Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: Is not holding in a training camp all right.
Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It is Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I am Dan hansis joined by the heroes Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: and Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: Humpday, humpday?
Speaker 2: Is it a hump day?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: It's the excitement of football being back. It's it's back.
Speaker 1: It's back everyone. Actually, I don't want to start. I
Speaker 1: don't want to start the show with sad news, sure, Mark,
Speaker 1: but I do have to share some tragic news out
Speaker 1: of Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Sorry to hear that where I am.
Speaker 1: I regret to inform everyone listening right now that the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Pittsburgh Steelers died reporting to camp later
Speaker 1: than all thirty one other teams in the league. It's
Speaker 1: over and then this has been data that is backed
Speaker 1: up year after year. The team that reports last finishes last.
Speaker 1: Steelers fans, you heard it from me first, but I
Speaker 1: express no pleasure here. It's over. Come back next year,
Speaker 1: ready to go earlier than the rest of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: have the last.
Speaker 5: I guess what surprises me is because not only during
Speaker 5: the run of this show, but throughout the course of
Speaker 5: our lives as football fans. The Steelers have always been
Speaker 5: a well put together organization. They draft well, they develop
Speaker 5: players well. They seem to know how to tackle a
Speaker 5: regular season, especially under Mike Tomlin. There is so much
Speaker 5: data that supports that the team that shows up last
Speaker 5: is essentially you're off. Why would they be behind the ball.
Speaker 5: This is a Detroit Lions trick from the past.
Speaker 6: It's the first thing they teach you in analytics school
Speaker 6: day one. Whoever shows up last does worse. And it's
Speaker 6: a big loss for Mark too, because he famously this offseason.
Speaker 2: Are going to win games.
Speaker 1: Ain't that the way? Mark?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: What happened to teams side jumped on their bandwagon last
Speaker 5: year was essentially one death after the next.
Speaker 1: The Steelers just got ahead of it by falling behind it.
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't notice. I should note on the
Speaker 1: other end of things, the first team to report way
Speaker 1: back in July nineteenth the New York Football Jets.
Speaker 3: The Browns had the option to report the nineteenth.
Speaker 1: They chose to party a couple more days and report
Speaker 1: the twenty first.
Speaker 3: Mark, I know that doesn't.
Speaker 5: Matter to you, but I think that theme game, I
Speaker 5: think that plays out correctly with what probably will happen
Speaker 5: to the Cleveland Browns this season.
Speaker 6: It is quite a move by the Steelers, like most
Speaker 6: of the league, the majority of the league showed up
Speaker 6: to work on Tuesday, started practicing Wednesday, and the Steelers said,
Speaker 6: you know what, for all the extra days off we
Speaker 6: have and the lack of tackling and this and that
Speaker 6: that the CBA has built into exit, we just needed
Speaker 6: other day.
Speaker 3: Rest in power kings around the NFL.
Speaker 1: We had a great app with Connor Orr on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Team slogans, we're gonna dig in deeper today with rap
Speaker 1: Sheet in studio. I was trying to think we had
Speaker 1: rap Sheet infamously the Peacemaker episode from Santa Monica last summer. Yep,
Speaker 1: we've had him, I think remotely before.
Speaker 3: How many times he's been in the studio.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's ever.
Speaker 2: Hands Maybe not this studio, I think so.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's been in this studio. Chris Wesling,
Speaker 5: we's always been at combines, owners meetings, you know, out
Speaker 5: outdoor type stuff.
Speaker 1: So we'll dig in with Ian on a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: The running back Saquon Barkley coaches on the hot seat.
Speaker 1: We'll ask him about a maybe a budding internal rivalry
Speaker 1: with the pell Raiser, who's you know, making moves, whether
Speaker 1: Ian Watson admitted or not for the crown of top
Speaker 1: insider at NFL media, it's fair to say, Greg, I
Speaker 1: know you're on top of those things. Pell Raiser, I
Speaker 1: know the golf buddies, but you know he wants it.
Speaker 6: It's been a trend. Ian notices it. The pell raisers profile,
Speaker 6: especially with the news drop on this show, has been rising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll ask him about the newsdrop toocause I'm sure Ian, it's.
Speaker 5: Got to get under your skin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, anything else, Mark, what's going on with
Speaker 1: your laptop? Yesterday you didn't have any laptop at all.
Speaker 1: Now for the listeners and check out the YouTube show.
Speaker 1: You have a it's a silver glitter cover to your
Speaker 1: MacBook and then what appears to be a black cat
Speaker 1: or kitten covering up the Apple. We don't have a
Speaker 1: corporate relationship with Apple the NFL, so that's that's smart
Speaker 1: from a business standpoint, but kind of an insane laptop
Speaker 1: for a middle aged man to have.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't deny that that takes it. I
Speaker 5: don't deny that, but you know I was in a pinch.
Speaker 5: I told do that my actual work dished out, laptop
Speaker 5: has died.
Speaker 3: Yes, And this led with that after our long run.
Speaker 5: This profession matters to me, showing up to work and
Speaker 5: you know, researching for the show and being capable matters
Speaker 5: to me. So in my downtime between our last episode
Speaker 5: and this, Uh, I did the requisite work to find
Speaker 5: new technology.
Speaker 6: But you chose a bit with that cat sticker on.
Speaker 6: You could have put any sticker on. But I do
Speaker 6: know that a cat in any of your IG stories.
Speaker 6: Followers will know this. People got to check mark out
Speaker 6: on Instagram that a cat has entered your life, that
Speaker 6: that I think you have a loving relationship with. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so it's a big cat.
Speaker 5: Well it was a bit of a uh, you know,
Speaker 5: because I spent you know, four plus decades thinking the
Speaker 5: cats were total junk and I kind of learned that's
Speaker 5: not true.
Speaker 1: I just, I mean, I thought we were on the
Speaker 1: same page as that. Everybody kind of knows. Here's another
Speaker 1: hot take, and Eric, we need to work out something
Speaker 1: behind the glass. I had a hot take about the
Speaker 1: Dodgers yesterday. Let's come down with the cats.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not I don't think I'm riled up.
Speaker 5: I just think that my opinion has changed. I don't
Speaker 5: I'm not're not loving creating. Am I running up and
Speaker 5: down the hallway at work telling people about cats.
Speaker 2: It's ignorance.
Speaker 6: It's just playing and simple ignorance, Like like when you
Speaker 6: kind of rule out or judge any I've tried Creed PCs.
Speaker 5: Why would you need to judge any animal, Dan or animals.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. We offer opinions and insights. Tearing
Speaker 1: around the NFL Cats, Eric, you're a big time Dodgers spent.
Speaker 1: It occurred to me after the show I buried your
Speaker 1: favorite baseball team, saying the twenty twenty World Series title
Speaker 1: was fugazy because of the shortened season, a pandemic and
Speaker 1: all that. How do you feel about that? Do you think?
Speaker 1: Because I think, for instance, you got nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: the Kirk Gibson year, and then if you go to
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium you'll see right next to eighty eight twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and I think there should be an asterisk or something
Speaker 1: next up. Is that?
Speaker 7: Disagree completely with it? That's why I don't really push back.
Speaker 7: I think, though that season is odd. My defense on
Speaker 7: that as always they it was level playing ground across
Speaker 7: the league. Everybody had the same amount of games, same
Speaker 7: little bubble amastur in the playoffs, and I know for
Speaker 7: a fact if any other team would have won that
Speaker 7: twenty twenty year, they would have claimed it just as
Speaker 7: much as I do.
Speaker 3: Yes, as a Yankee fan, I probably have to say
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 1: But I'm not right.
Speaker 2: But I am not running around tote in that one.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, oh, you remember twenty twenty? That was fun?
Speaker 7: I mean it was fun. Yeah, I don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7: I watched most of the games. I watched the playoffs, right,
Speaker 7: but I'm not like, I trust me. My wife bought
Speaker 7: me a shirt has a shirt big ring on it
Speaker 7: says World Series Champions twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: You weren't even on the earth when Kirk Gibson did
Speaker 5: Who's a Theatrical?
Speaker 1: I was not okay the break lights and yeah, Chavez
Speaker 1: Ravine went off over the right field bleachers, all the
Speaker 1: fans that had left thinking Eck was going to close
Speaker 1: it out until he hung that slider. Greg, But I
Speaker 1: do was it you that pushed back or you had
Speaker 1: stated that maybe the Bucks title is a little fugazy nice.
Speaker 3: You said was I didn't say that was connor O
Speaker 3: connored it.
Speaker 1: I thought the Bucks I legit because they played the
Speaker 1: full set.
Speaker 2: I think they're all legit.
Speaker 6: They played what they could in many obvious ways. It
Speaker 6: was harder for those group of men to achieve that
Speaker 6: than in any other year. Of course, the fan enjoyment
Speaker 6: it wasn't the same at the time because they couldn't
Speaker 6: for the Dodgers because you caldn't be there, You couldn't
Speaker 6: get the whole build up of a whole regular season,
Speaker 6: So they missed out on that. But I I think
Speaker 6: diminishing those accomplishments stupid.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna have a take? At some point
Speaker 1: in today's episode, you shot me down on having a
Speaker 1: cat take. Now, I can't have a COVID take about you.
Speaker 5: Whatever take you have, But it's a better show if
Speaker 5: we don't.
Speaker 1: He keeps dismissing my takes.
Speaker 8: Well they're absurd, all right, that takes you're dismissing them.
Speaker 6: We we we all were gone for a few weeks.
Speaker 6: We like, you know how they're always like, oh you
Speaker 6: know Kobe, Kobe always worked on one thing every off season.
Speaker 6: He's like, you got to add something to your game
Speaker 6: or else you're falling behind. And then this year during
Speaker 6: my off season, I was like, disagree as much as
Speaker 6: possible with Dan's tape.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be my new thing.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to picture of what the workout is. You're
Speaker 1: watching old at ns and stuff and be like wrong, wrong,
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he know my lovable Morris from childhood?
Speaker 1: I didn't. But maybe a nice feeline. Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: Chargers coming into this one.
Speaker 4: Just a lot of money on fourth down, but two
Speaker 4: or three today the original voice of Herbert has time,
Speaker 4: all kinds of time rowing do is right to the
Speaker 4: end zone and that passes caught.
Speaker 7: Touchdown Chargers Herbert to Keenan Allen, the captain with the connection.
Speaker 1: There. He is the voice of the Chargers and yes,
Speaker 1: the former voice of God. For the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: Matt Muney Smith with the call justin Herbert. Yes, he
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 3: He was different from the moment he landed with the
Speaker 3: Chargers and was came into the lineup under strange circumstances
Speaker 3: when poor Tyrod Taylor got an injection on some sore
Speaker 3: ribs that led to a Pierce Lung as I recall,
Speaker 3: and that the Chargers are kind of forced to put
Speaker 3: in the rookie, and then he entered the lineup immediately
Speaker 3: and became a star. And cut to a few years
Speaker 3: later and the Chargers get it done with Herbert, keeping
Speaker 3: him in the long term on a five year, two
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two million dollar two hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: two and a half million dollar contract extension through twenty
Speaker 3: twenty nine. It's just the latest domino Greg here with
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks. It was Lamar Jackson before him, and it
Speaker 3: will be Joe Burrow most likely after him, who will
Speaker 3: make just a little bit more money than Herbert did.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of funny, Greg in this era where
Speaker 3: and we were talking about like you were coming down
Speaker 3: hard on agents in the past few months on this podcast.
Speaker 3: It's like, all this seems to be is you just
Speaker 3: at the move.
Speaker 1: It a little bit past and everyone does their job
Speaker 1: and everyone's happy. So I could tell you what the
Speaker 1: Borough contract will be will be a little bit more
Speaker 1: than this one in terms of guarantees and the ability
Speaker 1: to say he's the highest paid player ever right now
Speaker 1: Herbert is congratulations to him and his whole fam and
Speaker 1: Chargers fans. Your team got the deal done. A cheap
Speaker 1: franchise historically payout big for your QB.
Speaker 6: It's great to see, if you like, justin Herbert and
Speaker 6: the Chargers in any way, that the Charges just did
Speaker 6: the thing that quality franchises do.
Speaker 2: It wasn't drawn out.
Speaker 6: I think there's a few different things that are interesting
Speaker 6: about Herbert, but just on the money situation, he did
Speaker 6: accept probably less than he could have if he wanted
Speaker 6: to push it, and everyone has their different reasons for that,
Speaker 6: and I appreciate. I think I'm done with sort of
Speaker 6: judging players for what they wanted to do. When you
Speaker 6: look over the entire seven years, because it was an extension,
Speaker 6: his average is more like forty two total fully guaranteed
Speaker 6: money at signing was like one thirty three, you know,
Speaker 6: considerably less than than Lamar in some of those. So
Speaker 6: it wasn't as good as Lamar's contract. Really, it's fine.
Speaker 6: There's there's a no trade clause in there, which gives
Speaker 6: him uh some leverage down the line. It gives the
Speaker 6: Chargers some flexibility. To me, it looks more like the
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes deal. It's seven years in total, where it
Speaker 6: really gives the Charges a lot of flexibility of how
Speaker 6: they want to move money around in the future, and
Speaker 6: that he didn't push for everything to be up front.
Speaker 2: He basically said, this is enough.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna be on this team a long time
Speaker 6: and I'm not gonna like push this to the end degree.
Speaker 5: I'm with you. Sorry, it's like the go he's making
Speaker 5: a till a cash hairball there.
Speaker 1: I don't know time for his first analysis of the show.
Speaker 1: He waited for the moment he has a cough.
Speaker 5: I mean this happened, yeah, one seventy three shows, so
Speaker 5: I don't think it's anything new. It is such a
Speaker 5: manageable cap hit over this year and next you know,
Speaker 5: and then you then you then they'll just readjust the
Speaker 5: money at some point and move it around again. And
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers that if you looked at these
Speaker 5: these these the Bengals and the Chargers are both this
Speaker 5: a little bit a bit of hesitation from the fan base,
Speaker 5: like can the Bengals get this done right? Can the
Speaker 5: Chargers under the Spanos family get this done right? These
Speaker 5: are not like the most cash rich franchises around.
Speaker 1: We know that.
Speaker 5: And the Chargers just went and did it, and they
Speaker 5: did it with no drama, and I think that has
Speaker 5: a lot to do with Justin Herbert, who's a no
Speaker 5: drama type of guy, and it fits their organization perfectly.
Speaker 5: And Tom te LESCo has talked in the past about
Speaker 5: having zero fear about making this deal happen because he
Speaker 5: was baked into the Colts front office for fifteen years
Speaker 5: when they continually built around Peyton Manning and his deals.
Speaker 5: So this is similar to that. I think Tom to
Speaker 5: LESCo being the Chargers, there's an era of disappointment about
Speaker 5: how every season seems to end, but you look at
Speaker 5: what he's done, what he's built the quarterback, he chose
Speaker 5: the roster around him, and it's like, if you remove
Speaker 5: some of the kind of bad vibes around the team
Speaker 5: coming off last season, there's no reason they can't be
Speaker 5: an AFC title type team. The roster is strong all
Speaker 5: over the place.
Speaker 1: I want to believe everybody wants to.
Speaker 5: I want to. It's tough though.
Speaker 3: What was I mean, what is the what did they
Speaker 3: blow in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: What was that? Twenty seven to nothing was their last
Speaker 1: game they played? And Herbert has been so great and
Speaker 1: it's three years as starter and yet the team is
Speaker 1: twenty five and twenty four overall since he took over
Speaker 1: as the start. It's like, for me, this is the
Speaker 1: right move to do by the Chargers. I love Herbert
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. He's fun to watch. I would
Speaker 1: really like to see the organization now move forward. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did make the playoffs last year, but it was
Speaker 1: a horrific embarrassment for the organization how it played out.
Speaker 3: Let's see them make a run in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Le's see him get to the divisional round or even
Speaker 1: the AFC title game, because you do have the quarterback
Speaker 1: to do it. We always talk about it. We say
Speaker 1: the roster is there, and we could point to bad
Speaker 1: luck and this and that. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on the Chargers come up later with Ian
Speaker 1: as well, to make a run this year and show
Speaker 1: us that, yes, all this work building up to this,
Speaker 1: including now locking in Herbert, has made you a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. Show it to us. Don't do it again.
Speaker 1: Don't do the same thing again. Where we're building this
Speaker 1: team up next summer as Oh, it's all there, it's
Speaker 1: time to run, It's time to go, come out.
Speaker 5: The only thing I'd say tho is last year. Herbert,
Speaker 5: like the one thing I love about him, We all
Speaker 5: on this show, we love watching him, but like he
Speaker 5: battled through so much pain and physical pain, and like
Speaker 5: it's kind of forget about some of these injuries. It
Speaker 5: could barely move and run and throw, and it took
Speaker 5: in like a month plus or two months to kind
Speaker 5: of get that confidence back, I think in his own body.
Speaker 5: And it's like he never complained, he never flinched. I mean,
Speaker 5: the dude, it's just everything you'd want in a quarterback.
Speaker 5: And it's like a fully healthy season from justin Herbert
Speaker 5: can get to you all these places we're talking about.
Speaker 3: For the Chargers, we.
Speaker 6: Did QB rankings with Jordan rad Riegmark and the hardest
Speaker 6: thing for me was Herbert versus Burrow. Yeah, and I
Speaker 6: took I still would take Herbert. I actually would take
Speaker 6: Herbert over everyone except Mahomes, Like if I could just
Speaker 6: pick one, even Josh Allen, because I just think you
Speaker 6: see it all. You see everything. He's only been in
Speaker 6: the league three years. It's easy to forget that, like
Speaker 6: his QB Index for instance, like year end rankings, what
Speaker 6: was nine as a rookie, which is outrageous that you
Speaker 6: could think of him as a top ten reokie. I
Speaker 6: had him fourth in his second year. You had him
Speaker 6: fifth at the end of last year. That's just a
Speaker 6: crazy way to start your career mentally, physically, everything. I
Speaker 6: think the offense will open up things for him. He
Speaker 6: leads all quarterbacks in history in completions, touchdowns, yards through
Speaker 6: three seasons. I know it's a different generation and everything,
Speaker 6: but that's just wild to me. And if the Chargers
Speaker 6: somehow blow this. You drafted in a row Drew Brees,
Speaker 6: Philip Rivers, and Justin Herbert with literally no time in between.
Speaker 5: Right, was there a season because we always talk about
Speaker 5: the Green Bay Packers fans like Chargers fans at that
Speaker 5: quarterback and.
Speaker 6: I know it didn't happen for Breeze. The only ended
Speaker 6: up getting one year out of him. But the Facks
Speaker 6: are you drafted Breeze, Rivers, who I believe is a
Speaker 6: Hall of Famer, had at least five top five seasons.
Speaker 2: I think Herbert's going to have even more than.
Speaker 6: That that in a row like Bennett's on the organization.
Speaker 2: To your point, Dan that you're not making super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Come yeah. To be clear, I'm not putting the heat
Speaker 1: on Herbert to better. I think Herbert's a stud and
Speaker 1: he did battle through a really nasty injury suffered early
Speaker 1: last season. Yeah, let's see what happens.
Speaker 5: And one little nugget, I mean, I think that they
Speaker 5: recognized he was paired with the wrong offensive coordinator and
Speaker 5: Joe Lombardi a year ago. Kellen Moore has spent all offseason.
Speaker 5: They know each other, the friends, and it's just been
Speaker 5: totally collaborative. And I just I like the whole idea
Speaker 5: of Justin Herbert being completely unleashed under Kellen Moore versus
Speaker 5: what happened a year ago where he led the league
Speaker 5: and passes to running backs. It's like there was a
Speaker 5: lot of Drew Brees has sort of checked down and
Speaker 5: like late era Drew Brees. It's like, this is not
Speaker 5: that quarterback.
Speaker 3: Well, he was hurt too, same point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they change the game planners.
Speaker 5: Well, I think in generality, I think was not a fit.
Speaker 1: Ellen Moore is good that offense in Dallas.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Mark there you go.
Speaker 3: Who wondered who is that?
Speaker 2: I think one of our draft columnists at the website.
Speaker 1: One last point before we move on all this, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: We don't have to have discourse about how bad Patrick Mahomes'
Speaker 1: contract is every time. It doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: part of the conversation. Patrick Mahomes agreed to that contract.
Speaker 1: He's happy, he's a champion. I've just watched on on
Speaker 1: the Quarterbacks Netflix show the estate that he's building with
Speaker 1: his wife in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: He's doing beautiful.
Speaker 1: They're gonna rework the contract in time, and it's everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be. We don't need to talk about it. He's fine.
Speaker 1: He didn't take a big l on the deal. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's team friendly. Maybe that's helped Gregy build a champion
Speaker 1: around him. I'm just a little sick of that one.
Speaker 1: Do you disagree with that take as well? No, I
Speaker 1: kind of liked it when you were disagreeing with it.
Speaker 6: Fortunately, I think he yeah, he can do what he wants.
Speaker 6: He's doing fine. It's mildly annoying, like if you're Patrick
Speaker 6: Mahomes that you know, like Jalen Brown makes more money
Speaker 6: than you. But that's just different sports. It's a totally
Speaker 6: different sport.
Speaker 3: That is, they are very different sports, like.
Speaker 5: Now in basketball, it is completely different than basketball.
Speaker 6: Here we go, if you're like a sixth man who
Speaker 6: can play a good twenty five minutes a game. Like
Speaker 6: you're good on both ends. You can make you make
Speaker 6: like eighteen to twenty million dollars a year, like very
Speaker 6: few NFL players can do that. And that's just like
Speaker 6: you're coming off the I mean, I feel the same
Speaker 6: way about baseball contracts. Some just out of control.
Speaker 1: Why it's wrong with the baseball contracts compared I don't
Speaker 1: know half of them. Just guarantee you don't want the
Speaker 1: players to You don't want guaranteed money for the players.
Speaker 3: You wanted to stay in the owner's pocket. No, that's
Speaker 3: not right.
Speaker 5: I mean all have them just you know, sit around
Speaker 5: eating sunflower seats.
Speaker 1: Guaranteed money either goes in the owner's pocket or the players.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's the salary cap.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if justin Herbert CBA, if there was
Speaker 6: no salary cap, justin.
Speaker 1: Iber big corporate interests of America, that's what you're doing.
Speaker 5: You think that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That's what this is about.
Speaker 5: I don't believe that's my angle.
Speaker 3: Brock Purty good news for the Niners. He's ready to
Speaker 3: go quote unquote.
Speaker 1: According to John Lynch, he had a elbow injury suffered
Speaker 1: in the playoffs led to surgery. The hope was that
Speaker 1: he'd be ready at some point this summer, but he's
Speaker 1: cleared to practice. And with all the marathon discussions around
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, the former first round pick Sam Donald, who
Speaker 1: entered the Fray this year, if things work out, Mark
Speaker 1: hal Shanahan hopes it will all be for naught because
Speaker 1: party won't have any setbacks. In Week one, he'll be
Speaker 1: on the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a couple of months ago, I could
Speaker 5: have seen a reality where like someone like Sam Darnold
Speaker 5: is starting the first or second game of the season
Speaker 5: if perty weren't ready, and if Trey Lance, I think,
Speaker 5: is still someone that If you're the Niners, one of
Speaker 5: the best things that could happen is you still play
Speaker 5: Trey Lance a bunch in the preseason. He looks great.
Speaker 5: Maybe you trade him, but you also I think behind
Speaker 5: door number two is like I'm like pro brock Purty
Speaker 5: as much as anyone around, but like we still need
Speaker 5: to learn and discover if he is that guy we
Speaker 5: saw from that incredible run at the end of last year,
Speaker 5: which is so improbable, Like is he that player or
Speaker 5: like with an offseason of players diagnosing more of what
Speaker 5: Shanahan does, getting to know brock perty more as an
Speaker 5: opponent on tape, like maybe that he brings them back
Speaker 5: down to life. And then you have Trey Lance and
Speaker 5: it's like it still seems to me like a very
Speaker 5: muddled situation with a lot of questions.
Speaker 6: But we did get an answer, and we say it
Speaker 6: throughout the offseason like, Okay, when they show up for camp,
Speaker 6: you learn a lot. Some of these guys they say
Speaker 6: you're gonna be back, they're not back for a long time.
Speaker 6: Some of them, like Purdy, are surprisingly ready to go.
Speaker 2: We didn't know.
Speaker 6: I think they were tamping down expectations because they didn't
Speaker 6: want they did they didn't know, and they didn't want
Speaker 6: to set anything unrealistic. But they say no restrictions. That's
Speaker 6: that's sort of not true because he's only practice two
Speaker 6: out of every three days. So for instance, today's the
Speaker 6: first day and he's.
Speaker 2: Out, so that's restrictive.
Speaker 6: So but he is fully practicing in the other days.
Speaker 6: And the big headline to me out of this was
Speaker 6: they made it clear he's taking the number one reps.
Speaker 6: They're not messing around with like, oh, we'll do a
Speaker 6: little Lance, We'll do a little Donald. They're like, no,
Speaker 6: Brock Purty is taking our number one reps on the
Speaker 6: days that he's playing. Now, Lance and Darnald works out
Speaker 6: with with Purty out every third day for for a
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. We'll get their chances too. And Lance
Speaker 6: seems to be ahead of Donald. But that's a big
Speaker 6: statement Dan that it's like it's pretty's job. They're not
Speaker 6: really messing around.
Speaker 2: With a bat.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's the right way to play it. He's
Speaker 3: earned this opportunity.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say before we hand out lollipops,
Speaker 1: let's check that back in a couple of weeks. Sure
Speaker 1: he's throwing the ball a lot, and how his elbow
Speaker 1: is reacting to that. He's not obviously not gonna be
Speaker 1: taking hits or anything, but we got to see if
Speaker 1: that elbow can play the guitar that.
Speaker 5: Hold on the lollipop.
Speaker 3: If you're a rock party, we're just not gonnass him
Speaker 3: out yet.
Speaker 1: Let's pass out a lollipop though. To Andrew Thomas, the
Speaker 1: left tackle the New York Giants, who signed a five year,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen point five million dollar contract extension
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reported the deal includes sixty seven million fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Thomas was one of those guys in I want to
Speaker 1: say it was the twenty twenty one, twenty twenty draft
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of tackles available. The Giants were
Speaker 1: in that mix in the first like ten to fifteen picks,
Speaker 1: and they hit on the right guy. Last year, PFF
Speaker 1: graded Thomas as the league's sixth best pass blocking offensive
Speaker 1: lineman more a little more middle of the road Gregi
Speaker 1: as a run blocker according to their analytics, but the
Speaker 1: Giants like him a lot and now he will be
Speaker 1: protecting Daniel Jones in the long term.
Speaker 2: Great reminder for fans.
Speaker 6: Let's say of Evan Neil, who's also on the Giants
Speaker 6: draft in the top ten or I kim A Kanwu
Speaker 6: last year for the Panthers, like it takes a while
Speaker 6: for offensive lineman, Andrew Thomas was full ayd like in.
Speaker 2: The Radio New York media.
Speaker 6: For being a potential bust after a pretty rough rookie year,
Speaker 6: and then he's just been fantastic the last two and
Speaker 6: it's a reminder.
Speaker 2: Look who they've given them.
Speaker 6: I mean, they gave a lot of money to Dexter
Speaker 6: Lareen's a lot of money to Daniel Jones, a lot
Speaker 6: of money to Andrew Thomas, Like Gettleman is really having
Speaker 6: a renaissances like where's it does?
Speaker 3: Show you spe into But he got paid right, The.
Speaker 6: Positional value is not helping Saquon because everyone else is
Speaker 6: getting paid.
Speaker 2: But Gettleman had some good picks.
Speaker 1: A lot of money, a lot of money, and Barkley
Speaker 1: did get some vouchers for like free energy shakes in
Speaker 1: the team commissary mixed up for it right, well, not
Speaker 1: free but subsidized. He's paying only like three bucks for
Speaker 1: what should be like a six dollars a steal shake.
Speaker 5: That's a steal inside that building.
Speaker 6: You got to remember to cut the bring the coupon though,
Speaker 6: because sometimes you get to the front you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: I got the coupon, but it's back at home.
Speaker 1: They're like, and I should mention they only supply him
Speaker 1: with the blender and the ingredients has to make his own.
Speaker 5: I still think it's a fantastic deal for him on
Speaker 5: that front.
Speaker 1: On the shakes front, the Bears SEV signed tight End
Speaker 1: Cole Comet to a four year, fifty dollars contract extension
Speaker 1: according to Schefter, thirty two point eight million guaranteed. Whoo,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for co comet. But apparently
Speaker 1: they see him mark as a Justin Fields field stretcher
Speaker 1: or first down getter or red.
Speaker 5: Zone yeah, I mean Ryan Poles. Back in January, they
Speaker 5: kind of quized him like, you're you just had a
Speaker 5: really rough season win loss wise, like who are your
Speaker 5: like blue chip players on this team, and you'd like
Speaker 5: the probably wouldn't think there's too many of them. But
Speaker 5: he mentioned him like.
Speaker 3: Before the question was even out of come.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he came running tip, he came running to the
Speaker 5: one with that with that answer. So yeah, maybe part
Speaker 5: of it is just like they like him a little
Speaker 5: bit better than the average person. But I think he's
Speaker 5: an ascendant guy like he he seems to fit really
Speaker 5: well with Justinetterfield's well, you're right, they have to get
Speaker 5: it right. But he also there's there's some I don't know,
Speaker 5: sometimes teams do things that are like a little bit
Speaker 5: more than just the the on field performance. Because he
Speaker 5: grew up he's a grew up a Bears fan. His
Speaker 5: dad was with the team at some point in the nineties.
Speaker 5: I mean there's just a lot going on where.
Speaker 2: I think the famous Mark prep work.
Speaker 5: Trying to become something, and like, I think he kind
Speaker 5: of just fits. And you know, I can think of
Speaker 5: like when the Browns paid Dave in the joke who
Speaker 5: I was like, I really like Dave and n Joku
Speaker 5: half the time, and then he's killing you with a
Speaker 5: killer drop in the fourth quarter. He looks the part,
Speaker 5: and I know you like him a little more than
Speaker 5: I don't think. I think he's a Would you agree
Speaker 5: that he's a little hot and cold?
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, Comets. I like Comet better than enigmatic.
Speaker 1: Did you is it enigmatic that I say?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that you're calling him enigmatic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 5: Mysterious? Unknowable?
Speaker 2: So I had it, yeah, sure, a little up and down.
Speaker 5: I was taking all making sure. I like, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm an actual agreeing with you.
Speaker 1: He's a big he's a playmaker that has mental lapses occasionally,
Speaker 1: but I believe with better quarterback play he could ascend
Speaker 1: to the next tier of tight ends.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Greg, this is a I think Ryan Poles
Speaker 6: the GM also spending the cap space they have now
Speaker 6: in a way that they can save it for next
Speaker 6: year because they everyone got all excited about how much
Speaker 6: cap space the Bears had going into the offseason. They
Speaker 6: did what they wanted to, but they still almost had
Speaker 6: too much. I think there is such a thing as
Speaker 6: too much. They still had a ton just sitting there,
Speaker 6: and now you spend it on comment. Now, maybe it's
Speaker 6: a year early. I think it's a good value to you.
Speaker 6: I like Comet. I think he'll be more consistent than Nijoko.
Speaker 6: He's he only turned twenty four this offseason, so he
Speaker 6: was a very young rookie. That's another position where it
Speaker 6: takes a little bit to get going. A nice little player.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Titus Howard with the Texans at Chenna and Willsue with
Speaker 1: the Seahawks also get new deals, so they are happy
Speaker 1: and healthy in the bank account. And Greg and I'll
Speaker 1: turn it over to you for a little bit of
Speaker 1: an injury minute from training camps around the league. Up
Speaker 1: for the Steelers because they.
Speaker 6: Just started all right back on the practice field. No
Speaker 6: pop list for these gentlemen. Michael Thomas, how about that
Speaker 6: he's back again, Jack Leonard, Jack Leonard, this was a
Speaker 6: little bit of a surprise for me. You're gonna keep
Speaker 6: an eye on that one. Davonte Williams. We don't know
Speaker 6: if he's fully back, but he's not on the puff.
Speaker 1: That surprise.
Speaker 2: That's a good sign.
Speaker 1: His name was jacked up.
Speaker 6: That's big Kyle Pitts who's had this strange injury. I'm
Speaker 6: keeping an eye on it, but he's back. And then
Speaker 6: John Mechi, the Texans draft pick from a year ago
Speaker 6: who overcame the Akemia. So cheers to John Metchi because
Speaker 6: he was He was also the sideline in the off
Speaker 6: season just with an injury.
Speaker 2: The people on the.
Speaker 6: Pup list Dan Jonathan Taylor, this one looked like he
Speaker 6: had a procedure done this offseason. Is it maybe he's
Speaker 6: still overcoming that. I need to check that. I don't
Speaker 6: like that the minutes Breest Hall on the pup list,
Speaker 6: Von Miller, No surprise there. And then Tron Armstead, uh
Speaker 6: the left tackle always seems to be hurt for the Dolphs.
Speaker 6: Had a procedure that no one knew about in the off.
Speaker 5: Sea and he hurt himself working out. Try to stay
Speaker 5: healthy there, mister orm.
Speaker 6: Said Jonathan Taylor. There's something popping there. He's He's made
Speaker 6: it clear he's not. He's maybe the most vocal in
Speaker 6: terms of unhappy uh running backs out there.
Speaker 5: Because he would be up for a new he wants
Speaker 5: a new contract, right. This is not a great kind
Speaker 5: of a mess entrede there.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't have a lot of leverage in that department.
Speaker 5: I don't like the von Miller thing either.
Speaker 6: Yes, there was, Yeah, the ankle surgery was earlier this offseason.
Speaker 6: Recurring issues. They don't believe it's going to be a
Speaker 6: long stay. But he doesn't seem happy.
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Speaker 5: This is odd, strange mood?
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Speaker 3: Right back after this with the rap.
Speaker 1: Sheete James, all right, we're back. A little listener note
Speaker 1: before we throw it to rap sheet. This was recorded
Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago with Ian and it just so
Speaker 1: happened Greggie while we're talking to him, he's increasingly distracted
Speaker 1: on his phone, and he does like a walkout right
Speaker 1: after we're finished. And it turns out, and you would
Speaker 1: clarified this with a follow up.
Speaker 6: Text, Yes, as the ATM Media Insiders apprentice, I reached
Speaker 6: out to Ian and yes, he was working on the
Speaker 6: Justin Herbert contract, which he broke on Tuesday. And you
Speaker 6: could have figured out that we taped it ahead of
Speaker 6: time because I stumbled over that many times. Yeah, in
Speaker 6: this interview. But yes, that was why he was kind
Speaker 6: of giving us not his full attention at some points
Speaker 6: in the interview.
Speaker 2: But he handled it like it was.
Speaker 1: A little showy, the walk out and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: But it turns out I have to and you'll hear
Speaker 1: me kind of bury him a little bit. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: critiqued him, but in this case, yes, he there was
Speaker 1: a reason why he was doing that. And give him
Speaker 1: a little pop dack.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we'll listen to it. I believe
Speaker 5: you went so far as to suggest that he was
Speaker 5: just putting on an act just to walk out of
Speaker 5: the room, and actually he's working incredibly hard.
Speaker 2: Big story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they call him the rap sheet, the
Speaker 1: insider and a little shot across the bow of the
Speaker 1: pell raiser while we're here. All right, let's throw it
Speaker 1: to that conversation. Welcome back to joining us now is
Speaker 1: a man for damn? Over a decade now has been.
Speaker 9: What is this music?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Concert? There? It is what are
Speaker 1: you called the roar shack? That's a type of test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: however you hear it. It's very interesting see how different
Speaker 1: people here. Like Kyle Brant was on the program, I
Speaker 1: think during the pandemic and he said it sounded like
Speaker 1: an episode of Silk Stockings that he might have been
Speaker 1: watching in his teen years. Everyone seems to have different
Speaker 1: interpretations of it. You say, Phil Collins, it seems a
Speaker 1: little sultry for Genesis, but maybe Colin solo.
Speaker 9: I assume I'm waiting on the drums to come in.
Speaker 1: You know. This is the guy driving back to his
Speaker 1: apartment after he learned that his partner had been shot
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend or wife.
Speaker 3: Manum, yeah, you're too close to the case.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Ian Rappaport, everybody rap sheet you know we
Speaker 1: have this is let's start. There's start on a positive uhgative.
Speaker 1: Usually something comes up negative, but like one of the
Speaker 1: big faux paus of our show is if we have
Speaker 1: a guest and they're like on their phone during an interviewer,
Speaker 1: but rap sheet, it's kind of his brand.
Speaker 3: So I think maybe you get the past.
Speaker 1: So if you have to stay on top of things
Speaker 1: as you do, uh, as you did today in fact
Speaker 1: or earlier or yesterday with Saquon Barkley, yesterday we got
Speaker 1: we figured that and then I correct myself, but then
Speaker 1: you brought more attention to it. Just an issue, Eli,
Speaker 1: Make make this make sense, please, because it's very Saquon
Speaker 1: Barkley is tagged. Yeah, he signs. Is it technically the
Speaker 1: frame I chose to I do? It doesn't matter? Why
Speaker 1: would he choose the small amount of incentives and then
Speaker 1: set himself up to be attacked again next year? Make
Speaker 1: it makes sense?
Speaker 3: Because you broke the story about Barkley's deal with the Giants.
Speaker 9: Yeah, at yesterday, even though it's actually today, but yesterday,
Speaker 9: I was found out at midnight that this deal was happening.
Speaker 9: There's some things that needed to happen, and so I
Speaker 9: knew that it could probably break around seven Eastern time.
Speaker 9: And I'm on the West coast like you guys, So
Speaker 9: I was up at three point thirty am holding my
Speaker 9: phone like this, waiting to hit the button, which you know,
Speaker 9: what if something goes wrong? What if, like, come on, bro,
Speaker 9: what if a physical doesn't go well? Which I knew
Speaker 9: it was, but what if there's contract language that isn't good?
Speaker 9: Like it just I'm like, I better be up for this.
Speaker 9: Or what if someone else, you know, had it forty
Speaker 9: five minutes before and I was sleeping and then you're.
Speaker 3: Like, it's right there?
Speaker 1: Are you up?
Speaker 5: That was Steene information on on X and threads at
Speaker 5: this point duplicate type.
Speaker 9: Of when I remember I put it on threads, Yes,
Speaker 9: I threads is yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting being an insider. Before we get
Speaker 1: into some more barkley stuff, let's just a quick aside here,
Speaker 1: Like it seems like a terrible job, like a great job,
Speaker 1: and like the visibility and you make a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of money. Your salary is outrageous.
Speaker 9: Definitely not okay, but there's I don't do it for
Speaker 9: the salary, then.
Speaker 1: I get it. There's such a I did ask him
Speaker 1: before we started whether he's graduated to having a private
Speaker 1: car taking him from locations during his visit so in California.
Speaker 1: I wasn't joking. I feel like you might be able
Speaker 1: to get that into a contract negotiation. That's a conversation
Speaker 1: for you in charge of my own stuff. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: my point is, it feels like it's such a thin
Speaker 1: line of what you can end up getting buried for
Speaker 1: as an insider, and people are always looking for something.
Speaker 1: I think you had a tweet last month about a
Speaker 1: college coach that had an unfortunate ending to his career,
Speaker 1: and then I saw you popping up at websites.
Speaker 3: That people are getting on. I saw that, I read
Speaker 3: your tweet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this was worth you know, I just feel
Speaker 1: like something I say.
Speaker 9: It was about Pat Fitzgerald, and I said a dramatic,
Speaker 9: a dramatic conclusion or something like that. And originally I
Speaker 9: had a dramatic and correct conclusion, right, But I don't
Speaker 9: really love to like get out there and put my
Speaker 9: opinion on things because honestly, like I do not know.
Speaker 9: So I said dramatic, which is something that is sudden,
Speaker 9: something that comes out of nowhere and is sudden, and
Speaker 9: that a coach who had been there eighteen years getting
Speaker 9: fired was pretty dramatic, and people took it in a
Speaker 9: way that.
Speaker 3: I have a theory.
Speaker 9: It's just, you know, there was card for a lot
Speaker 9: of parsoning language and like, but here's the thing, I
Speaker 9: I don't think like you say, like it's easy to
Speaker 9: get yourself in trouble. I don't. I don't think it is,
Speaker 9: because everything that I would say in an interview, whether
Speaker 9: it's here or on radio, or on a show or
Speaker 9: on our shows or literally anything, it's all intentional. Like
Speaker 9: I don't like trip and fall and say something offensive,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? So like, it's not like
Speaker 9: I have to like, like, I don't really give my
Speaker 9: opinion on a lot of things. But I've been not
Speaker 9: giving my opinion on things for twelve years. It's not
Speaker 9: very difficult now. So like whatever I would tweet, I
Speaker 9: would say in a show or say to you, like
Speaker 9: I just it's not very hard to not.
Speaker 6: You don't fly off the handle much sometimes, but you
Speaker 6: want to, I think out loud.
Speaker 2: So sometimes people get upset. You get upset.
Speaker 9: Sometimes I do get upset, and but I don't fly
Speaker 9: off the handle ever.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like you still have as much I'm
Speaker 5: sure when you're a young journalist and you break news
Speaker 5: there's that rush of excitement, the thrill like do you
Speaker 5: do you do? You feel like the thrill is still
Speaker 5: get inside of your.
Speaker 9: That was fun. That was fun yesterday morning because obviously
Speaker 9: we're not taping this a day early.
Speaker 1: It's no time it was taped.
Speaker 9: That was like, so there's a lot of stress and
Speaker 9: like you know, if someone calls and say, hey, I
Speaker 9: got this contract extension, like put it out now, that's
Speaker 9: fun and exciting, and then like you do it and
Speaker 9: it's like woo and then it's over. The Barky one
Speaker 9: was stressful because that had to sit for eight hours,
Speaker 9: so like that was not a very fun night of
Speaker 9: sleep last night, honestly. But then you hit send and
Speaker 9: then you watch everyone's like reaction come in and you knew,
Speaker 9: like I knew that nobody knew this was happening. So
Speaker 9: to watch the reaction was like and it was positive.
Speaker 9: It's all positive. So I do enjoy that. I take
Speaker 9: the losses less bad than I used to, hmmm, because
Speaker 9: there's always something else, like if I get burned on something,
Speaker 9: or someone was supposed to give me something to give
Speaker 9: it someone else, or I thought I had something and
Speaker 9: it ended up getting out a different way. Like the
Speaker 9: DeAndre Hopkins scoop. I felt like I had a pretty
Speaker 9: good handle on that one. I've done a lot of
Speaker 9: DeAndre Hopkins stuff, and I did not break it. I
Speaker 9: had the money first, but I didn't have the team.
Speaker 9: Doug kead.
Speaker 1: Head heads out there were joyce for the.
Speaker 9: Former Patriots rider, but yeah I was. I was annoyed.
Speaker 9: But it's like, all right, like get the money, get
Speaker 9: the next It's it's such a long game that I
Speaker 9: handle the losses a little bit better.
Speaker 6: But the opposite of Bill Parcells who said as he
Speaker 6: got older, he no longer had the mental defenses to
Speaker 6: deal with losing, and my in my little experience just
Speaker 6: as a sports fan, I feel like I can identify
Speaker 6: with that.
Speaker 2: I think it gets harder as you get older to
Speaker 2: deal with the losing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, coming from a Patriots fan, but yeah and other sports,
Speaker 5: other sports, Yeah, Celtics ten losing.
Speaker 2: Still I'm in a post Patriots world.
Speaker 9: Losing still sucks. Like, don't get me wrong, but there's
Speaker 9: just so much that it's like like I work as
Speaker 9: hard as I possibly count on one thing, but then
Speaker 9: when it's over, it's always like I mean, you see
Speaker 9: on TV, like let's say a big contract happen, and
Speaker 9: well then it's like, okay, you talk about your contract
Speaker 9: for twenty seconds and it's like, what's the next. It's
Speaker 9: always sort of like onto the next, so like mentality wise,
Speaker 9: like that actually helps cause you move on so quickly.
Speaker 1: It's funny because that whole insider game. Also there's there's rivals,
Speaker 1: and you know you have a rival at ESPN. I
Speaker 1: believe that you guys been duking it out for years. Yep,
Speaker 1: Doug ked the cad heads out there, you know. But
Speaker 1: it hurts, I would say, I would guess it hurts
Speaker 1: less to get beat by the cad Heads than by
Speaker 1: a shafter. Now, we have someone in in the building
Speaker 1: of the NFL media universe named Tom pel Sero, your
Speaker 1: golf buddies with you. You seem to be close friends
Speaker 1: with Pali Saro. He has his own drop on this show.
Speaker 1: He's the pell raiser. Now, does it bring you a
Speaker 1: level of frustration or anger that we don't have an
Speaker 1: ean drop when you are delivering news when we're going
Speaker 1: through it in our rundown that you used to did we.
Speaker 5: Well, well, I would only say, and this is this
Speaker 5: is not personal at all but the Pellissaro, the pell
Speaker 5: Raiser drop has become immense taken off.
Speaker 1: We don't know Tom, it seems like he would like it.
Speaker 1: Maybe let him know. I haven't.
Speaker 9: I haven't sensed the momentum that you guys have. In fact,
Speaker 9: I've actually didn't know it existed until right now, momentum
Speaker 9: for Tom.
Speaker 6: Because it seems like Tom's got some momentum and he does.
Speaker 6: That's tricky having a rivalry within the building. You've dealt
Speaker 6: with that before and you proved victorious.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but whenever you're gonna kill next Ian, well, no,
Speaker 9: whenever Tom gets something, he deserves it. And so like
Speaker 9: he and I were bang bang on the Trevon Diggs
Speaker 9: extension yesterday again because this is not right hammered in
Speaker 9: and that nail in yep. And so when he gets it,
Speaker 9: he deserves it. So like you know, there's been definitely
Speaker 9: things that I thought I was going to break that
Speaker 9: he breaks. But it's always better than the alternative mm hmm.
Speaker 9: And so like it's it's all I'm just saying, it's
Speaker 9: always better than the alternative any single way, the alternative
Speaker 9: plus Tom's Tom deserves it.
Speaker 1: Great, Oh you better golfer than him, Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: golf a lot.
Speaker 2: Why are a lot of golf?
Speaker 9: And we put when we played, I shot eighty six.
Speaker 9: He did not mark.
Speaker 1: What's your take on golfing for a middle aged men?
Speaker 5: I see the attraction. I personally don't have seven or
Speaker 5: eight hours to spend time doing it.
Speaker 3: What's your thing?
Speaker 5: My thing?
Speaker 9: Yeah, everyone has to have a thing. What's your thing?
Speaker 5: A lot of it can't be mentioned, but uh, it's
Speaker 5: not golf can't be mentioned.
Speaker 9: Well, this audience isn't Is this audience not numb to
Speaker 9: your antics by now? How much long have you had?
Speaker 9: Guys had this whatever?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 3: We don't ask him what he does in his own podcast.
Speaker 5: I think they're largely they could surmise employ.
Speaker 9: I had a friend in college, a sort of a friend,
Speaker 9: an acquaintance in college, who was riding downtown in the
Speaker 9: city with another one of my buddies, and they happened
Speaker 9: to be on the same subway and one guy gets
Speaker 9: off and he looks at the other guy and he goes,
Speaker 9: don't follow me.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you're like.
Speaker 6: That that's very much a Sessler move, except you just
Speaker 6: wouldn't say anything, just would leave. Wait, why do you
Speaker 6: think that's Sequin Barkley going on this zoom call with
Speaker 6: the running back somehow like took leverage away because apparently,
Speaker 6: I don't know if Floria was on it or people
Speaker 6: just heard what was in it. Everyone had the idea
Speaker 6: on the zoom call that he was going to camp. Anyways,
Speaker 6: why why even I guess you're you could make an
Speaker 6: extra nine hundred thousand dollars out of this deal, but
Speaker 6: why do it at all? Like why why not hold
Speaker 6: out for for more? Why not why not at least
Speaker 6: get a promise not to tag?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 9: John Marra does not do That is the reason. And
Speaker 9: so like there are things in negotiating where you say,
Speaker 9: like I can get this or I can get that.
Speaker 9: Some things are a non starter, right. It's like, you know,
Speaker 9: like a fully guaranteed deal for quarterbacks for everyone not
Speaker 9: named Deshaun Watson was a non starter.
Speaker 6: And I think all the quarterbacks or Kirk Cousins, the greats,
Speaker 6: you know, the greats of the game.
Speaker 1: He was great.
Speaker 9: He was great in that Netflix show. I assume you
Speaker 9: guys have watched. We will be talking about it on
Speaker 9: Thursday's program taped on Wednesday. It's all now taped on Thursday,
Speaker 9: maybe for a Friday release. Got it?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 9: But like so, so anyway, why do you do the deal?
Speaker 9: He was probably gonna come in a couple weeks into camp. Okay,
Speaker 9: history has not been kind to the players who come
Speaker 9: in late to camp. A lot of times they get injured.
Speaker 9: I think when Bosa did one of his holdouts, he
Speaker 9: ended up with a hamstring injury. He didn't play for four weeks. Like,
Speaker 9: being in shape and getting ready to go kill it
Speaker 9: this season is important. I think when all your friends
Speaker 9: are at training camp and you're not, I think that sucks.
Speaker 9: And like, look, either his options were hold out and
Speaker 9: signed the tag or not hold out and get extra
Speaker 9: money and get a little upfront, like absolutely long term deal.
Speaker 9: I thought this was a totally fine solution, and I
Speaker 9: think we're probably going to see more of it now
Speaker 9: that some other players are gonna be Like, I don't
Speaker 9: know when Josh Jacobs is going to come in, but
Speaker 9: like this structure would probably make sense to him too,
Speaker 9: if the Raiders were willing to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get the sense because the way it's
Speaker 1: reported he was seen boarding a plane he's leaving town.
Speaker 1: Is that something where it could be you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit more heat to it than your typical holdout situation.
Speaker 9: I got the sense like they didn't do a new contract, obviously,
Speaker 9: so that's the number one goal. But I got the
Speaker 9: sense it was okay, like didn't agree on where he
Speaker 9: should be, but I didn't feel like anybody was like
Speaker 9: throwing things against the wall and hating each other. Was
Speaker 9: more like we disagree on value, okay, Like let's try
Speaker 9: to move forward.
Speaker 6: There was an interesting report in The Athletic though by
Speaker 6: a former I guess of the sho Vic tayf which
Speaker 6: I know who was kind of like, why all the
Speaker 6: spin after the Josh Jacobs deal that it was so close,
Speaker 6: essentially saying without saying that McDaniels is maybe trying to
Speaker 6: send a message to Mark Davis that we gave it
Speaker 6: a good shot, this is the guy you really like,
Speaker 6: or maybe send me a message to the fans that hey,
Speaker 6: we got close, and was kind of saying without saying
Speaker 6: I'm putting words in the mouth here, but that that
Speaker 6: it's a little bit more of some old McDaniels off
Speaker 6: the field chakanery, which if you kind of look at it,
Speaker 6: it's been piling up. It's like they signed Derek Carr,
Speaker 6: he's gone. Renfro's on the trade block. Maybe maybe not
Speaker 6: Darren Waller. You sign him and he's gone.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 6: DeVante Adams is grumbling a little. There is some like
Speaker 6: McDaniel's denvery vibes there.
Speaker 9: I see. I don't. I don't get the vibes. I
Speaker 9: understand what you're saying, because like, obviously, at some point
Speaker 9: you need to win, and if they don't win this year,
Speaker 9: then they'll they'll be obviously questions, just like there is
Speaker 9: with anyone who doesn't win. I think they were pretty
Speaker 9: close and in fact, like my opinion means nothing, but
Speaker 9: like I'm talking to a lot of people as these
Speaker 9: deals happen, and like there were definitely moments on that
Speaker 9: Monday where I thought a deal was gonna happen, So
Speaker 9: like I didn't think it was spin. I really thought,
Speaker 9: like as I'm preparing for, like you know, we're about
Speaker 9: to do a show, and we're going to do a
Speaker 9: show at four o'clock Eastern, one o'clock Pacific Monday, franchise
Speaker 9: tight Day got it, and like the producers like, what's
Speaker 9: your topics? I'm telling them, like I think there's a
Speaker 9: real chance Josh Jacobs get done. So I didn't think
Speaker 9: it was spin, but they were like really upfront with him.
Speaker 9: So even like our spin kind of doesn't really matter.
Speaker 9: The only thing that matters is the Raiders talking to him,
Speaker 9: and I think they were really like transparent upfront about
Speaker 9: what happened and how close they got.
Speaker 5: I want to shift gears because I feel like over
Speaker 5: these summer months there have been these sometimes valid, invalid,
Speaker 5: but just whispers that Bill Belichick Robert Kraft in New England, like,
Speaker 5: is tention there?
Speaker 3: Do they really want?
Speaker 9: I saw that there was a Tom Karran thing that I.
Speaker 5: Saw and like, like, I mean, you know, you hear
Speaker 5: about how crappt I thought, went out of his way
Speaker 5: to defend Matt Patricia and what happened last year. To
Speaker 5: some degree, he's gone out of his way to praise
Speaker 5: Jared Mayo and the fact that they really love him
Speaker 5: so much, Like is there a world where Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: is on the hot seat to some degree this season?
Speaker 9: I I don't view it like that. First of all,
Speaker 9: I think they're gonna be fine, or maybe more than fine.
Speaker 9: I think, you know, Bill O'Brien was a very good hire.
Speaker 9: I think mac Jones was not coached very well at
Speaker 9: all last year, and like, I don't know how you're
Speaker 9: supposed to judge a second year quarterback when he gets
Speaker 9: injured and then was coach poorly, Like that's just a
Speaker 9: nothing against Matt Patricia. Like good defensive coach, he just
Speaker 9: is not an offensive coordinator. I just they need to
Speaker 9: do better. But are you asking me, like do I
Speaker 9: think Robert Kraft would like outright fire Bill Belichick after
Speaker 9: the season, Like I don't see it like that.
Speaker 5: Is there is there tension there?
Speaker 9: I mean I don't. I think they agree on how
Speaker 9: to move forward, and they agreed on where things needed
Speaker 9: to go after last season, which was not good enough.
Speaker 9: I think they would both like to win. But like
Speaker 9: to me, tension is like one side wants one thing,
Speaker 9: the other side wants something different. Like I don't think
Speaker 9: this is like a GM and an owner or coach
Speaker 9: and an owner not on the same page. I think
Speaker 9: it's most like both wish there were more wins, but
Speaker 9: I think they're okay as far as like how to proceed.
Speaker 6: Belichick like mentioning the amount of actual cash they were spending,
Speaker 6: to me was an eye opener.
Speaker 2: A red flat.
Speaker 1: Here's the quote from Craft that was in March when asked.
Speaker 9: We were all standing in the flowers in March.
Speaker 1: Yes, whether Bill's job could be in jeopardy, and Craft said, look,
Speaker 1: I'd like him to break Don Chilo's record, but I'm
Speaker 1: not that's for all time wins reread coaches. But I'm
Speaker 1: not looking for any of our players to get great stats.
Speaker 1: We're about winning and doing whatever we can to win,
Speaker 1: and that's what our focus is now. And this is
Speaker 1: where I thought it was interesting, and it's very important
Speaker 1: to me that we make the playoffs and that's what
Speaker 1: I hope happens next year, which led to me and
Speaker 1: a lot of other people saying that don't sound very
Speaker 1: close to a playoffs or bust mandate from the owner.
Speaker 1: But of course this isn't just any other coach. But
Speaker 1: you're so you don't see it that way. It's there's
Speaker 1: too much history for it to be as straightforward as that.
Speaker 9: It's the greatest coach of all time, right, And I
Speaker 9: know this whole organization has been built on not caring
Speaker 9: as much about the records, whatever individual records, whatever they are, right,
Speaker 9: but about to become the greatest coach of all time,
Speaker 9: and like, let's say they go eight to nine this year,
Speaker 9: I don't know, miss the playoffs. They need still be
Speaker 9: nine away from the all time record. I don't think
Speaker 9: that's a reason to keep anyone. But I don't see
Speaker 9: Robert Craft being like, all right, you're out, Drod Mayo,
Speaker 9: come in. I just I would be beyond.
Speaker 1: Some You used to cover the Pats for the Herald
Speaker 1: back in the day. Do you ever have any texts
Speaker 1: with Bill just about golf or anything else?
Speaker 9: Uh? I will decline to answer that question. Bon Jovi
Speaker 9: is he still a bon Jovie fanderd? He kind of
Speaker 9: moved on thought that was.
Speaker 6: Actually, like, so you return his text, just not not mine.
Speaker 9: One of my favorite Bill Belichick interactions was I ran
Speaker 9: into him an Indie and for the combine, and like,
Speaker 9: you know, I hadn't seen him in a little bit,
Speaker 9: and so I was like, this is great, Like we'll
Speaker 9: get to catch up. And I'm thinking, like we're going
Speaker 9: to talk about football, and he's just gonna tell me
Speaker 9: everyone they're going to sign in free agency. And that
Speaker 9: ended up being a thirty minute conversation on horse racing
Speaker 9: MM and like a full breakdown of like which track
Speaker 9: is best to watch races on and like why he
Speaker 9: loves it and like why I love it? And then
Speaker 9: about fashion and women's fashion and hats. It was amazing.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's the podcast. I need Bill Belichick on women's
Speaker 6: horse racing fashion.
Speaker 9: If you if you wanted Bill Belichick on this podcast,
Speaker 9: which obviously had a big shooes to fill after today,
Speaker 9: but I think you could probably get him if you
Speaker 9: were like, listen, here's what we're gonna ask you about
Speaker 9: no football and just all the like non football topics
Speaker 9: that he loves so so much.
Speaker 1: Can you make a note of this. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a post production media about how to pitch Bill last
Speaker 1: question because we know you gotta go busy man.
Speaker 9: But they're getting so many texts or tomorrow, so many
Speaker 9: texts and calls during this conversation.
Speaker 1: So Josh McDaniels will see what happens with him this year,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick probably safe, but maybe not. In a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, we do our annual hot butt rankings of
Speaker 1: head coaches. Like last year, for example, everyone's like, call
Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle his his butts on fire, and sure enough
Speaker 1: it was. Do you sense any coaches out there that
Speaker 1: are under an immensive amount of pressure at the rule
Speaker 1: level to you know, survive to Halloween.
Speaker 9: For instance, I don't sense anybody like that. Like I
Speaker 9: think last year going in, I think we all kind
Speaker 9: of knew, like, all right, maybe the Panthers if they
Speaker 9: don't win, it could be. It's not it's not really
Speaker 9: like that this year. Now, these things can happen so
Speaker 9: fast that I certainly did not see Frank Reid coming
Speaker 9: last year. So this, you know, the way a season materializes,
Speaker 9: like I can you know, these can kind of take
Speaker 9: a shape of its own.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 9: I mean maybe if you like, you could read through
Speaker 9: the list of teams and I could come up with.
Speaker 6: Somebody, this is a hope season. You're about to visit
Speaker 6: half these teams you don't want to be uh well,
Speaker 6: it's also like so like I was at the Rams today,
Speaker 6: Commanders is an obvious one if they don't win, just
Speaker 6: new owner new owners, like, but they're not going to
Speaker 6: do it like during the season necessarily, But I'm saying
Speaker 6: that we probably need to get it, get a winning record.
Speaker 9: They're probably one, but like they also could like they
Speaker 9: also could be good.
Speaker 6: All these teams could be good. The Browns if they think,
Speaker 6: you would think we'll make a change.
Speaker 9: But like Deshaun Watson, only on the field, Deshaun Watson
Speaker 9: has been a very very very very good quarterback except
Speaker 9: for last year. Like I still think he's gonna end
Speaker 9: up as a very good player, and if that's the case,
Speaker 9: they should be good. But like the Rams are a
Speaker 9: good example. I went there yes yesterday. Yeah, I have
Speaker 9: no earthly idea how good the Rams are gonna be.
Speaker 9: They are very young, they still have some really good players,
Speaker 9: but they have a lot of players I have not
Speaker 9: heard of. And they have a coach who's in a
Speaker 9: much better place this year, and I think is gonna
Speaker 9: love coaching this team. So they could finish four and thirteen,
Speaker 9: or they could finish ten and seven.
Speaker 6: I have no idea If they are two and five
Speaker 6: at the trading deadline, though, don't you think they're a team.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of circling for that. And the Titans would
Speaker 6: maybe be another where the trade deadline doesn't pop too
Speaker 6: much in the NFL. Maybe the Bucks teams they have
Speaker 6: some veterans. If they're really buried, I would think that
Speaker 6: the Rams, I don't know, Like Matthew Stould think about pivoting.
Speaker 9: Right, but like then it's like a lot of sound.
Speaker 9: That's the problem with the trade deadline, and like I
Speaker 9: know it's the way it's constructed, so whatever, but likely
Speaker 9: it's so hard to move someone with a big salary
Speaker 9: in October nobody has the space or whenever the trade
Speaker 9: deadline is.
Speaker 5: But in LA though, Brandon Staley, he's someone I feel
Speaker 5: like if they flounder again after the way last season ended.
Speaker 5: Talented young coach, but like that feels sort of hot
Speaker 5: seatish to me.
Speaker 9: Uh, I mean two new coordinators and sometimes two new
Speaker 9: coordinators is the start of something not good. Also, like
Speaker 9: I think Kellen Moore is gonna be really really good
Speaker 9: and they should be running more of Staley's defense this year.
Speaker 9: Like if they're strangely bad, I would say it could
Speaker 9: get late early there. But they should be good, you know,
Speaker 9: like they have really good players, like they should be.
Speaker 9: I think they should be really good.
Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport, You've said it all. I didn't even need
Speaker 1: to be the peacemaker this time because they're just tranquil
Speaker 1: vibes here much more.
Speaker 2: Comfortable before this season.
Speaker 6: I mean, I just met Lee yuh, Ian's lovely wife,
Speaker 6: he is kind of a power move.
Speaker 2: But I appreciated it.
Speaker 6: I think it's the first spouse I've ever seen brought
Speaker 6: to the content summit. But you have to be high
Speaker 6: enough on the totem pole. I think this is what
Speaker 6: I'm talking about. But you know what, everyone, I talked
Speaker 6: some tennis.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 5: I hope you didn't have to sit through that.
Speaker 6: She's a sable Antha fan, which really impresses me.
Speaker 3: All right, gotta go, all right, there he goes, He
Speaker 3: said it all.
Speaker 1: Where could he be going?
Speaker 2: Who's the call from? Just say it?
Speaker 1: What could it really be? That's that important?
Speaker 2: It's like a sourcer.
Speaker 5: He completely forgot it. We existed as he exited this room.
Speaker 1: I know, but you I think it's and thank you
Speaker 1: to Ian for coming. Yeah, definitely, Like it makes him
Speaker 1: feel like a big man to walk out on the
Speaker 1: phone like that, Just drop the headset and get on
Speaker 1: the phone and walk out.
Speaker 7: He was talking to somebody's I don't think he's I
Speaker 7: don't think coming out of the phone, I don't know
Speaker 7: if I don't know if it was anybody, I don't
Speaker 7: think he could.
Speaker 1: I was a full performance and I think, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: the brand. It's a way to show this was a
Speaker 1: thing I did. Like you said, it's already forgotten because
Speaker 1: now I'm on the phone with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 6: Well it's a crutch, but it's also an assist. Kyle
Speaker 6: Brandt always points out when he does the photo recap
Speaker 6: of like the ten NFL Talent photo, it's always rap
Speaker 6: sheet with the phone like he's looking at the phone.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of branding.
Speaker 6: It's his bit, but it also gets him out of
Speaker 6: uncolored having to interact with lesser.
Speaker 1: He can we get an instant replay of him storming
Speaker 1: out of the studio. You have those capabilities, kicks the
Speaker 1: chair back as he leaves, not in real time.
Speaker 2: We work on that in post.
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to hire someone one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety seven thousand dollars a year just to have us
Speaker 1: like a slow motion replay retainer. But maybe maybe on
Speaker 1: Instagram people would see the walkout by Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: make that happen. All right, good stuff. Any takeaways from that?
Speaker 1: I think I agree with him. I thought it was
Speaker 1: good because and Ian knows how things work on the
Speaker 1: Patriot Way because he lived up there and covered that team,
Speaker 1: So I think that there is something to be said
Speaker 1: for what he was putting. That was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: read the quote or see the quote from Craft, and
Speaker 1: it makes it seem like it's a cut and dry thing,
Speaker 1: because almost any other owner you see that be like, yes,
Speaker 1: that is very clear that that team needs to win
Speaker 1: nine or ten games or else. But I think Craft
Speaker 1: is not a guy it's gonna do anything in a
Speaker 1: hasty manner. I think he's an excellent owner, and it
Speaker 1: would take something truly. I think we talked about pell Raiser.
Speaker 1: It'd be a hell raising in New England, like a
Speaker 1: four and thirteen. That schedule is social fighting.
Speaker 6: Even his scenario he laid out to me, I immediately thought,
Speaker 6: worst case scenario. If he won eight games and he
Speaker 6: was nine away from beating Sula, then I'm just thinking, well,
Speaker 6: what if he wins like eight games the next year
Speaker 6: and then he's won away for like that, The whole
Speaker 6: thing could be excruciating and sad. So the thing that
Speaker 6: they they got to do is just win ten games,
Speaker 6: win eleven game, sprite some people, and then I don't
Speaker 6: have to worry about it.
Speaker 5: I thought what he pointed out though, was that there
Speaker 5: isn't like it's not setting the table for a clash.
Speaker 5: They want the same things. But another milk toast season
Speaker 5: by the Patriots puts you in a weird place.
Speaker 1: Milk toast, Yes, I think it's a little uncomfortable. I
Speaker 1: do think. And we'll see because we all fall into
Speaker 1: the trap and we did last you know, last year.
Speaker 1: The AFC West AFC East looks very good on paper.
Speaker 1: If it really did play out where the Jets, Dolphins,
Speaker 1: and Bills were all big time teams and the Pats
Speaker 1: go five and twelve, then what like what would what
Speaker 1: would necessitate some type of like watershed moment in New England?
Speaker 3: It might be a true cratering. I don't see it happening,
Speaker 3: but I mean.
Speaker 5: I just from the craft tangle for the point that
Speaker 5: he's not like a knee jerk reaction type guy. Like
Speaker 5: if you're Robert crafton you move on from Bill Belichick,
Speaker 5: you have to follow that up with another coach who
Speaker 5: people are going to be comparing to Bill Belichick. He
Speaker 5: needs to succeed right away. You don't want to be
Speaker 5: that person, although everybody want, You.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be the guy. You want to be
Speaker 1: a guy that replaces the guy.
Speaker 6: I feel like we know the guy unless Belichick it
Speaker 6: starts hitting hot streak and lasts another five years, which
Speaker 6: is possible. And that guy's Jared Mayo.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm just I'm just saying, if I'm Jared Mayo,
Speaker 1: you want to follow up Bill Belichick, I want to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing is, things are different this year.
Speaker 6: Craft released this statement about that Mayo hiring, which they
Speaker 6: never do. They actually finally break not it's not breaking news,
Speaker 6: but they did finally on the Patriots website tell the
Speaker 6: public just if you click coaches, who the Patriots coaches
Speaker 6: are this year?
Speaker 5: But that was just this week, and Joe Judge was and.
Speaker 6: There's only like again, it's only like seven of them
Speaker 6: and four are related to Belichick, and.
Speaker 5: Judge was essentially promoted, which is mysterious.
Speaker 2: Joe Judge was promoted to man some people, man some people.
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