Speaker 1: This he's Talking Cowboys rereading live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Cha. Here are
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Brian Rods, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome
Speaker 1: everybody here into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. We are excited
Speaker 1: after one week of OTAs, we have more to talk
Speaker 1: about here. Of course we have to recap OTAs what happened,
Speaker 1: what you should know. Of course, we've definitely got Rob's
Speaker 1: Twitter poll coming up in the third segment, So if
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Speaker 1: owners meetings to review and then looking ahead to OTA's
Speaker 1: week at number two. So we're in it. We're ready
Speaker 1: to win. We have officially one hundred days until the
Speaker 1: NFL season today, not necessarily the Cowboys season, but until
Speaker 1: the NFL season starts. It's one hundred, exactly one hundred
Speaker 1: for the cow Thursday Night opener. The Cowboys opener, Thursday
Speaker 1: Night opener on Thursday, will be a hundred for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So and it feels like two days till training camp.
Speaker 1: We're gonna wake up tomorrow and it's gonna be time
Speaker 1: to get on that play. Two months Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: roughly right. You're excited about this training camp? Seven weeks?
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right? You enjoy all that because it's already
Speaker 1: a hundred degrees out, Yes, exactly, start right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey's minutes a training camp were hard to come up,
Speaker 1: come by because he was so happy out there. I
Speaker 1: know he was. Yeah, bring those back well because I
Speaker 1: didn't have to read the durned paper every morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, life just goes by a little slower for
Speaker 1: a newspaper man. That's a hard thing to do, right, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in this world. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: is about that. Yeah, well, that's why we have the
Speaker 1: joy of talking about Cowboys. And it's exciting it's going
Speaker 1: on out here. And the first thing I want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys, because we've got a lot to get into,
Speaker 1: is this the making of a dangerous Cowboys defense? And
Speaker 1: I pose that question to my lovely panel here because
Speaker 1: of what I saw at OTAs. We were all fortunate
Speaker 1: to see DeMarcus Lawrence get the tag, his attitude toward it.
Speaker 1: You know he's talking, I'm not the normal guy here
Speaker 1: in this situation. We have a fully healthy Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones fully at cornerback. We've talked extensively about what
Speaker 1: Chris Richard can possibly do with this young secondary. You
Speaker 1: have the undrafted Cam Kelly making a little bit of
Speaker 1: a splash there, Sean Lee being smart taking a second
Speaker 1: to not just jump into Ota, saving his body. So
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to get you guys to discuss
Speaker 1: this at least because I think there's something that all
Speaker 1: fans are excited about. Is this something you can hold
Speaker 1: on to. It's a great discussion point. I like that because, um,
Speaker 1: I think you can look at certain spots on the
Speaker 1: defense and say this might be the deepest we've seen
Speaker 1: under Rod Marinelli. I'm looking at the defensive line and
Speaker 1: maybe that pass rush rotation and say, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: if Lawrence Armstrong fourth round pick, can develop, Cony Eely
Speaker 1: steps in. Rod's always liked a big rotation, But maybe
Speaker 1: this is a group with Lawrence coming on as a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guy, this might be the best pass Russian
Speaker 1: group he's had since he came here In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: fourteen came here with Ryan after rob Ryan after Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm this is gonna sound weird, but I'm gonna the rotation.
Speaker 1: I it might this defense might come down to what
Speaker 1: do they do? What do they figure out a defensive tackle?
Speaker 1: And I saw some good things from jahad Ward and
Speaker 1: I and I and I mean this in a positive
Speaker 1: way of movement, strength, being difficult to block. Again, it's
Speaker 1: different when you have pads on. He might just go
Speaker 1: by the wayside and we get to Yeah. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you for a team looking for defensive tackle help,
Speaker 1: this jihad Ward trade might have might pan out for
Speaker 1: these guys. If if you weren't going to do anything
Speaker 1: with Ryan Switzer, you know, if you had an idea
Speaker 1: of plans for other things, or and you said, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna anything Ryan Switzer, We'll just move off
Speaker 1: from him. But to get jihad Ward, if in fact
Speaker 1: he comes in, I would not be surprised if jihad
Speaker 1: Ward push his first starting role here. I really really wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I think there's that tight he's got that kind of ability.
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, if you're depending on what's
Speaker 1: happened with Collins and his foot. You're gonna see plenty
Speaker 1: of Jihad Ward and I'm really I'm fascinated by I
Speaker 1: didn't seeing him on tape was different for me than
Speaker 1: seeing him live and seeing him move around in his size,
Speaker 1: his physical size. I just I'm kind of throwing that
Speaker 1: out there as a guy that that might make a difference,
Speaker 1: one of those trades that might actually work out for
Speaker 1: this football team. They need him to make a difference,
Speaker 1: because if you look at that defensive line rotation at
Speaker 1: tackle during that Ota practice, you're sitting there and going, hmm,
Speaker 1: there's no Collins, David Irving right right right, and you're
Speaker 1: going and you're looking at the second team guys, and
Speaker 1: it's Ash and Brian Price, Price, and although they kind
Speaker 1: of like Price, yeah, brought him back, but nothing Dayton Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dayton Jones was working with the first team exactly. A
Speaker 1: guy's missing, and it's like, I don't know, but you're
Speaker 1: count Onmolee coming back healthy. Well, you're counting on David
Speaker 1: Irving getting in joy Healthy's a kind of you were
Speaker 1: counting on it, and but you still got to have
Speaker 1: another defensive tackle to start, Yeah, and and and you
Speaker 1: know we'll see about all these defensive ends. I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of optimism out there with these guys,
Speaker 1: but we got to see and I think you saying
Speaker 1: that Jalen Smith's one hundred percent healthy, maybe of tad optimistic.
Speaker 1: Also we got to see it when the pads come on.
Speaker 1: And then how quickly vander Esh is able to read
Speaker 1: into her. I read into her comment is the no brace,
Speaker 1: which makes me feel like that at least they feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough health wise that that they, Hey, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to play with the brace. Okay, now we'll see
Speaker 1: how well now play? And now now to your point,
Speaker 1: is okay, the thing I noticed and I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm shifting away from the defensive line, but I know
Speaker 1: these okay. With Vanderesh, I didn't see Vanderesh in the
Speaker 1: one time we got to see him play. I didn't
Speaker 1: see him move from the middle. I didn't see him.
Speaker 1: He was primarily a So okay is it? And OTA's
Speaker 1: it's real easy to move guys around just to see
Speaker 1: how they look. Jalen Smith was the one guy that
Speaker 1: kind of moved around a little bit. And and maybe
Speaker 1: that's something that we're going to read into when we
Speaker 1: get to Oxnard that Okay, they're gonna play Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: at some other position. Yeah, he could play mike linebacker.
Speaker 1: But use of these guys, they'll kind of the rookie guy.
Speaker 1: They'll say, Okay, let's see if he can play this.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he could play this. Let's see if
Speaker 1: he can play this. Yeah, And it looked like to
Speaker 1: me that they were kept. They were keeping Layton vander
Speaker 1: Eshes at mike linebacker. So to the point about Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: if he could play without the brace, give you something
Speaker 1: as one of the other linebackers, whether it's the mic,
Speaker 1: the sam wherever he has to play. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, now your defense is getting back. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever be as good as he
Speaker 1: was at Notre Dame. But I think he'll be better
Speaker 1: than he was last year. I do believe that. I'm assuming,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna ask questions. You guys are all
Speaker 1: good with Sean Lee just taking this rest? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: save him from himself, save him from himself. That's right.
Speaker 1: At and we talked. I talked to him for a
Speaker 1: while with some other reporters. He's still out there. He's
Speaker 1: out there. He says he's feeling good, but you know,
Speaker 1: that hamstring. They're focused on what they can do stretching wise,
Speaker 1: and just different things they can do to try to
Speaker 1: keep that thing healthy and long term, you know, because
Speaker 1: it has been an issue for him, and it was
Speaker 1: an issue for him multiple times last year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: no reason to push it for him. I think it's
Speaker 1: a normal routine for him this time of year. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, they're mindful of that hamstring. You
Speaker 1: know what, It's almost a blessing because they don't need
Speaker 1: him out there. Yeah, Joe Thomas gets to work and
Speaker 1: they get there. You go, yeah, weak side because you
Speaker 1: still need a backup. And I think when you mentioned
Speaker 1: vander esh they kept him a middle linebacker, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that you want to overload the rookie right away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that gives him moving around though, Oh he
Speaker 1: I mean it will be I'll make the prediction right now.
Speaker 1: It will be on the Nickel defense. Oh no, that's
Speaker 1: that's very It was. Best traits is his ability to coverage,
Speaker 1: and I noticed because he can get he can then
Speaker 1: he notices where the ball is aware and drive on it.
Speaker 1: Not to break it up, but drive on it to
Speaker 1: make a tackle. Right plan, Playing Mike makes the most
Speaker 1: sense because they believe he can play Mike or Will Well.
Speaker 1: That's that's Sean Lee's spot. And when you hear team
Speaker 1: officials talk about who he can be, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a Brian er Lacker type. It's a relatable comparison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Orlando McLean a guy because you gotta have a guy
Speaker 1: in the middle who can cover a just uh, come
Speaker 1: up and tackle, cover a lot of ground and he's
Speaker 1: able to. You've talked about that. His movement is probably
Speaker 1: his best side. They've targeted him as a guy clearly
Speaker 1: that has that ability to, like Mickey said, to play
Speaker 1: in those sub packages where it's drop, read, react, get
Speaker 1: to the football, because he could do all that for
Speaker 1: a for a long guy, he's got some ability to turn.
Speaker 1: Usually with long leg or limbed players, it takes them
Speaker 1: time to turn to get everything going the right direction.
Speaker 1: With him, it's very quick and the way he gets
Speaker 1: going and I think that's one of the traits that
Speaker 1: they really really liked about him. I mentioned mentioned Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas again, I like, I appreciate you doing that though
Speaker 1: I think the will linebacker stuff that he showed some
Speaker 1: stuff because he was a middle linebacker with Green Bay.
Speaker 1: But he's got some of the traits that you see
Speaker 1: with mobility wise and things. They used some things with
Speaker 1: him and the nickel playing with him and Vander Eshens
Speaker 1: and as those guys and I saw, I saw some
Speaker 1: good things with him as far as the read, the reaction,
Speaker 1: getting to the football, the ability to run. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know there were some times at Green Bay where you
Speaker 1: watched and play where he didn't have that kind those
Speaker 1: kinds of traits. Uh, you know, got caught in some
Speaker 1: coverage Carolina game I thought was really good for him
Speaker 1: as far as some of the coverage things, you know,
Speaker 1: having to deal with some of their packages out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. But you know this, this might be another
Speaker 1: one of those gets that the pro guys had a guy,
Speaker 1: had a guy in mind, and they said, Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: inexpensive guy, let's go get him. Uh, just some of
Speaker 1: the some positive things about him early in this camp.
Speaker 1: I think from an athletic standpoint, they're better at linebacker
Speaker 1: with this group. Yes, from a depth standpoint, because that
Speaker 1: was a concern, right, huge concern and huge concern. You
Speaker 1: know Durant couldn't stay healthy and he was at the
Speaker 1: end of his career, and then you really after that
Speaker 1: were you didn't have much. Yeah, we're really not even
Speaker 1: talk Yeah, we're not talking about we're not even talking
Speaker 1: about Damian Wilson, who was a starter, and we're not
Speaker 1: even talking about Covington yet, right, you know? And at
Speaker 1: Indiana and it certainly looks the party. He sure does
Speaker 1: and so good Bill. That's the thing about it is
Speaker 1: can they can? They did? They? Did? They help this
Speaker 1: linebacker crew enough with the guys they've added, and do
Speaker 1: they gonna put guys in the right spot? I think
Speaker 1: that they they have a plan for how they want
Speaker 1: to play it. Let's hope that all the health holds up.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm for Shaun Lee at training camp. He could
Speaker 1: stand next to me all day. Just let him coach, Yeah,
Speaker 1: him to slip board. I really don't need to do
Speaker 1: a good job now, Seriously, I don't need any wear
Speaker 1: and tear on Shawn Lee. I don't need those practices.
Speaker 1: As we've seen those practices can be pretty physical with
Speaker 1: Garrett in that bunch and I and I'm okay with
Speaker 1: just letting Seaun Lee save some wear and tear on
Speaker 1: his body. I don't think, Sean, you have to worry
Speaker 1: about shun Lee having rusted. I asked him what that
Speaker 1: conversation is like every year. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: when Witten was here, was like the trainers talk to him,
Speaker 1: the coaches talk to him, and he fights him at first,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, all right, I get it. This
Speaker 1: is better. Yeah, he feels like he needs to be
Speaker 1: out his voice needs to be out there. He needs
Speaker 1: to be leading from the front, is what he said.
Speaker 1: But look, it's may you know, let's get him ready
Speaker 1: for August and said, well, well too, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: September being September being the most important thing we've seen.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been documented by our show. And again,
Speaker 1: you don't need some former scout telling you. You watch
Speaker 1: the games he doesn't play. They're not as good on defense.
Speaker 1: Whatever you can do to let him play the forty
Speaker 1: fifty sixty snaps a game, do it. Whatever you have
Speaker 1: to do. Go that route, saying I still think there's
Speaker 1: a question mark at right corner and the slot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to move. I'm not just saying Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is over there, and that's he's got it and that
Speaker 1: makes him better. You're not giving up that fight. Well,
Speaker 1: there are there are questions about all this. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you saying that though. I mean, he's he's done some
Speaker 1: good things over there. I've seen his ability to kind
Speaker 1: of shadow the receiver a little bit better. But again,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played over there. He hasn't done that but
Speaker 1: four games he started his rookie year. So let's see
Speaker 1: what he can do and how that affects who goes
Speaker 1: in the slot, because what if he it doesn't work?
Speaker 1: Is Anthony Brown out there? You know? Is Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: out there? And who's in the slot? Yeah? What do
Speaker 1: you think is Byron Jones's best trait from what you've seen? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's got great athletic ability. Now does
Speaker 1: he have the football acumen to be able to play
Speaker 1: that corner? To know how? And I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's got to prove otherwise he's back to safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then you saying, Okay, well I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about my safety depth and I'll go back and
Speaker 1: I'll go to my graves saying no one ever finished
Speaker 1: the season and said, you know, we didn't win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl because of my safety. Give me a break. Well,
Speaker 1: the Saints take care of that middle the front and
Speaker 1: take care of those foreigners. Saints lost an NFC Divisional
Speaker 1: game because well, just because he didn't make one tackle,
Speaker 1: they lost that game. Did you like, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: Did you like like the Byron Jones coverage on Deonte
Speaker 1: Thompson last week and the deep ball down the left sideline,
Speaker 1: the catch up speed breaking it up at the end
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I didn't was impressive play. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it impressed you rom it did it? I mean
Speaker 1: it showed his He used his size and use that
Speaker 1: closing speed because he has great speed. So I think
Speaker 1: there's potential there. I'm putting trust in Chris Richard knowing
Speaker 1: what he needs to fit his scheme. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. But Bryan's talked about it. Look, you got
Speaker 1: to figure out what he is at something. Yeah, forty
Speaker 1: eight games, we're trying to figure that out. I think
Speaker 1: that the trait that might get him in the most
Speaker 1: trouble is how aggressive he is, like biting on stuff.
Speaker 1: Well I not bity, but how physical he plays at
Speaker 1: the line. Because there were a couple of times last
Speaker 1: week where the officials throw holding flags on him because
Speaker 1: he's a jam jam jam. Okay, we're at seven yards.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying. I thought one time he got called
Speaker 1: for hands in the face because he was fighting, you know,
Speaker 1: he was fighting with Michael Gallop down the sidelines and
Speaker 1: Gallup was trying to shake him and he couldn't shake him.
Speaker 1: And then the referee throws the flag and now the
Speaker 1: ball went to the other side of the field, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, when what happened there? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: see the official, Oh, he's given it the defensive holding
Speaker 1: sign and pointing, you know, towards Byron and I'm going, okay,
Speaker 1: this is where Byron Jones could get in trouble. It
Speaker 1: turns into he's struggling a little bit with his technique,
Speaker 1: and now it's like, okay, I'm just gonna turn this
Speaker 1: into a fist fight, you know, And you'd think of
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, you don't think a fist fight, but he'll
Speaker 1: play with some physicality on along the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I think of Byron Jones, I think physical. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've seen some of his amazing hits. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I mean, you could, but I think that's
Speaker 1: the one thing. It might be a strength of his
Speaker 1: a trait. I like what Mickey was saying though about
Speaker 1: And Mickey's absolutely right about questioning you know that move
Speaker 1: because we're you know, let's see it and I and
Speaker 1: I'm usually the I'm usually the okay, let's I'm me personally,
Speaker 1: I am very surprised they moved him. I really really am.
Speaker 1: But that just shows you the influence that Chris rap
Speaker 1: Shard has on this group. Now, it's funny what you
Speaker 1: said about being overly aggressive and Christopher Shard, what did
Speaker 1: he say a couple of weeks ago about what he
Speaker 1: likes his bigger corners to dogs disrupted the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's Byron Jones can do that, So you gotta
Speaker 1: harness it and follow your technique, right. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it is, And they changed my understanding is
Speaker 1: the technique they want the corners playing on which hip
Speaker 1: which you have to play? Yeah, that was stut on
Speaker 1: your point, and they thought that he would be more
Speaker 1: conducive to playing that way than way they used to
Speaker 1: play it. So, but I think that's what we'll see.
Speaker 1: That's why I keep saying this training camp is going
Speaker 1: to be one of the more interesting ones we've covered
Speaker 1: in quite some time, because there's a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: where you think it's pretty good, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: we'll see. Let me ask you this. You're gonna ask
Speaker 1: the question, what do you mean the question about the
Speaker 1: second they're about the corners? What if I think the
Speaker 1: position depth is to me, okay, do you think is
Speaker 1: the best position on the roster? Yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: it's the best. Do you think the corner backs as
Speaker 1: a group are the best? Is the best position on
Speaker 1: this roster? Okay? Okay? Offensive line? I was I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, give me, give me okay, Jack Martin and okay, okay,
Speaker 1: give me Ezekiel and Ezekiel Elliott zeks. I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Though. There's a lot of bodies there now,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of young talent, right, multiple talent. Well,
Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna end up
Speaker 1: cutting somebody that can make a roster because I could
Speaker 1: do Thomas or something like that, Marquez White, marquess him. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying cut. Let's not forget him. No, no,
Speaker 1: I have talking about rookie. I haven't forgot I haven't
Speaker 1: forgot him at all, because I think he's a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for what and and actually it seems all length, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it kind of feels like that they're they're kind
Speaker 1: of pushing him into some roles and taking Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: in another direction. Jordan Lewis is like, guys, I ain't
Speaker 1: going away. You might put me on the second team
Speaker 1: at left corner, and you might put me in the slot,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going away. So that that, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just kind of feel like it's the way that they're
Speaker 1: playing Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis went from a what fourteen
Speaker 1: game starter basically to being a guy that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now is we're gonna move a safety. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play him at right corner, and Jordan Lewis, you
Speaker 1: get to play left corner and you're in a backup
Speaker 1: And and by the way, Jordan Lewis, you don't even
Speaker 1: get to play in the slot with the first unit.
Speaker 1: Anthony Anthony Brown, We're gonna put you in the slot.
Speaker 1: He's not he's not the prototypical size corner though, right.
Speaker 1: I mean he might be one of the best players
Speaker 1: they have. Richards says, he's the exception to the rule because,
Speaker 1: like Tay said, he's a force. He's physical, he'll battle
Speaker 1: you even though he's five ten, one seventy five. Oh
Speaker 1: he did that Scholtz ball goes up and then side.
Speaker 1: What does he do? He goes with him. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things I learned last week about the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: and I guess the dbs in whole. They did a
Speaker 1: lot of exercises at gymnastics gyms over the off season. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was the first I had heard of it. That
Speaker 1: every week they were doing different gymnastics training. Wow, double
Speaker 1: flips on the high, double flips, whatever it takes. Knock
Speaker 1: the ball from Leo Jones there in weeks six. But
Speaker 1: I would love to see exactly what they're doing. But
Speaker 1: apparently they all went together. You know, they're pretty close,
Speaker 1: all these young dbs, they're very close. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about the Jordan Lewis. Those guys think they're competitive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing it's funny, Rob brought up Byron Jones made
Speaker 1: a gymnastics move of basically laying out and playing with
Speaker 1: off hands. Yeah, so I think it's with the exception
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. Who got to talk about no, no,
Speaker 1: But I mean, but as far as the position depth,
Speaker 1: I think it's a really really good group. I do.
Speaker 1: I like what they have with White and with Lewis
Speaker 1: and with the Woozier. And you know, we'll see. Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: I'm aggressive in the off season to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see, you know. I mean, Nicky's right. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna put somebody on the street or trade. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown could get back to where he played his fresh
Speaker 1: is fresh freshman year rookie. I understood when you said it.
Speaker 1: I did. It's like, yeah, it's freshman year junior Switzer
Speaker 1: too much Yeah, over the years, but yeah, if he
Speaker 1: can get back to doing that and you got a
Speaker 1: five six man rotation there quarterback. Yeah, because they felt
Speaker 1: like two year a year ago that that dB group
Speaker 1: had reached the ceiling with Claiborne and Church, Wilcox, Scandrick, Scandrick.
Speaker 1: Now it's these rookie second year guys and maybe they
Speaker 1: make a big jump to show they were hard pressed
Speaker 1: to find four guys a couple of years ago to
Speaker 1: play corner. And you would like to have five for sure,
Speaker 1: and they were hard pressed to put that fourth one
Speaker 1: on the road. Ask you this the four guys real quick,
Speaker 1: the four guys. You gotta go to break, Okay, goa
Speaker 1: to break? No, no, no. Ask you a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was seeze it. I was wondering. Okay, when you
Speaker 1: come back, when you come back, I want you to ask.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a question about which one of the
Speaker 1: four guys would you have liked to have kept for
Speaker 1: this current group? How about that? That's a great hanger.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, we have to get to
Speaker 1: the offense because we've exhausted this defense in a good way,
Speaker 1: so we will be right back after this. It can
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be hot. Yes, we were just talking about
Speaker 1: the weather out here. Of course we have the indoor
Speaker 1: at Ford Center, but I think they're gonna stay outside
Speaker 1: at least for tomorrow. Yeah, it's gonna give warm out there,
Speaker 1: all right. So Brian asked a question before we get
Speaker 1: to the offense, because I want to talk about Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams we have to Tavon Austin, so before we
Speaker 1: get there, I just was curious if there's anybody of
Speaker 1: the corners that you would have liked to have had
Speaker 1: back for this current group, or none at all comfortable
Speaker 1: with what the group the way it is, the way
Speaker 1: you liked the group. I mean with somebody. Could Mo
Speaker 1: Claiborne been a factor of the way they're now playing
Speaker 1: Brandon Carr or like you said, none of these guys.
Speaker 1: I'm okay. They did the right thing. I'm okay with
Speaker 1: this Corner group for me as far as DBS go.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it last week. Barry Church when he was here,
Speaker 1: was a stabilizing presence at safety. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: they've we mentioned the number of guys they got at Corner,
Speaker 1: young guys. I think a Woozier's poised to take a
Speaker 1: step this year if he can stay healthy. I like
Speaker 1: what they've done at call. So they made the right move. Then,
Speaker 1: to everybody out there, it was kind of like it
Speaker 1: was the gnashing of teeth that Okay, well, oh guy,
Speaker 1: they're getting rid of all these guys. You can't play
Speaker 1: with young corners. So they actually that was a good
Speaker 1: move by the front office. Financial standpoint, also sure, because
Speaker 1: I'm with you on maybe Clayborne. But he got a
Speaker 1: little bit of money from the Jets. Jets right right, Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: he got some good money. And you're sitting there going, well,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him. They have that speed there,
Speaker 1: but he couldn't stay healthy. As for the rest of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's too bad that these guys didn't stay healthy last
Speaker 1: year because I think you would have seen the takeover
Speaker 1: at a greater pace than what we did. Well, this
Speaker 1: is a good segue because obviously those guys they've left,
Speaker 1: and it happens every year and a large part of
Speaker 1: it is due to contracts. And now we're here. Was
Speaker 1: Zach Martin everon thought that contract would get figured out
Speaker 1: a little bit sooner, but things happen. Time hands passed.
Speaker 1: We are close to June and Zach Martin still doesn't
Speaker 1: have his long term deal. We all expect it to happen,
Speaker 1: but until then, he's here working out he's just not
Speaker 1: participating in OTAs right and in the meantime, and it's
Speaker 1: got to get it done. You just gotta get it done.
Speaker 1: I think that to me, this is this is one
Speaker 1: of those deals where and you guys, correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, but this is just my thought about it.
Speaker 1: It's a position that we've seen very few. We've seen
Speaker 1: the position go up through the years. I mean the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, people have stepped up to pay
Speaker 1: their guards as much as tackle has always been a
Speaker 1: position you paid. Wide receiver has been a position you paid,
Speaker 1: Cornerback has been a position you paid. Quarterbacks a position
Speaker 1: you're played. I think this is new to teams. I
Speaker 1: think these is new to teams that having to play,
Speaker 1: having to pay that much haven't much for me for
Speaker 1: a guard. And it's not that they don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, but I think they're in a situation where
Speaker 1: they're thinking, Okay, what is the right amount, what's not
Speaker 1: what's too high, what's too low. I think you're always
Speaker 1: comfortable with the other positions I mentioned, the tackles, the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks. I think that you. I think your team's
Speaker 1: front offices are comfortable with those positions. Guards a little
Speaker 1: bit different. Cat and I and you don't want to.
Speaker 1: You don't want to. You don't want to short change
Speaker 1: an all Pro player. And of course he's gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and say, you know what, I'm one of the
Speaker 1: better players you're on your team. I deserve just as
Speaker 1: much money as this guy or this guy or this guy.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why the Cowboys are having a
Speaker 1: little bit of problem right now. It's not something that
Speaker 1: they don't want to do or they're trying to hold
Speaker 1: it up, but they're trying to figure out what exactly
Speaker 1: the market is for an All Pro guard to make
Speaker 1: sure that he's compensated like the All Pro that he is.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the guy is Norvelle and Jacksonville, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder how much maybe he reset things because see
Speaker 1: that's one of those things that you do. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly I mean. Now, all of a sudden, he's I
Speaker 1: think he's the highest paid guard now and Zack Martin's
Speaker 1: a four time Pro Bowl, All Pro gay. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think I think probably what they're trying to do,
Speaker 1: because this is not about this year or next year.
Speaker 1: It's down the road absolute and I bet what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do is guarantee him more money at and
Speaker 1: the total package it's less. It's like, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: this right now, give us a break on what it's
Speaker 1: going to cost you In three years when I'm paying
Speaker 1: a quarterback and I got to make a decision on Zeke.
Speaker 1: At some point, I've got to pay a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You know this, this this little thing ain't gonna last
Speaker 1: for long. Well, not only receiver by committee, but you
Speaker 1: know Alan Hearn's two year deal and he's not making
Speaker 1: that much money. You drafted Michael Gallup. Yeah, and to
Speaker 1: turn out to be something really good for you. Well,
Speaker 1: and in three or four years, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay him, right if he does. So you gotta watch
Speaker 1: how you budget your salary cap money. It's not their money,
Speaker 1: it's the salary cap money. I'm sure they'd love to pay,
Speaker 1: you know, Zach Martin all, you know, whatever, But you
Speaker 1: gotta watch how you budget down down the road. You
Speaker 1: gotta next year, you got to figure out what what
Speaker 1: if Lawrence has another Pro Bowl season, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with him? Yeah, you know it's a long
Speaker 1: term deal for him too, now, So they got to
Speaker 1: be careful. And and I think you're right about guard.
Speaker 1: You sitting there going, God, it's a guard, but the
Speaker 1: best one in the league. Right. But See, that's why
Speaker 1: I don't think people have a real handle on that.
Speaker 1: The example about the kid that got signed at Jacksonville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that, that's not having a handle on And
Speaker 1: they had so much money, Yeah right, they had They
Speaker 1: did because they were like seventy million under the cap,
Speaker 1: so they could spend and it's like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: well's never gonna run dry. We may be a little
Speaker 1: spoiled too, because we've seen Tyren Smith, Travis Frederick, even
Speaker 1: Lale Collins last year to get done early, like with
Speaker 1: two years left on there deal. I think we all
Speaker 1: kind of thought, oh, Zach will get done last summer.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get done, I think, But it's it's taken
Speaker 1: longer than we thought. It depends what they're asking for. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of fans have a lot of questions, and
Speaker 1: you guys are the experts here, so everyone has heard
Speaker 1: about what's happened to Terrence Williams. He was not out
Speaker 1: there last week, not only because of what's going on,
Speaker 1: mainly because of his foot and the rehab there, and
Speaker 1: we all expected he wouldn't be out there. Well he
Speaker 1: didn't practice, right, didn't practice. Yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1: He was out there. That's what I'm when I'm saying
Speaker 1: out there, I'm mainly meaning that they're on the field participating.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, does he have one foot at the door?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen with this? I hate to ask
Speaker 1: that and put anyone's job on the line, but we're just, Oh,
Speaker 1: he put it on the line. That's not true, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. And so there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation of his future on this team and kind
Speaker 1: of getting your guys's thoughts and understanding of it. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen. Legally, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: know that the NFL can can take action against a
Speaker 1: player even if it's not even if he's not charged.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw that with Zeke or if it's
Speaker 1: not a serious matter. I think we're talking about misdemeanors here,
Speaker 1: I believe with what we've seen in the reports, with
Speaker 1: police reports, with Terrence in the public intoxication. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think this receiver group's got to shake
Speaker 1: itself out a little bit before you start talking about
Speaker 1: moving on from him. I still think you've got to
Speaker 1: see some guys emerge. And I'm talking about Alan Hearnson.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Michael Gallup, and you know what you
Speaker 1: have in Terrence, and he's a guy that's played with DAK.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been a high production guy, but he has
Speaker 1: helped you in certain games. He's helped you in the
Speaker 1: running game. I wouldn't jump there yet, but obviously they've
Speaker 1: brought in a lot of competition and it certainly would
Speaker 1: help him to be on the field competing. Well. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: he's hurt, so he's in double jeopardy. Not only the
Speaker 1: legal thing hanging over, but he's recovering from surgery to
Speaker 1: repair of fractured fifth METATARSL. So he wouldn't be out there,
Speaker 1: and the idea was not to have him out there
Speaker 1: till training camp, but he didn't do him himself any favors. Now, again,
Speaker 1: it may come down to what the league does, because
Speaker 1: if the league wants to punish him, then the guarantee
Speaker 1: goes base salary this year, three and a half million disappears, right,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, well, it's not going to
Speaker 1: cost us that much to absorb the rest of his
Speaker 1: pro rated signing bonus. So at this point, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's waving their liberal flag. I'll get rid of the
Speaker 1: guy and we don't need him. Well, it would cost
Speaker 1: you three and a half million because he's already on
Speaker 1: the books for a guaranteed salary. So you have to
Speaker 1: be careful, and you would like to write it out
Speaker 1: and have one person here on the field that actually
Speaker 1: la a lot. Last year, even though he didn't have
Speaker 1: any touchdowns, he still had fifty three catches. You know,
Speaker 1: you just eliminated one hundred and thirty two catches from
Speaker 1: your team. Would Witton and dead now I add fifty
Speaker 1: three to that, it would just be Beasley. He'd be
Speaker 1: the only guy leafed over. I think now Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: and look at it as it is right now, Beasley
Speaker 1: is the only guy on this team that's caught more
Speaker 1: than sixty four catches in a season. Hearns one year
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville sixty four. I said more, yeah, yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: four times in the league. And I think at the
Speaker 1: last three years we've had situations where players have conduct
Speaker 1: detrimental policy whatever you want to say, only four times
Speaker 1: have the player been released. I means twenty other players
Speaker 1: with the similar type of things that have happened to
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams still stayed on the team. So I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get him. I just don't write. You
Speaker 1: look at somebody like Demontre Moore and what followed him
Speaker 1: from Seattle's. Yeah, but players in this situation, twenty of
Speaker 1: the twenty four were brought back only four times as
Speaker 1: a team cut a player like this. I you've all
Speaker 1: made great points. It's catches, it's it's experience, it's it's
Speaker 1: familiarity with the player. Yeah that you know what what
Speaker 1: happened last year at this time, if you remember as well,
Speaker 1: with Damian Wilson and his thing with a gun in
Speaker 1: a parking lot of or dispute and all that, Damian
Speaker 1: Wilson was still here, you know. I mean there's things
Speaker 1: that they will tolerate. And I think this is a
Speaker 1: situation where he made a mistake and you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's going to uh, he's going to pay for it,
Speaker 1: not only having to get his car fixed, but he's
Speaker 1: also going to pay for it, you know a little
Speaker 1: bit personally, you know, with himself. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: to live with that now. But I think the team
Speaker 1: keeps him around. I don't. I don't see them getting
Speaker 1: rid of him. I see them getting him healthy, getting
Speaker 1: him back on the field and then let him compete,
Speaker 1: as Rob says, and let them shake this receiver thing out.
Speaker 1: That might be the position right there. When we talk
Speaker 1: about the strength of a team, that one might be
Speaker 1: the weakness of this team. It's unproven. When it's all
Speaker 1: said and done. We just need don't need to be
Speaker 1: so righteous. Yeah, right off the bat, before we even know.
Speaker 1: I mean we've heard three different stories on well, the
Speaker 1: worst thing that happened is he shouldn't have him and
Speaker 1: his agent should have made a statement right once. Then
Speaker 1: once all that police the video came out. That was
Speaker 1: very embarrassing. Yeah, that's something they can't take back. Oh
Speaker 1: I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I know.
Speaker 1: Well oh wait wait flipping over the front of your
Speaker 1: bike here, what are you doing there? You didn't talk
Speaker 1: about that, did you? You know? So that's yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is something you know that needs to be worked.
Speaker 1: I mean he was very he was very polite to
Speaker 1: the police officer. The police officer very polite to him.
Speaker 1: I mean you could see all those things handle the
Speaker 1: right way. But they didn't need to make a statement.
Speaker 1: They just did not need to make that. And he
Speaker 1: is let's gotta point this out. He's a guy they've
Speaker 1: never had a problem with off the field. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you said, it's a mistake. Fortunate except for
Speaker 1: running forty yard dashes in the parking lot at three
Speaker 1: in the morning. What do you remember that one? Nope,
Speaker 1: there was another another one. Let me tell you what.
Speaker 1: There was a bar in Dallas that somebody bet me
Speaker 1: I couldn't hit a five iron over a parking lot,
Speaker 1: over a building, and I did it, And that sometimes
Speaker 1: you do forty yards. Sometimes you do forty yard dashes
Speaker 1: in the uh. You get challenged, you're challenged, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you do it. So like in training camp at the
Speaker 1: old Cedar Door in Austin when we were hitting seven
Speaker 1: ironers into from the gravel parking lot, hitting seven irons
Speaker 1: into the power plant. Yeah, well I was bet. I
Speaker 1: was bet I couldn't hit it over a building. We
Speaker 1: got it over the fence. I don't know how far
Speaker 1: it went really back back in all right, talking about
Speaker 1: speed though, tavon Austin. Of course, it run's curious of
Speaker 1: what he's going to end up really being. You have
Speaker 1: this hybrid receiver running back out there, and he calls
Speaker 1: himself he said, I'm just a playmaker, it's all he is. True,
Speaker 1: He's just here to make so hopefully he'll he'll make
Speaker 1: them for you. Mick. He can run quickly, He's very quick,
Speaker 1: and I think it gives him a dangerous person for
Speaker 1: punt returns. And I raised the prospect of returning kickoffs
Speaker 1: with him and he goes, well, you know, I really
Speaker 1: haven't done that much, right, And I said yeah, But
Speaker 1: just like that, he goes, I'm sure my name's gonna
Speaker 1: come up. And all I can think of is with
Speaker 1: the new kickoff return rules, somebody actually kicks it to him,
Speaker 1: and you've got all that open field. I probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have said it to Jason the other day, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of like the did I go the Kansas City
Speaker 1: game at the end of the half when you brought
Speaker 1: up the Hill Mary when Mickey no, it was a
Speaker 1: dump off that ended up at Hill Mary, right, But
Speaker 1: but no, just think of a fast guy like that
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field when you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of people around him. And now it's almost
Speaker 1: a video game and there's no running start anymore. There's
Speaker 1: no running start. You can't drop your guys back to block.
Speaker 1: You got to stay in that area, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of space if you've got a speedy, shifty guy.
Speaker 1: I think there's seven, sorry, seven new kickoff rules that
Speaker 1: will impact if they're trying to prevent collisions. I think
Speaker 1: they've done a bad job with this rule. I think
Speaker 1: special teams coaches are going to figure this out about skykicking,
Speaker 1: pooge kicking. They don't have extra blockers in the back. Now,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is put fast guys up
Speaker 1: front on your cover team. You just play balance. But
Speaker 1: if you win that initial block where you have the
Speaker 1: stationary blockers in that area, now you're running to the football.
Speaker 1: They don't have enough guys to block you back there wedge,
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you're gonna see people dumping
Speaker 1: the football. There's gonna be more collisions in this game.
Speaker 1: People trying to stop them from from bringing the ball
Speaker 1: out past. Yeah, you're going to do one of two things.
Speaker 1: Because the two guys you only can have three back there,
Speaker 1: right right, So two of them aren't gonna be linebackers
Speaker 1: or defensive linemen that can block. It's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be somebody that catches the ball. And if you only
Speaker 1: can have one guy back then, how liked the field? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna start hitting the ball to the ten
Speaker 1: yard line on the side. There's gonna be more squib kicks,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more pooch kicks, there's gonna be more
Speaker 1: trying to be disruptive with the football. They're gonna they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the total opposite of safety here. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of collisions, directional kicking. Try and
Speaker 1: get guys pinned into a corner, get them on the
Speaker 1: tackle them on the ten, twelve yard line and let
Speaker 1: them start from there. And they think that's the bad rule.
Speaker 1: You think that instead of just trying to go for
Speaker 1: more tapas. Absolutely, because you can pin them deep like that.
Speaker 1: Just now, there's gonna be more collisions or you just
Speaker 1: don't get to the ball. Yeah. Today, And if it
Speaker 1: is about safety, right because NFL owners, the report is
Speaker 1: owners were told concussions are five times is likely to
Speaker 1: occur on kickoff returns. So, but it's a collision game.
Speaker 1: But if you're a kickoff, if you're on the kickoff team,
Speaker 1: you don't get a run up anymore. Right, you gotta
Speaker 1: be one yard But all you have to do is
Speaker 1: well and they and they're not allowed to drop. So
Speaker 1: right the way it is, so you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of collisions up front. Up front. Is it going
Speaker 1: to create about forty yards of space? Absolutely? And who's
Speaker 1: keeping somebody from dumping the ball and letting it just
Speaker 1: bounce around down there? And again putting putting defensive backs
Speaker 1: on your kickoff team, Guys that can run, Guys that
Speaker 1: can avoid, Guys that can make make the plaque that
Speaker 1: can cover the kick. I think Jason said it best
Speaker 1: in the press conference when he said, when you make
Speaker 1: rules like this, there's always unintended consequences. Oh yeah, get ready,
Speaker 1: you didn't did you think it all the way through?
Speaker 1: Because the coaches they will figure it out how to
Speaker 1: take advantage. They are figuring out right now. Yes, absolutely, Well,
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Speaker 1: night like twenty nine seven for twenty nine or something ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We already got into it a little bit,
Speaker 1: the receivers, but your pole falls along those lines and
Speaker 1: Mickey hinted the fact that he he twisted up the
Speaker 1: uh the percentages, so right, I have. I'm gonna make
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Speaker 1: make you chose? Please do? Okay, simple poll, Brian, which
Speaker 1: new wide receiver? Of these new wide receivers will have
Speaker 1: the biggest impact in twenty eighteen. I've got Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: as a receiver here. Okay, he's gonna at least do
Speaker 1: in my opinion's probably gonna most of one. Alan Hearns,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup or Deante Thompson. Okay, Mickey, before I make
Speaker 1: your guess, did you at least choose somebody that was
Speaker 1: on this Yes? I did? Okay, there was no rite
Speaker 1: in available, Okay, so I couldn't. I couldn't vote for Marchie.
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Speaker 1: I want to say that Mickey wrote Deontay Thompson that
Speaker 1: you voted for him. I did not. Did you vote
Speaker 1: for Gallup? I did not? Okay, Well, then I'm out. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not skewing it. I played the percentages of who's
Speaker 1: going to get the best chance and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Alan Hurns. Oh, he wrote the obvious one. See, I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go with the Deontay Thompson, you know,
Speaker 1: run up flash on him. Bryce Butler two point kind
Speaker 1: of a guy. Yes, Yeah, who'd you vote for? I
Speaker 1: voted for Herns? He did. Yeah, And if he doesn't
Speaker 1: make the biggest impact, they're in trouble. Well, I just
Speaker 1: need him to be as good as does Bryant was
Speaker 1: last year. That's all I need. Was it? Sixty five catches?
Speaker 1: Sixty nine sixty nine catches? How many yards we have?
Speaker 1: What was how many touchdowns we have? Six? Okay, give
Speaker 1: me that In total agreement, I went with Alan Hurns
Speaker 1: as well. Fans agree, Yeah, why well, I would just
Speaker 1: have to say, you know, he kind of has nothing
Speaker 1: to lose here. I mean, granted he has you have
Speaker 1: to be this number one wide receiver, but no one's
Speaker 1: thinking of him as a Dez Bryant type guy yet, right,
Speaker 1: you know? So we remember Sweeden nice though the Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant numbers, the numbers would be great, and yes, he
Speaker 1: wore eighty eight at Jacksonville, so there's yeah, hopefully some
Speaker 1: similarities there. But I feel like he's in the perfect
Speaker 1: position to have a breakout year. It's great opportunity for sure,
Speaker 1: and they're not. Yeah, they're not asking him to be
Speaker 1: dominant necessarily, that'd be great, but just be be reliable
Speaker 1: for deck. How close were Thompson and Gallop? Well, hearns
Speaker 1: one forty five percent. Thompson only got three percent of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: the folks don't know him yet. Michael Gallop was second
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent, Austin fifteen percent. I wonder how much
Speaker 1: of that as well. Is he going to be a
Speaker 1: quasi running back, Yes, he will do some of those things.
Speaker 1: They're gonna move him. He's gonna be a chess piece, right, yes,
Speaker 1: so very similar to I believe you'll see it, very
Speaker 1: similar to the way they used him in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Was is a running back. They used him as a
Speaker 1: slot player to throw the ball to a lot of
Speaker 1: his stuff is not down the field. A lot of
Speaker 1: his stuff is around the line of scrimmage. It's the
Speaker 1: jet sweeps. It's the sweeps, it's the straight handoffs, it's
Speaker 1: you know, one back runs, it's screens. That's that's the
Speaker 1: kind of player that he is. And I see them
Speaker 1: doing the same thing with him with him here, so
Speaker 1: I don't don't make any judgments on what they do
Speaker 1: in the first week of OTA. He's like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: only playing wide receive, right. Look, the guys settle in
Speaker 1: getting used to the offense, and then you'll start seeing
Speaker 1: them moving them around and they may not show us
Speaker 1: everything exactly right. Yeah. I think though, the one if
Speaker 1: they could get gallop though, if they can get gallop
Speaker 1: to the learning curve with gallop to be very small,
Speaker 1: you know, to get him out there. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got the quickness, athletic ability to avoid the jams. He
Speaker 1: can make plays down the field. I was talking to
Speaker 1: some guys. I'm like, you know, you turn around every
Speaker 1: once so while you just see the ball going down
Speaker 1: the field of thirteen and like Mike White throwing it.
Speaker 1: The guy's got the ability to adjust, to extend, you know,
Speaker 1: those types of things that you want. He could be
Speaker 1: the one surprise that if things don't really work out
Speaker 1: for Alan Hearns, Okay, now it's about okay, let's get
Speaker 1: him going. But if the learning curve is very, very small,
Speaker 1: he might give Alan Hearnes a run. So thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent of the people there might be absolutely right a situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was my second choice. Yeah, and I just just thinking,
Speaker 1: how is he going to get the opportunity. The rookies
Speaker 1: usually take a little time to get going, but he
Speaker 1: could have a huge impact well. And so this this
Speaker 1: occurred to me from a percentage standpoint, What do we
Speaker 1: see more of four wide or two tight ends? I
Speaker 1: think you'll see more. I think that the three wides
Speaker 1: is there or you said four, said four. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: tend to run the ball. They could run the ball
Speaker 1: out of eleven personnel pretty well, spread people out, and
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna have to do it. Well, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do it. Just maybe if the receivers don't
Speaker 1: have success, they're still probably gonna have to get an
Speaker 1: eleven personnel just to make people spread out. You know,
Speaker 1: like if you could say, okay, well we'll play everybody
Speaker 1: a little wider and give themselves some space and keep
Speaker 1: people from walking guys down into the box. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for them. They've run the football
Speaker 1: against eight and nine man boxes before, But don't you
Speaker 1: think that's gonna if you're a defensive coordinator right now,
Speaker 1: I am not scared of you worried about. I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of any one of your receivers. I'm worried about Zeke.
Speaker 1: I'm scared about Cole Beasley, and I am scared of Zeke. Okay, Zeke.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about him because something came out
Speaker 1: about him last week that I was pleasantly surprised to
Speaker 1: hear about. He has Nobel Prize, not close, not close,
Speaker 1: but he's getting there. He is on the Leadership council. Man,
Speaker 1: when the Nobel Prize, he's on the Leadership council. That's
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction to that Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1: But he is on the Leadership Council, and he says,
Speaker 1: you know, big step of that is that he wants
Speaker 1: to be more vocal this year. He wants to step
Speaker 1: up as one of the younger veteran ends on this team.
Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that because I think that
Speaker 1: a large part of his identity on this team has
Speaker 1: been you know, it's Zeke. He's been on the party
Speaker 1: planning committee, Party Planning Committee, moving more to the leadership counsel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. He goes from social director to actual director.
Speaker 1: Le mate how well he does on that console after
Speaker 1: July sixteenth. Why do you say that? Why because then
Speaker 1: he's on his own for a month June sixteenth, A
Speaker 1: July sixteen two, Well that's the weekend. We got the
Speaker 1: fourth of July coming up for Zeke two trips less.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to see ye. Yeah, And look, he's one
Speaker 1: of the best players on this team. It's important for
Speaker 1: your best players to be leaders because you gotta have
Speaker 1: We talked about this. You got to have the production
Speaker 1: to be able to be vocal. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: to back it up on the field. So he definitely
Speaker 1: does that. Well, if I'm Ezekiel Elliott, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: how it affected the entire sea. What a pain it
Speaker 1: was the entire season. What a taxing experience. It was
Speaker 1: probably not worth it at all. And then the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is just look at what he lost.
Speaker 1: He lost money, He lost respect from coaches and teammates,
Speaker 1: He lost a lot. I don't know if he lost respect,
Speaker 1: but he lost guaranteed money. Yeah, I'll go with the money.
Speaker 1: And I think I think everybody they respect I mean
Speaker 1: reliability more. You know, it was hard every week in
Speaker 1: and out. Yeah, I think they you know, this is
Speaker 1: going to sound really strange and probably bad. I think
Speaker 1: they knew who Ezekiel Eliott was, but when they drafted him,
Speaker 1: drafted it absolutely when they drafted him, I think that
Speaker 1: there's no secret to what was going on in Ohio
Speaker 1: State with that group. Now again, it's it's nice to
Speaker 1: see him say, Okay, I have to be more accountable
Speaker 1: for what's going on. Yeah, that was a very difficult year,
Speaker 1: not only for Ezekiel financially, but it was a difficult
Speaker 1: year for his teammates. And you know, if you're any
Speaker 1: kind of a teammate, you would feel bad about to
Speaker 1: sit su. You know that he wasn't there for them
Speaker 1: for six games. You know, I mean that him playing
Speaker 1: in games. I mean he basically came out and said,
Speaker 1: asking Hi, about what was he fifty third on the
Speaker 1: top one hundred player list. He goes him is six
Speaker 1: games almost have a thousand yards? You know? I mean
Speaker 1: that's that? Yeah. Well, no, I'm just but but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying though, he I think I like if there
Speaker 1: was some remorse about how it went down last year
Speaker 1: and the and the reward for him now from the
Speaker 1: coaches is Okay, listen, we do trust you. We think
Speaker 1: you can be a leader, we think you can may
Speaker 1: be a difference maker. I think this is his way
Speaker 1: of bringing him back in. He was a little bit
Speaker 1: on the outside last year. And you know, but everybody
Speaker 1: loves Zeke. I don't know anybody that doesn't. Yeah, teammates
Speaker 1: love him. And I will say one one way he
Speaker 1: does lead is on the field. Physical. He's gonna bring
Speaker 1: it every single time he's out there. I think guys
Speaker 1: follow that physical tone and that's important, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's another way to lead. You don't always have to
Speaker 1: be the vocal guy. But obviously taking care of off
Speaker 1: the field business. Every leader, every if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a leader on a team, everybody has to do that,
Speaker 1: no question. Well, he's so lucky the draft class he
Speaker 1: came in, they're good class. I mean you look at
Speaker 1: guys like Jalen Smith. You have to follow his lead
Speaker 1: of just everything he's done just to get back onto
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, this is Dak's team.
Speaker 1: This is Zeke's team. Now, I mean there is no
Speaker 1: Jason Witten anymore. So if the best young players on
Speaker 1: this team have to have a larger role in the
Speaker 1: locker room, and that includes Zeke for sure includes Zeke,
Speaker 1: that includes Zack Martins, that includes the Byron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden, this team is very, very young.
Speaker 1: It's it's really incredible. I've been meaning I need to
Speaker 1: go back and see, like where it ranks. It's just
Speaker 1: an average age because it's it's a lot of second
Speaker 1: and third years guysperience. Well, now you're starting quarterback has
Speaker 1: started a lot of games in the league. Now for
Speaker 1: being twenty four years old, that's good. But you shook
Speaker 1: your head. Yeah, well yeah, they they're they're young. But
Speaker 1: these guys have played. Yeah, yeah, you know, Dak he's
Speaker 1: played thirty two games. Zeke's played. Dak's played, Zeke's played
Speaker 1: what sixteen and ten? Yeah, Collins has played. Collins has played.
Speaker 1: You look at now once you get healthy played, Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods played, Brown's played. They've all they've all played. So
Speaker 1: some spots you're gonna have some guys that haven't. Of course,
Speaker 1: the you know, if the starting mic linebacker happens to
Speaker 1: be Vandersch, right, but but if whoever they play at
Speaker 1: SAM linebacker, if it whether it's Jalen Smith or Wilson
Speaker 1: Wilson's played a lot for a young guy, and the
Speaker 1: offensive line it's played. Yeah, if Connor Williams wins the job, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: But at least the backup tackle now has played in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So your depths there is much better
Speaker 1: off than what you, I guess projected you had, which
Speaker 1: didn't work out so well. This the one position I
Speaker 1: keep going back to is this receiving group. That's the
Speaker 1: one I think we're gonna have to figure out. Well.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to say, you haven't had
Speaker 1: to worry about in a while. Yeah, who are the
Speaker 1: best five? I mean, I'm not saying right now we
Speaker 1: have to just throw out five names. But I think
Speaker 1: when we get to Oxnard and it show you know
Speaker 1: it show fifteen, it show eighteen, it shows you know
Speaker 1: we're down to it. We're going, Okay, what do we
Speaker 1: learn about this receiving crew? Jeff trouble ranking them last week?
Speaker 1: I put Beasley at number one. I did too well.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at where we were this dot
Speaker 1: com by the way, yeah it's there. I remember there
Speaker 1: being a discussion about what they we're gonna do with receiver.
Speaker 1: They had so many I mean Andy Jones was the
Speaker 1: name that you're like, does he stay on? At this
Speaker 1: point last year, Lucky Whitehead was still on the team.
Speaker 1: You know, young guys were not gonna make this rock
Speaker 1: the whole thing with with Noah Brown. Noah Brown was
Speaker 1: a Bryce Butler. He was gonna be Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was it was it kind of a group of
Speaker 1: guys that you're like, Okay, we've got the four, who's
Speaker 1: the fifth one or who's the sixth one? And now
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, okay, we've got two or three.
Speaker 1: Who are the other three? Yeah? You know, and you
Speaker 1: don't have to count Austin in that group necessarily, right,
Speaker 1: you know? So yeah, but who else can Lance Lenoor
Speaker 1: break through? See? That's that's the guy I always talk about,
Speaker 1: that's my my Lance leanr. Because of Will mcclay's relationship
Speaker 1: with him is like, you know, I'd like to see
Speaker 1: him do something. There might be it. There might be
Speaker 1: a surprise guy that we don't think about, like that,
Speaker 1: the Lance Lenore guy that we that that comes in
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, what Cedric Wilson. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not giving Cedria. I mean I'm kind of just kind
Speaker 1: of pooh pooh and Cedric Wilson, right, I know, and
Speaker 1: he's got he and he's got he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of ability and and so, okay, do you carry five
Speaker 1: wide receivers? Wait a minut we're carrying three quarterbacks? Now, well,
Speaker 1: how many tight ends we're gonna carry weight? You gotta
Speaker 1: carry Rico. No, we're not gonna carry Rico. We're carrying
Speaker 1: three tight ends. You get you kind of get into
Speaker 1: who a numbers a numbers game with some of these positions.
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily sinking it might be that whoever
Speaker 1: doesn't make this team probably made it because they just
Speaker 1: weren't good enough. It wasn't because which is a great
Speaker 1: problem to have. Well, it's a great you want him
Speaker 1: to be good, but you want to be able to
Speaker 1: say you want to be able to say. Man, we
Speaker 1: had a really tough decision. We got seven we got
Speaker 1: seven receivers for five positions, instead of okay, we've got
Speaker 1: seven receivers and we were only going to take these four.
Speaker 1: And by the way, who was on the waiver wire today? Ye?
Speaker 1: Who was? Who can we trade for? Who is there
Speaker 1: somebody as Yeah? Who do we need to work out?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? And be and be aware of Earl
Speaker 1: if he can play like he did in this season
Speaker 1: open or against Missouri. Yeah, Malik Earl, Earl, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I sat there at the TV just cussing.
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