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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dirty Diddy mistrial after all

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Speaker 1: of this, as we learn, hotel night mouth sores and

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Speaker 1: urinary tract infections are grossing out the jury. Good evening.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, joining us an

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Speaker 1: all star panel, but first straight out to the Monahan

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Speaker 1: Federal Courthouse. Standing by special guests, Tissa tells investigator commentator,

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Speaker 1: host of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. What's the latest from the courtroom today?

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Speaker 2: The latest on the courtroom today is Diddy's team is spiraling.

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Speaker 2: Why because that motion for mistrial the prosecution let it sit.

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Speaker 2: They came in today and they axig judge, can you

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Speaker 2: let us adjust this tomorrow now? Why are people on

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Speaker 2: the inside of the courtroom saying, and of course the

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Speaker 2: gossip street.

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Speaker 3: Saying why this is a bad thing is because did

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Speaker 3: he want it?

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Speaker 2: To try to weigh a way to slow down or

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Speaker 2: stop Janeo's testimony. A lot of people have been saying

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Speaker 2: it sounds like a jealous girlfriend. He was paying rent.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know what to think today it gets dark.

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Speaker 2: Jane Doe is expected to testify that did he did

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Speaker 2: a Cassie. He brutally assaulted her, bruised her up, blacked

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Speaker 2: her eye, then made her put on makeup, perform and

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Speaker 2: do a freak golf hotel night whatever did He's calling

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Speaker 2: it these days, and to do it, Jane Doe has

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Speaker 2: messages and whatever. Now on the ground did He's team

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Speaker 2: since his pr people on the ground since last Thursday

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Speaker 2: have been trying to connect with bloggers.

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Speaker 3: They've been trying to connect with YouTubers.

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Speaker 2: They've been trying to cozy up the press because it

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Speaker 2: seems like as much as they say that Janejoe's testimony

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Speaker 2: is a non starter, they are waiting for the other

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Speaker 2: shoot job.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of tension and Judge Aaron

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Speaker 3: he called.

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Speaker 2: A mysterious bleak counsel on the court reporter. He took

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Speaker 2: them all into his chambers, just the two lead consoles and.

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Speaker 3: The court reporter.

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Speaker 2: When he came out, the prosecution ended defense teams how

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Speaker 2: don't like football players, and they were whispering furiously for

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Nobody knows what they actually discussed, but it

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Speaker 2: looks like it has both teams just shocked and a

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Speaker 1: Hold on, just a moment. I want to go back

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Speaker 1: over something you said, Tisa Tales joining me from the courthouse. Tisa. Generally,

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Speaker 1: when all the lawyers get together and they start fighting,

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Speaker 1: it's either about a very important piece of evidence, a witness,

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Speaker 1: or the schedule. Like if the judge said we are

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Speaker 1: ending July the fourth, get it together, that will throw

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Speaker 1: them all into a panic. Now I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to what you said. Oh, there's so many things

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Speaker 1: you said. I'm drinking from the fire hydrant here. Number one,

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Speaker 1: what they said about a mistrial, first thing this morning,

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Speaker 1: that kicked it off right, And then I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about Jane not her real name, being

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Speaker 1: forced to put on makeup and get back in the

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Speaker 1: ring a hotel night. Now, that's putting perfume on the

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Speaker 1: pig a hotel night, and it's more like a twenty

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Speaker 1: four hour sex marathon where she said she had to

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Speaker 1: hold such weird sex positions for hours on end her back.

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Speaker 1: Actually ached this on top of mouthstores and UTI's one jerror.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a lady jeror to look at

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and we have ditty caught on tape.

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Speaker 1: But first to the mistrial, let me just say continuance.

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Speaker 1: They filed for a mistrial and then they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna deal with that tomorrow. Did

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Speaker 4: So let me be clear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the prosecution told them to cool their jets and

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Speaker 2: they will respond for to the misstrial tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: The defense came in very very happy. They were skipping

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Speaker 2: However, I think he expected the prosecution to come back

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Speaker 2: with the bet and address the mistrial, and they said

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Speaker 2: for right now. Jane Do's testimony that they've been trying

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Speaker 3: Is one hundred percent happening.

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Speaker 2: And when you talk about all the horrible things, today's

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Speaker 2: testimony is the most gruesome, the most disgusting, and the

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Speaker 1: Okay, to Troy Slayton joining me, don't move TSA tells

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining me is a veteran trial lawyer out

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Speaker 1: of the LA jurisdiction. He's tried a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: He's at Slaton Lawyers. Okay, Troy, I want to get

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Speaker 1: your legal opinion, because I've seen defense attorney to do

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Speaker 1: it over and over again, and it's a tried and

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Speaker 1: true tactic they try. If you've got a good the

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Speaker 1: state puts up a really good witness, right, they try

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Speaker 1: They have motions for mistrial. They you know, knock over

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Speaker 1: their bucket of water on the table. The client acts

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Speaker 1: like he's going to pass out anything to slow damn

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Speaker 1: out the witness, you know, like in a basketball gang

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Speaker 1: time out, time out, time out, right, when the other

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Speaker 1: side's about to score. Time out. Yeah, that's what that is.

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Speaker 1: They're trying because they're not going to get a mistrial,

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Speaker 1: all right. That is total BS technical legal term. They're

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Speaker 1: not getting a mistrial, right, or the judge would have

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Speaker 1: already granted it. That's not happening. But this is a

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Speaker 1: way to slow down Jang's testimony. Agree or disagree, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible.

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Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what the defense strategy is, but

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Speaker 5: I know that both sides you tactics to slow things down,

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Speaker 5: and in this case, the defense was really concerned about

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Speaker 5: the jury. Repeatedly seen Jane Doe's iPhone messages and it

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Speaker 5: was showing potentially. Prosecutors argue her state of mind. The

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Speaker 5: defense attorneys argue that it was improperly bolsting her testimony

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Speaker 5: and that it was hearsay. It was an out of

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me just break down what you just said.

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Speaker 1: You state that it was an out of court statement

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Speaker 1: that is being presented for his veracity or his truth.

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Speaker 1: That's like, that's bad. But when that particular witness is

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Speaker 1: would be disallowed. Straight back out to Tisa Tell's joining

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Speaker 1: US Investigator commentator host of Tisa tells on YouTube, Okay, Tisa,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about him forcing her comes forcing

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Speaker 1: Jane not her real name, to put makeup over her

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Speaker 1: bruises and get back in the ring.

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Speaker 2: Listen, that detail disgusted everyone. Everybody knows what is coming

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Speaker 3: And to do a Cassie. The thing is being in

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Speaker 2: But when you saw the jury's fasis, when you saw

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Speaker 2: the up with disgust, when you saw each horrific, you

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Speaker 2: that there were pictures of she demanded that her get

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Speaker 2: pierced and it got infected and because it was pulling

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You

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Speaker 1: kind of like come glossed over that. I believe what

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Speaker 1: you meant to say, Tisa Tails is that Sean Combs

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Speaker 1: demanded that Jane have her nipples pierced. She didn't want to,

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Speaker 1: he insisted on it. They got infected. There's no nice

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Speaker 1: way to say it. There was puss and she removed

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Speaker 1: the nipple piercings, and he got mad and demanded she

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Speaker 1: repierced the nipples. Okay, hit me, tell me the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And I especially want to hear aside from the nipple piercings,

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear about the jury looking disgusted,

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Speaker 1: because there's nothing better for the state than a juror

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Speaker 1: to actually get nauseated during the testimony. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So start at the beginning Okay.

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Speaker 2: The first time I saw the juris get visibly disgusted

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Speaker 2: to sir By frog trickter into going the whole.

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Speaker 3: Tall nights, even though it was supposed to be them.

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Speaker 3: She would show up, he would demand she would put.

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Speaker 2: On these stripper costumes, these seven inch plastic hills slipping

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Speaker 2: around a baby oil, and he even demanded, in addition

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Speaker 2: to fix it getting new veneers, that she'd get her

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Speaker 2: stripper costumes that she had to stay in for thirty

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Speaker 2: six to forty hours. There was infection, there was puss,

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Speaker 2: there was bleeding. When we heard that, we were all repulsed.

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Speaker 2: But to see the effect on the jury, it really

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Speaker 2: took if everybody was just shocked and disgusted.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: She kept on telling about how while this was going

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Speaker 2: she had to take it out and he kept demanding,

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Speaker 2: you've put those back in, when is it coming in.

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Speaker 2: It really hammered home that he had complete control of

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Speaker 3: It was a performance that was on demand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was the first time I genuinely saw the

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Speaker 2: jury saying Okay, this is too much. But since then,

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Speaker 2: in Janejoe's testimony, the jury has been with Jane Doe.

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Speaker 2: The level of brutality that's been played again. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot that are older men and women rubbing their heads,

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Speaker 3: This is not going good with two Diddy.

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Speaker 2: And to your point, I do believe this is why

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Speaker 1: We're hearing a lot from the stand now. I want

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Speaker 1: to pull it up. I want to hear Sean Comes voicemail.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to address with you, Tisa, what

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Speaker 1: we just heard from Troy Slayton about Jane's messages text

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Speaker 1: messages to Sean Comes. What did they reveal?

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Speaker 3: Dave rebil that unlike Cassie who you have the violence.

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Speaker 2: So a normal person, a reasonable person wouldn't think that

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Speaker 2: that was consensual, but Jane had an extra level continual messages.

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Speaker 3: I don't like this. You lied to me.

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Speaker 2: You said it would be just us this time. You're

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Speaker 2: making me take pills and show up and perform. You're

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Speaker 2: using me as your own, for lack of better words,

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Speaker 2: a prostitute. I'm just a toy to you. But it

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Speaker 2: was continuing hammering, no, I don't want this, no that

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Speaker 2: I don't want this. You took me, You lied to me.

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Speaker 2: And I see why the defense is so worried because

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Speaker 2: it was not playing well with the jury. Everything that

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Speaker 2: they said that Cassie didn't have as evidence Jane actually has.

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Speaker 2: And again with each message, every single message at one

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Speaker 3: I just want you. I don't want this, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to do this. Can we stop? Please? And there

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Speaker 3: were messages even to KK, who I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure you guys are aware the prosecutors named as a

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Speaker 2: co conspirator in court last week. So it was really

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Speaker 2: pulling together the rico and really proving pulling in that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a grown woman making a grown decision.

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Speaker 3: This was forced.

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Speaker 2: This was brutality, and it literally was when she stopped

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Speaker 2: saying yeah, I'm fine with the party, and when she

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Speaker 2: started saying no, that's when the diddy that Cassie knows

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Speaker 3: So it was a really powerful moment in court.

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Speaker 1: You know, tast the tales. I was thinking about something

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Speaker 1: that Jane not her real name said on the stand.

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Speaker 1: She was dating so to speak, Sean Combs and they

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Speaker 3: I don't want this. You lied to me, You think

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Speaker 3: He classed it up since the free calls. The free

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Speaker 4: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my friend. I'm in Miami. I don't have

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Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna be explaining to you. Don't matter

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Speaker 7: I'm saying I could do whatever I want to, but

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Speaker 7: I don't deserve you. I don't deserve being honest with somebody.

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Speaker 1: tell Jane not her real name, that he has a

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Speaker 1: because that's really all it is. Okay, describe these two

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Speaker 2: Because when that message was played and he said you

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Speaker 3: But at that moment, there was one.

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Speaker 3: But when it descended into the gas lighting, where.

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Speaker 6: She's still saying in her sweet honey voice, you know,

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Speaker 3: She was in a thing.

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Speaker 2: The level of gaslighting, the level of manipulation, and the

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Speaker 3: It was really, really.

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Speaker 2: Bad, and I think at that time they said, we

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Speaker 1: So taste the tails. Joining us at the courthouse. I

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Speaker 1: know you're not an actress, but could you just display

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Speaker 1: I gotta see this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so one juror which I'm not gonna lie before

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Speaker 2: she seemed to not be buying anything the prosecution was

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Speaker 2: as ground zero of this might be the nullification. When

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Speaker 1: Straight out to renounce. Psycho Alice joining us from Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's the author of deal Breakers. You

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Speaker 1: can see her now on Peacock and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. When

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Speaker 1: I heard his words is a job, that's all it is.

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Speaker 2: That sealed it.

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Speaker 1: He is sex trafficking. He's luring these women, as Tisa

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Speaker 9: Nancy, what's the difference between this and some guys standing

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Speaker 9: and then then gaining control over them, and then giving

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Speaker 9: this on as a job, so you can't stop doing this.

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Speaker 9: It's the same tactic, whether it's from a pedophile, sex

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Speaker 9: And when we think of the domestic abuse hotline, I

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Speaker 9: was looking at the science of domestic abuse, possessiveness, control, belittling,

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Speaker 9: humiliating you in front of other people. I could go

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Speaker 9: on and on, but this is this is domestic abuse, yes,

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Speaker 1: Join me now, host of Naughty but Nice podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can find him at Robshooter dot substack dot com. That

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Speaker 1: sh ut Er, author of the Forward Answer, and more

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Speaker 1: importantly for tonight, the former PR guru for Sean Comes.

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Speaker 1: I was concerned that when you heard his voice on

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Speaker 1: would show one side, the side that you orchestrated. Rob

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Speaker 1: Shooter to the public. The glam Diddy, But now we're

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Speaker 1: learning about pimp Diddy. That's what we're learning. This woman,

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Speaker 1: Jane had mouth sores, urinary repeat urinary tract infections, and

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Speaker 1: Yet you heard the way he talked to her, basically

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Speaker 8: It's really an alarming, horrifying insight. I've spoke to you before, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: He plots his life as I think Jane here has

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Speaker 8: What she did on the stand was so amazing. It

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Speaker 8: I spoke to my Diddy sources, and for the first

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Speaker 8: They were confident, over confident for a long time, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: That tide has changed. Now they fear, they're real, real

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Speaker 1: And you know what Rob Shooter, You, with all these

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Speaker 1: smell the stink of fear. You can. Actually it's like

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Speaker 1: a presence in the courtroom. Once the tide turns, certainly

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Speaker 1: the whole dynamic changes in the courtroom. And I want

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Speaker 1: to hear from your point of view, specifically, how Sean

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Speaker 8: He'll be shocked, so at first he'll be in denial

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Speaker 8: I'm losing the crowd. That's what he must be feeling

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Speaker 8: right now. He is losing this jury. However, knowing Puffy

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Speaker 10: He's going to be screaming at his lawyers. He's going

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Speaker 10: to be screaming at his team. It's no coincidence that

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Speaker 10: influence people to say nice things. They know, they know

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Speaker 10: they're in trouble, but they are not giving up without

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Speaker 1: Did you hear Rob Shooter that Ray j who I

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Speaker 1: leave the country because of the Didy trial. He should

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Speaker 1: want to stay in the country because of the Diddy trial,

436
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: because these women are being represented in court, They're being

437
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Speaker 1: given a voice after years of abuse. But he wants

438
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Speaker 1: to leave the country. Really him and Alec Baldwin.

439
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Speaker 4: Bye, I heard this story.

440
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Speaker 8: I saw your conversation with him. I think into that

441
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 8: being a coward. You know, Nancy, I do not have

442
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 8: to sit down and get on your show with you,

443
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 8: as much as I enjoy talking to you, Nancy, but

444
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 8: I think people that worked with Diddy, people that maybe

445
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 8: once defended Diddy, have to nice speak out. You can't

446
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 8: be quiet, you can't run away. That is being complicit.

447
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 8: You have to speak out. There are a lot of

448
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 8: people in New York around the world who made a

449
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 8: lot of money by being around Diddy. Editors of magazines,

450
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 8: executives at Esta Lorda, the Fragrance Company, Executives at maces

451
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 8: where they sold his clothing line. Where are all those

452
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 8: people now? I tried to come and call a lot

453
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 8: of them, and nobody's returning my cause they are all

454
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Speaker 8: running away, maybe not leaving the country, but the running away.

455
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Speaker 1: Running away from Shawn Combs. And also what's concerning for instance,

456
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Speaker 1: here Ray j is a great example. He seems very likable.

457
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people think he's handsome and talented.

458
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: If he is siding with Shawn Combs after all this testimony,

459
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Speaker 1: that's not good because it's a test for who on

460
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Speaker 1: the jury could be feeling the same way. Back to

461
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Speaker 1: Tisa Tels joining us outside the courthouse, you described one gurrr,

462
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Speaker 1: a lady gerrar, who you've been a little worried about

463
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Speaker 1: up front, and then you went to two other jurrrs,

464
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Speaker 1: I believe you said, on the back left.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the middle row on the left. Okay,

466
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Speaker 2: they're sharing a monitor.

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Speaker 3: Again. I have to tell you how impactful this was.

468
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Speaker 3: The prosecution didn't just show one picture, two picture. It

469
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Speaker 3: was like again again and again. So it was rapid fire.

470
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Speaker 2: And they were leaning in almost as if they were

471
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Speaker 2: looking at like gruesome carnage and leaning out. At one

472
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Speaker 2: point she looked to the side. The jury was visibly uncomfortable.

473
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Speaker 3: They were squirming.

474
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: They literally had to look away, and the prosecution didn't

475
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Speaker 2: let up. Another picture, another picture, another picture, and it

476
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: was so impactful. Again, I'm not gonna lie. At that time,

477
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Speaker 2: I think mistrial. They started to get the idea of

478
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Speaker 2: throwing in another mistrial. The jury was repulsed. But again

479
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Speaker 2: this shock the all leaning in like what is that?

480
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was a lot.

481
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Speaker 3: Again.

482
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Speaker 2: We wanted to see what was on those photos too,

483
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Speaker 2: But I see the point the prosecution was making, like

484
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Speaker 2: these are very graphic, disgusting whatever it.

485
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Speaker 3: Is, but it bought it home on what a hotel night?

486
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Speaker 3: Was a dirty free call?

487
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Speaker 1: Tason. What about the male jurors are they responding the

488
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Speaker 1: same way as the lady grors?

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Speaker 2: I gotta go how to say, it was a little

490
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Speaker 2: bit concerned about the male jervers, but when it comes

491
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Speaker 2: to the graphic nature and the pictures, they also were

492
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: very very disgusted again leaning in, what is that, rubbing

493
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Speaker 2: their heads looking to the side, just being like.

494
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Speaker 3: Are these size of woof? Like it was a lot.

495
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: Again the prosecution through all of the smoke screens.

496
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Speaker 3: You know, they are moving forward now and again.

497
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Speaker 2: When we heard testimony about the ten thousand rent and

498
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Speaker 2: whether you know she was a girlfriend or not, it

499
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Speaker 2: seemed like they might have.

500
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Speaker 3: Been losing them, but the pictures it bought it home.

501
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: You know, to Troy Slayton, trial lawyer out of LA

502
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: when a grown man looks away from a photo of

503
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Speaker 1: a sex scene with disgust, a man looks away, it's bad.

504
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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 5: But here's here's what really concerns me, Nancy, is that

506
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 5: the prosecutors shouldn't overplay their hand. They've got a lot

507
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: of great evidence against Ditty. But if they engage in

508
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: prosecutorial misconduct.

509
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Why do you if they engage in prospect enough evidence.

510
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: If you're saying the state's putting on too much evidence,

511
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: it's true.

512
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: They can't use is one witness to say that Diddy

513
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 5: is a liar again and again unless he testifies. So

514
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: the federal rules of evidence are very specific.

515
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Speaker 4: All you've got to defend is a liar.

516
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Looking away from a photo of a naked woman.

517
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Speaker 5: Nancy.

518
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: They're disgusted, they're nauseated, they're grossed out, and you're talking

519
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: what that's what I'm as But you're trying to make

520
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: me talk about something.

521
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 5: They have a great, wonderful playbook of all this evidence.

522
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 5: Why don't they just stick to that? Why do they

523
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 5: try to overplay their hand by keeping to show these

524
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: text messages that say that Diddy is a liar because.

525
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Speaker 1: The federal rule that's terrible when you have a royal

526
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Speaker 1: federal rules don't allow it.

527
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Speaker 11: Jane says. Did he flew her to Vegas on his

528
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 11: private jets so they could have a hotel night where

529
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 11: Jane says she had sex with an entertainer other men

530
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 11: she would have sex with at Comb's direction. Combs uses

531
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Speaker 11: the term freak to refer to her, sometimes saying he

532
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 11: wants his freak, meaning he wanted her to be wild

533
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 11: and sexual.

534
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 12: Jane asked Diddy on multiple occasions to allow the men

535
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 12: he was directing her to have sex with wear condoms

536
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 12: during hotel nights, but Didy was dismissive. A conversation was

537
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 12: captured on video of a hotel night. Jane can be

538
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 12: heard asking don to wear a condom, but did he intervenes?

539
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 12: When Prosecutor Comy asks why Jane needed Comb's permission to

540
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Speaker 12: have the men wear a condom, Jane gets emotional, saying

541
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Speaker 12: she was still trying to process that.

542
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Tasa Tails joining us from the courthouse would not allow

543
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Speaker 1: her to have the guy. The entertainer sex worker paid

544
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Speaker 1: sex worker where a condom. He insisted, does she have

545
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: unpre detected sex with a male sex worker? And you

546
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: hear it on the audio.

547
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: You hear it on the audio. You hear her sweet

548
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: caramel baby boy saying.

549
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: Can we please, it's on the chair, can you just

550
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: get it? And you hear Diddy coming in saying, what

551
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: are you talking about?

552
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: You already did it once, you already took the d

553
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: without it. At that point, again, people were on the

554
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: fence is this a love story because she was painting

555
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: it as a love story. It actually sounds like she

556
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: still loves this guy, but she was still telling her truth.

557
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: And when that happened, the repulsion, there was a gas

558
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: in the courtroom and the repulsion that you saw on

559
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: the jurors faces. And that's when the men realize there

560
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: is not a person on earth that would choose I

561
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: would hope not to have unprotected sex with a entertainer

562
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: willingly unless there was something else going on.

563
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Speaker 3: So it was a very shocking moment in the courtroom.

564
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: And I think hearing him boy her on camera on

565
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: tape was a lot. It was a lot to take in.

566
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: You hear that.

567
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, the death now I hear it again, is

568
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Speaker 1: coming from the witness stand in the Diddy trial.

569
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Speaker 5: For whom the bell told thoughts, Yes.

570
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: That's your thought. You ripped off the title of a book, Nancy.

571
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 5: The bells don't mean anything here. What matters is what

572
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: happens in the courtroom. And there are rules that both

573
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: sides have to follow.

574
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I know somebody that disagrees with you.

575
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Her name is Lynn Shaw. She is a founder and

576
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: director of Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit which means a lot

577
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: to me because she ain't in it for the money

578
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: dedicated to stopping sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls.

579
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Speaker 13: Thoughts, thoughts, I'm jumping out of my chair here, Triple D, dirty, degenerate.

580
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I am so happy.

581
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 13: I'm going to use the word happy. I never smile,

582
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 13: I never say i'm happy. I am happy that we

583
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 13: are in week five of this trial because Jane has

584
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 13: brought forth now all of this that I was hoping

585
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 13: and praying for. Because I've been involved, Nancy, in so

586
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 13: many of these cases with victims sex trafficking, and we

587
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 13: can't prove them.

588
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I've been so worried.

589
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 13: But you know what, Jane put us over the edge,

590
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 13: and I'm so glad Tisa is here to lay out

591
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 13: what the jury how they're reacting, their facial expressions. They're disgusted,

592
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 13: and you know what, real men don't beat women. So

593
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 13: I'm happy to hear they're repelling, they're looking disgusted, the

594
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 13: women are looking away because again I always maintained Cassie video.

595
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 13: Now we have Jane, Now we have all this testimony,

596
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 13: and you know what, Jane is a victim of trauma bonding.

597
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 13: I am waiting. I am hoping somebody takes the stand

598
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 13: that's going to describe what these women go through, this

599
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 13: trauma bonding. They think they're in love, but they're just

600
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 13: attached to this abuse. And furthermore, in the work we do,

601
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 13: sex is not work. So when I hear get back

602
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 13: on your job or whatever he said, you know what

603
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 13: that says to me. Sex trafficking, that says to me, prostitution,

604
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 13: that says to me. Pimp, that says to me, brothel owner.

605
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 13: So you know what, this is a great week. We've

606
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 13: started strong. Let it continue. Dirty Diddy going down.

607
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Tisa tails joining us outside of the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa,

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Speaker 1: I asked you about the yours reactions, which is really

609
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Speaker 1: important to me. At the end of every day during

610
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Speaker 1: a trial, not at the end of the trial, but

611
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: every day, I would stand in front of the jury

612
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Speaker 1: box after everybody had left the courtroom, typically with my

613
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Speaker 1: longtime investigator of ten years, Ernest and we would go through, Okay,

614
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: jerr one sits here, blah blah blah, and go through

615
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: each one and describe what we observed their reactions to

616
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Speaker 1: be during the trial. Because it matters if one gerror

617
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Speaker 1: is not responding to the testimony, I would argue directly

618
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Speaker 1: to that gr or ask my questions to the witness

619
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Speaker 1: over here while looking at that GRR to get the GURRR.

620
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Speaker 1: So now I want to hear about the defendant Sean comes,

621
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Speaker 1: how it comes, and or his defense team, which is

622
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Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar ensemble. How are they responded.

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Speaker 2: So the defense team Tenny Garrigos and Mark Agnofilio, Okay,

624
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: they seem to always be in a constant huddle.

625
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: But here's the weird part.

626
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Speaker 2: I firmly believe Sean Diddycombs is a complete control of

627
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Speaker 2: his legal team. He's always furiously writing notes, telling them,

628
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: interrupting when they're doing their questioning passing notes for them

629
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Speaker 2: to pay attention are they have been furiously huddling to themselves,

630
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Speaker 2: but then also looking at Sean to actually see how

631
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Speaker 2: he's taking it. Brian still is also very casually, always

632
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: looking over and testing, tacking the waters. He the last

633
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: few days of the Jane do trial, he has been

634
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: up set. He has not been happy, even his minions

635
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: that he has trying to make nice with all the

636
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: bloggers in the media. There is an urgency and I'm

637
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: not gonna lie a bit of desperation that's going going down.

638
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: How's he behaving oddly? Also, I think that's when you really.

639
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: See his his issues, what power and control.

640
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: After the judge yelled at him last week, he's been

641
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: oddly staring at the judge, deciding to get up for

642
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: no reason in the middle court so he could pour

643
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: himself a glass of water, doing all these weird games

644
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: for lack of better word. But but it's starting to

645
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: wreak of desperation. It started, and that's why it's so

646
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: odd that when you hear about the mistrial on the outside, yeah,

647
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: it sounds like they might have something, but in that court,

648
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Jane is having them in a meltdown and Diddy seems

649
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: to have a constantly angry and kind of defiant look

650
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: when his mask slips, and he keeps trying to keep

651
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: us cool.

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Speaker 3: But they're looking at him. I think the real Who

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Speaker 3: song Colmbs is starting to come.

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Speaker 4: Out crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 11: Jane sniffles on and off, and Comy asks about the

656
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Speaker 11: time she cried after hotel nights. Jane says the first

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Speaker 11: time was early in her relationship with Combs and Beverly

658
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Speaker 11: Hills at the Waldorf. She thought they were going to

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Speaker 11: have a one on one date night, but Diddy said

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Speaker 11: they would have an entertainer, but it would be quick.

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Speaker 11: The entertainer was there for eighteen hours, and once they

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Speaker 11: were finished with the entertainer did he told her he

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Speaker 11: had to leave. Jane began to cry and Combs looked disgusted.

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Speaker 11: The second time, Jane was having sex with Paul. Then

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Speaker 11: she remembers being in the shower with Combs and she

666
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Speaker 11: starts to cry. Combs tells her, don't do that right

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Speaker 11: now because he was too high. She stopped crying.

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Speaker 1: Okay to Tisa Tails joining us at the courthouse a

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Speaker 1: store off, Tisa tales on YouTube, I'm just imagining how

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Speaker 1: the jury is responding to her crying on the stand.

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Speaker 1: We can't see a picture of her, just those horrible

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Speaker 1: sketches that come out of the courtroom. What does she

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Speaker 1: look like? What is her demeanor? I mean, is she

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Speaker 1: making the jurrs feel protective of her?

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Speaker 2: Listen, I felt protective of her. Her demeanor is very

676
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: very feminine. Okay, not seductive, just very feminine, very pleasing.

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Speaker 3: Her voice sounds like warm sunshine.

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Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you about those cries, and it's hard,

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Speaker 2: and I think the defense realized she was going to

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Speaker 2: be a problem the first time her voice broke. When

681
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Speaker 2: I say, her cries sound like the way I imagine

682
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Speaker 2: a bunny rabbit being tortured sounds, they are gut breaching,

683
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Speaker 2: they are heartbreaking, and it literally does something to convey

684
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Speaker 2: the level of pain. Again, my eyes teared up when

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Speaker 2: I heard her voice crack and when she said it.

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Speaker 2: But there's a thing where you feel somebody's heart is

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Speaker 2: breaking to their soul. It really woke the jury up.

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Speaker 2: The jury was at attention, and you know what, when

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Speaker 2: I looked at the jury, they were starting to take

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Speaker 2: notes after that.

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Speaker 3: Again, this wasn't regular. I was so sad.

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Speaker 2: It was heart wrenching cries of just complete destitute. Again,

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Speaker 2: imagine a bunny rabbit being tortured, and that's.

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Speaker 3: What you felt like listening to her cry.

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Speaker 2: So again, it's hard to hear it in the transcripts

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Speaker 2: and to convey.

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Speaker 3: The way she is swaying the jury. But she is

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Speaker 3: a problem. And let's also not forget the defense.

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Speaker 2: The defense is also arguing that they want to bring

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Speaker 2: doctor Hughes back.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the victory laugh.

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Speaker 2: But also keep in mind with her that the violence,

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Speaker 2: we have, the coercion, we have the fraud, but the

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Speaker 2: violence is coming in. So again I think they have

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Speaker 2: a problem. They have a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, when she tastes a tale said it

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Speaker 1: sounded like a bunny rabbit, a little bunny being tortured,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. And did you hear that? It was very quick?

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Speaker 1: But Tom says, I'm bringing in an entertainer. There euphemism

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Speaker 1: talk about airbrushing for a paid sex worker, and he says,

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Speaker 1: it'll be quick.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like what I would tell the children when they're

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Speaker 1: about to get a big shot, you know, at the

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Speaker 1: pediatrician's gonna be fasking me all over and it lasted

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Speaker 1: eighteen hours, and the woman had back ailments from eighteen

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Speaker 1: hours of holding these weird sex positions.

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Speaker 9: And Nancy, this is why the male as well as

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Speaker 9: the female jurors look disgusted and revulsed. Disgust is sort

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Speaker 9: of an instinctual response to something that we think will

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Speaker 9: harm us or be dangerous to us. It's it's what

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Speaker 9: helps us to survive as a species. So it makes

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Speaker 9: me think about what are they looking at in those pictures.

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Speaker 9: They're not just looking at people having sex, They're looking

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Speaker 9: at people being hurt. That's why they are disgusted. And

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Speaker 9: Shane is fascinating because she has elicited empathy.

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Speaker 1: Empathy is very.

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Speaker 9: Hard for human beings when they're inundated with data, and

729
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Speaker 9: it's hard for juries. But when somebody cries softly like

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Speaker 9: a bunny and they talk about the experience of being

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Speaker 9: in love with somebody who ends up torturing them, that

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Speaker 9: is very relatable. It's human. We've all gone through that

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Speaker 9: on some level, whether it's just going out on a

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Speaker 9: date and then the guy ghosts you or never calls

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Speaker 9: you again. That kind of pain is heartbreaking. So I

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Speaker 9: think This is our magic moment where the jury is

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Speaker 9: going to really has been grasping the true essence of

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Speaker 9: the sex trafficking and the torture.

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Speaker 1: And then Rob she'ter gaslighting her by having other women

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Speaker 1: over to quote work out. I mean, she goes for

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Speaker 1: eighteen hours with a male sex worker, eighteen hours, gets

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Speaker 1: urinary tract infections, mouth source, and chronic back pain. And

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Speaker 1: then he advice a woman over to quote work out

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Speaker 1: and dares to get mad at her when she's hurt.

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Speaker 4: It's hurritic.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 8: We don't know who this guy is, but he is

748
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Speaker 8: just a real We know he's a bad guy. But

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Speaker 8: what I think doesn't matter, it's what the jury thinks.

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Speaker 8: And I've got to agree here. This is a turning point, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you all my Diddy sources, all the people

752
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Speaker 8: I have been speaking to, they thought they were really

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Speaker 8: quite arrogant and confident, and dare I say, last week

754
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Speaker 8: even a little bit cocky.

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Speaker 9: It's changed.

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Speaker 8: They are frightened. Diddy is scared something has happened in

757
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Speaker 8: this court and that person that something is Jay and

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Speaker 8: this testimony is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Wen Charge joining us from Liam's warriors, there is no

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Speaker 1: way that an eighteen hour sex session with a male

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Speaker 1: sex worker is consensual.

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 13: Now you understand from day one, Nancy, why I always

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Speaker 13: called him dirty Diddy. Eighteen hours. I think that's forced coercion,

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Speaker 13: forcing these women to do things like this, this testimony.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying it.

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Speaker 13: Jane has turned the whole case around, because I agree

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Speaker 13: with Rob, because I heard from a few sources. Up

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Speaker 13: until now, it's been kind of that we're worried about things.

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Speaker 13: But now Jane has turned it all around. But eighteen hours.

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Speaker 13: Can you imagine we work with women, their bodies, what

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Speaker 13: their bodies go through, what their minds go through, and

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Speaker 13: what happens at the end of eighteen hours. So I

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Speaker 13: also want to point out what's happening in the court.

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Speaker 13: Do we have there some counselors for somebody like a

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Speaker 13: Jane when she's done relaying all this information. I'm very

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Speaker 13: worried about these women. Cassie included Jane, and so you

778
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Speaker 13: know what, we have to always focus on victims, victims, survivors,

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Speaker 13: and I hope there's somebody there for them in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just a sun falls, goodbye, Rin