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Speaker 3: And it is a Tuesday inside the SWBC podcast studio
Speaker 3: at the Star in Fresco. And this is mixshots Bill Jones,
Speaker 3: Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola on the day after the
Speaker 3: Monday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals. That was a
Speaker 3: loss in more ways than one for this Cowboys team.
Speaker 3: And how are y'all doing?
Speaker 4: I am bombed out. My brother's bombed out. I was
Speaker 4: looking forward to that fight song today this morning.
Speaker 2: I mean we were.
Speaker 3: We were striking up the band there with two minutes
Speaker 3: left of the game.
Speaker 5: We could play it if you want.
Speaker 2: No, we don't.
Speaker 5: Missouri beat number one can and basketball.
Speaker 3: Oh they did, that's right.
Speaker 2: I saw that. This is not the moment for that SPACs.
Speaker 3: But I do think of Mickey now every time Missouri
Speaker 3: does anything in sports.
Speaker 5: Even like the women's volleyball team upsetting s m U.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got that up already.
Speaker 5: I just thought out there, having a good try to
Speaker 5: live up this group.
Speaker 3: There's also a wide receiver that declared for the draft.
Speaker 5: To fit in here and he won't play it with
Speaker 5: Bowl game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but about here? Can he play here?
Speaker 5: He can play here.
Speaker 3: Because there's not every one of your players. That I mean,
Speaker 3: you've been able to watch your players for three or
Speaker 3: four years. I assess the very objectively right, and so
Speaker 3: it's just because a guy might be highly lauded by others,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean he's highly lauded by Mickey.
Speaker 2: That's it, right, exactly right. Can he play here? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: he can.
Speaker 3: Luther Burden, He's.
Speaker 5: A bigger Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why we're talking about the draft, but
Speaker 3: really I do know why we're talking about the draft.
Speaker 5: Oh man. You know what. The whole game just a
Speaker 5: microcosm of this goofy season, just one thing after another
Speaker 5: after another after another. They they play their hearts out right.
Speaker 5: They hold basically Cincinnati to twenty points that was going
Speaker 5: to be the fewest point. Four of the last five
Speaker 5: games they had played, they'd scored twenty one or more points,
Speaker 5: three of them thirty more than thirty some points and
Speaker 5: they held them to twenty. Despite what Joe Burrow was doing.
Speaker 5: He at that point, at the two minute warning, he
Speaker 5: had thrown for three hundred and twelve yards. Jamar Chase
Speaker 5: was right at just less than one hundred. And they're
Speaker 5: forcing them to punt. They forced them to punt, and
Speaker 5: of all things, the guy that's supposed to block Nick
Speaker 5: Vigil whiffs and he's like, well, okay, I'm going and
Speaker 5: he blocks the punt, but it goes forward, and then
Speaker 5: two hops later it hits Amani over Warier in the
Speaker 5: chest and it's like, oh, you got to be choking me.
Speaker 5: I think the whole thing played out. If you saw
Speaker 5: on the sideline when they flashed to John Fossil, he's celebrating,
Speaker 5: got his arms up in the air, and then it
Speaker 5: was like somebody pinched a pin in the balloon and
Speaker 5: he was deflated when he realized what happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, no, no, no, unbelievable. And when the
Speaker 3: punt block wasn't even on.
Speaker 5: No, it was not, and people think that why were
Speaker 5: they trying to block it. No, the guy just left
Speaker 5: and he goes, okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: You got a smart player, and Nick Vigil smart veteran
Speaker 3: player made a play. He just didn't block it well enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because if it goes the other way, right, I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Didn't even get credited with a block on it. He
Speaker 3: did on the stats, it doesn't show block kick if
Speaker 3: I guess, if you if you deflected and it goes
Speaker 3: past the line of scrimmage, it's now not considered a
Speaker 3: block kick that statistic, I guess, it's not all the
Speaker 3: stat sheet as a block kick thump, and that's why
Speaker 3: statistically it then becomes a muffed punt by a warrior, right,
Speaker 3: And so that's probably why they don't.
Speaker 5: But what I mean, what are the chances?
Speaker 6: And on top of it, hopefully I say the guy's name, right,
Speaker 6: it's Muma John Meta, the guy who missed the block.
Speaker 5: He recovered the ball since now you've been talking about
Speaker 5: him the whole night. If that doesn't happen, right, he
Speaker 5: blew the game because they're going to get the ball
Speaker 5: inside the fifty yep, maybe around the forty five whatever, or.
Speaker 3: Because the three yard line is where they recovery took place.
Speaker 5: And there were so many guys around, it was going
Speaker 5: to hit one of the Bengals, which makes it a
Speaker 5: dead ball, right, and that happens, It's like, see.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing that here. Ever, since here's the
Speaker 3: other thing that could have happened on it. What if
Speaker 3: it hits a Cincinnati player first, but it doesn't roll
Speaker 3: to a stop, then Ruarier can actually pick it up
Speaker 3: and run with it right and it doesn't matter. He
Speaker 3: could fumble it away and it doesn't matter. At that point,
Speaker 3: it goes back to where the Cincinnati player touched the
Speaker 3: ball would be where Dallas would have the ball said, that.
Speaker 5: Was just a game of what ifs, right, And the
Speaker 5: funny thing was, so somebody say, well, why did they
Speaker 5: go and block it. They're going to get the ball back.
Speaker 5: Call it, you know, call a fair catch. They were
Speaker 5: going to get the ball no closer than the twenty
Speaker 5: yard line. Hey, the way that.
Speaker 3: Guy is, In my opinion, they needed to block it
Speaker 3: because the offense was not moving the foot.
Speaker 5: And on top of that, right now you got to
Speaker 5: go how many yards to try to get a.
Speaker 3: Field because as it was, you get the ball back
Speaker 3: at the thirty yard line with a minute left and right,
Speaker 3: you couldn't move the football right now. In that case,
Speaker 3: you needed to score a touchdown. But if they punted away.
Speaker 3: You get the ball at the thirty and you just
Speaker 3: got to get into field goal range.
Speaker 5: And the funny thing that happened, I can't wait to
Speaker 5: get a chance to talk to him. So there's a
Speaker 5: two minute warning. A lot of time cowboys were on
Speaker 5: the field. Turpin was back, I don't know, around the
Speaker 5: twenty yard line or so something like that, and they're
Speaker 5: still in the time out, and I saw some motioning
Speaker 5: on this big at Bengal's sideline. They're jabbering at Turpin
Speaker 5: and I'm sitting there going, okay, it's turpent time, right. Well,
Speaker 5: they're trying to get in his head. He slowly walks
Speaker 5: over all the way to the sideline and is talking
Speaker 5: to him right like, okay, well you're about to see something,
Speaker 5: right if you punt it to me, And they didn't.
Speaker 5: It didn't get there.
Speaker 3: He saw something not what we wanted to see.
Speaker 5: I mean. And then I heard somebody criticizing Michael Parsons
Speaker 5: because he walked off the field and didn't shake anybody's hand.
Speaker 5: By god, I'll be damned if I would have shook hands.
Speaker 5: After that one, I'm out of there. And what was
Speaker 5: even worse, they didn't see it. There were and I
Speaker 5: don't know who they were.
Speaker 3: The helmets were off.
Speaker 5: Whatever, There's two guys on the field signing jerseys and
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there. Get your ass in the locker room.
Speaker 2: Hey, held up. That sounds like Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 3: There was a players too many guys me more than
Speaker 3: sounds just like him.
Speaker 4: Wow, Flashbatch bro thirty five years ago, be sighted another state.
Speaker 5: Oh all right, God, just unreal.
Speaker 4: Well, one thing I can say is when you you
Speaker 4: can tell when you have a veteran. We have more
Speaker 4: veterans out there, more players with experience, and it's it's
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, a small token of appreciation.
Speaker 4: I guess on my part, I was loving the way
Speaker 4: that our secondary kept everything in front.
Speaker 5: Right, And I was assuming I was going to ask
Speaker 5: you that because I was assuming that was because there
Speaker 5: were guys so wide open. Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2: Always, always, always in front, always in front.
Speaker 4: And if you see it, those yards that Burrow had,
Speaker 4: they didn't turn out to be big plays and touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Yes, Chase did have a good game out you know,
Speaker 2: with Bland.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but at that point in
Speaker 4: the game, the fact that Bland allowed him to score
Speaker 4: that quickly, I thought. I thought that was the best
Speaker 4: thing could have happened, because otherwise they're just going to
Speaker 4: keep milking the clock all the way down to kick
Speaker 4: a field goal.
Speaker 2: I thought the fact that we were able to get
Speaker 2: the ball back.
Speaker 4: In our hands, that was really a small, small thing
Speaker 4: that could that happened for us.
Speaker 5: But so do you think they were in like a
Speaker 5: zone defense?
Speaker 2: It was. It was.
Speaker 4: The way we played it, our flex zone. It would
Speaker 4: turn into a man to man and that was all fine.
Speaker 4: It was the technique itself was changed to be more conservative.
Speaker 4: In other words, I'm not trying to shut you down
Speaker 4: on every play.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be.
Speaker 4: Inside, as you know, as as I've always fussed about.
Speaker 4: If you take the inside leverage on a player, he's
Speaker 4: going to catch those eight ten yard twelve yard outbouts.
Speaker 4: That's okay, it's it's only a nuisance. It's better that
Speaker 4: than to worry about the play action burrow in the
Speaker 4: pocket all the time in the world at times, and
Speaker 4: then you're giving up a big play. So I thought
Speaker 4: it was a little bit more conservative, which to me,
Speaker 4: I like that because it seems as if the only
Speaker 4: alternative is to give up big plays. If you had
Speaker 4: a secondary or you you taught a technique to where
Speaker 4: these guys are gonna be a lot closer, that's fine.
Speaker 4: But I believe the coaching point was, we are not
Speaker 4: giving up big plays today.
Speaker 5: And you know what, the funny thing you said that.
Speaker 2: Three hundred plus yards only added up to twenty points.
Speaker 5: I counted up their plays of nineteen yards or more.
Speaker 5: They had five, Yeah, Cowboys, they had five yeah, So
Speaker 5: they matched them on big plays. Now, one of the five,
Speaker 5: obviously was the forty yarder at the end. Yeah, they only.
Speaker 2: On the forty yarder. Now, he just gotta come up
Speaker 2: and make the play. He just with, Yeah, he with.
Speaker 4: And I trust me, I've seen enough nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five thermostige plays. We did too much of
Speaker 4: that ourselves, you know. So I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: that that's something that he should be ashamed of. Yes
Speaker 4: he should be, but that happens. The best thing about
Speaker 4: that was you got it over with and now it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but well, because otherwise they're going to march down. They
Speaker 4: were already getting into field goal range, and they're going
Speaker 4: to kick a field goal with no time left on the.
Speaker 3: Clock right here, a minute left in the game.
Speaker 2: Left in the game.
Speaker 4: That's the I know that's not the way Blam was
Speaker 4: planning it, but that's something that just happened to be
Speaker 4: fortunate for us.
Speaker 5: A minute in one second, in.
Speaker 2: One second, and we if we could just move the ball,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 5: The passes that really hurt him were the ones to
Speaker 5: the running back Chase Chase Brown instead of skyp And
Speaker 5: somebody had told me early in the afternoon, watch out
Speaker 5: for this guy. He's better than people think m hm.
Speaker 5: And he hurt him not as much running the ball
Speaker 5: as he did catching those passes over the middle, because
Speaker 5: what they were doing with a lot of times they
Speaker 5: had six guys up and sometimes they dropped one or two,
Speaker 5: but a lot they were all going and they just
Speaker 5: the only sacked them twice.
Speaker 4: Besides those long handoff passes. Yes, the only ones that
Speaker 4: really hurt us, once again were the ones where we
Speaker 4: did not have inside leverage. You've got to play take
Speaker 4: away the inside. It's the lesser of the evils. Tom
Speaker 4: Landry found that out with I can't remember the wide
Speaker 4: receiver's name, nineteen eighty. We have the game in our
Speaker 4: in hand and Billy Waddle.
Speaker 3: Yep, Billy.
Speaker 4: Catches all the way across the Middland scores and we're out.
Speaker 2: I wasn't on the team at that time. I was
Speaker 2: in college.
Speaker 4: But that adjustment that we made the next year, we're
Speaker 4: going to have our leverage on the wide receiver is
Speaker 4: going to be inside leverage, not outside.
Speaker 2: You got to use your sidelines.
Speaker 4: And that's that's what they kept giving up all night
Speaker 4: long in our secondary.
Speaker 2: Play action.
Speaker 4: Looking down the field all the time in the world,
Speaker 4: you end up throwing a deep.
Speaker 2: Out route on the other side of the field.
Speaker 4: Guess what, it's eight nine yards, big freaking deal, better
Speaker 4: than nineteen or twenty. And that's been That was Tom
Speaker 4: Landry's philosophy from nineteen eighty until he retired.
Speaker 5: Because before the forty yarder, they had a twenty four
Speaker 5: yard completion to who to Chase, They had a twenty
Speaker 5: three yarder to how do you say bill iovasis yoshibas
Speaker 5: yo with an eye oh, and it starts to yo okay.
Speaker 5: And then they had a nineteen and nineteen yard completions,
Speaker 5: and they had a umble recovery on one of the nineteen,
Speaker 5: and then they ruled it in.
Speaker 4: But see The thing about offenses, and that's what I
Speaker 4: hung my hat on, is they even offensive coordinators are
Speaker 4: irritated at having to throw deep out passes. Their ego
Speaker 4: wants them to go for the home run at all times.
Speaker 4: And in my case, especially since we had the flex
Speaker 4: and you're not getting any pressure when they come with
Speaker 4: the play action on the flex, you have to be
Speaker 4: patient as a defensive back. Don't worry about those ten
Speaker 4: twelve yard routes because eventually they want you to bite
Speaker 4: and they're going to try to go deep, and that's
Speaker 4: when I would make my move, same thing that was
Speaker 4: happening in this game. They just get so impatient. Offensive
Speaker 4: coordinators are their ego driven. They think their players should
Speaker 4: work all the time. Because I thought this up myself,
Speaker 4: I know it can work. You guys, just do what
Speaker 4: I tell you to do. That's what I would bank
Speaker 4: on as a player. Eventually they're going to try and
Speaker 4: come into my zone, into where I have the leverage,
Speaker 4: simply because they think every one of ums should work.
Speaker 5: And they tried. The Cowboys tried a couple of times
Speaker 5: the nine routes deep on the sideline. They just didn't connect,
Speaker 5: didn't come close to connecting. But still they're going to
Speaker 5: have the ball twenty twenty then fifty seconds to go right,
Speaker 5: and they don't have to go far because he was
Speaker 5: Aubrey was kicking the heck out of the ball watching
Speaker 5: them in warmups, fifty nine yards it was. It was
Speaker 5: bad man, And they could have run out the clock
Speaker 5: or at least I don't remember how many times. Well
Speaker 5: they probably had all their time outs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody had an other timeouts before the but still
Speaker 4: before the block punt, you know, if you must just
Speaker 4: move it down there, unreal.
Speaker 3: A test of Everson Wall's memory. December fifteenth, nineteen eighty,
Speaker 3: Billy Waddy caught a forty yard touchdown pass, part of
Speaker 3: a five reception one hundred and twenty four yard day
Speaker 3: for the Rams in a thirty eight to fourteen win
Speaker 3: over the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: That's sad that one was. That hurts.
Speaker 3: That one was the second to last game of the
Speaker 3: season in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: That one really hurt.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good memory forever since.
Speaker 5: But they got into the NFC title game, right, and
Speaker 5: then no showed at Philadelphia the whole day, all right.
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Speaker 3: All right, we continue with mixed shots. The day after
Speaker 3: a twenty seven to twenty loss to the Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 3: we all picked the Cowboys to win. We had similar
Speaker 3: scores around the I had them thirty to.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven, thirty. I had thirty three thirty.
Speaker 5: I had thirty four to thirty three. And I said
Speaker 5: they needed to score thirty some points to win, and
Speaker 5: as it turned out, they needed to score thirty to win.
Speaker 4: And I said Digs or twenty eight. I said Digs
Speaker 4: would get a pick. That's what I said. That was
Speaker 4: my pick to clip.
Speaker 5: He kind of warmed up to the game.
Speaker 2: Did he did?
Speaker 5: Yeah, got better in the second half.
Speaker 2: Well, he knew that he knew.
Speaker 4: The action was coming. That was that was quite a challenge.
Speaker 4: That he had with not just Chase, but they got
Speaker 4: is it Huggins at Higgins Higgins Higgins, And they did a.
Speaker 5: Good job with getting Chase in the slot to getting
Speaker 5: him away from the corners until the very end.
Speaker 4: And we forced him into big sacks, forced him into
Speaker 4: a couple of bad throws, got an interception.
Speaker 5: So they had two before we get to your injuries Bill,
Speaker 5: two drive killing plays. They're at the twelve yard line
Speaker 5: going in. They're gonna throw a slant to CD and
Speaker 5: he runs into the safety, gets knocked off his route
Speaker 5: and the ball gets intercepted. Then they ended up on
Speaker 5: that one drive they were driving, rush gets sacked but
Speaker 5: it was only minus one yard and then the guy
Speaker 5: that's sixty three two and fifty pounds flops to the
Speaker 5: ground when Scoomaker puts one hand on his chest to
Speaker 5: get him away from rushing, and it got a fifteen
Speaker 5: yard personal file. They're on the movie.
Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me you can't see that that's a flop.
Speaker 5: I mean, come, that was just awful and that ended
Speaker 5: up ending in a punt. They're moving the ball. Just
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 4: Where's the one where there was one where it was
Speaker 4: offsetting penalties.
Speaker 3: We couldn't get a man off.
Speaker 10: It's like, no wonder they come on, man, this guy,
Speaker 10: if he would have just one tenth of a second
Speaker 10: faster on his forty times, he could.
Speaker 2: Have gotten off the field. Unbelievable, And I.
Speaker 4: Think we ended up getting a sad they had a
Speaker 4: sack yeah, and then of course I think they ended
Speaker 4: up being successful on the next play because.
Speaker 5: I think it was a hold yeah yeah on their
Speaker 5: part and then they converted. Just things like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now to marve on overshown and the A he
Speaker 3: suffers the knee injury that will require season ending surgery.
Speaker 3: We understand we the details have not been released yet
Speaker 3: on it. He's having testing done today, but it does
Speaker 3: not work as right a CL and reports are that there,
Speaker 3: but there are reports that it may be more than that.
Speaker 5: Well, so it's okay if it's more. If a CL
Speaker 5: is enough.
Speaker 3: Right, it's an a c L, you can come back.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at next year. In an A c L,
Speaker 3: you can come back and play next year. If it's
Speaker 3: a Nick Chubb injury, then it's Nick Chubb was over
Speaker 3: a year and that and when you sustain an injury
Speaker 3: like this in December and it's a year long rehab.
Speaker 3: Then next season is lost too. That's the disturbing thing
Speaker 3: about this as much as anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even if it was just an ACL.
Speaker 3: He would be number he would be on pup to start,
Speaker 3: our pup to start training camp, and then you hope
Speaker 3: he's ready by the start and you have him back
Speaker 3: by October maybe whatever. For right, I think the Chubb injury,
Speaker 3: I think it happened in September last year, and then
Speaker 3: he was back basically after twelve months. Thirteen months, it's
Speaker 3: basically what it took him, and so hopefully it's not
Speaker 3: to that extent.
Speaker 5: What else did he I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean we don't know. There are reports out there
Speaker 3: that it's more than just the a c L.
Speaker 5: But all right, so if it's the MCL PCL, I mean.
Speaker 3: That and even and even not all a CL injuries
Speaker 3: are the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So but just set the way kid went through
Speaker 5: all that last year, how do you how do you
Speaker 5: how do you do it again?
Speaker 2: How do you have the.
Speaker 5: I don't know, that would be devastating mentally to now
Speaker 5: I got to do this all over again. And he's
Speaker 5: playing so well, and he was playing well in the game.
Speaker 5: Now Leo file came in and made some plays. As
Speaker 5: a matter of fact, made the sack there at the
Speaker 5: end that forced that punt or what it was supposed
Speaker 5: to be a punt. And on top of that, you
Speaker 5: lose your center Cooper bebe right. They announced in the
Speaker 5: press box he had a head injury. Then he came
Speaker 5: back and I think it turned out to be more
Speaker 5: than that, And so now they lose him. So you
Speaker 5: take your back up right guard because you had to
Speaker 5: put Zach Martin on I r Uh and Rock Hoffman,
Speaker 5: who's starting at right guard now has to go play something.
Speaker 5: And now TJ. Mass who's your third guard, comes in
Speaker 5: to play right guard, and you're already down to your
Speaker 5: third tackle at left tackle. Go figure, Blame it on McCarthy.
Speaker 5: No one takes any of that into consideration.
Speaker 3: In regards to the overshown. Did you here? Were you
Speaker 3: there to see Micah talking about overshowing Kendricks as well?
Speaker 3: It was Kendricks. I read micah'sus clearly obviously a devastating
Speaker 3: injury for Demarvion, but to hear his teammates get emotional
Speaker 3: talking about it really hits home. Just just you know,
Speaker 3: the impact of that injury on the team and on
Speaker 3: him personally.
Speaker 5: Kendricks was the last guy to leave the locker room,
Speaker 5: and he stood there and answered all the questions. And
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be magnanimous or anything, but when
Speaker 5: he walked past me out in the hallway, I said,
Speaker 5: you're really a class act. I don't know if I
Speaker 5: could have stood there and talked like that. And he
Speaker 5: kind of explained everything, talked about it, talked about overshown
Speaker 5: how much he's meant to this team. And if you
Speaker 5: think about it.
Speaker 2: Conricks had about what twelve tackles he did.
Speaker 3: He had twelve tackles. He's a stud.
Speaker 5: He is really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean a stud in more than just
Speaker 3: on the field, but in the locker room. There's a
Speaker 3: reason that for a decade in this league he now
Speaker 3: he has been, uh, you know, basically a captain of
Speaker 3: a defense.
Speaker 5: You know, even Wilson had a good game. So Kendricks
Speaker 5: had twelve tackles, Wilson had nine, a half, a sack,
Speaker 5: a quarterback hit, and force fumble.
Speaker 4: I think Wilson to me, is a better player closer
Speaker 4: to them, and they need to design defenses that keeps
Speaker 4: him in that area. You know, once you start getting
Speaker 4: him back there in the back, it's just tough on him.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it yourself.
Speaker 4: He's you know, he's not he's got he's fleet of foot,
Speaker 4: but it's the footwork that is the problem that gets
Speaker 4: him in trouble.
Speaker 5: And let's go on top of that. So you're right,
Speaker 5: but they had no other safety to rotate in Marquis Bell.
Speaker 5: He's out, ye Juan ye. Thomas was out.
Speaker 2: They lost, So now we have less than one chance.
Speaker 5: But still we got a chance to see And here
Speaker 5: was the deal too, There was one thing. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're going to win the game, and you're going to
Speaker 5: get the six and seven. Yeah, all right, So for
Speaker 5: that third wild card spot that Washington's in at eight
Speaker 5: and five, there's only one other team better than them
Speaker 5: if they were six and seven that's not in first
Speaker 5: place or has the other two wild cards, and it
Speaker 5: was the Rams at seven and six. And there's as
Speaker 5: I pointed out last week, there's losses to be had.
Speaker 5: Now at five and eight, you got to win out.
Speaker 5: I means you got to go on the road and
Speaker 5: beat Philadelphia to at least get to nine and eight.
Speaker 3: Can we go back for a moment. Let's say that
Speaker 3: the punt, the block punt, was not touched by and
Speaker 3: the Cowboys took over around the forty three yard line.
Speaker 3: How would the game have played out had that happened.
Speaker 3: There was a minute fifty three left in the game, right,
Speaker 3: Cincinnati had three time out left. What were the Cowboys
Speaker 3: going to have to do offensively to win that game?
Speaker 5: They were going to have to run the balls successfully
Speaker 5: to take their timeouts away. And so you needed to
Speaker 5: get at least one first down.
Speaker 3: Don't you think I think you have to get two times. No,
Speaker 3: you have to get two first downs.
Speaker 2: I was going to say first down, because.
Speaker 3: Okay, you get you have to get the one first
Speaker 3: down on like a third down play, because now they've
Speaker 3: burned a couple of all three. Now, the only way
Speaker 3: that you would not need to get two first downs
Speaker 3: is you would have to have them use their timeouts
Speaker 3: on first down, second down, and then third down. You
Speaker 3: get the first down, and now they use another timeout,
Speaker 3: and now you can milk the clock down to kick
Speaker 3: the game winning field.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: So, for sure one first down, maybe two depending on
Speaker 3: how it played out, and you're at the forty three
Speaker 3: yard line, even though, yeah, that is within the range
Speaker 3: of Aubrey, that would be a sixty one yarder. You
Speaker 3: get the first down, now it's a fifty yarder.
Speaker 5: Okay, even if you get to the thirty five, it's
Speaker 5: a fifty three.
Speaker 3: So what are the odds that the Cowboys are getting
Speaker 3: that first down and milking it down? My point is
Speaker 3: there was a real chance, even if the Cowboys are
Speaker 3: able to kick a field goal to take the lead,
Speaker 3: that there was still going to be time left on
Speaker 3: the clock for Joe Burrow to go back down. So
Speaker 3: just because it happened doesn't mean the game was in
Speaker 3: the bag for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But it looked good, Yes, it right.
Speaker 3: We would have loved to have seen it play out
Speaker 3: that way, just to see what would have happened.
Speaker 5: And watching Aubrey warm up before the game, he was
Speaker 5: good from fifty nine.
Speaker 2: He was just nailing.
Speaker 5: Even though the roof was open, it got chilly.
Speaker 3: In there the So even if they didn't get a
Speaker 3: first down, let's just say they got nothing.
Speaker 5: Say they got to it.
Speaker 3: And they kicked a sixty yard field goal to take
Speaker 3: the lead, then Burrow is getting too much time that
Speaker 3: they're getting the football back with a minute twenty left. Basically, well,
Speaker 3: were no timeouts.
Speaker 4: The way our defensive line was playing at that time,
Speaker 4: that's right. They were bringing a lot of pressure. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that it was too much time. I
Speaker 4: think they would have.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's play it out this way, all right, Let's
Speaker 3: say the Cowboys scored a touchdown and did what the
Speaker 3: Bengals did. Yeah, and you're giving Joe Burrow the football
Speaker 3: back with one oh one left. How do you feel
Speaker 3: about the chances at that point?
Speaker 2: I feel good.
Speaker 4: The d line was coming man, the pressure pressure was
Speaker 4: really doing a good job.
Speaker 5: And the pressure was.
Speaker 2: So good they ended up with a hold and the
Speaker 2: offensive line it's okay.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I wouldn't give them too much credit. I
Speaker 4: think the Cowboy was the pressure was going to be there.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean they had holes on there.
Speaker 5: They were back to back holes. They were second and
Speaker 5: seven at the forty nine and the tight end got
Speaker 5: called no, the wide receiver got called for holding. Then
Speaker 5: it was second and seventeen and the tackle tackled Parsons
Speaker 5: from behind.
Speaker 3: It was the surprising thing I thought was that the
Speaker 3: Cowboys weren't having more success early in the game right
Speaker 3: getting to Burrow. They wore them down over time, but
Speaker 3: especially when you're starting Cody Ford at left tackle and
Speaker 3: a Marius Mems the rookie at right tackle out of
Speaker 3: Georgia who I think made six starts in college at Georgia,
Speaker 3: the first round pick, but it's very green. And then
Speaker 3: Cordell Vohlsen their guard left guard. He had been benched
Speaker 3: the week before, so they were missing Orlando Brown, their
Speaker 3: regular left tackle, and Cody Ford, who is more of
Speaker 3: a guard than he has a tackle, was playing left.
Speaker 4: And that's why issues on their offensive. This goes back
Speaker 4: to last year.
Speaker 3: They've always had going back to when Burrow came into
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many times I wrote down
Speaker 5: two tight ends they were. They were not exposing those guys.
Speaker 5: They were double team and triple team in Micah, but.
Speaker 3: Chasing t Higgins to throw.
Speaker 5: They needed somebody else at defensive end. And Golston had
Speaker 5: a nice game really no pressures.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Same thing out of kneeling Uh. And I was trying
Speaker 5: to look up Lawson. He's zeroed out. He had nothing.
Speaker 5: You see how many snaps he had.
Speaker 3: He had twenty five snaps in the game. All right,
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Speaker 3: All Right, you guys have not mentioned this player, and
Speaker 3: he needs to be mentioned. Ric O'dowdell hayes just one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one yards rushing on eighteen carries. In
Speaker 3: his last run came with six thirty one to play
Speaker 3: in the game, a run of fourteen yards that gave
Speaker 3: the Cowboys a first out the thirty four yard line.
Speaker 3: But then, of course, as we all know the rules
Speaker 3: in the NFL, at the six minute mark of the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, they cannot run the football anymore. You have
Speaker 3: to throw it on every doubt. So so three straight
Speaker 3: incompletions of the Bengals got the ball back.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to find his run.
Speaker 3: Which run, the Donal run, the doubtle the Okay, they've
Speaker 3: at the twenty yard line. There was after a punt
Speaker 3: into the end zone with six thirty one left in
Speaker 3: the game, first intend at the twenty and Rico goes
Speaker 3: for fourteen yards. It's first intent at the thirty four
Speaker 3: with six minutes left incomplete. That was the bad throw
Speaker 3: to Ferguson and then incomplete incomplete high.
Speaker 5: For Brandon Cooks and then blitz and he tried to
Speaker 5: roll away from it, got pressured by Hendrix because Chuma
Speaker 5: whiffed on him and they had to blot and then
Speaker 5: they had to punt.
Speaker 3: So what do you think about the run game when
Speaker 3: you think about Rico. Here's the other thing is I said,
Speaker 3: come again, Well, here's the problem. He just needed one
Speaker 3: more carry. The Cowboys are three and oh this season.
Speaker 3: If he has that, and he had eighteen carries for
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty one yards, you give him one
Speaker 3: more carry and the Cowboys win that game because they
Speaker 3: if you give him nineteen carries, they.
Speaker 5: Win, which is weird. Credit to him with all those
Speaker 5: backups on the offensive line, and they rushed for a
Speaker 5: season high one hundred and fifty six yards and twenty
Speaker 5: five carries back to back one hundred yard games by
Speaker 5: running Cowboys running back since twenty twenty two, Pollard, They
Speaker 5: about did it.
Speaker 4: A lot of I was gonna say a lot of
Speaker 4: good things happened in that game. Lamb was able to
Speaker 4: finally get some room and able to break a couple
Speaker 4: of time.
Speaker 5: He aggravated his shoulder early. Oh yeah, and he played through.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 5: Give him credit for not surprised at all, because he
Speaker 5: ended what nine catches for ninety.
Speaker 2: Three yards, I was like eighty eight or something.
Speaker 5: Six catches for ninety three yards and a touchdown, So
Speaker 5: you know he was motivated not playing against Chase but
Speaker 5: playing match matches, just like, okay, you got him, we
Speaker 5: got him. Yeah, you guys got me now and he
Speaker 5: did his deal.
Speaker 4: So here we are good running game, decent passing game,
Speaker 4: a defense that's playing solid.
Speaker 5: Had held him to twenty points for a minute and fifty.
Speaker 4: Against one of the best offenses in the league right now,
Speaker 4: he held him to twenty.
Speaker 2: Points until until.
Speaker 5: And this was a game they needed to win in
Speaker 5: the big picture because at five and eight, I mean,
Speaker 5: you needed to go four and one to get to
Speaker 5: nine and eight.
Speaker 2: Now you need to go for So what did you.
Speaker 4: Think when you heard the ball hit his hand on
Speaker 4: the plot?
Speaker 2: What did you think, Leon I didn't.
Speaker 5: Or or mcuamu. Right at that moment, there was another block.
Speaker 5: Remember mcwamu tried to recover it or whatever, and he
Speaker 5: flubbed it. But I thought of Leon, I did, but
Speaker 5: this was different. Leon had no idea what he was doing, right,
Speaker 5: a backup special teams guy in there because of an injury.
Speaker 3: Well one thing one is that he's only had and
Speaker 3: of course he was just activated from injured reserve for
Speaker 3: this game. Uh, a back injury that he's had. That
Speaker 3: was why he went on IR.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's right.
Speaker 3: But you look at his special team snaps this season.
Speaker 3: He only had nine special teams snaps before this game.
Speaker 3: He had eighteen in this game. Right, So he's not
Speaker 3: a regular special teams guy this year. Now, I'm sure
Speaker 3: earlier in his career he has been, right, right, I
Speaker 3: just think it was And the explanation that McCarthy said.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I like what the Cowboys special
Speaker 3: teams guys leading by the captain C. J. Goodwin protecting
Speaker 3: or War from having to talk to the media after
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no reason he needs to sit in
Speaker 3: front of his locker and talk.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Remember remember on the Leon one where that was one
Speaker 3: of the big things after the game. After Leon and
Speaker 3: you remember Leon, his personality such a nice, quiet guy,
Speaker 3: and that was one of one of the biggest things
Speaker 3: that Jimmy wanted to make sure that Leon was protected
Speaker 3: from having to talk about it after the game.
Speaker 2: Leon. I could remember.
Speaker 3: When he eventually had to talk about it two different things.
Speaker 5: I think it was the ninety It was the ninety
Speaker 5: three season and Pam Oliver was there before the game
Speaker 5: during the week and she he agreed to do a
Speaker 5: one on one with her out at the ranch.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: She was this just before the Super Bowl, so we
Speaker 3: were talking the.
Speaker 5: Super Bowl regular seasons, right, oh okay, And she and
Speaker 5: he agreed to do an interview, and you know she
Speaker 5: wasn't going to grill them, right. So they're in one
Speaker 5: of the coaches offices there outside the locker room, and
Speaker 5: about five minutes later, he comes out and he's got
Speaker 5: one of those great T shirts on, and you know
Speaker 5: when you sweat on those, it really shows up. He's
Speaker 5: soaking wet, and he came out to change shirts, right,
Speaker 5: and I go, Pam, what did you do to him?
Speaker 5: And she's like, don't say anything.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So then that year they were going to force him
Speaker 5: to talk at the Super Bowl during the Tuesday Media
Speaker 5: Day and he was standing off to the side and.
Speaker 3: It was the same thing.
Speaker 11: He started.
Speaker 5: Their sweat just dripping off.
Speaker 3: And he hadn't talk, and it's mandatory that all players
Speaker 3: have to talk. I was in the scrum amongst you,
Speaker 3: I say, hundreds or dozens of media around him, and
Speaker 3: they were sitting him in the stands there in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: and you know, and he's got three towels, I mean,
Speaker 3: just sweating, and I mean it was just awful. He
Speaker 3: felt so bad for him.
Speaker 4: But you know, y'all can ask them questions, Yeah, this.
Speaker 3: Was so and this so that happened on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 3: This is the end of January. It's been two months later,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's oh, so, you know sweet.
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, this is awful, but I want
Speaker 4: to see how long we can come with this.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. That's the media guy. Make
Speaker 2: you guys worth the crab man. Come on.
Speaker 3: But as you know, Leon's such a sweet human being
Speaker 3: and to have him having to go through that, now
Speaker 3: it's become his story and so and since now you
Speaker 3: talking to him about it and he can talk.
Speaker 2: About it, how was the first time we talked about it.
Speaker 2: Oh it was.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember what he said. I just remember
Speaker 3: the towels of the sweat well.
Speaker 5: And by the way, it wasn't it wasn't just that.
Speaker 5: Remember the first Super the first super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So yeah, so the first Super Bowl. This is on
Speaker 3: the heels of the fifty two to seventeen Super Bowl
Speaker 3: where he picks up a fumble in his running for
Speaker 3: a touchdown and Don Beebe knocks the ball out to
Speaker 3: go And so Leon is known for these bloopers.
Speaker 5: When he got the he got the job, I want
Speaker 5: to say it was a coaching job, maybe part time
Speaker 5: or whatever. At I think it was U N l
Speaker 5: V and I and I heard that, and I think
Speaker 5: he hadn't left here yet, and I was going, Leon,
Speaker 5: if you're going to coach, you got to talk like
Speaker 5: you got to talk to people, right. And then he
Speaker 5: came back and he was like a different person when
Speaker 5: he got here. I was surprised. How you he developed?
Speaker 5: I mean we're talking small town kid, you know. And
Speaker 5: where what was the school in.
Speaker 2: State? Yea cafe.
Speaker 5: All I know is I did bring up in my
Speaker 5: colle for today the ghost of Block kicks past. Ah
Speaker 5: Dang unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Well, tomorrow will be a new Day Shark week to
Speaker 3: get ready for Carolina.
Speaker 5: That almost knocked off the Eagles, by the way.
Speaker 3: M hm. And in fact they played about four four
Speaker 3: straight one score games.
Speaker 2: So and right, young is back playing well.
Speaker 5: Well, he's got some people around him.
Speaker 3: He's got Adam Theelen's back.
Speaker 5: But Feelings is best guy and the guy's your age.
Speaker 2: And he's doing well. Yeah, he's doing well.
Speaker 5: He got so tired after that one catch he had
Speaker 5: to come out. He was huffing.
Speaker 3: And they got and they've got Xavier Leaguette, who they
Speaker 3: beat the Eagles. If Leaguett doesn't trap the ball.
Speaker 4: Down on the goal line, he has had a couple
Speaker 4: of chances.
Speaker 5: Well, didn't they get rid of wide receivers?
Speaker 3: They did, but Deontay Johnson with the Ravens.
Speaker 5: And who decided he didn't want to he said, knucklehead.
Speaker 3: But all right, that does it for this edition.
Speaker 2: Of Morgan edition.
Speaker 3: This Sad and Mike McCarthy press conference is at three
Speaker 3: forty five, Okay, so forward to that. That'll be an
Speaker 3: update on tomorrow on overshown. All right, thanks for joining us,
Speaker 3: and we'll shout at you again. Tomorrow at noon, Go Cowboys.
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