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Speaker 1: What is going on? I'm Jake Hoefer, the host of

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Speaker 1: Back forty. We're back with another season. You're going to

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Speaker 1: be getting an episode like this once a month here,

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Speaker 1: and if you didn't catch any of the Back forty

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Speaker 1: series last year, let me explain how this episode format

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Speaker 1: works is a little bit different. So each episode we're

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Speaker 1: going to be diving into one specific question, one specific

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Speaker 1: white tailed dilemma that we all likely face, and I

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Speaker 1: bring in a panel of experts. I ask them all

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Speaker 1: the same exact question, and we get their perspective. And

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Speaker 1: the beauty of this is you can pick up on

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Speaker 1: any common themes of shortcomings that they've addressed with their

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Speaker 1: own food plots or their own issues, or little specific

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Speaker 1: pieces of advice that may be the missing link in

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Speaker 1: your strategy of whatever the topic may be. So this

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Speaker 1: week we have the deer just aren't using the food

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Speaker 1: plots like I see on YouTube, like I see on TV.

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Speaker 1: It just does not feel worth the effort. And we

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Speaker 1: have Thomas Milsda with the Unteam Ambition out of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: We have Jared Vanhase out of Michigan with the Habitat podcast.

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Speaker 1: We have Kyle from Team Radical who is fanatical about

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Speaker 1: food plots and how it incorporates into his hunting strategy.

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Speaker 1: And we have Terry Peer with real world wildlife products

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Speaker 1: and chasing giants who's out of Kentucky and also hunts

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Speaker 1: in Illinois. So we have the core of the Midwest here,

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Speaker 1: all different little areas, all different nuances on planting days, strategy,

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Speaker 1: and this episode addresses a lot of different things, which

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Speaker 1: was the goal from strategy on hunting, from what you plant,

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Speaker 1: how you plan it, all the different things. So if

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Speaker 1: you're gearing up to have the best food plotting near ever,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean and is it actually going to

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Speaker 1: help you or hurt you? All that's addressed here in

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Speaker 1: today's episode of the Backboardy podcast presented by Multrie. We're

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Speaker 1: going to kick things off with Thomas Milsna out of Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and then we're going to keep working through all the

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Speaker 1: different experts. So hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. All right, I'm running into this problem. This

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Speaker 1: is something that a lot of people can relate to.

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Speaker 1: I'm planning my food plots every spring or every fall,

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Speaker 1: or they're not allowing me this magical late October or

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Speaker 1: my head from all the different forms of media that

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Speaker 1: have come out over the year. So I'm planning food

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Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to be doing. What do you

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Speaker 2: Well, every situation is different, right, But I will tell

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Speaker 2: you what I know and what I've learned over the

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Speaker 2: years on food plots is first and foremost, nutrition equals attraction.

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Speaker 2: So you know, reevaluate your soil tests, get a micro

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Speaker 2: level soil evaluation as far as like the mineral components

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Speaker 2: the plant, the sugar content, and the plant ultimately the

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Speaker 2: flavor of the plant for the deer. Okay, that's one

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Speaker 2: level in there. The plants that you're planting in there

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Speaker 2: But bigger than both of those things, and more often

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Speaker 2: So good screening cover and then adjacent to that food

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Speaker 2: But I would more often than not with clients start

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Speaker 2: But if you truly want to hold them in the area,

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Speaker 1: To put a cherry on top of a food source,

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks, Jake.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm coming at this from a very unique

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Speaker 4: But it's a real factor.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's several things to unpack here. When

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Speaker 5: Then there's this monster tsunami called mother nature that comes

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of different directions that you can

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Speaker 5: one acre or less property in certain areas of the

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Speaker 5: country with high deer density and try to put soybeans

440
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 5: in it, you're going to be frustrated because of the

441
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 5: over brows situation. So you know, I would say that's

442
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 5: one of the failures. The second the second thing is

443
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 5: mother Nature, and this is the one we have zero

444
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 5: control over. You know, last year, if you look at

445
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 5: if you look at a true timeline of the last

446
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 5: five years, you've had every scenario possible. We've had wet springs,

447
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 5: dry summer, and then wet fall last year in certain

448
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 5: and I'm speaking figuratively for my farms in Illinois and Kentucky.

449
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 5: A couple of years before that we had complete drought

450
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 5: early season and then we're wet three four years ago

451
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 5: at great spring, and then we didn't get rained. From

452
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 5: what Jake, I know you and I've talked about this

453
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 5: because we were in the same boat. We had like

454
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 5: middle of August through October fifteenth no rain. So the

455
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 5: guys who rely on fall food plots were just hung

456
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 5: out to dry. The best thing we can do is

457
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 5: try to hedge our bets and just like we want

458
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 5: to diversify our food plot program. Don't necessarily think about

459
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 5: it as diversifying the product for nutritional value to where

460
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 5: I have something for deer that has high feed value

461
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 5: feed value in soluble protein at different times of the year,

462
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 5: but also hedge our bets for plan A, plan B,

463
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 5: plan C based on mother nature. Because it's so frustrating

464
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 5: to go in and have your ground ready invest in

465
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 5: a no till drift'll buy your fertilizer and then no rate.

466
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 5: You just sit there and feel so helpless that it

467
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 5: makes you.

468
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 4: Want to go play golf instead. So I'll get there.

469
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 5: I think the last the last silo is probably where

470
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 5: you want to land the plane, and that is guys habit,

471
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 5: but deer aren't using it. That's probably the most devastating

472
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Speaker 5: from a morale standpoint of anything we have, and there

473
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 5: can be a lot of factors to that. Again, I

474
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 5: think that if we go into it looking at I

475
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 5: want to diversify my nutrition source as much as I can.

476
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 5: In the state's you know, game laws, the equipment, the

477
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Speaker 5: budget of.

478
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Speaker 4: Some of them are permission properties.

479
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: We can only do so much, but get your book

480
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 5: INDs and then try to pack in as much diversity

481
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 5: as possible and not watch social media and uh, you

482
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 5: know YouTube to say it worked for this guy, it's

483
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: got to work for me when it's not the close

484
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Speaker 5: to the same situation. And what I mean by that is,

485
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: don't take something so literally from Don Higgins myself, from

486
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Speaker 5: you know whoever out there and say all that works

487
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: for them in Michigan or Iowa or Illinois, and I'm

488
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 5: going to try to do it in Georgia. Look at

489
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 5: what works, uh, deer density, soil, soil health, soil amendment.

490
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 5: And let's face it, we we sit on our own

491
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Speaker 5: property and want to be the next level deer hunter

492
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Speaker 5: and that might be from a one fifteen to a

493
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Speaker 5: one to twenty five or a one fifty to a

494
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Speaker 5: one sixty, or goodness gracious, the few people in the

495
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 5: world that can actually do what Don does and then

496
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Speaker 5: say a one ninety five to a two hundred.

497
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Speaker 4: I think that we just gota. We got to pull

498
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Speaker 4: back a little bit.

499
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Speaker 5: And what's what's realistic, because what my fear is is

500
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Speaker 5: that a lot of people, although we can learn stuff

501
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 5: from those shows and all of them's great resources, just

502
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 5: like this one that we're on right now, but if

503
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 5: it's not feasible in your area. Basically from a soil

504
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: health to a herd health, to a herd number to

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: a genetic pocket, we're just going to continue to get frustrated.

506
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 5: Now we can evaluate those bookends on our property.

507
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: We can say this is what I can do inside.

508
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 5: Of this based on time, budget, equipment, soil area, type

509
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: of property. Even the public guys, you know, they can

510
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 5: do specific things, but it has to be realistic because

511
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 5: if we don't, if we don't basically control the narrative,

512
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: maybe even narratives not the right word, but control the

513
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 5: expectations of what's possible. I think that that's where people

514
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 5: who desire so much to take their hunting to the

515
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 5: next level get so frustrated because it's not achievable. And

516
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 5: then what happens is you try to overcomplicate your plans.

517
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: You get you know, oh, this guy said this, this

518
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 5: guy get this, and before you know it, we have

519
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 5: our property looking like a Where's Waldo picture? If I

520
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 5: might be dating myself, you're a hold.

521
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: On I know, I know that, I know.

522
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know.

523
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Speaker 4: Think about it.

524
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Speaker 5: You look at it from on ex or Google Earth,

525
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: and it's just this massive, just different stuff, and we're

526
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 5: in there way too much. We're putting intrusion on there.

527
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 5: We're hunting that, we're trying to over complicate with every gimmick,

528
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 5: every technique to make it.

529
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: And I think at some point.

530
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Speaker 5: The hunting community really over complicates things. Now when you

531
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Speaker 5: really strip back and say, my my property looks like

532
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 5: this golf course, it should be in the brochure of

533
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 5: any food plot seed company, and deer just aren't in it.

534
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: If that happens to you, what I would suggest doing

535
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 5: is work with your local AAG extension office and do

536
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 5: a Tisian analysis and it doesn't cost anything. And you know,

537
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: we can even offer resources for people if they.

538
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: Have a question about that. But you know, if deer aren't.

539
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that going to tell us?

540
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

541
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: So for someone that says, what is the tissue analysis?

542
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: Why would I even do this?

543
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: Right?

544
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: So we can look at a Tisian analysis and see

545
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 5: a spike in something and say, oh, well the nitrate

546
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: level is way too high in Nebraska. So I've been

547
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 5: testing this theory in Kentucky.

548
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 4: Probably happened.

549
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: I noticed it about eight years ago with Brasica's And

550
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: for those folks who don't know about Nebraska's that's your tilledradishes,

551
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: your purple top turnips. And you see these internet stories

552
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 5: where these guys have this purple top turnip that's the

553
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 5: size of a volleyball, right, They're just huge ton of tonnage.

554
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: They go to planet and the deer don't eat it,

555
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: and they say.

556
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 4: Oh, well, the deer had flyer the taste of it.

557
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.

558
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: A deer is eating rocks and sticks in the winter

559
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 5: if they're going to eat whatever they can to survive. Right, So,

560
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: by no means in my an agronomous. But where I

561
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: first noticed it is in in Kentucky. Every flat surface

562
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 5: in my area was a tobacco field. Okay, so you

563
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 5: had year there was no crop rotations. There wasn't corn

564
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 5: and soybeans like you guys have out in an island

565
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 5: or Illinois. Excuse me, it was tobacco. So to grow tobacco,

566
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: they had to throw nitrogen on this on this track

567
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: of ground the year after year after year. Tobacco loved nitrogen.

568
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: And what I found is when I raised brassicas in

569
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: the old tobacco fields, the dude didn't touch it. And

570
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: at least at first you know it took years for

571
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 5: them to start using it. But I could plant it

572
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: on an old clay hillside that never had anything other

573
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 5: than pasture grass on it, and they hammered it, and

574
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, what.

575
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: Is going on here?

576
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 5: You know, you're literally talking about a number of yards

577
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 5: between the two plots. And I have this theory. I

578
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 5: can't tell you that it's right or wrong. They'll probably

579
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: be ten thousand comments of people below saying you're an idiot,

580
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 5: and that's fine.

581
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: I get that every week.

582
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: But my theory in that is in properties that have

583
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 5: a high nitrogen that has gone into the subpen. So

584
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 5: even when you do your soil test, you're only doing

585
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 5: the soil test up high or the root but till

586
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: it radishes.

587
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: Purple top turnans.

588
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 5: All of those have hair fiber roots that go feet

589
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: into the ground, and what I believe is happening is

590
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 5: it's pulling the nitrogen into the plant from the subpen

591
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 5: and then rotting up top. So when you do your

592
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 5: tission analysis, what I noticed is your nitrate level was

593
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: really really high. Your sugar levels would maintain the whole year.

594
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 5: So everybody would say they cut a radish open and

595
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 5: they say, oh, that's really hot and they want to

596
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: have the frost to say the sugars come up. My

597
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 5: theory is it's not the sugar's coming up, it's the

598
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: nitrate levels dropping to turn it from being bitter into

599
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 5: what the plant should be when we balance.

600
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Speaker 4: Out the nutrients.

601
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: So you know, yeah, you can throw a ton of

602
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: nitrogen on a Braskas plot and it looked gorgeous, but

603
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: you're actually putting too much nitrogen on there that the

604
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: nitrate levels are too high. It takes longer for the

605
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: plant to mature or more cold weather to drop that nitrate.

606
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: Level down to balance it out.

607
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: So with all of the testing that we've been able

608
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 5: to do through chasing giants and you know obviously real

609
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: world and green prairie, we've started to see over the years,

610
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 5: especially starting with our clover blends, different things that spike

611
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: on the tissue analysis that the deer basically stay away

612
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 5: from for a period of time, and as that balances

613
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 5: itself out different times of the year, it'll be more attraction.

614
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

615
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: So that's why using blends of products is so important,

616
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: because you're hedging your bet, like saying right now in

617
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: we're recording in late March, there's certain plants that are

618
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 5: extremely palatable right now, where others are not palatable at all.

619
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Speaker 4: So when a company.

620
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: Does a blend all of these kind of work in

621
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: a gant charts at different times of the year, different

622
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: times of the hunting season, deer will prefer it. If

623
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: you went in and just went all in on one

624
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: plant and said I'm going to plan a field of

625
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: purple top turnips, well guess what, there's going to be

626
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: a window that they absolutely hammer them, but through a

627
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: whole hunting season they'll probably avoid it.

628
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: So if if a.

629
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Speaker 5: Land manager a hunter is trying to really dial in

630
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: their food plot program and they're looking at this thing

631
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: and say, oh, this looks awesome. I'm going to have

632
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: every deer within three radio miles come into my food

633
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: plot and no deer there, I would guess that it's

634
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 5: either an intrusion part or possibly the wrong type of

635
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 5: product for that specific window that they're looking at. You know,

636
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: it really gets back to the science of it, or

637
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 5: it could just be that they're over using it. You know,

638
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: with intrusion, they're trying to over complicate it. They're trying

639
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: to be in there doing every little gizmo when you know,

640
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 5: the philosophy that really we've studied under Dawn is less

641
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 5: is more, give them what they need, be as diverse

642
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: as possible, and stay out. But us as humans, I.

643
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Want the over want, we want a family, want to

644
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: over complicate it.

645
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: I want that next little.

646
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: Gizmo, that next little easy button from Staples to say,

647
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to attract everything. And sometimes we hurt more

648
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: than we do.

649
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: But man, out of those.

650
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: Three silos of what considered failures, the most devastating emotional

651
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: thing that you can have is you got this lush

652
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: field or this thing that you've strategized, and you had

653
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: sleepless nights on how many you know, rolls of quarters

654
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 5: of I hidden from my wife to invest in my property.

655
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: And the deer aren't there. Uh.

656
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: My guess is at some point they'll be there. It's

657
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: just isnt the wrong time for the wrong strategy. But yeah,

658
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 5: I mean, man, you talk about the man in golf.

659
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Speaker 5: I can get up on a tea box and I

660
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Speaker 5: can snap hook one into the into the left woods.

661
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Speaker 4: But guess what I can drop.

662
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Speaker 5: One hit another shot man with With stuff like this,

663
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Speaker 5: when you're talking about food plot failures, the emotional toll

664
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Speaker 5: that takes on you because you got another year before

665
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Speaker 5: you can kind of recover from that. And uh, it's

666
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Speaker 5: a whole lot, it's a whole lot more heartbreaking than

667
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Speaker 5: just teeing up another ball.

668
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Speaker 4: And taking them just ball mulligan.

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Speaker 1: Real real quick. For people that maybe having planted corn

670
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Speaker 1: or beans, and and we'll break this down to Kentucky

671
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Speaker 1: and where you're at in Illinois, what are just some

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Speaker 1: loose planning dates for someone to consider, Like, Hey, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't even know when I need to be

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Speaker 1: planning my corn or my beans. I know I'm seeing

675
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Speaker 1: farm equipment, you know, roll out a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: But is there a rough window to give people an idea,

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Speaker 1: Like if you're in Kentucky and you know, follow that

678
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Speaker 1: band east and west and then Illinois, like rough dates

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Speaker 1: for both of them. And I know we're you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I'm not I'm going to answer this question, but

681
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Speaker 5: you are not asking it, and you're probably not going

682
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Speaker 5: to like it.

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Speaker 4: But here's here's the thing.

684
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Speaker 5: And it's tougher for out of state guys than people

685
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Speaker 5: who live here. So you know, for me to say

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Speaker 5: when am I planting in Illinois is extremely tough because.

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Speaker 4: I'm not there every day. When I had a.

688
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Speaker 5: Corporate job, I had to plan vacation to go.

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Speaker 4: You know. Now I have some being self.

690
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Speaker 5: Employed with you know, I can go whenever. But it's

691
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Speaker 5: really tough for the guys who say I gotta take vacation.

692
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Speaker 4: And pick a date.

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Speaker 5: I would rather be in the spring a little early

694
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Speaker 5: with food plot products than late, and in the fall,

695
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Speaker 5: I would rather be a little late than early.

696
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Speaker 4: So if I can unpack that just a little bit.

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Speaker 5: In the optimal world, do we watch and repeat what

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Speaker 5: the farmer's doing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So let's.

700
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Speaker 5: Just break that down and say corn corn is really finicky.

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Speaker 4: You want to basically.

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Speaker 5: Choose the right day corn for your area. So the

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Speaker 5: further north you are, the shorter the day you are.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So say one.

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Speaker 5: Hundred day one hundred and nine day corn you get

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Speaker 5: up into Minnesota, you might be a ninety ninety five

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Speaker 5: day corn.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So I know there's listeners from all over the country

710
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Speaker 5: that listen to this content.

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Speaker 4: So again, don't take me literally.

712
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Speaker 5: If you want to raise corn, what I suggest you

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Speaker 5: do is find a local road crop farmer and say

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Speaker 5: what corn horn maturity do you plant? And try to

715
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Speaker 5: mimic that as best you can, and.

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Speaker 4: Then obviously, uh, you know.

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Speaker 5: On the soybean side, I'm a big proponent, and I

718
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Speaker 5: don't want to make this a real world commercial, but

719
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Speaker 5: I'm a big proponent of a blend of soybeans because

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Speaker 5: you're hedging your bet.

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Speaker 4: If if I'm a farmer.

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Speaker 5: I want to go in and I want to plant

723
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Speaker 5: soybeans that are going to have the best yield for

724
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Speaker 5: that specific soil type and that geographic area, if you know,

725
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Speaker 5: and they have crop insurance if something fails. Right with soybeans,

726
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Speaker 5: I don't want to be I want to corn. I

727
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Speaker 5: want to get the best optimal day maturity, plant it

728
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Speaker 5: at the best time as early as I can. But

729
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Speaker 5: but on soybeans, I would rather plant a little bit later.

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Speaker 5: So in Illinois or Kentucky, I could plant anytime in

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Speaker 5: May and be perfect because I'm hedging my bet with

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Speaker 5: four or five different group numbers of beans that if

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Speaker 5: one doesn't like the weather conditions, or one maybe one

734
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Speaker 5: shatters because of an early frost, I got three or

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Speaker 5: four others that are right behind it. So in an

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Speaker 5: optimal world, I would say pattern your farmer. If you

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Speaker 5: can't do that, maybe put a trail camera. This is

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Speaker 5: what I did. A couple of weeks camera on the agfield, okay,

739
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Speaker 5: so I could see when they planted, and on my soybeans,

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Speaker 5: I wanted to be two weeks after the local farmer

741
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Speaker 5: planted theirs. And the reason for that is a young

742
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Speaker 5: soybean plant is the most desirable from a tissue analysis.

743
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Speaker 4: It's like third cutting alfalfa.

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Speaker 5: And if I let the neighbor plant all of his

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Speaker 5: soybeans and get a two week jump start on those

746
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Speaker 5: deer going to disperse over big open agfields in Illinois.

747
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Speaker 5: You know, we were holding so many deer in these

748
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Speaker 5: wood pockets in open egg right, so they disperse out

749
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Speaker 5: and and try to get the browse pressure. I come

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Speaker 5: in behind it a week or two later, and basically

751
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Speaker 5: I disperse it. If you're the first thing that germinates,

752
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have every year in the county within you

753
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 5: know they're so hungry that time of year. But you know,

754
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Speaker 5: if you're picking a date, watch your weather and you

755
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Speaker 5: know sometime in May for.

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Speaker 4: Where I do it.

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Speaker 5: Last year, because of my flexible schedule, I was able

758
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Speaker 5: just to pick a short window with those rains and Jake,

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Speaker 5: I mean It's absolutely crazy that I had three hundred

760
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Speaker 5: acre a bushel corn three and food plot corn. I

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Speaker 5: sent SAMs off to the agronomist and they're like, oh

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Speaker 5: my goodness. And it had nothing to do with my

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Speaker 5: skill set.

764
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Speaker 4: It had nothing. It was like I hit.

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Speaker 5: The lottery when it came to when I put it

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Speaker 5: in and when I got rain at you know, when

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Speaker 5: it tasseled out, and then we had that, you know,

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Speaker 5: I spell, and I still had three.

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Speaker 4: Hundred and food plotcorn. Crazy, absolutely insane.

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Speaker 5: And I've had years where it looked like grain sorgum

771
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Speaker 5: out there because.

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Speaker 4: But man, a lot of it's just hitting the end.

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Speaker 5: The novice food plotter corn is the least forgiving of anything.

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Speaker 5: It takes more equipment, it takes more input costs, but man,

775
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Speaker 5: in the late season, it's just it's so so awesome.

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Speaker 5: Beans are probably the most forgiving outside of your fall

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Speaker 5: food plots, because man, you can just broadcast them, get

778
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Speaker 5: good soil contacts.

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Speaker 4: So guys with.

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Speaker 5: Four wheelers, you know, like a plot master toe behind

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Speaker 5: can do plata.

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Speaker 4: But I mean you can put.

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Speaker 5: Out a lot of acres with loaned equipment without you know,

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Speaker 5: no til drills and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But to circle back to your original question.

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Speaker 5: In an optimal standpoint, I'm getting my corn in as

787
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Speaker 5: early as I can. I'm patterning that after farmers, especially

788
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Speaker 5: with mardy rates with beans. I'm I'm really looking at

789
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Speaker 5: my chemical plan based on like I don't have mayors

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Speaker 5: taro and water hip here in Kentucky, but I have

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Speaker 5: a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of it in Illinois.

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Speaker 5: So I got to plan my chemical program completely different with.

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Speaker 4: Both of those.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of just fantastic resources out there if

796
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Speaker 5: you know where to look, and we try to We

797
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Speaker 5: try to put a lot of that content out with

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Speaker 5: with Chasing Giants.

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Speaker 1: But you guys made a booklet here. I ordered one

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Speaker 1: with all the different chemicals and what they do. I

801
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Speaker 1: was just looking to see it in the house that

802
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Speaker 1: I would show mine.

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Speaker 4: Basically, I'm glad you brought that up.

804
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Speaker 5: I didn't want to make it a commercial, but we

805
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Speaker 5: like a handbook. It's almost one hundred pages that are

806
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Speaker 5: soil depth, fertilizer requirements, drill settings.

807
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Speaker 4: How to apply your fertilizer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, stuff that doesn't even have anything to do

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Speaker 5: with our businesses, just as a resource guide. Real world

810
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 5: dealers have access to it, or you can buy it

811
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Speaker 5: on Real worlds called the Land Management Handbook. We're just

812
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: trying to get our printing costs back. It's it's trying

813
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 5: to be an education. So say you looked at our

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Speaker 5: soybeans and you wanted to plant agg soybeans because the

815
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 5: local farmer had it for free, no problem, same use

816
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 5: the same methodology on it. So fall plots, I think

817
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: guys plant too early, they get they get too rambunctious,

818
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: and say, I got to have Well, if you're planning

819
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: the right blend of products, you're going to have stuff

820
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Speaker 5: in that blend that they won't eat early anyway, and

821
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Speaker 5: you got stuff that at first germ, like say a

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Speaker 5: winter pee that comes up, that's going to be mass attractions.

823
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Speaker 5: So I really like in both of my areas to

824
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Speaker 5: plan around that first week is September. And trust me,

825
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Speaker 5: my hunting season opens the first week Timber. So I

826
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Speaker 5: feel everybody's pain that you want to have a green

827
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Speaker 5: field before opening weekend. But I try to get around

828
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Speaker 5: rain the first of September and not do this, you know,

829
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Speaker 5: planting in late July early August.

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Speaker 1: I heard that it's been brutal that.

831
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Speaker 5: Affects purity season a whole lot more so.

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Speaker 4: I hope I answered your question with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that no excellent. Well, Terry, where can people follow along?

834
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Speaker 1: I know you guys have a lot of different things

835
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Speaker 1: going on, but where's the best place for people to

836
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: reach out if they have bootblack questions?

837
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Speaker 5: Obviously, Chasing Giants is our main platform.

838
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: We have a weekly podcast with Don Higgins.

839
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 5: We have a team of guys that are out not

840
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 5: only doing hunting videos, but habitat videos and a lot

841
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 5: of different styles, So a lot of people that don't

842
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 5: necessarily agree.

843
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: With Don or I and how we do stuff.

844
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: There's like twenty five people doing habitat videos. So you

845
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 5: might even see a hingecutting guy on there every now

846
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 5: and then, and that's fine. We're just trying to put

847
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 5: different content out that a guy can say, that's my situation.

848
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to apply that idea. And then obviously all

849
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: the Chasing Giants weekly podcasts on all platforms, and then

850
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 5: at handbook. It's probably the best tool for people if

851
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: they want to go in and have that hard, big

852
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 5: book in their truck to reference.

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Speaker 1: At Yeah, when they need to go buy chemical anything else.

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00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, how to.

855
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 5: Plant a fruit tree? I mean, I don't sell fruit trees.

856
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: I don't care, but it's a resource for everybody. You

857
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 5: can find that at real Wildlife Products dot Com in

858
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Speaker 5: the miscellaneous category.

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Speaker 4: I believe awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you there. You guys have some great insight from Terry.

861
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Speaker 1: Some some key takeaways for me are going to be

862
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Speaker 1: planning those soybeans a little bit after the roll crop

863
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: farmers get them in and really question what else goes

864
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Speaker 1: into food plots and what are those three silos that

865
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Speaker 1: may be a shortfall for your farm, your parcel, or your

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Speaker 1: permission piece, whatever the case may be. Next up we

867
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Speaker 1: have Jared Van He's out of Michigan. He deals with

868
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Speaker 1: not ideal Midwest soils. And here we go. All right,

869
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Speaker 1: we have Jared who owns ground in Michigan, has a

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Speaker 1: lot of background of food plots, food plot seed, all

871
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Speaker 1: the different shortcomings and wins that can be related to

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Speaker 1: food plots. You know plenty about us. So I have

873
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Speaker 1: this issue. I have this issue that maybe a lot

874
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Speaker 1: of people feel like I plant food plots in the spring.

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Speaker 1: I do the fall food plots, but every year it

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Speaker 1: just feels like the deer aren't using them. They're not

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Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity that I was dreaming when I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, out there in a hundred degree heat playing

879
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: my food plots, or all these different visions of watching

880
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: deer on TV and YouTube where everything goes perfect. What

881
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: am I doing wrong? What?

882
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: What is?

883
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: What are some things that I can potentially address?

884
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I hear you. I love and breathe this

885
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 6: stuff more than I like to admit. It's it's kind

886
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 6: of a passion deal here and I've been there. We

887
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 6: still have some some times where things don't go as planned.

888
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: You mentioned something there about the what you see on TV,

889
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 6: and I think that's very common. I think a lot

890
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 6: of these food plotters who are are getting into it,

891
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 6: who have the ground, it looks, it looks easy. But

892
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 6: you know, in addition to that, there are a lot

893
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 6: of things that I see done wrong on multiple properties

894
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 6: all the time. I think, you know, kind of obvious,

895
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 6: but stand I'm sorry. Food plot placement. You know, a

896
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 6: lot of guys will see an opening and that's the

897
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 6: easiest spot to plant, and I agree it is, but

898
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: it might not be the right spot to go. I

899
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 6: think lack of cover around the food plot is huge,

900
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 6: and we can dive into these further. I'm just going

901
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 6: to kind of go off the top here, and then

902
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 6: access is a big one. How do you get there?

903
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 6: How do you get out without a learning deer? For instance,

904
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 6: I never step in my food plot ever during season,

905
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 6: unless I'm tracking a deer, going to get an arrow

906
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 6: that I shot under a buck or something like that.

907
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 6: And then like, what does your property have as a

908
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 6: whole or what is it lacking compared to your neighbors.

909
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 6: We talk about that all the time, about being the

910
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 6: exclusive property, being the differentiator in your neighborhood. So those

911
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: are just a couple there.

912
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: So you had mentioned placement. So let's let's run through

913
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: a scenario. Let's say you have an open area on

914
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: it's a south access farm, and so you know there's

915
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: a little quarter acre, half acre, one acre opening that

916
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: maybe there was crops there at one time or whatever

917
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: the case may be. Unfortunately for me to get anywhere

918
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: on my property, I have to go buy it. So

919
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: at that rate, are you better off not to potentially

920
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: plant food there or what things could you potentially utilize

921
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: to overcome that that access slash placement issue?

922
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: You check the words out of my mouth, Jake. My

923
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 6: first thought was don't plan it? Yeah, right, Like find

924
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 6: somewhere that you can get to without making noise, possibly

925
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 6: being seen or being smelled as you're as you're going

926
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 6: through there. For instance, you could do some screening in

927
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 6: there if you if you're really had I wouldn't even

928
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 6: plan it. Nope, I wouldn't even plan it. You could

929
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 6: screen the edges, you could try to get by it,

930
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 6: but for the type of year that you and I

931
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 6: are usually after, and a lot of our listeners here,

932
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 6: they're not gonna They're not gonna be there if you're

933
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 6: walking by it every time you go to hunt.

934
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Okay, let me run a different scenario by you. What

935
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: if it's five acres and you have clean access and

936
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you like to gun hunt, and you have other places

937
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: to go, would you potentially plan it then and have

938
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: a blind setup where you can just walk twenty yards

939
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: into your property and have this big you know, green

940
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: to grain transition or whatever your imagination would be, and

941
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: have that as the centerpiece of your farm. Was that

942
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Is that a consolation prize to that to that issue?

943
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 6: I think so, I think you're you're making lemonade on

944
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 6: the lemons here. I think you could get a destination

945
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 6: food plot in there. You know, it's gonna be tough

946
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: getting under your truck and whatnot and getting to that spot,

947
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 6: especially after dark. But I think that if you screen

948
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 6: your your one edge, your access edge very heavily, you

949
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 6: get the blind hidden very well, and you're using the

950
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 6: right wind. You want that destination food, I do think

951
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 6: you do. If it's not on your neighbors or somewhere

952
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 6: else where, you can play off of that. But yeah,

953
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I wouldn't just let it go to waste,

954
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 6: but there's got to be a plan to it and

955
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 6: a strategy to it, and walking through it or going

956
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 6: by it is not the right one. So if you could,

957
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 6: if you could get downwind of the majority of food,

958
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 6: if you could plant that and a heavy switch grass,

959
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 6: maybe a bunch of hingecuts so where you can get

960
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 6: by there up into your blind, then you have a

961
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 6: nice perch with your gun. I think that's doable.

962
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Okay, what about spring versus fall food plots? Right now,

963
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: people potentially are maybe wanting to try a spring food plot.

964
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of benefits to them. But

965
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: run through why someone should consider doing a spring food

966
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: plot versus letting to go to weeds or maybe they

967
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: had a fall food pot and there was no clover

968
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: in it, and there's rock. There's a bunch of riders

969
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: typically and a lot of food plots, and the rise

970
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna get up and it's gonna seed out in June.

971
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: What are the pros and cons of doing nothing versus

972
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: doing a spring food plot to either just give me,

973
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: give me, give me the remedy because there's a lot

974
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: of there's so many different variables of this.

975
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 6: No, no, I have a couple of things coming to

976
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 6: mind that you mentioned. One of them weed suppression. That's

977
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 6: that's a good one. I do think that the droughts

978
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 6: we've had the past four years, you know, uh, planting

979
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 6: in August has been hit or miss, you know, even

980
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: for me.

981
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: So mainly miss mainly. It really has been for a.

982
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 6: Lot of people, seriously has And I've seen that firsthand.

983
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 6: And I think that you know what I did this

984
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 6: year to combat those get out there and frost seed

985
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: a bunch. You know, that's even before spring. And then

986
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 6: I think, you know, you can take advantage of that

987
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 6: rainy spring, get some some food in the ground. I

988
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 6: like nitrogen fixing mixes. That's kind of what we normally

989
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 6: run soybeans a sorghum are our spring mix nitro boost.

990
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 6: But like that, even if it doesn't grow well or

991
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 6: I should say it has some weed competition in it,

992
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 6: you're still providing food on this parcel all summer. You know,

993
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: if you just magically pop a food plot up in

994
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 6: the fall, that's wonderful. But I mean if you get

995
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 6: a deer who's gets whose comfy there, you're not accessing

996
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 6: it all summer, you're not pressuring it and he's eating

997
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 6: soy beans, he's eating sorgum, he's he's munching on spring clover.

998
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 6: I think that behooves you for sure. And then you're

999
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 6: protecting the ground from you know, weeds, invasives, bare soil,

1000
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 6: from the sunlight, drying it all out. There's quite a

1001
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: bit of advantages to it. Now that being said, spring

1002
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 6: food plots are not always the easiest. You know, you

1003
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 6: do have weeds, you have grasses you need to control.

1004
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 6: There are there are tricks to the trade.

1005
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: But what are some of the tricks of the trade.

1006
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think a clothtum treatments very helpful.

1007
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 6: I think using you know, the way you plant the

1008
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 6: seed in the ground to get it started. You have

1009
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 6: access to rent, maybe a drill, or if you can

1010
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 6: get that seed covered up and get something going early

1011
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 6: frost seeding. That way, you're not you know, sitting there

1012
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 6: in late May, June, July, wishing your plot will get started.

1013
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 6: It's good to get something out of the ground. And

1014
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 6: even in the fall. You can do that by what

1015
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 6: you plant to have it pop up first thing in

1016
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 6: the spring. Rye grand red clover that'll come up in

1017
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 6: the spring and give you a head start. We've just

1018
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 6: been burned too many times recently with this drought, and

1019
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 6: I'm doing the same thing over here, combating that that

1020
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 6: same result again for twenty twenty six.

1021
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that that makes a lot of sense,

1022
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: so real quick for people who aren't familiar with clefton,

1023
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: what is that? What's the selected purpose side?

1024
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: What is that?

1025
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Is it pre emergent? Is a post emergent? What is

1026
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: that killing? Or what are you mitigating by spraying it?

1027
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a grass specific herbicide. And what that does

1028
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 6: is it kills anything else to grass based. The problem

1029
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 6: with spring plots is the cool season grasses come up

1030
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 6: first before the plants that we want, you know, cooler

1031
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 6: in the spring, they're coming up the same as the fall.

1032
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 6: Late in the fall, they're still growing while the good

1033
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 6: stuff we like has already died or terminated from the

1034
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 6: frost and whatnot. So I mean, try think about your lawn.

1035
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 6: If you go plant something in your lawn with an

1036
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 6: already established mat of grass, it's not even going to

1037
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 6: be able to get through that. So you got to

1038
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 6: eliminate that competition.

1039
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1040
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 6: We use some all natural fertilizers and stuff like that

1041
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 6: to give it a boost, but the number one is

1042
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 6: to eliminate that competition. So cleth is what we call

1043
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 6: it is. It's available most places, and it's a good

1044
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 6: one to start with because I tend to run into

1045
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 6: cool season grass is quite a bit in the spring.

1046
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: So you on a farm in the upper part of Michigan,

1047
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: not the up but the upper part of Michigan, we're

1048
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: soil aren't great. I live in Illinois pretty darn lucky.

1049
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some plots where it's like, holy yeah,

1050
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: I think I got two hundred bushel corn out of this.

1051
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Uh so I'm spoiled from from that staff. But for

1052
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: someone that has sandy, acidic or you know, not great soil,

1053
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of times when you're carving out a

1054
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: food plot, oftentimes it's not great soil. So what can

1055
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: people Maybe that's the root of some of these issues

1056
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: for some people who are like, man, you know, my

1057
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: my Braskas are you know they look like golf balls

1058
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: instead of what you see on the magazine where there's

1059
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: big as your head. What are some things that people

1060
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: need to be aware of. What if the soil quality

1061
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: is not ideal, and what can you do short term

1062
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: and long term?

1063
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 6: I'm great, I'm glad you brought that up. I think

1064
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 6: you know. The brask issue you mentioned there is is

1065
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 6: usually an overpopulation of seed. You're planning them too close together.

1066
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 6: They're over competing with themselves, they're out competing themselves. But

1067
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 6: I think lining your soil is is going to be

1068
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 6: one of the best things you can do on acidic

1069
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 6: ground or you know loa me ground just just low

1070
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 6: you know, luster food plot ground like I have quite

1071
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 6: a bit of my area without lining, your fertilizer doesn't

1072
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 6: work as well. The plants don't grow as well, they

1073
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 6: don't taste as well, they don't uptake the nutrients like

1074
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 6: they should. So really, before you do anything, and I

1075
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 6: know this has you know, been talked about get a

1076
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 6: soil test and line line that ground. It's a pain.

1077
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 6: The bags are heavy. You know you're spending money, but

1078
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 6: without that, you're kind of wasting money on the back

1079
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 6: end with fertilizers and seed that don't really have the

1080
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 6: true potential that they need. So that's a huge one.

1081
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1082
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: What's your if you have what are you planning this spring?

1083
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: I guess is and and maybe are you playing anything

1084
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: in spring this spring? On the crappy soils? What are

1085
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: you what's your silver bowl out here for people to

1086
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: try to build up the organic matter and amend these

1087
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: challenging soils so hopefully long term they start seeing more

1088
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: success or there's more nutrition for the deer, and you

1089
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: know all the fringe benefits of.

1090
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 6: That great question. Down here, I'm planning which is which

1091
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 6: is more clay based sweat. I'm planning a lot of

1092
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 6: premium or annual and you know perennial clover along with

1093
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 6: some alf alpha. I frosteded all that in and that's

1094
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 6: going to be spring up north. On the sandy stuff,

1095
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be drilling in what we call nitro boost,

1096
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 6: which is just a very diverse mix of clovers, legumes,

1097
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 6: there's some there's some grains in there, and we just

1098
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 6: let that grow all spring and summer. Save your sorghum

1099
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 6: coming up, your soybeans, you know Forde soybeans, all this

1100
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 6: stuff that puts nitrogen from the air into the ground,

1101
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 6: into the dirt. It fixes nitrogen, is what that term is.

1102
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 6: And they they work for us all summer. They fertilize

1103
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 6: for us all summer. And what that's doing. When we

1104
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 6: go to plant our fall food plot, we terminate that

1105
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 6: and that just breaks down and feeds soil. So eventually

1106
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 6: we're gonna be able to turn that soil into something

1107
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 6: with a higher sec more organic matter, and you have

1108
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 6: some food in there for the next planting. Where normally

1109
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 6: on crummy sandy soil like I have like a beach,

1110
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 6: it just drains out right. Fertilizer drains out, everything just

1111
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 6: runs right out the soil. Sand drains very well. And

1112
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 6: that's what normally happens. So I take a nitro boost.

1113
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 6: I like to crimp it or even I mean, whatever

1114
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 6: you have. You can till it in lightly, you can

1115
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 6: disk it down, mow it off, but just feed that

1116
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 6: soil like a system, over and over on top of

1117
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 6: each other and you're eventually you're gonna you're gonna see

1118
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 6: some improvements for sure.

1119
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: There Richard, we know Richard.

1120
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Richard.

1121
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: There was a really this was this is stuck with me.

1122
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: There was a we were on a farm and there

1123
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: was a CRP buffer strip along this field and then

1124
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: the rest of it was conventionally farm. We took a shovel,

1125
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: said look at this and it was, you know, completely

1126
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: solid chunk of dirt and they took a chunk of

1127
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: where the CRP where you know, like it's way more

1128
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: organic matter, all those different roots, and you could actually

1129
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: see life in that soil. And I feel like oftentimes

1130
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: that's a really good comparison of what you're obviously trying

1131
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: to aim to build the organic matter build up the soil,

1132
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: and that's what CRP does, or all these different things

1133
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, where instead if you have a

1134
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: a clump of dirt or you have a little miniature

1135
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: organism underneath the ground. So that's it was just crazy

1136
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: because it's line boom boom, and it was two completely

1137
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: different types of soils, even those same field.

1138
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that what that's doing that

1139
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 6: CRP and some of the different seed types in that

1140
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 6: nitro boost mix that we plant. They are different root depths, right,

1141
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 6: So those native grass is going on super deep, and

1142
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 6: what that's doing is it's mining the nutrients is bringing

1143
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 6: up for the plant, and it does that in all

1144
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 6: different columns of the soil where the farm ground, the

1145
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 6: disk ground. You're kind of resetting that every year and

1146
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 6: having to redo that. So we try to keep living

1147
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 6: roots in the soil as many days out of the

1148
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 6: year as we can. The microbiology feeds off that they

1149
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 6: do better for the dirt plants. And then, like I said,

1150
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 6: those different root structures of sunflower versus the soybean versus

1151
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 6: sorghum plants, clover, they all have different root depths, so

1152
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 6: they're all grabbing nutrients from different spots or different depths

1153
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 6: in the soil and bringing those up to that green plant,

1154
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 6: which we then terminate and put right back down on

1155
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 6: top of the dirt. So yeah, no, I'm not surprised

1156
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 6: you saw that those buffer ships are awesome. Native grasses

1157
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 6: are awesome for that and just different ways to keep

1158
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 6: those roots living as long as you can.

1159
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, wonderful. Any other from vitalized seeds where you know

1160
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: an FAQ that you want to address right now, and

1161
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: then we'll wrap it up here.

1162
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think one thing that people always want to

1163
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 6: know is you know how much fertilizer? What do I use?

1164
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 6: You know what do I do with my soil? I'm

1165
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 6: having this issue. I'm having that issue. We take every

1166
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 6: customer and we talk to them and we help them

1167
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 6: out when they have questions. We sell soil tests, but

1168
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 6: that's not the point. The point is when they get

1169
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 6: the results, we know how to prescribe to that issue.

1170
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 6: And I think that synthetic stuff that you can buy

1171
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 6: it at the TSCs and whatnot, that's just going to

1172
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 6: be a short fix. Your soil is going to tighten up.

1173
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 6: I think some natural fertilizer, all organic slow release stuff

1174
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 6: that's going to feed your soil longer. It's gonna be

1175
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 6: healthier for your plans. And that's something definitely to to

1176
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 6: do in the spring, anytime with the year. But just

1177
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: get that soil test, get the micronutrients in there, get

1178
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 6: that pH up, and then feed it the correct food

1179
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 6: and then that's going to be your best way to go.

1180
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 6: I mean, you can tell the dirt up, you can

1181
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 6: do the stuff you have with the equipment you have.

1182
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 6: But if you can move this way a little bit,

1183
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 6: it's gonna pay off over time.

1184
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 4: I like it.

1185
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Jared. There you guys have it.

1186
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: There is Jared's opinion on why your food buses aren't

1187
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: producing what you really are hoping for. Next up we

1188
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: have Kyle with Team Radical. Let's go and kick it off,

1189
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: all right. Up next we have Kyle with Team Rat. Kyle,

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: You've planted a lot of food plots over the years,

1191
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: You've shot a lot of big bucks over food over

1192
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: the years, and I think it's likely a pretty big

1193
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: part of your overall plan for success every year. But

1194
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of people out there, they plant the

1195
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: food plots, they watch your YouTube channel and they're like, Man,

1196
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I don't have mature bucks or I

1197
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: don't have all these different things coming in and having

1198
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: these magical food plot hunts I plan on every spring.

1199
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: I do fall food plots, but it seems like the

1200
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: deer are not using them. What are some potential reasons

1201
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: why this could be the case?

1202
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: WHOA, that's loaded. But there's a lot of things. I mean,

1203
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 7: I guess the general consensus a lot of people think

1204
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 7: that you just go plant a food plot and deer

1205
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 7: just magically supposed to come there before you even decide

1206
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 7: what you're planning. Really need to decide, in my opinion,

1207
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 7: the location, I mean, the design of the food plot,

1208
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 7: I think is equally as important as what the actual

1209
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 7: product that you're putting out is. And the size is

1210
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 7: going to vary, you know, is it a small little

1211
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 7: kill plots, you know, quarter half acre? Is it a

1212
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 7: destination plot where you can put three to four acres

1213
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 7: of you know, soybeans or corn something like that. All

1214
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 7: those things vary so and if you don't have that too,

1215
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 7: you know, I know we talked about this on one

1216
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 7: of your other podcasts. Is you know, paying the farmer

1217
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 7: to leave some mad crop, whether it's beans or the corn,

1218
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 7: and just knock it down periodically throughout the season. And

1219
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 7: maybe you might have just a small little cove plot

1220
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 7: that you can plant, you know, plant that in clover

1221
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 7: and chicory. You know, I kind of talked to you

1222
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 7: about this a little bit at the Peoria Show here

1223
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 7: this past weekend. But you know, someone was really brought

1224
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 7: someone that's really prominent in the honey world was really

1225
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 7: actually batching clover, and it just blew my mind. I took,

1226
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 7: I took, I took a fence to it. Let's put

1227
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 7: it that way, because we over in my opinion, is

1228
01:01:53,800 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 7: like the easiest, most inexpensive, attractive, fail proof plots that

1229
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 7: I feel like you can possibly plan. You know, we

1230
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 7: just got done doing the frost seeding here Central Illinois,

1231
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 7: and it's it's just so easy and fail proof. You know,

1232
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 7: you're talking about fall plots. Fall plots. The last two

1233
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 7: to three years we've had significant drafts in the fall,

1234
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 7: and you go and do a fall plot, I don't care.

1235
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 7: You can try to get a you know, a buggy

1236
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 7: up there and water it and do every decoration measure

1237
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 7: you can think of to try to get it, but

1238
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 7: it's still not going to be sufficient enough. Really. If

1239
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 7: it is, you put in a ton of time, money

1240
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 7: and work to get that little fall plot to take off.

1241
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 7: But and then if you don't get it to come up,

1242
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 7: you know, then you don't have a good stand or

1243
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 7: you don't have anything there for the season to draw

1244
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 7: the deer, turkeys, whatever in. And the other thing too,

1245
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 7: when while we're on fall plots is I've noticed this

1246
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 7: is a huge trend I've been seeing over the last

1247
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 7: seven years which blows my mind, is planning the fall

1248
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 7: plots too early. And I get planning around rain is

1249
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 7: very critical, but you know, the last couple of few years,

1250
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 7: like I said, we've had a drought. But in a

1251
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 7: normal year, if you do catch a good some rains

1252
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 7: and you plan it, say really early, and I'm calling

1253
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 7: you know, end of July, very beginning of August. In

1254
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 7: my opinion where I'm at, that's too early because what

1255
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 7: will happen is that that product will get too tall

1256
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 7: and it'll be less palatable to the deer. It'll be

1257
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 7: pretty mature by the time season rolls around. And so

1258
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 7: many people, I think, forget that once deer season starts.

1259
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 7: It's like they think the fall plot is just done growing.

1260
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 7: That's not the case. I mean a lot of times

1261
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 7: special the last few years, they're growing all the way

1262
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 7: through November. So the taller once it gets over such

1263
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 7: highth you know, as cerial grains, whatever it may be,

1264
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 7: they become unattractive. You know, you see all the time

1265
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 7: these guys holding up these giant turn ups the size

1266
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 7: of their head or these giant brass cause you know,

1267
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 7: and they're just like bragging about, like, man, this is the.

1268
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 3: Best thing ever.

1269
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 7: That didn't send it to me. That's the last thing

1270
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 7: that I want. In my experience, they absolutely will not

1271
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 7: touch them. If you ever notice, whenever they pick those

1272
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 7: up and look at them, what do you notice first

1273
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 7: thand there's not a mark on them. You know why

1274
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 7: is because the deer weren't eating. Then that's exactly what

1275
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 7: you don't want. So that's been frustrating seeing a lot

1276
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 7: of people do that, and I hope they take that

1277
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 7: to the heart. But you know, fall plots are great

1278
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 7: if if you get the rain. They're also great to

1279
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 7: have where jullir beans into. You know, it's real. It's

1280
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 7: a like the cover crop. You know, farmers do it too.

1281
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 7: It's easy to kill off. It keeps them shaded. So

1282
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 7: many benefits to that. But yeah, I mean that's a

1283
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 7: mixed bag, right, I mean, food plot, size, destination, is

1284
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 7: it a kill plot? The design is extremely critical.

1285
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: And talk about design. So yeah, I'm giving you a

1286
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: paint brush. Paint me the perfect food plot. And I

1287
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: know it's so situational, but think think of the average

1288
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: guy that maybe has on the larger and an acre

1289
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 1: to play with right. So maybe it's a permission piece.

1290
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they just bought a small farm and they're like, man,

1291
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: I think I can. Yeah, you bring the chainsaw and

1292
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: a brush hog, and I you know, I don't have

1293
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: access to a skids deer or dozer or whatever the

1294
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: case may be. Like, it's design the perfect budget friendly

1295
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: food plot.

1296
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we're gonna go with clover and chickery

1297
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 7: right off the bat. I'm just gonna be honest with you.

1298
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 7: That's least expensive, easiest plant, most fail proof thing that

1299
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 7: you have frost seeding in. I mean you can do

1300
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 7: it with a handseater, you can do it behind a foiler.

1301
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 7: But my perfect plot if I had to design one,

1302
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 7: And again, this is gonna really vary on your deer

1303
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 7: density too. You know a lot of guys are saying, oh,

1304
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 7: I've got a food plot, but the deer just destroy

1305
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 7: it and I can't get it. The last you can

1306
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 7: do deer fence, with electric fence, whatever it may be.

1307
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 7: But I really like an inside corner of a food

1308
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 7: plot to be in greens, specifically chlover and chickery leading

1309
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 7: into the beans or corn. And like I said earlier,

1310
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 7: if you've got permission on this ground and you've only

1311
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 7: got a half acre. But it butts up to you know,

1312
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 7: the said farmer, big ag there. Well, is there a

1313
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 7: way that you can purchase an acre or two of

1314
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 7: that corn or beans, whatever it may be. But I

1315
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 7: want it to be secluded too, right. I don't want

1316
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 7: it exposed to the road. That's the last thing I want.

1317
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 7: I want everything as stafe away from the roads, out

1318
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 7: of visibility, out of sight, out of mind as possible.

1319
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 7: And then the biggest key is access and exit. You've

1320
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 7: got to be able to get in and out of there.

1321
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 7: You know, the last podcast I was on with you,

1322
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 7: I was hunting the two specific bucks there in December.

1323
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 7: I ended up having thirteen encounters with them before I

1324
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 7: finally got a shot, and I ended up killing both

1325
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 7: of them December twenty sixth and January. First, I think

1326
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 7: is when I got done. But a lot of people

1327
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 7: ask me like, well, Kyle, why don't you just go

1328
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 7: do a hanging hunt. Well, when you're dealing with sixty

1329
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 7: seventy deer a night coming in, you go and you

1330
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 7: make a move. You might beat the first ten deer,

1331
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 7: but those two mature bucks they're gonna be the smartest ones.

1332
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 7: They're coming in last, and you might bump, you might

1333
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 7: bust that, you know, fifteenth deer in his game over.

1334
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 7: And in my case, I was very fortunate to have

1335
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 7: my wife and kids drive up there on side by

1336
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 7: side and spook out the deer of an afternoon. If

1337
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 7: I didn't have that, I would not have hunted. Seriously,

1338
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 7: if I don't have a backup of someone to come

1339
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 7: up there and bump the deer out or something to

1340
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 7: bump bust the deer off other than me getting down

1341
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 7: and I can't get out of there smoothly, I won't hunt.

1342
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 7: It's it's literally that simple. So that was kind of

1343
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 7: long winded there, I hope that. Yeah, so maybe answered

1344
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 7: your question.

1345
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a all right, I'm putting you

1346
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: on the spot. I said I was gonna do that.

1347
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: How many gallons of water does it take to cover

1348
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: EQUI the equivalent to an inch of rain? How many

1349
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: gallons is your guests for, you know, three and sixty

1350
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: square feet for an inch of rain? When he talked

1351
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: about houling in water, I've done this figure and anyone

1352
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: that's a serious food potter has probably done this at

1353
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: one time.

1354
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 4: Like much water I've looked it up before.

1355
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 7: I can't remember, but I'm getting guess it's in the

1356
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of gallons.

1357
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: It's twenty seven thousand gallons of water for one acre,

1358
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: for one acre for one ache of an inch or one.

1359
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 7: Inchury yeah, yeah, so twenty seven thousand gallons.

1360
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: Of water, which is crazy when you think about how

1361
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: much rainfall really is. How many gallons of water comes down.

1362
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: We get two inches of rain across the giant area.

1363
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: So you're you're a big proponent of clover and chickory

1364
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: for the beginning of April. For someone's like, hey, I

1365
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: I just got access to a new piece, or I

1366
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: didn't frosteed. I knew I should have, but I didn't

1367
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: do it. Is it too late for them, or what's

1368
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: the strategy for them to get some clover and chickory

1369
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: in the ground before you look.

1370
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 7: At the forecast, like right now we've got, you know,

1371
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 7: maybe a couple few days left in the forecast that

1372
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 7: gets below freezing. The key the frost seeding is the

1373
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 7: freezing thal freezing though, when you can get it right

1374
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 7: around that day when everything is freezing and thalling, freezing

1375
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 7: and thalling, that's whenever you want to be doing.

1376
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 3: Your frost seeding.

1377
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 7: So, like I said, you're right at the tail end

1378
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 7: of it in my opinion, where I'm at at least

1379
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 7: for it to work. Things have started greening up, you know,

1380
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 7: this past week and we had some seventy degree weather,

1381
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 7: so's it's trying to green up super fast right now.

1382
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 7: But there are still a few days left with some

1383
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 7: freezing and falling. So yeah, you're right at the very

1384
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 7: end of it.

1385
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: What if, at least, what if you miss the frost

1386
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: seating is the next best thing to Can you just

1387
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: broadcast right before a heavy rain? Should you lightly disk?

1388
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:41,879
Speaker 1: What are some options for someone.

1389
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 4: You could do it?

1390
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 7: You could do a spring, I mean I would recommend

1391
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 7: a spring, a spring planning, but that would be more

1392
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 7: so using a drill if I'm being honest, Or if

1393
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 7: you do broadcast, like you need to make sure it's

1394
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 7: covered a little bit. You need to work to dirt

1395
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 7: and make sure it's covered a little bit. But that's

1396
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 7: tricky with clover, right, I mean, you can't. You do

1397
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 7: not want the planet too deep. That's why I love

1398
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 7: frost seeding. In my opinion, doesn't matter what the product is.

1399
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 7: If if I could frost seed it. Same with switch

1400
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 7: grass for bettingh switch grass. I love the frost seed

1401
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 7: because Mother nature will not fail as far as when

1402
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 7: it comes to planning. It will get that seed in

1403
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 7: there freezing falling. But hitting those dates is crucial. But yes,

1404
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 7: you could do a spring I would recommend it in

1405
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 7: the spring if you miss the frost seeding, but yes,

1406
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 7: you need to have a really good seed bed if

1407
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 7: you're going to do it in the spring.

1408
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever add in a nurse crop like oats

1409
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: on a spring planting of glover chickery or do you

1410
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: typically only do that for a fall planning?

1411
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, I I don't even do

1412
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 7: spring plannings at all of clover and chickery. I know

1413
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 7: a lot of people do, but I I typically I

1414
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 7: focus primarily on frost seeding when it comes to clover

1415
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 7: and chickery primarily. Okay, but yeah, that would be that

1416
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 7: would be great to do with some oats or a

1417
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 7: cereal grain like that. It'll help give it shade whenever

1418
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 7: it starts warm up and keep it covered. And that's

1419
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 7: another thing is everybody wants to those really beautiful plots,

1420
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 7: you know, just thick lush I personally like to, especially

1421
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 7: the last few years, you know we've had drought weather. Well,

1422
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 7: I mean something shading in that clover is very very

1423
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 7: important because a lot of people mow it too often,

1424
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 7: and what it'll do is it'll burn up that clover.

1425
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 7: So I'll actually min' actually look pretty nasty honestly for

1426
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 7: quite a while before I will ever mow it. You know,

1427
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 7: if I do mow it, I'm gonna mow it right

1428
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 7: before a rain that I know for sure is coming,

1429
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 7: And I might mow my clover literally maybe once or

1430
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 7: twice totally leading up the season, and it ends up

1431
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 7: looking you know, phenomenal, about six eight inches high. You know,

1432
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 7: mow it just knocking those heads off on the on

1433
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 7: the white ladino clover, and it works fantastic.

1434
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: Gore's question for you, as far as maintenance goes, you know,

1435
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: like a straight clover plot, I feel like the maintenance

1436
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more straightforward. Is there any

1437
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: nuances for someone that does clover and chickory as far

1438
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: as herbicide use? Are you just typically you know, clipping it,

1439
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: mowing it maybe on a on a normal year, twice

1440
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: a year, three times a year.

1441
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 7: Right, I mean, yeah, you're gonna get some grass of

1442
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 7: stuff and you can do some clethtum and stuff like that.

1443
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 7: But I'll be honest with you, I've been on a

1444
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 7: no chemical program for like the last probably four or five.

1445
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: Years for everything, just doing.

1446
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 7: As far as for the clover chicker, yeah, yeah, I don't.

1447
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 6: I don't.

1448
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 7: I don't spray it. No, I literally just do the

1449
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 7: mowing at the right time. Like I said, you know,

1450
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 7: whenever you mow it too many times and you're mowing

1451
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 7: constantly throughout the summer months and everything, that's just going

1452
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 7: to encourage new weeds and everything to grow. But if

1453
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 7: they're shaded out, that clover will just sit there and

1454
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 7: just create a carpet taller and lusher and thicker. And

1455
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 7: that's why I wait, I mean, I'm really trying to

1456
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 7: keep it shaded and keep it cool, let it grow

1457
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 7: for when I wanted the most right for during deer season.

1458
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: I want you to think not exclude late season. So

1459
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: exclude late season, exclude the soybeans when we got snow

1460
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: and everything else, but from October and November, first part

1461
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: of November or December. Excuse me, how many sits on

1462
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: average are you actually sitting on a micro plot or

1463
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: a green plot or something like to that nature, Just

1464
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: to illustrate that, because I think a lot of people's

1465
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: issues come down to they plan a food plot, they

1466
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: want to sit in the stand, they want to sit

1467
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: and look at their work multiple multiple, multiple times over

1468
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: over the year, and a lot of times access gets

1469
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: brought up in every single deer hunting podcast ever, but

1470
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: it still doesn't hit home for a lot of people, Like,

1471
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, they do mental gymnastics stuff like, well, it's

1472
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: not that bad, but you know, I do scared deer

1473
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: when I walk in, and I do scared deal when

1474
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: I walk out, But I don't think it's that bad.

1475
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to illustrate how often you're really hunting

1476
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: these or how much are these you know, a key

1477
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: component to the bigger picture for hunting, maybe one hundred

1478
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: yards away or two hundreds away.

1479
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, uh so, October, I'm primarily on those microplots, right,

1480
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 7: I mean the greens, specifically clover and chickory, And I

1481
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 7: hunt a lot of observation sets which might not be

1482
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 7: right over the plot, but I don't have the right

1483
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 7: wind direction. But I'll be honest with you too. I'm

1484
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 7: relying on trail camera intel as well, telling me you know, hey,

1485
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 7: well and historically you know this buck is hitting this

1486
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 7: plot first two weeks he likes it on this win.

1487
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 7: Another thing too, I think is not overemphasized us enough

1488
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 7: is more stands in a smaller area, meaning more stands

1489
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 7: closer together. Because educating you can educate that target buck

1490
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 7: you're after really quickly. It only takes literally one time

1491
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 7: and you can educate them. So I'll bounce around quite

1492
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 7: a bit. Or I've got some spots, you know, where

1493
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 7: i just want to go sit that's further away, that's

1494
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 7: not where my target buck's at. The wind direction's right,

1495
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 7: and i just want to see what's coming out out there.

1496
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 6: I'll go do that.

1497
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 7: Leading into November, it's really depending too on the weather,

1498
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 7: but primarily, you know, the rut is starting to kick

1499
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 7: in and start the seeking phase. I'm more off of

1500
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 7: those plots, whether it's a micro or a big plot destination.

1501
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 7: I'm more in the timber then in the transition areas

1502
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 7: close to the food, but not right over the food,

1503
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 7: if that makes sense. I'm looking for those pinched down

1504
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 7: areas that are really close to the food. In between

1505
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 7: the bedding. The transition specifically is what I'm after, trying

1506
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 7: to catch them from bed to food or from food

1507
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 7: to bed in between that path there.

1508
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that's all really great advice. And is there

1509
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: any other again, And I'll.

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Speaker 7: Be honest with you too, Jack, I didn't mention this,

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01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,440
Speaker 7: but e bikes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're great, life changing.

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01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you can call me lady whatever you want.

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 7: But it is the least amount of footprint that you

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 7: could have right getting in and out. I've noticed lots

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01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 7: of times I've drove by deer on ee bikes and

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 7: they just will not run. But if I walk past them,

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 7: they're they're ready to run to the next county.

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01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: Those e bikes are fantastic for driving right up to

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 7: your tree, staying you're blind, whatever I mean, And I

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 7: will make them in accordance do that. So I can

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 7: do that, I can get in and out extremely quick,

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01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 7: quietly and leave no footprint. That's also been huge, huge

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 7: for me.

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Speaker 1: As far as if people think of a think of

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: a message or an example of someone will reach out

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01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: to you or someone called you and said, hey, Kyle, man,

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01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: my I'm just struggling with my food plots. What is

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: the common theme with that is it? Is it planting dates?

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: Is it the location? What if you had to say

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: one thing to lead people with to be self reflective

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: of how to build a better plan for this upcoming year,

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01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: what would you tell them?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think one thing is too many people plant

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 7: too many food plots in general. If they every square

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01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 7: inch they have, they want to plan a food plot.

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 7: I think the general sense of what you need to

1539
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 7: realize is that every single food plot that you plan

1540
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 7: in decreases your odds of being in the right place

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01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 7: at the right time while you're hunting. But with that said,

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 7: you need to have enough to where you're not educating

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01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 7: over just one plot. And if you only have one plot,

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 7: you need to take into consideration that these deer are

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01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 7: going to pick up what you're doing, and you have

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01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 7: to adapt to the situation because the deer are going

1547
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 7: to adapt to the pressure and whether it's you know,

1548
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 7: they might move closer to the dark, or they're taking

1549
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 7: a new route to get to the plot, whatever it

1550
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 7: may be. And I think, yes, again, you know, I

1551
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 7: just talked about fall plots where I see a lot

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01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 7: of people planning them way too early. And they're way

1553
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 7: too mature in the deer or just not hardly touching

1554
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 7: their food plot, and they're mad about it. They'll send

1555
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 7: me a picture and they've got the most beautiful lush,

1556
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 7: you know, cereal grain with rat whatever plot and it's

1557
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 7: twelve eighteen inches tall, looks like just a carpet. And

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01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 7: I'm like, that's the that's the last thing that I

1559
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 7: want right there, you know, I'm wanting it six eight

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01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 7: inches tall tops, and the deer will absolutely destroy it.

1561
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 7: It's young and tender. They they really like it better.

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 7: And I've done it both ways. I've seen it firsthand,

1563
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 7: experienced it myself because I actually planning on the right dates.

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01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 7: You know, I tried before I left for an out

1565
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 7: west hunt, but we caught several rains back to back

1566
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 7: to back, so that stuff just grew like fire and

1567
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 7: they got too tall. By the middle of the season.

1568
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 7: It was too tall and less palatable to the deer.

1569
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 7: But that's a huge thing, huge mistake that I see.

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01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 7: And then the biggest thing too for a lot of

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01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 7: food plots, whatever it may be, is the seed bed.

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 7: They're trying to, you know, grow this beautiful food plot,

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01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 7: and they just have a terrible seed bed, whether it's

1574
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 7: just thick grass, you know, and they they kill off

1575
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 7: the grass, but all that that is still there, and

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 7: they go in there and plant their food plot and

1577
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 7: you know it's there. Don't get the stand that they

1578
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 7: wanted a good seed bed. No matter what you're planning,

1579
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 7: is is always critical. So those are some common mistakes

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 7: that I definitely see quite often.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, thank you so much, Kyle. Where can people

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: fall along with what you have going on and maybe

1583
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: watch some of your hunts where they're going to see

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: this in action.

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of them.

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01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 7: You can check us out on YouTube, Team Radical on YouTube,

1587
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 7: follow us on Instagram, Team Underscore Radical, and you can

1588
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 7: find us on Facebook Team Radical Outdoors. But we're on

1589
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 7: those three socials, and yeah, we've got a lot of

1590
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 7: hunts on there, especially a lot of white tails, mostly

1591
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 7: all bow hunting. That's an hard thing we didn't really

1592
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 7: talk about much, but I'm primarily only bow hunting. I

1593
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 7: focus primarily on bow hunting basically only. So everything I

1594
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 7: do is set up for bow hunting, which will only

1595
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 7: be better or as good great for you know, a

1596
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 7: gun hunt, whatever it may be. So I did forget

1597
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 7: to mention that, but yeah, if you're looking to watch

1598
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 7: them good bow hunting videos, check us out.

1599
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: All right, folks, welcome back to Back forty. I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this episode. Next up, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have a topic that I think you guys will really appreciate,

1602
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: and it is simply the more effort you put in,

1603
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: why are you not having more success? White tail hunting

1604
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: is one of those weird things where not always the

1605
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: more effort you put in the more you're able to

1606
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: reap the benefits of that labor. Sometimes it is so

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Speaker 1: that will be the next episode of Back forty. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed this format. We're gonna be filtering

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Speaker 1: through different panel of experts and guests throughout the year.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 6: See y