Speaker 1: Any swags, trips it high, deep, understand deep to center field,
Speaker 1: and it's gone, Wow.
Speaker 2: His first big league swing is gonna be a grand slam,
Speaker 2: a home line swing. Good time, Tim to the soup.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Call Up, your go to podcast,
Speaker 3: and the future starts in Major League Baseball. You got
Speaker 3: arm Laden Elijah Evans, and we've got another batch of
Speaker 3: trades to break down from the deadline prospect returns from
Speaker 3: the blockbuster Adlie Rutchman return heading over of course, Adlie
Speaker 3: to the Red Sox. You got plenty of prospects heading
Speaker 3: over to the Orioles. We're gonna do some sneaky returns
Speaker 3: like Ramon Marquez going to the Giants, Cash Mayfield going
Speaker 3: to the Tigers, and on and on, an on. We
Speaker 3: got a handful here that I'm excited to break down.
Speaker 3: Arm laiton Elijah Evans, second of a three parter. We'll
Speaker 3: have Jack on the third part later this week. But Elijah,
Speaker 3: we've got another really fun batch of deals, some lower
Speaker 3: level prospects, some upper level prospects, everything in between to
Speaker 3: break down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the craziest part about this is Part two in
Speaker 4: three are all from literally the day of the deadline
Speaker 4: on Monday, August third. It's pretty nuts even just this
Speaker 4: group of trades that we're all on literally the day
Speaker 4: of the deadline. It's pretty insane. We've got some Top
Speaker 4: one hundred guys on this, We've got some up and
Speaker 4: rock coming, you know, tuned to b Top one hundred guys, right, Like,
Speaker 4: this is a really really fun batch of some names
Speaker 4: to talk about, and we have to start it off
Speaker 4: with Dadley Rushman deal. As you kind of hit on
Speaker 4: there from the top, like this was a surprising deal.
Speaker 4: I think that the possibility of Adley being traded started
Speaker 4: to feel more real over the past couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: the way the Orioles are trending, how many teams wanted
Speaker 4: to catch her. But not only does it feel like,
Speaker 4: you know that the Red Sex had to pay a
Speaker 4: little bit of a division premium, but it also just
Speaker 4: seems like the market for catchers led to a scenario
Speaker 4: where Rushman was this this premium asset that ends up
Speaker 4: being really the second biggest, you know, package that gets
Speaker 4: moved aside from the Trek School trade, which we talked
Speaker 4: about last time. So this deal was a trio of
Speaker 4: prospects in addition to current catcher Carlos Narvaez, but it's
Speaker 4: Anthony Iinsen, right handed pitcher Kysen Witherspoon, another right handed pitcher,
Speaker 4: and an outfielder envia Zocar. Really inciting trio. Two recent
Speaker 4: top draft picks and an international guy coming over from
Speaker 4: Boston to Baltimore in this train for Adley Rushman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's a really fun package here
Speaker 3: to be able to bring in. I think if you're
Speaker 3: an Oreos fan, it's it's frustrating because you don't want
Speaker 3: to hear like like Adlie Ruchman represents. Also what was
Speaker 3: frustrating and what was the disappointment of like the prospect
Speaker 3: era right like this was the mega farm system that
Speaker 3: they had headlined by Adlie Ruschman, and it hasn't really
Speaker 3: turned into anything, you know, in terms of playoff wins
Speaker 3: there that said, this is a full tear down. You
Speaker 3: move the catcher in Adalie, you still have Samuel Ostio
Speaker 3: and the hall that you get for a year and
Speaker 3: a half of Adlie is extremely exciting, and you get
Speaker 3: a guy that's a high floor arm in Anthony Iinson
Speaker 3: to headline it where you know, I think Ironson I
Speaker 3: think we skew.
Speaker 2: Slightly lower than the.
Speaker 3: Consensus, but like he's still comfortably the top one hundred
Speaker 3: guy for us. I think there's there's some gap in
Speaker 3: the fastball grades for him, and we've seen like in
Speaker 3: shorter spurts, and early in the year he was Ironsen
Speaker 3: was up to the upper nineties, but as we've seen
Speaker 3: him more stretched out and then the longer starts. This
Speaker 3: year he's more ninety three, ninety two to ninety four,
Speaker 3: you know, a whole grab a five.
Speaker 2: But it's a cut ride fastball.
Speaker 3: That you know, I think it just avoids barrels and
Speaker 3: has some late action to it that picks up a
Speaker 3: lot of weak contact pop ups, whatever it may be,
Speaker 3: and it's allowed it to be really effective this year.
Speaker 3: And then working off of that is a guy that
Speaker 3: just clearly is as a supernat by nature, he cuts
Speaker 3: everything and it works well. So the cut ride fastball
Speaker 3: sets the tone, and then from that same slot you've
Speaker 3: got a cutter, and then you've got a gyro slider,
Speaker 3: and then you've got this downer curveball, and the tunneling
Speaker 3: effect off of all of those pitches is very real,
Speaker 3: and as a result, the slider is decimated hitters.
Speaker 2: That's clearly been a plus pitch.
Speaker 3: The curveball, if he can land it more consistently, looks
Speaker 3: like a well above average pitch, and the cutter has
Speaker 3: been a well above average pitch. So he's so high floor.
Speaker 3: I think you feel really good about Iinson landing. Is
Speaker 3: you know, at least a four starter, and he's a
Speaker 3: great chance to land in the middle of a rotation.
Speaker 3: I think some you know have pushed him a little
Speaker 3: bit higher. I think that's under the assumption that he's
Speaker 3: throwing ninety five ninety six. He's not really doing that.
Speaker 3: It's still a really good pitch mix and a high floor,
Speaker 3: high probability starter.
Speaker 4: Would you have him, and you look at Iinsen in
Speaker 4: this Oriel system, would you have him as their top
Speaker 4: prospect at this point? I know it's one we got
Speaker 4: to dive into. But like Joseph Zerbis had an incredible year.
Speaker 4: Obviously he will alloy like Irish those recent guys. Nate
Speaker 4: George is a fun young name, but it does seem
Speaker 4: like a lot of people are ready to say, like, oh,
Speaker 4: they did get their top prospect from this trade, and
Speaker 4: it's not top maybe at least top three.
Speaker 3: I would I would say so, yeah, because just of
Speaker 3: what he's doing already at double A and and you
Speaker 3: know there's there's still I think, you know, room for
Speaker 3: more improvement, like the splitter, like he's still finding but
Speaker 3: it's flashed, and like you have that deep bag of
Speaker 3: pitches and the success he's already having a double Like
Speaker 3: Jure was a guy that I could see people getting
Speaker 3: more and more excited about, and like he's already on
Speaker 3: our top one hundred list, and like it's gonna be
Speaker 3: fun to assess that, Like maybe Dure was a guy
Speaker 3: that ends up climbing a little bit more than we expect.
Speaker 3: And I think you could kind of compare these guys similarly.
Speaker 3: But I think just off the cuff here ionson's probably
Speaker 3: safely just to give the safe answer, like the top
Speaker 3: prospects here, and even if you acquired your one A
Speaker 3: or one B prospect, like that's a huge get when
Speaker 3: it's not just him for a year and a half
Speaker 3: of control here, right, And like I think the next
Speaker 3: player that you look at, of course, the natural progression
Speaker 3: would be to go talk about Kyson Wetherspoon, who was
Speaker 3: the first round pick of the same draft class. At
Speaker 3: Ironson was the third round pick in Isen's already lapped him.
Speaker 3: But I go to a Zocar and he is Okar's
Speaker 3: probably he's the highest ceiling player in this in this package.
Speaker 3: You know the fact that he's an outfielder with plus
Speaker 3: raw power already that at nineteen years old and in
Speaker 3: a young nineteen he'll be nineteen for the entirety of
Speaker 3: this season and into the start of next season, is
Speaker 3: already flashing egs velos. He's of one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 3: miles an hour. He's got up to high A already, and
Speaker 3: he's holding his own We'll see. The jury's still kind
Speaker 3: of out if he can stick in center, but he's
Speaker 3: got plenty of times to try to prove that he can.
Speaker 3: But when you pair that kind of power with the
Speaker 3: fact that he's actually producing and you have more challenging
Speaker 3: levels and assignments, and he's turning in his own contact
Speaker 3: rate to eighty two percent overall contact or to seven
Speaker 3: seventy percent with the challenges that he's been like that
Speaker 3: have been thrown his way.
Speaker 2: A Zocar, even if he moves to a corner with.
Speaker 3: The air poll ability, with the raw power that he
Speaker 3: has with good enough bats to ball without how aggressively
Speaker 3: he's been challenged, This guy could be an absolute monster.
Speaker 3: Obviously needs to clear a few more hurdles, but this
Speaker 3: is a fun player to be adding in a deal
Speaker 3: here where he's not even the headliner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fascinating. The craziest thing about the MLB draft
Speaker 4: is how we less than you know, a little over
Speaker 4: a year ago. Guys, some Witherspoon's a five million dollars
Speaker 4: first round signing and we're here talking about the guy
Speaker 4: drafted two rounds later than him and an international signing
Speaker 4: out of Venezuela as the first and second pieces with
Speaker 4: him being the tertiary sort of right like, which is
Speaker 4: pretty crazy to think about, like a zocar obviously like
Speaker 4: the least known name, but it does seem like someone
Speaker 4: that really could get some steam here, even some top
Speaker 4: one hundred type of buzz as time goes on. Witherspoon,
Speaker 4: where are you at with him in terms of like,
Speaker 4: hasn't been the best first pro season in High A.
Speaker 4: He's been you know, seventy five innings at a four
Speaker 4: to seventy RA so far, but clearly someone that still
Speaker 4: has the pedigree and intrigue where he was like it
Speaker 4: wasn't like he was throwing, like he was still a
Speaker 4: core part of this trio that goes over to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's a with a five
Speaker 3: million dollar investment. I think it's telling in one respect
Speaker 3: that the Red Sox are willing to move off of that.
Speaker 3: But in the other respect, I think it's also an
Speaker 3: exciting player to be able to to pick up chain
Speaker 3: of scenery and see what you can help kind of
Speaker 3: iron out with him. Now, the Red Sox, you know,
Speaker 3: when they draft their arms, their hands on, but they
Speaker 3: do a really good job and they help their guys maximize.
Speaker 3: And I think I don't think Witherspoon fit the kind
Speaker 3: of ideology and I would say just infrastructure that they
Speaker 3: have to be able to just get this guy where
Speaker 3: they wanted him to be. Right, it's a stabby arm action,
Speaker 3: short arm action that they kind of wanted to work
Speaker 3: with a little bit, and I think it really disrupted
Speaker 3: his ability to throw strikes. And like I've seen some
Speaker 3: pitches from Witherspoon this year where you know, like a
Speaker 3: change up that just it goes fifty feet or forty
Speaker 3: eight feet, and I just feel like.
Speaker 2: This guy's just gotten his head a little bit.
Speaker 3: Where you're a first round pick and you know kind
Speaker 3: of the first thing that's happening with you is, hey,
Speaker 3: we got to clean up this arm action, we got
Speaker 3: to change it, and it just didn't seem to work
Speaker 3: well for him. The command backed up, the stuff backed
Speaker 3: up a little bit. But this is still a really
Speaker 3: good athlete on the mound, not even twenty two years
Speaker 3: old yet sits in the mid nineties with his fastball,
Speaker 3: and the pitch shape are really intriguing, Like you've got
Speaker 3: the cutter, the change up looks like an effective pitches
Speaker 3: that's really come along, even with some of the frustration,
Speaker 3: Like yes, he spikes some, but the ones that he
Speaker 3: throws in the zone and it's not like it's been
Speaker 3: totally unusable to sixty percent strike rate. It's just there's
Speaker 3: these random catastrophic misses that you're just like, Okay, something's
Speaker 3: just not totally comfortable there for him.
Speaker 2: But that pitch looks like it's come along a lot.
Speaker 3: I think the cutter at eighty nine to ninety one
Speaker 3: is really fascinating. And then you've got the gyro slider
Speaker 3: and a downer curveball, and the big thing for him
Speaker 3: is just finding consistency with all of the pitches outside.
Speaker 3: The cutter has been the most natural throw for him.
Speaker 3: That's been the highest strike rate. Everything else has just
Speaker 3: not been there as consistently. Maybe the gyro slider as well,
Speaker 3: but that's the same throw essentially, So it's finding some
Speaker 3: consistency with his arm timing, his arm action.
Speaker 2: I think a change of scenery will help.
Speaker 3: And this is still a guy that if it all
Speaker 3: works out as middle rotation stuff, I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot that still needs to be sorted out there. But
Speaker 3: it's not like you're taking over after two fail seasons.
Speaker 3: It's you know, a half or two thirds of a
Speaker 3: really rough season for Witherspoon where he's still gone.
Speaker 2: Out there and had competitive starts.
Speaker 3: And I still think there's a lot more that the
Speaker 3: Oils are hoping to probably unlock and smooth out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that makes sense. It seems like a really
Speaker 4: strong haul. I mean, at the end of the day, Adlee,
Speaker 4: like he the timeline for this year is pretty ambiguous.
Speaker 4: It sounds like right, and then next year it's one
Speaker 4: more year of control. So if you're Boston like that,
Speaker 4: that you gotta be ready to compete right now, and
Speaker 4: they are, and they're clearly playing exceptional ball right now.
Speaker 4: They're kicking the crapit of the White Sox this week.
Speaker 4: But like they in general, like this is a move
Speaker 4: of like a team that's like, hey, the Al's open,
Speaker 4: Like let's go get it. Let's go get the AL
Speaker 4: this year and hopefully next year, right because this is
Speaker 4: a pretty bread you know, it's a pretty price to
Speaker 4: pay for a year and a half, probably less than
Speaker 4: a year and a half of Adley first place.
Speaker 3: In my mind, when was they better have at least
Speaker 3: a shot at extending him, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying it's a bad trade, Like I kind of I
Speaker 3: appreciate Brezo not feeling like he has to win an
Speaker 3: inter division trade here. I think that's I think that's
Speaker 3: a good approach and maybe a little bit different than
Speaker 3: what we've seen from him in the past. And like
Speaker 3: it's it's i think, in invigorating to this team. And
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about a guy like Adelie. I'm sure this
Speaker 3: is what really real Brezio in Adli working with this
Speaker 3: pitching staff and just having like there was like Narvaiez,
Speaker 3: like certain pitchers, I don't think wanted to work with it,
Speaker 3: like just having everyone's gonna want to work with Adaie
Speaker 3: and and I think that's gonna help a lot. You
Speaker 3: think about his bat at Fenway, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things to like. But man, the Orioles are feeling pretty
Speaker 3: good about what they got there. They their their farm
Speaker 3: system improved as much as any you know, besides maybe
Speaker 3: the Giants, and I think they didn't have to do
Speaker 3: that without tearing it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 4: Good point for sure. Going over to our next trade,
Speaker 4: we got the Luisa Riise trade or should I say
Speaker 4: the Ramone Marquez trade importantly for the call up here,
Speaker 4: but Luisa Rise and Caleb Killian going over to the Phillies, Phillies,
Speaker 4: you know, phill a contact back they very much needed
Speaker 4: in addition to a solid bullpen arm with Ramone Marquez
Speaker 4: and Marty Gare. Going back over to the Giants, the
Speaker 4: Giants team that definitely improved their farm system in many
Speaker 4: different ways and three different trades in both the Giants
Speaker 4: that we're gonna talk about today. So we'll get to
Speaker 4: the Giants side plenty overall, But like initial thoughts on
Speaker 4: Remo Marquez, someone we've talked about a lot like this
Speaker 4: is a guy. This is a guy we're very much watching.
Speaker 4: The eye has been on him in the past couple
Speaker 4: of months, and now he goes over to the Giants
Speaker 4: as the headliner for at the end of the day
Speaker 4: a Rental and Luisa rise And I think maybe the
Speaker 4: controllable reliever with Killian is part of what gets them
Speaker 4: a Marquez here. But Marquez is a huge gad here
Speaker 4: for San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I wasn't in the war room, but I have
Speaker 3: a strong guess that Marquez was the ask and for
Speaker 3: Arias and today we can't do that for Rental and
Speaker 3: they just trying and trying and trying and not gonna happen,
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. Well, what if we include you know,
Speaker 3: what else do we need to include? What if we
Speaker 3: include Caleb Killian, who you know I always bounced around
Speaker 3: a little bit, but he's not worthless in this deal.
Speaker 3: And I think Killian is the reason why finally, you know,
Speaker 3: Philly said, all you know, we'll send you Marquez because
Speaker 3: at least now we're getting a guy with five years
Speaker 3: of control that can help our bullpen. And who knows
Speaker 3: can kind of be used in a swingman role, whatever
Speaker 3: that may be. And and Killian has taken a big
Speaker 3: step forward this year. He's pitched it leverage for the Giants,
Speaker 3: and you've got five years to work with after this one.
Speaker 3: I really think that the Giants like, why would the
Speaker 3: Giants want to trade Caleb Killian.
Speaker 2: It's not a guy that you're just jumping.
Speaker 3: Out of your seat to move right like they're looking
Speaker 3: to move rentals and guys that aren't a big or
Speaker 3: super expensive players. Killian is not the kind of guy
Speaker 3: that a rebuilding team moves. But I think that's how
Speaker 3: badly they wanted Ramone Marquez, because Ramone Marquez, who's been
Speaker 3: one of the breakouts of breakouts this year, you know
Speaker 3: in the Phillies organization. It's just such an easy pitch
Speaker 3: like mix at this point, even though it's three offerings
Speaker 3: for the most part, to say that's gonna work in
Speaker 3: the big leaks. Now to what capacity that's gonna be
Speaker 3: execution dependent, It's gonna be a little bit of like
Speaker 3: maybe he can find a fourth pitch, maybe the fastball
Speaker 3: shape can improve a little bit. But this is the
Speaker 3: best change up I think in the minor leagues. I'll
Speaker 3: have to look around. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 3: better one. Some crazy numbers for you on Ramo Marcus
Speaker 3: and before before I mentioned the change up and get
Speaker 3: into it, like fastball being up a tick and change
Speaker 3: is really helping an already elite change up now play
Speaker 3: up even more. Fastball is averaging ninety five point two
Speaker 3: miles per hour for Marquez, the change up is thirteen
Speaker 3: miles per hour separated from it an eighty two miles
Speaker 3: per hour on average, and it's getting about twelve less
Speaker 3: inches of vert so you get twelve inches of vertical
Speaker 3: separation and then seventeen inches of arm side fade to it.
Speaker 3: Opponents are hitting against this pitch this year, oh ninety
Speaker 3: with a one to twelve slug against that change up.
Speaker 3: That's not even the craziest dat. The craziest dat on
Speaker 3: Ramone Marquet.
Speaker 2: I had to check this.
Speaker 3: I reached out to several other people to make sure
Speaker 3: that I had this right. Sixty seven percent with rate
Speaker 3: on the change up for Ramone Marques espicially throws thirty
Speaker 3: seven percent the time. To put that in perspective, to
Speaker 3: flip it, that means hitters when they're up the plate
Speaker 3: at the plate and they see a change up thrown
Speaker 3: to them, are making contact with it thirty three percent
Speaker 3: of the time.
Speaker 4: I mean, is that an eighty grade change up for Marquez?
Speaker 4: I really am not sure if there's another one. If
Speaker 4: you try to look around minor league baseball, and when
Speaker 4: you hear those numbers.
Speaker 3: It's hard because then what would an eighty grade changeup book? Like,
Speaker 3: no one ever touches it ever, so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean from a when you watch it too, and
Speaker 3: just how difficult it is to pick up out of
Speaker 3: the hand that the late fade and just kind of
Speaker 3: the bugs bunny to it.
Speaker 2: Like if I think, if he's putting up similar.
Speaker 3: Numbers a double A, that that's gotta be in the
Speaker 3: conversation of a legit eighty grade change up.
Speaker 2: And that's what makes him.
Speaker 3: So so special here is like if you're seeing hitters
Speaker 3: have similar reactions and just big misses at the upper levels,
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to argue against that being
Speaker 3: a potentially eighty grade pitch, And it's like he can
Speaker 3: manipulate it. And I think that's what really when I
Speaker 3: see pitches like that are like adaptable, where you can
Speaker 3: you know, kind of make it more screwballie, it's seventy eight,
Speaker 3: seventy nine or a little bit more of a traditional
Speaker 3: change up with a harder fade at eighty two eighty three.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, Okay, this is a really unique
Speaker 3: pitch that's gonna almost have multiple proanngs to it, and
Speaker 3: that makes it easier to maybe look at an eighty
Speaker 3: grade pitch in that regard. And then the other aspect
Speaker 3: is like, he's not just like a fastball change up
Speaker 3: guy because he's throwing harder now. His gyro slider has
Speaker 3: improved drastically, and that's given him a really good third
Speaker 3: pitch in the upper eighties that has generated plenty of
Speaker 3: with and it's strike throwing, dude. It's a sixty six
Speaker 3: percent strike right across the entire arsenal. So when you
Speaker 3: look at it from that perspective, it's it's really easy
Speaker 3: to buy in on what Marquez is selling. And you
Speaker 3: look at this giant system, bro, like it's so improved
Speaker 3: where you.
Speaker 2: Have the.
Speaker 3: Up like high upside bats that you're so excited about
Speaker 3: with Josuar and Lose Hernandez.
Speaker 2: And then of course even you know with.
Speaker 3: What you've got with some of the guys that have
Speaker 3: kind of stuck their way to the upper levels and
Speaker 3: a bo Davidson all of a sudden, Dakota Jordan's interesting
Speaker 3: and you just graduated Eldridge, But like.
Speaker 2: Then, what did they need pitching?
Speaker 3: They go and they get and I'm not eventioned Johnny Level,
Speaker 3: another fun lower level guy, and they get Jackson Floor
Speaker 3: out of the draft, and then they adramal Marquez.
Speaker 2: He also got two other high upside arms out of
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 4: Is a couple of yuys we're going to talk about.
Speaker 4: So then today too as well in in the.
Speaker 3: Trades exactly, and they made a lot more trades. This
Speaker 3: system is cooking, and I think it's one of the
Speaker 3: more fun all of a sudden in baseball. It's been
Speaker 3: a nightmare season on all fronts at the big league
Speaker 3: level for the Giants. But at least you have something
Speaker 3: to salvage there. Quick shout on Marty Gare twenty three
Speaker 3: years old. I do think this guy is going to
Speaker 3: land in the big league bullpen, you know, and to
Speaker 3: get him as like a throw in here is not bad,
Speaker 3: super super high fastball usage eighty percent, but I'd use
Speaker 3: my fastball a lot too. If it's ninety eight miles
Speaker 3: an hour with you know, almost twenty inches of from
Speaker 3: a slightly above average release sight and above average extension,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a matter of refining. The secondary
Speaker 3: is getting that slider to be more consistent. But that
Speaker 3: fastball is potentially seventy grade and that'll play in a bullpen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say that about Garrett. Seems
Speaker 4: like he missed some time with injuries too, Like he's
Speaker 4: only thrown like thirty, like sixty something professional innings since
Speaker 4: being drafted in twenty three. But the fastball's elite and
Speaker 4: he's a true reliever, Like maybe you could get something
Speaker 4: out of him as as a bullpen guy. Getting marquezt
Speaker 4: although obviously in this deal, that's one of the biggest
Speaker 4: victories of the deadline.
Speaker 2: Honestly, for a one hundred percent he'll be on the
Speaker 2: top one hundred update.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's take a quick break before we dive into
Speaker 4: some more trades. Here jumping right back into part two
Speaker 4: of the trade deadline breakdowns, we're talking all the prospect
Speaker 4: returns one by one each trade.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: The next one up is Casey Myz to the Padres
Speaker 4: This was a buzzer beater. This was right at the
Speaker 4: end of the deadline and it was like, oh, they
Speaker 4: sold s Google, let's go sell another one of our
Speaker 4: rental pitchers. The Tigers have a lot of young pitching.
Speaker 4: They were able to do it. They move Casey Myz
Speaker 4: to the Padres, who we're going to go back to
Speaker 4: back Padres trades here. They got two starting pitchers that
Speaker 4: are both huge additions for that roster there, the first
Speaker 4: one being Mesh Cassey Mees and Gage Workmen as well
Speaker 4: utility infielder going over to the Padres from the Tigers
Speaker 4: in exchange for cash Mayfield and Jackson Wolf. Mayfield is
Speaker 4: obviously the headliner here as a guy with some pretty
Speaker 4: good pedigree somebody we talked to actually at the futures game,
Speaker 4: and you know, a pretty big name here, and Wolf
Speaker 4: is not anything as well. But yeah, what do you
Speaker 4: think about this return in terms of you're it's really
Speaker 4: a rental pitcher at the end of the day, it
Speaker 4: gets you too interesting left handers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I loved the Maze pick up for the Padres,
Speaker 3: but I was a little bit concerned. Maybe are just
Speaker 3: kind of questioning what the return might be because you
Speaker 3: saw myz kind of trending down belw wise a little bit.
Speaker 2: It was that something I'm sure teams were very aware
Speaker 2: of at the deadline. And then unfortunately in.
Speaker 3: Maz's first start with the Padres, it was bombs away
Speaker 3: and didn't quite look as sharp stuff wise as before.
Speaker 3: But even so, you know you're you're able to land
Speaker 3: if you're the Tigers a high floor pitching prospect here.
Speaker 3: Now my is like, excuse me, Mayfield's first round pick
Speaker 3: is put up really good numb. But I think with
Speaker 3: him it's more of like, this is a guy that
Speaker 3: has a good field of pitch, has some built in
Speaker 3: deception that is allowing him to really pick apart lower
Speaker 3: level hitters. Now, I think he's going to be able
Speaker 3: to miss enough bats to be a solid big league starter,
Speaker 3: but I still see more back end of the rotation type.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you know, a J Prewler,
Speaker 3: who's of course always willing to move anybody anyways, was
Speaker 3: willing to maybe move a Mayfield in a rental type
Speaker 3: of deal because I do ultimately think that the ceiling
Speaker 3: is is a little bit more limited. Now you never know,
Speaker 3: maybe Mayfield finds a little bit more vlow. You dealt
Speaker 3: with a little bit of a shoulder thing last year,
Speaker 3: and once he came back from that, the vila did
Speaker 3: tick back up to you know, the low nineties, whereas
Speaker 3: there was a point where it was kind of fighting
Speaker 3: to stick at ninety.
Speaker 2: This year he's averaged ninety one and a half.
Speaker 3: On the fastball, he can get up to four or
Speaker 3: five whole grab here and there, so maybe you hope
Speaker 3: that he can find.
Speaker 2: A little bit more of that.
Speaker 3: But everything plays up because he has this crossfire delivery,
Speaker 3: this high three quarters release, and I think that you know,
Speaker 3: with the fastball change up combination that he has in
Speaker 3: the change up really is a great pitch that he
Speaker 3: is a phenomenal feel for that it seems to really
Speaker 3: keep right handed hitters at bay. And then the slider
Speaker 3: is good enough that he mixes in to keep left
Speaker 3: he's uncomfortable, and it plays up because of that crossfire
Speaker 3: that he generates. So I think Mayfield's going to be
Speaker 3: a good back end of the rotation. Starter could be
Speaker 3: a strong four. You get him, you know, and ultimately
Speaker 3: a deal for a rental, and I think I think
Speaker 3: that's a pretty good get for the Tigers. To just
Speaker 3: add to the farm system and is a high probability
Speaker 3: big league arm for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it seems like there's at least a good
Speaker 4: get for for a rental ultimately, and someone that in
Speaker 4: mis that like you were maybe you try to resign him,
Speaker 4: you see what happens, but like it wasn't a guy
Speaker 4: that you were going to be getting, you know, at
Speaker 4: likely keeping in free agency. They also have a lot
Speaker 4: of pitching, Like I know you guys talk about this
Speaker 4: on the Jami Show a little and peeredd a video
Speaker 4: on it too, But like the Tigers have a lot
Speaker 4: of young pictures right now, all the way Melton's throwing,
Speaker 4: the way Montero's throwing. We talked about the last episode,
Speaker 4: like cashing in on another rental like seems like kind
Speaker 4: of a no brainer. And Mayfield might not be the
Speaker 4: most like exciting guy, but like getting another high probability
Speaker 4: back end starter to mix into your system there, it
Speaker 4: seems a positive get for the Diggers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's in st newly their best left handed
Speaker 3: pitching prospect. I think Ben Jacob's right there too, so
Speaker 3: you could maybe make a case there Jacobs And know
Speaker 3: some people love Jacobs, but still like right there as
Speaker 3: you know, one of their top lefty arms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the next Padres trade for another starter, they go
Speaker 4: get Robbie Ray in the same day they got they
Speaker 4: got Casey miz This one costs a little more, though.
Speaker 4: I thought this one definitely was a little bit of
Speaker 4: a price and another good get for the Giants. The
Speaker 4: Giants get Miguel Mendez and Janiel Hernandez in exchange for
Speaker 4: Robbie Ray in this you know, this trade for a
Speaker 4: starter for the Padres. Mendez has been a fairly popular
Speaker 4: name of the Padres organization, someone that's been, you know,
Speaker 4: one of their better pitching prospects in this this new
Speaker 4: era of Padres prospects. And then Hernandez is the name
Speaker 4: that I'm seeing getting a lot of juice right now
Speaker 4: in and a little bit of you know, there's some
Speaker 4: serious upside there for for a duo guys, and Ray's
Speaker 4: been incredible to his credit, So I think that is
Speaker 4: even for a rental drove up the price of Robbie Ray,
Speaker 4: because I'm guessing there was at least five teams trying
Speaker 4: to get a Robbie Ra the way he's been throwing
Speaker 4: this season, probably more than that actually, so it does
Speaker 4: cost the Padres two pretty solid prospects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean a great, great fit too, because
Speaker 2: Ray can just like five and dive it. You hand
Speaker 2: over to that bullpen and good luck.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is where aj probably is able
Speaker 3: to pull these deals off because he's able to find
Speaker 3: even when the farm system doesn't have a super exciting
Speaker 3: top end talent, they do such a good job of
Speaker 3: just identifying, you know, intriguing arms or lower level guys
Speaker 3: that teams will be interested in, at least in rental
Speaker 3: type of deals here.
Speaker 2: And that's what they do. Now.
Speaker 3: Mende is like, it's interesting because he's made twelve starts
Speaker 3: this year, but he's thrown thirty five and two thirten ings,
Speaker 3: so they've been very short leashed with him. I ultimately
Speaker 3: think he's he's a reliever, but this is really loud stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean the fastball he throws a four seamer and
Speaker 3: a two seamer and the four seamer for Mendez, you know,
Speaker 3: and they kind of they kind of bleed together. I
Speaker 3: will say it's mostly I would say a four seamer
Speaker 3: that just.
Speaker 2: Has a variance in shape.
Speaker 3: To be honest, it's getting tagged as two different pitches
Speaker 3: as I'm looking at it more now, but regardless, averages
Speaker 3: ninety seven miles per hour and gets on you pretty
Speaker 3: quick with just the live, loose, quick arm that he has.
Speaker 3: And then you add in his slider that just really
Speaker 3: has some bite off of that at you know, you'll
Speaker 3: throw like a mid eighties variation of it, and then
Speaker 3: I'll throw like a little bit of a harder, more
Speaker 3: cutterish version of it. I think you could be a
Speaker 3: really effective reliever swing man. It'll be interesting to see
Speaker 3: how they decide to utilize him. But just a fun
Speaker 3: arm to add to the fold. I think it's twenty
Speaker 3: four years old. You want to kind of get him
Speaker 3: going now. I think relief makes more sense, but still
Speaker 3: a very fun arm to add. And then complete opposite
Speaker 3: in terms of you got all the time in the
Speaker 3: world with Yonniel Hernandez, who's still in the DSL seventeen
Speaker 3: years old. At young seventeen, and you know, this is
Speaker 3: where it's like you look at the data, how much
Speaker 3: can you take from it? Just watching Yonniel Hernandez. It's
Speaker 3: a really advanced swing for his age, and it's a
Speaker 3: quick bat and he already has a good field to
Speaker 3: pull the ball in the air, and he's put some
Speaker 3: really good swings on balls from what I've been able
Speaker 3: to watch, and to already have that air pull ability,
Speaker 3: to already control you know, his lower half, and have
Speaker 3: the batpad that he already has. Like, those are most
Speaker 3: of the key things that you're looking at with these guys,
Speaker 3: and how everything else comes together is like to wait
Speaker 3: and see. But when you're trying to find a second
Speaker 3: piece in a deal and you're not going to get
Speaker 3: you know, a good proven upper levels guy, this is
Speaker 3: where you kind of defer on the scouting and just
Speaker 3: kind of trust what you see with your eyes, because
Speaker 3: this is a guy that would be not even close
Speaker 3: to graduating high school yet you'd be like, what a
Speaker 3: sophomore junior. So that's where it's like you're looking at
Speaker 3: the swing and the mechanics, and I think, as it
Speaker 3: pertains to most of the DSL swings I've seen this year,
Speaker 3: Hernandez has one of the more advanced swings and feels
Speaker 3: for the zone overall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like it's a name to keep an
Speaker 4: eye on and for the Giants again, like it's a rental.
Speaker 4: The Robber Ray has been great don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: but if you can get a interesting hybrid arm and Mendez,
Speaker 4: even if it is a reliever, like it's at least
Speaker 4: an intriguing big league caliber arm, you pair that with
Speaker 4: a young DSL guy that you can just have as
Speaker 4: another one of your projects.
Speaker 2: Right, and yeah, who they've done a good job with.
Speaker 3: Right that they've done a good job with their DSL
Speaker 3: international lower level kids to transition them now all to
Speaker 3: low D.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you see what happens and you get another
Speaker 4: one in the mix, and I mean he's immediately already
Speaker 4: playing two games for the Giants and has raked in
Speaker 4: his first two games over there in the DSL, and
Speaker 4: then bring him stateside at a young eighteen next year
Speaker 4: and see what happens. Right, So there's some serious intrigue there.
Speaker 4: I think the Giants did really well for themselves. And
Speaker 4: there's a whole another one that will have another picture
Speaker 4: that they got that we'll talk about later. But they've
Speaker 4: done a nice job in this trade and for the
Speaker 4: Padres though, Like I think that you're getting two guys
Speaker 4: that Eves much as Mis was a rough first start,
Speaker 4: and he's arressed a little, like you're filling out a rotation
Speaker 4: that desperately needed to be filled out right, like they
Speaker 4: with Paveta's injury circumstances, with the way that some of
Speaker 4: the guys trended like they they needed to come in
Speaker 4: this deadline if they want to compete. It was either
Speaker 4: the two options for the past few weeks. The Padres
Speaker 4: do like you sell Mason Miller and just say just sell,
Speaker 4: or if you're gonna buy. They needed at least two
Speaker 4: starters and they get two legit starters in these two trades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they do, you know, they're able to upgrade
Speaker 3: the team, give them a legitimate chance.
Speaker 2: The Bats have bought that opportunity.
Speaker 3: And they don't move Sawas obviously they don't move you know,
Speaker 3: Cruise school.
Speaker 2: Craft who has huge walk problems.
Speaker 3: But I still think, as you know, enough upside where
Speaker 3: a lot of people would be excited. They didn't move
Speaker 3: Ty Harvey, they didn't move Tucker Musgrove. Like this was
Speaker 3: a disciplined deadline too, in terms of what they parted with,
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the exciting part I think
Speaker 3: for what should be for Padres fans too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt next trade up is a funny one
Speaker 4: because it was two big leaguers for just one prospect,
Speaker 4: and those are pretty rare to find that a prospect
Speaker 4: demands two big leaders and one being a pretty highly
Speaker 4: demanded big leaguer. Clay Holmes and Tyron Taylor go over
Speaker 4: to the Cubs in exchange for Jefferson Rojas, shortstop infield
Speaker 4: prospect for the Cubs, who is the top one hundred
Speaker 4: guy for us, been a top one hundred guy in
Speaker 4: the past many times, and is someone that has had
Speaker 4: a really good year. But interesting enough that the home
Speaker 4: situation fascinated me because Clay Holmes had a lot of suitors.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of teams that were trying to
Speaker 4: get even a rental play Holmes, who's currently injured because
Speaker 4: of what he did last year and really because of
Speaker 4: what he did the first month this season before he
Speaker 4: got that injury. Holmes getting I think for the Mets,
Speaker 4: Holmes particularly seemed like a guy where it was like,
Speaker 4: let's get the best prospect possible. They didn't. They didn't
Speaker 4: go for They probably had other offers on the table.
Speaker 4: I know they had other offers on the table that were,
Speaker 4: you know, a two to three prospect little packages. They
Speaker 4: went with the other route of when the Cubs said, hey,
Speaker 4: we will do Rojas. It was that was the turning
Speaker 4: one of like, let's get the best prospect we can get, Jefferson.
Speaker 4: Rojas is a very legit piece that the Mets bring
Speaker 4: in here for a guy in Holmes who was a
Speaker 4: rental and a guy in Taylor who's probably not part
Speaker 4: of their future.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My guess again, this will be just kind of how
Speaker 3: it played out, and you know, put peace in some
Speaker 3: of the things together. From what I would imagine is
Speaker 3: you had Rojas being the ask from the Mets, and
Speaker 3: you know, initially Cubs saying no, right, like, we can't
Speaker 3: do Rojas for Clay Holmes. And you know, the shop
Speaker 3: around then, and you know, you probably get from several
Speaker 3: different teams for Clay Holmes, those that the number thirteen
Speaker 3: prospect and number eighteen prospect in a system or maybe
Speaker 3: a little bit better than that, and you know whatever
Speaker 3: it may be number eight prospects in a slightly wor
Speaker 3: system number two.
Speaker 2: Well, and maybe some other deals don't.
Speaker 3: Come together for the Cubs, maybe they just finally have
Speaker 3: this moment where they circle back and it's hey, we'll
Speaker 3: we'll do Rojas, but you got to give us Tyrone
Speaker 3: Taylor too, And I think that's the interesting thing, is
Speaker 3: Tyrone Taylor, like in a market where you know, short
Speaker 3: platoon bats were actually getting you a decent, decent returns
Speaker 3: here and there, Like Tyrone Taylor is one of the
Speaker 3: best short patoon bats because he also gives you a
Speaker 3: lot of defensive value as well. And so I think
Speaker 3: that's where it was like all right, and I think
Speaker 3: he says a lot about Rojas and and what the
Speaker 3: Mets think about him. But they were able to there
Speaker 3: were because they could have got again similar with Tyrone Taylor,
Speaker 3: not as exciting, but you could have got a couple
Speaker 3: back in top thirty guys for I mean, look at
Speaker 3: look at what you know, the Royals were able to
Speaker 3: get a decent arm and Lucas Brown for you know,
Speaker 3: Lane Thomas, and I think there's this pretty obvious case
Speaker 3: that I think you're getting a little bit more value
Speaker 3: probably in a Mets deal where you're moving, you know,
Speaker 3: I think a guy that can actually play center field.
Speaker 3: So that's where I think they find only maybe got
Speaker 3: the Cubs to cave there. And Rojas is a player
Speaker 3: that probably won't stick it short. But it's all about
Speaker 3: the bat here and he's been challenged yet like every level,
Speaker 3: the Cubs have pushed him really aggressively, and at the
Speaker 3: end of each year he gets this really aggressive promotion
Speaker 3: where he's one of the youngest players at the level
Speaker 3: and he struggles a little bit, and then the next
Speaker 3: year he gets his second taste of the level and
Speaker 3: he really performs.
Speaker 2: And I think we're seeing that this year.
Speaker 3: At Double A, where again young twenty one years old,
Speaker 3: he is getting into the power a little bit more.
Speaker 3: The bats of ball has always been there. Now he
Speaker 3: needs to be a little bit better against spin. He
Speaker 3: can kind of leave with his front side on breaking stuff.
Speaker 3: But overall, I mean, really good contact rates eighty five
Speaker 3: percent in zone, good feel for the barrel that he
Speaker 3: is more like visibly he's a better hitter than I
Speaker 3: even think the contact rates would imply. And I think
Speaker 3: as he settles in and you know, just matures and
Speaker 3: sees more spin and just gets more experienced, it'll be there.
Speaker 2: And we've seen him flash some good evs.
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of getting into it more consistently,
Speaker 3: continuing to get stronger, which he has this year. So
Speaker 3: I mean we've seen him pop home runs of one
Speaker 3: to ten plus, Like there's a fun blend of like
Speaker 3: above average to potentially plus hit an average pop here.
Speaker 3: And if he's at second base, I think he's inn
Speaker 3: above average defender. He could maybe play third, I don't
Speaker 3: think short. But this is a really fun bat that
Speaker 3: still has some proximity. It's a good combination of proximity
Speaker 3: and a lot of room to grow that I think
Speaker 3: makes him a great addition and by far I think
Speaker 3: the mets best prospect return of the deadline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's an interesting one for the Mets too,
Speaker 4: because I do think he's a guy that, like the
Speaker 4: Mets offseason is gonna be fascinating because he's someone that
Speaker 4: I think could be reflipped honestly, depending on what the
Speaker 4: Mets goal is this offseason, right if they're trying to
Speaker 4: then retool for a push again next year, I could
Speaker 4: see a world where he's another flip candidate and carry's
Speaker 4: just as much value as he does right now, or
Speaker 4: more potentially come the off season or for the Mets,
Speaker 4: like you can give him one more year in the
Speaker 4: minors next year, and you can look at him as
Speaker 4: a guy that your next wave in twenty twenty eight
Speaker 4: probably it can be a real piece of that. So
Speaker 4: I could see it going different ways. But either way,
Speaker 4: like turning two rentals, even if they're both good rentals,
Speaker 4: into a top one hundred prospect, you'll take that if
Speaker 4: you're the Mets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look at second base all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, Okay, well you're gonna have Rojas
Speaker 3: a trip away to start the year next year. And
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what the hell you do
Speaker 3: with Marcus Emion, but I mean there's a world where
Speaker 3: they might just cut bait and eat it and deal
Speaker 3: with it, and who's next up to potentially go play
Speaker 3: second base. There's a world where if they like Rojas
Speaker 3: that much, you could be a guy that ends up
Speaker 3: being there, you know, their future at second too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that could totally play out that way. We got
Speaker 4: three more trades. It's take one more quick break and
Speaker 4: then we'll get into three more trades on part two.
Speaker 4: Right now, plenty more trades to discuss here on part
Speaker 4: two of our trade deadline prospect return breakdowns. We got
Speaker 4: three more today and then we'll have part three coming
Speaker 4: out in a day or two here, but this one
Speaker 4: might be the top ranked prospect I think according to
Speaker 4: Just Baseball, moved at the deadline, Jose Soriano goes over
Speaker 4: to the Blue Jays and this fascinating buy and sell
Speaker 4: trade deadline from Toronto for a package headline by Argentamala.
Speaker 4: This guy's a top thirty prospect for us at just
Speaker 4: Baseball right now and is someone that you have been
Speaker 4: one of the high guys on for quite some time.
Speaker 4: The rest of the fact, it's Argentamala, Eddie, Michael Lededi
Speaker 4: and on hell Rivero, two other secondary pieces that are
Speaker 4: of note. But at the same time, this is the
Speaker 4: Argentamala Jose Soriano trade. Two and a half years of
Speaker 4: Soriano for the Jays was always going to cost a lot.
Speaker 4: The asking price was extremely high from the Angels for
Speaker 4: both Soriano and redett Meers. Ultimately, the Blue Jays get
Speaker 4: it done in a year where they're not necessarily contending
Speaker 4: this year. But I think the fact of getting Soriano
Speaker 4: for two more years beyond this got them to trade Argentamala,
Speaker 4: which is not an easy ass.
Speaker 2: There, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: I was, you know, surprise, not shocked, I would say,
Speaker 3: because again, this is a team that's wants to get
Speaker 3: back there next year. And I think if you look
Speaker 3: at it, it's not even being delusional or over zealous
Speaker 3: to say that this has just been a disastrous offensive year.
Speaker 3: If we have our pitching where we think it could
Speaker 3: be next year, the offense just needs to not be
Speaker 3: the complete unmitigated parlay of disasters that has been this year.
Speaker 3: And you have Cease with so much control and could
Speaker 3: win the cy young and you pair a Storiana with him,
Speaker 3: and you Savage if he can stay healthy, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot to like overall, I think with the rotation.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was it was a price to pay,
Speaker 3: and and I love seeing the Angels operate like we're
Speaker 3: seeing a process here, which is wonderful because this is
Speaker 3: what happens. When you have a process. You can actually
Speaker 3: acquire young, controllable and exciting talent that could help kind
Speaker 3: of push this franchise forward. And it's not like they're
Speaker 3: at the top of the payroll the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: This is how you if you want to spend more carefully,
Speaker 3: great you've got There's nothing better than having a talented
Speaker 3: rookie that's gonna be making the minimum for three years
Speaker 3: and then our arb after that and then you can
Speaker 3: you know, make your signings around there. But that's not
Speaker 3: something that the Angels ever really had because they never
Speaker 3: made these types of moves. Cashing in on Soriano is great,
Speaker 3: Like he was one of the best pitchers in the
Speaker 3: game through the first month or two and he's still
Speaker 3: proven that he's going to be really solid, and I
Speaker 3: think the Blue Jays of a plan to maybe tweak
Speaker 3: pitch usage things like that to maybe get him back
Speaker 3: to where he was in the first couple of months.
Speaker 3: But since then he's looked really solid, but more like
Speaker 3: the guy that we saw the last couple of seasons,
Speaker 3: which is a really good kind of mid three type
Speaker 3: of arm. So I think it was a great opportunity
Speaker 3: for them to cash in and to get Namala, Like
Speaker 3: this is a system that I mean, it feels like
Speaker 3: it's been forever since they've had this kind of player
Speaker 3: where it's like he can netto flew through the minor league.
Speaker 2: So it felt like we barely even had him there.
Speaker 2: But Namala is.
Speaker 3: A guy that has made so much progress this year
Speaker 3: in the power department. You look get just the approach
Speaker 3: as well, sub twenty chase rate that's been huge. The
Speaker 3: exit velocities have jumped by several miles per hour. I
Speaker 3: mean he is consistently like his quality of contact FLO
Speaker 3: is so high. Average xiblosity of ninety two and a
Speaker 3: half this year is crazy for Archieamala and and he's
Speaker 3: one of the guys too where yeah, he's starting to
Speaker 3: flash them at the top end and you're seeing him
Speaker 3: pop like one twelves, which is great. But an average
Speaker 3: ev of ninety two and a half for a guy
Speaker 3: that max is at one twelve tells you he is
Speaker 3: getting his A swing off consistently, and it's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a rigid swing, as you'll see. But because
Speaker 3: of that, I think he's able to just consistently get
Speaker 3: his A swing off. It's gonna result in some whiff
Speaker 3: and challenges on spin, and I think that's something that
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to improve because it can get again
Speaker 3: a little bit stiff swing wise. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: he has found a way to swing hard consistently and
Speaker 3: hammer velocity, hammer hangers and put himself in a position
Speaker 3: to do damage because he was never gonna be a
Speaker 3: plus hitter. You pair that with much improved swing decisions,
Speaker 3: cut his Chase right by six percent this year and
Speaker 3: really has a better feel for the zone. And it
Speaker 3: seems like you're seeing the ingredients coming together for a
Speaker 3: guy that's probably gonna be a fringe hitter but is
Speaker 3: going to be able to stick it short, give you
Speaker 3: above average power, and if you pair all in a
Speaker 3: good approach, you pair all that together, you have a
Speaker 3: good chance to have an above average shortstot for a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, and you'll take that again for the Angels,
Speaker 4: like you cash in probably at the right time on Soriano.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, there's still probably not
Speaker 4: a contending team the next couple of years while Soriano's
Speaker 4: under control, and you get a guy that if he
Speaker 4: can be your you know, a potential shortstop or if
Speaker 4: he should you know, if he can stick it short
Speaker 4: with power, and he still seems like he's getting into it.
Speaker 4: You kind of hit on there, but like still seems
Speaker 4: like there's just there's more to come on the power
Speaker 4: department from Namala, definitely in terms of the numbers at
Speaker 4: least right Like you look at eight homers this season
Speaker 4: between in sixty three games, then you might not get
Speaker 4: super fired up about that, Like there's more in the
Speaker 4: tank there that he'll turn into game power from the wrong.
Speaker 3: Ev ninety of one oh seven almost this year, and
Speaker 3: and a hard hit rate of fifty one percent, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's in there.
Speaker 2: It's just finding him more consistently. It's plus bat speed.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see more from him, and I
Speaker 3: think he can move kind of quickly and they'll challenge him,
Speaker 3: and I think he's a guy that actually is worthy
Speaker 3: of the challenge of, you know, getting up to the
Speaker 3: big league sooner rather than later. And then you know,
Speaker 3: Rivero is a fun flyer arm that was turning some
Speaker 3: heads at the complex with a sneaky heater and a
Speaker 3: field to spin it. And Michael EDI's just kind of
Speaker 3: a throw in, but a twenty four year old that's
Speaker 3: produced at each stop and has put up above average
Speaker 3: numbers in Double A.
Speaker 2: So you know, you take those guys' throwings. But Namala
Speaker 2: was the show.
Speaker 4: Here most definitely. Namala was the was the big get here.
Speaker 4: And it's my guess is that we came down to
Speaker 4: one of those a similar situation where it's like, who's
Speaker 4: the best prospect we can get for Jose Soriano. I
Speaker 4: think they were asking other teams. I know that many
Speaker 4: teams in the mix there, and when Namala became like
Speaker 4: really on the table, that was what made the deal happened,
Speaker 4: probably right easy. Next trade up was Liam Hicks going
Speaker 4: over from the Marlins to the Rays for a trio
Speaker 4: of prospects from Tampa. This was an interesting one. I
Speaker 4: know we talked about Hicks kind of he kind of
Speaker 4: emerged late as like a pretty clear trade candidate of
Speaker 4: just like getting the Marlins trading from a strength area
Speaker 4: in the kind of a couple guys that all fit
Speaker 4: in that similar category. He's not really a true catcher,
Speaker 4: but I know that the Rays wanted to get a
Speaker 4: bat and he will probably catch a little bit for them.
Speaker 4: The trio of prospects going back over to Miami is
Speaker 4: infielder Brandon Taylor, shortstop Adrian Santana, and then and right
Speaker 4: hander Jacob Kissing. What do you have on these three?
Speaker 4: Is there any other three that stand out to you?
Speaker 4: Because I honestly Taylor's the biggest name, but I'm not
Speaker 4: sure he really was like the headliner from like a
Speaker 4: value standpoint given, but he's done so far in the minors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it depends who you ask, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: like some outlets have Braydon Taylor as a top one
Speaker 3: hundred guy, you know, and then yeah, I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit more skeptical on Taylor. There's no way around the
Speaker 3: fact that Taylor's been significantly better this year and has
Speaker 3: played his way into, you know, I think being considered
Speaker 3: as as a future big league piece. It's just in
Speaker 3: what capacity is that? And I think that's where it
Speaker 3: becomes interesting. Now, Taylor at double A this year has
Speaker 3: been really good. One thirty six WRC plus, he's cut
Speaker 3: his strikeout rate by five percent. He's he's already doubled
Speaker 3: his home runs. But I think they so of a
Speaker 3: lot of people in the Southern League. So the power
Speaker 3: stuff's maybe to be taken with a grain of salt,
Speaker 3: And I do think about that, like he's an airpole guy,
Speaker 3: but the ball's really flying this year, so like, yes,
Speaker 3: he's gonna outsoil his exit velocities, but also like an
Speaker 3: airpole guy's probably.
Speaker 2: To be disproportionately rewarded.
Speaker 3: Then he would be, you know, in other circumstances except
Speaker 3: for in trip away. So now I'm excited to see
Speaker 3: I think that the trip away finish year will be
Speaker 3: very telling because this was also Taylor's third stint in
Speaker 3: Double A. It was only thirty games in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four at Double A, but it was thirty games here
Speaker 3: where he struck out thirty seven percent.
Speaker 2: Of the time.
Speaker 3: Then in twenty twenty five at Double A he improves
Speaker 3: that right. He cuts the strike hout right by ten percent.
Speaker 3: In one hundred eight games, he strikes out twenty eight
Speaker 3: percent of the time, but he puts up a seventy
Speaker 3: seven WRC plus.
Speaker 2: That's one seventy three.
Speaker 3: So now that this is his third stint at that
Speaker 3: level and in a year where the balls flying a
Speaker 3: little bit more, but even by WRC plus has been good.
Speaker 2: He's produced. So I think there's a couple of things.
Speaker 3: I know the Marlins very keen on the glove, and
Speaker 3: they think he can be a great third basement. From
Speaker 3: what I've seen, I think he could be a good
Speaker 3: third basement, like above average third basement.
Speaker 2: So that helps.
Speaker 3: You also have a guy that's drastically improved as contact
Speaker 3: r it's eighty six percent overall or eighty six percent
Speaker 3: in the zone, seventy five percent overall. That's good, not great.
Speaker 3: Average exuvosity of eighty seven miles per hour. That's leaves
Speaker 3: a bit to be desired, a lot of pressure on
Speaker 3: outslug in the eggs velocities, which again he at least
Speaker 3: does a good job of air pulling. I think it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's a profile where you you got
Speaker 3: to thread the needle.
Speaker 2: And I just I'm not as high on him.
Speaker 3: I think is some outlets and as the Marlins are,
Speaker 3: let's say, and my biggest concern is this, he's made
Speaker 3: this big improvement in Double A, he's still hit one
Speaker 3: sixty seven with a five eighty seven ops against breaking
Speaker 3: balls and seeing them twenty nine percent of the time.
Speaker 3: You're gonna see him a hell of a lot more
Speaker 3: in Triple A and in the big leagues. To me,
Speaker 3: I think this is more of like a solid defender,
Speaker 3: versatile third base, second base, could even plug in and
Speaker 3: shortstop and a pinch kind of infield utility type. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I see, you know, a headliner piece here,
Speaker 3: but he still has to kind of technically be the
Speaker 3: headliner piece because this is a very Peter Bendix package.
Speaker 2: To me, like these are model players, and I don't
Speaker 2: mean this.
Speaker 3: Is like a negative way, Like they're just the types
Speaker 3: of players that they've targeted and it works out well
Speaker 3: in model players. I mean like defense, some speed, some
Speaker 3: good bats to ball, and those are like the carrying
Speaker 3: tools that the models are going to love because it's
Speaker 3: high probability big league war even on like the median outcome,
Speaker 3: slightly below average outcoming, then the high end outcome. Obviously
Speaker 3: you could see some some big time war outputs there.
Speaker 3: But like Adrian Santana, Santana's I believe a local kid
Speaker 3: drafted in the Compai round thirty first overall by the race,
Speaker 3: got two million dollar bonus in twenty three. He's been solid,
Speaker 3: you know this year and it's taken a step forward.
Speaker 3: But I mean this is you know, one of the
Speaker 3: lighter hitting guys in terms of impact that you're gonna
Speaker 3: find in in the minor leagues. Like a max air
Speaker 3: exit not even max arax is max ex velocity that
Speaker 3: is not a negative launch angle is one degree this year. Now,
Speaker 3: the flip side is he's a switch hitter that's running
Speaker 3: in eighty six percent contact right, eighty nine percent in
Speaker 3: zone and is a great defender at shortstop. He's gonna stick,
Speaker 3: so you have a guy that like it's starlink Cobba coated,
Speaker 3: like he's gonna put the play consistently. He can run,
Speaker 3: and you know he's going to play good shortstop. But
Speaker 3: another guy that really has to thread the needle I
Speaker 3: think to be an above average regular, because how are
Speaker 3: you gonna find those hits? If your average exibosity is
Speaker 3: eighty four miles per hour, it's gonna be really hard
Speaker 3: to find those hits consistently. And your hard hit rate
Speaker 3: is seventeen percent. So yes, he's still young, he's twenty one.
Speaker 3: Maybe he can strengthen up a little bit more than
Speaker 3: I know. The Marlins will put him on a bat
Speaker 3: speed program that hope that they can improve it from
Speaker 3: like the mid sixties, which is where it's at right now.
Speaker 2: But again, another guy I think the will have.
Speaker 3: His chances of landings like a utility, you know, solid
Speaker 3: bench infield type.
Speaker 2: But how does he get to above average regular?
Speaker 3: And then Kissing's interesting because get the pitching version of it, dude,
Speaker 3: Like breakout has been awesome this year, Big body sixty
Speaker 3: five to twenty throws a ton of strikes for who
Speaker 3: he is, but it's also like, what is that stuff?
Speaker 3: Gonna ultimately play like it's a fastball that averages ninety
Speaker 3: two miles an hour. I like that he's a two
Speaker 3: to change up guy. I think that's really unique.
Speaker 2: And he just fills up the zone.
Speaker 3: So it's a guy that throws a ton of strikes,
Speaker 3: but he's older for hi, a that doesn't have a
Speaker 3: clear plus pitch, and it's like, Okay, I feel really
Speaker 3: good about him being a depth arm as he gets
Speaker 3: to being a strong number four starter, And I think
Speaker 3: what it all kind of like goes back to for
Speaker 3: me is maybe Liam Hicks wasn't as valuable as I
Speaker 3: may have thought. And he's a tough player to assess too,
Speaker 3: because he's a forty grade catcher, but he's had this
Speaker 3: power breakout this year. He's one of the best bat
Speaker 3: toball guys in the entire sport and he has great approach.
Speaker 2: So with many years of control. So that's where it's been.
Speaker 2: It was weird for me.
Speaker 3: I thought the Marlins would do better and this one
Speaker 3: of the returns that I just thought came back a
Speaker 3: little bit lighter than I was expecting, but high for
Speaker 3: They're gonna get three big leage pieces here.
Speaker 2: It's just in what capacity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe there's something there to tap into, right
Speaker 4: with these guys, we're like kissing like a one to
Speaker 4: seventy ra through eighty six innings this year, Like he's
Speaker 4: been great, right, And even some of these guys who
Speaker 4: said Taylor's numbers have been very good this year too.
Speaker 4: So I'm guessing there's some things the Marlins I did
Speaker 4: there that are just like these are a few little
Speaker 4: areas where like we think we can at them from
Speaker 4: the floor guy to like floor with some ceiling guy.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's kind of the adjustment here. But I
Speaker 4: did think, given hicks Like length of control, that what
Speaker 4: you're saying there makes a lot of sense. And none
Speaker 4: of these guys really feel like a true headliner, even
Speaker 4: though Taylor from a name value and from a production
Speaker 4: is the headliner here. Last trade up on this part,
Speaker 4: we've got the Elliott Ramos trade to the Yankees. This
Speaker 4: was an interesting one because I don't think outfielder was
Speaker 4: necessarily where we thought the Yankees would add, but once
Speaker 4: they got Garcia they needed they wanted another bat to
Speaker 4: really shore up that lineup with the injuries they've dealt with.
Speaker 4: Just with where the Yankees are at how good that
Speaker 4: rotation has been. Getting another bat was definitely a good idea.
Speaker 4: Ramost comes with three and a half years of control,
Speaker 4: so it definitely cost the Yankees send Henry Lalane and
Speaker 4: that shortstop Cayden Kent over to the Giants, both guys
Speaker 4: that are ranked in that system. But le Layane is
Speaker 4: definitely the get here for the Giants. And we talked
Speaker 4: about it earlier that they got another couple pitchers earlier on
Speaker 4: and this is another serious arm to bolster a farm
Speaker 4: system that is a little bats heavy right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Lolana is is it goes? Yeah? I
Speaker 2: used to say, well I.
Speaker 4: Think I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fun arm.
Speaker 3: To add for sure because Mlane he's dealt with injuries
Speaker 3: and that's where it's gonna be just just fascinating to
Speaker 3: see just you know, a guy can he handle the
Speaker 3: work load like the Yankees were obviously moving him slowly
Speaker 3: after dealing with the injuries over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so he starts this year at Loeway again. It
Speaker 3: was like his third stint there and he was fantastic,
Speaker 3: I mean, just just dominating hitters because now that he's
Speaker 3: healthy the fastball went up from ninety two miles per
Speaker 3: hour on average last year to ninety four this year.
Speaker 3: So I think that when you're a lefty that's six
Speaker 3: foot seven, that's going to I think, help that pitch
Speaker 3: just get on hitters more quickly. He gets above average
Speaker 3: extension down the mound and a little bit of run
Speaker 3: and ride there. So like that fastball was overwhelming lower
Speaker 3: level hitters. And then you know, I think when he
Speaker 3: wasn't right in the past, or at least just wasn't growing,
Speaker 3: is hard Like that slider was just like it was
Speaker 3: in the mid seventies, and it's just like, that's such
Speaker 3: an easy pitch to see. It just pops out of
Speaker 3: his hand and it's just not sharp. Now that's more
Speaker 3: at seventy nine to eighty, and it's got a little
Speaker 3: bit more teeth to it and it's sharper. And then
Speaker 3: and then you could say something similar like with the
Speaker 3: change up. Just with the fastball being harder, it sets
Speaker 3: up the change up better, which is, you know, always
Speaker 3: been his best pitch overall. And so now with a
Speaker 3: fastball that speeds hitters up a little bit, you've got
Speaker 3: this change up really playing well off of it, and
Speaker 3: he's got a great feel for it forty five percent wifth.
Speaker 2: Rate so far this season.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how that plays against more
Speaker 3: challenging competition. But you've got now a serviceable three pitch mix.
Speaker 3: Looks like the fastball can be, you know, above average.
Speaker 3: There's still room for him the growing a more velow
Speaker 3: as he's healthy and strengthens. The change up looks like
Speaker 3: it could be a plus pitch and if the slider
Speaker 3: can come along, or maybe he can find you know,
Speaker 3: another bridge pitch, a cutter, a curve bar or whatever,
Speaker 3: it looks like it could be like a back end
Speaker 3: of the rotation type of arm. But at twenty two,
Speaker 3: with his frame and the uptick this year, you could
Speaker 3: still be holding out hope that he sees another uptick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's been a rough like
Speaker 4: development track. Obviously mentioned the injuries, Like it's taken some time. Right,
Speaker 4: this is the guy was was he had twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one signing I think by the Yankees, right, so he's
Speaker 4: been in that org for five years. He's already twenty
Speaker 4: two and just getting up to the higher level now,
Speaker 4: but seeing a lot of success and like you said
Speaker 4: that there's there's still room to grow there, but even
Speaker 4: even as is right now, you're talking about a thirty
Speaker 4: two percent strikeout right this season, Walker, it's only around eight. Like,
Speaker 4: the stuff has looked good and he's producing, So I'm
Speaker 4: curious to see what the plan is for him innings wise,
Speaker 4: Like it actually is in itself, it's impressive that he's already,
Speaker 4: you know, on the way to one hundred plus innings
Speaker 4: this year, given that last year was nineteen innings, the
Speaker 4: year before was twelve innings, right, So like him already
Speaker 4: getting up to one hundred innings this year is a
Speaker 4: huge step forward. And you'd think that the Giants are
Speaker 4: probably going to be pretty careful with him the rest
Speaker 4: of this year so they can get into next year,
Speaker 4: make sure that he's in a good place healthwise, and
Speaker 4: then really let it rip come next season.
Speaker 3: And they've had some lefties that, you know, I've really
Speaker 3: emerged and developed. I mean, Joe Whitman took a huge
Speaker 3: leap this year into becoming a top ten prospect in
Speaker 3: that system. Jacob Resnahan has been impressive. So like, the
Speaker 3: Giants have done a pretty good job with leftanon arms.
Speaker 3: You know, if Blane could be the latest example of
Speaker 3: that then Kit and Kent's not like totally to be
Speaker 3: ignored son of Jeff Kent. You know, just nice year
Speaker 3: so far and high a not punching. Yes, he's a
Speaker 3: college bat, so you want to see him get up
Speaker 3: to double. But he's been banged up with of course
Speaker 3: an undisclosed injuries. The Yankees will never tell you, but
Speaker 3: I'm sure the Giants know so obviously, so it's can't
Speaker 3: be that bad. But Kent good runner at twenty for
Speaker 3: twenty four in the stolen based apartment, Like, he's just
Speaker 3: a pretty solid an advanced hitter that Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: you could ride the hit tool and maybe just enough
Speaker 3: impact and some speed into being you know, a second
Speaker 3: division regular at second base or something like that.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know if he sticks it short.
Speaker 3: So if he's at you know, kind of well rounded
Speaker 3: second basement, could be a nice profile depth piece.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, if Leilan is
Speaker 4: the get here right, you're doing it for a guy
Speaker 4: and Ramos where he does have control. But I still
Speaker 4: don't think the Giants viewed him as like a cornerstone
Speaker 4: piece if they're kind of entering this soft rebuild, right,
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, you cash in
Speaker 4: on that, you get a left handed prospect that you
Speaker 4: really can remon some some serious juice there. Pairing that
Speaker 4: with their other moves, I feel like it makes even
Speaker 4: more sense when you see it in part of that
Speaker 4: puzzle with their other trades, where it's like here's another
Speaker 4: different type of arm to mix in with, you know,
Speaker 4: with me getting Mendes, with getting Marquez, Like they tacked
Speaker 4: on some talent in this draft, like we were in
Speaker 4: this trade deadline, like we talked about earlier, Like they
Speaker 4: just they filled that system with pieces it needed, and
Speaker 4: Leilane does fit as another piece to that puzzle there.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think again the system has just
Speaker 3: really become fun and I'm excited to see how it'll
Speaker 3: continue to kind of finish out the year with so
Speaker 3: many the young players that they have and then you
Speaker 3: know going into next year as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's pretty crazy. I remember looking at our
Speaker 4: top one hundred by team and I remember, like I
Speaker 4: think the preseason twenty twenty five top one hundred by team,
Speaker 4: the Giants had one guy and that was part just
Speaker 4: Bryce Eldridge. I think it was literally just Bryce Eldridge
Speaker 4: for like two lists in a row, maybe three lists
Speaker 4: in a row. Now we're talking about a team that
Speaker 4: could be pushing six, maybe even seven top one hundred
Speaker 4: guys this next update. So like they went from like
Speaker 4: I would say, two years ago, this system was probably
Speaker 4: bottom ten in baseball pretty for sure, and then maybe
Speaker 4: bottom five, and now you're looking at a system that
Speaker 4: I think is pretty clearly top ten and maybe you've
Speaker 4: higher than that.
Speaker 3: Honestly, with huge upside because like Joshuar's ceiling and Louis
Speaker 3: Hernandez's ceiling, and I mean even Dakota Jordan's ceiling, and
Speaker 3: then the Jackson and Flora see, like think about all
Speaker 3: these guys, they have several of them out of the
Speaker 3: upside to be one of the best at their position
Speaker 3: in the minor league. So it's very very fun. I
Speaker 3: know Giants fans like it's frustrating year, but there's a
Speaker 3: lot to be excited about in terms of the talent
Speaker 3: that's on the way, and the deadline I think only
Speaker 3: further bolstered that. That'll do it for part two of
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