Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is Part two. Doug describes a journey to becoming
Speaker 2: hip hop star and one of the world's greatest entertainers.
Speaker 2: I really like this episode and you will too. I
Speaker 2: have a question about the Oh my God record.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I know that we're in a whole different time period now,
Speaker 1: So having grown up in Reagan's America, which was heavily Christian, conservative,
Speaker 1: more you know, moral majority, all those things, I can
Speaker 1: see I had a different opinion of it when I
Speaker 1: first heard it, and of course thirty years later, opinions
Speaker 1: have changed, and we now live in a time period
Speaker 1: where like we believe that you know, in his choice
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But you know, even before Common did retrospect
Speaker 1: for life, I remember like how big the abortion song
Speaker 1: was on your first album. So what was the what
Speaker 1: was the what was the because the thing is like
Speaker 1: on that on that debut record of yours. The two
Speaker 1: things that my two takeaways was definitely you know, play
Speaker 1: this only at night really truly could have been given
Speaker 1: Moments in Love a run for its money.
Speaker 2: But like the first New.
Speaker 1: Jack kind of you know, slow join right, and I
Speaker 1: just at that point I never heard a rapper really
Speaker 1: get topical about anything that wasn't just street conditions or
Speaker 1: you know, violence on you know, like day to day violence.
Speaker 1: Like you just never heard the rapper rapping about abortion?
Speaker 1: What what prompted you? What prompted you to even go there?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 2: You know because back then.
Speaker 3: It was you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well well I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you two things. And that's a beautiful question.
Speaker 3: I like how you slipped that, And I like how
Speaker 3: you did that.
Speaker 4: That was so stupid, and I haven't forgot about.
Speaker 3: You know, we get to trust me, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: but look what happened was, as you know hip hop,
Speaker 3: the expression is raw.
Speaker 4: All the Way to Heaven is the first song ever
Speaker 4: dedicated to God.
Speaker 3: That's before Jesus walk, that's before anybody ever did it.
Speaker 3: It was a chance, it was. All the Way to
Speaker 3: Heaven was created because we were happy. We were happy
Speaker 3: about what God has given to us. So so when
Speaker 3: I'm saying different, can.
Speaker 1: I can I just briefly issue if you for one
Speaker 1: second and maybe you could double this answer, because I
Speaker 1: swear to God I would I would have killed myself
Speaker 1: if I didn't ask this question.
Speaker 2: Speaking of All the Way to Heaven can you please.
Speaker 1: I think I heard you explain this once on a
Speaker 1: radio show back in like eighty six, and I.
Speaker 2: Could not never find this quote.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the the the the the logic you
Speaker 1: had with creating the show as far as its spiritual element,
Speaker 1: Like I think I heard you say one time where
Speaker 1: you like, so no, no, no, you mentioned something about like like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like he purposely chows, oh my god,
Speaker 1: sound body with a six six six six minutes thing,
Speaker 1: even like is he real?
Speaker 2: Like it's I thought I read this. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I dreamed or.
Speaker 4: Not if you say is it real? Fast? Right? So
Speaker 4: that's that's right.
Speaker 3: That was how and and oh my god, you know
Speaker 3: and kind of like you know a lot of things
Speaker 3: for me hopping through dreams, Like even the show came
Speaker 3: to me in a dream. It was like I woke
Speaker 3: up and something told me to do it, the same
Speaker 3: way I just did this new project about Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: It's like this is happened to me, No, but it happens.
Speaker 3: It's a real interesting way that artists create. So what
Speaker 3: I did, oh my God is a real I told
Speaker 3: Barer and Will and they was like, how you're going
Speaker 3: to have us cut these two things at the same time.
Speaker 4: I said, trust me, it's going to work.
Speaker 3: And when they started cutting it, it just became that
Speaker 3: was I consciously thinking about the creator. I can't really
Speaker 3: say I was. It was just something that was making
Speaker 3: me do this. Now, a lot of people thought that
Speaker 3: when it was saying six minutes, it was worshiping the devil,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't none of that. It was just that
Speaker 3: it was a kind of a cool thing in a
Speaker 3: way where if you listen.
Speaker 4: I'm more of a rhyme style list.
Speaker 3: So when I'm doing something, it's never gonna be what
Speaker 3: you believe it should be. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 3: the greatest rapp up. I'm trying to convey an idea
Speaker 3: and that's.
Speaker 4: My main focus. So six minutes, six minutes, six minutes,
Speaker 4: Doggi versa.
Speaker 3: It's it became kind of like or like no no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no, we didn't no no no.
Speaker 4: No no no no no. See, like it's not a rhyme.
Speaker 4: And then and then if you're think about the show
Speaker 4: when it's going on and in the back you can hear.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But because because all of these different pieces.
Speaker 3: Kind of like it was more it was changing the
Speaker 3: way and a hip hop artists were to approach things.
Speaker 3: I was changing what you considered to be hip hop.
Speaker 3: I wanted you to expand. I wanted you to think
Speaker 3: that you can't. You don't need just one DJ. You
Speaker 3: can use two, you can use three. I wanted you
Speaker 3: to think about listen to the rom it's all because
Speaker 3: put a song in a rock me shall like, let's
Speaker 3: do something different, because you gotta be flashed to rock
Speaker 3: with and I'm known for the not like, let's let's
Speaker 3: play at the end of the song. I'm doing as
Speaker 3: you can see most definitely, I'm not rhyming.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you. We are like like it's it's
Speaker 4: it's changing.
Speaker 1: A spiritual song is like the show hip hop's first
Speaker 1: spiritual song or with see.
Speaker 3: I think that in its own way, organically it probably
Speaker 3: was without without consciously doing it, okay.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I consciously did everything that way.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I was driven to do that,
Speaker 3: you know, and then all the way to heaven, me
Speaker 3: and Rick was going to do together. So when I
Speaker 3: made on my guard, I was in a very I
Speaker 3: was in a state where I was feeling bad because
Speaker 3: of the way I had to keep this thing going,
Speaker 3: because I thought me and them together was really good,
Speaker 3: and I felt like I was disappointing a lot of
Speaker 3: the people who loved the chemistry. So I was in
Speaker 3: a position where I felt like I had to keep moving,
Speaker 3: and I know that some people would would take it
Speaker 3: a different way.
Speaker 4: But I also felt all the way to Heaven was important.
Speaker 3: Because I felt like, how can I go from this
Speaker 3: point forward and not give thanks to the creator for
Speaker 3: what was done. I'm a guy that saved up this money,
Speaker 3: went in there, made these records. A dude owed me money.
Speaker 3: I went to the studio at my friend's house. I
Speaker 3: made this up and it exploded, and it's one of
Speaker 3: those stories that nobody would ever believe is true.
Speaker 4: So I'm thankful.
Speaker 3: And even though me and Rick got our issues or
Speaker 3: things wasn't working out, I'm still thankful. So then I
Speaker 3: also felt that a song like abortion, the baby on
Speaker 3: that record is being born, and that's Banard's right, that's
Speaker 3: Banard writes Son. He went into the room, he was
Speaker 3: in the room when his wife had the baby, and
Speaker 3: I said recorded, I said recorded, I want that on
Speaker 3: my record. He said, I'm coming back with it. He
Speaker 3: went in there with the recorder. The baby was crying,
Speaker 3: and I put it on the top of the song.
Speaker 4: Now why did I do that?
Speaker 3: I did that because I felt at that particular time
Speaker 3: that this is the most beautiful thing in the world.
Speaker 4: This is my son. You know, I'm here because of this.
Speaker 3: So I felt that that topic and that thought process
Speaker 3: was one that I felt very strong about. And then
Speaker 3: I had a girlfriend and that happened, and when it happened,
Speaker 3: it affected me. And when it affected me, I wrote
Speaker 3: about it the same way. I wrote she was that
Speaker 3: type of girl. I wrote about it same way. All
Speaker 3: the Way to Heaven I wrote about it same way.
Speaker 3: Nothing is about people smoking crack and things happening in
Speaker 3: the community.
Speaker 4: I wrote about it. Play this only at night was
Speaker 4: the condition that I seen Harlem.
Speaker 3: Harlem was like night of the living bass heads on steroids, bro.
Speaker 4: So I wrote about it.
Speaker 3: So the music was was was explaining what was going on,
Speaker 3: and I didn't I didn't think nobody might get it
Speaker 3: like I got it, But I felt like I.
Speaker 4: Needed to give it to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And even with loving every minute, I think that was
Speaker 3: my first introduction to seeing Chuck Brown live at the
Speaker 3: Capital Center. So I was so influenced by that energy.
Speaker 3: I came back and wrote loving every minute of it
Speaker 3: with the Go Go track in it. So I was
Speaker 3: just once again. But see, it goes back to honesty.
Speaker 3: I know that honesty. You know, honesty is not always appreciated,
Speaker 3: and it's not always good, and it's not always good
Speaker 3: when when the timming is off, sometimes it can callt
Speaker 3: I tell people truth out of season can be destructive.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But then there's a fearlessness in telling truth. So when
Speaker 3: I was putting records together, it was my truth, and
Speaker 3: it was a fearlessness that I felt I'm gonna deal
Speaker 3: with with coming When I would play the records at
Speaker 3: the party or something and they get to that record
Speaker 3: of Bots, I'm like, man, I.
Speaker 4: Know they hate me for this song.
Speaker 3: I know they are, I said, but I said, but
Speaker 3: you know what I said, But yoe, man, this is
Speaker 3: where I'm not with it.
Speaker 4: This is how I feel.
Speaker 5: I appreciate your honesty. And also, you know, sometimes as
Speaker 5: fans we have to allow our artists to evolve, especially
Speaker 5: if they started young. We did it for common so.
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean, back back in eighty five. That
Speaker 1: was the modus operandi. Wait, I have one more show question,
Speaker 1: and again I got it. This the intro to the show. Right,
Speaker 1: was your inspiration behind that? The whiz the gold, yellow Green?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I knew, absolutely no question.
Speaker 3: And when I did it, I said, I said, I said,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to be better. I said, I want
Speaker 3: to feel that. I said, but I used to love
Speaker 3: when Richard prob Gold is the I changed my gold
Speaker 3: color colored. Now children, when every time you get received right?
Speaker 4: And so after I said, I wanted to be big,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I felt with a
Speaker 3: lot of hip hop songs was they never I always
Speaker 3: felt like and I guess maybe the influence came from
Speaker 3: super rapping, but it was a Friday night everybody like
Speaker 3: I felt like, if a song is coming on, it
Speaker 3: has to make me feel like like you taking.
Speaker 4: Me someplace, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So the show was the first record that I was
Speaker 3: able to get out all of my ideas the way
Speaker 3: I wanted to. And because I went through so many,
Speaker 3: you know, situations with not being able.
Speaker 4: To express my ideas to the fullest, it was.
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna put up my own money and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna express my ideas my own way, and that horn
Speaker 3: in the beginning was inspired definitely by the waiz Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, so question, here's the fact that I did not know.
Speaker 1: Because if you're not getting the record, at least in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, if you're not buying the album, this
Speaker 1: is before the CD generation, causetts really aren't giving you
Speaker 1: liner notes. So I think maybe he revealed this to
Speaker 1: me four years ago. I had no idea that the
Speaker 1: Bomb Squad was kind of the production unit behind your
Speaker 1: second album, World's Greatest Entertainer on two songs.
Speaker 2: Well even there period, and if you look at it,
Speaker 2: keep rising to the top.
Speaker 1: Really isn't when you get squad soundy right because different samples,
Speaker 1: though it is kind of you know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean no, I'm gonna tell you the song
Speaker 3: once again, the same way I acknowledged Seddi Roley, I
Speaker 3: acknowledged the Bomb Squad, and I met Chuck d on
Speaker 3: tour and I would and I would help them with
Speaker 3: the performance when Public Enemy was performing, because they was
Speaker 3: opening up for us, so I would help him with
Speaker 3: his performance. I would say, Yo, you gotta let the
Speaker 3: s one w's move. You gotta get you in flavored.
Speaker 3: I to exchange the energy. So we started. He was
Speaker 3: just listening to me and he would try it out,
Speaker 3: and I said, Griff could do this part. And I
Speaker 3: was sitting there and we'd come together. And then he
Speaker 3: started telling me how he was a part of this
Speaker 3: bomb squad and he said, Yo, you should get with
Speaker 3: us and talk with us a little bit.
Speaker 4: I said, I got this.
Speaker 3: Joint that I want to do, man, and it's I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's in hip hop. Nobody's ever really done
Speaker 3: a joint like this. I said, but I think it's
Speaker 3: going to take it to another place. And he said,
Speaker 3: all right, well.
Speaker 4: Why did you hook up with us? So I came
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 3: I came to Hank Shockley with rising to the top,
Speaker 3: and then I said, let me hear some drum sounds
Speaker 3: the same way I did at Teddy's house.
Speaker 4: So I banged out the beat.
Speaker 3: So I took the samp and he had all the
Speaker 3: right stock sounds because their sounds was incredible. And then
Speaker 3: Eric Sidler, when I was I said, I said, I
Speaker 3: wanted to hear.
Speaker 4: To Doom to Doom to Doom to Doom right right
Speaker 4: and I wanted that kind of.
Speaker 3: Feeling that that I honestly got to say, I got
Speaker 3: inspired by when I heard Nobody Beat the Biz.
Speaker 4: When I heard.
Speaker 3: Thoomommom Tom Tom Tomy that came on.
Speaker 4: That was crazy. That was crazy.
Speaker 3: And then I said, I want to put chords at
Speaker 3: the end of it. And then I remember everybody was
Speaker 3: laughing at me in the studio.
Speaker 4: They said, Yo, people are gonna be coming.
Speaker 3: Out with their smoking jackets. Yo.
Speaker 2: Rising to the Top is the first.
Speaker 6: That's the first forty five that I bought, like with
Speaker 6: my own money for myself, I think.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: My grandmother took me to the record store.
Speaker 6: I bought Tougher than Leather and the Rising to the
Speaker 6: Top forty five, and I ended up because on the
Speaker 6: forty five it was Rising to the Top was on
Speaker 6: the A and then on the other side it was
Speaker 6: the instrumental. Right, And so I without doing I'll just
Speaker 6: say I listened to Rising to the Top way more
Speaker 6: than I.
Speaker 4: Listened to.
Speaker 2: That is. I love that song, man, I love that record.
Speaker 5: Why do I The first time I seen like Dougie,
Speaker 5: do your dance to that song? Right?
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, that's when I introduced that's but because I because
Speaker 3: I came up with the Dougie and I didn't call
Speaker 3: it that. I was just doing it right, and he
Speaker 3: was I was just doing Douggie. And then that was
Speaker 3: the introduction to the dance that turned into a whole
Speaker 3: nother situation which I can't even I mean out of the.
Speaker 2: Field even had the White House. I'm cool to see
Speaker 2: that dance get to the White House.
Speaker 4: Yo. Let me tell you quest.
Speaker 3: I was up there taking a picture with the first
Speaker 3: Lady and I said, very nice to meet you, first Lady.
Speaker 4: She said, I just want to ask you one question.
Speaker 4: Am I doing the Dougie?
Speaker 3: Yes? Because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I said, I said,
Speaker 3: I said, I never seen it done better.
Speaker 4: I never seen it done better.
Speaker 5: And you want to go, You've been to the White
Speaker 5: House a few times doing that doing that that era
Speaker 5: because I feel like a White House doing Easter. And
Speaker 5: I saw Dougie Fresh walking out like I live here.
Speaker 3: I'm right right right because I was doing I got
Speaker 3: this foundation called Hip Hop Public Health, so we was
Speaker 3: performing and and and then I did the song for
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama Let's Move the whole campaign, So I did
Speaker 3: the theme song for that, and that our Organization team
Speaker 3: in with him for we did. We started fighting childhood
Speaker 3: o B City high blood fresher seeing the symptoms of
Speaker 3: when a person has a stroke. And we've been doing
Speaker 3: this work for the past thirteen to fifteen years, like
Speaker 3: teaching people how to eat, you know, trying to give
Speaker 3: them some kind of understanding of you know, watching what
Speaker 3: you eat and the effects of it. You if you're
Speaker 3: eating stuff that's not right. So you know, Michelle Obama
Speaker 3: when she said she was going to do it, hey,
Speaker 3: I said, where do I sign up?
Speaker 4: And then I just started to do the song.
Speaker 3: So you know that's what it's all about, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 5: That made me think when you said you was talking
Speaker 5: to Biz about his health, you was really talking to
Speaker 5: Biz about his health.
Speaker 3: I went hard on him, meaning just not not hard
Speaker 3: in a bad way, but I kept telling them, you know, Biz, yo,
Speaker 3: we got to make sure that you know, you watch
Speaker 3: what you eat, and you know, these starches turn the
Speaker 3: sugar and sugar turns the fact if you get diabetes,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough. And I say, you know, and
Speaker 3: I would take him out and he would be DJing
Speaker 3: sometime and he would be right. He would almost pass
Speaker 3: out on the set and we would have to catch him,
Speaker 3: and then I'd be like, bizz, you gotta stop this,
Speaker 3: you gotta get And then he started getting controlled and
Speaker 3: I posted something where he lost on stage. He lost
Speaker 3: like seventy five eighty pounds, and then after he did that,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, non, now this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: And then when the pandemic happened and he sat home
Speaker 3: for a while, you know, like most people, they sat
Speaker 3: home and they just started to you know, snack here
Speaker 3: not then soil he wasn't paying attention right, And then
Speaker 3: what he did is he caught a diabetic stroke. He
Speaker 3: caught a seizure, and he got a diabetic stroke. And
Speaker 3: then when he went to the hospital when he had
Speaker 3: the stroke, you know, his stroke is the number one
Speaker 3: disabilitating disease in the world. So he wasn't able to
Speaker 3: talk or he wasn't able to to move, like he
Speaker 3: couldn't move. So we kept trying to send them flyers.
Speaker 3: I would get on there, telling them jokes. Me and
Speaker 3: his wife would be up there snapping with him and
Speaker 3: doing the things that we normally would do to pull
Speaker 3: him out of it. And then he would show signs
Speaker 3: that he's coming out of it, and then there would
Speaker 3: be times when he goes down.
Speaker 4: And and it really bothered me. Man.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm hoping that what happened to him
Speaker 3: is making everybody aware of it can happen to any
Speaker 3: one of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And everybody loved this. This was such a bright spirit,
Speaker 4: right personality, you know.
Speaker 3: So to see him leave at such a you know,
Speaker 3: a young age, it bothered me.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm glad that these two brothers on this show,
Speaker 5: they talk about health all the time and they held
Speaker 5: help each other accountable.
Speaker 3: So I love it. You love it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: When I heard y'all talk, and I was loving it, bro,
Speaker 3: I was loving on some real conversation.
Speaker 4: I know it's about me, but it's really about y'all.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I was loving it, and I like. I like how
Speaker 3: y'all are supporting each other, because that's where we go wrong.
Speaker 4: We believe, we believe.
Speaker 3: That we got to go through this by ourselves.
Speaker 4: And we don't. We don't.
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes you need your man to check you a
Speaker 3: little bit or you know, or challenge you and turn
Speaker 3: it into a game so it's not so so serious,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And you know and looking
Speaker 3: sometimes even if you fall off on something, you know,
Speaker 3: if you got a good team of people around you,
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 4: Get yourself back on it.
Speaker 3: But I just think that diabetes is such a bizarre
Speaker 3: disease because you don't really realize when your sugar's up
Speaker 3: and you're not checking it, and your sugar could be
Speaker 3: an eight hundred and you walking around feeling good and
Speaker 3: out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Bull it takes you out.
Speaker 2: Where's your number one?
Speaker 5: What's your number? With your number?
Speaker 3: Steve?
Speaker 5: See he see what? You don't know why you have
Speaker 5: this conversation. We got somebody in our collective that has
Speaker 5: sugar issues. And I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: The two black ones.
Speaker 2: That one surprisingly nah. But Doug, you are the You're
Speaker 2: the poster boy for like agent and hip hop.
Speaker 6: Like you are, I mean, like yo man, like just
Speaker 6: watching you over the years and just watching the way
Speaker 6: you've taken care of yourself and the wave it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah man.
Speaker 6: The regimen or something like what's your what's your diet? Like,
Speaker 6: what what's like what's your day to day?
Speaker 3: Well, my day to day is I usually try to
Speaker 3: run and then and then I got this program where
Speaker 3: I run and then I may walk because a lot
Speaker 3: of people want to estimate walking.
Speaker 4: See this is the problem.
Speaker 2: How here you go?
Speaker 3: Walking is and it's a fascinating exercise because it actually
Speaker 3: gives you time to think things through and when you're
Speaker 3: looking at them, you know, you start.
Speaker 4: To figure out different things. If you're listening to music.
Speaker 3: Or whatever way you want to do it, if you're
Speaker 3: walking with a friend, you'll be surprised how much you
Speaker 3: burn it. So what I do is I walk, I run,
Speaker 3: I ride the bike, and I do a lot of
Speaker 3: making sure I'm not letting nobody stress me out. And
Speaker 3: I think we got lost with that one. I think
Speaker 3: that's the one that everybody's failing on, or a lot
Speaker 3: of people because we so goal oriented that we want
Speaker 3: to be the best, We want this to be the greatest,
Speaker 3: we want this, we want that that we start to
Speaker 3: put our health behind us instead of keeping it as
Speaker 3: number one. And then when you look at health, it
Speaker 3: should be in this order. This is my order, and
Speaker 3: I study this order. Number one is rest sleep. If
Speaker 3: you don't get that you're done, you can't operate, You
Speaker 3: make mistakes, you talk crazy, you short fuse everything. It
Speaker 3: just turns into something else when you don't get no rest.
Speaker 3: Number two is your nutrition. You gotta eat to live,
Speaker 3: not live to eat. You gotta think about what you eat.
Speaker 3: And if you got sugar, you gotta check that sugar.
Speaker 3: You have to so that you can gauge your numbers.
Speaker 4: If you like something.
Speaker 3: That's a a starch, ain't saying you can't have it,
Speaker 3: but maybe you gotta earn it.
Speaker 4: Maybe you gotta maybe, maybe you gotta earn that.
Speaker 3: Let's earn it, let's run it right, and then when
Speaker 3: you do it, maybe maybe you earned half of that.
Speaker 3: You know, if that's if that's a game you want
Speaker 3: to play. But you can't just have that starch. Don't walk,
Speaker 3: don't run, be up all night and then drink sweet juices,
Speaker 3: or be you setting yourself up for something that you
Speaker 3: I have no idea. It's crazy. And then the third one,
Speaker 3: it's some exercise. But the exercise don't have to be
Speaker 3: that you're working out like you trying to be, you.
Speaker 4: Know, a football player. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 4: don't have to be that crazy. If you're walking, you're
Speaker 4: getting on a treadmill. You want to walk in your body,
Speaker 4: that's it that's it.
Speaker 3: And then after you do it and you start seeing
Speaker 3: how you feel, you're going to be happy to do
Speaker 3: it because it's making you happy. And then while you're
Speaker 3: doing that, you rest, You're energetic. You know, you got
Speaker 3: eight hours sleep or seven hours whatever you need, and
Speaker 3: then you ate something that gave you a nice amount
Speaker 3: of energy, and then you go out there.
Speaker 4: And work out.
Speaker 3: Yo, you did all of the things that you could
Speaker 3: do to survive on this planet a little bit more.
Speaker 4: But if you just be reckless.
Speaker 1: Slight confession time, slight confession. I love it, No, definitely.
Speaker 1: I When it got colder, you know, well, okay, so
Speaker 1: so the deal.
Speaker 2: The deal is basically getting dark at four o'clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Rick Ruven was on the show, he made me
Speaker 1: he was my accountability partner, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: doing like ten thousand steps a day every day, and
Speaker 1: then around mid September I started falling off. Now, when
Speaker 1: I hear something five, when I hear from five different
Speaker 1: sources the same message, then I'm like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta get so you're officially it started this morning
Speaker 1: with my.
Speaker 2: Mom, Are you walking like you to me?
Speaker 4: Are you lying to me?
Speaker 3: Grace?
Speaker 1: Same thing like literally four people got on me about okay, now,
Speaker 1: like how you doing. You're still sticking to your plan
Speaker 1: or you you've fallen off a little bit in the
Speaker 1: in the winter, And I was like, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: get back on it next week, all right, cool, I
Speaker 1: gotta get back my ten thousand steps a day join
Speaker 1: because I felt I went from ten thousand util like
Speaker 1: four thousand school. I'll just do like ten blocks and
Speaker 1: walk back home. So right, I gotta get back on
Speaker 1: my join.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 3: And that's how the Creator work because all of us
Speaker 3: are saying things to you.
Speaker 4: And I always say this now too, don't get caught
Speaker 4: up in the messenger.
Speaker 3: Just hear the message message because you may not you
Speaker 3: if you get caught up in the messenger, you may
Speaker 3: not hear that message. And that message can be coming
Speaker 3: from a little baby, It could be coming from a mother.
Speaker 3: It can be coming from a person that you don't like,
Speaker 3: but they said something that was really important for you
Speaker 3: to hear. If you got five different people. Sometimes and
Speaker 3: we get caught up on how to.
Speaker 4: Create this community.
Speaker 3: The Creator communicates through us and he says things to
Speaker 3: us to say to somebody that maybe if that person
Speaker 3: can bypass who's the person saying it and just hear
Speaker 3: the message. A lot can come out of that, because
Speaker 3: what's the odds of me having this conversation with y'all
Speaker 3: right now on this and it has nothing to do
Speaker 3: for what we're talking about. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: But it has everything to do for what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: The brother on here with diabetes, or me talking about
Speaker 3: how I've seen it with biz, or you watch so
Speaker 3: many of us, so many of us lose ourselves or
Speaker 3: pass away transition just.
Speaker 4: Because we don't make little, minor adjustments. It don't have
Speaker 4: to be extreme. It's like I always.
Speaker 3: Say, if if a person does a little, they don't
Speaker 3: even have to really do a lot. But if you
Speaker 3: just stay consistent at it and if you just keep this, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: like nobody ain't trying to make you. I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to make you work out to where you know you
Speaker 3: pass out.
Speaker 4: But you know you know you got it ass your ass.
Speaker 4: You gotta move it. You gotta move it, man.
Speaker 1: I do want to get key parts of your career
Speaker 1: out before we run out of time, which.
Speaker 2: We gotta talk about. There's a lot we gotta talk about.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, the Hammer, We're gonna do Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we gotta talk about do what I
Speaker 1: Gotta do?
Speaker 4: Right right right? Well all right then yeah, yeah we're
Speaker 4: gon We're going to We're going to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the decision behind like what the key give
Speaker 1: us the atmosphere or or or or what it was
Speaker 1: like under the umbrella of Busted Productions with Hammer Beautiful
Speaker 1: doing what I Gotta Do great really should have been
Speaker 1: way bigger for you.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well another great lesson what happened with that
Speaker 4: project is I felt that when I came out with
Speaker 4: World's Greatest Entertainer, I felt really good about my album.
Speaker 4: I felt that that album was made in a way
Speaker 4: where I was trying to show people different dimensions about,
Speaker 4: you know, my growth and about hip hop. Like when
Speaker 4: I did Africa, and when I went to Africa in
Speaker 4: eighty seven, hip hop wasn't in Africa. I was the
Speaker 4: first dude to run over there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I was in Senegal, the car, Gambia, Gory Island. I
Speaker 4: wrote the song over there. Yeah that's what Africa. That
Speaker 4: last song on World's Greatest Entertainer called Africa. Heavyd used
Speaker 4: to love that song, and Rod Kim loved that song.
Speaker 3: But what happened is that I felt that the label
Speaker 3: really at that point didn't get my vision when I
Speaker 3: first started with him, and the thing happened with me
Speaker 3: and Rick, I think it took some steam out of
Speaker 3: him and he started trying to figure it out. But
Speaker 3: Rizzo to the top of such a great record, cut
Speaker 3: that zero. I felt on this Trump could have done
Speaker 3: a lot better. I think people slept on that. A
Speaker 3: lot of people liked to guess, So it was a
Speaker 3: lot of different things that I didn't feel my label God,
Speaker 3: which I think a lot of us felt at points
Speaker 3: in our career. So I signed with Dick Scott Management,
Speaker 3: who was managing New Kids on the Block, and he
Speaker 3: would fund me to go to the studio and make
Speaker 3: some records. And while I was doing that, Hammer and
Speaker 3: his brother heard I was no longer I was looking
Speaker 3: to get out of Reality Records. So, long story short,
Speaker 3: I got with his brother, Louis Barrell. Lewis didn't know
Speaker 3: that reggae was coming. I was telling him, I said, Yo,
Speaker 3: reggae is on fire, bro, But he was feeling like
Speaker 3: that don't mean nothing, because I'm getting this. You can't
Speaker 3: touch you know, can't touch this money. And Hammer's in
Speaker 3: the stratosphere, and so there was a beef between the
Speaker 3: East and the West Coast. So I felt that if
Speaker 3: me and Hammer got together and I was able to
Speaker 3: bring what I bring to the table and he keeps
Speaker 3: doing his thing, this would show a union between us
Speaker 3: where this beef between East and West.
Speaker 4: Coast wouldn't even really be there. Because Tim Dogg was making.
Speaker 2: You know, al We's album was.
Speaker 4: Right right, and I wasn't about that.
Speaker 3: So they paid close to maybe like one point two
Speaker 3: one point three to get me out of the deal.
Speaker 3: So when they got me out of the deal, they say, yo,
Speaker 3: I just want to be able to put at least
Speaker 3: one or two songs on the album. And I said, okay,
Speaker 3: no problem, and they said I was telling them reggae.
Speaker 4: So we was up there working it out.
Speaker 3: And what happened is I went to Jamaica and I
Speaker 3: went to go do sun Splash and I was doing
Speaker 3: dance all night. I don't know if y'all know about
Speaker 3: sun Splash. Yeah, I forgot him on it right right.
Speaker 4: So I'm so I'm like.
Speaker 3: The first guy to ever perform on dance tall night
Speaker 3: in Jamaica, which was unheard of.
Speaker 2: You might want you retimidated.
Speaker 3: No, no, look that audience is tough, yo, that audience
Speaker 3: is tougher than Apollo.
Speaker 2: It's how did you again? I know your whole no
Speaker 2: fear thing, but yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 4: I felt I felt like I felt my.
Speaker 3: Energy was stronger than theirs. And then I also had
Speaker 3: Papa Son who we was doing records together. I mean no,
Speaker 3: we was performing together. So when I'm performing with him
Speaker 3: on dance hall, and then the other thing is sometimes
Speaker 3: less is more and more is less, you know, because
Speaker 3: sometimes you're doing too much. So I felt like if
Speaker 3: I give them little samples of what I do, it'll
Speaker 3: make them appreciate it more than me trying to give
Speaker 3: them a whole concert.
Speaker 4: So I got on.
Speaker 3: They accepted it, blew up, but bloke gunshots all night.
Speaker 3: After that was over, I got back on the plane
Speaker 3: and came back and I was doing something at how
Speaker 3: And when I got back, Hammer's boy edited the video,
Speaker 3: did all of these different things with it. And then
Speaker 3: when he did it, it was the same guy that
Speaker 3: edit Hammer's video. So when he let the song out,
Speaker 3: a lot of people was looking at the marching band
Speaker 3: and all of it at the Battle of the Band thing,
Speaker 3: and they thought that it was like we was trying
Speaker 3: to make a hammer video.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you see.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I said, it's the true story too. I said, yo, bro,
Speaker 3: why did you edit the video and let it out
Speaker 3: without me being able to look at the video acknowledge
Speaker 3: what it is because I read alert in there, Curtis
Speaker 3: blowing there.
Speaker 4: They cut all of the different elements that would give
Speaker 4: it the authenticity of the East Coast and showing that love.
Speaker 3: And then when they say they said, man, yo, we
Speaker 3: was just doing so I felt like the respect factor
Speaker 3: was not as high as my respect was for him
Speaker 3: because I guess he was trying to go in there.
Speaker 4: Right when it dropped.
Speaker 3: Capital dropped him and the label went bankrupt, so the
Speaker 3: album never came out. So that album never came out.
Speaker 3: The single was coming out, and I'm thinking now as.
Speaker 2: I'm doing what I got to do album.
Speaker 4: And it never can't.
Speaker 3: It can't Like Capitol was letting it out and then
Speaker 3: they shut everything down because yeah, you got the album.
Speaker 6: I had to tape. Uh this was this was my
Speaker 6: stepdad before he passed. Yeah, he had to tape because
Speaker 6: my joint on there. I used to rhun was the
Speaker 6: if I was your man joint because you was curious. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you know what I mean? That was my record.
Speaker 6: But uh yeah, man, no that record it came out
Speaker 6: like you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm I'm gonna tell you in regards to
Speaker 3: when Capital Capitol dropped Busted Records and when he dropped
Speaker 3: Busted Records, whatever bust it had or whatever busted on.
Speaker 4: Busted was cut Busted was cut off. Yeah, bust it
Speaker 4: was busting. And so then I left and.
Speaker 3: When I and when I left, I had to you know,
Speaker 3: I had to rebuild the credibility because people was feeling
Speaker 3: like I was trying to sell out. So that wasn't
Speaker 3: a problem for me because I built my career before record.
Speaker 3: So I went back in the street and started to
Speaker 3: kind of see what was going on. I seen PM doing,
Speaker 3: PM Doing was hanging out at the club. We were
Speaker 3: both going to see Prince, so we went to see
Speaker 3: I seen him on my way out. It's funny, I
Speaker 3: didn't even think about this. I was seeing him walking out.
Speaker 3: He said, dumb yo, Man, I love yourself. You're doing
Speaker 3: anything else?
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, man, I'm getting ready to come.
Speaker 3: I got some ideas, he said, Yo, man, my label man,
Speaker 3: I think that you know, maybe I should introduce you to.
Speaker 4: This gotch You shrinking right? He said, I think you
Speaker 4: know him. I think you know him. So I said,
Speaker 4: what's his name? He's his name is John? He said, really,
Speaker 4: I said, let me let me see.
Speaker 3: If I know him.
Speaker 4: I went downtown to G Street, right, I'm not. I
Speaker 4: go in there and I walk in.
Speaker 3: This was my tour guy in nineteen eighty five when
Speaker 3: I went overseas for perform to perform.
Speaker 4: The show on Top of the Pops.
Speaker 3: This guy is the guy who took me all through
Speaker 3: London and now he got a deal with Chris Blackwell.
Speaker 3: So then after that I sat there. He said, Dougie,
Speaker 3: I always wanted to do something with you. Do you
Speaker 3: got anything? I said, I got these three ideas, I said,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm ready to let him out as
Speaker 3: soon as possible because I need to make sure that
Speaker 3: people do not misunderstand what happened. So then that's when
Speaker 3: I came up with day right and Free You did Freaks?
Speaker 2: Yes where years old? Like where is he's.
Speaker 4: Still rock with me? He's still rock with me?
Speaker 1: But does he ever, I imagine that he must sound
Speaker 1: like mad lion right now.
Speaker 5: Now that's funny air, but that's true. Though he can't.
Speaker 4: Say no, no, no no. But but he sounds good.
Speaker 3: It sounds like he mature, but it don't sound like
Speaker 3: he sounds really good and he sounds like his energy
Speaker 3: is still the same.
Speaker 4: And when we perform, it's a serious situation.
Speaker 3: But that song, that song, that song right there when
Speaker 3: I when I came back from Jamaica, that's when I
Speaker 3: made that beat because.
Speaker 5: You told you what I'm saying, I feel like reggae
Speaker 5: is coming.
Speaker 4: You told him. I tried to tell him. I swear
Speaker 4: I tried to tell him, you know.
Speaker 3: But look they was living in you know, they had
Speaker 3: I can't touch this money, so they wasn't touching it.
Speaker 3: They wasn't.
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk about your your relationship with
Speaker 1: with with Prince? There is Oh my god, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: did a long apprenticeship. Uh during that time period at
Speaker 1: least three to four the five years, I think almost
Speaker 1: like you know, to see a Prince concert, you knew
Speaker 1: somewhere you were coming, Like so how.
Speaker 4: An apprenticeship quess ques? You know?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: With Prince? The only thing that I can honestly say, man,
Speaker 4: I mean this is this, This is is one that
Speaker 4: is a quick one that I think you'll appreciate.
Speaker 3: I was doing. I did something for Sindbad. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I want to acknowledge sinn Mad because you know,
Speaker 3: he had a stroke. So Sindbad I went out. Do
Speaker 3: you remember when he had this thing called so Soul
Speaker 3: Funk and it was on HBO. Yep, yes, okay, So
Speaker 3: Sindbad I went out there to go just to hang out.
Speaker 4: And then he told me, Dougie, Yo, what you doing
Speaker 4: out here? Yo?
Speaker 3: I want you to get on man, could you do something?
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I just came out here to chill.
Speaker 3: But all right, no problems. And if you know Sinbad,
Speaker 3: his energy is crazy. So it was like, You're going
Speaker 3: to say yes.
Speaker 4: To me no matter what.
Speaker 3: So now I'm in a Ruba trying to find a
Speaker 3: studio because I'm thinking, damn, I need to get something,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at a CD that got that got
Speaker 3: got to be real on there, I say, yo, man,
Speaker 3: let me let me sample this. Pressing it out on
Speaker 3: a keyboard studio was real, under budget, not top of
Speaker 3: the line. I press out got to be real so
Speaker 3: I loop it. So then I go back on stage
Speaker 3: in the night, I go on stage and I say,
Speaker 3: he said, you're gonna do something for me. I say, yeah,
Speaker 3: They played the music for me, and HBO was not
Speaker 3: supposed to tape me performing. So I get on and
Speaker 3: I'm performing and the place is going crazy. The crowd
Speaker 3: is going crazy. It's moving. They never had a hip
Speaker 3: hop and turned into something.
Speaker 4: Now. HBO was taping it without me knowing it.
Speaker 3: Because they told him, you know, this is Dougie just
Speaker 3: doing something, but that.
Speaker 4: Little something turned into something crazy.
Speaker 3: So then later HBO said, Yo, man, Yo, could we
Speaker 3: show this because this this thing is unbelievable. Did you
Speaker 3: see what this guy did? So then HBO played it
Speaker 3: and it kept playing it every week like constantly, right,
Speaker 3: so Prince seeing it. So when Prince seen it, he said, YO,
Speaker 3: called Dougie up and see if he could meet me
Speaker 3: in Atlanta two because I want him to come to
Speaker 3: my show and perform.
Speaker 4: So I get to this show.
Speaker 3: I'm backstage and he said, yo, jo, I already got
Speaker 3: a set going on now, so I'm gonna do my show,
Speaker 3: but I want to know could you come with me
Speaker 3: to the after party.
Speaker 4: I said all right. I said, yeah, I heard you
Speaker 4: wanted me to come. I'm here. Cool. So I went
Speaker 4: to the after party.
Speaker 3: And this is when left Eye was alive. So we
Speaker 3: go to the after party and left Eye meets me
Speaker 3: and meet Prince, and she's like bugging out, like, yo,
Speaker 3: I can't even believe y'all too here at the same time.
Speaker 3: So I asked Prince. Prince said, yo, I seen you
Speaker 3: on HBO. That was unbelievable. What made you come up
Speaker 3: with that? I said, Now it was this free styling.
Speaker 3: He said, okay. He said, well, let me ask you.
Speaker 3: You think you can get on to night. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: no problem, he said, but I want to I want
Speaker 3: to ask you, I said, before I get on.
Speaker 4: I just and he wasn't called prince at the time
Speaker 4: we called him.
Speaker 3: You ain't know what to call him, so you know,
Speaker 3: you call him the artist or whatever. I said, I
Speaker 3: just want to know when I get on, how far
Speaker 3: you want me to go? He said, I want you
Speaker 3: to turn this mom out. I said no, I said,
Speaker 3: but I want to know how far do you want
Speaker 3: me to go?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I want to.
Speaker 3: Respect what you do, what you're asking Because I got
Speaker 3: on with Dre and snooping them and them when they
Speaker 3: came to New York and Dre pulled me to the side.
Speaker 3: It was like, Dougie, I want you to get on,
Speaker 3: but please don't go.
Speaker 2: Right right right.
Speaker 3: And when he said that to me, When he said
Speaker 3: that to me, I was saying, like, what do you
Speaker 3: mean by that? Like don't you want me to? And
Speaker 3: then I got on and I felt I didn't. I
Speaker 3: listened to him, and I felt bad that I didn't
Speaker 3: go all the way. So after that, I said, I
Speaker 3: got to ask a person how they feel so that
Speaker 3: they don't feel like I'm trying to upstage their setting.
Speaker 3: So I learned that. So long story short, prince sss,
Speaker 3: I want you to.
Speaker 4: Like and he said it in my ear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So after that I said yo, I said okay, Well,
Speaker 3: if that's what you want me to do, I said, well,
Speaker 3: that is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: And I got on with him that night. When I
Speaker 4: got on with him that night, I took him to
Speaker 4: a place that he ain't never but then when it
Speaker 4: comes to this.
Speaker 3: Thing, so this is what he did. So I came
Speaker 3: down there this whole thing, and at the time I
Speaker 3: was dating, I was when I. When I was dating
Speaker 3: Miss Jones, I was.
Speaker 4: Down there the thing for Sindbad.
Speaker 3: So I went down there and I didn't expect that,
Speaker 3: So I did it based on the energy. I did
Speaker 3: Sinbad in favor. They taped it. I didn't know they
Speaker 3: were gonna tape it. Then they showed it on HBO
Speaker 3: and it explodes and everybody and it was fun. And
Speaker 3: actually after that, Sheryl Lynn was booked on the Soul
Speaker 3: Funk Festival after that because how impactful it was. And
Speaker 3: then came Sugarhill Gang and all of the other groups.
Speaker 3: So moving into Prince, he's seen it. When he's seen it,
Speaker 3: he called up Lindelle McMillan, who was my lawyer.
Speaker 4: Wow right. And when he called up.
Speaker 3: Lindown line there and said, yo, Doug, he said, can
Speaker 3: you come down to Atlanta? So I went down there
Speaker 3: and I took Grandmaster Caz. I took Grandmaster Cast because
Speaker 3: he loved Prince and he told me that. He said, Doug,
Speaker 3: if you ever meet him, I just want you to
Speaker 3: do me one favor. Please introduce me to him. So
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I brought him with me. So
Speaker 3: I go down there. Left eye is there, she's in
Speaker 3: rere form, she's vibing. Energy is good. He gets in
Speaker 3: my ear. After I asked him, I said, brother, I
Speaker 3: just want to be respectful to your set.
Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate you, and.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do anything that's gonna make you
Speaker 3: feel that I'm doing that. I'm trying to be disrespectful.
Speaker 3: And he was like, look, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: I want you to turn this out to the he said,
Speaker 3: He said all the way out. I turned around, said,
Speaker 3: no problem, m And after that I got on and
Speaker 3: I turned that out to the point back after it
Speaker 3: was over, we kept doing encore after encore because question
Speaker 3: no artists go we me and him.
Speaker 4: They can go for two, two.
Speaker 3: Hours three, it doesn't really even stop.
Speaker 1: Like do you do you have a do you have
Speaker 1: a not an itinerary, but do you have a routine
Speaker 1: bag that you go through, like when you do your
Speaker 1: come again rhyme? Or you're uh, I can't even you
Speaker 1: know right right, like I know your go to dougie
Speaker 1: isms that can like how many of those do you
Speaker 1: have in your head when it's time to just get
Speaker 1: on someone set?
Speaker 2: Like do you have like thirty things already thought out?
Speaker 2: Like okay, well, it.
Speaker 3: Goes back to the same thing that I was telling you.
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking, I'm feeling, and what I'm feeling is
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. So there's no there's no ism.
Speaker 4: It is. It just is, and it is at.
Speaker 3: That moment of now, and no matter what it is,
Speaker 3: it will be what I wanted to be, and that
Speaker 3: is what it is. So and I don't mean that
Speaker 3: in an ego way. I mean that from a spiritual
Speaker 3: perspective that I'm coming to the table with energy, Like
Speaker 3: like when we were switching to this for a second
Speaker 3: and going back to the story when y'all did Dave
Speaker 3: Chappelle and.
Speaker 4: He just called me.
Speaker 3: I was just coming to see this. I just came
Speaker 3: to see y'all. I didn't come to get on stage,
Speaker 3: like I swear, that wasn't my goal. I was just
Speaker 3: there to see you him and all that. I say, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let me see this. This is gonna be nice. And
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, somebody, I think caller or somebody was saying, Dougie,
Speaker 3: they want you to come on stage, and then Dave
Speaker 3: is saying, yo, here, man, yo, go on do it.
Speaker 3: So in my mind there's a switch that just kind
Speaker 3: of automatically go off, and I'm going all.
Speaker 4: The way end unless you tell me don't.
Speaker 3: And then if you tell me don't, I might just
Speaker 3: say let them do it, and I'm just stand on
Speaker 3: the side and watch, because I don't ever want to
Speaker 3: feel like I'm making somebody feel funny, and I don't
Speaker 3: ever want to feel funny if I don't do what
Speaker 3: I naturally feel.
Speaker 4: I want to do.
Speaker 3: So that night, he had me in a tough situation
Speaker 3: and the clock was ticking, and I was looking back
Speaker 3: at you. You was frustrated at him about the clock,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, I don't want us to be
Speaker 3: mad at me, I said, I don't want us to
Speaker 3: be mad at me. God keep telling me, go hard,
Speaker 3: go on. And then Usher jumped on the stage. Todd
Speaker 3: t I jumped on the stage, and you was looking
Speaker 3: at them. It's a wrap, it's over.
Speaker 1: Let me let me explain to our audience. Okay, So
Speaker 1: New York is very old school. In New York is
Speaker 1: what we call a union town. Like you cannot step
Speaker 1: on the stage in New York City unless you play
Speaker 1: exuberant fines. If you go overtime, they're they're antal retentive
Speaker 1: with sound checks with shooting cameras. If you bring a
Speaker 1: camera out a Radio City Music Hall, that's like twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Like New York will find a way
Speaker 1: to tax you just for simple things. It's a very
Speaker 1: old school thing. So what Doug is referencing is whenever
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle does his like long residencies at Radio City
Speaker 1: Music Hall, you know he'll do like fifteen twenty shows
Speaker 1: or whatever. David's is one of those guys that also
Speaker 1: just lives by his heart, and I guess that he
Speaker 1: has the deep pockets to you know.
Speaker 2: And as of this speaking, I saw Dave last.
Speaker 1: Night at Madison Square Garden with rock Him Buster Rhymes,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Union guys are like usually in
Speaker 1: New York, especially at Madison Square Garden, especially at Radio City.
Speaker 1: I'll say that for every five minutes you go over,
Speaker 1: that's like ten thousand dollars. So the whole goal is
Speaker 1: like when it's ten fifty nine, shut the show down,
Speaker 1: not at a Dave heel afan. So so at this point,
Speaker 1: when Dave is calling everyone on stage, I know we
Speaker 1: got like four minutes left, and all I'm thinking about is, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're about to lose a lot of money here, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be responsible for that. So at
Speaker 1: ten fifty nine, I want the promoters. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the hall monitor of him.
Speaker 2: Pop.
Speaker 1: Everyone will tell you I'm the hall monitor hip hop
Speaker 1: right right right, I'm the guy decided like, hey, promoter,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm following union rules.
Speaker 2: That's Dave Jabelle, not me, you know, but anyway, continue
Speaker 2: right right?
Speaker 4: No, that's crazy, that's crazy. The way you just said that.
Speaker 4: The crazy.
Speaker 3: I never heard nobody say that, yo, yo, And you
Speaker 3: know what, I've seen it in your face when we
Speaker 3: was doing it, I was like, I said, man, question, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's trying to get everybody out of here. I said, well,
Speaker 3: Dave just won't stop, and he keeps.
Speaker 4: Telling me go harder.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm torn between should I.
Speaker 4: Listen to the hall monitor? Should I.
Speaker 3: Do not?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like using twenty five thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: nobody on my watch, Like I'm a guy that start.
Speaker 4: On time, you know, And he didn't even care.
Speaker 2: So he's rich, right, hitch bitch.
Speaker 3: Yo. So so because of that, and because of that
Speaker 3: kind of energy, I'm always careful because I don't want
Speaker 3: nobody to feel like I'm trying to do something to
Speaker 3: you or take something. So long story short, I get
Speaker 3: on with Pete Prince yo. He's like this, go harder, Yeah,
Speaker 3: go harder, give me more. So after this over the
Speaker 3: band and everybody, we go to the roof. They got
Speaker 3: this little roof. We're sitting out there. He's sitting there
Speaker 3: looking at me like this. I'm telling you that I
Speaker 3: can't make this up. Bro. He looking at me like this,
Speaker 3: just sitting here looking at me. And then the band
Speaker 3: is standing around him and he goes, how about it, band?
Speaker 3: What do you think? And it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you crazy?
Speaker 4: What do we think? Are you serious? Did you see
Speaker 4: what he just did?
Speaker 3: I and the whole band is going crazy enough? He
Speaker 3: turned out. He said, so what do you want to do?
Speaker 3: I said, oh, man, I came out to do what
Speaker 3: I wanted to do. I had some fun with you.
Speaker 3: Man said this Grandma say cast Cats is sitting there
Speaker 3: like this, like looking at him like that, right, So
Speaker 3: what I'm saying in there and I'm like cats cast
Speaker 3: you know ca? He said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: this is great night, great night. And then and then
Speaker 3: first look at me, he said, so what you want
Speaker 3: to do? You want to be down with MPG or
Speaker 3: what I turn?
Speaker 4: I turned about. I'm looking out.
Speaker 3: I look at Cass right, and this is real. I
Speaker 3: look at Cass. I'm like your cats. Oh, this guy's funny,
Speaker 3: yoe like in my mind. I said, yeah, okay, whatever
Speaker 3: I said, Man, I just came out, man, I said,
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I said, I ain't come out here for no paper.
Speaker 3: I just came out to show you love because you
Speaker 3: deserved that, you know, And he and I said, I said,
Speaker 3: and your band was fun and I enjoyed it. I said,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna leave because you know, it was a
Speaker 3: nice night. So it's a tree there, right. He takes
Speaker 3: a leaf off the tree and he go like this
Speaker 3: and he go, what, bro, I'm telling you you take
Speaker 3: the leave. We go here go he go, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: good And then after I said, I'm looking at him
Speaker 3: and I was like, I supposed to eat a leaf too.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, where we're going with this one?
Speaker 3: But I said yo, But I like your stop. I
Speaker 3: like what you just did right there. So after that,
Speaker 3: I get up and I leave, and the band and
Speaker 3: everybody's saying goodbye. I get back home, kays Is blown away.
Speaker 3: I get a call cause said, yo, the artist wants
Speaker 3: you to come on, wants you to come out, and
Speaker 3: he want to know can you meet him tomorrow night
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma?
Speaker 4: He said he.
Speaker 3: Got twenty days and he just wanted to know what
Speaker 3: do you want?
Speaker 4: I said, are you serious?
Speaker 3: And that was the beginning of me and Prince and
Speaker 3: it never stopped after that. And it got so deep
Speaker 3: that he used to ask me and he would and
Speaker 3: he appreciated.
Speaker 4: He was sick.
Speaker 3: So where do you think I should come out? What songs?
Speaker 3: What's the order of these songs you think I should do?
Speaker 3: And I said, yo, you gotta come out of the crowd.
Speaker 3: Like it was me and him Shaka can Lorry Graham,
Speaker 3: we had make Ceo, We had nase. He said, he said,
Speaker 3: so should I come out the crowd? Right? I said, ye,
Speaker 3: come out here. I said, when you come to New York,
Speaker 3: you gotta do pop life. He was like, here you
Speaker 3: think so?
Speaker 4: I said, I know so, and he would listen.
Speaker 1: He would let me, you are the curator, right, He.
Speaker 4: Would let me design the shows. When we did Essen's Festival.
Speaker 3: I had another technique that I was coming up with
Speaker 3: as far as different performances. So I started out in
Speaker 3: the audience with the turntables because he never wanted to
Speaker 3: use turntables. I said, no, we're gonna use turntables, but
Speaker 3: you never used them like this, So I would start
Speaker 3: what did turntables?
Speaker 4: And I get the audience to the point it was crazy.
Speaker 3: We was at Essence Festival, right, and it was eighty
Speaker 3: thousand eighty Yo, it.
Speaker 4: Was eighty thousand.
Speaker 3: And before we went to the Essence, we did the
Speaker 3: some bold place in La And then later on that night,
Speaker 3: we're sitting down and then he says to me, yeah, yeah, yeah, Hollywood, Hollywood.
Speaker 3: That's right. He's sitting down with me, and he says,
Speaker 3: Essence magazine is in here and they want to interview me.
Speaker 4: Could you talk to them? Can you talk to them
Speaker 4: for me too?
Speaker 3: So I start talking to him and he started telling
Speaker 3: him how this thing worked.
Speaker 4: He said, you see see how you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I don't even got to say it because that's how
Speaker 3: we locked in. And then afterwards then we were meeting
Speaker 3: LA and they said, yo, he wants you to meet
Speaker 3: him at this club.
Speaker 4: I go to the club.
Speaker 3: He's sitting in this room on the other side. The
Speaker 3: party's bouncing, and he's sitting in there by himself with
Speaker 3: a little cup with like like some coffee and some honey,
Speaker 3: and he's sitting there like this. And he's sitting there
Speaker 3: like this, and he said, you know, we're supposed to
Speaker 3: do the essence. So how you think we need to
Speaker 3: do this? I said, I said, how you think we
Speaker 3: need to do this? He said, I'm going rock, I'm
Speaker 3: going straight rock. I said, all I said, all due respect,
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's.
Speaker 2: I said, I said, and then.
Speaker 4: Anybody. He said, so what you think?
Speaker 3: I said, I think we need to do what we do,
Speaker 3: but you need to do the hits. I said, this
Speaker 3: is a black audience. And I said, I want to
Speaker 3: hear hit after hit after hit. And I said, I said, Well,
Speaker 3: before we get to the hits, I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take the turntables and I'm gonna set.
Speaker 4: It up in the middle of the crowd, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Get this thing pumped up to the point that is
Speaker 3: that is ridiculous, and then I'm going to pass it
Speaker 3: to you onto the stage and you're gonna hit him
Speaker 3: with a hit after hit after hit.
Speaker 4: He said, Okay, I got it.
Speaker 3: We went to the Essence, I went into the crowd,
Speaker 3: like I said, set it up, and I had like
Speaker 3: eighty thousand people doing the wobble.
Speaker 4: The damn building was shaken. Yeah, right that night he
Speaker 4: was there.
Speaker 5: Yeah about that stage, No, no, no, the.
Speaker 3: Whole building was shaken. I have never felt nothing like
Speaker 3: that other than probably Chuck Brown at Capital Center or
Speaker 3: something ridiculous.
Speaker 4: So after it was over, I mean, after that, I
Speaker 4: get it to a certain point. I know it's crazy
Speaker 4: because mc light came over to me and said, do
Speaker 4: you feel that? Do you feel that?
Speaker 3: Like that? So that's when I knew it was serious.
Speaker 3: So then I passed it to him on the stage.
Speaker 3: And when I passed it to him on the stage,
Speaker 3: it was crazy. It just it was crazy, man.
Speaker 5: And then that's one of all times day I think
Speaker 5: that was they.
Speaker 3: They definitely, they definitely say that it was definitely up
Speaker 3: there because it was nothing.
Speaker 4: It was nothing close, But that was the kind of.
Speaker 3: Relationship we had because it was like hanging out with
Speaker 3: a dude who was just as like he didn't care
Speaker 3: as much as I don't care, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like we be riding around in the night and it'll
Speaker 3: be like, you want to go you want to go
Speaker 3: to the club where.
Speaker 4: I started at. I said, yeah, let's go in there.
Speaker 4: And you know that big guy who plays the drums
Speaker 4: and used to play the drums on the Real Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was sitting there one night.
Speaker 3: We're sitting there and he said, do you feel like
Speaker 3: doing something tonight?
Speaker 4: I said, you feel like doing something tonight? He turned around.
Speaker 4: He said yeah.
Speaker 3: I said, but but but but you ain't got to
Speaker 3: do nothing, I said, I said, let me, I'll do
Speaker 3: something with him. He said, all right, but but I
Speaker 3: go in there and get on with with Bland and
Speaker 3: the band that they have in there, turn that into something.
Speaker 3: Jump back in the limo, drive out to his house.
Speaker 3: We're sitting in a lemo talking and he and he
Speaker 3: told me something that was crazy. Man. He said, at
Speaker 3: one time, he said the Time was a band that
Speaker 3: when he when he had to get on after them, he.
Speaker 4: Was nervous, he said, because the.
Speaker 3: Time generated so much excitement, so much celebration, so much energy.
Speaker 3: That he said he felt like when he got on
Speaker 3: after it went to such a high.
Speaker 4: That he's doing all of these different things.
Speaker 3: But he can't he can't create that that you know
Speaker 3: that jungle love. Know that, he said. Then he said
Speaker 3: to me, he said, I've seen a lot of performers,
Speaker 3: he said that I'm telling you. He said, you are
Speaker 3: the most unusual and the most shocking that I have
Speaker 3: ever seen. He said, I don't know why God brought
Speaker 3: me and you together, but he said, you make me
Speaker 3: feel that same kind of thing, but on another level
Speaker 3: that I felt with the time.
Speaker 4: And he said, and I'm glad that you whip me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that is literally you have no fear.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I want our audience to know,
Speaker 1: like you literally have you have zero fear. Wait, before
Speaker 1: we go, we got to talk about the Chuck Brown project.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know something Okay, when you when you were telling the
Speaker 1: story of the show, it kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: hit me. And you know, I know that it's never
Speaker 1: going on record before.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: The that the perception is that Go Go really never
Speaker 1: got its just due, but it's just we never new
Speaker 1: Jack Swing is basically Go Go And I really didn't
Speaker 1: truly realize that until wow, like moments ago. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you listen to like I mean, the show is
Speaker 1: essentially Go Go, It is new Jack swing.
Speaker 4: Also it's a part of it.
Speaker 1: But Teddy, but I think it's electronic. I think it's
Speaker 1: electronic go go, and we just never called it that.
Speaker 4: So I agree. I agree with you. I agree with
Speaker 4: you now.
Speaker 3: And I never looked at it like that because see
Speaker 3: and this and this is not to take nothing from nobody.
Speaker 4: I'm not that guy. I'm not even built like that.
Speaker 3: But that thing about the way to beat plays and
Speaker 3: me beat it like I programmed.
Speaker 4: I basically he put on a metron.
Speaker 3: On and I played it out, and I put these
Speaker 3: things and I you know, I needed the guy who
Speaker 3: was technically savvy to allow me to get on that
Speaker 3: drum machine and do what I do because anything like
Speaker 3: when I did Freaks Beef, if I did Riseing to
Speaker 3: the Top beat, if I do Lotti Dot, I make
Speaker 3: the beat. So it's what I do. When I did
Speaker 3: Original Human Beetbox, I make the beat. So when this
Speaker 3: happened and I was making the show that swing, I
Speaker 3: never thought about it from go go because you know,
Speaker 3: as a kid, I used to play the juke box
Speaker 3: in the pool room around my block where we were.
Speaker 3: They are games and all that and keep us out
Speaker 3: of the street. But they had Busting Loose in the
Speaker 3: jukebox and I was hearing it. I said, Charlotte, get it.
Speaker 4: Y'all say what you like, back to back to back
Speaker 4: to back.
Speaker 3: So I think that that feeling influenced me when I
Speaker 3: was in the show, because it's the swing, it's that,
Speaker 3: it's that, it's the movement of it. And then, like
Speaker 3: you said, which I think is really a great observation,
Speaker 3: and I never thought about that that this show is
Speaker 3: a go go record.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 5: But you are the first person in the history, though,
Speaker 5: to do something besides a collaboration with the genre, like right, Doug, Like,
Speaker 5: technically you're the only person of note that has given
Speaker 5: this kind of love to that genre in this way, right.
Speaker 2: In this way. Herbie Loveug used to like sample lot
Speaker 2: like yeah, but not in a yeah, he's not like
Speaker 2: the way he's doing it.
Speaker 5: It was always a collaboration, but not a total like dedication,
Speaker 5: love letter and inspiration kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So how did the project come together?
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, man.
Speaker 3: I was and I'm telling you the truth again, I
Speaker 3: was sleeping and out of nowhere something said.
Speaker 4: Write a song about Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: And when it said write a song about Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: I picked up the pen and I just wrote the
Speaker 3: song and I made the beat, and on the beat,
Speaker 3: some of those drum sounds are me because I couldn't
Speaker 3: find certain sounds that I wanted for this effect that
Speaker 3: I was looking for with the Go Go.
Speaker 4: So now what I do is I'll.
Speaker 3: Go in there and I'll do my own I'll be
Speaker 3: the high hat with the drum.
Speaker 4: I'll be the other snare on top of the snare.
Speaker 3: I'll put my low tone.
Speaker 4: Based drum under the foot.
Speaker 3: So now the way that I do beats is I'm
Speaker 3: I'm always intertwining now my own drum sounds on top
Speaker 3: of drum sets, because I don't think they have all
Speaker 3: of the drum sounds that I can hear anymore, so
Speaker 3: I make them up. So I started to build the track,
Speaker 3: and when I built the track, I was writing. I
Speaker 3: was writing a song to it. And then it was
Speaker 3: interesting to me because I was like, why am I
Speaker 3: doing this? And that I thought about the way I
Speaker 3: met Chuck Run from Run DMC was the guy who
Speaker 3: told me because we was on the show together in
Speaker 3: Capital Center eighty five. He told me, yo, you ever
Speaker 3: been you ever seen Chuck Brown. You ever heard Go Go?
Speaker 3: I said, nah, I know, Chuck Brown, but what's Go Go?
Speaker 3: He said, you ain't seen a Go Go concert? He said, Yo, wait,
Speaker 3: GC this not I turned around. I changed my stuff up, bro.
Speaker 3: I went up in there to get there early. Chuck
Speaker 3: Brown burnt this shit down to the floor to the
Speaker 3: point that it was madness. I'm talking about you want
Speaker 3: to talk about you want to see a spiritual, like
Speaker 3: like out of body experience. Play Go Go, Play Go
Speaker 3: Go with twenty thousand black people in the spot and
Speaker 3: white people that understand play it, and you're going to
Speaker 3: see a whole, a whole kind of experiences that you
Speaker 3: never seen. So then I ran. He got off. I
Speaker 3: went backstage, started talking to him. I started telling him
Speaker 3: how incredible his performance was. He started telling me how
Speaker 3: he loves the show, he loves Lotty Dottie, he thinks
Speaker 3: that what I'm doing is really unique. And then we
Speaker 3: just became friends from eighty five all the way to
Speaker 3: when he performed on the Capitol Lawn. He called me up.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that would be one of our last performances.
Speaker 3: And I got on with him there and he was
Speaker 3: such a beautiful spirit, and I looked at him like
Speaker 3: I look at myself where I felt like he was.
Speaker 3: He created something, and sometimes when a person creates something,
Speaker 3: like you said quest, which was really deep, the person
Speaker 3: who's the first person that created may not always be
Speaker 3: the one that's acknowledged, you know. And I felt like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure that you acknowledged Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: When you hear Beyonce's joint, you know, the first joint
Speaker 3: that she did with Crazy.
Speaker 5: Rich Harrison, he always gonna put that go Go up.
Speaker 3: Right right, like I want y'all to know, this is
Speaker 3: the guy that did this, and this energy that y'all feeling,
Speaker 3: this is the guy.
Speaker 4: And I guess spiritually there was something.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is that Prince before he passed,
Speaker 3: he was going to produce my next album and he
Speaker 3: wanted me to do a live album and he loved
Speaker 3: Go Go, so she did right right, So he wanted
Speaker 3: me to do something. I think in this kind of
Speaker 3: a way that I did it because it's live and
Speaker 3: at the same time it's go go, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know I was going to be putting it together like this,
Speaker 3: but it worked out and let me.
Speaker 5: Clear my throat. Though Doug like you already out of
Speaker 5: your relationship with Go Go is like continue all day?
Speaker 5: Can you talk about for a second, because I was
Speaker 5: just catching up and watching that video earlier and I
Speaker 5: was like, Yo, please tell me about this.
Speaker 4: Video shoot with you biz DJ.
Speaker 5: Cool like in this club. I know it's got to
Speaker 5: be a story.
Speaker 3: And Yo, I tell you the quick Cool told me like,
Speaker 3: I'm coming to the video.
Speaker 4: I pull up.
Speaker 3: Cool said, hey, Dug, what's going on? No, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't even know what he wants? He said, Yo, like
Speaker 3: I know he want to do somebody. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't really know. He said, Yo, man, I need a
Speaker 3: boss from you. Do you got him write there? Like like,
Speaker 3: are you ready to do this now? I said, yeah, okay, Cool,
Speaker 3: let's do it. He said, okay, Cool like no notice, no,
Speaker 3: here's your part where you put your verse no, no nothing, no.
Speaker 4: Se no nothing.
Speaker 3: So after that, so he's and then he told me
Speaker 3: later he said, well, you know, I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 3: with you. I told you to do that because I
Speaker 3: think you probably one of the only guys that could
Speaker 3: really do that.
Speaker 4: And don't make it seem like you're doing that, because
Speaker 4: I mean it is DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just started free styling and then like the
Speaker 3: Tupac on there.
Speaker 4: It was just something spiritually that made me say that.
Speaker 5: You know, so that was a live song and video
Speaker 5: at the same time. Y'all take the time.
Speaker 3: Wow, it was in Philly. What that's right?
Speaker 2: It was it was at the Bahama Bay and Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: He says it.
Speaker 4: Yes, he says it, bro crazy crazy.
Speaker 1: You know this, this is a legendary, legendary lesson.
Speaker 5: And thank you for giving love to to to everybody
Speaker 5: and go go in the song to because you didn't
Speaker 5: just give love to Chuck. You gave love to the areas.
Speaker 4: You gave love.
Speaker 5: To to all the legends. So it was I just
Speaker 5: want to I'm sorry, I'm mayor. I didn't mean to
Speaker 5: cut you say that. I appreciate you so, thank you man.
Speaker 3: Because he used to do play this only at night
Speaker 3: and the way he would do it, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, it's I still feel like I did in
Speaker 3: the beginning, that you still got You gotta follow your
Speaker 3: spirit and it's not going to always be popular, and
Speaker 3: sometimes you're doing things because they just supposed to be done.
Speaker 3: I remember Prince told me when he wrote Kiss. He said,
Speaker 3: when he wrote Kiss, he had to forget how to
Speaker 3: make records, meaning he had to simplify everything. So when
Speaker 3: you hear it, they kiss like he said, he stripped
Speaker 3: it down right right, And when he stripped it down,
Speaker 3: he said, it's because he had to go into a
Speaker 3: space where he had to simplify things. And I feel
Speaker 3: as an artist that you go into these spaces for
Speaker 3: reasons and it sets you up for something else that
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: But you gotta go.
Speaker 3: There though, to get there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know what connected me to make this Go
Speaker 3: Go album, but I knew I had to make it.
Speaker 4: I knew it was important.
Speaker 3: And the brother who shot the album cover he called me.
Speaker 3: And when he called me, it was a friend of
Speaker 3: mine who would go and film me in different places
Speaker 3: and stuff. And he has diabetes type too, And he
Speaker 3: called me and he said, Dougie. His name is Bobby Gunn.
Speaker 3: He said, Dougie, Yo, man, I know you into this
Speaker 3: health thing, man, but I'm dealing with his diabetes and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make sure that I don't do something
Speaker 3: that's gonna cause me to How many probably say, yo,
Speaker 3: you got any suggestions? So I'm on the phone talking
Speaker 3: to him about it, going through the whole diabetic conversation,
Speaker 3: telling him, don't do this here. You like sodas drinker
Speaker 3: zvia Zba is a sugar free soda and it's not
Speaker 3: an asparteam. It hires Stevia and it is good. And
Speaker 3: he said, oh, thank you, Doug, thank you, And I
Speaker 3: hang up the phone with him. And he only called
Speaker 3: me for that and I shared that one. He said,
Speaker 3: but Doug, yo, I got some pictures I took and
Speaker 3: I want to send them to you. And you know,
Speaker 3: just some pictures I took a while ago. He sent
Speaker 3: me the pictures. All of the pictures was of me
Speaker 3: and Chuck Brown. And he didn't even know I was
Speaker 3: making this song. He didn't even know I was making
Speaker 3: the song. And then I looked at one.
Speaker 4: Of the pictures. I said, Yo, this is crazy. This
Speaker 4: is crazy. I called him.
Speaker 3: I said, Yo, I just wrote a song called Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: What's the odds of you sending me this?
Speaker 4: I said?
Speaker 3: Can I use this shot? Could I use this shot?
Speaker 3: And the shot that I made the album cover was
Speaker 3: the shot that that brother gave to me.
Speaker 4: So this is what I'm trying to explain sometime I
Speaker 4: think things just kind of right right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's what the album represents to me.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate y'all having me on here to talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: And brother, thank you kept y'all on a little long No, no,
Speaker 2: we kept you man. We love it right. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: lived for these episodes.
Speaker 5: I almost gotta tell folks, and six hours Jimmy jam
Speaker 5: you are right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is all right. This is right up there with it.
Speaker 1: No, for real, I want to thank you like your
Speaker 1: your your wisdom and your life lessons and your lessons
Speaker 1: on fear.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna apply that.
Speaker 1: This is an awesome world's greatest entertainer. Yes, and unpaid
Speaker 1: Bill and and Sugar Steve and like, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is yo. I got one last question.
Speaker 6: I've asked this if you've got time, okay, And I'm
Speaker 6: only asking this because it's you, because I normally hate
Speaker 6: when people ask this question.
Speaker 2: For you. Who are your favorite season?
Speaker 6: Not necessarily your top you ain't got to say your
Speaker 6: top five whatever, but who are your face? And the
Speaker 6: reason I ask is because you're probably one of the
Speaker 6: first like real like vets that we've had on in
Speaker 6: terms of being able to work with DJ Hollywood and
Speaker 6: you know, I mean you're from that.
Speaker 2: You know that first contrast straight up, so you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 6: So just to hear it from you from og like you,
Speaker 6: who are who do you consider your top MC's.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting the people that I consider top
Speaker 3: MC's is a very interesting topic because I understand the
Speaker 3: DNA of where different styles come from. So when I'm
Speaker 3: looking at different people that other people like, I know
Speaker 3: where that style was birthed and.
Speaker 4: Why you like it or or how it evolved to
Speaker 4: become that.
Speaker 3: So DJ Hollywood is a very important piece of the
Speaker 3: puzzle for me because there was no style.
Speaker 4: He says, say, oh he wrote that.
Speaker 3: He said, throw your hands in the air and wave
Speaker 3: him like you just don't kid. He he was the
Speaker 3: guy who was who jumped that off because he was
Speaker 3: bringing celebration, you see. So that was an important piece
Speaker 3: of the puzzle, and in the beginning it was one
Speaker 3: of the most important pieces. And Curtis Blow got it
Speaker 3: from him and loved bug Starsky told me that when
Speaker 3: he asked him, I said, Yo, Love, who was the
Speaker 3: first person you've seen do this?
Speaker 4: Bro on that mic?
Speaker 3: He sat there and said Hollywood. I turned around for real,
Speaker 3: he said, Dougie, he said it was. He said, I
Speaker 3: was sitting in the car as a kid and some
Speaker 3: dude that had an eight track player in his car,
Speaker 3: and Hollywood made the first mixtape on an eight track,
Speaker 3: he said, with your play and play and play, he said,
Speaker 3: he said, And I just sat there and I said,
Speaker 3: I want to be like that.
Speaker 4: I want to do that. So then you got you
Speaker 4: got love. You got love.
Speaker 3: But then you got busy b crowd Rockey right, and
Speaker 3: they from ball with the ball and both of them
Speaker 3: doing that. So you got this whole line. So Hollywood
Speaker 3: is an important piece. Melle mel is an important piece.
Speaker 3: It's an important piece. His style, not just the message,
Speaker 3: just his whole confidence in the way that he brought
Speaker 3: what he did Grandmaster Cas. He brought that clever, slick
Speaker 3: thing that you like about King. And when you listen
Speaker 3: in the mal, you like k r S. And then
Speaker 3: you got mo D And when you got Mod, you
Speaker 3: listening in the Mod, you hear him a rod kill
Speaker 3: you hearing NOAs So the bloodline I learned directly from
Speaker 3: the bloodline directly, and then and then while I learned that,
Speaker 3: then then I had to carve out my space and
Speaker 3: create this beatbox thing, which is a completely different dimension
Speaker 3: from everything. So when people talk about MC's and who
Speaker 3: is this and who's that, it's a little different from
Speaker 3: me because it's.
Speaker 4: The same about Chuck.
Speaker 3: Because you like you like Rare Essence, then you like Chuck,
Speaker 3: you like EU, then you like Chuck. Like whoever you
Speaker 3: want to decide that you want to you better, you
Speaker 3: gonna go back to Chuck.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So even when you like like I know, I knew
Speaker 3: James Brown, James Brown, and I'm very close to the family.
Speaker 4: And James Brown liked me a lot.
Speaker 3: And he used to tell me, son, read your Bible, Son,
Speaker 3: read your Bible, and always take care of your teeth.
Speaker 4: And then he said, and always take care of your feet.
Speaker 1: These are that's that's that's a James that's a James
Speaker 1: John classic right there.
Speaker 3: Take care of your teeth and your feet.
Speaker 2: You have the best teeth in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me, let me let me ask
Speaker 1: the opposite of Let me ask the opposite of fante,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of them. Who are your top
Speaker 1: three beat boxers, not you? Who are your top three
Speaker 1: beat boxers, and there's a lot to choose from now.
Speaker 4: Right. I like rosell I was hoping.
Speaker 5: I was wondering, Yo.
Speaker 2: I forgot Roselle was in my group.
Speaker 5: I was just.
Speaker 1: I don't even asked that. I didn't even ask that
Speaker 1: fishing for a Roselle answer. I just straight forgot.
Speaker 4: I know that name.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Roselle.
Speaker 3: Look, I even did a record for rosel I did
Speaker 3: one win him for a d J. Hawston be out
Speaker 3: in Japan, And I said, yeah, let's do I think Rozelle.
Speaker 3: I think scratch Man was just I mean, I mean
Speaker 3: as far as being like like so authentic and real
Speaker 3: and the way he sound. I just I so much
Speaker 3: loved the way he sound. I mean I was always
Speaker 3: so impressed with him, and and just out of a
Speaker 3: you know, to me, it's really I mean those two
Speaker 3: and Kenny X, I like a lot.
Speaker 2: I forgot about Kennedy. Yes, shout out to Kenny X.
Speaker 1: Have you ever battled Buffy at all? Like, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever been on the stage together and did something?
Speaker 3: Or we were supposed to at Brighton High School in
Speaker 3: eighty three or eighty four. I'll send you a flyer
Speaker 3: and they put us on the Flyer dst was there,
Speaker 3: Red Alert was supposed to be there, and this was
Speaker 3: before there was records, and they was calling him just go.
Speaker 4: Three and uh.
Speaker 3: And I went down there because I didn't even know
Speaker 3: that they had to set up for me to do that.
Speaker 3: So I came in there and I seen him and
Speaker 3: I said, y'all want to do this tonight? And I've
Speaker 3: got said that. I said, so I'm I'm aa battle
Speaker 3: him and then I'm gonna take y'all two out. And
Speaker 3: you know, because because because it was it was fun.
Speaker 3: It's not like we was fighting. It was just about you.
Speaker 3: And then afterwards it never happened. And then we did
Speaker 3: a couple of shows together and we never did and
Speaker 3: I never really had any interest in doing it anymore
Speaker 3: because I mean, Buffy was such a good guy and
Speaker 3: such a nice person that it was like, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: I don't feel good about battling this guy, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? He has such a beautiful spirit. And
Speaker 3: anybody that knew Buffy knew he was just a nice person.
Speaker 3: And me and MARKI D got into a little bit
Speaker 3: of an argument one time because when the show came out,
Speaker 3: he was very he he was looking at like you know,
Speaker 3: like he was the one, he was the voice of
Speaker 3: the group, and he looked wanted to challenge me. And
Speaker 3: then after a while, you know, he was barking a
Speaker 3: little bit and going at it. And then I said, yo,
Speaker 3: I don't even have to beat box. Do you want
Speaker 3: to battle rhyming? Do you want to do that? And
Speaker 3: he just didn't want he didn't want to do that.
Speaker 3: And so after that, because I come from a battle era,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, from the foundation of battle.
Speaker 3: Like I told you, I'm on the side of the
Speaker 3: stage when Moji and Busy beat Battle.
Speaker 4: I'm the only kid that can say I was there.
Speaker 3: I was like fourteen, I was I didn't even supposed
Speaker 3: to be in there, and I'm on the side of
Speaker 3: the stage while that's going down.
Speaker 4: So I was at that battle.
Speaker 3: I was at the battle with Cold Crushed Battle and Fantastic,
Speaker 3: you know. So the things that I've learned from from
Speaker 3: just being in that area. And then I was in
Speaker 3: that contest in eighty one, in the amateur contest.
Speaker 4: So that's the way we came up.
Speaker 3: You had to battle, but then as you grow, you evolved,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't about battling.
Speaker 4: And then me and Marky d became the best of friends.
Speaker 3: We would hang out live and then what happened is
Speaker 3: when Buffy passed, I did Tom join a cruise and
Speaker 3: I wanted boys on there, and I said, we got
Speaker 3: to get them on this cruise. So I got them on.
Speaker 3: And when I got him on, I said, Yo, let's
Speaker 3: do bitter to stick them and let's do it. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's right, And we did and it was me Kourokski
Speaker 3: and Prince Marky did and we took pictures together and man,
Speaker 3: those are my brothers.
Speaker 4: Man, it was.
Speaker 5: He's gone too sus a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ok, brother, God, thank you. Look, if you ever
Speaker 1: you must open up another restaurant and share that cornbread recipe.
Speaker 1: But that's a whole other episode. Doug has the worlds.
Speaker 1: When he had his restaurant in Harlem, he had the
Speaker 1: world's best corn bread.
Speaker 2: He look, this was yeah, this was three five years ago. Anyway, Doug,
Speaker 2: I think, if you're doing.
Speaker 3: This, look and then you yo. When he said somebody said,
Speaker 3: everybody said your man, your man, quest said your man
Speaker 3: outside of Lottie, Dottie Shure whatever. One of the most
Speaker 3: unbelievable contributions he haven't made the world is this corn bread?
Speaker 1: And look, I was sending interns from the tonight show.
Speaker 1: I was sending interns to the I was sending girl's name,
Speaker 1: Ashley the Harlor.
Speaker 2: Corn bread corn bread.
Speaker 4: They call it crack corn bread in the hall.
Speaker 2: Ass it's worth breaking your diet for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I may, I may. We may have to do
Speaker 3: that one day. Just be just a little piece hot.
Speaker 1: Hot yeah, just one one, one cheat day. Thank you
Speaker 1: for doing this episode.
Speaker 2: All right, this is the It's illi it. Thank you.
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