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Speaker 3: What up?

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Speaker 4: Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be

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Speaker 4: and however you may make it this part of your day.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 4: and for the next couple of hours, I want to

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Speaker 4: talk sports with you.

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 4: So to those of you are like, hey, Gottleib, what

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Speaker 4: are you doing now? I'm a college basketball Oh that's right,

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Speaker 4: college basketball.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what's that like? That's what everybody asks. That

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Speaker 4: everybody asks. And I'll share with you a lot if

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Speaker 4: you'd like. And it's this is it's a fascinating, fascinating

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say experiment, but just time of

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Speaker 4: change in all business. Right, I'll give you an example. Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball,

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Speaker 4: is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second.

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Speaker 4: I think football. I think NFL football is going to change.

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Speaker 4: I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning, just

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Speaker 4: like arch Manning, just like Peyton Manning, just like Uh,

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Speaker 4: why am I forgetting Peyton Manning? What was the two

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Speaker 4: time Super Bowl champion? Why am I the other Manning?

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Speaker 4: Eli Manning? Sorry, okay, gonna stay four years. Not because

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Speaker 4: of nil, but because they believe, much like most people,

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Speaker 4: that the more reps you have, the more ready you are.

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Speaker 4: The more ready you are, the more confidence you have,

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Speaker 4: the more confidence you have, the better you play initially.

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Speaker 4: The better you play initially, the easier it is for

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Speaker 4: you to maintain. You get like a year and a

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Speaker 4: if you can't do it, it's a top pick. Then

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Speaker 4: you bounce around chasing checks. You're doing the like the

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Speaker 4: Jets quarterback right. I mean this is his third team

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Speaker 4: Why is that? Because he basically got a year and

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Speaker 4: a half. Bearston think he's good enough. They moved on

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Speaker 4: Same thing, Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. So I think that

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Speaker 4: with NIL or rev share or the money that he's making.

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Speaker 4: Kid was making money as comes from money. Money isn't

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Speaker 4: the driving force. But I do think that the NFL

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Speaker 4: now because everybody is older, and they're older because they

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Speaker 4: good thing. There are bad things about NIL, Okay, there

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Speaker 4: It is a benefit. Now, let's not act like that

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Speaker 4: stay in school longer. Nobody said that it's an ancillary benefit.

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Speaker 4: It's an unintended consequence, but it is something that happens.

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Speaker 4: So there's a smaller pool of prospects for the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 4: It's better. And we have the greatest SoundBite ever, the

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Speaker 4: So there's a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,

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Speaker 4: how how do you build a college football college basketball

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Speaker 4: to listen to something that Thomas Hammick said at a

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Speaker 6: I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,

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Speaker 6: Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,

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Speaker 4: So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is

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Speaker 4: my coaching staff. Remember Thomas Hammock. You may sit there

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Speaker 3: your two or three probably best players on the team

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Speaker 3: and there's quite a bit of a dip in production

431
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: and uh you feel that that's not easily replaceable or

432
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: accounted for. So I think that certainly has something to

433
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: do with it that makes it easier, you know, when

434
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: you're when you're deciding whether to pitch around show or not,

435
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: if Mookie's not doing if he's not doing mooky things,

436
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: then it makes it easier on your decision making on

437
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: who you're gonna let beat you. So I would say, look,

438
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: they're still extremely talented, and they're they're going to be

439
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and they're very very.

440
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 5: Dangerous as we saw last year.

441
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: If you get in the playoffs, and even if you

442
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: don't have a rotation, that's that's dominating. Uh, you start

443
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: to put together a bullpen and pieces and guys that

444
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: even if they don't you know, even if guys can't

445
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: recover to fully six seven innings, Uh, you start to

446
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: be able to piece games together with arms that are.

447
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 5: Getting healthy late in the season.

448
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: So I think they're just as big a threat to

449
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: win the World Series as they were at the beginning

450
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: of the season. Now, they're not going to win one

451
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty games. Maybe we thought with the roster

452
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: they constructed, but it's very difficult over one hundred and

453
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: sixty two game season for everything to go as planned

454
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: and sort of the formula that you put on paper

455
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: is going to work out. It's just such a long

456
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: season and there's so many factors that play into that.

457
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: But when it comes down to a playoff month, I

458
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: think they're just as good a position as they were ever.

459
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's not a playoff month, but it's a

460
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: really interesting week and a half right where Padres at home,

461
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: then you get the Rockies, which again would feel like

462
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: kind of a mental break, and we know the Rockies

463
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: are in massive rebuild mode, and then they got Padres

464
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: on the road. How do you think this plays out?

465
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's great theater. I mean,

466
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: I love watching these two teams play each other in general.

467
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: I think right now as they start to jockey for

468
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 3: position on who wins the West, and you start to

469
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: look at the by scenario and look any think it

470
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: happened in baseball, so you you definitely want to try

471
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: to win the division and get that that series.

472
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: You know that you don't want to play in that

473
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: first series.

474
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: And I think the Padres more than any other team

475
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: maybe at the deadline, with adding a couple of those relievers,

476
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: put themselves in a spot to to really, you know,

477
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: as you like we talked about, you know, in the

478
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: Dodgers last year dominating the postseason with their bullpen. When

479
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: I watched the Padres bullpen, it's incredible the arms they

480
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: roll out of there. So even if their starter gives

481
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: them four, four or five innings, they're rolling out all

482
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: star caliber pitchers from inning five through nine, pitching in

483
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: the high nineties. So they're their bullpen as I watch,

484
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: and then you know, I think getting Ramon Lariano and

485
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: and Ryan O'Hearn from the Orioles, so obviously I follow

486
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: very close to Jackson linked in their lineup uh, Loreano's

487
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: having an amazing season. I think maybe a little bit

488
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: under the radar, but he's a very dangerous hitter. He's

489
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: hitting home runs and and he's been really good since

490
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: traded over, So I think he linked in their lineup.

491
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: The Padres are a very dangerous team. I think they're

492
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: equally If I had to, you know, handicapped the National

493
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: League right now, I would put them probably side by

494
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: side as far as my opinion about who could win

495
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: the National League and potentially win the World Series. So

496
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: these next you know, seven or eight games, whatever it

497
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: is that they play each other is.

498
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: Is going to be amazing.

499
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: And I think everybody he's an emotions start to go up,

500
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: and they don't really like each other, and there's been

501
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: guys throwing at each other and so this is as

502
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: a baseball fan, I think these are two series is

503
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: that I'll be definitely locked into.

504
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: Okay, well, you didn't mention the best team in Major

505
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: League Baseball, which is the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know

506
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: that you know Murphy Pat Murphy really really well. He's

507
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: the manager. He will used to be the head coach

508
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: at Arizona State. And did you did you stay in

509
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: his guest house in training camp.

510
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, in two thousand and nine was with the A's

511
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: and we stayed Josh, my brother was at Arizona State

512
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: as the assistant to Murph, and we actually, yeah, we

513
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: spent the spring training in his guest house in Phoenix. So,

514
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: I know, look, I left them out and on an accident.

515
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they're playing amazing, so I'll let you ask

516
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: the question. But yeah, I know Murph.

517
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: Really well, Okay, so how are they doing this?

518
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's one of those

519
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: things in sports where when you have a group of

520
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: guys that believe in each other, they like each other,

521
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: they kind of got that mojo going where they think

522
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: they're gonna win. We had a lot of that in

523
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: O seven with the Rockies when we won twenty one

524
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: out of twenty two to.

525
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: End the season.

526
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: And on paper, you know, we had a really good offense.

527
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: But you know, I think if you looked at the

528
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: names of the guys that were pitching, you'd be surprised.

529
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: And going back and looking at it of the kind

530
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: of you know, just the pitchers that we had nothing

531
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: to take anything away from them. They were pitching amazing,

532
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 3: but it's kind of one of those things where you

533
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: start to have that belief in each other and you

534
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: just you have the confidence that you're going to find

535
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: a way to win and it may not look the

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: same every night, and you're not going to lean on

537
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: the same guys every night.

538
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

539
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: They've had a lot of young players that have taken

540
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: steps forward and and are getting big hits and and

541
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: uh and seemingly the crowd in Milwaukee has become a

542
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: home field advantage, which it always has been, you know,

543
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: when they've been good, it's always been a really good

544
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: place or maybe difficult place i'd say as an opposition

545
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: to to.

546
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: Go in there and win.

547
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: So I just think they have a lot of intangibles

548
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: going that sometimes you know, maybe pundits don't want to

549
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: give the getting credit to because it's not quantifiable and

550
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: you can't calculate it. Uh, but they seem to have

551
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: a lot of like like each other or two of them,

552
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: and and a lot of uh, you know, a lot

553
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: of the stuff as as athletes and that play in

554
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: air in clubhouses and and have been on teams that

555
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: that's hard to recreate or hard to create and hard

556
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: to to maybe I'll talk you know, closely about how

557
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: it happened, but they seem to have found that sort

558
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: of magic.

559
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I ask me, really interesting week. Next week, I'm

560
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: actually going to the first of the day night doubleheader

561
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: on Monday. They have five against the Cubs on the road.

562
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: You mentioned they have that whatever that what's the French stage,

563
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: Jenny say quad. I don't know what. The momentum, the culture,

564
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: the camaraderie, they got this thing working, but it does

565
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: sound like feel like because they don't have the veterans,

566
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: they don't have the names that you think are going

567
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: to absolutely produce in the postseason, there's still a all right,

568
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: let's see what it looks like when things get really tight.

569
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: How important is next week to find out what they

570
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: really got moving into the postseason?

571
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably even more important

572
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: for the Cubs. Obviously, they're they're trying to figure out,

573
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, if this thing gets.

574
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: Away from them, you know, the Brewer or are.

575
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: A couple of wins against the Cubs, you know, to

576
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: start that that little run away from really creating a

577
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: gap that seems you know almost uh, you can't can't

578
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: quite get there. So I think the pressure is on

579
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: the Cubs. I mean, I think that the Brewers got

580
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: it going. I mean, look, if the Cubs come out

581
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: and punch them in the mouth three times, we'll find

582
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: out how how real this this uh this magic is

583
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: and and you know it'll test you know what that

584
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of that momentum they've been riding and

585
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: the feel good they've had.

586
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 5: If the Cubs come.

587
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: Out and punch them in the mouth three times, and

588
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: that that lead closes to two or three or four games,

589
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they'll feel, you know,

590
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of tightness and then all of a sudden,

591
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: you know, it might change the whole, you know, the

592
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: whole scene between these two teams. But I think you know,

593
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: currently standing that the Brewers go in they're very confident

594
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: with with where they're at, how they're playing, and will

595
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: look to make a statement, you know, and maybe even

596
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: pull away from the Cubs and and and feel like

597
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: they're they're their their pad and that in the in

598
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: the central is is is very comfortable. So, like you said,

599
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: another great you know kind of run of games that

600
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: will be fun to watch. I like when these teams

601
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: are so close in proximity, you know, the Cubs and

602
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: Brewers have always been a good rivalry just because of

603
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: how close together they are. And then you've got the

604
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: Padres and Dodgers. I think this is really you know,

605
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: good good TV watching baseball and and uh, I'm excited

606
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: to watch these uh these rivalries.

607
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's what your that's what your cripple butt's

608
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: gonna be doing, is sitting there watching because you can't

609
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: you can't be uh, you can't be moving moving around. Uh.

610
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: Last thing, this is a hard one for me. This

611
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: is a hard one for me. So tonight I host

612
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: uh the pump Family Cancer Research dinner. Okay, So yesterday

613
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: I'm at the hotel and I I'm hanging out with

614
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: Sammy Sosa and tonight they're honoring Barry Bonds and it's

615
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: like amazing, right, but you know, like I have this,

616
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: I mean like and I don't know your feelings towards it. Right,

617
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: you never took anything illegal, E listit nothing correct?

618
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 5: Correct?

619
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: Okay, So I feel like your numbers, your career and

620
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: we're friends would be looked at a completely different light

621
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: had their numbers not taking place. But I ran into

622
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: Sammy and I was like, I'm hanging out with Sammy Sosa.

623
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 4: It was like all of a sudden, the starting I

624
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: became fanboy, you know, nineteen ninety nine all over again.

625
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: How do I handle that tonight?

626
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean I think that when

627
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: you look at the era in which they played, and

628
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, I think we can all say that there

629
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: was definite steroid use and the game was it was

630
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: used widely, and there was a lot of guys, pitchers

631
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: and hitters using it, and so look, I mean I

632
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: think that it is what it is as far as

633
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: cheating goes, and certainly tainted numbers and rec but I

634
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 3: think you know, when you start to acknowledge the best

635
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: players in the era, I think we can all do that,

636
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: just like we can in the dead ball era or

637
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: going back or even now, as the averages come down,

638
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: as the pitching goes up, and so you're always acknowledging

639
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: the best players in certain eras. And so I think

640
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: that's one thing with baseball is is everybody holds very

641
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: tightly to the record books and the numbers and the stats,

642
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: and and I'm.

643
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 5: Good with that.

644
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: But I think that even when you start talking about

645
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, I mean there's guys in the

646
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame that use steroids.

647
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just there is.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that acknowledging some of these guys

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Speaker 3: that you know, use steroids and and having a place

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Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame, that that that has their

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Speaker 3: own sort of era. And I think we can all

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Speaker 3: recognize that this was the steroid era. But these are

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Speaker 3: the best players inside the steroid era. And so I'm

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Speaker 3: I've probably softened my stance on that just a little

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Speaker 3: bit because I think we should recognize. Actually is I

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Speaker 3: think some guys have gotten in that you know that

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Speaker 3: there's definitely a question Mark's about. But yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I think you can appreciate their greatness and with also,

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Speaker 3: you know, not not accepting or not approving.

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Speaker 5: Of what they did.

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Speaker 4: Fair enough. That's Matt Holiday, seven time All Star and

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Speaker 4: actually now he's Jackson and Ethan's dad, right, that's that's

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Speaker 4: actually which yeah, really all right, well, stay where you are,

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Speaker 4: ring that bell, make sure your your family, make sure

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Speaker 4: Grayson waits on your hand and foot. With those cookies,

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Speaker 4: you probably add about ten fifteen pounds.

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Speaker 5: And I'm starving myself with sugar.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to find stuff to challenge yourself.

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Speaker 5: With on situations like this.

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Speaker 4: Tell everybody said, I I'll talk to you soon. Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: Matt Holiday joining us seven time All Star, four time

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Speaker 4: so for Star coming up next, and we'll get a

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Speaker 4: little Herd Line news with Greg Tooey. Justin Herbert made

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Speaker 4: a surprising decision this week. What was it final? Next

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Speaker 4: and the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neonon Easter not a Empacific, Doug, all you.

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Speaker 4: has been fined and hit with some additional punishments from

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Speaker 4: the Connor Stallion's issues of a couple years ago. We'll

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Speaker 4: get to that at the top of the hour. Before that,

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Speaker 4: let's get to Greg Twey with the news.

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 4: Hey Douger, Hello, Greg Twoy.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we touched on this last hour.

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Speaker 8: Matthew Stafford, who's not practicing all during training camp because

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Speaker 8: of an aggravated disc in his back. He will work

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Speaker 8: out Saturday, which is potentially good news for the Rams.

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Speaker 8: But here was Sean McVay after their joint practice versus

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Speaker 8: the Saints yesterday.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna work out on Saturday.

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Speaker 9: Hopefully it responds a little bit better and then I'll

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Speaker 9: have more information for you guys. Then it's uh, you know,

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Speaker 9: they were trying to get our hands around this as well,

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Speaker 9: so I would give I don't. I don't really have

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Speaker 9: much more information other than you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 9: we're we're trying some different things that are hopefully going

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Speaker 9: to be in alignment with getting him back out on

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Speaker 9: the field.

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Speaker 8: McVey also said they haven't discussed whether surgery could be

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Speaker 8: an option yet. Last hour, TJ. Housman, Whoschman Zada told

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Speaker 8: us he's worried. On a scale of one to ten,

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Speaker 8: ted being the worst what's your worry level for Stafford

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Speaker 8: this year eight? That's that's pretty uh yeah, because you.

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Speaker 4: Remember two years ago the back was an issue and

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Speaker 4: at the at the end of the season, there was

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Speaker 4: talking retirement, right remember that, Yeah, I do. And then

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Speaker 4: they were like, well maybe we'll trade him. I don't

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Speaker 4: know what we'll do, and they're like, ah, and he's fine,

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Speaker 4: but there was clearly a thought of retirement and it

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Speaker 4: I'll quite obviously has not gotten better. And once you

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Speaker 4: get like, there's just here's the other part to having

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Speaker 4: a bad back that people have not yet mentioned. If

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Speaker 4: he plays, when he plays, he's going to get rid

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Speaker 4: of that ball way quicker than he gets It's one

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Speaker 4: of the things that a lot of these aging quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: go through is at the end, at the end of

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Speaker 4: their career, they do not want to get hit. They

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Speaker 4: do not so they get rid of that sucker really

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Speaker 4: really quickly, Like wait, why do he dirt that ball?

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Speaker 4: Because you don't like, if you watch Aaron Rodgers over

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Speaker 4: especially the last couple years with the Jets, like he's

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Speaker 4: getting rid of the ball way quicker than he used to.

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Speaker 4: So it's not just about can you get him on

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Speaker 4: the field of play, or how good he can play

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Speaker 4: or how often he can play. Right, if you play

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Speaker 4: a Sunday, I don't know if they haven't looked their

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Speaker 4: schedule turned Sunday Thursday, turnaround games, whatever. But when you

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Speaker 4: do play, it's it's impossible for you not to try

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Speaker 4: and protect yourself that way, and that changes all of

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Speaker 4: how you play, how you compete in football. Right, if

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Speaker 4: you're dirting ball, you shouldn't dirt. So when they play

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Speaker 4: the Colts and then the Niners play the Colts on

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Speaker 4: a Sunday at home, play the Niners on a Thursday

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Speaker 4: at home, huge game with the Niners. First question is

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Speaker 4: can you play that close together and your back not

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Speaker 4: lock up on you? And if you can't, like, all right,

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Speaker 4: now we got an issue. Now, Garoppolo, it's got to

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Speaker 4: play against Niners. And then if you do play, will

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Speaker 4: you play to the fullest your capability or will be

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Speaker 4: getting the rid of the ball quickly because you're afraid

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Speaker 4: of getting that back hitting.

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Speaker 8: Hurt yep, And just the thought of holding up over

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Speaker 8: seventeen game schedule is scary as well. We'll wrap it

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Speaker 8: up with this justin Herbert so so Ben Johnson earlier

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Speaker 8: this week announced that Caleb Williams will be playing this

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Speaker 8: Sunday versus the Bills in their preseason game. And now

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Speaker 8: we know that another star quarterback will be playing as well.

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Speaker 8: It's just Charger's quarterback, Justin Herbert will start for the

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Speaker 8: versus the Rams and play in the preseason for the

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Speaker 8: first time in his career. And get this, Doug, this

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Speaker 8: was his idea. Here was Herbert this week.

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Speaker 10: And saying, hey, is okay. You know I went in

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Speaker 10: and played because I think in years past the plane was,

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Speaker 10: you know, to rest and see those refs. But I

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Speaker 10: wanted to go out there and seal a pass rush

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Speaker 10: because you know in practice as a quarterback you don't

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Speaker 10: always get the true feeling of the pass rush. So

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Speaker 10: I thought to see helpful to go out there. And

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Speaker 10: he was understanding and kind of worked together and talking

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Speaker 10: the plane.

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Speaker 8: So he went to Jim Harbaugh and said, coach, I

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Speaker 8: want to play in the preseason.

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Speaker 4: Sure. Now, if you're a Charger fan, do you want

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Speaker 4: Herbert playing at all in the pre season? I don't,

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Speaker 4: but you are your own best doctor. And there he

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Speaker 4: lost for Shawn Slater. So you got to feel like

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Speaker 4: the pass rush is going to be hotter. And remember

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Speaker 4: they open up the season Chiefs at home, Raiders in

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Speaker 4: the road, Broncos at home. So you open up with

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Speaker 4: three divisional games to start the year. He wants to

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Speaker 4: be sharp, he wants to be ready. And this is

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Speaker 4: kind of a trend in the NFL. McVay brought in

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Speaker 4: the trend of not playing starters at all at all,

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Speaker 4: and then this year, if you've looked, more starters are playing.

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Speaker 2: And that's great to me. With the news, well that's

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Speaker 2: the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: We got a great third hour of the show for you,

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Speaker 4: a very Wisconsin, very sports, very Brewer, and we're going

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Speaker 4: to get you ready for college football. With the latest

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Speaker 4: news as Michigan has been punished now thoroughly and completely

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Speaker 4: and finally by the NCAA for their sign stealing scandal

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Speaker 4: back a couple of years ago. How does it affect

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Speaker 4: Michigan football and the rest of their university? Find out

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Speaker 4: next time, Doug Gottlieb, this is the hurt