WEBVTT - Full Court PRESS, Red Carpet Crash Outs, & Set Sleepovers 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:02.400 Welcome to desperately Devoted. 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.080 Join us as we explore the human experience through the 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.440 lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.600 I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm a versuon Tanny. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:12.280 Oh my gosh, Hi everybody. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.520 Hi. So this week we are shining our spotlight on 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.079 episode nine, Suspicious Minds Yes, named after the Elvis song 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.400 which aired on. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.040 December twelfth, two thousand and four. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.639 In true season one fashion, this episode is bursting with 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.280 twists and turns. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.840 And speaking of fashion, Gabrielle organizes a charity runway show 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.440 featuring all the housewives donning glamorous gowns lots to talk about. There, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.680 Susan finds out about Gabrielle's affair and confronts her. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.800 Lynette is trying to poach some high grade nanny as 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.880 she puts it and Breeze. Concern over Andrew's lack of 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.360 remorse for putting one needles elease in the hospital grows 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.800 and she is pissed, very much intended. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:03.560 We will get there. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.679 Oh, let's let's get into it. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:08.160 Hi. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.480 Hi you guys, Hi love seeing you. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.280 Okay, wait, I gotta ask anybody desperately devoted to anything 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:15.840 this week? 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:22.760 Well, my answer just sucks, but I have Sorry, no, 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.040 it does. Objectively, I'm the judge of it because it 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.720 has to do with me and my mouth. And I 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.680 got in VISI line this week. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.880 Wow, I've been there. You have I've been there? 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.600 Oh God, Okay to everyone listening and Andrea, who has 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.360 ever had in VISI line, they I did not feel 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.280 adequately warned. I'm going to be having this for the 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.880 next seven months. And I have all this crazy shit 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.000 on my teeth and it hurts when it's in, and 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.240 it hurts when it's not in, and it hurts to eat, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.360 and and it's it's really but I've been being desperately 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.160 devoted to my twenty two hours of wearing it a day. Wow, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.600 I supposedly need to fix my bite. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.560 Oh that's that's what you think. I mean. You are 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:13.280 you doing this? 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.000 Well, no, you're you're doing this to save your teeth, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:17.440 not just for like vanity. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.280 Oh I don't care that my teeth are crooked. I 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.359 would keep them crooked. I have just been told by 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.360 my dentist that I need to straighten them or else 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.280 my teeth will wear down and eventually I all need 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.120 veneers and I don't want veneers. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:28.519 Yeah. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.520 Wow, So you're desperately devoted to your invisi line. Well, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.160 I mean that's the way you got to be committed 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.800 to stuff like that. It's like going to the gym 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:35.959 or it doesn't. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.480 Work, I'm gone. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.560 I'm desperately devoted to go Greek. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.040 That is all I can eat with my invisil line. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.800 You're also desperately devoted, no, I you know, I was 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.720 like under the weather and I had a really high 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:54.200 fever and I just didn't have an appetite and the 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.560 only thing that I could get down was go Greek 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.360 plain yogurt and it's really good and I loved it. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.799 So how about you? Were you were you just really 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:03.640 devoted to anything? 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.000 I would say, yes. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.640 The thing that springs to the top of my mind 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.760 is my sweet rescue dog, Fig, who shares a name 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.240 with Terry's cat, which is Gosh. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.480 I know, I know, and she came to she came 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.720 to me and my husband with that name. But wow, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.280 how another way that we're connected. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.520 But but yes, so Fig unfortunately had heartworm, and for 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.440 those of you out there who know anything about heartworm, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.040 it is a terrible thing that dogs contract from mosquitoes, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.920 and the treatment is very involved and very very lengthy 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.840 and very costly. And anyway, after about four months of 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.960 just kind of going through the trenches with her, she 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.600 was declared heartworm free. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:47.080 Oh yeah, I'm devoted to Fig two. I kind of 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.200 want to I'm here in my bedroom and my Fig 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.160 is right over there on the bed, and I kind 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.840 of want to grab her, but she's anyway. So this 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.120 episode another huge one. I say that about all of them. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:02.560 It's a big one. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.440 Is a big one. Where do we begin? 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.080 I mean, I think we could begin at the very opening, 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.080 which I have to say, and I know we talk 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.560 about this all the time, all the ways that the 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:19.359 show was so cutting edge and edgy and provocative for 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.840 its time or for any time. But we start with 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:31.720 a peek into various stages of Gabriella's life and things 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.080 that she I forget what the phrasing was, was the 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:40.479 things that she learned or like how she basically how 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:45.520 she learned to wield power. But it starts with the 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:51.480 shot of young fifteen year old Gabriella Salsa's calves sitting 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.800 on the bed when her mom's boyfriend comes. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.760 To step dad. I think that if Mary Alice says, yeah, stepfather. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.440 Her stepfather, and then this, we don't hear exactly what 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.560 happens in this encounter, but I think we can use 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.040 our best judgment to guess and we say that this 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.840 spurred her deciding to move to New York to pursue modeling. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.320 Because he pays her a visit in the middle of 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:14.240 the night or something. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.839 Yeah, it was heavy. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.479 And then very quickly, I thought, seguede away from the 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.920 topic of her potentially being molested or being a victim 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.839 of sexual assault as a child into her learning that 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.200 sex is power and using it to kind of blackmail 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:37.919 the modeling agency boss to hire her, and then ultimately 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:44.120 having Carlos marry her, and then ultimately seducing John the gardener. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.920 And I just thought, Wow, this is an arresting opening 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:49.760 of an episode. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.200 Yeah, yeah, a lot said without anything being said. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.159 Yeah, yeah, really, it's so true, and it is. It's brief. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:58.520 You could kind of miss it. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.880 In fact, obviously, as we've said, rewatching it, you realize 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.800 so much you didn't catch the first go around. And 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.560 I definitely didn't pick up on that in any real 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.920 way the first time. I watched it when it aired 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.599 in real time all those years ago. But yeah, it 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.200 kind of does give us a It gives us a 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.680 lot more insight into who Gabby is and we need that, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.479 We really need that for her character. So you know, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.919 they didn't linger there by any stretch, but it is 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.320 a necessary bit of information to kind of provide us with. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.680 Yeah, and so then we had Gabby still being in 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:35.000 the hospital with Juanita and still kind of trying to 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:41.080 figure out, you know, how she might be a better person. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:42.960 She right, she sees the nurse. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.279 Yeah, she has this moment with the nurse, the nurse 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.400 who's tending to Juanita, and they have this interaction where 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.080 the nurse is talking about her life's choices and her 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.479 line of work, and she says that she sleeps really 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.479 well at night because she can rest easy knowing that 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.320 she did some thing of value with her day, that 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.080 she helped someone, and she helped people. And Gabrielle says, oh, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.400 that must be that must be a nice feeling. But 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.880 she also and I think that we love to bring 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.360 up how the show is still timely or there are 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.559 themes that are mentioned on the show that still feel 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.360 so relevant and the nurse happened to mention how there's 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.520 a shortage and they keep cutting their budget, and I 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.800 wrote down, geez, this may be twenty one years old, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.600 but certainly things have not seemed to improve in. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.600 That area, you know, and it's just up every week. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.680 There's something in the episodes that just either indicates how 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.080 far we've come or how not far we have come anxiety. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:37.880 I think, how not far we've come? 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:42.280 Yeah, yeah, So it motivates Gabby to decide to throw 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.880 this charity fashion show, which kind of takes the whole 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:52.720 arc of Gabby and also of the affair. And then 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.679 in a separate lane, we've got Brie and Rex still 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.400 dealing with Andrew and his life lack of remorse. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.920 Yeah yeah, I mean I was gonna say, just staying 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.160 on Gabby for a moment, I think it is really interesting. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.160 You know, when she has this moment with the nurse, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.840 she feels like she's grappling with this idea of life 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.800 not turning out how you thought it would, or feeling 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.960 like you missed out on something, which kind of made 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.720 me go, oh, I wonder if this is what she 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:28.680 is trying to recapture or rediscover by having an affair 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.200 with someone who is so much younger. And I think 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.840 it's interesting that the place that she looks to peace 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:40.640 for these questions is the perfect marriage of She's going 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.920 to give back, but it's going to be through something 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:49.160 kind of as potentially vacuous or vapid as this fashion 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:54.959 show for charity. Obviously, her expertise is modeling in the runway, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.800 and she's going to have all the women of Wassiria 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.200 Lane dress up. And just before we get in the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.640 other storyline with Brie and Rex and Andrew, I need 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.400 to take one moment for these gowns, the fashion of 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:14.000 the show. I am dead at the Y two K fashion. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.240 We have Edie, you know, worried about wearing missus Huber's dress, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:19.680 which she says is so ugly. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.240 And I was like, look at all the dresses. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:23.640 Oh, you thought all of them were ugly? 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.280 I didn't know. I mean I thought they were pretty tragic. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.000 No, they were pretty trazzy. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:29.360 You know what. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.400 I had to come to defense at the gowns. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.640 I did. I thought you I thought everybody looked lovely. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.960 Are they things I would personally wear? 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:37.600 No? 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.800 But I did think that everyone looked beautiful. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.560 Well, I agree. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.360 By the end of the fashion show, I have a 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.800 lot of kudos. I thought everyone looked beautiful, but just 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.480 looking at the dresses on the rack, I really did 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.760 actually think about the both of you, and I was like, Mom, Andrea, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:57.160 I I'm curious your maybe if you have and I 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.200 feel like, Andrea, I'm sure you have to have had 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.080 having grown up on the show like a most regretted 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.439 y two K dress. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.160 Yes choice, yes, yes, there is a dress that I 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:10.720 wore to an event. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.679 Probably around this time. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.280 I was even working with the with the help of 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.840 a stylist at this point, and I don't know how 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.360 anyone let me wear this thing and it ended up 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.880 in a magazine under like worst Dressed of the Week, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.160 And like, how dare. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.360 Anyone put a fourteen year old on the list like that? 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:33.000 That's horrible. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.400 You should have put anyone on. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.720 Those lists, right, But in any case, particularly not someone 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.640 as vulnerable as a fourteen year old teenage girl. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.640 But it is it is a dress. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.760 We could try to find a picture of it, although 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.280 I don't want to, but it had it was a 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.120 cocktail dress kind of and it had all these layers 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.440 in all of these different colors, so each layer of 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.520 the dress was a different color, and it cascaded down 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.000 in these different tiers and. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.280 It was just awful. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.640 Every single part of it was awful and it was tragic. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.800 And yeah, I'm so sorry that you ended up on 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.679 that list. I think, man, I gotta say, like I've 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:15.199 had thirty years of being you know, on the list, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.240 on the you're on the good list, You're on the 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.240 bad list, you know you you and. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.400 Ah, just we're all that. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.080 I don't know it's worth this, this this idea of 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.560 just judging people and then like making it a commercial 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:36.240 opportunity to judge people, and then you know, like they're 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.760 they're still doing the daily mail, you know whatever, every 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.479 time you leave your house, like you it's an opportunity 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.440 to fail. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.120 And it doesn't even matter that in this case they 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:46.959 were right. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.720 Yeah, right, and and and they could be right, you know, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.520 but like it's I always say this about like movies 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.680 or whatever, like no, no set of one hundred crew 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.080 members and actors and everybody like set out to make 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.200 the worst movie ever, Like nobody nobody goes to the 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.040 red carpet to where to just try to be wearing 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.120 the worst. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.160 Dress ever, Like you you don't know what. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.439 I don't know what what inspiration comes over you or whatever. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.480 Like fashion is supposed to be fun and create a 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.880 way to express yourself and creative. It's not supposed to 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.160 be right or wrong, you know. And I don't know, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.520 I don't know. I have I have a tough time 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.600 with with I mean there's plenty of like the whole 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.920 the critiquers on TikTok that that do this of all 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.800 the fashion events, and they're actually great and they're funny, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.560 and you know they I guess they make good comments, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.480 but but it it is about I just think it's 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.160 maybe it's not a good thing for the world. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.280 Well, maybe maybe I'm coming down too hard on the 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:55.000 gowns in this. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:56.960 No, they were really bad. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.400 Wait, I wanted to tell you some insight thing that 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.880 nobody knows. So and this is we're jumping all the 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.079 way to nearly the end of the episode. But I mean, 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.720 this is more of an actual shooting thing. So when 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.240 and I had forgot this, but when we shot that, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:18.360 we shot that somewhere like in Pasadena or Glendale or something. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.240 And we also were shooting the cover of TV Guide 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.360 the same day, Like we all of us ladies had 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.280 to be there at like four in the morning. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.280 Oh my god, what a long workday for you. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.800 Guys on a workday to shoot the covers of TV Guide. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.320 And I remember saying, I can't do it. I can't 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.200 work like sixteen hours the day before, come home, sleep 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.560 two hours whatever, get up, drive all the way. You know. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.319 It wasn't like we had drivers. We had to drive ourselves. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.160 So I slept in my trailer, which at the time 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.560 was like a honeywagon, you know, like we didn't we 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.800 didn't get bigger, grander trailers until much later into the thing. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.040 And I said, well, there'd be a security guard there, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.199 and they said yes, because they moved the dressing rooms 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.200 the night before. And I was like, okay, then I'm 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.680 just going to go from work to work and sleep 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.880 in my trailer on location. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.280 Yeah, and I did. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.960 My goodness, you can't I did. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.040 I camped out well, and I think I made the 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.520 right call. And there was you know, this isn't the 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.760 only time this happened. I mean, and I'm not complaining 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.080 per se, but I'm giving the insight of like this 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:39.320 show exploded and the press obligations and opportunities, so you know, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.520 they go hand in hand came in that, you know, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.800 I think there was at one point where Time magazine 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.440 wanted me to be on the cover. Actually interesting, we 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.720 should pull this up. I should show this to you guys. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:15:00.000 Somebody posted it on my Instagram today and it reminds 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.640 of it. And the headline was has TV gone too far? 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.200 And it was me like, you know, kind of making 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.840 some in pajamas or whatever, sort of making some crazy 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.560 questionable face like, you know, are we being too provocative 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.960 with our show? And I thought, isn't that crazy that 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.640 Desperate Housewives and ABC show was, you know, on nine 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.000 o'clock on Sundays. Was it was the that was the 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.800 character that was going to be on the cover of 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.920 Time magazine to represent the idea of, you know, are 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.479 we being too provocative? 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.640 I have to say, I mean, I don't think it's 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.720 that crazy, given that we're rewatching the show right now. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.960 I mean, I understand how at the time it could 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.720 feel like, oh my gosh, but I it was and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:52.640 continues to feel like such a provocative, interesting in some 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.280 ways ahead of its time, or at least continues to 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.160 be so relevant show that I love to hear that 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.600 people were calling it out as such that early on, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.880 and kudos to you for being the kind of person 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.680 who sleeps in your trailer and spoiler alert, you looked 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.480 amazing in that scene, so it worked. It was worth 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:12.560 sleeping over there. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.040 Your honeywagon. Just that slumber really really worked out for you. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.200 So in this episode, we've got this fashion show going on. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:33.520 We've got Susan discovering that Gabby is having the affair. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:38.920 We've got Tom and Lynette trying to figure out her addiction, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:44.200 and we've got Brie and Rex disagreeing over Andrew's morality. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:49.880 And we have genius comedic cut from the women looking 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.400 at their gowns. At the beginning of the episode, as 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.760 Gabby is starting to organize the runway show, Edie says 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.240 when she's forced to wear missus hooper dress, she looks 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:03.920 at it and she goes ugh. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.800 Missus Hooper said she'd. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.639 Never be caught dead in black, and then we cut 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.240 immediately to Missus Hooper's dead body rolled up in a 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.320 black trash bag being buried by Paul. And I think 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.560 this is just another such a good example of how 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.919 the plot moved at breakneck speed, but the comedy just 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.639 was so sharp and cutting. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.879 And she will be buried in to rest eternally alongside 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:31.400 that blender. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.640 Yes, I know, why is the blender there? 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.920 That was the murder weapon, right of course, so he 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.720 had to bury it all together. But for missus Huper, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.879 it's just kind of uh, you know, just intrinsically funny 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.879 that she's going to rest forever in peace or not 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:47.399 in peace. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.280 But with this, with this. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.439 Sound, the attention, the attention to detail, like the just 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.639 enough of her arm and her little, you know, silly 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.920 shirt and I think it was like her watch or whatever, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.760 our sticky out of the thing. You know. It's it's 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.879 those things when when when fans they should know, like, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.919 I mean, those things aren't accidents, you know. Those in 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:13.120 a show like this, every little thing you can assume 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.399 that either the writer or the director or the actor 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:22.080 themselves was like I want to do, make this choice, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:27.280 and it's just it's just amazing when the story all 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.320 gets told together. I mean, I just appreciate all those 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:31.200 little details. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:31.720 It's good. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.199 It's good to call attention to that. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.800 I often have people who don't work in the industry 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.959 or aren't from you know, haven't read a script before, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.080 or aren't familiar with that form of how those things 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.960 get made. And here I'm a screenwriter. They'll say, well, 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.600 what do you what do you mean? Like, you write 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:55.320 the things that the characters say, Yeah, and. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:55.800 A lot more. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.000 And I know, I know what's on screen. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.119 I write that, Yeah, And I not trying to laugh 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.560 at that, because how would someone how you know, how 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.720 would you know that? Yeah? But but it is true, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.480 it's so far beyond just the lines of dialogue. It 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.840 probably is in the script. Her hand hangs out of 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.639 the bag with this watch and close on, look at 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.840 the blender next to the bag. I mean, I feel like, 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.160 you know, of course, directors are making their own choices 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.440 about how they're shooting something, but mostly all of those 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.359 important beats of the things that we see and the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:38.040 way the characters walk and move is normally in the script, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.600 at least to some extent. Or else, you know, people 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.920 wouldn't know what to be filming or how to how 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:45.960 to portray their character. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.520 Yeah, and it really stack up. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.439 I mean they all add up subconsciously sometimes too, like 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.399 you're you're not necessarily even aware of them as an 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.560 audience member, but they really add to what distinguishes a 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.280 show that is so great from one that is maybe 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:01.080 not as great. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:06.320 Yeah, I don't know that. I got to admit, like 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.400 any fashion dress thing I know. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.560 Tell us no, no, no, no. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.600 I was trying. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.840 I was trying to think while you were talking if 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.399 I had a specific thing other than just saying that 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.200 I definitely ended up on both sides of the good 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.840 and bad throughout my career. But I haven't been able 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.360 to think of a specific dress yet. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.600 Okay, we'll keep working on that because we love to know. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.480 So from this scene, I just want to merge us 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.919 in because there's so much ground to cover, but I 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.640 did want to merge us into what we go directly 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.040 from this scene to a scene establishing that Julie and 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.879 Zach have become pen pals and are writing each other letters, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.760 which definitely kind of comes back later in the episode 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.040 as well. I've never had a pen pal. I remember 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.560 in first grade there was there was the opportunity to 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.600 have one or something, but I was working at that 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.160 time still or also, and I don't think I got 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.720 to actually have a pen pal. 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.600 But I've always kind of been curious. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.840 About about writing someone having a friendship developed just by 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:07.920 writing back and forth. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.280 Have either of you had a pen pal. 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.880 Did you, Because I was going to say, I am 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.360