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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. When you're young and

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Speaker 1: you jet off to college, after you've been under mom

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Speaker 1: and Dad's rue for so long, and you've been through

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Speaker 1: the trials, those trials that define high school, you think

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Speaker 1: those are trials at that particular time. Then you get

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Speaker 1: to college and it's a whole new world. And I

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Speaker 1: found myself in this position many times where I just

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Speaker 1: And my solution to that for a good portion of

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Speaker 1: you know, out of all the academic pursuits, particularly at

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Speaker 1: an undergraduate level, there are not too many that are

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Speaker 1: more rigorous than nursing school. And the reason is is that,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could argue that academically, you know, if

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Speaker 1: nursing is so very difficult. You have to be able

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Speaker 1: And our case today that we're going to discuss involves

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Speaker 1: a young lady who just wanted to have a little

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Speaker 1: rigors of academia and particularly nursing school. Today we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the murder of Lincoln Hope Riley at

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Speaker 1: the University of Georgia. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this

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Speaker 1: is Bodybags. Here we go again, David. Another young life

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Speaker 1: where she's out on her own. She's trying to apply

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, when you look at at her timeline of life,

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Speaker 2: this was the daughter every father wants to have. Lake

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Speaker 2: mom and dad's dream.

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Speaker 2: When people talk about Lake and Riley, they talk about

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Speaker 2: how wonderful she was. Just nobody's saying anything bad, just

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Speaker 2: nice stuff, and they back it up with you know,

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Speaker 2: in high school, she was an honor student and ran

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Speaker 2: track every year. Love running track, very athletic, very active

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Speaker 2: in her church. And she goes off to college. And

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Speaker 2: what does she do while she's on the dean's list.

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Speaker 2: She goes to she completes her education at UGA, and

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Speaker 2: then after that goes to nursing school. And she's still

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Speaker 2: living near the campus of UGA, and she still runs

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Speaker 2: every day. She's on the dean's list in nursing school.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, very quick sidebar. My daughter, Hayley

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Speaker 2: are two types of people that go to nursing school,

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Speaker 2: those who want to be nurses and those who think

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Speaker 2: it sounds like it would be neat to be a nurse.

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Speaker 2: Those who think it would be neat to be a

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Speaker 2: And my daughter found that out and said I've had

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Speaker 2: enough and chose a different path. Many people do. Lake

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Speaker 2: all these other things. Absolutely, she didn't return in her

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Speaker 2: She's been gone way too long, hours too long, And

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Speaker 1: I think about this, you know, for investigator, one of

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Speaker 1: Nurses have to arrive at the hospital prior to their

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Speaker 1: You know, missus Smith needs this, mister Jones needs this.

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Speaker 1: This is what we had to deal with on our shift,

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Speaker 1: and so you're going to exchange this information and then

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Speaker 2: If you've ever had a loved one in the hospital

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Speaker 2: They actually were your connection to the doctor and what

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Speaker 1: To be completely honest with you, I would much rather

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Speaker 1: I've had nurses, I just find that, first off, nurses

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Speaker 1: because I know they hold the key to either continued

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Speaker 2: And so that's what she wanted to do and be,

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Speaker 2: and she knew that exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I have that much of a

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Speaker 1: that brings me to this issue of this individual that

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Speaker 1: idea of how quickly they showed up and found her.

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Speaker 1: It normally doesn't happen that way. What can we learn

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Speaker 2: Her in the roommate knew that she was going to

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Speaker 2: be running by the intramural fields out of Uga and

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Speaker 2: by Lake Herrick, and so they already knew the direction

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Speaker 2: just to give you an idea of the time, twelve

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Speaker 2: They found her and we're treating her. She was alive,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? Thirty one thirty Yeah, it really is

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Speaker 1: that there was something, There was potentially a chance at

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Speaker 1: intriguing charge to me that they have heaped upon this

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Speaker 1: because when you think about that, Dave, it goes to

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Speaker 1: Laken's awareness of her surroundings, because if if she had

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Speaker 1: charged this individual with kidnapping, perhaps false imprisonment, they did

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Speaker 2: They got an aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering,

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Speaker 2: another meaning he hit her body and of course fell

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Speaker 2: any murder, malice, murder.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they're charging the subject with kidnapping is

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Speaker 1: fascinating because we know that we cannot kidnap the dead right.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a living person in order to

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Speaker 1: do this, So they have information about the circumstances surrounding us.

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Speaker 1: that nine to eleven call is. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we'll ever actually hear the call on a public forum,

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Speaker 1: but we will get a sense of the verbiage that

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Speaker 1: not much in crime fiction. I don't read crime fiction

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Speaker 1: and big reveal here, I don't watch True Crime. I

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Speaker 2: If you did like it, you would see Joseph. It's

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Speaker 2: got Morgan on a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: pronounce the name of properly, Callifolunia. Arnold Schwarzenegger was not

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Speaker 2: Here's what happened. He came here September eighth, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I think, when all of sudden done to try to

434
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: understand what happened to lacln in those moments leading up

435
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: to her death, and perhaps just perhaps what's happened to

436
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: other women who may have crossed paths with Jose. I

437
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: think that right now, as we sit here and we

438
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: speak to you, I think that the police have done

439
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: a fantastic job relative to Lincoln's death investigation. One of

440
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: the things that really gave me hope about this is

441
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: I saw that not only was it the Athens Clark

442
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: Police Department that was working this event, but they also

443
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: brought in the assets from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation

444
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: and I think some assets from perhaps the FBI. You

445
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: had multiple eyes on this case, on the field, on

446
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: the ground. One of the really interesting bits to this

447
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: is that you had these agents that were going through

448
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: the dumpsters and they're looking for items which we can

449
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: only believe were probably clothing items that has been alluded to.

450
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: If in fact, and since we don't know at this point,

451
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: Tom anything necessarily about the status of Lacn's clothing, which

452
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: is going to be key by the way, if it

453
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: were the perpetrator's clothed perhaps isn't that fascinating that he

454
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: perhaps had taken his clothes and thrown them away. Well,

455
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: what does that go to? Well, first off, it goes

456
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: to an awareness that he has potentially some kind of

457
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: physical evidence on him. Remember what they said. They said

458
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: that she Lacn was attacked, She's sustained horrible disfiguring injuries.

459
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: They talked about facial disfigurement, that sort of thing, and

460
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: that she was struck with an object. Now we don't

461
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: know what that object necessarily is, but you had alluded

462
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: to and right you were earlier that this was a

463
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma death, struck about the head, probably other

464
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: areas on her body. It was the object something that

465
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: he had shown up with. Did he have a hammer

466
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: with him, did he have an iron bar, did he

467
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: have a wooden stick? Or was it a weapon? You know,

468
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: they use that term opportunity, Dave. Was there a rock

469
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: that was utilized as some kind of bludgeon out there?

470
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: And I've seen this happen before. Those injuries are very

471
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: specific when you see how irregular they are and the

472
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: damage that they can do. A rock it's not going

473
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: to have real clean margins and real clean edges. It's

474
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: going to be the surface of these little strikes will

475
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: have individual little lacerations depended upon the surface that'll that'll

476
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: correlate with the surface of the rock. So with in

477
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: the overall strike of a single strike of this rock,

478
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: you can have little tears in the skin that are

479
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: within that strike zone that will would be unique to

480
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: the surface of that rock. And if you can find

481
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: that rock, you can find contact trace on there as well.

482
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: They would be looking for that rock in that Oh.

483
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: My god, yeah, they would be looking for the rocks.

484
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: Here's my worry is that both that phone and that

485
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: rock may have wound up in that lake, and that's

486
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: that's certainly. I think that's a legitimate concern. I don't

487
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: know if they have it. I hope that they have

488
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: recovered it. But they referred to an object. They just

489
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't state what the object was, but they did say

490
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: it was blunt force trauma. So they've got something to

491
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: go on here.

492
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: I need to ask you a question because, yeah, beyond

493
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: the blunt force trauma and the damage to her head,

494
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: the chief of police made a comment at the press conference,

495
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: and it was they'd served a surge warrant on the

496
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: brother's apartment. Yeah, and the chief of police said, we

497
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: didn't really need that, We didn't need anything out of

498
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: that apartment to prove who did this. He said, to

499
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: get a conviction. Yeah, And it was kind of an

500
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: offhanded comment. I saved it because I thought he actually

501
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: misspoke when he said to convict. You know, he should

502
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: have said a rest, but he was speaking from his

503
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: heart off the cuff, disgusted by what he had seen.

504
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: And he said and the reason he said this is

505
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: because they've got it on video, Joe. They have this

506
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: attack on video, I believe, And that's why he said,

507
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: we didn't need that because you mentioned all the things

508
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: they might have found in the apartment, which, by the way,

509
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: they had to have found things, because well people saw

510
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: them leaving the apartment with bags of stuff, so they

511
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: did find things, but they didn't need that. That's just

512
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: going to be the icing on the cake to figure

513
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: out exactly what happened. But the bottom line is I

514
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: believe they had enough of this on video to be

515
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: able to know exactly what happened and when it happened.

516
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: But when they say blunt forces trauma, what are we

517
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: really I mean, are we talking about can you do

518
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: that kind of damage with a fist? Do you have

519
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: to have another object? Could And because it's a crime

520
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: of opportunity, could it have been a stick, a branch,

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: something that you know you mentioned rock Ted Bundy used

522
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: a log as he went into the Kyomega house.

523
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he read totally hell against his poor women

524
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: in there. And and yeah, in answer to your earlier question, yeah,

525
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: you can use your hands. But they when they begin

526
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: to talk about gross disfigurement here and this this trauma

527
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: that this child has has sustained. First off, that's very

528
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: difficult to accomplish with your bare hands. I think that

529
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: many people think that it could happen. Well, yeah, if

530
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: you're Mike Tyson and his prime, maybe so. But for

531
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: the average person that's out there, you can strike people,

532
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: they will have hematomas, you can bloody their nose, you

533
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: can break their nose. But when at the level Dave

534
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: that they're talking about here, this implies something else. So

535
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: when they say object here, it smacks to me that

536
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be something that is. It's not going

537
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: to be just some random stick. It's going to be

538
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: something heavy. It has to have weight so that when

539
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: that force, that force moving through space, actually that's powered

540
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: by the hands slamming down while it's holding it and

541
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: contacts that surface, that energy is transferred from the object

542
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: itself onto that surface which it's striking, and you begin

543
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: to look at things like, first off, you're going to

544
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: have really bad lacerations where the skin literally tears, and

545
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: then there's going to be underlying perhaps skull fractures. And

546
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: that's I got to tell you, based upon what I've

547
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: worked in the past and this sort of thing, that

548
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: was what I was thinking about, and not just skull fractures.

549
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: You can have WHATULD refer to as depressed skull fractures.

550
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: So if you just imagine there, what's the difference between

551
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: a linear skull fracture and it contrast.

552
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you have a linear fracture, it is

553
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: literally that's what it means. And actually the term is

554
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: I think most forensic pathologists the diagnoses is a linear fracture.

555
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: But uh, forensic pathologists will use a term that's kind

556
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: of odd called curvilinear, and it covers both, so you

557
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: will have it won't be in a perfect straight line.

558
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: It will literally have a curve to it. And they've

559
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: created a term like they always do, called curvilinear. If

560
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: you've never heard that before, it's kind of odd.

561
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: But that's just kind of a crack in the bone

562
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: where the bone stays even with itself.

563
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it does, and you don't have this depression

564
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: that sets in when you have a depressed gull fracture.

565
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Think of Okay, I'll give you a great example if

566
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: anyone wants to understand what a depressed gull fracture looks like.

567
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Take a hard boiled egg, all right, and when you

568
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: go to ap peel it, if you will take your

569
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: thumb and press it into the side of the egg

570
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: without destroying the egg. And once you may, once you

571
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: transfer that energy from your thumb onto the surface of

572
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: that egg you pressed just enough, that will create a

573
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: depressed fracture on the surface of that egg that's very

574
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: similar to what you get with a depressed gull fracture.

575
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: You will get this fragmented bone. It'll break off in

576
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: multiple pieces and there will literally be a dip on

577
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: the external table of the skull. Many times with the

578
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: press skull fractures, you'll see fragmented bone that will enter

579
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: into the brain, dependent upon the amount of energy that

580
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: is transferred from the object to the surface of the

581
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: bone that causes it to fracture and shatter and go

582
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: into the skull and go into the brain. So that's

583
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I think what they're looking at. If he is and

584
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: this is going to be Dave, I think that we

585
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: can safely say this is going to be a very

586
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: bloody affair, and particularly if she was still alive, you're

587
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: going to have her bleeding out. Perhaps with head injuries,

588
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: you have aspiration many times coming from the nose in

589
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the mouth that would have potentially transferred onto him. That

590
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: might be why they're looking for clothing because that's going

591
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: to be damning evidence because these two people, to the

592
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: best of our knowledge, have never crossed paths at all.

593
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: There should be no reason on God's green earth that

594
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Lakan's blood or biological material should be on his person period.

595
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: Now a defense attorney might try to argue differently, but

596
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: we're not talking about him giving her a ride in

597
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: a car. We're talking about a young lady out for

598
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: a job in a forested area. What are the chances

599
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: that they would have had any other kind of physical contact? None? Okay,

600
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: admittedly he's only been in Athens for maybe a couple

601
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: of months. Maybe, you know, where are they going to

602
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to meet up? But we're talking about

603
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: a young girl that's not in a party and she's

604
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: not going out clubbing, she's devoted to her studies. There's

605
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: no reason these two should have ever crossed paths a November. Yeah,

606
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and so you know you think about that, what are

607
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the odds that that he would have her biological material?

608
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: That's why. And let me go back to this quote

609
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: directly because I found this very fascinating. Yeah, here it is.

610
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Chief Clark actually said Dave that the evidence is robust

611
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and that. That really caught my attention for official like

612
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: that at that level to actually say, you know, he

613
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: didn't say, well, yeah, we've got a few things. We've

614
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: got we've got some trace evidence, and that's not what

615
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: he said. He said the evidence is robust. What does

616
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: that mean. It means that it's full, that there is

617
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: a lot of it. And I just wonder about the

618
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: nature of the evidence because you mentioned, you know, we've

619
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: got CCTV, We've we've got a mute. I don't know

620
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: how to say it other than an abruptly disconnected nine

621
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: to eleven call. That's a digital piece right there. He

622
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator would probably have some kind

623
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: of cellular device with him. The odds are that he would.

624
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: So is he pinging in that area? Can you put

625
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: his phone there? Ergo? You can put him there with

626
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: his phone adjacent to LAC And I don't know that yet.

627
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I think that we will find out.

628
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: Based on the charges you've made a lot of not assumptions,

629
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: but based on the charges you have tied together. I wondered,

630
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: how why the kidnapping charge, Joe, I didn't know that

631
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: until today.

632
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong in one

633
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: of them. False imprisonment as well.

634
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Is that actually charges are malice murder, fell any murder,

635
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a nine

636
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: to one one call, and concealing the death of another.

637
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got all of this working together and

638
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: some of those things. You know, it's one thing to

639
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: conceal a death. You know we have and this is

640
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: not the case here, but we have cases that you

641
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and I have covered, like abusive corpse that sort of thing. Well,

642
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you can't abuse the corpse of a live person. The

643
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: same thing applies with kidnapping or false imprisonment. You're not

644
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: going to kidnap a decedent. You're not going to a

645
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: false imprison a dead person.

646
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: She was alive when they got there. They said that

647
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: she was declared dead at the scene exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you are you are preventing her from leaving that

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Speaker 1: at that point in time, you have control over her

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Speaker 1: and she can't get away. So that's what the police

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Speaker 1: are saying, and they have evidence of this. They have

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Speaker 1: evidence that she was sequestered in a specific location, and

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Speaker 1: then you know why else, Let's just say that she's

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Speaker 1: in a location where she is kind of covered. All right,

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Speaker 1: she's got agonal respirations when they show up, maybe she's

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Speaker 1: got branches laying on top of her, and she's got

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Speaker 1: this incredibly horrific head injury. Okay, so let me get

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Speaker 1: this straight. She fell down multiple times, injured her head,

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Speaker 1: crawled off into the brush and covered and concealed herself.

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Speaker 1: Is that what the defense might argue do? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can actually extract a lot of information from these charges.

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Speaker 1: I just hope that we'll continue to find out more

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Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, Dave, as it's been

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Speaker 1: reported in the news, this is the first homicide that's

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Speaker 1: taken place at Uga in thirty years. I hope, I

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Speaker 1: hope that it will be the last for many, many

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Speaker 1: years to come. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is

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