1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately Devoted. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Join us as we explore the human experience through the 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm a versuon Tanny. 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Hi everybody. 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: Hi. So this week we are shining our spotlight on 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: episode nine, Suspicious Minds Yes, named after the Elvis song 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: which aired on. 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: December twelfth, two thousand and four. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: In true season one fashion, this episode is bursting with 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: twists and turns. 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 4: And speaking of fashion, Gabrielle organizes a charity runway show 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: featuring all the housewives donning glamorous gowns lots to talk about. There, 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: Susan finds out about Gabrielle's affair and confronts her. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 5: Lynette is trying to poach some high grade nanny as 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 5: she puts it and Breeze. Concern over Andrew's lack of 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 5: remorse for putting one needles elease in the hospital grows 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 5: and she is pissed, very much intended. 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 6: We will get there. 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: Oh, let's let's get into it. 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Hi. 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 6: Hi you guys, Hi love seeing you. 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: Okay, wait, I gotta ask anybody desperately devoted to anything 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: this week? 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 5: Well, my answer just sucks, but I have Sorry, no, 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 5: it does. Objectively, I'm the judge of it because it 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 5: has to do with me and my mouth. And I 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 5: got in VISI line this week. 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Wow, I've been there. You have I've been there? 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 5: Oh God, Okay to everyone listening and Andrea, who has 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: ever had in VISI line, they I did not feel 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 5: adequately warned. I'm going to be having this for the 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 5: next seven months. And I have all this crazy shit 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 5: on my teeth and it hurts when it's in, and 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: it hurts when it's not in, and it hurts to eat, 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 5: and and it's it's really but I've been being desperately 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 5: devoted to my twenty two hours of wearing it a day. Wow, 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 5: I supposedly need to fix my bite. 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 6: Oh that's that's what you think. I mean. You are 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 6: you doing this? 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: Well, no, you're you're doing this to save your teeth, 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: not just for like vanity. 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 5: Oh I don't care that my teeth are crooked. I 44 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 5: would keep them crooked. I have just been told by 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 5: my dentist that I need to straighten them or else 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 5: my teeth will wear down and eventually I all need 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 5: veneers and I don't want veneers. 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 6: Yeah. 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 4: Wow, So you're desperately devoted to your invisi line. Well, 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: I mean that's the way you got to be committed 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: to stuff like that. It's like going to the gym 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 4: or it doesn't. 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: Work, I'm gone. 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 6: I'm desperately devoted to go Greek. 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: That is all I can eat with my invisil line. 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 4: You're also desperately devoted, no, I you know, I was 57 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: like under the weather and I had a really high 58 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: fever and I just didn't have an appetite and the 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: only thing that I could get down was go Greek 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: plain yogurt and it's really good and I loved it. 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 6: So how about you? Were you were you just really 62 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 6: devoted to anything? 63 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: I would say, yes. 64 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: The thing that springs to the top of my mind 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: is my sweet rescue dog, Fig, who shares a name 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: with Terry's cat, which is Gosh. 67 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know, and she came to she came 68 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: to me and my husband with that name. But wow, 69 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: how another way that we're connected. 70 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: But but yes, so Fig unfortunately had heartworm, and for 71 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: those of you out there who know anything about heartworm, 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: it is a terrible thing that dogs contract from mosquitoes, 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: and the treatment is very involved and very very lengthy 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: and very costly. And anyway, after about four months of 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: just kind of going through the trenches with her, she 76 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: was declared heartworm free. 77 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm devoted to Fig two. I kind of 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: want to I'm here in my bedroom and my Fig 79 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: is right over there on the bed, and I kind 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: of want to grab her, but she's anyway. So this 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: episode another huge one. I say that about all of them. 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: It's a big one. 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: Is a big one. Where do we begin? 84 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 5: I mean, I think we could begin at the very opening, 85 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: which I have to say, and I know we talk 86 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 5: about this all the time, all the ways that the 87 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 5: show was so cutting edge and edgy and provocative for 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: its time or for any time. But we start with 89 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 5: a peek into various stages of Gabriella's life and things 90 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 5: that she I forget what the phrasing was, was the 91 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 5: things that she learned or like how she basically how 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 5: she learned to wield power. But it starts with the 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 5: shot of young fifteen year old Gabriella Salsa's calves sitting 94 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 5: on the bed when her mom's boyfriend comes. 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: To step dad. I think that if Mary Alice says, yeah, stepfather. 96 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 5: Her stepfather, and then this, we don't hear exactly what 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 5: happens in this encounter, but I think we can use 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: our best judgment to guess and we say that this 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 5: spurred her deciding to move to New York to pursue modeling. 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Because he pays her a visit in the middle of 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the night or something. 102 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was heavy. 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 5: And then very quickly, I thought, seguede away from the 104 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: topic of her potentially being molested or being a victim 105 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 5: of sexual assault as a child into her learning that 106 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: sex is power and using it to kind of blackmail 107 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 5: the modeling agency boss to hire her, and then ultimately 108 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: having Carlos marry her, and then ultimately seducing John the gardener. 109 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: And I just thought, Wow, this is an arresting opening 110 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 5: of an episode. 111 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, a lot said without anything being said. 112 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really, it's so true, and it is. It's brief. 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: You could kind of miss it. 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: In fact, obviously, as we've said, rewatching it, you realize 115 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: so much you didn't catch the first go around. And 116 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: I definitely didn't pick up on that in any real 117 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: way the first time. I watched it when it aired 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: in real time all those years ago. But yeah, it 119 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: kind of does give us a It gives us a 120 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: lot more insight into who Gabby is and we need that, 121 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: We really need that for her character. So you know, 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: they didn't linger there by any stretch, but it is 123 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: a necessary bit of information to kind of provide us with. 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so then we had Gabby still being in 125 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: the hospital with Juanita and still kind of trying to 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: figure out, you know, how she might be a better person. 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 6: She right, she sees the nurse. 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, she has this moment with the nurse, the nurse 129 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: who's tending to Juanita, and they have this interaction where 130 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: the nurse is talking about her life's choices and her 131 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: line of work, and she says that she sleeps really 132 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: well at night because she can rest easy knowing that 133 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: she did some thing of value with her day, that 134 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: she helped someone, and she helped people. And Gabrielle says, oh, 135 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: that must be that must be a nice feeling. But 136 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: she also and I think that we love to bring 137 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: up how the show is still timely or there are 138 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: themes that are mentioned on the show that still feel 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: so relevant and the nurse happened to mention how there's 140 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: a shortage and they keep cutting their budget, and I 141 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: wrote down, geez, this may be twenty one years old, 142 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: but certainly things have not seemed to improve in. 143 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: That area, you know, and it's just up every week. 144 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: There's something in the episodes that just either indicates how 145 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: far we've come or how not far we have come anxiety. 146 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 6: I think, how not far we've come? 147 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it motivates Gabby to decide to throw 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: this charity fashion show, which kind of takes the whole 149 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 4: arc of Gabby and also of the affair. And then 150 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 4: in a separate lane, we've got Brie and Rex still 151 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: dealing with Andrew and his life lack of remorse. 152 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean I was gonna say, just staying 153 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: on Gabby for a moment, I think it is really interesting. 154 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 5: You know, when she has this moment with the nurse, 155 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 5: she feels like she's grappling with this idea of life 156 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 5: not turning out how you thought it would, or feeling 157 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 5: like you missed out on something, which kind of made 158 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 5: me go, oh, I wonder if this is what she 159 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: is trying to recapture or rediscover by having an affair 160 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 5: with someone who is so much younger. And I think 161 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 5: it's interesting that the place that she looks to peace 162 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 5: for these questions is the perfect marriage of She's going 163 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 5: to give back, but it's going to be through something 164 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 5: kind of as potentially vacuous or vapid as this fashion 165 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 5: show for charity. Obviously, her expertise is modeling in the runway, 166 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: and she's going to have all the women of Wassiria 167 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: Lane dress up. And just before we get in the 168 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: other storyline with Brie and Rex and Andrew, I need 169 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 5: to take one moment for these gowns, the fashion of 170 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: the show. I am dead at the Y two K fashion. 171 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 5: We have Edie, you know, worried about wearing missus Huber's dress, 172 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 5: which she says is so ugly. 173 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: And I was like, look at all the dresses. 174 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: Oh, you thought all of them were ugly? 175 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: I didn't know. I mean I thought they were pretty tragic. 176 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 6: No, they were pretty trazzy. 177 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: You know what. 178 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: I had to come to defense at the gowns. 179 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: I did. I thought you I thought everybody looked lovely. 180 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: Are they things I would personally wear? 181 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 5: No? 182 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: But I did think that everyone looked beautiful. 183 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: Well, I agree. 184 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 5: By the end of the fashion show, I have a 185 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: lot of kudos. I thought everyone looked beautiful, but just 186 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: looking at the dresses on the rack, I really did 187 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 5: actually think about the both of you, and I was like, Mom, Andrea, 188 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 5: I I'm curious your maybe if you have and I 189 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 5: feel like, Andrea, I'm sure you have to have had 190 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 5: having grown up on the show like a most regretted 191 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 5: y two K dress. 192 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: Yes choice, yes, yes, there is a dress that I 193 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: wore to an event. 194 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: Probably around this time. 195 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: I was even working with the with the help of 196 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: a stylist at this point, and I don't know how 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: anyone let me wear this thing and it ended up 198 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: in a magazine under like worst Dressed of the Week, 199 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: And like, how dare. 200 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Anyone put a fourteen year old on the list like that? 201 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: That's horrible. 202 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: You should have put anyone on. 203 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Those lists, right, But in any case, particularly not someone 204 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: as vulnerable as a fourteen year old teenage girl. 205 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: But it is it is a dress. 206 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: We could try to find a picture of it, although 207 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to, but it had it was a 208 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: cocktail dress kind of and it had all these layers 209 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: in all of these different colors, so each layer of 210 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: the dress was a different color, and it cascaded down 211 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: in these different tiers and. 212 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: It was just awful. 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: Every single part of it was awful and it was tragic. 214 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm so sorry that you ended up on 215 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: that list. I think, man, I gotta say, like I've 216 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 4: had thirty years of being you know, on the list, 217 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: on the you're on the good list, You're on the 218 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: bad list, you know you you and. 219 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 6: Ah, just we're all that. 220 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: I don't know it's worth this, this this idea of 221 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: just judging people and then like making it a commercial 222 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: opportunity to judge people, and then you know, like they're 223 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: they're still doing the daily mail, you know whatever, every 224 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,479 Speaker 4: time you leave your house, like you it's an opportunity 225 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 4: to fail. 226 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: And it doesn't even matter that in this case they 227 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: were right. 228 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and and and they could be right, you know, 229 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: but like it's I always say this about like movies 230 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 4: or whatever, like no, no set of one hundred crew 231 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: members and actors and everybody like set out to make 232 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: the worst movie ever, Like nobody nobody goes to the 233 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: red carpet to where to just try to be wearing 234 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: the worst. 235 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 6: Dress ever, Like you you don't know what. 236 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 4: I don't know what what inspiration comes over you or whatever. 237 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 4: Like fashion is supposed to be fun and create a 238 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 4: way to express yourself and creative. It's not supposed to 239 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: be right or wrong, you know. And I don't know, 240 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. I have I have a tough time 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: with with I mean there's plenty of like the whole 242 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 4: the critiquers on TikTok that that do this of all 243 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: the fashion events, and they're actually great and they're funny, 244 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 4: and you know they I guess they make good comments, 245 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: but but it it is about I just think it's 246 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: maybe it's not a good thing for the world. 247 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: Well, maybe maybe I'm coming down too hard on the 248 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: gowns in this. 249 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 6: No, they were really bad. 250 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: Wait, I wanted to tell you some insight thing that 251 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: nobody knows. So and this is we're jumping all the 252 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 4: way to nearly the end of the episode. But I mean, 253 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: this is more of an actual shooting thing. So when 254 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 4: and I had forgot this, but when we shot that, 255 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: we shot that somewhere like in Pasadena or Glendale or something. 256 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: And we also were shooting the cover of TV Guide 257 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: the same day, Like we all of us ladies had 258 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: to be there at like four in the morning. 259 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a long workday for you. 260 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: Guys on a workday to shoot the covers of TV Guide. 261 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 4: And I remember saying, I can't do it. I can't 262 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: work like sixteen hours the day before, come home, sleep 263 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 4: two hours whatever, get up, drive all the way. You know. 264 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 6: It wasn't like we had drivers. We had to drive ourselves. 265 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: So I slept in my trailer, which at the time 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: was like a honeywagon, you know, like we didn't we 267 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: didn't get bigger, grander trailers until much later into the thing. 268 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: And I said, well, there'd be a security guard there, 269 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 4: and they said yes, because they moved the dressing rooms 270 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 4: the night before. And I was like, okay, then I'm 271 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 4: just going to go from work to work and sleep 272 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: in my trailer on location. 273 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I did. 274 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: My goodness, you can't I did. 275 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: I camped out well, and I think I made the 276 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: right call. And there was you know, this isn't the 277 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: only time this happened. I mean, and I'm not complaining 278 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: per se, but I'm giving the insight of like this 279 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: show exploded and the press obligations and opportunities, so you know, 280 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 4: they go hand in hand came in that, you know, 281 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: I think there was at one point where Time magazine 282 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: wanted me to be on the cover. Actually interesting, we 283 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: should pull this up. I should show this to you guys. 284 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: Somebody posted it on my Instagram today and it reminds 285 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: of it. And the headline was has TV gone too far? 286 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 4: And it was me like, you know, kind of making 287 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: some in pajamas or whatever, sort of making some crazy 288 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 4: questionable face like, you know, are we being too provocative 289 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: with our show? And I thought, isn't that crazy that 290 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: Desperate Housewives and ABC show was, you know, on nine 291 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: o'clock on Sundays. Was it was the that was the 292 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: character that was going to be on the cover of 293 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: Time magazine to represent the idea of, you know, are 294 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,479 Speaker 4: we being too provocative? 295 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: I have to say, I mean, I don't think it's 296 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 5: that crazy, given that we're rewatching the show right now. 297 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 5: I mean, I understand how at the time it could 298 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 5: feel like, oh my gosh, but I it was and 299 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 5: continues to feel like such a provocative, interesting in some 300 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: ways ahead of its time, or at least continues to 301 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 5: be so relevant show that I love to hear that 302 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: people were calling it out as such that early on, 303 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 5: and kudos to you for being the kind of person 304 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: who sleeps in your trailer and spoiler alert, you looked 305 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 5: amazing in that scene, so it worked. It was worth 306 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 5: sleeping over there. 307 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: Your honeywagon. Just that slumber really really worked out for you. 308 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: So in this episode, we've got this fashion show going on. 309 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: We've got Susan discovering that Gabby is having the affair. 310 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 4: We've got Tom and Lynette trying to figure out her addiction, 311 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: and we've got Brie and Rex disagreeing over Andrew's morality. 312 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 5: And we have genius comedic cut from the women looking 313 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 5: at their gowns. At the beginning of the episode, as 314 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: Gabby is starting to organize the runway show, Edie says 315 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: when she's forced to wear missus hooper dress, she looks 316 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 5: at it and she goes ugh. 317 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: Missus Hooper said she'd. 318 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 5: Never be caught dead in black, and then we cut 319 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: immediately to Missus Hooper's dead body rolled up in a 320 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: black trash bag being buried by Paul. And I think 321 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: this is just another such a good example of how 322 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: the plot moved at breakneck speed, but the comedy just 323 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 5: was so sharp and cutting. 324 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: And she will be buried in to rest eternally alongside 325 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: that blender. 326 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 5: Yes, I know, why is the blender there? 327 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: That was the murder weapon, right of course, so he 328 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: had to bury it all together. But for missus Huper, 329 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: it's just kind of uh, you know, just intrinsically funny 330 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: that she's going to rest forever in peace or not 331 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 2: in peace. 332 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: But with this, with this. 333 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: Sound, the attention, the attention to detail, like the just 334 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 4: enough of her arm and her little, you know, silly 335 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: shirt and I think it was like her watch or whatever, 336 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: our sticky out of the thing. You know. It's it's 337 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: those things when when when fans they should know, like, 338 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 4: I mean, those things aren't accidents, you know. Those in 339 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 4: a show like this, every little thing you can assume 340 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 4: that either the writer or the director or the actor 341 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: themselves was like I want to do, make this choice, 342 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: and it's just it's just amazing when the story all 343 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: gets told together. I mean, I just appreciate all those 344 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: little details. 345 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 6: It's good. 346 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: It's good to call attention to that. 347 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: I often have people who don't work in the industry 348 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 5: or aren't from you know, haven't read a script before, 349 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: or aren't familiar with that form of how those things 350 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: get made. And here I'm a screenwriter. They'll say, well, 351 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 5: what do you what do you mean? Like, you write 352 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 5: the things that the characters say, Yeah, and. 353 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 6: A lot more. 354 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: And I know, I know what's on screen. 355 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 5: I write that, Yeah, And I not trying to laugh 356 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 5: at that, because how would someone how you know, how 357 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 5: would you know that? Yeah? But but it is true, 358 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 5: it's so far beyond just the lines of dialogue. It 359 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: probably is in the script. Her hand hangs out of 360 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: the bag with this watch and close on, look at 361 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 5: the blender next to the bag. I mean, I feel like, 362 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 5: you know, of course, directors are making their own choices 363 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 5: about how they're shooting something, but mostly all of those 364 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 5: important beats of the things that we see and the 365 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 5: way the characters walk and move is normally in the script, 366 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: at least to some extent. Or else, you know, people 367 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 5: wouldn't know what to be filming or how to how 368 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 5: to portray their character. 369 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really stack up. 370 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: I mean they all add up subconsciously sometimes too, like 371 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: you're you're not necessarily even aware of them as an 372 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: audience member, but they really add to what distinguishes a 373 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: show that is so great from one that is maybe 374 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: not as great. 375 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that. I got to admit, like 376 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 4: any fashion dress thing I know. 377 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: Tell us no, no, no, no. 378 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 6: I was trying. 379 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: I was trying to think while you were talking if 380 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: I had a specific thing other than just saying that 381 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 4: I definitely ended up on both sides of the good 382 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: and bad throughout my career. But I haven't been able 383 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 4: to think of a specific dress yet. 384 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll keep working on that because we love to know. 385 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: So from this scene, I just want to merge us 386 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: in because there's so much ground to cover, but I 387 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: did want to merge us into what we go directly 388 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: from this scene to a scene establishing that Julie and 389 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: Zach have become pen pals and are writing each other letters, 390 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: which definitely kind of comes back later in the episode 391 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: as well. I've never had a pen pal. I remember 392 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: in first grade there was there was the opportunity to 393 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: have one or something, but I was working at that 394 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: time still or also, and I don't think I got 395 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: to actually have a pen pal. 396 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: But I've always kind of been curious. 397 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: About about writing someone having a friendship developed just by 398 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: writing back and forth. 399 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Have either of you had a pen pal. 400 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 5: Did you, Because I was going to say, I am 401 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 5: a big letter writer, and I never had a pen pal. 402 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: When I went off to college. My dad and I. 403 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: Would write letters back and forth to each other a lot, 404 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 5: because I remember him telling me that was something that 405 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 5: he did with his dad. And we hardly ever texted 406 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 5: or like talked on the phone. It was all kind 407 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 5: of through letter. 408 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 6: And now I felt a little left out. 409 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: Fall we did many other things. 410 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 6: We did all the texting in the phone call. 411 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, And now I think in my this is just 412 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: recently in the last year or two, as I've started, 413 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 5: you know, coming out of COVID, traveling a lot more. 414 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 5: I notice in restaurants a lot today they'll put your 415 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 5: receipt attached to a postcard. And you know, normally I 416 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: think people just leave the postcard on the table, but 417 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 5: I have started if I'm in another state or country, 418 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 5: taking it and writing it to someone like a friend 419 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 5: of mine who is back home, or if I'm in 420 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: LA thinking about who I have who doesn't live I 421 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 5: have lots of friends, you know, who live in other 422 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: states and don't live in Los Angeles, and I will just. 423 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: Write to them. 424 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 5: And sometimes I'll write about the meal, or sometimes I'll 425 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 5: just you know, a Postcard's very it's not the commitment 426 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 5: of a letter. It's a couple of sentences. But I 427 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 5: think it's so fun to get a physical. 428 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: Time not that well, I have a relationship with a 429 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: I have a relationship with a girlfriend on the East 430 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 4: Coast that a couple of years ago we started writing 431 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: letters back and forth to each other just to like 432 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: get something in the mail. And also what's fun is 433 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 4: to go Sometimes it's just on stationary, but sometimes I'll 434 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 4: go to paper source or one of these stores and 435 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 4: spend you know, a half an hour, like looking for 436 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: the card that's just gonna, i know, make her day 437 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 4: when when. 438 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 6: She opens it. 439 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 4: You know, I know she loves dogs, and I know 440 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: she loves wine, and you know whatever, So you can 441 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 4: find the thing that like is just going to be cute. 442 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: And I will say, there is all. I will definitely 443 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: put it in my top five of receiving a letter 444 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 4: actually through the snail mail post in my mailbox. How 445 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: fun that is. Yeah, we should all we should start 446 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: a campaign of doing that. Actually, we were talking about 447 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: that when we first started talking about doing the podcast, 448 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: because yeah, because the whole episode. The whole series starts 449 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: around this letter that comes in the mail, and so 450 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: we thought it would be fun if fans could write 451 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: in to us with actual snail mail and we could 452 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: write back to them with actual snail mail. But we 453 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: don't have an address, so we were. 454 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: Advised that might be too technically difficult. 455 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 4: When we get when if we get an address at iHeart, 456 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: we will, that's safe, we will. 457 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 6: We'll let you know. 458 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that would be I That would be very fun. 459 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: But what you can do is comment and dm us 460 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: at Desperately Devoted podcast on Instagram, as many of you 461 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: already have. 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