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Speaker 1: for and or episodes eight nine, plus The Wonderful Tales

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the x ray Vision the Crooked Podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dived dee been to your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: In the previously on, we will be discussing in theaters

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's get into it. We're stepping

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Speaker 1: Who meets Yaddle in the gardens. This is some time later,

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Speaker 1: and he's talking about how he used to bring his

428
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Speaker 1: apprentice Kui gon Jin here to see the tree, because

429
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Jin was a city kid from Coroissant, and I've never

430
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: seen a tree this size. And we understand now that

431
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: Jin is dead. He lost his life, of course, at

432
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Speaker 1: the hands of Darth Maul. Yaddle trails Duku across Coroissant

433
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: because she's kind of suspicious at the way that Duku

434
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Speaker 1: has been acting lately, and she trails him to an

435
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: industrial rundown section of Coroissant and she sees him meeting

436
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: with a hooded figure. We know this is Palpatine. We

437
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: hear them arguing Douku believes the Senator has gone too

438
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: far to whatever his schemes have been. Surely Duku agreed

439
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: with them in principle, but he never imagined that someone

440
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: so close to him, Kui gon Jin, is a Prentence,

441
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: who he clearly had very very deep feelings for, which

442
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: is like such a such a melancholic sad wrinkle to

443
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Speaker 1: all of this is the effect of Qui gon Jin's

444
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Speaker 1: death on Douku.

445
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also as well that links back to this,

446
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: this kind of symbiotic, codependent, abusive in some ways because

447
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: of the systematmatic nature of the Jedi, the kind of

448
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: these unbelievably intense relationships that these people get into, and

449
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: then when somebody is killed, where is the support for that?

450
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: What is the fallout from that? And we get to

451
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: really see that here, Like we knew the canon of

452
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: who you know, Qui gon Jin's master had been, but

453
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: like this is a moment of getting to see him

454
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: in all his humanity and feeling the loss rather than

455
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: just as Jason said earlier, like a big, big bad

456
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's.

457
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: A much warmer relationship than I think we that anybody expected. Yeah,

458
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: it just from Douku's rea. Absolutely, And it's so malevolent

459
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: and perverse the way Palpatine uses that pain to draw

460
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: Duku deeper in so Yaddle confronts them and she says, listen, Duku,

461
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: whatever has gone on to this point, join me now,

462
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: we can deal with all of that later. Join me. Now,

463
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: let's stop Palpatine. Palpatine meanwhile says, listen, you want to

464
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: the senator is corrupt. We know that, Like that's a truth.

465
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: You are never going to cleanse the corruption of the

466
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: republic with Yaddle who is and the rest of the

467
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Jedi who are just here to protect the status quo,

468
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: stay true to me, and together we will bring down

469
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Speaker 1: the corrupt Senate. There's a fight. Douku seemingly crushes Yaddle

470
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: with this huge, like metal bayed door. Palpatine fucking loves it.

471
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: He's like, this is great, You've proved you're loyal to me.

472
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: But of course Yadol is alive. She managed to stop

473
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Speaker 1: the door. Just bone chilling, incredible moment.

474
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: It's a brilliant moment, and you're just like, oh my god,

475
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: this is it. This is the Yoda moment, this is

476
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: the comeback, this is the force. But sadly, as we

477
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: know both you know Yaddo and Douku's face that we've

478
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: kind of gleaned, we know that that's not going to

479
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: last for long. But it's such a great moment when

480
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: she pushes up the door with the.

481
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: Force, but the exertion leaves her very vulnerable and weak. Douku,

482
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, Palpatine is like, you have to finish the job.

483
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: That's how I'll know you're loyal to me, and then

484
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: we can bring down the Republic together. And Duku says,

485
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the thing that is motivating him, I only want to

486
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: bring peace and order to the galaxy.

487
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: Always ends badly, that wish.

488
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it always does, you know, to his in fairness

489
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: to him, he sees quite clearly how the bureaucracy and

490
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: corruption of the Senate is really is working against justice.

491
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: That that said, this is not the way to do it.

492
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: But of course do Youku's too far gone now he

493
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: strikes down Yaddle.

494
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: That's the moment. That's the moment that you are committed

495
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: to the dark side. There's no killing, I know. And

496
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: the thing I find so heartbreaking is like they do

497
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: such a good job here where you really get to

498
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: see that Yaddle is morally aligned with Dooku in some

499
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: ways and you don't make Yeah. She's like, she's like,

500
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: it's true, this sucks, and also she's like, I love this.

501
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: This is one of the moments I found strongest where

502
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: she said it doesn't matter what you've done in the past,

503
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: if you make the right choice, now do it now.

504
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: That is all that matters, is that you make the

505
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: right choice. You come with me and we make this right.

506
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: That is so you want him to take that option

507
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 2: so badly, and you just yet you know it's not

508
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: going to happen.

509
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I found myself wondering had Jinn lived, would Douku have

510
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: gone off right down?

511
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what this episode wants us.

512
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: Right to really understand that that was the that that's

513
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: the final That was the final thing that drew him

514
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: even deeper, even though perversely it was Palpatine that caused

515
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: that to happen. Episode five Love this episode Practice makes

516
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: perfect Clone Wars Raging Jedi Anakin Skywalker arrives late to

517
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: watch his apprentice Ahsokatano go through some white saber training. Kenobi,

518
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: window and Yoda are there. Yaddle is nowhere to be

519
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: seen because she's dead, and you have to wonder, was

520
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: anybody ever like, where the fuck is Yaddle? I know

521
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: what happened?

522
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: Is it? Like? Is the Yoda are the Yoda species?

523
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Is that tendency to just like breeze off and go

524
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: and live in a swamp.

525
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: So everyone's just like, yeah, maybe it's just traveling, because

526
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: I would love to know what the reaction to yaddle

527
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: just being gone. Yeah, now, like nobody ever asked. We

528
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: watch Ahsoka go through this training with various training droids

529
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: inside of a laser sphere that is steadily shrinking, and

530
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: it is quite clear that she's eminently skilled. But Sky

531
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Guy doesn't like the test. He thinks, you know, droids,

532
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: they're predictable, like, they're not like living opponents who are random,

533
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: who attack in ways that you can never expect. You

534
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: need a real test, So he takes her to a

535
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: hangar somewhere on Coruscant and puts her up against Clone

536
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: troopers led by Rex, in which they surround her and

537
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: shoot stun bolts at her again and again and again

538
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: and again. She's getting hit by these bolts and passing

539
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: out for an hour, for another hour, again, again, again,

540
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: and over time, Ahsoka gets better, she gets more immune

541
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Speaker 1: to the stun bolts. She's getting faster. She can go

542
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: minutes and minutes without getting hit, but she still does

543
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: get hit. And after this we see Rex and Ahsoka.

544
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: After Ahsoka has taken the chip out of Rex. It's

545
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the night of Order sixty six, and we understand all

546
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: that has led up to this moment that allows Ahsoka

547
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: to survive Order sixty six with all these blaster bolts

548
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: coming at her like. So, the concept of a Mary

549
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: Sue is something that has been talked about, specifically with

550
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Star Wars. It is just for the people who don't

551
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: know what mary Sue is. Mary Sue is a genre

552
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: of criticism that is essentially misogynist, yes, okay, but it

553
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: is couched in these kind of academic terms, which says

554
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: that basically that the power levels of a female protagonist

555
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: are unearned, and they're unearned, and they're often unearned, not

556
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: just in Star Wars but in other stories, and they're

557
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: often unearned because we as a culture are cowtowing to

558
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: these like kind of like woke woke elites.

559
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah.

560
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

561
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: So basically, the simplest way to explain it, this is

562
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: what I always say, is like, think about the chosen

563
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: one trope Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, and then if the

564
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: chosen one is a woman in any story or someone

565
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: who's not assists and male, they say they're a Mary Suit.

566
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: It's that simple, because guess what, Luke debbitch wasn't doing nothing.

567
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: He show him you're nothing.

568
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: He didn't have no te trained for three days. His

569
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: master died rather than just tell him the truth, like

570
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: zero Harry Potter, he's just living in a bait. He's

571
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: living under some stairs. He'd never been trained. But yeah,

572
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: but I love that obviously. I think Aska is a

573
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: great example of Dave Filoni. You know, people did critique her,

574
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: but like, she's always been a great character with a

575
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: lot of depth. But this is a really nice space

576
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: of like.

577
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Here you want to talk about you want to know

578
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: why such a bad and not just that he is

579
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: here is.

580
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: Why also not just that this was one of the

581
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: that's where I saw quite a few people being like

582
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: this one's quite routine, like it's just her training, and

583
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: I was thinking.

584
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Like, to me, completely disabled.

585
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: To me, this is like so this is actually incredibly

586
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: deep because what they're really saying is not only is

587
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: this why she's a badass, but also like here is

588
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: the love that Anakin had for her, even though he

589
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: became Darth Vader. He made this one choice that seems

590
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: like a simple, offhanded, almost egotistical choice because Anakin's like,

591
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: I know better than how the Jedi do than how

592
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: to train you.

593
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: Almost like two hardcore. Yeah, there's points where you want

594
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: to be like Anakin enough.

595
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: You can see the man who's going to become Darth

596
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: Vader inside the ego and the Nazism. But it is

597
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 2: this choice, and it is this obvious training that Ahsaka

598
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: clearly kept up over the years that then led to

599
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: being able to evade capture on Order sixty six, not

600
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: just because of the training, but because of the relationship

601
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: that she created. That is so powerful and such a

602
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: good idea.

603
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I agree, And also like it hit me emotionally so hard, right,

604
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, because it's just like it just draws a

605
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: line through her training, yeah, and her journ relationship with Anakin,

606
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: and the fact that that is listen, it's her ability,

607
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: her skill, but a lot of that is because of

608
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: what she learned from Anakin.

609
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: That being the reason that she survives is amazing.

611
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. And also, let's just say we talk

612
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: about this a lot when we talk about Star Wars,

613
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: and we're always like cracking jokes and ragging on them. Yeah,

614
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: but like all to sixty six they were pretty bad

615
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: at it, and like there's a lot of people where

616
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: it just turns out, oh, that Jedi survived, that Jedi

617
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: s vibe. This is one of the few examples where

618
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: we actually really know why, Like we now know how

619
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: Ahsoka survived, the relationships that made that possible, the skills

620
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: that she learned to do it. It's it's very cool,

621
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: and I think, like, I like the episode anyway because

622
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: I like anything to do with Anakin in Ahsoka. I

623
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: think that's such a great and it's an addition to

624
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: Anakin's cannon. But that final push forward to order sixty six,

625
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: that really just clinches it.

626
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: There's another layer to it too that I found myself

627
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: thinking about, which is, you know, because you're watching this

628
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: and you're like, Anakin, stop enough, She's she's passing out

629
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: for an hour at a time, like into it. Yeah,

630
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: you're just gonna throw back into it. But a part

631
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: of me wonders if some piece of Anakin, as he's

632
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: being seduced by the dark Side, understands that, oh, I

633
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: love so that's going to have to face something that

634
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: that no one understands is coming.

635
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: That makes so much sense. He can sense it somewhere

636
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: in his heart, he knows, he feels it. He can

637
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: feel that something. He doesn't know if it's Ordered sixty six,

638
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: but he knows that Ahsoka will have to fight something.

639
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh that's so good? Is that something I enjoyed? That

640
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: is such a good read?

641
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: Because why, you know, like why else? And why just her?

642
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Why not any like why not say, Hey, shouldn't we

643
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: do this for everybody?

644
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go grab the trainees blah blah blah

645
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: blah blah.

646
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: And it's both generous and selfish, you know, it's like

647
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: the signs of anakin at once. He wants this person

648
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: that he loves and he cares about to have the

649
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: utmost tools and skills to survive this threat that maybe

650
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: he only darkly imagines coming. But also it's that selfishness too,

651
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: because he doesn't he's only sharing it with her. Yeah.

652
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: Episode six Resolve, we're on Naboo after the fall of

653
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: the Republic that we're watching the funeral of Princess Amidala

654
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: bail Organa. In the watching the funeral procession, go Bye

655
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: catches a glimpse of a hooded figure. It's Ahsoka Tano.

656
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: He catches up to her somewhere in the city and

657
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: he tells her, you shouldn't have come here and there's

658
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: nothing you could do. Ahsoka just she took the risk

659
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: because she wanted to pay respects to her friend. Bail

660
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: gives Ahsoka a communicator and he says, listen, if you

661
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: ever want to get back into it, you need me.

662
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Do you want to get into the fight, call me.

663
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: She says, like, that's it. I'm done fighting. My heart

664
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: is broken. Everyone I know is dead, my master is dead.

665
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: Everyone's gone. She slips away from the city and then

666
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: out into space in a y wing piloted by Rex,

667
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: and then we go to a farm on some planet somewhere.

668
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: It's maybe years later, we don't know. Ahsoka is living

669
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: an anonymous life amongst the field hands there, and then

670
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: one day she uses her powers to save a girl's life.

671
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: That girl invites Ahsoka over to eat with her and

672
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: her fellow workers. The workers are arguing about politics, and

673
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: we see that the rise of the empire and its

674
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: power is very very It is a contentious subject out here,

675
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: some saying, well, the empire it's better, right, you know,

676
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: it's less chaotic, we you know, like, while others are saying, yeah,

677
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: but what have we lost?

678
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

679
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: The neck is the on the neck, the girl lets

680
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: Ahsoka know that she knows that she used the Force

681
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: to save her life, and Ahsoka is concerned because she's thinking,

682
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe I have to run again. She and the girl

683
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: go on a delivery run and when they come back,

684
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: they find the farm in flames. Uh Ahsoka has been betrayed.

685
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: One of the kid who is like, I love the empire,

686
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: It's great, everything's worth stable now has ratted them out,

687
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: understood that Ahsoka was a Jedi and called the Inquisitor Force.

688
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: A hooded inquisitor is there is about to murder Ahsoka's

689
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: betrayer for essentially like he thinks, calling it a false alarm.

690
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: But Ahsoka arrives, saves a day, easily cuts down the

691
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: Inquisitors because of course it does not serve palatine for

692
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: these people to be that trained or that powerful. She

693
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: takes care of them easily, and the next day bail

694
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Organa arrives to take the survivors away, and there's like

695
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: this chilling oh I just had goosebumps where he's like

696
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: you kept the communicator. She's like yes, and he's like

697
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: are you Does that mean you're ready to get back

698
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: in the fight, And then she thinks about it for

699
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: a very very long time and then nods very quietly

700
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: she's back in it, and it was just like ooh. Also,

701
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the scene where she is facing down the inquisitor against

702
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: the flames of the farm is It's just absolutely incredible

703
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: and like all of this we should add as a

704
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: setup to the Ahsoka series is perfect. Loved it, loved.

705
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I loved every episode. This was great.

706
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. And I think there's been like

707
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: a lot of I'm not sure if this is or not,

708
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: but like I'm not sure if it's been confirmed, but

709
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: the character that she faces down with this story is

710
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: is is like based on I. K. Johnson's amazing Ahsoca book.

711
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of like loosely adapted it. And the character

712
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: is you know, credited as an inquisitor, but it's like,

713
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: is it the sixth brother who was in there? Who's

714
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: in the Star Wars comics because they don't say his name,

715
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, Disney doesn't tend to credit unless they say

716
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: the name. So it's really fun to see them building

717
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: in more of this non legends canon book stuff, which

718
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: we know has shaped so much of this, and I

719
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: think it's really cool to see something like a Soca,

720
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: which a lot of fans might not have read, becoming

721
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: canon into this world. It's kind of the Harlequin thing, right,

722
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: introduced in the introduced in animation, becomes part of the comics,

723
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: then becomes a huge fan favorite in the movies. This

724
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: is like that where it's like Ahsoka is introduced in animation,

725
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: the book comes out, Ahsoka is now using that law

726
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: in the world of the animation where she was introduced.

727
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: It's really fun stuff. So yeah, this was just really good.

728
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: And I mean, Ahsoka is Dave Feloni's baby and he

729
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: loves her. But she is also like probably one of

730
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: the most popular Star Wars characters of all time at

731
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: this point, so it's really nice to see them embrace

732
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: that and expand on it here in a kind of

733
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: unexpected way. And this obviously feels very timely, knowing that

734
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: we're going to get a live action Ahsoka, you know,

735
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 2: so let us know more about her and learn more

736
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: in this space.

737
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: Up next and or and or episodes eight and nine,

738
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Narkina five, and Nobody's Listening, respectively. This show continues to

739
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: be wow, wow, wow of the best Star Wars ever,

740
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Blowing me away, Blowing me away, and again the most

741
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: radical maybe Star Wars ever since the first one, and

742
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: certainly is incredibly timely. Is it incredibly unbelievably timely Star Wars? Okay,

743
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: so quickly? On episode eight Narkina five, written by Bo

744
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: Willemon directed by Toby Haynes, Cassian, after his arrest, finds

745
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: himself on an Imperial prison labor colony called Narkina five,

746
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: where he and the rest of his fellow prisoners are

747
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: forced to compete in assembling machinery for the Empire. You know,

748
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: these gangs of prisoner men are pitted against each other

749
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: to see who can get the highest score, and you know,

750
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: highest score continues to be in prison. Congratulations. The lowest

751
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: score gets microwaved in your cells. Sorry about it.

752
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will get fried at the end of every

753
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: day until you can no longer work. And hey, if

754
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: you're number one, you get some flavor in your food slash.

755
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 2: It's incredibly depressing, but also incredibly.

756
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: Realistic, incredibly realistic. We meet kein O Loy, the floor manager,

757
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: who is a fellow prisoner who is basically the prisoner

758
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: that has been put in charge of the other prisoners

759
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: in order to keep this train running. It's very clear

760
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: that the Empire they've got a vast war machine that

761
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: they are spinning up, but they also don't want to

762
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: spend that much money on now that facturing or even overseeing.

763
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: They you know, put other prisoners in charge of the

764
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: other prisoners, and then as soon as we get more

765
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: you can just microwave these It's quite obvious from this

766
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: why and or was so easily like, like why he

767
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: was arrested in the first place. Yes, because they're just

768
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: arresting people. They need to work force.

769
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: And the way that the prison runs is very interesting,

770
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: which is there are not very many The gods do

771
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: not have weapons in the same way they do not

772
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: have troopers. They do not What they have is an

773
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: electrified floor that they can electrify at any time, and

774
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: all the prisoners walk around in their bare feet, and

775
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: it is incredibly brutal. And essentially we learn through this

776
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: episode in the next episode that the Empire is creating

777
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: a castle industrial complex in order to build for the

778
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: military and potentially for private companies, which is exactly what

779
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: is going on in America. It's it's absolutely devastating, and

780
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: it is so well done.

781
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: It's incredibly well done. Bix is attempting to contact Luthen

782
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: via radio, but Luthen is not answering because he's you know,

783
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: he's raised his security level ever since the raid, and

784
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: he's scared that his transmissions are being monitored. Guess what

785
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: they are. Meanwhile, he has gone to meet an old compatrion,

786
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: our friend, our friend, Sagareras. It's a subj.

787
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Still one of the most sensible people in the hole

788
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: of the galaxy. He is proving it once again here

789
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: that he knows is up.

790
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Arguably the first leader to really understand what the empire

791
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: was about, we before anybody else really understood it, to

792
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: the point that everybody else around him who would eventually

793
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: come along to his kind of thinking, were like, you're

794
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: you're too radical, You're too extreme.

795
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: And also he say, I'm not putting my men at risk.

796
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to join up with your little rebellion.

797
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: I don't know who they are, I don't know your

798
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: little friend or what he's up to, and I'm not

799
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: going to put my people at risk. And he's absolutely right,

800
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: and that is almost instantaneously proven. I love to see

801
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: Saul getting his Jews here and to see Forrest back

802
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: in this row, which he just absolutely smashes.

803
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: Sagerera declines Luthan's offer of a meeting with another rebel contact.

804
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Another rebel leader, saw as like, I don't to Rosie's point,

805
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't know who that guy is. I don't know

806
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: what kind of mission you're proposing. That guy, by the way,

807
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: who you're mentioning to me, was a separatist during the

808
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: Clone Wars, So like, basically, like, why am I gonna

809
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: lie with someone who is a proto fascist anyway? Like,

810
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't trust him period, and I'm not putting my

811
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: people at risk, So go fuck yourself. Vellencinta go to

812
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: Feryx to find out what's where is Cassian. They feel

813
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: like that's the loose end that is dangling out there.

814
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Everybody's very worried about their own personal safety, the security

815
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: and the security of the rebel network. They have to

816
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: find Cassian to button that up. But of course, Cassian,

817
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to anyone, has been you know, swallowed whole by

818
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: the Imperial machine. On Narkina five, Miro Deirdremiro questions Cyril

819
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: Karn about Feryx, but doesn't want to get involved with

820
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: him any further than that. He is, of course, very

821
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: very eager to help. We'll talk more about that after

822
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: the events of episode nine. And then Miro leeds a

823
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: task force to Pheriks self where she apprehends Bis and

824
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: other people who knew Cassian and.

825
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: Kind of and we see that she is a she

826
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 2: this is you know, I'll take this. There's we were rights,

827
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: there we were wrongs. I had wondered whether her deep

828
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: interest in the understanding of what was going on with

829
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: the rebels was a signal that she was perhaps aligned

830
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: with them or interested. No, we see that she is

831
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: a nightmarish fascist who loves to torture, who loves to maim,

832
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: who loves to cause pain, and who is now because

833
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: of the uselessness of most of the rest of the Empire,

834
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: being given a free reign to do that. It is

835
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: really hard to watch stuff, and she is just a

836
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Speaker 2: n idea harder. Yeah.

837
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Speaker 1: In episode nine Nobody's Listening, written by bo Willhelman, directed

838
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: by Toby Haynes, so isb supervisor. Deirdremiro has Bix in

839
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: her grip and she wants Bix's cooperation. She will obviously

840
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: torture her to get it. She wants to uncover the

841
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: rebel network. She wants you know, names. She knows quite

842
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: a bit right up to whoever Bix's buyer is, and

843
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: she has quite a lot of information from Solomon Pock,

844
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: one of Bix's fellow townspeople, who clearly Deirdre has tortured

845
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: to get information from. So she knows that Bix has

846
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: met with her buyer, who is Luthen, at least six times,

847
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: and so she wants details. She wants to know who

848
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: bought the stolen Imperial equipment, where did they get it,

849
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: where did it go, dates, names, et cetera. Bix says,

850
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I met with this guy.

851
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I would you know? It's all anonymous. I don't know.

852
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: She tries to kind of play him off. Deirdre does

853
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: not believe any of this, and of course Bix notes, well,

854
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe anything I say, right, And Deirre's like, no,

855
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: you're you're absolute right. Meet my torture doctor Gorst. We

856
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: go to the prison factory. On Narcina five, Cassian continues

857
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 1: to toil with his jail compatriots on the production line.

858
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: In this endless competition, Ula the oldest member of the team.

859
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: It will be out after forty one shifts right, but

860
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: he's also fading. He's the oldest, He's not in good health.

861
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: He might be senile. It seems like doing the work

862
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: is giving him some kind of arthritis. He's struggling to

863
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: use his hands. It is the first hint of the

864
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: truth of this prison system, which is just like the

865
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: real prison system in America. You're not supposed to leave,

866
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: especially not if you are in a labor camp. You

867
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: are You are not supposed to leave.

868
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: You are there.

869
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: You are worthless body. The title of this week's episode,

870
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: Nobody's Listening, is something that Andor realizes as he goes on.

871
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: Cassian kind of rearranges the work that they're doing to

872
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: kind of pick up the slack for Ulaf, and then

873
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: gives the credit for that rear organization to another of

874
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: his stay.

875
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: And he thinks that he is He thinks he's dropping

876
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: him in it and getting him in trouble, but Andor

877
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: knows it's actually gonna look good for this other guy.

878
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: Great little moment.

879
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: We learned from doctor Gorse that the method of torture,

880
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: which the Empire is incredibly excited about, is the most

881
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: perverse and diabolically evil thing that you can imagine. It

882
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: is the weaponized death cries of an alien species from

883
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: dison Frey, recorded mid massacre by the colonial imperial forces,

884
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: and the sounds are known to have a powerful mind

885
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: breaking effect, especially the babies. That's the thing. These recordings

886
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: that they have lightly layered and edited and looped are

887
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: specifically the cries of the Dysonite children who are now extinct,

888
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: and they doctor Gors puts the headphones on Bix's head

889
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and presses play. It's horrific. It just one of the

890
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: most chilling things that's ever happened in Star Wars period point.

891
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: It's and also like again, we're going to keep going

892
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: back to this, because this is what makes this series

893
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: feel so radical. This is taking the notion and the

894
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: nature of what the original Star Wars was about, which

895
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: is kind of imagining, you know, telling the story of

896
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: the people in the Vietcong going up against this imperial force,

897
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: but imagining they were American. Well, guess what America is

898
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: incredibly well known for. That is torturing people that they

899
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: want to get information out of, and torturing prisoners, people

900
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: that they've imprisoned without any due process. Also shouldn't be

901
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: torturing anyone. But like this is again another thing Tony

902
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: Gore is not afraid to say, Yeah, this is you know,

903
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: the thing we're supposed to think of here immediately, And

904
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: it's very evocative with especially with the doctor is Nazi

905
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: Germany and the experiments that they did, and that is

906
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: the way our mind is supposed to go. But this

907
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: is also talking about America and the country that we

908
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: live in and the things that all governments do when

909
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: they want to find things out, when the way that

910
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: they will treat people and dismiss people and destroy people,

911
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: and the way they do it the headphones where we

912
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: can't hear the sound but you can see bicks reacting

913
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: to it is so effective.

914
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's about complicity, I think, And or it's about

915
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: is it possible? Because surely, right there are people within

916
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: the imperial system right that don't actively work in any

917
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of like weapons procurement or or the industrial prison

918
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: complex or the torture complex. They are just there, you

919
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: know whatever, trading natural resources or working in uh, you know,

920
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 1: in in cleaning the various facilities or something like that.

921
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: The question and or asks, is is it possible to

922
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: be to have clean hands? If you are associated with,

923
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: or working for, or helping in any way to support

924
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: a regime that will do this.

925
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also really interesting because you know, Saul

926
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: Superridges are Saul just put into the chat like talking

927
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: about you know, are these the people who built the

928
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: Death Star? And so that leans into this other really

929
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: interesting question which has been a conversation, you know, but

930
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: for fans since the first Star Wars came out. But

931
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: also like you know, it's a joking clerks or whatever,

932
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: which is like when the rebels blew up the Death Star,

933
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: how many like innocent in quotes people died who that

934
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: was just their day job. Well, now there's an even

935
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: more tragic bent to it, which was how many people

936
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: who were working there actually didn't have a choice.

937
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: At all, slave labor, who labor who were.

938
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: Kidnapped like we know happened, you know, with the first

939
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: order to make their stormtroopers.

940
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: It. Yeah, it's so sad and absolutely tragedy. Yeah. Back

941
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: on our Cana five, we understand that Cassian has been

942
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: steadily preparing some form of escape, Like he goes to

943
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: the bathroom during a shift and then takes like three

944
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: saws at some kind of pipe, you know, and I

945
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: guess the hope is that over weeks and months that

946
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: eventually this will go somewhere. Meanwhile, the imperial guns come

947
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: down Cassian and another and may take note of one

948
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: how many they are and what they're wearing, uh, and

949
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: what this means about what surfaces is inside the facility

950
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: are deadly in what aren't And Cassian kind of decides

951
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: our best chance is we strike when they're coming down here,

952
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: we strike when they're here. Meanwhile, Bix is absolutely broken,

953
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: and it's unclear how much longer she can resist giving

954
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: up Cassian and the information about him. We go to Corrusant,

955
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: where mon Mathma is speaking out against the Empire's New

956
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: Public Order legislation in the Senate, but things are simply

957
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: far too gone. She's shouted down by the rest of

958
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: the senators corrupt, but like they are done, it's done well.

959
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: He mean, here's the thing, you know, like everybody but

960
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: wants to be on a winning side, you know what

961
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean? Ain't that the truth? So it's like if

962
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: not making any excuses for people who throw in with fascism, imperialism, etc. Authoritarianism.

963
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it's like an easy decision

964
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: to be We'll give up my entire life and go

965
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: on the run, I guess to the outer rim. At

966
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you could see the formulation where people

967
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: are like, well, fuck, it's who is confronting this, who's

968
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: fighting this? What force can possibly overthrow this? It's either

969
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: get with the program or get dead. And so everybody

970
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: has made their decisions. The Senate is completely whatever it was,

971
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: the imperfect thing that it was during the Clone Wars,

972
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: during the Republic era, it's gone. And man Mathma is

973
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: just in despair about it. As she gets in her

974
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: car to leave and her driver tells her, oh, I've

975
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: been told to tell you your cousin is back in town.

976
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: She's waiting for you at the embassy. We know that

977
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: her cousin is going to be vel back on our

978
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: Cana five. Rumors are spreading. Apparently something has happened down

979
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: on level two. What happened is kind of unclear. Keno

980
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Law is like, everybody, shut the fuck up, just get

981
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: on task. Okay, Yeah, he's close to being let out.

982
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: He has That's how they manipulate him. It's this idea

983
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: of turning almost like turning snitch, but like turn in prison.

984
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: Guard on the people who he's looking after. They know

985
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to get fried, and he only has

986
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventeen shifts left when we meet him

987
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: for a comparison, Cassian has like twenty eight hundred and

988
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: seventeen or something, so like he is just so he

989
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: feels like he is so close to getting out, and

990
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: he's so close to getting Ulaf out, who only has

991
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: forty you know, he feels like there is an end

992
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: in sight, and that puts blinkers on him to just say,

993
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: keep your head down and we'll be okay.

994
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay on program and we'll get out. Later that night,

995
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: Cassian is kind of probes Qino. He's like, hey, do

996
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: you ever think about escaping? Keo's like, are you crazy?

997
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fucking talk about this. It's like, do

998
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: you know how many guards are on the level? Like

999
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then this is where the title

1000
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: of the episode comes from. He goes, listen, you think

1001
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: they make the effort to listen to us. They have

1002
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: us in the fucking palm of their hand. Here they

1003
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: fry us at will You think they're actually going through

1004
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: and going the extra mile and sitting there listening to

1005
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: the microphones to do right now. No one is listening,

1006
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: No one cares. Quino just rolls over and tries to

1007
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: go to sleep. Mathma finds Velle at her apartment talking

1008
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: to her daughter, and of course this is very anxiety inducing.

1009
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: When her daughter goes away, she's like, what's going on?

1010
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: Where's Luthen?

1011
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: Like?

1012
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: What are you up to? What are you doing? Velle

1013
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: is up to something. It's very clear she wouldn't be

1014
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: here if she wasn't. But what that is, what Luthen

1015
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 1: has in store? What the network is doing. She won't say.

1016
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: There are things in motion and they're risky, but she

1017
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: won't say anymore. Yirdra, our good friend, updates major partigas.

1018
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: She believes there's a connection to the rebel activity on

1019
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: Ferrix and the raid on Alt Donni. Part of Gas

1020
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: is like, that's very interesting. I want you to follow that.

1021
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: And meanwhile we find out that Dijur is using Marva

1022
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: as bait for Cassie and andor back in the prison.

1023
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: Rumors of are a massacre are intensifying. Uh, and it

1024
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: seems like it's true. One hundred men cooked? Could it be?

1025
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: Could that have happened? Is the empire that depraved, but

1026
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: it's important. Keino tells them, Listen, we need to act

1027
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: like we don't know anything, we haven't heard anything, because

1028
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: we have a better chance for survival if we just

1029
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: act like we're completely ignorant to what's going on. We

1030
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: go to dinner with Cyril and his mom, and later

1031
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: on after that he waylays Deirdre outside her office, and

1032
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: it's clear that he has become obsessed with She's.

1033
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: Like his fascist like god like he wants to be

1034
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: a part of it. He thinks they're on this same

1035
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, crazy mission.

1036
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, people I've seen people be like who what

1037
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of characters? Who is this? I got to tell

1038
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: you the people that you see online who just like

1039
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: stand for random billionaires you know, who are like, yeah,

1040
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: oh you don't you know, like for whether it's Elon

1041
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: Musk or Jeff Bezos or whoever, who just kind of

1042
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: like mindlessly that is this person? Yea, that is who

1043
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: Cereal is. He is the it's not even it's not

1044
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: even particularly about Deirdre. It's about this fascinating he feels powerless, yeah,

1045
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: and so he wants to feel like he's part of

1046
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: this growing power. He wants to be on the winning team,

1047
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: and he wants to prove himself by catching this guy

1048
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: who is thumbing his nose at Imperial Power, which he's

1049
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: so you know, devoutly worships, and he feels like Deirdre

1050
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: and him their kindred spirits in this she understands.

1051
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fanatical. It's it's you know, we see it,

1052
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: we see it online. You know, Saul was just pointing out,

1053
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: I was going to say, he's a he's a guy

1054
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: on eight Chan. He's the Riddler in Matt Reeves is Batman.

1055
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: He is someone who is so obsessed with his own

1056
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: role in this war that he sees coming that he

1057
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: will do anything, and he has become horribly obsessed. And

1058
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: what I found very interesting about this interaction is Deirdre

1059
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: is horrified. She he grabs her and he's in her

1060
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: face and she is like, I could literally have you killed,

1061
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: like fuck off. But the thing I find really interesting

1062
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: that I can't tell, and this is a really great

1063
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: bit of ambiguous storytelling. Will she see that he could

1064
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: be a terrifying, terrible weapon that she can wield, or

1065
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: is there something about his behavior that means that she

1066
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: constantly pushes him back, that's what I can't see.

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Speaker 1: I don't I found it very mbguus as well, the

1068
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: way she responded to like, why not have this guy

1069
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: put away?

1070
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: Isn't this what you want?

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01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? But but clearly for whatever reason, she doesn't, And

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm really eager to find out what her ankle

1073
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: in all of this is. And also I am eager

1074
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: and hopeful that whatever end waits both Deirdre and Cyril,

1075
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: it is horrible, horrible, and the end, the end and end. Yeah,

1076
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: you know what.

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Speaker 2: I always I'm like, God, bless this being a prequel,

1078
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I have never had these people in

1079
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: the modern time, so to fuck they got blown up on.

1080
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: Inside isb Deirdre gets some very very exciting news. A

1081
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: rebel pilot using a stolen Imperial NAB unit has been captured.

1082
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: We go to mon Mathma's apartment. She's meeting with her banker,

1083
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: her money launderer, Tay, who she contacted a few episodes

1084
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: ago to help her out with moving funds around and

1085
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: helping with this donation scheme that she's using to access money.

1086
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: Their money laundering program is in a spot of trouble.

1087
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: There's been a big movement of money, and the only

1088
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: way to cover for it is to deposit more money

1089
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: into kind of cover the hole that has been left

1090
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: by this money has been moved to the rebel alliance,

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 1: we assume. So this means Mathma needs like four hundred

1092
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: thousand credits somewhere. She needs to get it from somewhere

1093
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: to put the money in her bank account so she

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: can cover these tracks. The only way to get that

1095
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of money is from apparently a Chandrilline crime lord.

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: Davos Kyalden and Tay has it all set up. And

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: while it's clear that Mathma, we don't get a definitive

1098
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: yes or no at the end of this conversation, but

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01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, and folks, Deirdre has turned up some

1100
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: solid leads from the torture of this rebel pilot. And

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: this pilot is one of Anto Krieger's network. This is

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: Krieger is the man who Sagerera wisely had turned out

1103
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: refused to meet and probably saving Sagerera's network and the

1104
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: process deciding I don't trust this guy. I think they're sloppy,

1105
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: and they're a separatist. I'm not dealing with the good

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: read on the situation from Sagerera, we learned that there's

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: apparently going to be a rebel raid on spell House,

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: so the ISB is trying to figure out how they

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: can cover the arrest of this pilot to make it

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: look like something else happened to the pilot so that

1111
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: the rebels go through with this raid and they can

1112
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: scoop up this entire network on Spellhouse. Back on nurkena

1113
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: five ulaf collapses. Men carry him back to the bridge

1114
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: and to his cell, and eventually a medtech is called,

1115
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: but of course, rather than treat the man, he just

1116
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: injects him with a ethanization.

1117
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: Drug, basically gives him a lethal injection.

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: And says he should be thankful because worse things could

1119
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: have happened, And this leads Keno to be like, okay,

1120
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: so do you know what happened down on two and

1121
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: Quino learns that the rumors of a massacre are true?

1122
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, like, the thing that is so

1123
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: bleak is the reason the massacre happened is the Empire

1124
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: hasn't actually been letting people out of prison. It's been

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01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: taking them off one floor and funneling them back into

1126
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: another floor. But this time the people onto recognize that

1127
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: the new guy was someone from clariclaror yeah, it was

1128
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: a they'll say clerical error, but the real truth is

1129
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: you'll never getting out of prison. You're if you get released,

1130
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: you're going straight back in, just on a different floor.

1131
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: So they microwaved the entire floor. At this point, Keino realizes,

1132
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: we're never getting out of here. None of us are

1133
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: getting out of here. It doesn't matter how many shifts

1134
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: you have left. You get one shift left, you're not

1135
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: getting out at the end of that shift. And the

1136
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: ad tells is still Zidor He's like, okay, they're twelve guards,

1137
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: never more than twelve guards on the floor, and you realize, okay,

1138
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: he's Keino Zimbaby, he's in baby. This show continues to

1139
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: be absolutely fucking incredible.

1140
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven eight nine that has been for me the

1141
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: real This is a show of arcs, and seven eight

1142
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: nine for me has been like that is my arc

1143
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: where I just think they are doing the most powerful

1144
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: stuff and getting it right. I am I'm always trying

1145
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 2: to learn more about the realities of the prison system

1146
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: and about like abolition and the ways that prisoners are

1147
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 2: exploited and how we can hopefully change that in the future.

1148
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because I saw the new Henry

1149
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: Celic Netflix movie Wendlum Wild, which is a kids stop

1150
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: motion animation movie, and I saw it at the Aero Cinema,

1151
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: and that is an anti private prisons movie. The villain

1152
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: in the movie are people creating private prisons to create

1153
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: a school to prison pipeline in their neighborhood. And it

1154
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: was kind of amazing to then a couple of days

1155
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: later watch these episodes and see that this is another

1156
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: story where people are contesting that and talking about that

1157
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: and shining a light on that. You watch these episodes

1158
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: of them in the prison on Narqina five, in these

1159
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: horrific labor spaces, which ironically are probably much cleaner and

1160
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: kind of seemingly better run than the real ones in

1161
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: prisons now, you know, I mean, you have companies like

1162
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: in America's Walmart McDonald's Victoria's Secret, the US military, which

1163
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 2: is very realistic to hear who use prison labor that

1164
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: is indentured servitude, you know, And it is just kind

1165
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: of mind blowing and to me hopeful and radical to

1166
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 2: see these stories coming out now where they are shining

1167
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: a light on that, and I hope so when people

1168
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: watch these episodes, and if they watch Wendlan Wild, which

1169
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: is very beautifully animated and Jordan Peel is a co

1170
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: writer on it, it I hope that when people see

1171
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: that and say, oh, that's horrific, like they realize that

1172
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: that is actually a reflection of something that's really going on, which,

1173
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: as we always say, is one of the most powerful

1174
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: things about storytelling and especially genre storytelling.

1175
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this episode really made me think about the

1176
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: video game. This video game came out in twenty thirteen

1177
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: indie game called Papers Please, and it is about you

1178
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: play as this Border inspector Immigration inspector wow fictional authoritarian

1179
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: country in the year nineteen eighty two, and you basically

1180
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: have to people come up to your booth and you

1181
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: have to stamp their papers and decide whether they get

1182
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: in or not. And there's various alerts happening about you know,

1183
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote terrorist attacks and whatever. And the thing that

1184
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: really the mechanic is primarily you stamp papers, you know,

1185
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: examining them and stamping them. And the thing that that

1186
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: it made me realize is part of what is so

1187
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: insidious about like a power like the Empire or like

1188
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: in this game is how it makes you complicit with

1189
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: everything you do, Like stamping the papers makes you.

1190
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,959
Speaker 2: It seems like you're not but you're holding a system.

1191
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: You're literally signing your name on everything that happens. It's like, yes,

1192
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: these these men are prisoners, and one might say, well,

1193
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: they still have a choice. They could decide to get

1194
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: to die, Like you know, the fact that it's choice.

1195
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: This it's the illusion of choice, right, the fact that

1196
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:48,440
Speaker 1: this system is making them complicit in the building of weaponry.

1197
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 1: We don't know what these are, right, we don't know yet.

1198
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: But I think we can the way that they look,

1199
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 2: in the shape of them, we can assume that they

1200
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: are building something that will be used as weaponry or

1201
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: military or maybe to filled space cruisers or stuff. I

1202
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: think the most interesting thing will be and I'd love

1203
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: to see this. And again, something we've got hinted at

1204
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: in the Last Jedi is obviously we know this is

1205
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 2: being made for the Empire, but I wouldn't be surprised

1206
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: if some of it ended up in the hands of

1207
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: the rebellion, because that was always the problem. There was

1208
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: like people are being exploited or on both sides. You know, yeah,

1209
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: I just I love that that to papers please as well,

1210
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: Like it's the you know, we've talked about this so much,

1211
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: but like it also reminds me of you know, Shadows

1212
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: of the Colossus, where it's like you Shadow of the Colossus,

1213
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: where you end where you think you're the hero the

1214
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: entire time, but really you've been complicit in this horrific

1215
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 2: genocide and you kind of learn that as you go along.

1216
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: And I really I just feel very grateful that people

1217
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: are telling these stories that will hopefully put people into

1218
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: the mindset to learn more about this stuff and to

1219
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: it's you know, the term radical imagination comes up in

1220
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: a lot in abolitionist conversation, which is like imagine something better,

1221
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: and sometimes to imagine something better, people need to realize

1222
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: that something bad is already going on. And I think

1223
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 2: that this is a really great use of sci fi

1224
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: and analogous storytelling to talk about these kind of things,

1225
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: whether it's this rise of fascism or the way that

1226
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: prisoners and incarcerated people are exploited. And it's just I

1227
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: was totally blown away and that final moment when and

1228
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: Or says to him, so how many guards are on

1229
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: each level? And Qino just turns around and says, never

1230
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: more than twelve. I was just crying. I was like,

1231
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is just also going back to

1232
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: what we're talking about before. You're essentially now at a

1233
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: situation where you are supporting incarcerated people in breaking out

1234
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: of a government prison. I'm saying, the things.

1235
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: That this show very effectively argues for are completely rat

1236
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: or like in the context of pop storytelling, or immensely

1237
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: radic immensely radical. Yeah. One of the like, you know,

1238
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've always thought about visa

1239
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: vis Star Wars is man there's a lot of crime.

1240
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: You know, you have this empire that has, you know,

1241
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: more or less come to force on a program of

1242
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: law and order, right bringing cast to the galaxy, to

1243
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: stop all these wars, right stability, et cetera. So why

1244
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: is it that these crime families are so vibrant? And

1245
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: I think something that something that Tay said this meeting

1246
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: with Mathma and Tay really kind of hammered home what

1247
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: it's all about. And that's, first of all, in this

1248
01:14:54,160 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: extremely authoritarian structure, there's still there's still people who, like

1249
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: tayse say, some say something about well, you know, when

1250
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: we when we this crime lord comes, what am I

1251
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna you know, what are people going to think? And

1252
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: tastes like people are going to think the same thing

1253
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: they think about everybody else, which is, you want to

1254
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: take care of yourself, you want to take money, you

1255
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,919
Speaker 1: want to you want to you know, you want to

1256
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: make sure that you have the things that you need, uh,

1257
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: and you're going to break the rules a little bit

1258
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: to get them. And that really tracked for me in

1259
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: the sense that it's another form of of leverage that

1260
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: the Empire has over you. Yes, which is this I'm

1261
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: sure the Empire understands, and the Emperor understands and the

1262
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: ISB understand that there's various powerful senators, et cetera that

1263
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: are money laundering and all this kind of stuff. That's

1264
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: very useful if you should ever need to like arrest them, right,

1265
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: you could do it at any time. The you know, uh,

1266
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: they are looking to protect their assets. They're going to

1267
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: do it extra legally. They're going to move money around

1268
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,839
Speaker 1: maybe offshore, off planet to some other outer rim galaxy

1269
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: Heidi hole, and what better piece of leverage to swoop

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Speaker 1: them up if they step out of line with the

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Speaker 1: imperial program, right, you've got now you've you ma make

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Speaker 1: people break the rules so that you can arrest them

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Speaker 1: at any time. And also is part of the imperial

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that also again a reflection of the way that

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Speaker 2: the system does work, where there's one rule for people

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Speaker 2: on the lowest rung of society and then there's one

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Speaker 2: for the top. So it's like even people who maybe

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Speaker 2: are more politically aligned and that you agree with you

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Speaker 2: might be shocked when you find out in real life

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Speaker 2: that they are trade in stocks without you know, selling

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Speaker 2: stocks based on political knowledge they have or because you

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Speaker 2: know what, Once they become comfortable and want to be

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Speaker 2: in that space and stay in it, it's much harder

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Speaker 2: for them to say, well, you should stop doing this

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Speaker 2: thing that's illegal when they are also doing it. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's I find it very interesting how textual

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Speaker 2: this show is being.

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Speaker 1: Greed is such a is such a handmaiden to dictatorship,

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Speaker 1: because it's really like, you know, people are willing to

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Speaker 1: go a pretty long way to make sure their taxes

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Speaker 1: stay low.

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Speaker 2: You know I, and to stay comfortable and to cure

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Speaker 2: it's the ultimate it's the ultimate way of breaking down

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, solidarity as you blame someone else and say

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: they have a better life than you, or the reason

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Speaker 2: your life is bad is because of them, while at

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Speaker 2: the same time there's people living. You know. It's the

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Speaker 2: it's the page from UH you know Batman. I think

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: it's from The Long Halloween or Year one, and Batman says,

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Speaker 2: you know you've eaten, well, you've been fed, but now

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: there's a problem because I'm not going to let it

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 2: happen anymore. Those people, they're wealthy, they're rich, they're the Empire. Also,

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01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 2: there's a really great part of this show that is

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 2: exploring that with the people that sur I'm a moffman,

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: the people who make money off the empire and are

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Speaker 2: willing to stay quiet and not notice the horrors that

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Speaker 2: they were all because of how comfortable their lives are,

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Speaker 2: which I just think is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's an aspect of of the Uh Yet you participate

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Speaker 1: in society meme of those two, which is that this

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Speaker 1: is a product. This story is the is the jewel

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Speaker 1: one of the jewels in a corporate crown, a nifty

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Speaker 1: million slash billion dollar corporate entity that is, you know,

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01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: inextricably part of the fabric of a lot of the

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Speaker 1: injustices that are they're being foisted upon people right now,

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Speaker 1: which is which leads to the other. You know. Part

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Speaker 1: of the thing that I think about with this story

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, how do you how do you reform?

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01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: And is it possible to reform? Like is it possible

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Speaker 1: to reform a system that seems like it's grown beyond

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Speaker 1: anybody's control and that in effect, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: what I oftentimes think about like our own, like Western

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Speaker 1: neoliberal system, global system, is that it's just kind of

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Speaker 1: grown beyond anybody's any one person's ability or group of

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Speaker 1: people's ability to meaningfully affect it. It's like a beast

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Speaker 1: that's been set loose than just doing what.

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Speaker 2: It was, the beast of capitalism. It's a really interesting

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Speaker 2: because I think that's why, even in the scope of

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Speaker 2: being owned by someone like Disney, you know, of being

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Speaker 2: part of this corporate machine, it is pretty cool when

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Speaker 2: somebody can tell a story that might inspire a lot

1333
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Speaker 2: of people to get together and say, well, I think

1334
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: this is bad in this fictional space. Maybe it's also

1335
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Speaker 2: bad in a real space. But like you say, it

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Speaker 2: can become very overwhelming to begin to think about what

1337
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Speaker 2: that real definitive change would look like. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's why something that's really powerful that people can do

1339
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: is to be in community with other people, to do

1340
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 2: mutual aid to help your neighbors. Like, guess what, you

1341
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: can't solve the homelessness crisis unless you're really rich go

1342
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Speaker 2: and buy some houses and give it to people, or

1343
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: repatriate land. But like you can give, you can give.

1344
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Speaker 2: You can make people lunch, and you can go out

1345
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: and you can give it to them. You know, you

1346
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: can make a difference to one person, to two people,

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Speaker 2: to three people, and that can kind of be the start.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the strongest takeaways I had from

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Speaker 1: this episode. When Cassion is inspiring his fellow inmates to

1350
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Speaker 1: pick up the slack for Ulaf. You know, Ulaf is

1351
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: holding the back and it could potentially be deadly to

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01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: all of them. But instead of acting with you know,

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01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: venom or like or some kind of grievance at Ulaf

1354
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: pulling all of them back towards the bottom of the ladder,

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01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: he's instead like, okay, you move over here, you come

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Speaker 1: over here, You're able to do this better. Let me

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Speaker 1: do the screw. And then and that's exactly The thing

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Speaker 1: you're talking about and he wishes to say is yeah,

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Speaker 1: he indors incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's so good. And like that last moment with Keno,

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Speaker 2: that's Keno understanding that even if he is not willing

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Speaker 2: to be pot to risk himself and put himself out there,

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: he can share this information he has that might allow

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Speaker 2: someone else to do it and help other people. It's

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Speaker 2: really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to continue to talk about and or as

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Speaker 1: the season moves on. Up next, some news we're going

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Speaker 1: x ray. Okay, let's start with a quick conversation about

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Speaker 1: DCEU's latest entry, Black Adam, directed by John A. Collect Sarah,

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Speaker 1: starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson is teth Adam, Alvis Hodge

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Speaker 1: as Hawkman, Pierce Brosn Who's wonderful as doctor Fate. Noah

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Speaker 1: Centinaio's Adam Spasher, Quintessa Swindell and Cyclone and Sarah Shaw.

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Speaker 1: He is Sadrianna Toomas uh, I thought this movie was

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Speaker 1: I actually there's parts of this movie that I thought

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Speaker 1: were like really good. I gotta say, Doctor Fate, Doctor Fate.

1440
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Doctor Fate.

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01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: And the JSA and something I will say that Dwayne

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01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 2: has been saying from the beginning. I interviewed him for

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: Black Adam, for about Black Adam, for the Den of

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Speaker 2: Geek this cover of feature did he is very excited

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01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: about the JSA, and I feel like you can tell

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 2: that comes through like Doctor Fate movie, when that's the

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Speaker 2: biggest question when you come out of this movie, is

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Speaker 2: you say, I want to see piss Brosnan in that movie.

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Speaker 2: You know, his chemistry with the artist Hodges Hawkman is

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01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 2: great if they want to do a team up of

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Speaker 2: the two of them. Even though you can tell that

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: the movie has likely been through many forms and many

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01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: edits know which which potentially makes it a little bit

1454
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: harder to understand the character backstories and the connections between them.

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01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: The performances of the JSA, especially they sell it like

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Speaker 2: you you know, they care about each other. I want

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Speaker 2: to see. I loved Quintessa as Cyclone, and I also

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01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: think whoever it was at Warner Brothers who designed the

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Speaker 2: Cyclone costume a I loved it works so well with

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Speaker 2: Maxine's personality, which is that she is a theater nerd

1461
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 2: loves the Wizard of Oz like and also is this

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Speaker 2: legacy hero from you know, the first DC female DC

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Speaker 2: hero who was the original mar Hunkle. People forget that,

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Speaker 2: and because she was in it humor book. But I

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Speaker 2: think the way that Cyclones visuals were brought to screen,

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01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: that's one of the first original, new ways that I've

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Speaker 2: seen a superpower portrayed on screen in a really long time.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing else that looks like it, and that's very

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Speaker 2: hard to do twenty years into the superhero spectrum.

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Speaker 1: That is the thing that really struck me about, in

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Speaker 1: addition to Brosnan's wonderfully like perfect castings justosic is how

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Speaker 1: cool his powers lived, the costume, the way they were.

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Speaker 2: The fractal crystals.

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Speaker 1: Of it, the alien magicness of it, where it seemed

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Speaker 1: very very you know, for lack of a better word,

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01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: not to not to evoke a different comic book company,

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Speaker 1: but look very strange.

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Speaker 2: Look Pierce had always wanted to play Doctor Strange, so

1479
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're kind of leaning into or I should

1480
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: say Pierce was a big fan of the Doctor Strange.

1481
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought Doctor Fate was such a standout.

1482
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: I loved how much they just committed to the weirdness

1483
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 2: of that power and of that hero. He is possessed

1484
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: when he puts on the helmet. The helmet possesses him

1485
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 2: and he sort of is its vessel. That is so cool.

1486
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: I thought that Noah and Quintessa were very sweet together.

1487
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: There was great young camp chemistry there. I would love

1488
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,879
Speaker 2: to know more. I thought it was a good twist

1489
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: on expectations. We had seen the trailer where we see

1490
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: this huge X mansion inspired area with a big blackbird

1491
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: looking playing coming out of it, and we kind of

1492
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: assumed that would be doctor Fate's space and he would

1493
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 2: be the Charles Xavier of the GSA, But it's actually

1494
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:47,480
Speaker 2: the other way around. It's it's Hawkman. That's Hawkman's compound

1495
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 2: and the jsare, you know, his creation, along with potentially

1496
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: Amanda Wola. I find that a little bit. That's a

1497
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: little bit louder for me to swallow. There's some there's

1498
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 2: some clinical issue.

1499
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: With introducing let's let's make Let's make Waller Nick Fury

1500
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: after the fact decision is very like, it's very clear

1501
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, it's very clear to me that those

1502
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: scenes of viol days, the scenes were filmed like in

1503
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: a day. Like maybe I don't like.

1504
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: It because also, I mean, look, Nick Fury as the

1505
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: head of Shield definitely a war criminal. But Amanda Walla

1506
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: is like a legitimate war criminal who consistently sends people

1507
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: to their deaths. And at the beginning of James Gunn's

1508
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 2: very good and I think frankly underrated, as you will

1509
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: know if you listen to this podcast Suicide Squad movie,

1510
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 2: she literally sends out a whole team just to die.

1511
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 2: She is evil and that is the joy of Amanda Waller.

1512
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: She is a complex, horrible character who does terrible things

1513
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: for what she believes to be the greater good. So

1514
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: when Hawkman's entire personality is based on not killing great

1515
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: great conflict to introduce their against someone like teth Adam

1516
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 2: who he just loves to.

1517
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: Kill people, I mean love loves more than anything else

1518
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: to chill.

1519
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Jane Johnson, did you know you wanted to kill so

1520
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: many people? Now you do. He loves it.

1521
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: He's killing so many people before I want to talk

1522
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: about the things I liked about it before I get

1523
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: to that. But fuck man, I mean did I don't

1524
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: know that we need quite so many jokes, Like as

1525
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: a guy's body is like crashing to earth he turned

1526
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: into liquid that like, tes Adam is like winking and

1527
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: being like, hey, did you like you know? Hawkman is like, oh,

1528
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: you we need to question that guy. And then test

1529
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: Adam looks at the guy he just threw twenty miles away,

1530
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: like as their little speck of a body is like

1531
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: falling to earth, and and Hawkman's like, oh, did you

1532
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: kill that guy? And ted Adam's like whoops. You know, like,

1533
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that we quite needed that many things.

1534
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 2: Yes, ironically, I actually think I love the Shazam movies

1535
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: so much like I love them, I love everything about it,

1536
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 2: and I wish I would like to have seen a

1537
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 2: world where this black Adam and that darkness and that

1538
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 2: anger was kind of injuxtaposed with the other side of Shazam.

1539
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: I think that's really interesting to have those powers together.

1540
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's something we'll see in the future, though technically

1541
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 2: maybe the Superman thing kind of it raises the canon

1542
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 2: of Shazam. I'm not sure. I will say this is

1543
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 2: a very I think this is a very fun movie

1544
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 2: and it's very zeros to me. It's very our eras

1545
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 2: like Tim's story Fantastic Four, like big explosions, crazy effects,

1546
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 2: funny like mic drop, kind of like needle drop moments.

1547
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 2: You know, of course it's called Black Adam. They have

1548
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: a man in black needle drop like it feels like

1549
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 2: you're watching like a Zero's Blockbuster.

1550
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: I will say I think that I liked it more

1551
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,799
Speaker 1: than I was expecting to. Is it a good movie?

1552
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: Your minding charactory, it's I will say this, I think

1553
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: that this movie is I think they did a really

1554
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: good job in being conscious of the weaknesses of the movie. Like, listen,

1555
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: Black Adam, the Rock. You've seen a Rock movie, you

1556
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: know the Rock is never going to be in a

1557
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: role in which Rocks character is You're ever wondering, oh,

1558
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: is the Rocks character gonna make it? I don't know,

1559
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: Like this, the Rocks character is getting gets ass kicked.

1560
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: So in this case they were like, the Rook is immortal,

1561
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: that's the right question, And they did a really great

1562
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: thing which was being again being conscious of that kind

1563
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: of weakness. Is the emotional center of this movie is

1564
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: the relationship between Hawkman and Doctor Fate, and like, they

1565
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: don't give it a ton, but it's you feel it

1566
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: there in all of their scenes, and that's the emotional

1567
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: through line that balances out the fact that Black Adam

1568
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: is just out here throwing dude window actually long electrocuting them.

1569
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: I wish that been I think one of the things

1570
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 2: that's most inventive, aside from like I said, like I

1571
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 2: love the Cyclone Powers where it's like Maxine is is

1572
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 2: a gymnast and it's you never really seen anything like it,

1573
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 2: and it's so cool. Aside from that, I thought something

1574
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 2: that was quite cool until it became like, you know,

1575
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 2: mass murder, which you're kind of again my comic book

1576
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: brain was battling with my enjoyment of Blockbuster's brain because

1577
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: I this stuff is so intrinsic into my soul that

1578
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of like would that work?

1579
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 2: Would that? Could that be? But one thing I thought

1580
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 2: was really cool. I actually did really like the fact

1581
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: that when he punches someone, they like kind of cartoonishly

1582
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 2: looney Tunes fly away, but then I did realize after

1583
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: he did it like a hundred times, it's because if

1584
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 2: you punched someone and you couldn't make it pg. Thirteen,

1585
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 2: if he just punched a hole through someone and they

1586
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: died in front of you, you know. So it is

1587
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 2: a very interesting combination. I will say something I find

1588
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 2: very ironic because you talked about the heart of the movie,

1589
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 2: which I totally agree with you. I think the JSA

1590
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: and especially Hawkman and Doctor Fate is this beating heart

1591
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 2: of this movie. I find it very ironic that they

1592
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 2: didn't want to have the Rock and Black Adam in Shazam,

1593
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 2: but then they essentially introduced like a kid sidekick character,

1594
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 2: which basically could have just been Billy and Shazam, you know,

1595
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: or something. I found that very interesting. I also, I

1596
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: had to say in the Annals of movie sequels, I

1597
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 2: am usually a kid sidekick fan. I love when RoboCop

1598
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 2: gets like a kid sidekick in RoboCop too, and you've

1599
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 2: got like the weird you know, drug plotline the Frank

1600
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 2: Miller kind of inspired one. And then I love John Connor,

1601
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: obviously icon of my life first crush. This child sidekick

1602
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 2: did not hit in the same way for me.

1603
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, same here.

1604
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 2: I wish there'd been more of that focus on Hawkman

1605
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 2: and Doctor Fate and the GSA. But I also understand

1606
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: the nature of trying to make a giant blockbuster and

1607
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: Stuf that I have a lot of empathy for us.

1608
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: This is something that we have followed very closely. This

1609
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 2: movie came out and was that Warner Brothers at an

1610
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,480
Speaker 2: incredibly complex time.

1611
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: Very very so.

1612
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 2: The fact that it came out and we kind of

1613
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: went to the cinema and saw it and enjoyed it

1614
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 2: is sort of a miracle with everything that's going on there.

1615
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see what happens next because to me,

1616
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: where does my brain cannot help but go to where

1617
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 2: does this movie sit in the existence of the James

1618
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 2: Gun of us that is about to happen.

1619
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I've I've talked to you and Super

1620
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: roduces Assault and Super produces Chris about this offline and

1621
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: different things. But I understanding the the close relationship that

1622
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: the Rock has with this source material, the kind of

1623
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: antipathy that he seems to have for the Shazam series,

1624
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: and the fact that this is like now huge part

1625
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: of the ongoing DCEU man, I would not be surprised

1626
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: if there's some if we a year from now, a

1627
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: year and a half from now, are hearing like rumored

1628
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: reading rumored reports in the Hollywood Reporter from anonymous sorcerers, sources,

1629
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: anonymous about some kind of conflict anonymous wizards, some kind

1630
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 1: of conflict between Gun and the Rock about the direction

1631
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: of Black Adam and other stuff.

1632
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very intrigued, and obviously we have to talk

1633
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 2: about it. Like the post credit scene that tells you

1634
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot about where whoever was behind this movie and

1635
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 2: whoever made the decision, which it sounds like was very

1636
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 2: driven by The Rock and Danny Garcia his act.

1637
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: The Rock takes flat out says, yeah, we've been we

1638
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: were working for years to make this happen.

1639
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 2: Is his his ex wife, who's his business partner, who's

1640
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 2: you know, Danny Garcia. She is Henry Carvill's talent manager.

1641
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 2: So we can imagine how that came about. It suggests

1642
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 2: to me that they are leaning into a certain part

1643
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: of the DCEU that I believed was probably in it's

1644
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 2: in the past in the rearview window, but we see,

1645
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 2: we see Henry Carville and he's Superman and he comes

1646
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: and he's like, like, don't be being a bad guy.

1647
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Let's have it. Let's have it talk. I would just have.

1648
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: To be the guy, the nerd guy, because that is

1649
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 2: who we are. But like, I do not believe for

1650
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 2: any one second, Yeah, that Superman would ever even be

1651
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 2: in the same room as Amandaala. The suicide squad goes

1652
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: against everything that Superman believes in, everything he was taught

1653
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 2: by his beloved parents. I will say this is the

1654
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: Superman if it is. You know, he has a different suit,

1655
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 2: but he's not in the black suit. He's not in

1656
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 2: the kind of more the more classic suit that we've

1657
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 2: seen him in before. This is a more blue and

1658
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: red suit. This a little bit comment booky, but this

1659
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 2: is still like Superman who has killed many people. So

1660
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 2: I guess it's a different Superman.

1661
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: But to me, I feel like Amanda Wala could not

1662
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: call Superman. That is my feeling. Ama Waller could not

1663
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: call Superman. And moreover, again, like you laid out all

1664
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: the reasons why this is, you know, kind of a

1665
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: different Superman, but Superman would also not at the behest

1666
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of Amanda Waller go to meet task out like Black

1667
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: Adam a Kui, who had just got done killing three,

1668
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: four or five hundred people like some of them on

1669
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: television and stuff like Superman would not be like, yeah,

1670
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: you're right, Amanda, I need to go meet with this

1671
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: guy and have a heart to heart with this mass murderer. Yeah,

1672
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I gotta Also.

1673
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: You know, he says something I think along the lines

1674
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 2: of like, oh, nobody has made us this feel worried

1675
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: before I'm paraphrasing me. He's like, nobody has had this

1676
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 2: much conversation. But does Black Adam not technically have the

1677
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: same powers of Shazam? So shouldn't Shazam? It's I find it.

1678
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: I will be this is this is my takeaway. I'll

1679
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 2: be very interested to see how the ramifications and ripple

1680
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 2: effect of things that come from this movie end up

1681
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: impacting things going forward, because there are some things to

1682
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 2: me that don't necessarily immediately appear to gel. But you

1683
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: know what, I'm also open to it, like this is

1684
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: the world we live in, this is the IP I

1685
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: want to see more of the JSA. I think Henry

1686
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Carville I understand why they cast him as Superman. I

1687
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 2: would love to get to see him as more of

1688
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 2: a classical style Superman instead of like the breaking Somebody's

1689
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 2: next Star Superman. So who knows, you know. I'm interested,

1690
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: and this is obviously like a big passion project for Dwayne,

1691
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 2: but I'm very interested to see how a man James

1692
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: Gunn who made a Superman is a murderer horror movie

1693
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 2: called Brightburn. I'm very interested what to see what the

1694
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 2: DC universe looks like under him post this Man.

1695
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: As well, and again Black Adam. It was pretty good.

1696
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: See it in the cinema, like eat a popcorn and

1697
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: watch the rock punch people through walls and listen to

1698
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 2: Smashing Pumpkins. Okay, my only I will say something this

1699
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 2: movie does that I've been waiting for these Zero's throwback

1700
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 2: movies to do because these are very like zero Z

1701
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,839
Speaker 2: throwback superhero blockbusters, right X Men two exactly. This movie

1702
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 2: Smashing Pumpkins was a good start, but it should have

1703
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 2: when the main character accidentally brought the rot aka Black

1704
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 2: Adam back to life, they should have played bring Me

1705
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 2: to Life by Evanescence. I need them to commit. I

1706
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 2: need them to commit to the New Metal more bius

1707
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 2: that movie. More people would have enjoyed it if they'd

1708
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 2: just put New Metal in it and made it be like, yeah,

1709
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 2: this is like Queen of the damn. This is like,

1710
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: we're really going back there. So Black Adam on the

1711
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 2: right way. So let's embrace as there rose more. If

1712
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it, let's do it.

1713
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Baby up next twenty twenty two. In horror, spooky season

1714
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: is over. But the terror, the terror never leaves us, Rosie,

1715
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,759
Speaker 1: it never leaves. So now we're going to talk about

1716
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: some of your twenty twenty two horror highlights. It's been

1717
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: a great year for horror. I haven't seen everything good.

1718
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: The stuff that I've seen is great. Where would you

1719
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: like to start with some of the best twenty twenty

1720
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:29,759
Speaker 1: two horror movies?

1721
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 2: You know what, let's start. It's one of the ones

1722
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 2: that we both seen and it was I feel like

1723
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: one of those big, funny word of mouth hits end

1724
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 2: up being the number one movie on the weekend. It

1725
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 2: was released because of great timing by the studio. Let's

1726
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 2: talk about Barbarian.

1727
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, right away. See it now on HBO Max.

1728
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: If you have HBO Max's the service, you can watch it.

1729
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 2: And now if you haven't seen it, skit in this

1730
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: part and even hear of your home. Yeah, just don't

1731
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 2: even like, just don't even listen to us saying we

1732
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 2: liked it. Just go watch it first and come back.

1733
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 2: This movie is so great, made by Zach Creger. Totally

1734
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: took me by surprise. Georgina Campbell in the lead role

1735
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 2: with Bill Skarsgard, who is basically our modern scream queen.

1736
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 3: He's delightful, really is our mind, our horror darling. He

1737
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 3: was in The Brilliant Villains, which I love, with Michael

1738
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 3: Monroe obviously Pennywise. You know, it's I'm not going to

1739
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 3: even get into spoilers with this movie because the truth

1740
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 3: is that you just got to go and watch it.

1741
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 3: But it's a very interesting take on the idea of

1742
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 3: an airbnb horror movie and the horrors of just letting

1743
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 3: someone into your home.

1744
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 2: I saw it at a screening with an interview afterwards

1745
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 2: with the Carston crew, and Zach Creger had this really

1746
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: interesting origin story for it, which was kind of reading

1747
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 2: a book by a security expert about all the red

1748
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: flags that women are taught to ignore in their lives

1749
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 2: and how they come into play every day. So the

1750
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 2: movie is so great. There's all these different layers. Who

1751
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 2: is the Barbarian who is kind of the hero what

1752
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 2: do you do when you're put in an unbelievable situation.

1753
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: It has a lot of political subtext that I really enjoyed.

1754
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 2: Georgina Campbell is brilliant. She's a really brilliant British actor,

1755
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that she's getting her shine here.

1756
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 2: Justin Long is also in the movie. That's all I'm

1757
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 2: gonna say.

1758
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a modern.

1759
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 2: He's actually the queen, the modern scream queen. If we

1760
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 2: look back to like Jeepers, Creepers and Tusk and all

1761
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 2: the great stuff he's been in. That one is a riot.

1762
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 2: It's a shame you can't You actually can still see

1763
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 2: it in a theater, I have to say. I think

1764
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: a lot of AMC's are still showing it. It's kind

1765
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 2: of been a slow burn, but it's so wild you

1766
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: will not guess where it's going. You will And if

1767
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: you like to dig into the kind of analogous nature

1768
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: of it, I think it has a very a lot

1769
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 2: of interesting things to say about the state of kind

1770
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 2: of where things are not just on like a feminist, misogynist,

1771
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 2: whatever level, but also just like really interesting things about America.

1772
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 2: And kind of living space, living spaces and the monsters

1773
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 2: of America and kind of what the horror stories of

1774
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 2: America are. Yeah, I thought that was just that's a

1775
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 2: great surprise.

1776
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 1: About like middle class striving for a better life through

1777
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: real estate. Like it reminded me of Pacific Heights. I

1778
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever yeah, yeah, yeah, godif Heights.

1779
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: It reminded me in the setup and the kind of

1780
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: way different things would unfold. It reminded it gave me

1781
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:35,759
Speaker 1: that same kind of feeling of living space, the terror

1782
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,480
Speaker 1: of a living space and the hopes and fears and.

1783
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 2: Letting someone into your space specific times. Also streaming free

1784
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,919
Speaker 2: actually Pluto Chew Bey and I think that's a really

1785
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: great double bill suggestion. So yeah, that's one of them.

1786
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 2: The next two I would definitely say, folks, you know

1787
01:44:55,320 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 2: x X by Ty West Ampar. I am a Ty

1788
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 2: West like die Hard superstand from the old when like

1789
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 2: when you know, mumble Gore was a thing and it

1790
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 2: was like all the guys who were made like Your

1791
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 2: Next then Horrible Way to Die and all these kind

1792
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 2: of old horror movies that were coming out in like

1793
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 2: the twenty tens ish onwards, and so I was really

1794
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: excited for this. I got to go see it at

1795
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 2: the New Beverly. It was really cool. Thy West did

1796
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 2: a Q and A afterwards. X is uh Stork a

1797
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 2: Texas chainsaw massacre inspired exploitation horror about a group of

1798
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 2: people who go to record a porn movie in Texas

1799
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 2: somewhere and it's and it's kid Coody's got Mascudie is

1800
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 2: in it. Britney Snow, She's incredible, Mia Goth who is

1801
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 2: doing double duty in that movie. And you will learn

1802
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 2: why as you watch it. Also Jenna Ortega, who I

1803
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 2: love coming up as one of my favorite like genre people.

1804
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: I think she's so great and it is really fun.

1805
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: It's really weird. I think it's quite super weird. It's

1806
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 2: super weird. It's so there's a great moment where they

1807
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 2: there's like a there's a musical scene, but not like

1808
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 2: a musical sequence. It's just them all singing. The sex

1809
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 2: is filmed really interestingly. I personally felt like had a

1810
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 2: lot of cool stuff to say about sex and aging

1811
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 2: and the and desire. I think that is quite divisive.

1812
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure everyone feeling.

1813
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: That way, but I think feeling there's something like so

1814
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: powerful about feeling desired and that is taken away from you.

1815
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: That exploration of what happens when you don't feel like

1816
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: when you when a person doesn't feel desired anymore, it's

1817
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: part of the really intriguing exploration that underpins this super

1818
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: wild and cory.

1819
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 2: Like this is not some This is not some you know,

1820
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 2: hereditary esque like slobun Like.

1821
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, you can.

1822
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 2: People are getting eaten by alligators, people are getting murdered,

1823
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: People's heads are getting carved in like it is real,

1824
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 2: real gory, and it is wonderfully edited. It's really cool.

1825
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 2: And then Ty West and Mia Goth came up with

1826
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 2: this idea on the set and they filmed it directly afterwards,

1827
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: they filmed a prequel that is a completely different style

1828
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,839
Speaker 2: of movie called Pearl that's set in like the nineteen

1829
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 2: twenties and it stars me a Goth as Pearl, who

1830
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,599
Speaker 2: you will meet when you watch X. That is an

1831
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 2: absolutely wild, fever dream of a movie. It's beautiful, It

1832
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 2: looks like Wizard of Oz inspired. It is strange. It's

1833
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 2: kind of this exploration of a serial killer of somebody

1834
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 2: who is so disenchanted with life and can't imagine anything

1835
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 2: better for themselves. It's so good. That is an unexpected

1836
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,759
Speaker 2: new franchise. And there's also going to be a third

1837
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: one coming out soon that sadly they haven't already made,

1838
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 2: called Maxine with three X's, which is gonna continue on

1839
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 2: a story of one of the characters from from X.

1840
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 2: So those were just a total wonderful surprise for me.

1841
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 2: I love a movie that homages and other movie.

1842
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Well.

1843
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 2: I felt like the text chance of Masca stuff was

1844
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 2: done really well. I think Pearl is a great curve ball.

1845
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 2: So I love both of them. But I think a

1846
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 2: lot of people probably just like one and that's also great,

1847
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Like I love that it can exist in that way.

1848
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: These movies are also prime examples of how as these

1849
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: big event movies, superhero movies have kind of monopolized the

1850
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: box office, there is this vibrant ecosystem of smaller genre movies,

1851
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 1: mainly horror, like predominantly horror, that are the other thing

1852
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 1: that is really thriving in this post COVID age of streaming.

1853
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 2: I think about a lot. I don't know if people

1854
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 2: saw it. I know it was supposed to kind of

1855
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 2: spark off this new space. I'm not talking about dark

1856
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 2: universe before I say the next thing, and you think

1857
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about rip today. But Lee wan

1858
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 2: or one of the co creators, have saw. He directed

1859
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 2: a remake of The Invisible Man with Elizabeth Moss and

1860
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 2: Oliver Jackson Cohen, and it was unbelievable. It was this dark,

1861
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 2: domestic thriller. It was high tech, it was this totally

1862
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 2: new take on The Invisible Man. That shit costs five

1863
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 2: million dollars to make, and it made one hundred million

1864
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 2: dollars in its opening weekend. That happened just before COVID,

1865
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 2: and I was worried that was something we might not

1866
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 2: get more off. But actually, as Jason pointed out, I

1867
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 2: actually think a strange effect of huge superhero movies is

1868
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: that we are now getting more low budget indie horrors.

1869
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 2: Because horror can make money at the box office, but

1870
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 2: off a tiny make it cheap, you can make it cheap.

1871
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: Especially Invisible Man was you know, was actually made in Australia.

1872
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 2: I got to visit the set and Baria, like Barbia

1873
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,560
Speaker 2: is a great example, Yes, sir, exactly, and Barbarian. I

1874
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 2: think they filmed it in like somewhere in eastern Europe.

1875
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure where but.

1876
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: The old the old hostle.

1877
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was still scared to go there.

1878
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 2: But like, I love that point because I remember being

1879
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 2: on that set and Lee was saying, you know, if

1880
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,759
Speaker 2: you film in Australia, you can film for five million

1881
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 2: dollars and your DP is like the DP of Lord

1882
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 2: of the Rings or something like. There's this you can

1883
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 2: have this incredible cinematic talent, but you're making the movie

1884
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 2: for a lot cheaper, and that enables you to kind

1885
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 2: of go in these different directions. Nobody probably thought of

1886
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 2: making an Invisible Man movie that was about like domestic

1887
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 2: abuse and emotionally abusive relationships. But he did it, and

1888
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 2: it's such a great movie. And I kind of love

1889
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 2: seeing that so many of these movies are in that space.

1890
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 2: Like the next movie I'm going to talk about is

1891
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 2: like I was like a little bit more expensive, but

1892
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 2: it it's Jordan Peele, so he's earned his money, he's

1893
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 2: made his cheap movie. But I loved Nope. I would

1894
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 2: say some people probably don't think.

1895
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's definitely not like I'd say it's a

1896
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 1: genre Maybe it's a genre movie. It's like it's like

1897
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: a fun house Spielberg movie. Yeah is the way I

1898
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,799
Speaker 1: would I love got the elements of Spielberg, with wonder

1899
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 1: and aliens and like larger than life forces interacting and

1900
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 1: intersecting with like domestic life, but it happens in ways

1901
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 1: that are a little bit more open ended than Yeah.

1902
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: Certainly a Spielberg movie and very very weird. I liked

1903
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: it a lot.

1904
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: I loved it. It might be it might be edging up.

1905
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I like all three of Peel's horror like

1906
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: movies so far, but I love them, but this is

1907
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 2: edging up for me. This was definitely this is still

1908
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 2: up there for me for like the coolest movie I

1909
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 2: saw all Yeah, like Kiki Parma doesn't a Currius slide.

1910
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 2: The costume design is brilliant. The character who also this

1911
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 2: is whole movie is like a love let at a Fries,

1912
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 2: which if you're from well in LA, they're very iconic,

1913
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 2: and the Burbank Fries actually plays a massive point. But

1914
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 2: they did have them all over the country. They were

1915
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 2: themed electronics stores, and in Nope, the FRI's UFO themed

1916
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,679
Speaker 2: electronic store, which sadly shut during COVID, is a major

1917
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 2: plot point. There's so much to this movie. I love

1918
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 2: and the kid who works in that shop in the

1919
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 2: movie is wearing all these like he's wearing like an

1920
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,640
Speaker 2: Earth shirt and he's wearing all these like cool underground

1921
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 2: weird band t shirts. This just is very cool. I

1922
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 2: loved it. It's unique take on what it's about. If

1923
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 2: you don't know, go watch it. Yeah. I thought that

1924
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. I also saw Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. Again.

1925
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 2: I think that's probably quite a divisive movie. I thought

1926
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 2: it was great. It's very silly, very committed to the

1927
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 2: bit and does what I think is one of the

1928
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 2: most unique sticking the landing. Like, watch the movie even

1929
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 2: if you feel like yeah, even if you feel like

1930
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 2: it's a parody or it's like a little bit too much,

1931
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 2: it's very much in this It's like gen Z social satire.

1932
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,680
Speaker 2: So that might not land for you, but it is

1933
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 2: once you get to the end of the movie, is

1934
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 2: absolutely worth it. And I was just I thought the

1935
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 2: cast was great. I thought it was very enjoyable. I

1936
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 2: saw it at like Universal Studios with my friends and

1937
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 2: I was just like, yes, good, enjoyable, well done to

1938
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 2: that movie, and nice to see A twenty four is

1939
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 2: kind of doing something a bit different, like a slasher movie.

1940
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,839
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I thought that was really great. Why

1941
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: don't you talk about the older black Phone?

1942
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: Oh up? The Extra Black Phone directed by Scott Dereckson,

1943
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:38,640
Speaker 1: based on Black Phone by Joe Hill, the horror and

1944
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 1: suspense writer Joe Hill, son of Stephen King. This is

1945
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: kind of a imagine the sixth Sense meets a child

1946
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: serial kidnapper story and you have Black Phone. I in

1947
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it's the most down the line

1948
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: of the movies we've talked about. It's the most traditional

1949
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,759
Speaker 1: kind of horror set up movie. I could have imagined

1950
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 1: renting this movie in like, you know, as a kid.

1951
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you also have that spielbugness to it, even though

1952
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 2: Spielbug never be this deep into horror. It's like that

1953
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,719
Speaker 2: nostalgia of being a kid and the horror of being

1954
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 2: a kid, and the relationships you make with other children

1955
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 2: and your kind of interactions with the supernatural as a kid.

1956
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: But it's it's underpinned by a really like a truly

1957
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 1: creepy performance from Ethan haw Icon and some really really

1958
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: just wonderful visual scares. It is in some again, is

1959
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: in some ways the most like the most it's the most.

1960
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: Horror, the most horror movie of.

1961
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 1: These movies, but it's also like very very much worth

1962
01:54:56,160 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: your time, with just the right amount of twists on

1963
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: the kind of standard formula to make you sit up

1964
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 1: and go, oh, that was pretty interesting. I quite enjoyed it,

1965
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: and again a real tour to force, like scary performance

1966
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk you're not used to seeing in this kind

1967
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: of performance.

1968
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 2: And Joe Hill is a really scary author if you

1969
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 2: like horror books. I remember reading he has this book

1970
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 2: called Heart Shaped Box, and that book like legit. I

1971
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 2: remember having to stop reading it at night because it

1972
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: was creeping me out so much. So I'm glad that

1973
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 2: he's also the co creator of a Lock and Key,

1974
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 2: which is a comic book that I love, and I

1975
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 2: really enjoyed the adaptation too. So yeah, I mean that's

1976
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 2: just really the tip of the iceberg. I think those

1977
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 2: are some of the best. But there's like Smile, which

1978
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,320
Speaker 2: was just such a huge sleeper hit in the box

1979
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: office and people were just terrified by it, which good

1980
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 2: for them. Pray. Obviously we loved it, we talked about it.

1981
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 2: It was great. Again kind of more of this different

1982
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 2: kind of horror. There's also, I mean, one of the

1983
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 2: best TV shows on at the moment, full stop, maybe

1984
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 2: the best. I don't know, I waiver on it. But

1985
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 2: is Evil, which was this smash hit on CBS. The

1986
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 2: first season was like constantly one of the top rated shows.

1987
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 2: It was so successful they moved it to Paramount Plus

1988
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 2: of course because streaming. But it's basically the story of

1989
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:23,880
Speaker 2: a woman who is like a psychologist, who is a

1990
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 2: cynic played by Catcher Herbert, and a priest who is

1991
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 2: played by Mike Coulter, and they are teamed up to

1992
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: assess supernatural events.

1993
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 1: It's a classic X Files.

1994
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 2: And they basically are there to assess supernatural things for

1995
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 2: the for the church, for the Catholic Church. But I

1996
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,400
Speaker 2: will say this is one of the few shows i'm

1997
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm always oh, you should just jump on wherever No.

1998
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 2: I will say I had watched a random episode of Evil,

1999
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 2: and I didn't get it when I watched it in

2000
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 2: the context of the series. It's one of the most

2001
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 2: horrific episodes of TV I've ever seen. Like, this is

2002
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,919
Speaker 2: a show that veers between the moment I really understood

2003
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 2: Evil was there's a scene where they're doing and exorcism

2004
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 2: and they're wearing Blues Brothers sunglasses and it's like completely ridiculous.

2005
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 2: And the other person on their team, who is maybe

2006
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 2: my favorite character, is called Ben and he's played by

2007
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 2: a seaf man Vat, and he is so good. And

2008
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 2: the show is just consistently one of the best, most

2009
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 2: inventive and complex shows. And it doesn't side with either side.

2010
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 2: It's just about the evil of humanity, the evil things

2011
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 2: people will do, and it's always kind of questioning the

2012
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 2: nature of evil. But it also has unbelievable practical effects,

2013
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 2: super creepy storytelling. It's just so good. And season three

2014
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 2: is all up now on Paramount Plass and it's one

2015
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 2: of the best seasons of TV I've seen and one

2016
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 2: of my favorite horror things that I've seen this year.

2017
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 2: It's it's really it's really good.

2018
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: You should watch it well. Up next, we're going to

2019
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 1: keep the horror conversation creeping and rolling with your interview

2020
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 1: with Seana Feste, director of Run Sweetheart, Run Folks. This

2021
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Speaker 1: is it the last weekend before election Day. Refreshing Twitter

2022
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2024
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2028
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2029
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2040
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to talk to Shanna Feste, who

2041
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 2: is the director of Run Sweet Art, Run, a movie

2042
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 2: that is now stream on Amazon Prime, ostensibly about a

2043
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 2: young single mother who has to go on a dinner

2044
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 2: date for work and then finds herself running through the

2045
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 2: streets of la from this horrible nightmarish figure that she

2046
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 2: went on a date with. Me and Shanna have a

2047
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 2: great convert about it. But one thing I will say

2048
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 2: is that the conversation and the movie delve into sexual assault, harassment,

2049
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 2: emotional abuse, including some of Shanna's own experiences with that.

2050
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 2: So just a warning. If that's not something that you

2051
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:07,120
Speaker 2: want to listen to or feel comfortable with, you can

2052
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 2: jump around in the show notes with the times. But

2053
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 2: if you do want to listen, this is the interview

2054
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 2: with Shana, which was just a really great chat about

2055
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 2: a really exciting movie starring one of my favorite actresses,

2056
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:22,000
Speaker 2: Ella Balinska. Oh hey, Shana, it's so great to have

2057
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:24,560
Speaker 2: you on x ray Vision. We're just so happy. I

2058
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 2: was such a big fan of this film.

2059
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,080
Speaker 4: Oh that's so cool. Thank you.

2060
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a joy. So, I guess starting off,

2061
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 2: I was just wondering what was kind of your origin

2062
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 2: with horror. Was it something that you loved when you

2063
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 2: were a kid, was it something you kind of always

2064
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 2: grew up with, or was it something that you came

2065
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:42,839
Speaker 2: to a little bit later in life.

2066
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think as a kid, my dad was completely

2067
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:50,880
Speaker 4: inappropriate and played me he wanted to watch, So I

2068
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 4: was like, you know, watching you know, Freddy Krueger and

2069
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 4: you know all the classics Texas Chainsaw Massacre with him

2070
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 4: and having like the craziest nightmares of my entire life.

2071
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 4: It did not care at all because he just wanted

2072
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 4: to watch those movies. So I think in the back

2073
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 4: of my head they were always like a love and

2074
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 4: intrigue of horror. But then I think I think my

2075
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 4: career was guided in a way where it was like,

2076
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 4: what do you want to do horror? You know, like,

2077
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 4: here's a Ya story you should check out, or here's

2078
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 4: a love What about a Nicholas Spark's love story for you?

2079
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:27,240
Speaker 4: It was kind of and I actually really wanted to

2080
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 4: get into genre, but it wasn't until Blumhouse. It actually

2081
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 4: they gave me the opportunity to do it.

2082
02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was that like for you to not

2083
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,640
Speaker 2: only see that that's not true at all, the women

2084
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 2: make horror and you can make horror, but also to

2085
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 2: then get to make it about a story that is

2086
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 2: so much about womanhood and the everyday kind of experience

2087
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 2: of a lot of women.

2088
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think I could have made any other

2089
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 4: horror To be honest, when I think of you, I

2090
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:57,480
Speaker 4: have to have a personal connection to whatever I'm doing.

2091
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,000
Speaker 4: So if you were to ask me what my biggest

2092
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 4: fear was, it wouldn't be chucky or you know, the

2093
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 4: ghosts in my room. It would be men. It's my

2094
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 4: biggest That's what I am most scared of in my

2095
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 4: daily life, sadly, and I love men. I'm married to one,

2096
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:16,280
Speaker 4: I have two sons. You know, they're great. But the

2097
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:18,600
Speaker 4: reality of it is, you know, I grew up in

2098
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 4: Los Angeles and not a day went by where I

2099
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:26,120
Speaker 4: was suffering some kind of like indignity, whether it was

2100
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 4: a billboard that I passed of a you know, a

2101
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 4: girl giving a blowjob to a subway sandwich, or a

2102
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 4: guy cat calling me on the bus, or letting a

2103
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 4: plumber when I'm alone in my apartment and feeling really uncomfortable,

2104
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 4: whatever it was. It's such a lived in experience as

2105
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 4: a woman, right. Yeah, And that I had a really

2106
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 4: strong personal connection too, So I knew that's what I

2107
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:52,760
Speaker 4: wanted to That's what I wanted to say if I

2108
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 4: was going to make a horror movie.

2109
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean horror has always been this space for

2110
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Speaker 2: this great analogous storytelling and stories that are really about

2111
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 2: kind of bigger issues, and it's it's Yeah, it's quite

2112
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 2: wonderful to see a story that so plays into that.

2113
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 2: And it's also very la story because of the way

2114
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 2: it's set. So could you talk a little bit about

2115
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 2: the origin of the actual idea for Run Sweetart. Obviously

2116
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 2: these personal experiences, but when did you get to this

2117
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 2: idea of kind of the date gone wrong taken to

2118
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 2: the most extreme degree.

2119
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:27,280
Speaker 4: Well, I went on a date that went wrong when

2121
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,000
Speaker 4: I was in my twenties and it was in the

2122
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 4: Hollywood Hills and it was you know, I was a

2123
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:36,400
Speaker 4: broke student at UCLA and this guy looked amazing on paper,

2124
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:41,320
Speaker 4: and I was in my cute little black dress and

2125
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 4: we went back to his place and it went bad

2126
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 4: and I had to get out of there. And this

2127
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 4: was before cell phone, so I didn't have a cell phone.

2128
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 4: I don't even think I had my purse. I just ran.

2129
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 4: I was living in West la near UCLA, and I

2130
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:01,120
Speaker 4: ran home and it was probably about I started at

2131
02:04:01,240 --> 02:04:03,360
Speaker 4: one in the morning and I got home at probably

2132
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 4: like six am. Wow, And some of the things were

2133
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 4: about things that actually happened to me on that run,

2134
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 4: but it was it was a terrorizing experience from A

2135
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 4: to B and nothing came out of it. You know,

2136
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 4: it just went like the next day, I went to

2137
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 4: work and I went to my classes, and you just

2138
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:24,280
Speaker 4: had to press on.

2139
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just really shocking how many people have those stories. Yeah,

2140
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:33,280
Speaker 2: it's rare to meet someone who doesn't, you know, who

2141
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have that horrific story.

2142
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,040
Speaker 4: You know, when we were there's this part where SHERI

2143
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 4: looks at Clark Gregg's computer and I just started gathering crew.

2144
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, was there a verur guy in

2145
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:47,680
Speaker 4: your life that maybe you never did you wrong and

2146
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 4: you didn't go to the cops or something happened, who

2147
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 4: did you wrong? And it was so horrifying to see

2148
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 4: how many women were like, oh, put this name on,

2149
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 4: put this name on. And here we were having this little

2150
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:05,320
Speaker 4: victory of putting these names on his calendar thinking and

2151
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the justice that we're getting

2152
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 4: right now, you know, even though it did actually feel

2153
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 4: like some kind of justice because we could put the

2154
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,360
Speaker 4: name on the paper and it was come from you know,

2155
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:19,760
Speaker 4: women that were an electric and Grip and Caterine and pas.

2156
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so was there This is obviously like an

2157
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:29,320
Speaker 2: incredible personal kind of tale for you, but was there

2158
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 2: something cathartic in putting it to screen and kind of

2159
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:36,000
Speaker 2: changing how that story ends? Yeah?

2160
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I've been sexually assaulted a few

2161
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 4: times in my life and I've never gotten revenge, you know,

2162
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:50,520
Speaker 4: not even legally. It hasn't happened. And I always think

2163
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:53,000
Speaker 4: about why I am a writer and director, and it

2164
02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 4: is because I get to write my own endings and

2165
02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 4: the ending that I wish I could have lived. Not

2166
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 4: that I wish I could be a murderer. Well maybe

2167
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 4: maybe I do, who knows, But yeah, it has to

2168
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 4: feel good, right, It feels good to rewrite your own ending.

2169
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:13,920
Speaker 4: And you know, there's a reason that ultimately Ethan is

2170
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 4: more powerful than we ever expected, because that is really

2171
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 4: what the patriarchy feels like to me. It doesn't feel

2172
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,160
Speaker 4: like one guy that you know, he goes to jail

2173
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:24,960
Speaker 4: and it's over and you're done, and you're right, you

2174
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 4: live the rest of your life really great. It's not

2175
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:33,120
Speaker 4: that way at all. It's the seeds are everywhere that

2176
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 4: you wouldn't even know, and and it always surprises you.

2177
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 4: The power. Yeah, you know, we had a we have

2178
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 4: a world leader that the world might end because of

2179
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:47,160
Speaker 4: toxic masculinity at the moment, you know, like it's everywhere

2180
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 4: and it feels incredibly powerful and impossible to defeat.

2181
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. I felt like that was a

2182
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 2: very real kind of representation of how hopeless and kind

2183
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:03,800
Speaker 2: of powerless we can feel in those situations, even if

2184
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 2: the person is not exponentially powerful in a way we

2185
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 2: weren't expecting. So when it came, I am I am

2186
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:13,200
Speaker 2: like a huge Ella Balinska fan. So I yeah. I

2187
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:16,160
Speaker 2: When they actually emailed me about watching the movie for

2188
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 2: the first time, I was like, send it over, baby.

2189
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I think Ella is so great. So

2190
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 2: and finding a lead who can be vulnerable, who can

2191
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 2: be strong, who can be absolutely believable when we get

2192
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,080
Speaker 2: to that third act turn, How hard was that? And

2193
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:34,160
Speaker 2: how did you know that Ella was the right person

2194
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:34,840
Speaker 2: to play Sharie?

2195
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 4: I mean it was impossible, to be honest, How do

2196
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 4: you find an actress that can do all of those things?

2197
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 4: You know her arc I always think I have so

2198
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 4: much respect for actors in horror because they have to

2199
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 4: do the impossible you know, it's not like they're talking

2200
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 4: about getting a divorce in a small room. You know,

2201
02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 4: they are here to hear. And that calm adrenaline in

2202
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 4: the constant trauma that Ella had to carry from day

2203
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:05,320
Speaker 4: to day.

2204
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:05,960
Speaker 1: You know.

2205
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:09,839
Speaker 4: We shot in La nights eighteen nights in a row.

2206
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

2207
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 4: She was physically and mentally exhausted by this role. You know,

2208
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 4: it was so demanding on her body. Was of course

2209
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 4: it was the year that La had like the most

2210
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 4: cold winter ever. Of course, dress with no shoes, and

2211
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:31,040
Speaker 4: we're shooting in La and those locations were not glamorous.

2212
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:33,919
Speaker 4: You know, she's running down alleys where we're looking for needles,

2213
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, on the ground and trying to get rid

2214
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,480
Speaker 4: of the best we can. But she just went for it.

2215
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 4: And also she could play what I really wanted to

2216
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:44,480
Speaker 4: do is have that kind of turn where you're like,

2217
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:48,120
Speaker 4: is this a romantic comedy? You know, yeah, this is

2218
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 4: is this aspirational? And she could play the hero in

2219
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 4: a romantic comedy, and she could play the hero in

2220
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:57,440
Speaker 4: an action film and the hero in horror film. And

2221
02:08:57,480 --> 02:09:00,320
Speaker 4: so it took her. It took an actress like to

2222
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,400
Speaker 4: accomplish all that. It's pretty amazing to watch.

2223
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder could you talk a little bit

2224
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 2: about that kind of cold open and that journey of

2225
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:11,160
Speaker 2: like this dream date that seems like it's gonna go

2226
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 2: every way that we all wanted, which is like you're

2227
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 2: broke and you need you Suddenly there's like this handsome

2228
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 2: guy in your life who lives in this really expensive

2229
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 2: house and couldn't this be wonderful? And then that great

2230
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 2: first use of the run, you know, and kind of

2231
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:27,240
Speaker 2: the choice you made to tell the story that way.

2232
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think with these men that look so great

2233
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 4: on paper, that hold these positions of power, the scariest

2234
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:39,320
Speaker 4: thing to me is what happens behind closed doors, right,

2235
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 4: And so that is why I literally have him say no,

2236
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 4: the camera's not going to see this, and that's where

2237
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:49,600
Speaker 4: they are their true selves and it's terrifying.

2238
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2239
02:09:51,320 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 2: I love that moment where we can just hear we

2240
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 2: can't see anything, the door is closed, and then we

2241
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:57,760
Speaker 2: see Cheri and.

2242
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 4: We know, you know, you don't need to you don't

2243
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 4: see any of that. And that was the one, you know,

2244
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 4: there was one insecurity I had initially about directing a

2245
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:11,920
Speaker 4: horror film is I thought, oh, the violence, Like how

2246
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 4: am I going to actually being a survivor? How do

2247
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 4: I want to treat this?

2248
02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:18,080
Speaker 5: For me?

2249
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,520
Speaker 4: I thought the most challenging aspect as a filmmaker is

2250
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 4: to create something that felt really terrifying, but without actually

2251
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:30,520
Speaker 4: seeing a ton of the violence, you know, seeing the aftermath.

2252
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,400
Speaker 4: And then we had an incredible sound designer and an

2253
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 4: incredible cinematographer. I always think of, you know, Rosemary's Baby,

2254
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:40,720
Speaker 4: if we had seen that, we would not be nearly

2255
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 4: as scary. Its little laser eyes or whatever you know

2256
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 4: in our head is always so much scarier than what

2257
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:48,000
Speaker 4: we see on screen.

2258
02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like the most classic horror movies like Texas

2259
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,360
Speaker 2: Chains Samasaca, there's actually like barely any blood. Halloween has

2260
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 2: no blood, you know, so there's these kind of different versions.

2261
02:10:56,920 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 2: Something I loved about this is we don't often get

2262
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:03,240
Speaker 2: to see you know, i'll call it a horror revenge

2263
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 2: rather than that people would call them rape revenge movies

2264
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 2: or whatever. But like, we don't usually get to see

2265
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:13,000
Speaker 2: movies about women getting assaulted without having to watch the

2266
02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 2: assault first and be like, this is why it's okay

2267
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 2: that she's getting her revenge. But I really I felt

2268
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 2: like that was very refreshing. So I'm really glad that

2269
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:23,400
Speaker 2: that was a choice you made. And then we get

2270
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's not unclear how evil Ethan is at

2271
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:29,080
Speaker 2: any point. We get to see all the different ways

2272
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 2: that he is evil. So could you talk a little

2273
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 2: bit about Ethan and casting Pela aspect as kind of

2274
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 2: and how you have to find that balance between charm, yeah,

2275
02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:43,720
Speaker 2: kind of creepiness and then somebody that you can believe

2276
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:46,160
Speaker 2: is this supernatural.

2277
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:47,560
Speaker 1: Powered being.

2278
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean Pelu is like a dramatic actor.

2279
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:55,680
Speaker 4: He is like it's in Denmark, you know, he's He's

2280
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:59,320
Speaker 4: the top tier. And I'm not scared of a lot

2281
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 4: of actors me just say that, you know, they're not

2282
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:05,320
Speaker 4: terrifying presence to me.

2283
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:06,440
Speaker 1: But Pelu.

2284
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:09,280
Speaker 4: When I was watching Game of Thrones, I never did.

2285
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:11,720
Speaker 4: I think as a director you do this a few

2286
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,080
Speaker 4: times in your career where you like pause something and

2287
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:17,200
Speaker 4: look someone up and I'm like, who is this guy? Yeah?

2288
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 4: He is terrifying. And then you know, as I was

2289
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,320
Speaker 4: about to, you know, interview him for the role and

2290
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:26,240
Speaker 4: we were going to have a meeting, I started watching

2291
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 4: his other work and I'm like, what is this He's

2292
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 4: like this dramatic actor playing a father crying and like

2293
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 4: he can literally he's like Ella, He's one of those

2294
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:38,560
Speaker 4: actors that can do at all. But he's really terrifying,

2295
02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 4: I mean truly really terrifying, and the nicest person and

2296
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:45,880
Speaker 4: the most gentle, sweet puppy dog of a guy in

2297
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,680
Speaker 4: real life. So I'm kind of fascinated by how he

2298
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:51,080
Speaker 4: can channel that like inner psychopath, because you think if

2299
02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 4: someone does it that well, are they like secretly a

2300
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:55,920
Speaker 4: really dark person. But I don't think who it is.

2301
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:59,320
Speaker 4: I think he's just like this really dope actor. And

2302
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:03,080
Speaker 4: you know, the combination of him and Ella was like

2303
02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:07,440
Speaker 4: a really formidable pair, and I think she was genuinely

2304
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:09,800
Speaker 4: terrified of him, so a lot of it was just

2305
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:11,600
Speaker 4: kind of reacting for her.

2306
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think some of the stuff that

2307
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:18,680
Speaker 2: you do really brilliantly is building in the power and

2308
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 2: access that he has before we find anything out about

2309
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:25,440
Speaker 2: who he is or what he represents, the moments of

2310
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, in jail, the places that he can open

2311
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,760
Speaker 2: doors to. I mean, that's the scariest thing, is this

2312
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:34,040
Speaker 2: idea that you cannot get away from him, even if

2313
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 2: you're being incarcerated, he can still be there because he

2314
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:39,040
Speaker 2: knows how to open every door.

2315
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,560
Speaker 4: Well, it's relentless. It's a relentless attack. And that's what

2316
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:44,200
Speaker 4: I feel like it feels like to go through this

2317
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:46,960
Speaker 4: as a woman. It feels relentless. You do not get

2318
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:49,400
Speaker 4: a break. There's never a time where you feel like

2319
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:52,640
Speaker 4: I had a great week. You know, you're just always on

2320
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,600
Speaker 4: guard and most of the time scared. And I think

2321
02:13:56,680 --> 02:14:00,320
Speaker 4: even with you know, part of the reason I did

2322
02:14:00,440 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 4: that episode in the jail was because there was a

2323
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 4: there was a man who had tried to rape me

2324
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Speaker 4: in an alley. He was my next door neighbor, and

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02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,200
Speaker 4: he didn't I was able to fight him off, but

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02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 4: I called the police, and you know, a few hours

2327
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 4: later they showed up. He was my neighbor, and they

2328
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:23,560
Speaker 4: took him to jail. And then an hour later I

2329
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:27,240
Speaker 4: saw him again at his house and I said, wait,

2330
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 4: this guy was trying to rape me, but he didn't,

2331
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 4: but was he would have if I wasn't able to

2332
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:35,800
Speaker 4: fight him up. But he didn't, so we can't charge

2333
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:38,400
Speaker 4: him for that. And I thought, wow, the law is

2334
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,160
Speaker 4: not on our side. I do not feel protected and

2335
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:45,360
Speaker 4: I had to get a restraining order and eventually the police,

2336
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 4: which he broke. The police made it my problem, and

2337
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:51,840
Speaker 4: they said you should move. If you're scared, you should move.

2338
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:54,880
Speaker 4: And so here I was. I was, you know, twenty

2339
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:57,160
Speaker 4: five broke, and I had to find a new place

2340
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:00,320
Speaker 4: to live. And as I was leaving that neighborhood, remember

2341
02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:03,360
Speaker 4: looking back and thinking what about all the other women

2342
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:06,320
Speaker 4: walking their dogs, because that's what I was doing when

2343
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 4: he attacked me. I felt like I was leaving them behind.

2344
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 3: You know.

2345
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:13,360
Speaker 4: It was such an odd feeling. So I made flyers

2346
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:17,200
Speaker 4: and like put them on trees, and that was the

2347
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:21,160
Speaker 4: moment where I felt like I am not protected by

2348
02:15:21,800 --> 02:15:24,960
Speaker 4: the law when it comes to this. I don't feel safe.

2349
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's arguably one of the bigger issues

2350
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 2: in the generalized system of like how do you stop

2351
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,560
Speaker 2: a crime? And do the people who are supposed to

2352
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:38,280
Speaker 2: keep us safe actually stop crimes or do they come

2353
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:41,320
Speaker 2: in after things have already happened. One of the other

2354
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 2: things that I found really wonderful about this movie is

2355
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 2: it feels like I've watched a lot of movies, like

2356
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:51,080
Speaker 2: horror movies especially, So I'm not going to make a

2357
02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:55,560
Speaker 2: generalized statement, but to me, it felt very rare to

2358
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:59,080
Speaker 2: see a single mother as a final girl in this movie,

2359
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,880
Speaker 2: or to recognize that a single mother can have a

2360
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:04,320
Speaker 2: sex life, can want to date, and then can also

2361
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,800
Speaker 2: be strong enough to fight off this supernatural threat. So

2362
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:09,560
Speaker 2: could you talk about that choice, because I thought that

2363
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:13,000
Speaker 2: was really kind of Some people might not notice it,

2364
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:14,520
Speaker 2: but to me, I thought that was really powerful.

2365
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,560
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it was a single mother

2366
02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:20,320
Speaker 4: that I didn't want there to be any shame of

2367
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:23,640
Speaker 4: her going into his house after having a date. You know,

2368
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:27,280
Speaker 4: that was her choice. It was a choice I've made

2369
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:29,880
Speaker 4: in the past. I think everyone has made in the past.

2370
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:33,640
Speaker 4: So I'm so glad that you did not judge her,

2371
02:16:33,640 --> 02:16:36,360
Speaker 4: and I hope no one does. But it was really

2372
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:40,040
Speaker 4: important for me and Effie Brown, who's our producer, and

2373
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:43,760
Speaker 4: Ella for there to be a black final woman, you know,

2374
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:48,080
Speaker 4: and I haven't seen a lot of that, and I'm

2375
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:50,760
Speaker 4: really proud that my movie does have that. And we

2376
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:54,119
Speaker 4: collaborated with some really amazing writers on this, Kelly Terrell

2377
02:16:54,200 --> 02:16:58,240
Speaker 4: and Keith Adkins, to really bring the authenticity to that experience.

2378
02:16:58,879 --> 02:17:01,480
Speaker 4: And that's one of the most proud elements I have

2379
02:17:01,560 --> 02:17:03,920
Speaker 4: of the film is that we have a black final girl.

2380
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:08,200
Speaker 4: She's a single mom and She's a complete badass and

2381
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:12,119
Speaker 4: altime isn't you know she In a lot of horror

2382
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:14,720
Speaker 4: films we have the black woman asking the white woman

2383
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:18,160
Speaker 4: are you okay? Like can I do something? Are you okay?

2384
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:20,440
Speaker 4: And then she's killed or something and the white woman

2385
02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:24,840
Speaker 4: goes on to survive. So thank you for noticing that.

2386
02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:27,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I thought it was brilliant. There is

2387
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:29,360
Speaker 2: a I've written a lot about Final Girls and there

2388
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:32,200
Speaker 2: is a distinct lack of black Final Girls and final

2389
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:35,120
Speaker 2: women of color, and it was wonderful to see it. Ella.

2390
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:39,520
Speaker 2: Now Joins are a rare group, which I love. You know.

2391
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:42,200
Speaker 2: It's like Brandy and Sanna Lathan are like two of

2392
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 2: the only ones, so it's pretty rad group to be in.

2393
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2394
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:49,680
Speaker 2: No, I love that, And I love that you went

2395
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:51,960
Speaker 2: out of your way to make sure that it was

2396
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:54,960
Speaker 2: an authentic situation because I feel like in a movie

2397
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:58,360
Speaker 2: where people are fighting off, you know, and we'll do

2398
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 2: a spoiler warning before this, and this will when the

2399
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:02,480
Speaker 2: movie is out so people can watch it afterwards. But

2400
02:18:02,520 --> 02:18:05,120
Speaker 2: when people are fighting kind of vampiric threats, it would

2401
02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:06,920
Speaker 2: be easy to just be like, oh, it's just any

2402
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:10,080
Speaker 2: other experience, It's just any woman. But I think that's

2403
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,400
Speaker 2: why the movie comes off so well is because there

2404
02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:14,320
Speaker 2: was thought put into it on kind of every level,

2405
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:16,680
Speaker 2: from that choice to not show the sexual violence and

2406
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:19,920
Speaker 2: not go the exploitation route to the choice to also

2407
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean, how cool is it to have a movie

2408
02:18:22,400 --> 02:18:24,440
Speaker 2: that they did a very good job not telling me

2409
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:26,880
Speaker 2: anything about this movie? So when I first thought about it,

2410
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:29,360
Speaker 2: I thought it would be kind of like an after Hours,

2411
02:18:29,440 --> 02:18:33,480
Speaker 2: kind of like Journey through the Night, like quite you know,

2412
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:35,480
Speaker 2: then the beginning really is like that where you really

2413
02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:37,800
Speaker 2: feel that horror of the evening. But I think it's

2414
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:42,120
Speaker 2: very cool that it gets to end in this totally

2415
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:45,879
Speaker 2: almost like outrageous supernatural adventure place that we don't get

2416
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:47,840
Speaker 2: to see a lot of women in, let alone a

2417
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:50,000
Speaker 2: lot of black women getting to be in those roles.

2418
02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:52,600
Speaker 2: So could you talk a little bit about that arc

2419
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:56,720
Speaker 2: from this kind of really gritty personal story to exploding

2420
02:18:56,760 --> 02:18:59,080
Speaker 2: it out into this bigger supernatural space.

2421
02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think I you know, this isn't a

2422
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:06,640
Speaker 4: documentary about my experience, Like I wanted this to be

2423
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:10,480
Speaker 4: a really thrilling fun ride. I mean, the biggest compliment

2424
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:13,400
Speaker 4: when people watch this movie is they say, oh my god,

2425
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:16,080
Speaker 4: it was so much fun. Yeah, you know, that's what

2426
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 4: I wanted it to be. It is fun. We have

2427
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:23,240
Speaker 4: great music and sexy lighting and la locations and yeah,

2428
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 4: it goes to a big, crazy place. I love the

2429
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 4: operatic nature of you know, the third act, and it

2430
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:33,280
Speaker 4: felt really right when I was telling it. It kind

2431
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:35,640
Speaker 4: of I kind of wrote it in a fever dream

2432
02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:39,360
Speaker 4: and it was one of those that I wrote very quickly,

2433
02:19:39,440 --> 02:19:41,520
Speaker 4: and as I was writing, I just kept going and

2434
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:45,119
Speaker 4: making it kind of more wild and taking my experience

2435
02:19:45,160 --> 02:19:48,920
Speaker 4: in timesing by multiplying it in front of me to

2436
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:53,800
Speaker 4: create something which I think is really unique. And the

2437
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,680
Speaker 4: collaboration I feel like, you know, f Fie Brown is

2438
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,680
Speaker 4: an incredible producer and she said something that I will

2439
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:02,920
Speaker 4: never forget, which is, you can't make a movie about

2440
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:07,879
Speaker 4: us without us, and that really really rang true for me.

2441
02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:10,360
Speaker 4: So she introduced me to these writers and we had

2442
02:20:10,360 --> 02:20:15,400
Speaker 4: the we had the opportunity, with Amazon's full support, to

2443
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:16,680
Speaker 4: go back into the film.

2444
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

2445
02:20:17,959 --> 02:20:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, really tell it the way that we wanted to

2446
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:25,039
Speaker 4: and in the most authentic way possible. So that's something

2447
02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm also just really proud of and grateful for.

2448
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you sort of you touched on, you know,

2449
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 2: Rosemary's Baby and the idea of like things being scarier

2450
02:20:32,879 --> 02:20:34,400
Speaker 2: when you don't see them. What were some of the

2451
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:39,400
Speaker 2: other horror movies that you kind of revisited and looked

2452
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:41,879
Speaker 2: at when you when you were making Once We out Run.

2453
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still like an eighties baby, so I

2454
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:50,920
Speaker 4: was just watching the John Carpenter films and those are

2455
02:20:50,959 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 4: the ones like that felt so visceral to me. And

2456
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:57,240
Speaker 4: the color palette was so unique, and also our score,

2457
02:20:57,400 --> 02:21:02,840
Speaker 4: who yeah, done by Rob feels like it's like nostalgic

2458
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:08,000
Speaker 4: in the best way. And we all kind of decided

2459
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:12,760
Speaker 4: on this incredibly specific color palette and of the film,

2460
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:16,560
Speaker 4: you know, Ella is constantly in circles and Peleus in

2461
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:19,880
Speaker 4: squares for a more masculine shape. We played a lot

2462
02:21:19,879 --> 02:21:23,480
Speaker 4: around with the colors red and green, and it's a

2463
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:26,400
Speaker 4: very limited color palette, which you know, you just don't

2464
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:29,640
Speaker 4: get to do something is stylized when you're making some

2465
02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:31,080
Speaker 4: of the films that I've made in the past, The

2466
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:33,960
Speaker 4: Little He Loves Stories, it just got me to flex,

2467
02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:36,720
Speaker 4: allow me to flex a different muscle as a director,

2468
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:38,000
Speaker 4: which was so fun.

2469
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that I really loved about

2470
02:21:40,840 --> 02:21:43,959
Speaker 2: the movie that I thought, because this is exactly my

2471
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 2: kind of movie I love. I love all the things

2472
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:49,440
Speaker 2: you talked about the eighties horror. I love movies with

2473
02:21:49,879 --> 02:21:52,880
Speaker 2: strong women but who are actually well written and complex

2474
02:21:53,040 --> 02:21:56,080
Speaker 2: and get to be have different sides to their life.

2475
02:21:56,280 --> 02:21:57,920
Speaker 2: But one of the things that I thought was so

2476
02:21:58,200 --> 02:22:01,880
Speaker 2: cool was the use of run throughout the movie. Like

2477
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,000
Speaker 2: you talk about stylized. That is such a cool, interesting

2478
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,680
Speaker 2: and kind of unexpected choice. It feels a lot more

2479
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:12,240
Speaker 2: like it's from a weird, like Danish kind of house

2480
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:15,039
Speaker 2: like horror. So could you talk a little bit about

2481
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 2: having that there is that kind of visceral reminder of

2482
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:18,959
Speaker 2: what she needs to do.

2483
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:22,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that was one of the most

2484
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:24,880
Speaker 4: controversial aspects of the film. Ve we were making it.

2485
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:28,880
Speaker 4: Our team was very divided into whether we should show

2486
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:32,080
Speaker 4: that or not. And actually when we went to sun Dance,

2487
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:36,480
Speaker 4: it wasn't in the cush And that was always one

2488
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:39,840
Speaker 4: of those things like when Amazon purchased the film and

2489
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:41,920
Speaker 4: we were doing these reshoots, and I was like, do

2490
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,440
Speaker 4: I actually get to get closer to the director's cut?

2491
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,760
Speaker 4: Can I get closer and add some of these things

2492
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:52,040
Speaker 4: back that are really important to me. And one of

2493
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:54,880
Speaker 4: the most things, the thing that I was most excited

2494
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 4: about about those runs is that in the end, it's

2495
02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:02,640
Speaker 4: turned around on him, right, Yeah, And that just felt

2496
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:05,840
Speaker 4: so satisfying to me. And also, you know, I use

2497
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:08,920
Speaker 4: the camera a lot to hide what he's doing, but

2498
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:13,360
Speaker 4: also I thought a character this powerful should control the

2499
02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:17,279
Speaker 4: camera as well. He control what we see at all times,

2500
02:23:17,560 --> 02:23:19,640
Speaker 4: and literally, you know, he has his hands on that

2501
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:21,880
Speaker 4: camera and is moving it to what he wants us

2502
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,920
Speaker 4: to see. And at the end the moment where Ella

2503
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:29,880
Speaker 4: reclaims the camera after his final run, I mean, we

2504
02:23:30,959 --> 02:23:32,680
Speaker 4: tried to figure out how to shoot that one hundred

2505
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:35,960
Speaker 4: million different ways, and that was That was one of

2506
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,480
Speaker 4: those moments when I watched it, and I can't stand

2507
02:23:39,560 --> 02:23:41,840
Speaker 4: watching my own films. I'm like just a mess, and

2508
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:46,760
Speaker 4: I'm only mistakes. I only see mistakes. But when I

2509
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:49,560
Speaker 4: watched that final moment, I like get like the chills.

2510
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:51,959
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I think I did that right. I

2511
02:23:51,959 --> 02:23:52,640
Speaker 4: did that right?

2512
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love to I'm the same. We do this

2513
02:23:54,840 --> 02:23:57,400
Speaker 2: podcast every week and I cannot, for the life of

2514
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:59,760
Speaker 2: me listen to it. If Jason does something by himself,

2515
02:23:59,800 --> 02:24:02,640
Speaker 2: I will listen to that part, but when it's my voice,

2516
02:24:02,680 --> 02:24:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't do it.

2517
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you're so lovely and you just like that's questions.

2518
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:09,279
Speaker 4: You're so good at.

2519
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,240
Speaker 2: This, Thank you. I appreciate that, and you are a

2520
02:24:11,240 --> 02:24:14,160
Speaker 2: wonderful filmmaker. But I feel like it's just inside us.

2521
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:17,879
Speaker 4: I remember a Thanksgiving I did a film called Country

2522
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:20,760
Speaker 4: Strong way back and it was on like you know,

2523
02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:23,640
Speaker 4: Netflix again, and someone's like, oh, you're strong. So I'm

2524
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:28,440
Speaker 4: just like, like everybody looked at me, like what's going on.

2525
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:31,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I see my films once, like when I

2526
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:33,640
Speaker 4: make my final edit, and then I never can watch

2527
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:34,000
Speaker 4: it again.

2528
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a wild it's a wild situation

2529
02:24:37,720 --> 02:24:40,120
Speaker 2: that we're all in. Hopefully the next generation will be

2530
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,320
Speaker 2: able to love. That will be the one good thing

2531
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,560
Speaker 2: about like TikTok and Instagram is they will actually be

2532
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:45,760
Speaker 2: able to enjoy this stuff.

2533
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:48,520
Speaker 4: They may totally agree.

2534
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:51,440
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the screening tonight. You've obviously you've

2535
02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:53,280
Speaker 2: already screened a version of it at sun Dance, but

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Speaker 2: soon it's going to be out there for everyone to

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Speaker 2: see on you know, one of the biggest platforms. Is

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Speaker 2: there anything that you're kind of most excited for people

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Speaker 2: to see.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm really excited for people to see once again.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm an actor's director, and I'm excited

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02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:10,560
Speaker 4: about performances. You know, we have working with Showry, this cast,

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02:25:11,080 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 4: Dio and Clark and Betsy, we just have everybody brought it.

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02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:17,640
Speaker 4: You know, they just brought it and it was so

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Speaker 4: fun directing them. So I'm really excited to show everybody

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02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:24,040
Speaker 4: the performances and to also get such a wide platform

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Speaker 4: for this movie. Is it freaks me out, like if

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02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:29,320
Speaker 4: I talk about it too much that like people all

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02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:33,000
Speaker 4: the world will be watching this movie. But I'm just

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02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:37,360
Speaker 4: excited to have found a way to tell a personal

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02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:39,640
Speaker 4: but really fun, thrilling horror film.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wonderful. And when we interview people, if we

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02:25:43,480 --> 02:25:45,879
Speaker 2: get the chance of them, we sort of say to them, like,

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Speaker 2: what's the one piece of media where it can be

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02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:52,480
Speaker 2: a book or a comic or a movie. If you

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02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:55,280
Speaker 2: could just keep one piece forever that kind of led

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02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:57,040
Speaker 2: you on and you could just only keep one what

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Speaker 2: would it be?

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, that's hard question to answer, but I think

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Speaker 4: it would probably be the film five easy pieces for me.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow. So I love, love love a good anti

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Speaker 4: hero and I love the storytelling back then, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's what it would be for me.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much, and I just

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02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. It

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Speaker 2: was really wonderful. And congrats on the movie.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you. Thank you

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Speaker 4: very much.

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Speaker 1: You big thanks to Seanna Feste and Rosie Knight for

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Speaker 1: joining us on an X ray vision. Rosie, what do

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Speaker 1: you have to plug?

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's coming up to the holiday season. I will plug.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about and or I will plug.

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Speaker 2: Do some mutual aid. Find out what your mutual aid

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02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:45,960
Speaker 2: networks are if you are in LA. There's so many

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Speaker 2: brilliant places that you can do home me made meals,

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02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:52,240
Speaker 2: you can drive, you can drop off food, check out.

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02:26:52,760 --> 02:26:55,160
Speaker 2: I share a lot of different spaces where, even if

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Speaker 2: you don't live in LA, you can donate money, find

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Speaker 2: out how you can help people who live around you. Drives,

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02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:03,920
Speaker 2: baby stuff, all that kind of stuff always needed. And

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02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:06,440
Speaker 2: there's loads of great people in your neighborhood already doing it.

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02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:08,320
Speaker 2: So I'm sure if you search mutual age you'll be

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02:27:08,320 --> 02:27:10,200
Speaker 2: able to find it. I share a lot of resources

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02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:12,680
Speaker 2: do that. It will make you feel really good for

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and hopefully you can make it something that is

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Speaker 2: part of your regular life as you go forward into

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Speaker 2: the new year. And as always, you're going to find

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Speaker 2: me here and Rosie marks on social media.

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Speaker 1: LA Community Fridges the other one that I support. I

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02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:29,840
Speaker 1: think it's great. There's a list again if you're in

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02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:32,600
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area, there's a list of various goods,

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02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 1: mostly pantry goods, hygiene products that communities need that you

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02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:38,520
Speaker 1: can drop off at these various locations and they really

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02:27:38,600 --> 02:27:41,240
Speaker 1: really help people and it kind of cuts out the

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Speaker 1: middle person.

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Speaker 2: That's a great one.

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Speaker 1: You were helping people directly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Community Fridges is great because you can go

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02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:49,960
Speaker 2: there any time whenever it works for you. You don't

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02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,600
Speaker 2: have to schedule it. You can just go there drop

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Speaker 2: stuff off, you can help clean the fridge. That is

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02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:55,720
Speaker 2: a great call. And I'm sure that there are people

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Speaker 2: around the country also doing other similar community fridge programs.

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Speaker 1: Our next episode on November eleventh is the Big MCU

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Speaker 1: Wakanda for Black Panther Wakanda Forever. We're going to Wakanda.

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Speaker 1: We're picking up the Vibranium episode. Very excited to see

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Speaker 1: this movie. I can't wait because I just can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the show on YouTube, follow it at XRV

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Speaker 1: pod on Twitter, and check out our discord to meet

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Speaker 1: and hang out with other fans who are listening to

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Speaker 1: the show like yourself. We want to discuss some of

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Speaker 1: the things that we talk about here on the show

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02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:37,119
Speaker 1: in a environment that is safe and where you can

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02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:41,720
Speaker 1: meet other people who feel and think like yourselves. Wonderful

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Speaker 1: conversations there, Rosie and I are, They're interacting with everybody.

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Speaker 1: Come see us. Five star ratings. We love them, we

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Speaker 1: need them. We got to have the five star reviews.

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Speaker 1: Here's one from Judson f Jason and Rosie Rule. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Rosie and Jason are great together and separate.

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Speaker 1: It's refreshing to hear their enthusiasm and knowledge regarding all

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Speaker 1: the media we love so great. Thank you, Judsons. X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show is

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Speaker 1: produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard are editing and

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Speaker 1: sound designers by Vascillias Photopoulos, Dylon Villanueva and Matt de

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Speaker 1: Group provide video production. Support, Alex Reroller for handles social media.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian Vesquez for theme music. Thank you all.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you later. Goody, Hey, Mike, I'm here to

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Speaker 1: talk about my guys saw Gerera today.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think a lot of people thought maybe

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02:29:35,080 --> 02:29:37,800
Speaker 5: Saw I Saw gone too far, particularly and look at

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Speaker 5: during the Clone Wars period, people like saw you know,

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02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:44,240
Speaker 5: a little two extreme folks. He's too many crazy things.

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Speaker 5: And certainly leading up to the Battle of Yavin, when

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Speaker 5: Sauw was using Borgulla to uh, you know, just kind

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Speaker 5: of read people's minds, maybe in not exactly a way

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Speaker 5: that it was kind of kind to people. Certainly, maybe

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Speaker 5: some people might have said that was torture. Well, I

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Speaker 5: gotta tell you what, Mike, with the latest things that

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Speaker 5: have been revealed about the Empire, we all understand that

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Speaker 5: maybe boor Gutlet was the kind of response that you

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Speaker 5: had to make. Considering the genocidal tapes that the imperior

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Speaker 5: Forces are playing for the people that they're trying to

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Speaker 5: torture to gain information from, Mike, is some of the

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Speaker 5: worst things I've ever heard of my life, Mike. And

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you I watched the.

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Speaker 1: Yankees lose this season and I listened to Michael K

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02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, call every single game. I thought I'd never

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Speaker 1: hear anything worse than that, Mike. And then I heard

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02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:41,040
Speaker 1: about the Dens and Knight, the massacre by the Imperial

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Speaker 1: Forces and the way they recorded those tapes and they

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Speaker 1: play them for people to break their minds.

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Speaker 5: Mike, I think it's terrible. I'll take my hands off

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Speaker 5: the air.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,