1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told you From house top 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And Caroline, let's go ahead and 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: disclose that you and I are both high glass doors 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and I am seriously nearsighted, barely see two inches in 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: front of my face. I usually wear contacts. Recently got 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: my glasses back with my new prescription from the eye doctor. 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: I'm digging it. I was so excited I warned to 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: work the other day because I'm so excited to get 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: them back. What kind of frames are they? They are 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: there thin like with wise Obviously that's what Finn means 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: um because of my faith shape because if I wear 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: glasses that are too big, I end up looking ridiculous, 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and then they kind of get bigger towards the edges, 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: not a full cati, because they're more rectangular. I'm giving 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: you a really long description. Sum it up by saying 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: they're rectangular ish almost cat I maroon colored. I like 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: that description. I have thick rimmed black glasses and they 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: are Gucci brand and they are the only designer thing 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: that I own. But people are but I like I 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: like it. When when people say what brand of those? 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: And I say that Gucci. The people really ask you 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: what brand of glasses? Well, it's it has a little 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: like a gold label on them, because it's flashy like that. 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: But it's like you exactly, But I do take relish 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: and in saying impatiently that Gucci and then brushing past them, 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: even if you don't have to go anywhere exactly I'm 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: in an elevator, it gets awkward. But a listener wrote 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: us recently saying, hey, ladies, question, what's up with gender 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: stereotypes and glasses? Is it just me? Or does it 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: seem like women with glasses get a whole bunch of 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: negativity and judgment sent their way? And I thought to myself, well, 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: that's a fascinating question. Well, I you know, when I 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: read it, I I my first instinct was really because, 35 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I realized that there are stereotypes of people 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: in general with glasses. But I had never really thought 37 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: because I am a glasses ware and no one's ever 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: like hit me in the face or something, or like 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: spit on my shoes, I've never really thought, well, people 40 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: think of women in glasses differently than they think of 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: men and glasses. I just thought, well, everybody thinks we're 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: all just nerds. Yeah, and I do think that the 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: the glass of stereotypes in general have eased as glasses 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: have become cool and hipster. And we have Warby Parker 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: largely to thank for that. They should sponsor this episode. Actually, well, 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: and you know, I have friends who wear just like plastic. 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: You know, they're not real glasses, just just for the 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: trendiness as a accessory. Um. But in our episode on 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: magical makeovers that just came out, we talked about how 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: one of the main ingredients of a magical makeover in 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: movies is the removal and snapping of glasses. It signifies 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: a lot. Glasses are loaded, people, glasses are loaded. Um well, first, 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: let's start with a very brief historical side note that 54 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: glasses were invented sometime between twelve sixty eight and twelve 55 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: eighty nine in Italy, but nobody knows for sure who 56 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, it's really clear exactly who, what, when, where, 57 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: or why. Well I guess we know why. But it's 58 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: to see better, probably probably to see better. Um, there 59 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: are probably no original hipsters back then, just wearing them 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: for kicks anyway. Um, But glasses are really a phenomenon 61 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: of the late nineteenth and early twentie centuries, according to 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Carrie Seagrove, who wrote Vision Aids in America, A Social 63 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: History of Eyewear and Sight Correction since ninety hundred. Segrave rites, 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: But glasses were mentioned in an eleventh century Arabic text. 65 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: They were mentioned by Englishman Roger Bacon, and in four 66 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: spectacle makers were mentioned in Nuremberg. And there's a passage 67 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: in one of Walter Scott's pieces that mentions a lord 68 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: Calvert with spectacles on his nose, with the remark that 69 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: the invention was recent. So there's like all this conjecture 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: about when glasses came about, and before glasses were made 71 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: of glass, the earliest frames were usually made from quartz 72 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: and then were set into bone, metal or leather, which 73 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: I feel like would be some kind of Portland kit 74 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: of some artisan eyeglass makers bringing back some some bone 75 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: eyeglass frames. Absolutely, I digress um. So just to give 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: you an idea though, of how glasses in general alter 77 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: people's perceptions of both men and women alike, we found 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: a study called Stereotypes in reach know print advertising the 79 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: effects of gender and physical Appearance on Consumer Perceptions that 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: was published in December two thousand one, and they talk 81 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: a lot about how models who wear glasses or don't 82 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: wear glasses will change people's perceptions of masculinity or femininity, intelligence, attractiveness, 83 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: and the study author Charlotte Allen, sites studies from sixty 84 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: eight and seventy one that suggests that people who wear 85 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: glasses are perceived as more intelligent and industrious than people 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: who don't wear glasses. It also has effects on social 87 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: things too. There was a study from researcher Roger Terry 88 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: that found glasses were associated with attributes of diminished social 89 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: forcefulness but heightened competence. So you're kind of lame and shy, 90 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: but thank god you're highly alert and competent. And let's 91 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: now get down to the attractiveness factor, because this leads 92 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: directly into that listeners question of gendered stereotypes, especially for 93 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: women who wear glasses. There's study which found that women 94 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and men wearing glasses we're seen as more feminine and masculine, respectively. However, 95 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: a lot of times this study and others have found 96 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: that women who wear glasses are rated as a less attractive, 97 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: more so than men. Who wear glasses. Yeah, women are 98 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: really getting the short end of the stick as far 99 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: as glasses stereotypes go, apparently, and this image, this, there's 100 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: a strong image that still exists in our culture in 101 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: which a woman who wears glasses is automatically downgraded, like 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: that's that's a very strong stereotype. But these bookish stereotypes 103 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: go way back. Laura Brandt's thesis for the College of 104 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: William and Mary talks a little bit about the history 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: of these stereotypes, and she introduces her thesis by talking 106 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: about uh. Elizabeth Payson Prentice, who in September eighteen forty 107 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: wrote a letter to a friend worried that because her 108 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: sister wore glasses, a guy she liked thought that she 109 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: too was a blue stalking, which is a derogatory term 110 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: or referring to a dangerously literary female, which to me 111 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: sounds awesome. But she was like thinking that this love 112 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: interest of hers, you know, she's twenty two years old. 113 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: She's like, this guy is gonna think I'm a nerd too. 114 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Oh man. Well, in n six, Dorothy Parker did not 115 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: help things at all because she wrote this poem called 116 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: news Item, from which we get the phrase that is 117 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: often repeated and kind of mangled today, but the original goes, 118 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: men seldom make passes at girls who wear glasses. A 119 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: lot of times it's misquoted as men never make passes, 120 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: but just seldom every now and then, well we'll catch 121 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: a break. But yeah, Dorothy Parker, come on, lady, help 122 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: a gal out, because in that fear of being, you know, 123 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: ending up in Spinsterville because you don't have perfect vision 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: was so alive and well, well, it's it's strange to 125 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: read some of the perspectives on early glasses wearing women 126 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: because they're they're terrible people have like this terrible image 127 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: of women in glasses, and not only from like a 128 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: judge perspective, but also from like a ah, you poor thing. Um. 129 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: In eight there was this Saturday Evening Post article by J. C. 130 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Furnace who wrote, as for glasses, the average smart woman 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: would almost rather shave her head or wear high laced 132 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: boots to a dance than put on spectacles for permanent 133 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: wear and public as well. I mean, it was a 134 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: genuine fear among parents, sisters apparently, uh and women who 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: were born with imperfect eyesight who needed vision correction that 136 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: glasses were pretty much a Roman to death sentence because 137 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot of this is framed in terms of women 138 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: who wear glasses scare men away from making passes, right, 139 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: And I just wonder, like sidebar, I kind of just 140 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: wonder what it is about women wearing glasses back then 141 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: that's carried on to today that that is so awful. 142 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: Like I know, it's associated with like a spinster stereotype 143 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: and old women wearing glasses and things like that, But 144 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I wonder if that goes back to some historical thing 145 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: of like, not a lot of people used to read. 146 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: There was not compulsory education, So I wonder if it 147 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: was like a people who wore glasses were men who 148 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: were in charge of government things that. You know, I'm like, 149 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm giving you such a wishy washy hypothesis, but well, 150 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I am a feeling that, at least in more contemporary times, 151 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: that the thought of the association of glasses with learning 152 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: and intelligence would be a negative thing for women, because 153 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: it would be an idea that, well, this is a 154 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: woman who's more interested in books than she is keeping 155 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: up her appearance and wanting to take care of perhaps 156 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: more domestic womanly duties. So you're sort of broadcasting that 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: you're transgressing social norm Yeah, she's a dangerous blue stocking exactly, 158 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: literary female. Look at that literary female. You can read um. 159 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: But in the nineteen thirties through the nineteen fifties we 160 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: do see a bit of a change towards more acceptance 161 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: for women wearing glasses, as they do take more of 162 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: a Warby Parker esque turn for being a fashion accessory 163 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: that women can actually work with. And this is again 164 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: from that book Vision Aids in America by Carrie Segrave. 165 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: And in nineteen thirty four, for instance, the American Optical 166 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: Company published a booklet of beauty Secrets for women with 167 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: glasses to overcome the quote unquote social handicap, and it 168 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: included tips on how to pick up flattering glasses, makeup 169 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: tips and eyebrow was shaping hints, as well as the 170 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: proper selection of hats to go with your glasses. I 171 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: wonder what my corresponding hat would be. Well imagine though, 172 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: how back then the glasses selection was very limited. And 173 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, you and I both tried on glasses frames before, 174 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: and it is not easy to find something that actually 175 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: does flatter your face shape. When I went and got 176 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: my glasses me, and it's been years now. When I 177 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: when I got my Gucci frames years ago, I put 178 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: on countless frames before I found something that that didn't 179 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: make my face look very odd. Well, yeah, I mean, 180 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's hard for me to judge my own 181 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: face shape because I always go for a certain type 182 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: of frame, and when I put on my face, I'm like, 183 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, it looks like a bug eyed, Like 184 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: it looks like I've got these huge fly eyes. So 185 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: now that's why I've learned that I have to wear 186 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: these like skinny, Like my frames are slightly thick, but 187 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: I have to wear skinny glasses. But imagine they're walking 188 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: into a store in the being like, oh, that's the 189 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: only fame we got, so get used to that. I mean, 190 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: my brother is thirteen years older, and when he was 191 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: a kid, he also had trouble in the visual department, 192 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: and he pretty much only had the option of wearing 193 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: these like really thick what would now be considered very 194 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: trendy glasses, which on him, as a little pale child, 195 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: look pretty silly. Well, in the New York Times declared 196 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: that girls who wear glasses no longer tried to pretend 197 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: that they don't, so if the New York Times prints it, 198 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: then it must be true. But that that is a 199 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: signal though that slowly a glasses were starting to come 200 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: out in a little bit more of a variety and 201 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: be that maybe this negative stereotype was lessing. And at 202 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: the same time, Hollywood starlets were starting to be not 203 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: only filmed every now and then with their character wearing 204 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: glasses and more accessory kind of way, perhaps if they 205 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: were reading, lounging and reading um and they were also 206 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: studio shots of starlett's wearing glasses every now and then. 207 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: There's why I forget what movie it was, but there 208 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: are some films with, for instance, Marilyn Monroe wearing glasses, 209 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: and of course she would probably take them off before 210 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: she attracted the leading men. But nevertheless part of the makeover. 211 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: But it's part of the normalization though of actually like 212 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: seeing them on attractive and famous women. I mean to me, 213 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: reading all of this background in history, is it seems 214 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: very melodramatic. I mean to me, is somebody in a 215 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: modern era who wears glasses? I'm like, well, why are 216 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: these people freaking alice so much? But it was really 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: like it was really against the grain. Well, think about it, 218 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: when you're one career aspiration that's really viable is to 219 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: become a wife and a mother, and all of a 220 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: sudden you have to wear glasses, which apparently, you know, 221 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: kicks you out of that game. It would be devastating. Um. 222 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: And by nineteen fifty three, you know, we see maybe 223 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that the sea change has really taken place in earnest 224 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: when journalist Leonora Halpern writes that there was once a time, 225 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: not so very long ago, that when when a member 226 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: of the female sex considered a minor tragedy if a 227 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: visit to the oculist led to the recommendation of glasses. 228 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: I remember really wanting glasses. I got glasses in sixth grade. 229 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: I did too because I saw a girl who had 230 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: pink framed glasses. During that time, when you know, all 231 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, those kinds of things seemed very neato. Yeah, 232 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: but this was like nineteen ninety six, So I had 233 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: those those glasses that are very prevalent in the early 234 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and mid nineties, which were like big and round on 235 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: the bottom and flat on the top of their wire rims. Yeah, 236 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: I could have been like in a nineties journalism, newspaper, 237 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: movie or something that's how I think of them. Should 238 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: bring them back. But there's a lot of academic research 239 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: out there confirming what we're talking about, which is the 240 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: gender stereotypes and perceptions exists around glasses. I mean a lot, 241 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't expecting to find as much as I found. 242 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: And one of those studies, for instance, talks about job applicants. 243 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: This was a study going way back to and optometry 244 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: and vision science that talks about eyeglasses, especially when worn 245 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: by the male applicant, we're associated with feminine stereotypes and 246 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: positive task relevant attributes. So men who wear eyeglasses maybe 247 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: the target of some negative social stereotypes, but they're redeemed 248 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: because they're like, well, they're going to get the job done. 249 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: But women who wore glasses were more likely to be 250 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: the target only of the negative social judgments because you're 251 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: woman's you're already feminine, so you only get that negative 252 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: social judgment. So even still decades after, you know, women 253 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: are saying, oh okay, we we can wear glasses everything, 254 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: You'll be fine, but still still stereotypes person. And there's 255 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: an interesting height study height and glasses looking at men 256 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: in particular and Donald Ellman. This is the N seven 257 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: study found that glasses and height effect perception of masculinity. 258 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: In particular, students were asked to rate a male student, 259 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: and the form told the students that the guy was 260 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: either five four or six four and had an attached 261 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: photo that showed him either with or without glasses. So 262 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: the tall guy was rated as more extroverted and attractive 263 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: than the short guy. The glasses guy was rated as softer, gentler, 264 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: more sensitive, and more of a follower than no glasses guy. 265 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: But when you're both, when you're a dude in the 266 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: study and you're both short and spectacle wearing, more feminine 267 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: ratings were produced. I wonder why the glasses elicit that 268 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of femininity. I guess it's because we do associate 269 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: glasses with the bookishness, with being more quiet and introverted 270 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: and therefore less masculine. Yeah, and also are going to 271 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: be perceived as more honest if you're wearing glasses. Both 272 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: both men and women are perceived as more honest when 273 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: they're wearing glasses. This is a study from Tony Bartolini, 274 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: who found that regular glasses enhanced perceived authority, while sunglasses 275 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: reduced it. Women in regular glasses were seen as more 276 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: honest than any other intersections. So whether you're wearing sunglasses, 277 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: regular glasses or no glasses, and whether you're male or female, 278 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: men in sunglasses were perceived to be the least honest 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: out of all of them. I can get that. Yeah, 280 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what is he doing behind those glasses? Um? 281 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: But Mary Harris researcher Mary Harris did find some conflicting stereotypes. 282 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: She had this really big study about, you know, surrounding 283 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: glasses and gender, and you know, she confirmed a lot 284 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: of the things that we already know. That people wearing 285 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: glasses were considered to be less attractive and less sexy, 286 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: more intelligent, and more intense. But men considered the typical 287 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: woman with glasses as sexier and more attractive than they 288 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: did the typical woman without glasses. And the contrast to 289 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: the earlier studies that we mentioned talking about femininity, she 290 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: found that men with glasses were considered to be more 291 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: masculine and women more feminine. So I guess she found 292 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: that it strengthened your masculinity or your femininity, depending And 293 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: I know I've thrown out a lot of research at you. 294 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: But one thing that I want to point out from 295 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: Mary Harris's research is that these people that she was 296 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: studying were rated according to eighteen traits, both like honesty, attractiveness, 297 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: things like that, but also things that they would likely 298 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: be doing. And one odd thing that I found is 299 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: that of the eighteen traits rated, the only ones that 300 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: were statistically significant were that people with glasses were seen 301 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: as less attractive and sexy, more likely to go to bars, 302 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: and less likely to listen to music and read when 303 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: not wearing glasses. When not wearing glasses, Yeah, so if 304 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: you're wearing glasses, people assume that you're going to be 305 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: reading and listening to music a lot, you know, and 306 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: when you're wearing glasses, they think you're gonna go to bars. 307 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: Very interesting. I just I just thought that was very odd. 308 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: Wanted to bring that up. It's so well, I mean, 309 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: all of this is just a case study in the 310 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: bizarre associations that we make about people, just based on 311 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: something that's not even like physically part of them. And 312 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: to make it even a little more complicated, Harris found 313 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: that basically in her conclusion of studying all of these 314 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: traits and all of these intersections of assumptions about people. 315 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: It all just depends. But because um, you know, they're 316 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: going to look at a picture of you and they're 317 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: gonna say she's a nerd, or she's bookish, or she 318 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: reads a lot, or she's timid because she wears glasses. 319 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: But if they actually spend more than like twenty minutes 320 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: with you, then they don't necessarily see the glasses anymore. 321 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: They just see you and hear you talking. So it's 322 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: all and how these studies are conducted, because if you 323 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: just show a picture, might just be like, yeah, Christens 324 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: a nerd, But if you actually if the person actually 325 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: sits down with you, they're gonna be like Christians a nerd. Okay, 326 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: bad example, But you see what I'm saying, Yeah, well, 327 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I mean and and that is why you know, some 328 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: of these studies are are definitely grain of salt. But 329 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: one thing in a lot of them that that is 330 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: confirmed over and over again, just kind of as a 331 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: general point, is that these stereotypes set in at a 332 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: very young age. A lot of these studies focused around 333 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: asking first graders, say, you know, what do you think 334 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: about you know, this person with glasses versus person without glasses? 335 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: And even at you know, under ten years old. We 336 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: have a thing built in our heads of glasses or 337 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: for nerds and frumpy women, and you know, that's that's 338 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: the way it is. And there was even um a 339 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: study in June in the European Journal of Experimental Psychology 340 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: which found that kids internalized this. Kids who wear glasses 341 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: internalize these negative stereotypes. And they found it while wearing 342 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: glasses doesn't necessarily undercut a child's global self esteem, it 343 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: does tend to negatively impact their self perception of physical appearance. 344 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: They don't think that they look as cool with glasses on. 345 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Even though side note, I find children who wear glasses adorable. 346 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: They are because those glasses are very small. My yeah, 347 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: my baby cousin wears glasses and he's the cutest. But 348 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: little girls, I mean, just like women, little girls get 349 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: the short end of the stick. To a May two 350 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: thousand eight study called Children's Attitudes about Kids and Eyeglasses 351 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: That's straightforward, very straightforward, found that athletic boys wearing glasses 352 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: were more positively received than athletic girls wearing glasses. And this, 353 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, drives with a study from the Journal of 354 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Social Psychology in August that talked to first graders about 355 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: their perceptions and found that kids with glasses were rated 356 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: lower in attractiveness even at that age, but especially if 357 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: they were girls, even even in first grade. Yeah, yeah, 358 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean the most shocking to me was one asking 359 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: teachers to rate students and the teachers dinged all of 360 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: the kids with glasses, and again similar thing, especially for 361 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: the girls on the attractiveness ratings and um even though 362 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: it was completely unscientific. Reporter Taryn winter Brill from ABC 363 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: News decided to test out how perceptions of her would 364 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: change in the real world if she left everything the same. 365 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: She's very attractive, brunette, long hair, and she wanted to 366 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: see what would happen if she just put a pair 367 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: of glasses on. And she found that, for instance, in 368 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: a job interview, there wasn't a very big difference between 369 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: the ratings of her with or without glasses, except in teamwork, 370 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: in which they found that when she was wearing the glasses, 371 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: the recruiters thought that she would not do as well. 372 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: I just wonder if that if there's an assumption like 373 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: you're wearing glasses, you're shy, you're an introvert, because people 374 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: have all those assumptions about introverts, absolutely, but the dating 375 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: scenario was far more stark of a contrast um and 376 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: it was funny. I mean, she's wearing the exact same 377 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: thing and she was rated nine points lower on attractiveness 378 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: when she was simply wearing a pair of unassuming frames. 379 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: And it was so funny because she like went and 380 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: sat in front of a panel of guys, you know, 381 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: perspective dates, and so you know, there was real time 382 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: interaction and in their rating afterwards with her without the glasses, 383 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, she seems like very fun and great. 384 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: I'd just love to take it out on a date. 385 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: And her putting on the glasses, They're like, I don't know, 386 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: she could maybe make for like a good friend. Um. 387 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: But and it was it was kind of across the board, 388 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: all the guys like, yeah, I don't, I don't really know. Interesting. 389 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Interesting What all these studies and experiments say about our society, 390 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: our culture are assumptions about people and and maybe what 391 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: you should do on a date. Perhaps, But I do 392 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: think though that the situation for glasses wearers has improved 393 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot because I think, I don't know, I think 394 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: the glasses are are having quite a moment, Yeah, totally. 395 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, sure, you have the whole hipster glasses thing 396 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a joke, but even for 397 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: for women, I think that the the whole women wearing 398 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: glasses and maybe looking powerful and books is a positive 399 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: thing more than ever before, and even a sexy thing. 400 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean, now we're getting into the sexy librarian trope, 401 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: which is obnoxious. Um. But the first person that popped 402 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: into my mind is Zoe Decanelle, whose character and new 403 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: girl in the off screen as well, is always wearing 404 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: a big pair of frames and she looks adorable or adorable, 405 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: as is their tackle in them, and it's part of 406 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: her her attractive appeal is that she puts on the glasses. 407 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: I don't know what to think, but you know what, 408 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you what do you think though, 409 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: is a glasses wearing lady. Do you do you think 410 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: that out in public or the workplace, in the dating realm, 411 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: that you are judged differently when you're wearing glasses? Well, 412 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean I wear my contact of the time, so 413 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean, I've it seems like 414 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: everybody've ever dated when I've put glasses on, has thought 415 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: I looked cute, and that could be that they're biased 416 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: because they're dating me, but you know, I don't. I 417 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: also tend to date guys who are bookish just like 418 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: I am, so that wouldn't be a turn off. They 419 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't think, oh, she's timid and a spinster. Yeah, I 420 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: will say that I've noticed that maybe I'm I do 421 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: buy into all the negative stereotypes because when I am single, 422 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: I wear my glasses less than I do when I'm 423 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: in a relationship, because it is the thing where you know, 424 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: usually when you put your glasses on and hope, unless 425 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: he's a jerk, you're going to get a favorable review. Um. 426 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: And I will say though that right now I'm into 427 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: the show Damages with Glenn Close is my guilty pleasure 428 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: right now. It's on Netflix if you have Netflix, and 429 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Glenn Close's character is so fun to watch, if only 430 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: just to count the number of times she does a 431 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: dramatic glasses rip off and she uses the glasses as 432 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: an instrument of her power in a way of putting 433 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: them on of taking them off. And she's this like crazy, fierce, intelligent, 434 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: cunning kind of evil woman. And as we were, you know, 435 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: studying up for this podcast, I would take, you know, 436 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: little damages breaks and just marvel at the power of 437 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: those glasses. Well that that's funny that you talk about 438 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: her glasses being used as the power thing. Because in 439 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: that book Vision Aids that we reference, they have a 440 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: whole section talking about the pop psychology of the seventies 441 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: and eighties and how they got really deep into what 442 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: does it mean when the boss like rips his glasses 443 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: off or or squeezes them together, pushes them up on 444 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: his nose and or it's chewing on the little earbud thing. Like, 445 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: there's this whole pop psychology behind what executives do with 446 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: their glasses. Yeah. Well, and then like the whole chewing 447 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: of the chewing on the earbuds, there's that of a 448 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, pensive and also the sexy chewing of the 449 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: earbuds thing. Yeah. It's once you really start thinking about 450 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: how we use and manipulate glasses and what we think 451 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: about people who wear glasses, they take on so many 452 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: new meanings. You know, I'm going to think about that 453 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the next time. I have really dark circles under my eyes. 454 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: So I decided where my glasses it work instead, it's 455 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: maybe want to buy new glasses just to accessorize. I know, 456 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: but they're so expensive. They are kind of expensive. But 457 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: I hope this has been um fun and enlightening for 458 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: all of our glasses and non glasses wears. Oh one 459 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: statistic I didn't point out though, is that I wonder 460 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: if all of the more glasses negativity being directed at 461 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: women is one of the reasons why two thirds caroline 462 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: of contact lens wearers are women. I tried to find 463 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: statistics on the gender breakdown of lasic eye surgery, but 464 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. It might be not I mean, 465 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: it's not new, but I wonder if you know, maybe 466 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: there's not the industry collective right there, but if anyone knows, 467 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: because I wonder too if there's a similar pattern of 468 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: more women opting for it so that we don't have 469 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: to wear glasses. Interesting, lots of things to think about 470 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: our eyeballs. Women are also Caroline. I found more prone 471 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: to dry eye. Oh well, I just found out not 472 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: too long ago that I have an instigma to the 473 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: oh no, in my left eye. That's why my contact. 474 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: My mother's like, why are you always winking at me? 475 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: Because my my left eye have an a stigmatism and 476 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: the contacts bothered them. But I got new contacts that 477 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: are thicker. They would be qualified as coke bottle contact lenses. 478 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: So it's I don't know, it's for a stigmatism things. 479 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm rambling. So is it better for you 480 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: if you wear your glasses? Technically yes, but I just 481 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: feel like I don't know it's I can't. I also 482 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: get migraines if the things, if it's too bright, so 483 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: I need sunglasses and I don't have prescription sunglasses. So 484 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: it's a whole thing. You know. What we need to do, Caroline, 485 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: what we need to take a picture of ourselves and 486 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: our glasses posted on our facebooks, absolutely our Facebook singular 487 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: page for people to look at us and say, look 488 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: at those four eyes. All right, that's all I got. 489 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: So glasses wearers out there. You want to hear from 490 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: you Mom stuff at Discovery dot com is where you 491 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: can send your letters. Let us know over on Facebook 492 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: and tweet us a mom Stuff podcast all of your 493 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: glasses related thoughts. And before we get to a couple 494 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: of those letters, we're gonna take a quick break and 495 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: get right back to you. And now back to our letters, Chris, 496 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: and I have one here from Audrey about our boy 497 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: bands episode. She says, well, I've never cared for the 498 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: traditional boy bands new kids on the block in Saint 499 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. I did have one favorite when I was 500 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: a kid, the Chipmunks. I had tons of Chipmunks cassette 501 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: tapes that I played until I wore them out, and 502 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go to bed without my Alvin doll. Like 503 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the Monkeys, they had their own television show. Alvin was 504 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: my favorite because he had a big A on his 505 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: shirt and my name begins with A as well. According 506 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: to kid Logic. Other than that, boy bands just don't 507 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: appeal to me. But it was fun hearing about them 508 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: rather than actually hearing them, So thank you, Audrey. Caroline. 509 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of boy bands, fact, last night I dreamed that 510 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: I had an encounter with Malik from one direction and 511 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: that we were going to date. But then I woke up, 512 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then I immediately felt guilty and I 513 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: was like cheating all my boyfriend with relief from one 514 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: direction anyway, dreams Well, I have an email here subject 515 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: line I make people cry for a living, and so 516 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: of course I had to open it and see what 517 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: on earth Lauren was talking about. She is writing her 518 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: dissertation for her doctor and clinical pology right, and she 519 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: works as a mental health counselor at a small private practice, 520 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: and she writes while listening to your podcast on crying 521 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: at work, I figured I probably have an interesting perspective 522 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: to share being in the field of psychology. Sometimes when 523 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: people asking what I do, I'm half tempted to respond 524 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: I make adults cry for a living. Rarely does the 525 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: workday go by that someone has not cried in my office. 526 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: It's always interesting to observe people's reactions to their own tears. 527 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Some are completely comfortable crying in front of me, even 528 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: looking forward to a weakly cry in therapy. Others refuse 529 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: to acknowledge your own tears or take tissues to clean 530 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: up the mess. Still, others will go so far as 531 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: to worry that I think poorly of them for crying. 532 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: This last situation never ceases to amaze me. It's healthy 533 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: and normal to cry when talking about deep emotional issues, 534 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: and guess what, You're not the first person to cry 535 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: in my office. I'm actually more likely to worry if 536 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: I see a client for an extended period of time 537 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: and he or she does not cry, This may indicate 538 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: the patient lacks insight into his or her problems, meaning 539 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: therapy may not be very productive if insight is not gained. 540 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: So I would say to that then, Caroline, perhaps crying 541 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: in the workplace is maybe a good sign that you're 542 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: getting intest with your feelings in a very public place. 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