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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, February eighth, twenty twenty four, and we

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Speaker 2: are now seventy seven days away from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans. Oh I already said that. Welcome in everybody.

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Speaker 2: Glad you're with us, Little black Rifle coffee. Get us

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Speaker 2: ready to go today and talk a little bit more draft.

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Speaker 2: I might just be a little bit shaken up because

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Speaker 2: of an article I read this morning on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 2: dot Com that this defensive coordinator search is going to

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Speaker 2: happen into next week, could could happen into next week.

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Speaker 2: Nick Harris wrote that article.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, front office is willing to expand it into next week.

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Speaker 3: They are conducting another interview this morning with New York

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Speaker 3: Jets safeties coach Mark kwand Manuel So And I don't

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Speaker 3: expect that to be the last name thrown into the mix. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a foreign wide search. I know some people

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, we're happy that it's starting to expand and

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Speaker 3: that it's it's a thorough look through. And then there's

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Speaker 3: some others that are like, ah, there's no plan after

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Speaker 3: dan Quinn left, how could they? So, you know, you

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Speaker 3: get both sides of the coins with this fan base.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know if you can say there's no

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Speaker 2: plan just because the search is taking longer. They may

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Speaker 2: go with whoever we thought where they were going to

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Speaker 2: go with. I know my pick would be Mike Zimmer.

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Speaker 2: I think they still could go with Mike Zimmer. But

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Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with expanding a search and taking a

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Speaker 2: look at other candidates, because the only way you get

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Speaker 2: bit by that is if you get a coordinator candidate

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Speaker 2: taken by another team. Most of the teams that have

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Speaker 2: new stabs or exchanging stabs have already come to that conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, And then you look at open coordinator spots.

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Speaker 3: As you said, it's it's not as open as it

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Speaker 3: maybe would have been two three weeks ago had Quinn

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Speaker 3: there's necessarily a race against any team. You look at

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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks are trying to put together defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: and Aiden Dirty is interviewing for that spot as well,

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Speaker 3: so that's definitely wanted to keep an eye on. I

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Speaker 3: know Aiden Dirty had a strong interview this week with

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Speaker 3: those are the top two candidates. I would put in

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Speaker 3: one A one B type type roles right now.

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Speaker 4: What did you guys think about the is it? I

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Speaker 4: don't want to mispronounce his Manuel Mark one?

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Speaker 5: Manuel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, rock one, you got it? Manuel, okay, defensive.

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Speaker 4: Coach, yes, yes, yes. What did you think about him

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Speaker 4: being interviewed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a it's a step towards the

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Speaker 3: front office looking at young assistants. You know, he played

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Speaker 3: so there's a little bit of a connection there. He

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Speaker 5: It would be an interesting route.

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Speaker 3: I don't know enough about his scheme, about his coaching

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Speaker 2: Okay checking just because Isaiah standback on Talking Cowboys earlier

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Speaker 2: this week, threw out a name and it kind of

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Speaker 2: that I think will pop up in this former defensive

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Speaker 2: the two thousands and had a solid career here in

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Speaker 2: who we've talked about a couple of times on this show.

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Speaker 2: But since it is the Draft show, I want to

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Speaker 2: spend this time, and of course we'll have Bobby, Brian

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Speaker 2: do some tell me more some scouting reports, and I

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Speaker 2: want it to be your favorite watch this week. Isaiah

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Speaker 2: Wrong show, Yeah, wrong show, Isaiah Aisha. I want you

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Speaker 4: Man, that's hard. I'm gonna go with my fresh eyes.

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Speaker 4: I Nazir Stackhouse, Georgia inside Lineman.

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Speaker 2: He that's a great name for an interior defensive it is.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of it's kind of it's

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Speaker 4: kind of different. But uh yeah, I've been. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at his play and I was looking

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Speaker 4: at some of the things he used. Cap I wrote

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Speaker 4: down he can knock a guy back on one on ones,

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Speaker 4: Because that's something that I'm noticing from some of the

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Speaker 4: but can they do it consistently? Some of them cannot

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Speaker 4: This guy can do it consistently. He displays a lot

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Speaker 4: of patience as a run defender. He doesn't get too high,

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Speaker 4: he drive and extends his arms. He takes on double

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Speaker 4: that allows him to redirect the defender to their doom.

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Speaker 4: Is what I said. The overall movement given his size,

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Speaker 4: is nice, especially with his play strength. They challenged him

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Speaker 4: filled in very well for with those big Those are

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Speaker 4: He stood out to me. I know we're looking at

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Speaker 4: you know, people don't want to talk about inside d

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. Is he in the draft as your stackhouse,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find. I think he's in the twenty

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Speaker 4: He went back.

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Speaker 2: I think he went But here's the thing. The article

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Speaker 2: six Bulldogs tapped his top prospects for the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: That's okay, Okay, I can okay.

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Speaker 2: It's a good eye though.

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Speaker 3: Just getting prep prep ready for next year. You're welcome

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Speaker 3: draft fans ahead of the game.

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Speaker 4: Okay. I will point out a guy that interests me,

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Speaker 4: but he's he's he's very much so wild card. Okay,

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Speaker 4: hear me out. Eric Gentry, inside linebacker USC.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely coming out.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's like a draft the playing linebacker six

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Speaker 2: Insane.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy and you can see it when he's in coverage.

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Speaker 4: This is a guy that I think could thrive being

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Speaker 4: Because his length, he can cover so much ground quickly.

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Speaker 4: He's athletic, he's still improving his run fits, but he

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Speaker 4: allows him to chase down people in pursuit. He did

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Speaker 4: The only thing that people might worry about again is

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Speaker 4: not a big line. He's not a big physical lineback,

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Speaker 4: hold on, I got it down here, am I bad?

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Speaker 4: Let me see.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to see how white he was to

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Speaker 4: It varies with these guys, so I always, I always

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Speaker 4: So he's a little so he Yeah, so I'm sure

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Speaker 4: is still developing as far as just consistently with his

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Speaker 4: he's gonna take it out the air. He also had

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Speaker 2: I've already started him just because of the seven foot

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Speaker 2: one wingspan. Got that that's got me interested already. Crazy

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Speaker 2: so he's got like a slight grin on your face.

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Speaker 2: So whoever you're about to talk about, I know you're pumped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just excited about him because it's a guy

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Speaker 3: that I know pretty well, going back to his high

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Speaker 3: Super Baby, Yes, super Sintex do y'all have a guess

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Speaker 3: a Temple High School guys or y'all y'all didn't go

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Speaker 2: No, honestly, I haven't even looked at yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, this guy caught my eye at the at the

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Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. I've known about him for a while, for

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Speaker 3: gosh going on five years now. Tight end Jared Wiley

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Speaker 3: more no's. It played at Temple High School alongside Quinton Johnston,

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Speaker 3: who's a first round pick for the Chargers last year

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Speaker 3: and played as a first round pick this past season.

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Speaker 3: Jared Wiley initially went to Texas and then Quinton Johnston

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Speaker 3: went to TCU. Jared Wiley played two seasons at Texas,

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Speaker 3: didn't get a lot of time on the field, hadn't

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Speaker 5: On both teams. He was making plays.

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Speaker 3: He's physical in his route running, he's able to get

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Speaker 5: Like what he's done in run blocking as well.

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Speaker 3: I think this is an all around tight end that

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Speaker 2: Experienced guy twelve games, forty seven catches last year, five

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Speaker 2: So along with those forty seven catches, he had eight scores.

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Speaker 2: And this is probably the most notable stat that I'm

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Speaker 2: with the Cowboys. You need a reliable tight end, you

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Speaker 2: And it seems like Jared Wiley is there with as

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Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say so.

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Speaker 3: The way offenses have been able to produce in the

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Speaker 2: You like him or Sanders more.

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Speaker 3: I love Sanders. It's gonna be Sanders for me. But

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Speaker 2: Out of Texas through the roof. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Correct, His athleticism is through the roof, and you look

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Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, as a defensive end. That was

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you mentioned the injuries, a tight end

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Speaker 3: I know this is kind of looking into retrospective a

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Speaker 3: and that run didn't happen until I guess thirty five

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Speaker 2: The board, and then a lot of teams I think

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Speaker 2: But I think I agree with you because we were

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Speaker 2: Then boom, boom boom. They all kind of went off

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And is that more speaking towards the value of

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've run that draft back ten more times,

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Speaker 4: I think people really value the position. I think it

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Speaker 4: They had a consistent tight end, they could run twelve

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Speaker 4: it was surprising, but we were ready for it though.

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Speaker 4: I felt we were ready for last year when it happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing, like you said, it values the

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Speaker 2: If they ran that back today, Sam Reporter would be higher.

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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to know what gms think about how

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Speaker 4: We talked about this though, is the flip of everybody

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Speaker 4: But yo, like, we're definitely seeing that these more athletic

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Speaker 4: You need a guy that has some yak ability, can

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Speaker 4: I think it's so much easier to key in on

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Speaker 2: It has changed. And I mean, look at the four

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Speaker 2: So with all that being said, having a good athletic,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the Cowboys are really in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not fergus definitely not. This is more of

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Speaker 3: a large scope view of the tight end position.

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Speaker 2: That's the beauty of this show. So we don't always

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Speaker 2: have to talk Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I do want to ask y'all though, like, well, I mean,

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Speaker 4: are they I mean, we're saying they're not. But Jake

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Speaker 4: Ferguson is the only guy they gave you anything consistently.

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Speaker 4: You're betting on Schoolmaker developing more as a receiver getting

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Speaker 4: on it. We don't know what's gonna happen with Hindershot

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Speaker 4: because up and down year from here. John Stevens, who

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Speaker 4: is somebody that I think he could have used coming

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Speaker 4: back from the ACL, don't know what he's gonna be

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Speaker 4: fully ready to insert himself. I mean, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 4: like we could say, Okay, they're not going to touch

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Speaker 4: tight end, But at the same time, what do you

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Speaker 4: have really depth wise that's proven at this point, and

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Speaker 4: I know they may not touch it as early as

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Speaker 4: you know, second round or something like that. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, like day three, we can't guarante, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we can't guarantee that Schoolmaker is going to become a

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Speaker 4: viable pass option.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me if there's quite a bit of

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Speaker 3: effort put into the undrafted free agent market for tight end.

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Speaker 3: I'd like that to just the number of tight the

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Speaker 3: number of draft picks that the Cowboys have going into

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Speaker 3: this year. I'd be surprised if it's a tight end.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it's off the table. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a good point.

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Speaker 4: I got a guy I don't know if he's gonna

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Speaker 4: be undrafted. I don't want to put that evil on him,

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Speaker 4: Ricky Bobby. But at the same time, his name is

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Speaker 4: Tanner McLachlin, tight end out of Arizona. He's an FSU

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Speaker 4: transfer wide receiver converted tight end. He had the most

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Speaker 4: receptions at Arizona even he surpassed Gronkowski there. Very reliable target,

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Speaker 4: absolutely absolutely. He has seventy six receptions all time and

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Speaker 4: that's the most in Arizona. I appreciate his speed up

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Speaker 4: the seams, It's one thing that I notice is that

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Speaker 4: he has that you can see that he does have

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Speaker 4: some former receiver to him. He's a very willing blocker.

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Speaker 4: I mean when you go look at him like, it's

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Speaker 4: not always perfect, don't get me wrong, but the effort

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Speaker 4: in blocking is there, and that means he's coachable and

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Speaker 4: I like that about him. He really works for his

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Speaker 4: QB as well. I mean you see his QB scrambling

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Speaker 4: and things like that. He's looking to get open for

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Speaker 4: his quarterback. And also too, he snatches the ball out

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Speaker 4: of the air as well, which is to me, it's

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Speaker 4: kind of speaks to some of his receiver background. He

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Speaker 4: has fluid hips, although you can tell he's still learning

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Speaker 4: how to work angles as a tight end. Again, kind

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Speaker 4: of gives me maybe later later round guy, maybe undrafted

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Speaker 4: guy that has such has a lot of things to

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Speaker 4: work upon. And he's also he got some wiggle to

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Speaker 4: him also in the open field. He has some yackability,

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Speaker 4: can do some things, but he's a hurtler, like a

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Speaker 4: guy we got on this team right now. He do

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Speaker 4: not like his lesbia taken out like that, but I

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Speaker 4: just I just appreciate the player. Like watching him, I

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Speaker 4: watched about three games from him, and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is a solid tight end that can develop into

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Speaker 4: something good. But he also too can be a reliable

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Speaker 4: receiving option for you, I think, right away, and help

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Speaker 4: you in the in the passing game. So yeah, Tanner

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Speaker 4: McLachlan tight end out of Arizona, is someone that maybe

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Speaker 4: might be somebody.

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Speaker 5: I like it. He's also Canadian Lethbridge, Alberta.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Canadian, I like it.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 4: What is Fournite? What's the premise anyway.

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Speaker 2: from Lane and he says, if the Cowboys were to

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Speaker 2: double dip at a position, which one do you feel

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Speaker 2: like is most likely? And he listed a couple. He said,

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Speaker 2: offensive linebackers, safety or other, but it could be really

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Speaker 2: whatever position you want.

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Speaker 4: You said you're gonna cheat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of why I wanted you to go first.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, I think you're gonna I think you might lose

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Speaker 4: more guys than what you think on the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: Okay to free agency, so I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 2: The end, Wow, going and picking up multiple edge rushers.

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm listen, I'm going out on a limb.

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Speaker 4: But I just do think that you have quite a

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Speaker 2: Depends on if you gate Dornce back. Dante's probably already

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Speaker 2: got a place in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at who else is there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, DT is wise, I mean, Neville Gallimore is

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Speaker 4: a guy. Chauncey's still here. He's still gonna be here

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Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. Obviously you have Micah, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Hankins, Jonathan Hankins. D law is still He's still here,

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Speaker 4: but he's he is getting older and you need to

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Speaker 4: be able to help him, you know, stay fresh throughout

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Speaker 4: the season. I could I could see it.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I could see it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I like it.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing it's.

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Speaker 2: A little like out of the grand scope. I think

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Speaker 2: the easy answers here are the ones that he answered

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Speaker 2: is offensive line, linebacker, safety. But if you're talking about

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Speaker 2: it under the radar, double dip. That's definitely a possibility. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was initially thought I was gonna cheat. But

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Speaker 3: if he said offensive line, I'm saying offensive line. The

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Speaker 3: reason I thought I was cheating is like tackle, guard,

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Speaker 3: be specific, but not I think they take two offensive

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Speaker 3: linemen in this draft. I mean, we've talked about tackle

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Speaker 3: getting that in the first round, or center. I think

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Speaker 3: whichever one you don't get, you have to get at

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Speaker 3: some point during the draft. It would shock me, shock

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Speaker 3: me if there's not too offensive linemen in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's say we are being specific. You're splitting him

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Speaker 2: into three spots, center, guard, tackle, Which one do you

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Speaker 2: feel like would be most likely to double dip going

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Speaker 2: into this draft?

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Speaker 5: Probably tackle, tackle, Yeah, probably, just.

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Speaker 2: Because of the value there in the first round and

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Speaker 2: then you pick up one later to try and develop.

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Speaker 3: Well that and also the current depth of the of

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Speaker 3: the team. You look at the center options that could

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Speaker 3: work for the Dallas Cowboys if Tyler Biattis is not

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Speaker 3: in the building anymore, you look at the tackle options

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Speaker 3: off Tyron Smith is not in the building anymore. I

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Speaker 3: think you're a little bit more thin at tackle in

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Speaker 3: that scenario.

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Speaker 2: Who's your tackle, right now your left tackle right now

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Speaker 2: if Tyron Smith does not come back, because Tyrone is

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Speaker 2: an unrestricted free agent. Huw, mydoga is an unrestricted free agent.

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Speaker 2: Who's your left tackle?

651
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: Probably either Awesome Richard's you got, Matt Will Let's go,

652
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: you got, Yeah, Tyler Smith?

653
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: I think I think Tyler Smith is my left tackle. Yeah,

654
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: that's probably TJFT. Yeah yeah, stumbling mercy and that's what it's.

655
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: But that's another thing that's frustrating again is that we

656
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: don't know nothing about Awesome. Yeah, Like it's very limited

657
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: in what we were able to see from him to

658
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: even be able to do. You was like, do you

659
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: look like uncomfortable saying his name just now? So not

660
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: just put you in a tough spot. But I agree

661
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: with you to your point about some undrafted free agents

662
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Some of this this center class

663
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: is kind of deep, man like to where I think

664
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 4: maybe some guys might be available outside of there. Do

665
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: you think so you think everybody's gonna gravel?

666
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: You look at a couple of centers that I think

667
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: we saw throughout the All Star Game week, Hunter Nors

668
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: that out of Penn State. I know those guy that

669
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: me and kind of came together on You'll get Tanner

670
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: Borderlini out of Wisconsin. That's probably a Day three, late

671
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: Day three type guy Matt Lee out of Miami. So

672
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: there's there's gonna be some options later in the draft.

673
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: I think if you really want one of these top

674
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: who centers, though, you gotta get him early, first round.

675
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 5: Or second round.

676
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: So that's the second question on Twitter on the twenty

677
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: A Deal says if the Cowboys took offensive tackle early

678
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: centers that you would consider worthy of replacing a Tyler

679
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: Biattish at center if you waited till the later round.

680
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you're talking about starting caliber right

681
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: this second, I think it would have to be a second,

682
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: third round, maybe a fourth. That's what Tyler Biottish was

683
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: and he was immediately a starter. So second, third, fourth

684
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: round prospects at center that you would trust to come

685
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: in and be ready.

686
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: You look at Zach Frasier out of West Virginia. Dane

687
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: Brugler talked about him pretty highly whenever he was in here,

688
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: talking about how he broke his leg on a late

689
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: drive for West Virginia and instead of taking the injury

690
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: time out in affording or costing West Virginia timeout in

691
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: that late game scenario, he's crawling off the field with

692
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: a broken leg and he gets off and his recovery's

693
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: actually gone really well. He was at Senior Bowl being

694
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: able to kind of work through some things. He wasn't

695
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: on in team drills or anything, but just the fact

696
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: that he was out there and able to show that

697
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: he actually can walk with two legs was pretty pretty impressive.

698
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: And he's he's he's a maler as well. In the middle.

699
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: You'll get bow Limmer out of Arkansas. That was a

700
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: guy I talked about a little bit coming out of

701
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl as well. We've talked about Cedric van prank

702
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: Granger out of Georgia on this show as well. I

703
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: think there's some I think there are some guys, but

704
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: it just kind of depends on what type of guy

705
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: that they bring in. I think they would need a

706
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: run stopper. You look at bow Limmer here right here

707
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: in the middle for Arkansas in this film shout outs

708
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: Chris Beam in the back, but just being able to

709
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: kind of identify where these holes can open up in

710
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: the middle. But I think it's most important to find

711
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: a center that can run block and you see what

712
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: he does here in this run blocking, being able to

713
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: pave the middle of the defense right there and create

714
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: some some short yardage gains. But I think that's probably

715
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: what you missed with Tyler Biottish at times last year

716
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: and being able to pull in those kind of scenarios.

717
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: But if you can bring in a run block run

718
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: block first center, I think you have a guy that

719
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: can potentially start day one.

720
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. I well, first, before we get there, did you

721
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: like some of the things he saw you saw from

722
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: Dominic Pooney playing center at the Senior Bowl.

723
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't get to see him a whole lot.

724
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: But he's a big guy. I will say he's a big,

725
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: big guy, and he's got a lot of positional flex

726
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: he worked at many different positions in mobile. So we've

727
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: talked about a lot of these guys that are center hybrids,

728
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: you know. We've talked about Graham Barton, We've talked about

729
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson. I think there's probably a need to

730
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: be able to find a guy who can be able

731
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: to focus on that run blocking in the interior. Yeah,

732
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: and has a little bit more of those knacks. Not

733
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: to say like don't draft Graham Barton's I'm not saying

734
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: that at all, but I want to be able to

735
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: solidify a run blocker in the middle. I don't necessarily

736
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: want to pass protector first.

737
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a guy. Saw him at the Shrine

738
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: Bowl this year, Barnacles. I need to write down. I

739
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: didn't write down to school. My bad. I was just

740
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: taking notes Dylan.

741
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 5: Mcmannon North Carolina State.

742
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: Yes, North Carolina State. So you talk about, you know, okay,

743
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: maybe this guy will in some of the later rounds.

744
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: He has a good movement and a strong anchor. You

745
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: notice it in drills, crazy vertical. So he's strong out

746
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 4: of his stands, very strong out of his stance. So

747
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: you talk about the run blocking. You wanted to get

748
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: up on you guys. He's played all across the line,

749
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: but I think he is a center. That's where I

750
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: felt like he thrived the most when I saw him.

751
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: The hand, the hand technique is there. He's not afraid

752
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: to wrestle and to counter. He has He has consistent

753
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: good hand placement as well, So again you're looking for

754
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 4: the technique. Like you just mentioned, he knows how to

755
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: play this position. He can climb up the field quickly

756
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: and he can take on angles. I like his motor

757
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: and he can finish at the second level as well.

758
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: I do think that this is a gentleman that people

759
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: will pay attention to in the later rounds. And he

760
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: showed some good things during the Shrine Bowl, but also

761
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: during the practices as well. Yeah, he's real strong. That's

762
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: a center for you. So we'll keep an eye on

763
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: him maybe for the later rounds.

764
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: I like it all right. This question comes from Bob.

765
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: He said, what of the right tackles could you see

766
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: moving over to left side in the NFL? Out of

767
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: this tackle class? A lot of offensive line questions too,

768
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: talk about it.

769
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll jump out with two right right off

770
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: the bat. You look at Talisi Fuaga out of Oregon State.

771
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of the appeal is that

772
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: he could be a left tackle option. Played right tackle

773
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: mostly at the Oregon State and now he's starting to

774
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: sneak into top ten pick territory potentially even I've seen

775
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: mox this week that have him above Joe alt out

776
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: of Notre Dame. Wow, which is quite wild. Not to

777
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: say it's untrue, but just wild. Tyler Gutting out of

778
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: Oklahoma played right tackle for them, but can play left tackle.

779
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: Got a lot of reps at left tackle during the

780
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl as well, so that's a guy that could

781
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: swing around. I think there's whenever you look at the

782
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: tackle position and you look at the development with a

783
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: lot of these guys. You see Tyler Guitton here taking

784
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: some right tackle snaps. But whatever, you look at the

785
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: tackle position, the development, and what they can do at

786
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: this stage of their career, it's not necessarily a situation

787
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: where if they haven't played left tackle their entire life,

788
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: that they can't do it. Especially with the offensive line

789
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: development that we've seen in Dallas, you know, being able

790
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: to bring a guy that is mainly focused in at

791
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: right tackle, it doesn't take that long to be able

792
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: to work at left. I think the only time you

793
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: would run into an issue where that couldn't happen is

794
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: if there's mobility concerns, And if there's mobility concerns, you

795
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: probably don't want.

796
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: To that tackle anymore.

797
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 3: So I'm not really concerned about any guy who would

798
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: have a ton of right tackle experience at this stage

799
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: of his career twenty two to twenty three years old

800
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: and coming in as a left tackle.

801
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: I love how every time the film starts rolling in

802
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: the studio. We've got three monitors in here now, where

803
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: we used to only have the one and the three

804
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: monitors or all have the highlights, and we're all such

805
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: film junkies that we just get locked in on the

806
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: film and we're like looking for hand placement and technique

807
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: and we're trying to move around and see what Tyler

808
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: Guiden's doing here to win this rep and things like that.

809
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: Or but I will say, is it important we again

810
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: we've talked about this. We haven't really talked about right

811
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: tackle like that, where's your death of right tackle?

812
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: I'll wait exacts the same thing. It's the same tackle

813
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: in general, and that that's kind of like what I'm speaking.

814
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the flexibility is gonna matter because you at

815
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: the very least you need a suitable swing to be

816
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: able to come in if necessary. So I guess right

817
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 4: tackle is not something that a lot of people are

818
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: just thinking, like you will be looking at but you

819
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: should be maybe looking at it. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna

820
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: try to check out some of the later round guys

821
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 4: and see if we can find some guys with's how

822
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: the draft is set up for the Cowboys. There's some

823
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: guys to stand up a.

824
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Couple of interesting later round guys that I've seen over

825
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: the course the last couple of weeks. You'll get Ethan

826
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: Driscoll out of Marshall, big guy, every bit of six six.

827
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't have his official listing, but he's he was

828
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: one of the taller tackle prospects and he moves really well.

829
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that he kind of lacks

830
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: is experience and dealing with crafty pass rushers.

831
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: You can tell that Marshall. Gosh, they're in the sun

832
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: Belt now, aren't they?

833
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes, they are.

834
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: Marshall in the Sun Belt being able to deal with

835
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: a lot of power guys that come off that edge.

836
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: And he was lining up against more athletic guys like

837
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot too out of UCLA during Senior Bowl. So

838
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: just kind of being to account for that. I think

839
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: that's why he probably be a later round guy. And

840
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: you look at Christian Jones out of Texas, you look

841
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: at experience. Gosh, forty five games plus of experience at

842
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: Texas for Christian Jones working at right tackle. He got

843
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of work at left tackle before Kelvin

844
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: Banks came into the equation, but being able to work

845
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: at right tackle really really helped him as well. And

846
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: I think Beams, yeah, cooking up some film here on

847
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: Christian Jones, but you see his power, you see the

848
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: experience and just being able to come out of that

849
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: set as natural as he does. That's what makes Christian

850
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: Jones really impressive as a tackle prospect. I think he's

851
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: a high floor guy in a low ceiling. You know

852
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: what you're going to get out of him, and I

853
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: think he is a guy that could contribute at the

854
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: NFL level. I think whatever team he lands on, he

855
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: lands on an NFL roster, will he started day one?

856
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: Probably not, But I think he's definitely a guy you

857
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: would love to have in your room as a depth option.

858
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: You've seen what tackle depth can be so important towards

859
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: in the NFL in these days. You know those times

860
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: early in the season where too Mey Doga was a

861
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: reliable depth option. I think once you got to the

862
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: Miya in game, he probably exhausted that a little bit.

863
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: But to be able to have a guy that you

864
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: can trust in those depth options, I think Christian Jones

865
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: is one of them.

866
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: It's almost like the same scouting report we were giving

867
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: Austome Richards last year out of North Carolina. High floor,

868
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: low ceiling guy. You kind of know what you get

869
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: depth as he develops into the league. And like I

870
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: used to have said, that's part of the frustration with

871
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: Richards is that you thought it was a high floor.

872
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: So you want to see that development. You haven't necessarily

873
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: seen it yet. All Right. This question comes from Eric.

874
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: He says, outside of the top three wide receivers Marvin

875
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior Ohio State, Malik Neighbors LSU, and then Romeo

876
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 2: Dounja from Washington, anybody slips to twenty four that would

877
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: interest you outside of those three guys, would you take

878
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: a pick of twenty four at one of these wide

879
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 2: receivers in a Ced Lamb scenario, Even though I would

880
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: argue ceede. Lamb was a part of the Big three

881
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: back in twenty.

882
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: Twenty, I don't think there's one you take at twenty

883
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: four If it's one of those Brian Thomas Junior, I'll

884
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: throw that nose out there, Yeah, Lsu, Brian Thomas Junior.

885
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: I think that's one that you probably toy with the

886
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: idea of. But you look at the needs on this

887
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: team and you look at where they need to beef

888
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: up certain areas. I just I struggle with taking a

889
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: wide receiver in the first round. They need one at

890
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: some point, though, And that's why when we were throwing

891
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 3: out those theoreticals on or hypotheticals on Tuesday, I kind

892
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: of inserted Brendan Rice in that equation just because it

893
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if they took a gamble on one

894
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: in the third round. I think there's going to be

895
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: a run of receivers in the third round. If you

896
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: want to get in on one that can be productive early.

897
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: I think that's when you need to take one. But

898
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: at twenty four I struggle with taking anybody outside of

899
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: those top four, and I would include Brian Thomas Junior

900
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: in that equation. But I think there's some late first

901
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: round guys that are really fun. Troy Franklin out of Oregon, Yeah,

902
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: Keyon Coleman out of Florida State. So there's there's definitely

903
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: some interesting options. But with as deep as this receiver

904
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: class is, in my opinion, you want to wait till

905
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: the third round.

906
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, it's very deep. It's a lot of

907
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: guys that interest you. I have to have not gotten

908
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: a chance to talk about him much, But I like

909
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: the gentleman out of A and M. A night is

910
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: it in a nice A nice Smith, A nice smith.

911
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: He stood out to me when I watched him the

912
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: other night.

913
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: Let me get to his He is so shifty. Yes,

914
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he is electric with the ball in

915
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: his hands. We're talking about yards after the catch it returns.

916
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean he is lightning in a bottle fast. And

917
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: I think there were some like there were some questions

918
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: with Texas A and M fans just throughout the years

919
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: of certain parts of his game. The I think ball tracking.

920
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean, he has the speed to be a deep threat,

921
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: but he wasn't very good at tracking the ball, yes,

922
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: to make it happen. And then he wasn't a contested

923
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: catch guy. He wasn't going to go up and make

924
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: a grab. So those are the kind of things with

925
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: Smith specifically out of A and M. That man, he's

926
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: got all these tools, He's got all these things, but

927
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: if he can't catch the ball and contested scenarios, then

928
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: it's going to hurt children.

929
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: I wonder what I mean. I do think it depends

930
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 4: on your scheme and what you're trying to do. Because

931
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 4: he's thirsty. He's good, his short area of quickness is good.

932
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 4: But he's he's trustworthy and he's versatile, but he's creative

933
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 4: in his are out running as well. He's tough also

934
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: too for his size. I mean he'll get out there

935
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: and block, he'll get out there and willingly do some things.

936
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: So to your point about the contest to catch thing,

937
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well, is that something that we can

938
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 4: work on? Is that something we can add at these don't.

939
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: Put them in that situation then all of a sudden

940
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: he's a weapon.

941
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 6: Yeah.

942
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: I think some of the running back experiences that he

943
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: has gives him a good vision in the open field

944
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: and allows him to be elusive. But it's interesting because

945
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 4: last year we talked about there weren't that many small guys.

946
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: There were more small guys last year. This year that's

947
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: like far and fewer in between as far as the

948
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: size goes. So I do wonder their approach this year

949
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 4: where you have more of the traditional looking wide receivers,

950
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: what happens with some of the smaller guys or do

951
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: people really just still look at like, okay, a tankdale

952
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 4: is a flower. Some of these guys were still able

953
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: to be successful. Does that change some of the ideology

954
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: behind if they're gonna take some of these smaller guys

955
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: or not, or is it gonna go right back to

956
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: normal and some of these little guys are gonna fall.

957
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: I think it's more of an overall view of the

958
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: receiver position than the guys that you've been able to

959
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: hit on as far as early picks and the guys

960
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: you haven't been able to hit on. I think there's

961
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: probably some truth to that, But the way the receiver

962
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: position is trending in the last three drafts and going forward,

963
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: a receiver is just going to be deep for big receivers,

964
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: traditional receivers that six one sixty two type feel, and

965
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: then the small receiver sub six foot I think you

966
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: have I think you have depth at all three of

967
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: those spots this year. I think there's maybe more of

968
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: a lack of big body guys, but I don't think

969
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: there would be a change of philosophy.

970
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: No one Smith specifically, he's shorter than Tank Dell. He's

971
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: five foot nine. Tank Dell was five to ten. I mean,

972
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: what was Dell's at the combine? Actually, I take it back.

973
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: Dell's at the combine was five eight and three eights,

974
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: so he's real, real small. Smith is one ninety at

975
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: least that's what it was measured at at the Senior Bowl,

976
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: So h one ninety. In terms of weight, he's about

977
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: thirty pounds heavier than what Tank Dell was, and he

978
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: might be a smitch and taller, but not by a lot.

979
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: So I think it depends on maybe the weaponry and

980
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: what they bring from a skill set standpoint more than anything.

981
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: I think the tale of the tale is that you

982
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: can be a small receiver and have success in the NFL.

983
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: We've seen it this year. Zay Flowers had a great year.

984
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: You had Tank Dell who had a phenomenal rookie campaign.

985
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: You've got guys that you can rely on that are

986
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit smaller. All right, let's take our

987
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: second break. When we come back, I want to talk

988
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: about the safety position. There's a lot of talk about

989
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator search and what's going on in Dallas,

990
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: and of course with dan Quinn's departure, so is maybe

991
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: the departure of a philosophy around the safety position. We

992
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: will talk about that now. It could affect the NFL

993
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,920
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Speaker 2: And we haven't really talked about the safety position a

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Speaker 2: whole lot on this show just yet. We've mentioned a

1052
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: couple names here and there, mostly with tell me more

1053
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: in a couple of conversations, but with the way that

1054
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Speaker 2: Dan Quinn utilized safeties when he first arrived in Dallas

1055
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and revolutionized what this franchise viewed

1056
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: the safety position as. And say what you want about

1057
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three season, A couple guys had some

1058
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: down years. I thought Donovan Wilson was very good this year.

1059
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: Malie Cooker and jay Ron Kurse probably had their lowest

1060
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: year as a Cowboy. It wasn't an awful year from

1061
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: the safety group, but maybe under the radar for the

1062
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: most part. Does that change the way you look at

1063
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: the safety position in the NFL draft now that dan

1064
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Quinn is gone going into twenty twenty four, because this

1065
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: is a franchise that has never really valued that position

1066
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: until Quinn came in and used it the right way.

1067
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Speaker 5: I think that's tough to answer without a coordinator in

1068
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: the building.

1069
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: You look at what the safeties have brought since dan

1070
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: Quinn has been here, but you also look at what

1071
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: that sacrifices at times, and maybe it's a you know,

1072
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: having those three safeties on the field at all times,

1073
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: it's maybe lacks a little size in some areas and

1074
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: you take away. But I think that's tough to answer

1075
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: without a coordinator in the room.

1076
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Let's say, based off of the coordinator candidates that you've

1077
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: seen and that you've known enough about the way that

1078
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: they run their defense, Yeah, who would probably fit the

1079
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: safety position the best? Who would?

1080
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at New York Jets safeties coach

1081
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 3: markwan Manuel pretty good one, right, and you look at

1082
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: what he brought from Quinn's philosophy as a defensive coordinator

1083
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, it's very similar to what Quinn ran.

1084
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: I think there's a little bit of.

1085
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: Unfair kind of penning onto Aiden Dirty as far as

1086
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: if he was to take the defensive coordinator job, this

1087
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: scheme remains the same, Everything remains the same. I don't

1088
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: think that's the case. I think there's more of an

1089
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: emphasis up front. There's a reason that he was a

1090
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: defensive line coach. He's been a linebackers coach. He's a

1091
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: front seven main guy. You look at Quinn, I mean

1092
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: he was his focus was in the secondary, and you

1093
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 3: look at all of his spawns in the coaching tree,

1094
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 3: those are all secondary guys as well. I think Aiden

1095
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: Dirty probably brings what that pass rush has been over

1096
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: the course of the last three years. Sure, Quinn's a

1097
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: big part of it. As well, but you look at

1098
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 3: what Dirty is accomplished. I mean, that's why this Seattle

1099
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 3: Seahawks want to interview him. That's why he's always brought

1100
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: up whenever defensive coordinator positions come open. I think, if

1101
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 3: you want an emphasis up front, you look at Aiden Dirty,

1102
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: you look at Mike Zimmer. If you want to stay

1103
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: in the secondary and be able to focus on things

1104
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: in the defensive backfield, then you maybe look at markwe

1105
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: Ma well, or you know some of the other candidates

1106
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: as well.

1107
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on For me, it depends on how

1108
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: you handle the linebacker position. Even so, because from this year,

1109
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: from this season, I mean, the reason why some of

1110
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 4: the safeties were doing linebacker stuff was just the lack

1111
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: of depth and linebacker and things like that. So sure,

1112
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: if that position, I think it allows your safeties to

1113
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: play a little bit more free in a sense. I

1114
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: also will say, I am really looking at Markue's bell

1115
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: and his usage moving forward, I would like to see

1116
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: him be a safety big dog. Sorry, I mean we've

1117
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: watched him in practices and stuff do safety things, and

1118
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: it seems like that's where he thrives at. I don't

1119
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 4: know if you and then also too, we have win

1120
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: on earlier. You got guys. You got guys in this

1121
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: room that I think you can get on the field

1122
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: and be able to play well. So I wonder if

1123
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: they even do touch the safety position at all. I

1124
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't mind it, but I just wonder if it's if

1125
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 4: they even feel like it's a need because you do

1126
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: have somewhat adequate depth there right now, which is something

1127
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 4: you haven't been able to say in a minute.

1128
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: And whenever they signed Marque's Bell after the twenty twenty

1129
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: two draft, one of the things that we said about

1130
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: him in terms of a comp was jay Ron Curse.

1131
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: He could do j Ron Curse things because of the size,

1132
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: because of the athleticism, and if he's playing linebacker, that

1133
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: proves that fact. And I think if they move him

1134
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: back and they put him in a similar role, he'd

1135
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: probably be more successful in what Curse was doing, maybe

1136
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: even more than what Curse was doing this past year.

1137
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say one thing. I mean, the Cowboys

1138
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: didn't run a crap ton of two high safety or

1139
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: split safety. Maybe you might see that difference come into

1140
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 4: play as far as having more of the coverage safeties

1141
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 4: out there, and then your guys closer to the line

1142
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. I do think that maybe a Donovan Wilson

1143
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: or somebody could benefit from being closer to the line

1144
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 4: of scrimmage consistently than doing a whole bunch in coverage

1145
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 4: as he was, especially this past year.

1146
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ran single high safety sixty six percent of

1147
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: the time. That was third most in the NFL, split

1148
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: safety thirty one percent of the time, And if it

1149
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: was third most in the NFL, it's third least in

1150
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: the NFL in terms of split safeties.

1151
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it wasn't first because of the

1152
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 3: injuries you had late in the season to Jonathan Hankins

1153
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 3: and then Gilmore in the Washington game, so they kind

1154
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: of had to revert back to safety looks at times.

1155
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: Right right, So yeah, I do think some of those

1156
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 4: gentlemen like a Jayne Thomas or Markue's Bell, some of

1157
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: those guys could benefit from, you know, you doing that

1158
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: a little bit more. And then we've also seen that

1159
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: it gives defense, it gives offensive trouble in the league,

1160
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 4: so let's try it.

1161
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of these prospects. Then, I

1162
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: think right up at the top of the list, you've

1163
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: got a couple of names that you've heard before. Kaylin Bullock, USC,

1164
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: Javon Bullard from Georgia, Tyler Nuban Minnesota, Cameron Kitchens from Miami.

1165
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: Those are all names that we've thought about. Anybody stick

1166
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: out to you out of that group that you like

1167
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: the most in terms of just the safety position, not

1168
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: necessarily talking about Cowboys fits, but just in general.

1169
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: I've talked about a couple of these guys on the

1170
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: show pretty in depth, and I'm going to go ahead

1171
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: and regurgitate those points. Camera Kitchens will start there. A

1172
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: hard hitting, rangey safety that could be trusted on that

1173
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 3: single high island. He ran a lot of that for

1174
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: for for Miami. If that's the need that you want

1175
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys, and I think that's a guy you

1176
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: could have behind Molly Cooker and he's but he brings

1177
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: that physicality that that Donovan Wilson has been able to

1178
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: be famous for here at Dallas and being able to

1179
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: lay a pop on somebody. Just go look at some

1180
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: Cameron Kitchens highlights and you're gonna be very excited with

1181
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: what you've seen. Yeah he was not there.

1182
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: But he was invited.

1183
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah he was invited, but he he runs a lot

1184
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: of BLOODZ packages too, and and he man he knows

1185
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: exactly where to come what hole to come down really aggressive,

1186
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: and I think that's maybe to a fault at times

1187
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: because he gives us some big things over the top,

1188
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: which I think would be perfect for a Dallas Cowboys

1189
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: defense right. Another guy I've talked about quite a bit

1190
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: is Tyler Nuban out of Minnesota. I've said it before,

1191
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: I think he's the best run defending safety in this class,

1192
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: elite run defender out of a third level, and he

1193
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 3: can play up to the line of scrimmage on early downs.

1194
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 5: He's really trusted.

1195
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I think coaches go out there

1196
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, you know what's to be happening on

1197
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: this early down situation. You have the freedom to go

1198
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: wherever you want on the field because he has that

1199
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: much trust in IQ to be able to let line

1200
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: up on the line of scrimmage identify early what's going on.

1201
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: And there were plays at Minnesota last year where it

1202
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: was first and ten beginning a drive on the twenty

1203
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: five yard line and teams were going to try to

1204
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: bait him with a play action and a really well

1205
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: designed play action and he identified it immediately and was

1206
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: able to drive back into coverage. And he's really impressive.

1207
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: I love Tyler Nuban. I think he's a guy that's

1208
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: gonna make a lot of money in the NFL.

1209
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Miami. I wanted to bring up that gentleman.

1210
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: Cameron Kitchen's a teammate, James Williams Strong safety sixty five,

1211
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifteen pounds. He stood out to me

1212
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: as well you talk about I think that's kind of

1213
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 4: embedded in them as far as the aggression, because Yo,

1214
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 4: he's chirpy too. He's in your face, going to let

1215
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 4: you know he's there all day as well. He seems

1216
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: like he takes pride in his tackling, like you mentioned

1217
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 4: about the other gentleman and making his presence felt. He

1218
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: has to. I think he has to sink his hips

1219
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 4: a little bit more in his back pedal and not

1220
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: play so tall because he is so tall. It's just difficult.

1221
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 4: But he can give your care. If you have a

1222
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 4: Russian QB and you think he thinks he'd about just

1223
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: be running around there free and stuff, He's gonna make

1224
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 4: him pay. He definitely is that that thumper that wants

1225
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: to come down here and let you know you're there.

1226
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: He has impressive range and burst and coverage and so

1227
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: he can cover a lot of grass. He attacks angles wide,

1228
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: but he has the recovery speed to get there. So

1229
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: you know, maybe there's some things he can work on

1230
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 4: in that regard. He can get square and take on

1231
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: on linemen and running backs. He's not afraid to, and

1232
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 4: he processes early in reps and that allows him to

1233
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 4: play free. That's something that stood out to me. I

1234
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: do think he has to do a little bit better

1235
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: job getting his depths at times and then also to

1236
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 4: he can overpursue like your guy talked about, But that's

1237
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: that aggression and you got to find a balance there

1238
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: with them and really learn how to balance his temperament

1239
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 4: because he is a hair on fire. I'm here, I'm

1240
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: about to let you know I'm here all day. Maybe

1241
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: you know, you get a coach that can balance that

1242
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 4: temperament and help him use it in a good way.

1243
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 4: But he stood out to me when I was watching kitchen,

1244
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: So that's funny. Yes, you brought him.

1245
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So instead of safety, James Williams, can I interest

1246
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: you in linebacker?

1247
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 5: James Williams somebody again.

1248
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: But I hear you.

1249
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: Though, because he has that intensity and he has that processing,

1250
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 4: quick reaction come downhill. I'm not afraid to take on

1251
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 4: an old line and I'm not afraid to take on

1252
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 4: a running back. I can do it. If a titand

1253
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 4: is gonna be out there, I'm gonna punch him too.

1254
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: Like I can see that. That's crazy, you said, Okay.

1255
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: Wor, it's a lot of linebacker reps at Senior Bowl.

1256
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: You look at how much Miami ran single high last

1257
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 3: year and how where they trusted James Williams in the

1258
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 3: second level at times. I think there's some versatility there

1259
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: with safety linebacker hybrid work.

1260
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: I love that. Oh well, I meant to say it's

1261
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: somebody's language. He ain't here.

1262
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: Whoever's in here may not love it as much. And

1263
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: I think the fans at home are probably like, no, please,

1264
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: no more linebacker safety hybrids. But he's he's built more

1265
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: for that than what Mark Eespell was. Mark e Spell

1266
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: is a true safety and they moved him the linebacker

1267
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: out of need, and he did a nice job, I thought,

1268
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: playing out a position, he did what he could and

1269
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: he wasn't great at linebacker, but he was doing what

1270
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: he could. All right, Before we get out of here,

1271
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: I want you to give me your pick for the

1272
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Who's winning it? Chiefs forty nine Ers. Hey.

1273
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: I grew up in Chapel Hill, Texas, which is ten

1274
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: minutes down the street from White House, Texas, where Patrick

1275
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: Mahomes grew up. So I'm taking the Chiefs all every

1276
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: single time.

1277
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: I refuse to pick the forty nine ers. Philly is

1278
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: our rival. The forty nine Ers are Nemesis at this point,

1279
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: absolutely not. I'm going with the Chiefs.

1280
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: I like the way you said that you should make

1281
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: it ahead.

1282
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: What does your brain show you though? Because my brain

1283
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: probably tells me something different from my heart. It's going

1284
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: in different directors.

1285
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: I just can't pick. Like one thing I have noticed

1286
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: about the playoffs and honestly ik him what the Chiefs

1287
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 4: are doing to what y'all don't don't start with me.

1288
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: What the Warriors did the last year, that stuff they

1289
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 4: won the championship where people didn't think they could do it.

1290
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: It gives me that vibe from Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh, y'all, you think this is his last ride?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Thought I was done? No, I don't I think that

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Speaker 4: they're continuing to figure things out. But a lot of

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Speaker 4: people did not think this team was going to be

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Speaker 4: here this year. I think they got a little chip

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Speaker 4: on their shoulder, but their experience, they're one of the

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Speaker 4: only teams that I feel like I've seen that experience

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Speaker 4: seems like it actually has mattered it definitely. It seems

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Speaker 4: like it actually has shown up in these games. And

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Speaker 4: so for me, I'm like, yeah, I think the forty

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Speaker 4: nine ers have a fantastic Rochester. They can get it done.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just not picking against these people because they

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Speaker 4: somehow figure it out. I hate it, hate it. I'm

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Speaker 4: sick of both of them. They throw up at both

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Speaker 4: of them, but they find a way to do it.

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Speaker 2: So Travis Kelcey's on our TV right now and he's

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Speaker 2: wearing an ALP and I don't one racing hat, So

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna win it. Give me the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: to win. I think I'm right there with you. Nick.

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Speaker 2: My head probably says, man, the forty nine ers are

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Speaker 2: stacked all the way across the board, but my heart says,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: I will throw up.

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Speaker 3: I've been a brock party fan on many shows. I

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Speaker 3: don't like the hate around brock person. It's done really well,

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Speaker 3: but I do think the Chiefs defense is going to

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Speaker 3: give him issues. I think that defensive unit is really strong.

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Speaker 4: That we can look forward to is that when teams

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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl, they typically separate.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, what the forty nine ers both of these

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Speaker 2: teams for the Super Bowl and twenty twenty oh.

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Speaker 4: I was going to ask you guys before we go

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Speaker 4: leave me alone? They figured it out?

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Speaker 2: Did they did?

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Speaker 4: They figured it out with a lot of teams don't.

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Speaker 4: But I do want to ask you, guys, with these

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Speaker 4: teams that are in the Super Bowl, will they have

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Speaker 4: coaches that are looking for other opportunities and stuff? And

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Speaker 4: do you think that's going to matter? Do you think

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Speaker 4: that maybe some of these gentlemen are people that people

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Speaker 4: look at after No, Yeah, it's a fascinating thought.

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Speaker 3: The chief defensive line coach has actually gotten a lot

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Speaker 3: of college love. He was in the mix for the

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Speaker 3: Michigan defensive coordinator job, which could be going to Wink

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Speaker 3: Martin Dale. Oddly enough, I think that's when you look

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Speaker 3: at Niners, I think there's going to be a guy

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Speaker 3: out of the Niners every year that ends up getting

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Speaker 3: a job somewhere. But there's not many open positions. I

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Speaker 3: think you would probably have to look at the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: or college opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I'm only asking for this Cowboys defensive coordinator position.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm asking because I'm like, it is going

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Speaker 4: to be late, but you're already late.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we said it at the beginning of the show.

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's hurting you by waiting and looking

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Speaker 2: at your candidates. There's not a whole lot of spots

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Speaker 2: open yet.

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Speaker 4: Tracking Okay, I just want to ask. I mean, hopefully

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Speaker 4: I'm not tamper.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that this tells you right now is

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Speaker 2: that they might like candidate, but they haven't gone that's

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Speaker 2: the one yet. They haven't they haven't been completely sold

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Speaker 2: on their guys. That's what this is telling you right now.

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Speaker 2: Does it mean that they don't like a Mike Zimmer,

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Speaker 2: Does it mean they don't like Ron Rivera? Does it

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Speaker 2: mean they don't like Adam Dirty? No, it doesn't mean that,

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Speaker 2: but it does mean that they want to at least

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Speaker 2: go and look at their options, possibly to see if

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Speaker 2: they have a guy that they fall in love with

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Speaker 2: and if not, they'll make a higher based off of

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Speaker 2: who's the best camp candidate. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Get it done. That's going to do it for us

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Speaker 2: here on the Draft Show. Enjoy your super Bowl weekend, everybody,

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Speaker 2: stay safe, don't drink and drive, make sure and drink

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Speaker 2: responsibly with Miller light throughout the weekend, and have a

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Speaker 2: great turn around and we'll be back on Tuesday. How

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Speaker 2: about that your sponsor's dream, Kyle, I know all right,

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Speaker 2: Chris Beam, you carrous Ayasha Morrison will have Brian, Zach

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Speaker 2: and Bobby back next week. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so

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Speaker 2: long from the Draft Show. We'll see you then.

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