WEBVTT - 533 | MLB Trade Deadline Prospect Returns (Part 2) 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:15.840 Any swags, trips it high, deep, understand deep to center field, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.560 and it's gone, Wow. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.840 His first big league swing is gonna be a grand slam, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:29.840 a home line swing. Good time, Tim to the soup. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.080 Welcome back to the Call Up, your go to podcast, 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.080 and the future starts in Major League Baseball. You got 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.760 arm Laden Elijah Evans, and we've got another batch of 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.559 trades to break down from the deadline prospect returns from 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.839 the blockbuster Adlie Rutchman return heading over of course, Adlie 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.560 to the Red Sox. You got plenty of prospects heading 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.680 over to the Orioles. We're gonna do some sneaky returns 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.400 like Ramon Marquez going to the Giants, Cash Mayfield going 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.280 to the Tigers, and on and on, an on. We 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.760 got a handful here that I'm excited to break down. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.600 Arm laiton Elijah Evans, second of a three parter. We'll 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.960 have Jack on the third part later this week. But Elijah, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.920 we've got another really fun batch of deals, some lower 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.920 level prospects, some upper level prospects, everything in between to 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.600 break down. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.319 Yeah, the craziest part about this is Part two in 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.480 three are all from literally the day of the deadline 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.480 on Monday, August third. It's pretty nuts even just this 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.119 group of trades that we're all on literally the day 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.479 of the deadline. It's pretty insane. We've got some Top 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.840 one hundred guys on this, We've got some up and 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.080 rock coming, you know, tuned to b Top one hundred guys, right, Like, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.960 this is a really really fun batch of some names 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.560 to talk about, and we have to start it off 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.240 with Dadley Rushman deal. As you kind of hit on 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.280 there from the top, like this was a surprising deal. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.320 I think that the possibility of Adley being traded started 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.480 to feel more real over the past couple of weeks, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.920 the way the Orioles are trending, how many teams wanted 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.720 to catch her. But not only does it feel like, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.520 you know that the Red Sex had to pay a 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.840 little bit of a division premium, but it also just 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.000 seems like the market for catchers led to a scenario 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.080 where Rushman was this this premium asset that ends up 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.839 being really the second biggest, you know, package that gets 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.680 moved aside from the Trek School trade, which we talked 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.000 about last time. So this deal was a trio of 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.160 prospects in addition to current catcher Carlos Narvaez, but it's 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.880 Anthony Iinsen, right handed pitcher Kysen Witherspoon, another right handed pitcher, 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.200 and an outfielder envia Zocar. Really inciting trio. Two recent 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.799 top draft picks and an international guy coming over from 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.400 Boston to Baltimore in this train for Adley Rushman. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.079 Yeah, I mean it's it's a really fun package here 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.839 to be able to bring in. I think if you're 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.760 an Oreos fan, it's it's frustrating because you don't want 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:45.080 to hear like like Adlie Ruchman represents. Also what was 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.440 frustrating and what was the disappointment of like the prospect 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.080 era right like this was the mega farm system that 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.320 they had headlined by Adlie Ruschman, and it hasn't really 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.400 turned into anything, you know, in terms of playoff wins 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.120 there that said, this is a full tear down. You 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.040 move the catcher in Adalie, you still have Samuel Ostio 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.239 and the hall that you get for a year and 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.400 a half of Adlie is extremely exciting, and you get 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.119 a guy that's a high floor arm in Anthony Iinson 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.600 to headline it where you know, I think Ironson I 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:16.600 think we skew. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.840 Slightly lower than the. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.600 Consensus, but like he's still comfortably the top one hundred 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.680 guy for us. I think there's there's some gap in 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.160 the fastball grades for him, and we've seen like in 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.680 shorter spurts, and early in the year he was Ironsen 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.919 was up to the upper nineties, but as we've seen 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.560 him more stretched out and then the longer starts. This 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.880 year he's more ninety three, ninety two to ninety four, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.520 you know, a whole grab a five. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.760 But it's a cut ride fastball. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.840 That you know, I think it just avoids barrels and 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.680 has some late action to it that picks up a 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.400 lot of weak contact pop ups, whatever it may be, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.040 and it's allowed it to be really effective this year. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.000 And then working off of that is a guy that 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.600 just clearly is as a supernat by nature, he cuts 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.560 everything and it works well. So the cut ride fastball 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.240 sets the tone, and then from that same slot you've 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.720 got a cutter, and then you've got a gyro slider, 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.200 and then you've got this downer curveball, and the tunneling 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.800 effect off of all of those pitches is very real, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.120 and as a result, the slider is decimated hitters. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.640 That's clearly been a plus pitch. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.200 The curveball, if he can land it more consistently, looks 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.160 like a well above average pitch, and the cutter has 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.640 been a well above average pitch. So he's so high floor. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.000 I think you feel really good about Iinson landing. Is 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.800 you know, at least a four starter, and he's a 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.440 great chance to land in the middle of a rotation. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.760 I think some you know have pushed him a little 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.680 bit higher. I think that's under the assumption that he's 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.880 throwing ninety five ninety six. He's not really doing that. 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.280 It's still a really good pitch mix and a high floor, 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.320 high probability starter. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.039 Would you have him, and you look at Iinsen in 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.839 this Oriel system, would you have him as their top 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.440 prospect at this point? I know it's one we got 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.840 to dive into. But like Joseph Zerbis had an incredible year. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.040 Obviously he will alloy like Irish those recent guys. Nate 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.880 George is a fun young name, but it does seem 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.520 like a lot of people are ready to say, like, oh, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.919 they did get their top prospect from this trade, and 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.919 it's not top maybe at least top three. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.320 I would I would say so, yeah, because just of 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.000 what he's doing already at double A and and you 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.400 know there's there's still I think, you know, room for 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.000 more improvement, like the splitter, like he's still finding but 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.200 it's flashed, and like you have that deep bag of 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.719 pitches and the success he's already having a double Like 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.440 Jure was a guy that I could see people getting 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.640 more and more excited about, and like he's already on 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.480 our top one hundred list, and like it's gonna be 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.480 fun to assess that, Like maybe Dure was a guy 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.000 that ends up climbing a little bit more than we expect. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.800 And I think you could kind of compare these guys similarly. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.479 But I think just off the cuff here ionson's probably 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.520 safely just to give the safe answer, like the top 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.279 prospects here, and even if you acquired your one A 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.920 or one B prospect, like that's a huge get when 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.440 it's not just him for a year and a half 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.200 of control here, right, And like I think the next 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.480 player that you look at, of course, the natural progression 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.320 would be to go talk about Kyson Wetherspoon, who was 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.520 the first round pick of the same draft class. At 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.960 Ironson was the third round pick in Isen's already lapped him. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.320 But I go to a Zocar and he is Okar's 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.600 probably he's the highest ceiling player in this in this package. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.040 You know the fact that he's an outfielder with plus 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.479 raw power already that at nineteen years old and in 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.880 a young nineteen he'll be nineteen for the entirety of 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.839 this season and into the start of next season, is 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.039 already flashing egs velos. He's of one hundred and thirteen 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.080 miles an hour. He's got up to high A already, and 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.440 he's holding his own We'll see. The jury's still kind 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:24.800 of out if he can stick in center, but he's 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.520 got plenty of times to try to prove that he can. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.200 But when you pair that kind of power with the 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.320 fact that he's actually producing and you have more challenging 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.280 levels and assignments, and he's turning in his own contact 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.560 rate to eighty two percent overall contact or to seven 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.560 seventy percent with the challenges that he's been like that 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:41.520 have been thrown his way. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.160 A Zocar, even if he moves to a corner with. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.479 The air poll ability, with the raw power that he 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.960 has with good enough bats to ball without how aggressively 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.479 he's been challenged, This guy could be an absolute monster. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.360 Obviously needs to clear a few more hurdles, but this 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.200 is a fun player to be adding in a deal 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.800 here where he's not even the headliner. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.400 Yeah, it's fascinating. The craziest thing about the MLB draft 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.240 is how we less than you know, a little over 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.159 a year ago. Guys, some Witherspoon's a five million dollars 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.200 first round signing and we're here talking about the guy 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.480 drafted two rounds later than him and an international signing 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.920 out of Venezuela as the first and second pieces with 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.080 him being the tertiary sort of right like, which is 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.160 pretty crazy to think about, like a zocar obviously like 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.320 the least known name, but it does seem like someone 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.160 that really could get some steam here, even some top 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.000 one hundred type of buzz as time goes on. Witherspoon, 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.680 where are you at with him in terms of like, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.600 hasn't been the best first pro season in High A. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.680 He's been you know, seventy five innings at a four 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.560 to seventy RA so far, but clearly someone that still 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.640 has the pedigree and intrigue where he was like it 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.280 wasn't like he was throwing, like he was still a 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.280 core part of this trio that goes over to Baltimore. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.200 Yeah, you know, I think it's a with a five 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.720 million dollar investment. I think it's telling in one respect 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.640 that the Red Sox are willing to move off of that. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.480 But in the other respect, I think it's also an 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.960 exciting player to be able to to pick up chain 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.840 of scenery and see what you can help kind of 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.600 iron out with him. Now, the Red Sox, you know, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.520 when they draft their arms, their hands on, but they 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.960 do a really good job and they help their guys maximize. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.520 And I think I don't think Witherspoon fit the kind 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.240 of ideology and I would say just infrastructure that they 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.720 have to be able to just get this guy where 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.160 they wanted him to be. Right, it's a stabby arm action, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.920 short arm action that they kind of wanted to work 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.960 with a little bit, and I think it really disrupted 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.320 his ability to throw strikes. And like I've seen some 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.680 pitches from Witherspoon this year where you know, like a 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.240 change up that just it goes fifty feet or forty 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:37.560 eight feet, and I just feel like. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.040 This guy's just gotten his head a little bit. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.679 Where you're a first round pick and you know kind 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.360 of the first thing that's happening with you is, hey, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:43.800 we got to clean up this arm action, we got 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.320 to change it, and it just didn't seem to work 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.960 well for him. The command backed up, the stuff backed 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.200 up a little bit. But this is still a really 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.880 good athlete on the mound, not even twenty two years 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.239 old yet sits in the mid nineties with his fastball, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.960 and the pitch shape are really intriguing, Like you've got 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.760 the cutter, the change up looks like an effective pitches 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.720 that's really come along, even with some of the frustration, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.720 Like yes, he spikes some, but the ones that he 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.559 throws in the zone and it's not like it's been 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.760 totally unusable to sixty percent strike rate. It's just there's 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.080 these random catastrophic misses that you're just like, Okay, something's 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.360 just not totally comfortable there for him. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.439 But that pitch looks like it's come along a lot. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.839 I think the cutter at eighty nine to ninety one 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.920 is really fascinating. And then you've got the gyro slider 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.880 and a downer curveball, and the big thing for him 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.959 is just finding consistency with all of the pitches outside. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.200 The cutter has been the most natural throw for him. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.520 That's been the highest strike rate. Everything else has just 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.040 not been there as consistently. Maybe the gyro slider as well, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.600 but that's the same throw essentially, So it's finding some 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.480 consistency with his arm timing, his arm action. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.120 I think a change of scenery will help. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.520 And this is still a guy that if it all 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.679 works out as middle rotation stuff, I think there's a 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.200 lot that still needs to be sorted out there. But 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.640 it's not like you're taking over after two fail seasons. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 It's you know, a half or two thirds of a 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.800 really rough season for Witherspoon where he's still gone. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.120 Out there and had competitive starts. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.160 And I still think there's a lot more that the 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.280 Oils are hoping to probably unlock and smooth out. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.880 Yeah, no, that makes sense. It seems like a really 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.360 strong haul. I mean, at the end of the day, Adlee, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.239 like he the timeline for this year is pretty ambiguous. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.319 It sounds like right, and then next year it's one 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.959 more year of control. So if you're Boston like that, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.200 that you gotta be ready to compete right now, and 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.120 they are, and they're clearly playing exceptional ball right now. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.800 They're kicking the crapit of the White Sox this week. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.360 But like they in general, like this is a move 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.760 of like a team that's like, hey, the Al's open, 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.559 Like let's go get it. Let's go get the AL 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.720 this year and hopefully next year, right because this is 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.040 a pretty bread you know, it's a pretty price to 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 pay for a year and a half, probably less than 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.480 a year and a half of Adley first place. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.360 In my mind, when was they better have at least 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.840 a shot at extending him, you know. And I'm not 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.560 saying it's a bad trade, Like I kind of I 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.440 appreciate Brezo not feeling like he has to win an 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.880 inter division trade here. I think that's I think that's 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.600 a good approach and maybe a little bit different than 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:04.920 what we've seen from him in the past. And like 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.240 it's it's i think, in invigorating to this team. And 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.080 I'm thinking about a guy like Adelie. I'm sure this 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.679 is what really real Brezio in Adli working with this 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.720 pitching staff and just having like there was like Narvaiez, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.760 like certain pitchers, I don't think wanted to work with it, 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.920 like just having everyone's gonna want to work with Adaie 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.600 and and I think that's gonna help a lot. You 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.760 think about his bat at Fenway, there's a lot of 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.640 things to like. But man, the Orioles are feeling pretty 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.920 good about what they got there. They their their farm 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.640 system improved as much as any you know, besides maybe 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.680 the Giants, and I think they didn't have to do 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:37.720 that without tearing it down. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:39.160 Yeah, that's a. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.640 Good point for sure. Going over to our next trade, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.160 we got the Luisa Riise trade or should I say 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.840 the Ramone Marquez trade importantly for the call up here, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:52.199 but Luisa Rise and Caleb Killian going over to the Phillies, Phillies, 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.880 you know, phill a contact back they very much needed 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.199 in addition to a solid bullpen arm with Ramone Marquez 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.760 and Marty Gare. Going back over to the Giants, the 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.600 Giants team that definitely improved their farm system in many 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.679 different ways and three different trades in both the Giants 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.199 that we're gonna talk about today. So we'll get to 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.800 the Giants side plenty overall, But like initial thoughts on 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.800 Remo Marquez, someone we've talked about a lot like this 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.880 is a guy. This is a guy we're very much watching. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:16.720 The eye has been on him in the past couple 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.600 of months, and now he goes over to the Giants 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.880 as the headliner for at the end of the day 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.600 a Rental and Luisa rise And I think maybe the 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.319 controllable reliever with Killian is part of what gets them 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.280 a Marquez here. But Marquez is a huge gad here 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:27.880 for San Francisco. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:28.560 Yeah. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.600 Look, I wasn't in the war room, but I have 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:35.800 a strong guess that Marquez was the ask and for 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.719 Arias and today we can't do that for Rental and 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.960 they just trying and trying and trying and not gonna happen, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.880 not gonna happen. Well, what if we include you know, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.080 what else do we need to include? What if we 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.120 include Caleb Killian, who you know I always bounced around 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.560 a little bit, but he's not worthless in this deal. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.840 And I think Killian is the reason why finally, you know, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.640 Philly said, all you know, we'll send you Marquez because 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.720 at least now we're getting a guy with five years 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.640 of control that can help our bullpen. And who knows 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.240 can kind of be used in a swingman role, whatever 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.719 that may be. And and Killian has taken a big 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.960 step forward this year. He's pitched it leverage for the Giants, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.319 and you've got five years to work with after this one. 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.760 I really think that the Giants like, why would the 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.200 Giants want to trade Caleb Killian. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.160 It's not a guy that you're just jumping. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.800 Out of your seat to move right like they're looking 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.200 to move rentals and guys that aren't a big or 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.080 super expensive players. Killian is not the kind of guy 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.719 that a rebuilding team moves. But I think that's how 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.720 badly they wanted Ramone Marquez, because Ramone Marquez, who's been 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.120 one of the breakouts of breakouts this year, you know 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:47.200 in the Phillies organization. It's just such an easy pitch 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.079 like mix at this point, even though it's three offerings 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.200 for the most part, to say that's gonna work in 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.280 the big leaks. Now to what capacity that's gonna be 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.400 execution dependent, It's gonna be a little bit of like 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.760 maybe he can find a fourth pitch, maybe the fastball 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.880 shape can improve a little bit. But this is the 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.679 best change up I think in the minor leagues. I'll 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.040 have to look around. I don't know if there's a 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.400 better one. Some crazy numbers for you on Ramo Marcus 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.440 and before before I mentioned the change up and get 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.640 into it, like fastball being up a tick and change 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.480 is really helping an already elite change up now play 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.200 up even more. Fastball is averaging ninety five point two 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.160 miles per hour for Marquez, the change up is thirteen 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.080 miles per hour separated from it an eighty two miles 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.240 per hour on average, and it's getting about twelve less 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.800 inches of vert so you get twelve inches of vertical 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.840 separation and then seventeen inches of arm side fade to it. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.760 Opponents are hitting against this pitch this year, oh ninety 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.160 with a one to twelve slug against that change up. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.280 That's not even the craziest dat. The craziest dat on 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.080 Ramone Marquet. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:48.880 I had to check this. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.400 I reached out to several other people to make sure 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:56.320 that I had this right. Sixty seven percent with rate 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.360 on the change up for Ramone Marques espicially throws thirty 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.200 seven percent the time. To put that in perspective, to 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.760 flip it, that means hitters when they're up the plate 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:06.680 at the plate and they see a change up thrown 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.400 to them, are making contact with it thirty three percent 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:09.920 of the time. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.240 I mean, is that an eighty grade change up for Marquez? 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.280 I really am not sure if there's another one. If 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.280 you try to look around minor league baseball, and when 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.880 you hear those numbers. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.720 It's hard because then what would an eighty grade changeup book? Like, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.840 no one ever touches it ever, so it's like, yeah, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.920 I mean from a when you watch it too, and 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.760 just how difficult it is to pick up out of 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.440 the hand that the late fade and just kind of 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:33.960 the bugs bunny to it. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.920 Like if I think, if he's putting up similar. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.800 Numbers a double A, that that's gotta be in the 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.160 conversation of a legit eighty grade change up. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.480 And that's what makes him. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.680 So so special here is like if you're seeing hitters 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:51.960 have similar reactions and just big misses at the upper levels, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.280 it's going to be hard to argue against that being 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.840 a potentially eighty grade pitch, And it's like he can 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.040 manipulate it. And I think that's what really when I 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.160 see pitches like that are like adaptable, where you can 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.360 you know, kind of make it more screwballie, it's seventy eight, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.240 seventy nine or a little bit more of a traditional 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.840 change up with a harder fade at eighty two eighty three. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.400 That's where I'm like, Okay, this is a really unique 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.000 pitch that's gonna almost have multiple proanngs to it, and 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.680 that makes it easier to maybe look at an eighty 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.760 grade pitch in that regard. And then the other aspect 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.360 is like, he's not just like a fastball change up 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.000 guy because he's throwing harder now. His gyro slider has 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.400 improved drastically, and that's given him a really good third 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.160 pitch in the upper eighties that has generated plenty of 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.240 with and it's strike throwing, dude. It's a sixty six 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.880 percent strike right across the entire arsenal. So when you 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.280 look at it from that perspective, it's it's really easy 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.040 to buy in on what Marquez is selling. And you 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.040 look at this giant system, bro, like it's so improved 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:49.760 where you. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:50.080 Have the. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.600 Up like high upside bats that you're so excited about 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.840 with Josuar and Lose Hernandez. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.360 And then of course even you know with. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.560 What you've got with some of the guys that have 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.520 kind of stuck their way to the upper levels and 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.959 a bo Davidson all of a sudden, Dakota Jordan's interesting 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:07.720 and you just graduated Eldridge, But like. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.080 Then, what did they need pitching? 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.760 They go and they get and I'm not eventioned Johnny Level, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.120 another fun lower level guy, and they get Jackson Floor 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.320 out of the draft, and then they adramal Marquez. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.960 He also got two other high upside arms out of 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:19.280 the draft. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.760 Is a couple of yuys we're going to talk about. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.720 So then today too as well in in the. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.439 Trades exactly, and they made a lot more trades. This 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.199 system is cooking, and I think it's one of the 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.919 more fun all of a sudden in baseball. It's been 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.400 a nightmare season on all fronts at the big league 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.399 level for the Giants. But at least you have something 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.640 to salvage there. Quick shout on Marty Gare twenty three 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.280 years old. I do think this guy is going to 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.520 land in the big league bullpen, you know, and to 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.320 get him as like a throw in here is not bad, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.400