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Speaker 1: Hey folks, it is Thursday, December the eighteenth. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a lot of drama at the sentencing

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Speaker 1: for Brian Walsh. We knew he was going to get

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Speaker 1: in life without the possibility of parole, but that didn't

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Speaker 1: mean it was not full of high trauma, high tension,

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Speaker 1: and yes, high emotion. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of amy and TJ roach. You said before we

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Speaker 1: As we saw him walk out of the courtroom with

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Speaker 1: that life without parole sentence, you said that the last

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Speaker 2: And I bet anyone who loved Anna and who was

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Speaker 2: seeking justice hopes not only do we never see Brian

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Speaker 2: man again. Given the sentence, he was just handed.

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Speaker 1: He was just handed, and the judge was She kept

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Speaker 1: the same tone, but she was very harsh in her

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Speaker 1: into that also. Victim impact statements, there were a number

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Speaker 1: someone submitted on behalf of the children, some family members,

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Speaker 1: some friends submitted letters. Only one person today. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know this ahead of time, but only one person spoke

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Speaker 1: in court today and it was some tear jerking and

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Speaker 1: very difficult stuff to hear.

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Speaker 3: It was incredibly powerful.

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Speaker 2: We heard from Anna's sister and she spoke from the heart,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I hadn't really considered how incredibly painful

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Speaker 2: it is for the family of Anna Walsh. Take put

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Speaker 2: the murder and the dismemberment and the headlines and all

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Speaker 2: put that all aside. They have never been able and

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Speaker 2: will never be able to bury on a Walsh. They

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Speaker 2: the closure that having a more orial service or a

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Speaker 2: funeral gives the family. No what doesn't bring your loved

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Speaker 2: able to visit, whether it's a grave site or a

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Speaker 2: or feel close to the person you lost. Brian Walsh

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Speaker 2: took that away from her family in addition to taking

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Speaker 2: I heard her. Sister's name is Alexandra when I heard

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Speaker 1: Well, we said, and some of the attorneys we were

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Speaker 1: talking through throughout this, we're talking about you can't put

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Speaker 1: to say is ask him, is the prosecution where's the body?

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Speaker 1: Does he even know? Right? He chopped her up and

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Speaker 1: put her in different places? Is it now an impossibility?

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Speaker 1: No matter what he said, is it impossible to find

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Speaker 2: I would imagine if he put them in dumpsters that

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Speaker 2: literally burn the trash, that know, there is no chance

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Speaker 1: On a wallace, but even a landfill after all these years, Like,

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Speaker 1: even if he decided to speak, which he did not,

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Speaker 1: we should mention he did not and he was not

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Speaker 1: Maybe they knew ahead of time. But even if he

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Speaker 2: It was interesting that there was no mention of him

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Speaker 2: until that very moment you just mentioned it. Because we thought,

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Speaker 2: I think, leading into this sentencing hearing, that he would

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna ask you. We were in two

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to discuss with you until now.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of him in court today? We've

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Speaker 1: watched him every single day. What did you make of

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Speaker 2: First of all, it was the first time we actually

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Speaker 2: And I just thought even his choice of clothing was disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: he wasn't dressed. It was almost like, yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: It was almost it was a cool golf eyed outing outfit,

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Speaker 2: I was saying it like a quarter or a half zip,

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Speaker 3: Per usual.

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Speaker 1: Not as clean shaven today, as you notice that, I

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Speaker 1: And I swear to god, I saw smirks at times

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Speaker 2: I saw a smirk. Okay, I saw a smirk when

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Speaker 2: the judge was talking to him. Really yes, I saw,

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Speaker 1: Hid wow, and she absolutely did. But before we got

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Speaker 1: a sweet little lady. She walked up there, polite, fairly,

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Speaker 1: but a little lady. She spoke, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Robes. She didn't direct anything to him.

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Speaker 2: Woman, listening to her talk about losing her sister, the

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Speaker 2: more than anyone else, the person who knows things about

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Speaker 2: her that no one else does. I mean, that's such

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Speaker 2: That really got me. I actually have part of the

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Speaker 1: The milestones right, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she said, I struggle with the grief that comes

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Speaker 2: knowing that her her children must now grow up without

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Speaker 2: deeply and painfully felt her. Even just putting that imagery

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Speaker 3: That got me.

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Speaker 1: It gets every parent. And I don't know, I assume

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Speaker 1: a milestone is the first day of kindergarten, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, losing your first tooth.

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Speaker 1: All of those little things that your mama helped you through.

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Speaker 1: When you think about that, I think about all those

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Speaker 1: a brilliant Yes. We think about graduate we think about weddings,

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Speaker 2: Those little boys, the two youngest, will never even remember

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Speaker 2: So yes, she was poised, she was in control, and

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Speaker 2: but talked about her mother's grief and her mother's severe

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Speaker 1: Had sweet little voice. I don't think she cracked that much,

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Speaker 1: think to thank the prosecution. Yes, she thanked and said

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Speaker 1: You remind me if it happened during the trial. But

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Speaker 1: she never got the proper cultural, religious burial because there's

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Speaker 1: That that has complicated them giving the proper burial they want,

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Speaker 2: So yes, they need a death certificate for a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that would be of great help.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who was raising them, I'm I mean,

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Speaker 1: But the thing that stood out to me, and oh

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Speaker 3: Like they're with family.

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Speaker 2: It could be that they're overseeing them and they're you know,

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Speaker 2: But and I'm sure that's by design. This has been

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Speaker 1: It does it seems like we were talking about I

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Speaker 1: remember them saying that about the letters submitted but the family.

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Speaker 1: The sister got up there and spoke about the kids

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Speaker 1: in such a way that it sounded like family was together.

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Speaker 2: It did, And that's why I had like a glimmer

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Speaker 1: And credit too. This is what I was getting to

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Speaker 1: move forward. Look everybody we saw in there, and did

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Speaker 1: you hear the prosecutor gave great compliments to the defense attorneys. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But you'll never be fully healed.

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Speaker 2: But getting some sort of justice and having that moment

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Speaker 1: She used that word unfinished grief said by doing what

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Speaker 1: All this was going on, and it added an extra

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, the defense did get up and

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Speaker 1: She did not listen to them. Stay here, we will

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Speaker 2: Welcome back on sentencing day for Brian Walsh, and it

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Speaker 2: And to hear from Anna's sister and to hear her

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did. I don't know what impact that

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Speaker 3: They conveying a body?

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Speaker 1: Why, like you actually do wonder this is a good question.

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Speaker 1: Who gives it? Damn he's going to life in prison

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Speaker 1: without parole. But there's a very good reason why they

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it is possible through appeals that Brian Walsh

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Speaker 2: could potentially have this conviction for murder in the first

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Speaker 3: That's always possible some sort of technicality.

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Speaker 2: So these other two charges that he pleaded guilty to,

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Speaker 2: murder sentence got vacated. If he didn't have these other

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Speaker 1: And he did. Okay, this is one we talked about

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Speaker 1: inhumane to sentence him consecutively instead of concurrently. So they're

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Speaker 1: attacking the defense was arguing, do not do this consecutively,

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Speaker 1: at one time. They thought that was inhumane. They kept

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Speaker 2: I was like, guys, when the defense attorneys that he

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting, and the judge definitely took issue with that.

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Speaker 2: It had zero impact on her decision and probably pissed

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Speaker 3: So he watched this trial.

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Speaker 1: She kept her tone throughout, but her words were very harsh.

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Speaker 1: Called it a murderous act of the pain you inflicted

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting she said this sentence I'm

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Speaker 2: She did say that, right, yeah. And she when she

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Speaker 1: She was very complimentary today to Donna. Walsh said just

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Speaker 1: it in a tone that I didn't sound vindictive, mean vengeful, nothing, No,

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Speaker 3: Very even keeled.

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Speaker 2: She said it, as you point, not emotionally, but directly,

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Speaker 3: So to talk about.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we knew he was going to get life

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Speaker 3: That actually threw me to wait.

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Speaker 2: What the dismemberment charge also is shockingly low small. It's

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Speaker 2: only a mandatory three year sentence for dismembering a body.

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Speaker 1: That's the cap. That's the moment. Twenty years for the lying,

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Speaker 3: That's mind bothering to me.

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Speaker 1: But then get this, so you hear that, folks, the

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, So on the lying to police, she said

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Speaker 1: Okay, we liked the judge throughout. That was a that

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the day yes.

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Speaker 2: And right before she delivered the sentence, I do like

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Speaker 1: That was powerful and for whatever reason, the final words

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's end it, and maybe that's why my

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Speaker 1: Her you were at the tone, her tone meaning.

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Speaker 3: Like goodbye, see you never again. Right then, that was

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, that was an effective moment. They put

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Speaker 1: No one said a word, they were all standing. He

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Speaker 2: MS, it's closure, it's not it's not ever going to

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Speaker 2: and we were here for it all. And we appreciate

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Speaker 3: And so for now I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon.