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Speaker 1: Don't every day wake up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm finish for y'all.

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Speaker 1: Done morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's DJ n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We

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Speaker 3: are the breakfast Club. Lorla Roses here as well. We

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Speaker 3: got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, senior

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Speaker 3: writer and editor at Forbes, Jabari.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, brother and man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. This is a nice place

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Speaker 1: to a new studio. I haven't been in the whole studio,

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Speaker 1: and in spirit, I was because I watched on YouTube

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Speaker 1: coming up as a kid. So but this is pretty

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Speaker 1: highe man, Well, you.

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Speaker 3: Are senior writer and editor at Forbes. So let's let's

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Speaker 3: start from the story. Well how'd you get there?

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Speaker 1: You know, man, you know we got to start all

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Speaker 1: the way from the story, right. I'm originally from North Philly,

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Speaker 1: and so it stopped appreciate that, thank you, and it

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Speaker 1: started there, you know, as a kid understanding I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I didn't have that skill set, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: what's next? And I decided that journalism was it for me?

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Speaker 1: And so back then, you know, you pick up the

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Speaker 1: newspaper and underneath the news the byelines, it got the

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Speaker 1: numbers and I'm like, well, who's this dude, stephen A?

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Speaker 1: And I call up the number and bam, stephen they

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Speaker 1: picks up. And that changed the trajectory because learning under

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of understand what you can be.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at him on billboards and just

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Speaker 1: following him and that kind of motivated me. And then

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, I get an opportunity to go to

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Speaker 1: in there, and then in twenty nineteen I get a

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Speaker 1: call from CNBC and they say, hey, you want to

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Speaker 1: cover cover business and I'm like, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: cover no business. I don't know what those those the

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Speaker 1: it was stephen A who called me and said, man,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need

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Speaker 1: to really stop and think about it. I was happy

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Speaker 1: the Spurs. That was great for me, but I was

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Speaker 1: missing the big picture and he allowed me to see that,

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Speaker 1: to his credit, and then that turned into an opportunity

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two and Forbes say, hey, you want

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Speaker 1: to come over here and do that? And I say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to just do sports business. I

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Speaker 1: want to do something else else, you know. I want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, take this business thing and really expand it.

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Speaker 1: And what better way to do that through the essence

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Speaker 1: and the lends of your community.

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Speaker 2: You know what's important about that story?

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Speaker 5: I mean number when you started in sports, but the

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Speaker 5: fact that you called stephen A steven A picked up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, they don't do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: I told clothes Miles don't get fed. Clarence savan always

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Speaker 1: to say that, right, And so you know what's so

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Speaker 1: funny being in San Antonio. I met this system one

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Speaker 1: don't know, you remind me of this dude Clarence Savan,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who the hell is that? And then the

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Speaker 1: And again, I just enjoy telling business stories about people

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Speaker 5: What was your spiel to Stephen because I want I

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Speaker 5: want other people that are watching this right now who

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Speaker 5: might be seeking mentorship from certain individuals. What did you

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Speaker 5: say to him that you think made him be like,

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Speaker 1: Up to hey man, can you teach me? I want

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Speaker 1: But at that time, Charlotte Maine, like it was a

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Speaker 1: gotta do that over and over again. Like I would

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Speaker 1: be in my aunt's basement on Christmas Eve calling around

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Speaker 1: people who mentored me that year, just saying, hey, I

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Speaker 1: want that man, just what's your merry Christmas? To hope

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Speaker 1: you have a great fan. That stuff builds relationships and

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Speaker 1: so when you do want to pick up the phone

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Speaker 1: a job, you got those answers because it was Steven

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Speaker 1: a who introduced him to a guy named Mike Bruton.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bruton know was a guy named Mike Larry. Mike

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Speaker 1: Larry was at the Inquiry now in San Antonio. One

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Speaker 5: Charlie Barkley would be very, very impressed that you dated

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, every time Barkie said that, I was like,

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Speaker 1: keep saying it because I get all this gold right

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Speaker 1: I'm like, YO, say that. I wouldn't. Yo, He's right

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Speaker 1: And so there are beautiful people in San Antonio. Obviously, yes,

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Speaker 6: When you were calling around for mentorship. Were you ever

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Speaker 6: told no, and if so, were you discouraged by that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I was. I was told no sometimes a couple

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Speaker 1: what the hell with you? But yeah, of course, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd be thinking that everybody has time. But

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Speaker 1: y'all get hit up all the time. Y'all can't always

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Speaker 1: like it was one of those things where, you know,

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Speaker 1: with them. And obviously Steve and the was a part

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask before you go, I was gonna

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Speaker 3: ask my mentoring do you mentor people?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know the mentoring game.

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Speaker 3: Has changed a lot, right because people are more scared

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Speaker 3: now because back then you could call anybody, you tell

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Speaker 4: But now it seems like things are more structured.

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Speaker 3: You have to go through this protocol, you have to

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Speaker 3: have a resume, you have to graduate from me. But

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Speaker 3: before even working at radio, you wanted to be an intern.

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Speaker 1: that's why I take you seriously. Because that's what I was.

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Speaker 1: I was emailing people left and right. Yo, Man, hey

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Speaker 1: if you missed that email, hey, just wanted to follow up.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got the time, and I would do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, repetitiously. And so what happened is that people

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Speaker 1: start to say, man, he's serious, he wants some of

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Speaker 1: you should do that all the time. That's where motivating

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about shoving, but I didn't get

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Speaker 1: I was in Philly doing radio updates at one hundred

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Speaker 1: That was a great time though. You remember, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Philly like, Yo, did you hear that BBC interview? It

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Speaker 1: you know, history, and you were part of it.

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Speaker 2: And jay Z got me fired.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever confirm it that was true? That was

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Speaker 1: the first question was asked when came. I remember that.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. He ain't saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember what he said.

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Speaker 2: No, he said no.

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Speaker 1: I thought he just lot laughed at off he said,

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Speaker 5: Remember another time we had a conversation about He was like,

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Speaker 5: did I really get your fight?

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Speaker 1: What it worked out for you?

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Speaker 2: Though? I think it does.

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Speaker 1: I think it worked out.

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Speaker 7: Question I don't remember. I think I was going to

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Speaker 7: ask you about when you said, oh, when Stephen A.

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Speaker 7: Smith first called you and said that you were thinking

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Speaker 7: about things wrong or you were doing it wrong, what

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Speaker 7: was the first conversation after that, Like, what was the

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Speaker 7: breakdown and build back up?

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Speaker 8: Like for you with him?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, that was a rough conversation to have.

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Speaker 1: I was pulling into my aunt's house in Dallas visiting

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Speaker 1: and I got to go and dive into someone else

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Speaker 1: like I have to start from the very beginning with you,

436
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Speaker 1: all the way back to South Carolina now was a

437
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Speaker 1: little bit easier because I recognize your work from Philly,

438
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Speaker 1: But I mean you talking about listening to old Windy

439
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Speaker 1: Win interviews trying to find something. You know what told

440
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Speaker 1: me that story of Young Guru, right, he had a

441
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Speaker 1: piece and he was on the podcast back in the day,

442
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Speaker 1: and this really made me take my craft seriously, where

443
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Speaker 1: he was kind of talking about how big would go

444
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Speaker 1: into a studio and before he wrote anything, he would

445
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Speaker 1: just listen to the track over and over and over

446
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Speaker 1: and over again, trying to find that that thing that

447
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Speaker 1: made it great. And so what I do when I

448
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Speaker 1: copy that and I just say, you know, when I

449
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Speaker 1: find a great interview, when I find two or three

450
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Speaker 1: great interviews, that's what I do. I sit on my couch,

451
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Speaker 1: I play Madden on Saturdays and Sundays, and I listened

452
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Speaker 1: to the interview over and over and over again because

453
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling like it's something there, what's missing that I

454
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Speaker 1: can take and you know, magnified and with him, it

455
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Speaker 1: was that comic thing. You know, you're hearing him say

456
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Speaker 1: something about comics and how his daughter was interested. Like, man,

457
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Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest comic officionado, but I had to

458
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Speaker 1: go dive into that world, right, And so again the

459
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Speaker 1: credibility thing you find out if people are is not

460
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Speaker 1: doing your research, and you know that it's tedious.

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Speaker 7: How do you handle when you have to write the

462
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Speaker 7: other stories where it's like you having to talk about

463
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Speaker 7: the negatives of a business or things that you find

464
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Speaker 7: that aren't all the way right and it's in the community, right,

465
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Speaker 7: and you're putting it out there.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, that's one of the parts of the job.

467
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Speaker 1: I don't always enjoy it, right, I mean, it was

468
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Speaker 1: a classic example. This is you know when you know

469
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Speaker 1: it's or tdjakes his deal with Wells Fargo. Right now,

470
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Speaker 1: if you look at the history of Wells Fargo, Wes

471
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Speaker 1: Fargo doesn't have the best history with black folks, right,

472
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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to mortgages, and he's tied to that,

473
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Speaker 1: and so you have to bring that up. You have

474
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Speaker 1: to report on that. Hey, you're doing business with Wells Fargo,

475
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Speaker 1: but they have a history of not being so so

476
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Speaker 1: you're built sensending all these people to Wells farg to

477
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Speaker 1: get mortgages. But Wells Fargo hasn't had the best record

478
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Speaker 1: at that point of helping Black America, right, This is

479
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Speaker 1: just accurate facts, and so you know, when you have

480
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Speaker 1: to write that, it is uncomfortable at times, but again,

481
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Speaker 1: it's facts. So I only go by the facts, and

482
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Speaker 1: you know, I let them speak for itself. But you

483
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Speaker 1: do give people the opportunity to respond, and that's what

484
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Speaker 1: I think is missing it today. Nobody calls anybody anymore,

485
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Speaker 1: nobody's asking for response, nobody's asking for comment. They just

486
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Speaker 1: run into it because they want the viral clip, they

487
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Speaker 1: want the viral social media moment. They want to say

488
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Speaker 1: all reported this, and it's like, it's wrong. One of

489
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Speaker 1: your nemesis does that. Alt I don't want to say

490
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Speaker 1: the person's name, but all the time, right, I mean, tell.

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Speaker 6: Me, don't think, don't even think, you don't about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of Yeah, I don't have a lot

493
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Speaker 2: of nemesis, but you have one.

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Speaker 1: You have one, and I guess she really doesn't like

495
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Speaker 1: you a lot. So that's what I said, right, But

496
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Speaker 1: it's that type of stuff. It's that type of stuff.

497
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you if But that's that type of stuff

498
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Speaker 1: that you have to not pay too much attention to

499
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Speaker 1: because they will leads you down the road where you're

500
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Speaker 1: writing something wrong and it's just so you got to

501
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Speaker 1: really the.

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Speaker 3: Crazy thing about that is is I respect you for

503
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Speaker 3: saying that, because a lot of journalists and Charlemon and

504
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Speaker 3: myself have dealt with it, even even just where they

505
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Speaker 3: follow something that somebody said online and people believe it's facts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and journalists go with it.

507
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Speaker 3: And the problem with journalists going with it is because

508
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Speaker 3: people come to you in the facts, right, they go

509
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Speaker 3: to the podcast is, the stream is the influencers whatever

510
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Speaker 3: they want to call them, the people online that say

511
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Speaker 3: they are and they spew all types of untruths. But

512
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Speaker 3: when the actual journalist picks it up and reports it

513
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Speaker 3: now becomes true.

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Speaker 4: Amplify and it amplifies it.

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Speaker 3: And that's one thing I'm glad because I think a

516
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Speaker 3: lot of journalists now don't do their research and it

517
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Speaker 3: hurts people in a major way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always want to stay away from that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a big thing. That's like, you know, one of

520
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Speaker 1: those rules commandments if you will of journalism, right, you

521
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: obviously not supposed to reveal your sources. That's that's huge.

522
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Speaker 1: And you know, accuracy is huge. If you're an accurate

523
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Speaker 1: that really bothers your name. Now I've been wrong before.

524
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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I've been wrong before. But then

525
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Speaker 1: that's when you hey, I was mistaken, you know. But

526
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Speaker 1: I don't go to a point where I'm looking at

527
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Speaker 1: sources that are just not credible. When I talk to

528
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Speaker 1: people to industry, people like no, don't listen to that person,

529
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Speaker 1: Like that's that's where you really have to dig into

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Speaker 1: the trenches. And again, because in a media world where

531
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Speaker 1: everybody wants to be seen, nobody takes those extra steps.

532
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Speaker 1: It's almost like everybody wants to be as great as

533
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Speaker 1: cool be. But how many people were willing to put

534
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Speaker 1: the work in like he did? Right? How many people

535
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Speaker 1: are willing to put the work in like Steph did,

536
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Speaker 1: taking hundreds of shots behind the arc like that.

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Speaker 4: How many people want to be first too, That's and

538
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Speaker 4: that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: They want to be first, and I'd rather be last, right, correct, informative, insightful.

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Speaker 1: Everybody can say, oh, to go a fire, But how

541
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Speaker 1: many people can say how many people died in that fire,

542
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Speaker 1: what the cause of the fire is, and then follow

543
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Speaker 1: up on it, what's going to happen to that property

544
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Speaker 1: after the fire, what's going to happen to that community?

545
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Speaker 1: That's journalism so you're not supposed to No, are you

546
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Speaker 1: supposed to cite your sources when you know you're trying

547
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Speaker 1: to verify it. But if it was behind the scenes, Yeah,

548
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Speaker 1: if somebody's telling you something, you don't use their name.

549
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Speaker 1: They say, hey, man, keep my name out of this.

550
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Speaker 1: But so and so that's when you protect them. You're

551
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Speaker 1: not supposed to reveal them because if you do, then

552
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Speaker 1: nobody's ever going to trust you again.

553
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Speaker 3: Now, when you talk to a lot of these, uh,

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Speaker 3: I guess wealthy people, whether it millionaires, billion there's people

555
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Speaker 3: are on the Forbes.

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Speaker 4: Are they happy?

557
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Speaker 3: The reason I ask is sometimes a lot of people say,

558
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Speaker 3: making all that money, they forget the the finer things

559
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Speaker 3: in life, which is usually family. And you see that

560
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Speaker 3: a lot with people. So do people seem happy to you?

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Speaker 2: Man? Are you happy?

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Speaker 4: Well, he's happy, appreciate.

563
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Speaker 2: Off, enjoying us?

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Speaker 4: People seem happy or is it only focused on dude?

565
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Speaker 1: And they seem happy? Man, But it's like you can't

566
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Speaker 1: really tell because they could be putting up in front

567
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Speaker 1: because it's Forbes, so they want to always, you know,

568
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Speaker 1: make it seem happy, like they're doing great. But I've

569
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Speaker 1: heard horror stories. John O'Brien always says that like, there

570
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Speaker 1: are a lot of people behind it sees a lot

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Speaker 1: of money that are not happy and so rich in life. Absolutely,

572
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Speaker 1: and so sometimes I'll call a few of them and

573
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Speaker 1: they I'll call thems on New Year's Day, right because

574
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Speaker 1: New Year's Day is such a calm day. But it's

575
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Speaker 1: a great day to catch up with people because everybody's home.

576
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Speaker 1: Everybody's home when I'll call around, hey man, thanks for calling.

577
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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever hurt from anybody. It's like, you know, so

578
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Speaker 1: you got to treat them like human beings and check

579
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Speaker 1: on from time to time just to show that you know,

580
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Speaker 1: this is a relationship. But some of them may probably

581
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Speaker 1: be unhappy. And I would think because they got so

582
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Speaker 1: much money. When you trapped, you can't go nowhere like

583
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Speaker 1: I chooked the sub here today the men that I

584
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Speaker 1: can stop doing that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, nig I hate taking the sub now.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can, you can't.

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Speaker 4: I can't. But I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to be.

589
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Speaker 4: Just too many people, but I like to. I want

590
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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 1: I want to be because I like the people watch.

592
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Speaker 1: I don't want to see you to the street.

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Speaker 4: I don't need to see it.

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Speaker 5: From the subways in New York Is when after nine

595
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Speaker 5: eleven everybody kept saying the next terrorist attacks, like he

596
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Speaker 5: never got on the subways.

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Speaker 1: It's too easy. Yeah, it's too easy, I said. I

598
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Speaker 1: think about it all the time. If you see the

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Speaker 1: movie To Leave the World Behind on Netflix, actually think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be cyber attacked. I think about that, like

601
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Speaker 1: those planes was coming down. But I I like taking

602
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Speaker 1: this up and again it lets you people watch and

603
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Speaker 1: it keeps me kind of like, you know, level headed.

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Speaker 7: Where do you when you're sourcing, like what you're going

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Speaker 7: to talk about? Where do you get most of your

606
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Speaker 7: leads from? Like what inspires your story?

607
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Speaker 1: Just looking around?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I look at every morning. I usually go on Google's

610
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Speaker 1: trend and Google trend is great because you get to

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Speaker 1: see what America is looking at, what they're searching for.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I look at that and sometimes

613
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Speaker 1: it's like, all right, everybody's paying attention to that. Let

614
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Speaker 1: me see what's on the left. And you know, you

615
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Speaker 1: just kind of look around and just find different things.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of time when I find

617
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Speaker 1: a project, it takes me a while, you know, to

618
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Speaker 1: do it. So you know we have this list. The

619
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Speaker 1: next piece I'm writing on is the usher. But you know,

620
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Speaker 1: you just you look around and see what's going on,

621
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Speaker 1: and then people sending you pitches and then you're like, hey,

622
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Speaker 1: wait a minute. For example, they sent me a pitch

623
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Speaker 1: celebrating Black Effect five year university, and I'm thinking like, oh,

624
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Speaker 1: that's a bigger story here. Let's dive into this, and

625
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Speaker 1: people know who showed me to God is I think

626
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Speaker 1: this is this is a great business piece here, and

627
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Speaker 1: I hope I was right.

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Speaker 4: Did they ever send you the picture of Charlotatae sitting

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Speaker 4: on Wendy Williams lab.

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Speaker 1: Nah, I didn't see that, you did?

631
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Speaker 6: Please?

632
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Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Come on, I didn't because I

633
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Speaker 1: didn't see that. I didn't see that for pecause I

634
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Speaker 1: just remember the Jennifer Lopez thing.

635
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

636
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Speaker 1: I kept looking at that one, like, man, you know,

637
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Speaker 1: he never said what it was.

638
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Speaker 2: I want to asked him the name of journalism.

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Speaker 7: I just.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's a perfect lead, right if it smells like

642
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Speaker 1: roses or something like that.

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Speaker 8: What surprised you most when you did the article when

644
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Speaker 8: you met him about.

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Speaker 1: You know, he he's very protective of his family in

646
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Speaker 1: his space. Absolutely, I've never really saw that of him before,

647
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Speaker 1: a whole picture and you kind of like you're smiling

648
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Speaker 1: a little bit san Top of the World baby.

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Speaker 5: He heard.

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Speaker 2: Joke Top of the World on.

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Speaker 1: He's very protective of his family, Charlotte Mane. Because usually

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Speaker 1: I always ask people if I always want to be

653
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Speaker 1: invited to your house. I feel like, if you're a Forbes,

654
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: we should be invited to your house. No, that's what

655
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Speaker 1: it was. And so I was trying to figure out, said, man,

656
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: what does this dude live in a batcave for something

657
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: like that? And so, you know, but that was what

658
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Speaker 1: it was. But I respect that though, because me having

659
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: a daughter when she was first born, I would always

660
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: tell my family, if you take a picture, please leave

661
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Speaker 1: it off the internet. I don't want my daughter on it.

662
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: I want her to enjoy her childhood. She's going to

663
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Speaker 1: have that opportunity. So when he said it, and I

664
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Speaker 1: know I'm a girl dad too and he has girls,

665
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Speaker 1: That's when I'm like, yeah, okay, And then it was great.

666
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Speaker 1: I have a phrase, it's not happening to you, it's

667
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: happening for you, right, And so I'm like all right,

668
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: what is the opportunity here? And the comic book thing

669
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Speaker 1: was gold for me, and so I'm glad. I'm amost

670
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Speaker 1: glad that he rejected me coming to his house. Thank you.

671
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Speaker 6: You said you was about to do something I should

672
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Speaker 6: what I should?

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Speaker 1: Well, he started up. They have the Boys and Girls Club,

674
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: and Detroy has a foundation out there and they're doing

675
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Speaker 1: a lot of work and us has been doing that,

676
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Speaker 1: you know, for twenty plus years now making the time

677
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Speaker 1: and I feel like it's time to tell a great

678
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Speaker 1: business story around what he's doing and what he's trying

679
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: to do with his foundation. And you know, again the

680
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: fact that it's in Detroit, not in Atlanta, you know,

681
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: not in where he grew up in in Dallas, and

682
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, no down south, he grew up in Tennessee,

683
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Speaker 1: not them.

684
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Speaker 4: But because he was part of the Cavaliers, No, he sold.

685
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're breaking news. Yeah he has sold that. Yeah,

686
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Speaker 1: he sold it. He told me at the top of

687
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Speaker 1: the year. Wows much. I can't tell you that now

688
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm that's gonna be in the story. But

689
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: I told you all you sold it though.

690
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what what's so interesting about that is when

691
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 5: you do that uh interview and that article comes out.

692
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: It is literally our job to amplify because we.

693
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 5: Will amplify the bad news. What was it happened at

694
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 5: the Boys and Girls Club with us? Couldn't wait to

695
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: come in here and talk about it.

696
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: You have to amplify stories like that, and Charlatan, that's

697
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: exactly why. First of all, I appreciate the opportunity to

698
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: come here. But that's the reason, you know, I'm so

699
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: proud of the work that we're doing because you know,

700
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: we can look up negativity around black people. All all

701
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do is open Instagram, look on Twitter, or

702
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: exit whatever the hell it is. But you don't see

703
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: enough of our prominent individuals outside of the space of

704
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: entertainment and sports doing great work right, doing great business right.

705
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: And some of them want to be found. But then

706
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Speaker 1: I guess some of them are people ain't just paying

707
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Speaker 1: attention to them, but I am.

708
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the Four of Black fifty. Why is

709
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 5: a list like the Four of Black fifty so important

710
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 5: in like this social.

711
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Client because it offers you an opportunity to see what's

712
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: going on in the world of alternate investments, private equity,

713
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: private credit, venture capital, you're seeing people with assets into

714
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: management that's controlling money.

715
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Speaker 2: You know.

716
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: One comment that was made for me was is if

717
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: you see a black individual managing a billion dollars for someone, right, white, black,

718
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: hispanic doesn't matter. That's big in this country. A billion dollars, right,

719
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to just amplify those people who

720
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: are doing it right. They have escentemuntic they're raising money.

721
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: You know how hard it is to go out and

722
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: ask people for millions of dollars raise money here, right,

723
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: And the fact that these individuals did it and look

724
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: at the assets and the management they becumulators. Like, we

725
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: need to really be talking about these individuals and not

726
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: only that, amplifying them, right and putting them on the

727
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: map so we can create our next wave, as John

728
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: O'Brien always like to say, civil rights over civil rights, right,

729
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: our next wave of leaders in the business community. And

730
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: hopefully this list helps accomplish that. Hopefully this list helps

731
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Speaker 1: improve the ecosystem because a lot of times we don't

732
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: know each other either. We got people doing stuff here

733
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: doing over there, and I feel like that's one of

734
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the bad things about our community, right, We're so you know,

735
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: spread out and not knowing each other and hopefully this

736
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: list improves the ecosystem and it just gives that next

737
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: generation of an individual that's in Black America, you know,

738
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: say hey, you know what, I might want to go

739
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: this route.

740
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Speaker 3: And that's the thing amplifying everything. Like you grew up

741
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: in Philly, growing up in Queens, Like what do you see?

742
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: You see the local drug dealers of pools? You see

743
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: basketball players, Yeah, you see rappers.

744
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: And that's what your mind is set upon because that's

745
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: all you see all the time.

746
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: But seeing these other individuals and how they make money

747
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: and what they do, it's always a story that you

748
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: try to throw in the kids mind because you can

749
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Speaker 3: say you're better than just this, You're better than just that.

750
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Speaker 4: You can do this and that.

751
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: And the reason this listen is important for me too

752
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: is that you know, I don't know how many of

753
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: y'all going to Hot Topic or in the mall or

754
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: you know it's still around, right.

755
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: I used to work in Demo remember Demo of course?

756
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Express Staples. It was a brother who owned all that.

757
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

758
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Right, he took Walgreens public, well was public, he took

759
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: it private last year, right, same Stefan Coluzia Sycamore Partners, Right,

760
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and people understand, like you go into Walgreens in a pharmacy,

761
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to understand that there is an

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Speaker 1: African American. It's a black individual that's part of that

763
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: ownership group. Right. And so to me that's important. That's

764
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: important because now now my daughter loves hot topic, I

765
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: have no problem taking her there because I know the money,

766
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: right is at least going to someone that looks like me,

767
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: who is in that ownership group. Martin Nesbet right of

768
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: this Year group in Chicago, that's friends with Obama. Right,

769
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: starts a private equity firm. You heard the parking spot

770
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that a little off airport lot and he sold it, right,

771
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: And now he owns companies through a private equity group.

772
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: Very good friends with Obama. Right, met Obama over basketball

773
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: and a night of scrabble. They had no idea what

774
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Speaker 1: each other was. And now here he is up in

775
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Chicago doing work. Everybody knows about Robert Smith and private equity, right,

776
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: And so it's those individuals.

777
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Speaker 2: You know.

778
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: Bob Johnson, obviously we know him creating BT. Some people

779
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: knew he had a private equity firm with car dealerships

780
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: stores all of that and so you know we have

781
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: assist on there who owns storage units and Tammy Jones right,

782
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: storage units, nursing homes. These are individuals that you know,

783
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: I think not only you need to know who they are,

784
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: but you need to reach out to them, follow their

785
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: moves right because it think about that Nilsen Courdon and

786
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Nilsen Black America spending power this year two point one

787
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: trillion dollars. That's a lot of money, right, you have

788
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Speaker 1: a whole class of black people who can manage it.

789
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Speaker 5: I'm glad you're having this conversation to borrow because I

790
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 5: hate I feel like there's a whole ecosystem of niggas,

791
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god, who are making a living telling black

792
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: people they don't got shit.

793
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, oh y'all don't own nothing.

794
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: You don't own no bit Like who are y'all following?

795
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: Like I see a whole.

796
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 5: Ecosystem of black people that are doing great things, Like

797
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: why are you not highlighting them?

798
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: Because it's not hoighlighted enough. And again, we don't have

799
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Speaker 1: enough people in news organizations, especially business organizations that look

800
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: like me. You just hilarious envy like you know, or

801
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: we don't have that right, And so that's why I'm

802
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: very proud of the brand I represent because we do

803
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's important to have it. At the writing aspect,

804
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: anybody could do a podcast and that's great, and do

805
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: the video, but to write it is permanent almost, it

806
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: feels realer, right, Nobody could take that from you. It's

807
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: an ink, right, And so like it's important to keep

808
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: those stories alive going around because you know, like we've

809
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: got a whole group of people coming up and again

810
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: they might not want to go into entertainment of sports.

811
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Let's create these the jobs and these other careers will

812
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: expose them to it more keyword exposure and you know,

813
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: see what it see what.

814
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: You got to get you on these pods because niggas don't.

815
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Speaker 7: Read the problem no real ask you though, right, So

816
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: you just talked about where people are getting the information

817
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 7: from where they're reading their podcast. So right now we're

818
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 7: seeing a lot of even written publications getting rid of

819
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 7: they're the black teams, right, How do these new age

820
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 7: journalists get to a point where they can amplify those

821
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 7: stories when podcasting.

822
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Speaker 8: There's a lot of them out there and they're not

823
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 8: able to get the jobs.

824
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Speaker 7: At the same time, you have the tiktoks, But now

825
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 7: social media stuff is becoming where you can't verify everything,

826
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 7: Like what is that like straight through lane of new media?

827
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 7: We thought we figured it out, but now it's getting blurry.

828
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Speaker 2: What is it?

829
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's an answer to it

830
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: at the present time. Right now, it's just it's one

831
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: of those ones things where the chaos. We're in the

832
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: middle of it, right, and so you have to, you know,

833
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: figure it out why you're in the middle of it.

834
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Speaker 1: I think it's important that local newspapers still are relevant.

835
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I think that they're still a lot of them around

836
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Black newspapers there are shrinking, but I think that there

837
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: there's still have to be relevant. But now it becomes

838
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like back in the day, I remember that

839
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: pif you Yeah, you had to actually search for it, right,

840
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, you have to search. That's how I found

841
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: law flog. That's how I found you know, currency and

842
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: where is Cleveland? Like I had to search for it.

843
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: It's no different than media today, right, you got to

844
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: search for it and then you know. This is why

845
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: brands are important. The Forbeses of the world are important

846
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: because those are established brands and we use ink, you

847
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: have no idea. When we put out an article, I

848
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: got lawyers calling me, I got a fact check. They

849
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: where Scharlamie get that from? Where? Prove it right? And

850
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: so that's what I appreciate because I know when I

851
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: when that goes out to the world, is accurate, It

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00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: is real. And so it's no different than the that

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00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: pif days. You got to search for what's real out there.

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00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of great up and

855
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: coming journalists that may not be tied to legacy media companies,

856
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: but they're out there and they're doing some great work,

857
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: and it's not fair to to, you know, push them

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: aside because they don't work for the forbes of the world.

859
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: If they're doing some great reporting, like the journalists out

860
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: in Minnesota who exposed that you know fraud, that's great journalisms, right,

861
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: he followed up he filed the paper trail. That's great journalism.

862
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: And so I think as we ended in the chaos,

863
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: we cannot leave out those voices. We have to still,

864
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, promote those individuals who are out doing great

865
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Speaker 1: journalism although they may not be working for a legacy

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Speaker 1: media company.

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Speaker 6: How did you ever, did you ever experience any pushback

868
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: or creating a list as such, like you know black

869
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 6: leaders and entrepreneurs and you.

870
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Get them on the X apps of the world. Fores

871
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: creates this listen black and this and that, and it's like,

872
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: we're not talking to you. So it's like, you know,

873
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: if you ever want someone to train and you're talking

874
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: to your friend and somebody says, well I would do

875
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: with this is looking at them like was I talking

876
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: to you? Why are you in this conversation? And so

877
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: you get that type of pushback, but you ignore it

878
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: because I'm not talking to you. We're talking. We're talking

879
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: to some other people. And if it's anything other ethnic

880
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: groups should look at this listen study from it too.

881
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: They might find something that they know. It's nobody saying,

882
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: and it's exclusive of you looking at it and learning

883
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: from it and studying these people. It's just this a

884
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: list for us.

885
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: It matters, man.

886
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: I remember being I was a kid, and I remember

887
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: when Diddy, Will Smith and I think Master P were

888
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 5: all on the flour the list that one time.

889
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: And that was like, oh, I didn't think you know,

890
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: rapping or being doing being a hip hop could even

891
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: get you to that level.

892
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: So it does you know it's a business.

893
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: It does inspire you, and say it does spark something

894
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: in you, you know, whether you want to be an

895
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 5: entertainer or not. Just seeing a black person in that position,

896
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: you're like.

897
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: Whoa you?

898
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: You kind of echoed your own voice because earlier in

899
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: our conversation I asked you, I said, hey, why do

900
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: you even want this? And it was because you wanted

901
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: more people to see what they can be. And I'm

902
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: telling you the metrics that you know. I look at

903
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: that story and I don't really read comments, but you

904
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: see some of them. They all come from South Carolina.

905
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: There are people, there's a group of people in South

906
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: Carolina that really enjoy that. And I can only imagine

907
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: what that does, what that does to the young kid

908
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: out there who may not have known who Charlomagne is,

909
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: or may not even knew what he came from South Carolina,

910
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: but now all of a sudden he does what that

911
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: does to his trajectory, what that does to his mindset?

912
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: Right knowing that man, this dude started where he was

913
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: started from and he's on Forbes.

914
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: Hit from a dirt road with no shoes on.

915
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 5: It was actually two black people who had been on

916
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: the Forbes List before and the cover.

917
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Who told me that?

918
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who told me?

919
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Why you told me that? Exactly? And it gets back

920
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: down to the list exposure letting people see it, you know,

921
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: And I'm sure people didn't have understood that he had

922
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: business like that, right, but that exposure part. I love

923
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 1: the fact that he owns a restaurant franchise. Junior Bridge

924
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: became a billionaire like that, and I would love to

925
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: see more people do that. How many times you go

926
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: to the communities we grew up and you still see

927
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that Sam McDonald's there, right, Think about if you owned it, right,

928
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: And so it's like, I love that he's doing that

929
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: because restaurant franchise is not going anywhere, right, it's coinstance standing.

930
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, it's those lobster to right,

931
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: but there are ones that remain, you know what I mean.

932
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: And so I feel like, again, it's important that young

933
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: people see what he's doing.

934
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: Oh hold on that brother, what's the brother name for Red?

935
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name the CEO. Yeah, he was

936
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: up here that interview we did with him on Breakfast Club, Like,

937
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: I just.

938
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 5: I saw how that inspired people because people don't see

939
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: that nobody thought that the black man like stuff like

940
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: that here about people's mindsets. Man puts people on a

941
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: different trajectory. I think was black right. I mean, so

942
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: it's like those people Colvin Butler. See you if a

943
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 5: major electric company is black, right, And so you know,

944
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: there's a lot of again, there's a lot of CEOs,

945
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 5: a lot of millionaires and billionaires that look like us

946
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 5: that people just aren't paying attention to.

947
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: But you know, I am. I'm paying attention to it now.

948
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the stories are being told because I'm

949
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: not going to be at Force forever. I have other

950
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: dreams and ambitions, but I want to leave behind something

951
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: that you can go back to it and you know,

952
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: see the bread crumbs I left behind, so it can inspire,

953
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, the next generation of business leaders.

954
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 5: What the industry is quietly producing, the next wave of

955
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 5: a billionaire And you gotta say, gotta be a bionaire.

956
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: But just one hundred million.

957
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: The list that I just put out for private equity,

958
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: venture capital, private credit, those people behind the scenes doing

959
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: all investment, I think those are the that's the sector

960
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: that you're going to see a lot of millionaires and

961
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: billionaires come out and you're raising money investing it, and

962
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: you know you're going out and multiplying and go. There's

963
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: a sister, Cherise Clark harbor View Equity Partners. People don't

964
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: understand how many music catalogs she owns, right, Nelly, what's Khalifa? Right?

965
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: List goes on and on and on, right, And so

966
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: she took that raise money and now running a firm

967
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: with two over two billion dollars in assets on the management,

968
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: all off the back of music catalogs Bruno Mars as well.

969
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: So while you're listening to all this music that plays

970
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: up here, there's a system Newark getting rich off of it. Wow,

971
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: least it's a system there. You go, Yeah, how do

972
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: we able to follow your work?

973
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: To borrow? Where can they follow you?

974
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Where can they get your listen? Man fores dot Com,

975
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: Forest b Okay again, Fort bok fifties out and you

976
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: know JB underscore young on Instagram and that's that on

977
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: LinkedIn too. Y'all need to get back on. Y'all need

978
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: to get on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a dope? Is a dope?

979
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: Leavel?

980
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? LinkedIn is great. Yeah, I gotta follow you on LinkedIn. Yeah,

981
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: LinkedIn is one of.

982
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 7: The conversations they have on LinkedIn are it's just it's

983
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 7: it makes more sense about a lot of things, so

984
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 7: they would be topical, but it's like the deeper dies.

985
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 8: But it's just from like a different arguing.

986
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 7: It's just, yeah, I don't want to sound boogie when

987
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 7: I say it, but it's just like an elevated conversation

988
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 7: around all the things that you get everywhere else.

989
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: The conversations it is.

990
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 8: It's kind of like that, but it's starting to get

991
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 8: a little bit crazy. But threats can be like that

992
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 8: as well.

993
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm done with the so I've I've maxed out

994
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: my social media's. I'm like, I don't want to go

995
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: to another platform. I said, the next one I would

996
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: go to if I had to do it will be

997
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Isaac Hazen fanbase. I gotta, I gotta do that.

998
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jabari, did you know that the newspaper is written

999
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: on a third grade level?

1000
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.

1001
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

1002
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 6: Charlamagne told me that Charlamage be playing with me so

1003
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 6: much because I'm very gullible when it comes to them.

1004
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 6: I be believing things and he'll trick me. Yeah that's

1005
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 6: I was like third grade level.

1006
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to. You have to really, you know,

1007
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: make sure that the average person can read it. And unfortunately,

1008
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: we are in a you know, in our society right now,

1009
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: our reading level is not that hot, and so you

1010
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: have to really, you know, make sure you scale it down,

1011
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, and so and it only makes sense for people. Uh.

1012
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: And again I come from North Philly. I'm trying to

1013
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: also talk to those people. And I know that there's

1014
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: certain things that mean I get so, you know, I

1015
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, minimize it a little bit. But yeah,

1016
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: you do have to do it. And certain outlets.

1017
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: M I just had to check in with you.

1018
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: I don't be believing this man.

1019
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: It's Jabari Young.

1020
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club.

1021
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, my brother appreciate it. Don't every day waiting

1022
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: click up the Breakfast Club.

1023
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: You're finished for yo dun