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Speaker 1: friends at Key Private Bank. I'm Jason Gibbons alongside Andrew Gribble,

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Speaker 1: We are taping this late day Wednesday, Free Agency officially

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Speaker 1: upon us. Tampering is over GRIBs and the Browns with

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Speaker 1: two additions to their roster here going into and those

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Speaker 1: two additions safety John Johnson the third and to Carriss McKinley,

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Speaker 1: defensive end grips, your thoughts, your takeaways. I want the

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Speaker 1: Browns have done here so far well. I think the

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Speaker 1: John Johnson signing first off as the headline maker here,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that to me, I viewed it

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Speaker 1: We've talked about maybe looking at some of these guys

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Speaker 1: who's played great football. One of the ones that stands

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Speaker 1: didn't miss a single snap. I mean, and after what

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Speaker 1: important statistic. And arguably the guy should have been the

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Speaker 1: And you haven't heard one bad thing about this guy,

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Speaker 1: where he has a high upside player. I consider this

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Speaker 1: a low risk, high high reward type of signing. Played

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Speaker 1: some great football the first couple of years with the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: unhappiness led to his release, and UH kind of bounced

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