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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk, joined by two

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Speaker 1: friends of the program for a little combine review. We

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Speaker 1: have our guy, Ryan Fowler, the host of the Commanding

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Speaker 1: the Little Podcast, also a great NFL draft analyst, and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Risden the Detroit Lions podcast and works for Real GM.

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Speaker 1: He's been joining us. Both these guys have been covering

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Speaker 1: the draft for years, been staples of our draft coverage.

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Speaker 1: And we're here to review the NFL combine guys. And

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Speaker 1: before we start hating the positions one by one, and

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Speaker 1: Jeff will start with you. People kept throwing at me

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Oh, it's a record setting combine all these guys,

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Speaker 1: we do all these times. It's the fastest average time

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Speaker 1: for all these positions. And I'm just sitting there. I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 1: do you know why all the slow guys chose not

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Speaker 1: to run? They all Jerry Seinfeld it and they chose

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Speaker 1: not to run. So when you have all the slow

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Speaker 1: guys not running, guess what the average times are gonna be?

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Speaker 2: Faster. I learned that in statistics class in college and

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Speaker 2: I didn't learn much in that class, but hear that

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Speaker 2: one out pretty quickly. Yeah, and that's that's a growing trend.

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Speaker 2: I think there was less than fifty percent of the

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Speaker 2: guys did all testing, and that's and look, if you're

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Speaker 2: not a tester, if you know you're not going to test, well,

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Speaker 2: just don't test. And it's weird that that sort of

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Speaker 2: got looked over. I'm glad you brought that up, because

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Speaker 2: that was that was the point that I wanted to make,

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Speaker 2: Like the guys who weren't going to run fast didn't

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Speaker 2: run instead of choosing not to run fast. And for

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Speaker 2: the entire public.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think overall guys, it's just really what where

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Speaker 3: we've really turned to the last five or ten years.

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Speaker 3: So many agents, so many guys that these camps work with.

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Speaker 3: It's not just one or two guys, the guys you're

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Speaker 3: hearing from now, it's so many people. Hey, like you said, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: you're slow, don't run, wait for your protein, maybe work

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Speaker 3: in something to do a separate workout or things like that.

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Speaker 3: So I agree with you, John. Everyone was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is so fast. So the fastest guys are great,

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Speaker 3: that's great. Yeah, we had a lot of good testers

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Speaker 3: and each day, and it was great to see some

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Speaker 3: guys showcase their talents as well. But I think overall,

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Speaker 3: just again, more and more guys are not testing. It's

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Speaker 3: taking a little bit away from the combine, more so

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Speaker 3: even now in those pro days. But overall, I think

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Speaker 3: to see moving forward, I hope we get back to

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Speaker 3: the old days where you get invited to the combine,

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Speaker 3: you show up, you compete, and you go to work

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Ryan, I don't think it's good

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Speaker 1: advice from the agent because quite frankly, the indie track

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Speaker 1: is fast, like all these safeties running four threes. Do

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Speaker 1: you really think these guys are all four to three players.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's probably the case. And then you

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine. So so those two things together and

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Speaker 1: I hope people start figuring this out a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they laid down new turf right just a

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Speaker 3: year to put in just for these fast forties.

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Speaker 2: So I mean you.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned the three cone drill as well. I mean something

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Speaker 3: with big boys as well. I could really care less,

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Speaker 3: but a big boy could run forty yards or even

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Speaker 3: the first day, right the interior defensive lineman. If you're

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Speaker 3: not a good sign, right for your defensive front. So

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Speaker 3: more so those ten yards splits and things like that.

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Speaker 3: But overall, again, you go to the combine, we'll like

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Speaker 3: to see your workout, But more and more guys are

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Speaker 3: not doing that. That's the agent's really in their year.

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Speaker 3: I want to see these guys compete. You never see

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Speaker 3: just if you're there, show up and compete. That's really

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Speaker 3: where I'm at with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, throwing the fact that you know, these pro

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Speaker 1: day times aren't always better now because again the indie

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Speaker 1: and it gives you two bites of the apple, right,

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Speaker 1: Like if you have a bad day in indie, guess

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Speaker 2: Hundred percent, you lose that backup plan. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you're putting all of your eggs into the pro day basket, Well,

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Speaker 2: what if you don't have a great pro day? Like

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Speaker 2: where's especially if you weren't at the Shrine Bowl or

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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, like everything's everything's now writing on your

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Speaker 2: pro day? And again, what if you what do you

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Speaker 2: have a bad day? What if what if you're still hurt?

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Speaker 2: You know, you've lost to data points there, and uh,

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Speaker 2: when you're trying to when you're trying to come up

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Speaker 2: points as you can when you when you only have one,

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Speaker 2: if it's not great, you're hurting yourself. I agree with Ryan,

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Speaker 2: I think too many agents are giving too many bad

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Speaker 1: And then, by the way, what's up with the guys

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Speaker 1: that do the testing with them don't do the field

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Speaker 1: drills like again, if you don't want to test, but

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Speaker 1: then like why why didn't Kenyon Sadik do the tight

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Speaker 1: back drills like that's the stuff to me that Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I really don't understand that.

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Speaker 2: Okay to either, and I don't understand like the explanations

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Speaker 2: for it. Well, he wants to wait for his foot,

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Speaker 2: like so you can catch him, so you can catch

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Speaker 2: not know, or like go show something, show that you

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Speaker 2: can adapt, show that you can play football. That's that's

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Speaker 2: the whole point of the combine.

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Speaker 1: Right now, in fairness, right, I don't think the whole

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Speaker 1: point of the off season. Yeah it is. I don't

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Speaker 1: But I don't think this will impact the guys as

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Speaker 1: long as they do put some numbers down at the

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Speaker 1: Pro day. Now, if they don't and they leave it

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Speaker 1: which does give them a baseline of which to work

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think overall, guys, we could talk about three

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Speaker 3: potential players on offense headliners in this class. Are we

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Speaker 3: just talking about Kenyan Sadiq? Why didn't he do positional

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Speaker 3: didn't need to see him do positional drills, but he did,

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Speaker 3: which was great, or all the Texas Tech guys as well.

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Speaker 3: But kayle Lemon would have liked to see mkayle Lemon run.

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Speaker 3: But he did positional drills, and I thought he was

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Speaker 3: okay in that aspect. So it's really either side of

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Speaker 3: you just can do positional drills. Again, it's really back

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Speaker 3: to our point earlier, where if you get an invite,

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Speaker 3: I would like to see everybody go to the combine

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Speaker 3: and compete. That's an opportunity where there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: guys that were quote unquote snubs that would have loved

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, injuries are one thing. Guys are hurt

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Speaker 1: and they don't think they'll put their best foot forward.

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Speaker 1: these were injury related. It was more kind of choice related.

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Speaker 1: As these guys move forward, all right, let's work our

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Speaker 1: way back this year's guys. We're gonna start with offense,

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Speaker 1: and the offensive lineman won't last there. I think the

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Speaker 1: cornerstone of everything we look at here and you mentioned this,

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Speaker 1: I think Ryan, who cares how fast the forty yard

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Speaker 1: but the ten yard split matters a little bit, And

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Speaker 1: I think the shuttles and the three cones matter a

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Speaker 1: guy that stood out had to be Spencer Fano just

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Speaker 1: the one guy that really looked different to me. Who

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Speaker 3: he was outstanding, and you're right, he did move different

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Speaker 3: was really impressive. And then I just him getting after

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Speaker 3: I think one player I was very impressed with. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to dive back into the tape on this week

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Speaker 3: was Evan Bernston from Northwestern. I mean, that's a program, guys,

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Speaker 3: up front along to front five, that's just a foundation

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Speaker 3: to succeed. Watching him and Slide and Mirror heard some

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Speaker 3: Evan Bergson from Northwestern as well.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Jeff? Who stood out?

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Speaker 2: I'll go with with Fano's Utah linemate, Caleb Belomu. I

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Speaker 2: thought he did a very good job of showing that

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Speaker 2: he has the agility, he has the footwork. The wave

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Speaker 2: guy that you know, he probably hasn't played his best

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Speaker 2: to himself as an offensive tackle. Weather's on the right

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to go through two different groups

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Speaker 2: For me, let's go tackles, just because you brought them

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Speaker 3: John, I love this center class. You know, it's not

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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you, all right, let's hit to the

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Speaker 1: What struck you good and bad? Jeff when he came

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Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 3: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but Tennison does makes sense of your

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Speaker 4: money with citizens official Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: Did you keep getting better? Let's go to running backs

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Speaker 1: here guys, and I fell in love with Mike Washington

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl just watching him run at his size,

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Speaker 1: I thought he had really good feel for the position.

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Speaker 1: Uh this burst and then he was like two hundred

443
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Speaker 1: and thirty pounds checked in at six one two twenty three.

444
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Speaker 1: I and as much as I was a fan of his,

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Speaker 1: I did not see a four three three forty yard

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Speaker 1: dash coming. I mean at that size, Jeff, that's really impressive.

447
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Speaker 1: Tenn A broad thirty nine vert shows you that it

448
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Speaker 1: was not like some weird aut liar time the rest

449
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Speaker 1: of the athletic testing match that he's a weird guy.

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Speaker 1: He's been to three different schools, He's bounced around. He

451
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Speaker 1: never really had a monster year. He was a five

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Speaker 1: year guys who's a little bit older. That's the guy

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Speaker 1: that I was happy to see him do really well.

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Speaker 1: Who are the guys that jumped out to you, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, just in general the over you with the running

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Speaker 2: backs there was and watching them and when they fraternized

457
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Speaker 2: with wide receivers like this is a big like these

458
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Speaker 2: guys are built. Yeah, you didn't see the small, slender

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Speaker 2: speedster guys. All these guys were you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: jacked up, especially up top like it was it was

461
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Speaker 2: the gun show, you know, with the arms and everything,

462
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Speaker 2: and they run. They ran powerfully too. Emma Johnson from

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Speaker 2: Nebraska is another guy that I thought did a good

464
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Speaker 2: job this week. Jeremiah Love Jendarian Price from Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: They have a very real chance to be the first

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Speaker 2: two running backs off the board, which I guess has

467
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Speaker 2: never happened where both the top two running backs come

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Speaker 2: from the same school. Just the power or the speed

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Speaker 2: for these alleged power guys that really stood out. And

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Speaker 2: it's man, some of the testing that you saw, like wow,

471
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Speaker 2: that guy's that big and he can run that fast.

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Speaker 2: And again to your point, the on field drills showed

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Speaker 2: it too, like these guys all showed some soft hands

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Speaker 2: out of the backfield and the guys who chose to

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Speaker 2: do the positional stuff. It raised my overall impression of

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Speaker 2: the running back class, which isn't like other than Love,

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Speaker 2: who is he should be a top five pick in

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Speaker 2: this draft. I had most guys in the mid day

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Speaker 2: two to late day three type range, and I think

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Speaker 2: I collectively moved the entire group up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: just from the athletic potential that they showed.

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Speaker 1: Ryan your thoughts on the group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting, guys, how this

484
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Speaker 3: running back shuffle organizes itself out behind Jeremiah Love, because

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Speaker 3: if I'm with you, he's he's the number two player

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Speaker 3: in my class, right behind Caleb Downs. And that's really

487
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Speaker 3: a one a one, and I think it's the overall

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Speaker 3: those Yeah, both those guys asked me, Hey, which guys

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Speaker 3: could I've got to be a pro bowler year one?

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Speaker 3: It's Downs and it's Jeremiah Love. But I thought, I

491
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Speaker 3: mean again, I'm happy he tested the four three was

492
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Speaker 3: obviously outstanding. He's more so in that Jamir Gibbs by

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Speaker 3: Jean Robinson category. For me, I had him higher, much

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Speaker 3: higher actually than Ashton Genty coming out last year in

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Speaker 3: my book. But overall, I think some of the scat

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Speaker 3: back type of players demon Clayborne. I think he's going

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Speaker 3: to be a guy that comes in is maybe a

498
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Speaker 3: multi face contributor for a team offense and some special

499
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Speaker 3: teams too. So he has I continually im impressed by

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Speaker 3: a guy like Eli Heidenreich. A lot of you know,

501
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Speaker 3: I don't know where he goes guys in this draft,

502
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Speaker 3: but NFL teams across the board and say we can

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Speaker 3: use a guy like that, you know, a potential third

504
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Speaker 3: down type of player, a guy that's a multi face

505
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Speaker 3: guy as well. He's competitive, he's physical. We played that

506
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Speaker 3: slot back position in that Navy offense, so he's used

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Speaker 3: to having those RB one type of touches. Very impressed

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Speaker 3: with him. Jam Miller from Alabama. I mean every year

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Speaker 3: we could sit here and talk about Alabama running back.

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Speaker 3: They just produced guys a year after year after year.

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Speaker 3: But I thought, jam to your point, Jeff, as far

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Speaker 3: as a physically impressive kid, now, I thought he ran well,

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Speaker 3: I thought he moved well. The vision on tape is there.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be a guy I think that has that

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Speaker 3: Peyton Barber type of build to where he can push

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Speaker 3: the pile a little bit on third and two early

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Speaker 3: in his career. So there are a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: in that third, fourth, fifth, sixth round bucket. They're gonna

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Speaker 3: go off. Really every class we have guys in that bucket,

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Speaker 3: but Eli, Heyden, Reich, Demon, Clayborne, Jam Miller, three guys

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Speaker 3: for me specifically, Hide and Reich from Navy is one

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Speaker 3: of my favorite players in that David bucket in his class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a lot of fun watching him at

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Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl. Catches the ball extremely all out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield, so he could be a third down weapon.

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Speaker 1: And I'll throw some love to Seth mcgawan as well.

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Speaker 1: Obviously some off the field stuff for him, trying to rehabilitate,

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Speaker 1: which was a rough college experience, had to go jail,

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Speaker 1: you know, so ruined. Nice week for him, forty two

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Speaker 1: in ten to eleven broad tops in both categories, showing

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Speaker 1: some explosion. He's a nice week at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: as well. Earlier in the year. All right, let's jump

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Speaker 1: over to the tight end position guys before we go

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Speaker 1: to wide receiver. You know, we saw the great testing,

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Speaker 1: especially from Kenyon Sadik. We mentioned them earlier. I thought

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Speaker 1: his taped the second half of the year was a

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Speaker 1: lot better than the first half. He ran a lot

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Speaker 1: more deeper routes down the field. I thought he expanded

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Speaker 1: his route tree a little bit. And then Eli Stowers,

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Speaker 1: you know, it ran a four or five, which is

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Speaker 1: more than good enough. Is jumps or you know, throw

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Speaker 1: the roof. He did a nice job. And then I

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Speaker 1: think you got a bunch of two way backs here

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Speaker 1: that you feel good about in that same range we

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Speaker 1: talked about with the centers right, kind of like that

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Speaker 1: early Day three type of range where you can find

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Speaker 1: a guy Ryan that can contribute right away and help

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Speaker 1: you as a two way player.

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys right twenty seven tight ends invited

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Speaker 3: to that thing out Indy. There's going to be a

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Speaker 3: flavor of different body types, of different skill sets for everybody.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, and I'm very disappointed that Michael

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Speaker 3: Trigg from Baylor did not test, did not do on

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Speaker 3: field drills. For me, guys, I think he has the

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Speaker 3: potential as an f weapon in this league to potentially

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Speaker 3: be a top ten tight end in football. He has

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Speaker 3: all the skills set in space to be as good

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Speaker 3: as Kenyan Sadik, as good as Eli Stowers specifically in

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Speaker 3: this class. In my book, I wish I could have

560
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Speaker 3: seen him work out there at Indy. But overall, when

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Speaker 3: you work back in the back of the class, Matthew

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Speaker 3: Hidner r J Marland, both from SMU, I thought were

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Speaker 3: really nice. I think Tanner Kojield from Houston and Nate

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Speaker 3: Berkashire from Texas A and m both took advantage of

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Speaker 3: the process I wanted to see a little bit more

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Speaker 3: fluidity from a guy like Max Claire from Ohio State,

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Speaker 3: the Purdue transfer. Want to see a little bit more there,

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Speaker 3: But I still think he's a guy that's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a headliner in this class on day two along with

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Speaker 3: Sam Rousch, one of the premier tight ends as far

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Speaker 3: as the y players, the inline players in this class

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Speaker 3: out of Stanford. So again, a lot of different body types,

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Speaker 3: a lot of different skill sets in this class. But

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Speaker 3: I would be remiss also if I didn't mention Josh

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Speaker 3: Quavis from Alabama. Not going to vow you as far

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Speaker 3: as athletic in tangibles, but just outstanding hands, maybe the

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Speaker 3: best potential hands in the class in that group. And

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Speaker 3: then also Jaron Kannak. I think he's more so that

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Speaker 3: you tight end an offense that Kylee Yuschek potential build,

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Speaker 3: former highly recruited kid at Oklahoma that was that linebacker

581
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Speaker 3: made his transition to the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Very athletic piece, physical player, will block his tail off

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Speaker 3: for you, And I think that's the guy maybe goes

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Speaker 3: late Day three and the cars out a role nicely

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Speaker 3: for him early in his career and outplays his draft

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Speaker 3: slot quickly.

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Speaker 2: Who's ay, Jeff, you know, I'm glad you brought up

588
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Speaker 2: Quavas because he's a guy that doesn't get a lot

589
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Speaker 2: of run. He was at Washington and was a receiver

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Speaker 2: that like a much better receiver. Showed a lot more

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Speaker 2: in that than he ever did at Alabama. But he's

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Speaker 2: a guy and he brought up a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys who can move around. Rausch is another one. You

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Speaker 2: can play him as an h back, you can play

595
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Speaker 2: him as an F. You can play him in line

596
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Speaker 2: if you want to. You can split him out in

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Speaker 2: the slot if you like. Whatever you want your tight

598
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Speaker 2: end to do. A lot of these guys can do that.

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Speaker 2: Raus tested very well. He's a guy that certainly helped

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Speaker 2: himself throughout this offseason because at Stanford again, and this

601
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Speaker 2: is where you have to go back to the tape

602
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Speaker 2: a little bit, how was his quarterback play, what was

603
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Speaker 2: his usage in their offense? And you have to project

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Speaker 2: a little bit that he's going to do different things

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. And that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 2: the combine is so important for guys like him, because

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Speaker 2: he showed that he has the athletic upside and the

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Speaker 2: movement skills to do more in the NFL than he

609
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Speaker 2: did in college, where tight ends generally aren't all that useful.

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Speaker 2: I was actually disappointed in Claire a little bit because

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Speaker 2: I thought he was a guy that could have really

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Speaker 2: shown and he didn't. And like Ryan said Michael Trigg,

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Speaker 2: he had a chance to really Like I think he's

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Speaker 2: a fantastic athlete and his receiving skills are as good

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Speaker 2: as Syniques, if not better. Didn't show it.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, yeah, I was going to say it

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Speaker 3: to your jet, to your point. As far as the projection,

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Speaker 3: it's really the Sam Laporta conversation remember from a few

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Speaker 3: years ago at Iowa to where the aerial attack for them,

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Speaker 3: right if for the Hawkeyes was really non existent, and

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Speaker 3: projecting him and say, look, this guy can really play

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Speaker 3: if he were to have five to six targets a

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Speaker 3: game and obviously plans in a great spot with Detroit

624
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Speaker 3: and nice around him. And now he is what he

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Speaker 3: is today.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. And I'll throw all two other

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Speaker 1: guys that are my favorites on day through eli rared

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Speaker 1: and at another dame. I thought, on a nice little week,

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Speaker 1: I thought Lake McCree out of USC actually looked pretty

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Speaker 1: smooth in his drills too. He's also a very good blocker.

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Speaker 1: So two guys I wanted to give some love too, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: let's go to wide receiver here. A lot of guys ran,

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys didn't. The guy I'll start with,

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Speaker 1: and then you can take it wherever you want to go.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think CARNL. Tate was gonna run in the

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Speaker 1: four threes. I did think he was gonna run in

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Speaker 1: the four fours. The four or five four surprise me.

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Speaker 1: What makes me more nervous that he didn't do either jumps,

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Speaker 1: which tells me that the jumps were not going to

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Speaker 1: be good, which probably reflects the poort forty time, and

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Speaker 1: he's under two hundred pounds. He was six to two.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to convince yourself to pick a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in the top ten, that's a list of traits

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Speaker 1: that probably gives some people some pause. Despite the fact

645
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: the tape is great and he comes from a good

646
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: program and his skill set is off the charts. The

647
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: traits part of this did not go well for coronelteone Indianapolis.

648
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: No, it did not, and he's the guy that you're

649
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: projecting him. If you're taking him that high, you want

650
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: him to be the number one wide receiver, and he

651
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: was never that in college. That wasn't his role. That's

652
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: not his fault because Ohio State is freaking loaded, but

653
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: that you're asking a lot out of a team. It's

654
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: a leap of faith to take a guy with his

655
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: i'll call it pedestrian build and testing to be that.

656
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he can't transcend that in the NFL.

657
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: I thought, just the top of like mackay Lemon not

658
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: working out, that he didn't help himself by not doing that.

659
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: Now because to your point, he's not testing because he

660
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: knows he's not going to test. Well, I think that's

661
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: pretty well a given. Well, he's the guy that you're

662
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to show that you can do

663
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: some things athletically to be the position that he is

664
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: to play it the way he does. Jordan ticeon another one,

665
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: while I'm still injured, Okay, you're not helping yourself by

666
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: selling a statzer. You're hurt all all the time. Get

667
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: out there and show that you're not hurt. For once,

668
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: he did do some testing, but issued the on field

669
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: for a pro day later.

670
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: On, while you have the same thing. There was no

671
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: testing for Casey conception, there was no testing for Denzel

672
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Boston could argue those are the top five receivers in

673
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: the class.

674
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was disappointed at the Boston test specifically

675
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: because I've been told by people who are at his

676
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: work of facility that he's he's gonna knock the knock

677
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: it out of the park when he tests. Well, here's

678
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: your stage. None of the other guys at the top

679
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: are doing it. Go out and do it, and very

680
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: big missed opportunity for Denzel Boston, who I do think

681
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: is the first round. One of the things that I

682
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: was taken aback by in Indianapolis was the NFL likes

683
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: this guy a lot, a lot more than I suspected

684
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: that they did, based on what I was told and

685
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: gleaned from the week. And he had a chance to

686
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: really cement himself and he didn't do it. Missed opportunities, man,

687
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: That sort of the whole thing it concepts. She os

688
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: another one. I would have loved to have seen him run.

689
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: He's electric with the ball in his hands in this

690
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: is a prime venue to go show what you can do.

691
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: With that and validate it, and he didn't do it.

692
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, with case guys, I think overall, you know, we

693
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: look at he didn't need to run a four to three.

694
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: I think people realize how fast four three is high.

695
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Four to fours potentially would have been absolutely fine for

696
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: a guy to Casey getscept show because he plays fast.

697
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about that when he

698
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: has the ball in his hands, and I'm glad again

699
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: he did on field drills and he looks smooth as expected.

700
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: But I'm with you, Jeff, as far as the dens

701
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: Up Boston stuff. I'm not there with dens Up Boston.

702
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: He's not a first round player for me, and really

703
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: neither is Chris Brazzle from Tennessee. Both those guys for

704
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: me have major separation issues against pressman coverage. It's I

705
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: don't want to have the same conversation as far as

706
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: even just Tennessee with the Jalen Hyatt stuff or even

707
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: the Dante Thornton stuff from last year. But I don't

708
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: again don't want to compare him just because they have

709
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: the T on their helmet. But I've seen the same

710
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: things year after year and similar programs across the country,

711
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: bring in similar guys to fit what they want to do,

712
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: and in this Josh type of offense to where he's

713
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: consistently horizontal priest now vertical post nap, he stands extremely

714
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: high at line of scrimmage. Boston do is the same

715
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: thing at Washington. You're in the NFL and you got

716
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: guys in the outside with darn near thirty three or

717
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: thirty four inch arms like we saw from Cacario Davis

718
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: at Washington, measure into the combine. They're going to get

719
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: inside the contact window and force you to get off

720
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, and if you can't, you're just

721
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: going to be basically exempt from the progression as far

722
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: as your quarterbacks perspective. So both those guys I'm not

723
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: there with, and I would have loved to see more

724
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: from Denzel Boston overall at the combine. But Mackay Lemon,

725
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: I think overall, you know a guy that was I'm

726
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: glad he did the positional drills. Again I mentioned earlier,

727
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: would have like to see a little bit more just

728
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: as far as the comfortability. But I think one guy

729
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: guys that really took advantage of the on field drills

730
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: that I was unimpressed with a little bit on tape

731
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: and at the Senior Bowl John Diamigre down there was

732
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: Jacoby Lane from USC The hands were absolutely outstanding. That's

733
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: what you want to see at six' Four, again same

734
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: concerns me as far as getting off the line of.

735
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: Scrimmage extremely. Tall at the line of, SCRIMMAGE i want

736
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: to get down and get through somebody work around him

737
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: in very released. Package but the hands were just. Outstanding

738
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: as far As i'm going to come in wide receiver,

739
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: three wide receiver four for your. Offense really was impressed

740
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: With Jacobe lane at the.

741
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Combine, YEAH i Thought Caleb douglas was pretty good From Texas.

742
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: TECH i thought he was very. Smooth who else DID

743
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: i liked? THAT i thought did a nice. Job Dion

744
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: burg's tested out of the out of the out of

745
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: the stadium forty two and a half. Inch the ten

746
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: to eleven Broad Skylar bell tested really. Well AND i

747
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: actually thought The alabama Receiver Jeerby bernard did pretty well

748
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: in his. Testing he's a guy THAT i thought was

749
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: really just a possession slot, guy BUT i think he

750
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: maybe should a little bit more than that in terms

751
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: Of ryan what he did at the. Combine he's just

752
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: a very receiver.

753
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: Right what he did At washington's what he did At.

754
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: Bamley he's a guy That rickally do it. All he

755
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: can play THE, y THE, z THE x for you

756
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: potentially come in the backfield as well designated. Touches SO

757
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: i agree with, You mike. THERE i thought he'd had

758
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: a nice combine workout as. Well But i'll say this.

759
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: Too all The georgia Receivers Zacarayah, Branch, Colby, Young Dylan,

760
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: bell those are really your, WHY x AND z players

761
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: right there. Now, ZACHARAI i do, think is a guy

762
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: that goes early second. Round he's kind of in that

763
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 3: bucket of the. Case he concept you own type. Player

764
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: but Overall Kobe, Young Dylan, bell trying to get those

765
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: guys as far as, Hey i'm worthy of a pick

766
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: likely and that fourth to seventh round bucket there On day,

767
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: Three about all three of those players From georgia did

768
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: a nice job this.

769
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Weekend any day three guys impress. You, JEFF i don't even.

770
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Know if he's going to get. Drafted But caldwell From

771
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: cincinnati is a guy who dested off the. Charts he

772
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: doesn't have the game tape at all for. It he's

773
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: got an interesting, backstory but he showed. Potential and if

774
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: you're going to take there are teams that will take

775
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: athletic potential over a guy who might wind up being

776
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: wide receiver five and playing special teams for you for four.

777
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Years and you might want that lottery ticket at the

778
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: end of the draft and, say this guy might not

779
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: make our team as a, rookie but he also might

780
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 2: be a wide receiver two or three by the end

781
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: of his second. Season and that's. SICK i think that's

782
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: where he's.

783
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: At six three six,' four had a eleven two broad

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Speaker 1: forty two inch VERT and i interviewed him At The

785
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Speaker 1: shrine ball and he told me he was going to

786
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: just test off. The charts and when the guy said,

787
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Speaker 1: my expectations nice to see them, Meet them i'm not

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Speaker 1: Defensive Tackles caleb banks can finish, his WORKOUT but i

796
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Speaker 1: thought he was pretty. Impressive otherwise this is not like

797
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: The workout warrior defensive tackle group with a bunch of,

798
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: nose Tackles where i'm not sure how important the field

799
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: jewels are going to be for these guys that you

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00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: want to sit at three hundred and thirty pounds and

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: take on a couple. Of Blockers, but jeff anybody at

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00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle interior defensive line position jump out.

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Speaker 4: To you.

804
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Thanks. Definitely did just from. His testing people that big

805
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: just don't move that that fast. THAT far i think

806
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: the way he sustains his speed. Over time, like again

807
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: you're not asking if you're if you're running more than

808
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: ten yards and you're a, nose tackle you're probably he's

809
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: probably not. Very good you've probably got some. PROBLEMS there

810
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: i just thought that the class, in general like, you

811
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: said it wasn't an. Overwhelming class these are much more

812
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: guys who are gonna plug and play and and fill

813
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: a role for your team rather than dominate for. Your

814
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: team unlike the last couple of years where we've. SEEN

815
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: guys i Covered. The lions We Had tyler williams as

816
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: the first round pick a. Year ago it probably shouldn't

817
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: have gone, that high but like you're dealing with potential

818
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: and you're dealing with the guy who's a hybrid one tech.

819
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: THREE tech i think there were a lot of guys

820
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: that fall into that bucket. This year blanket on names,

821
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: right now but like just because they they tested so

822
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: early in, the process it, felt, like nah like this

823
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: is a this is one where if you felt good

824
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: about a player going into, the combine you'll probably still

825
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: feel good. About them if you weren't sure about, a

826
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: guy they probably didn't do a lot to convince you with.

827
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: That Either dante colioni is one GUY that i do

828
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: want to bring up because he's he's aside from, his name.

829
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: He's fun he's got some. FUN tape i thought he

830
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: helped himself throughout the combine the. INTERVIEW process i was

831
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: sold by a couple of people who are in with.

832
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: Team interviews he helped himself a lot in the interview

833
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: process and as a guy that could solidify being at

834
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: the back end of day two when he's been a

835
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: guy you know he started the season and you saw

836
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: him in the second round ins of mocks and then

837
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: he kind. Of disappeared now he's moving back. Up again, Your, Thoughts.

838
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: RYAN yeah i think this class is rounding out. Really

839
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: nicely guys within. The interior, you know it's funny some

840
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: of our folks around the industry were Low On lee

841
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: hunter as far as his. Combine performance but you know

842
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get from a Guy Like. Lee hunter

843
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: just turn on. THE tape i don't need him to

844
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: have a dynamic ten yard splitter jump out of the

845
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: gym in The vert i'm not looking. For that the

846
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: tape obviously tells a picture There With. Lee hunter so

847
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: you have your guys that are, those knows those one

848
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: Texts that, Lee hunters, Kate McDonald, tim Keene And rayshawn Benny.

849
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: From michigan but then also you have this other side

850
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: of the group where you have the athletic pieces that

851
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: can really push the pocket as he's penetrating type. Of

852
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: Guys grayson Holton from oklahoma's really taken advantage of this

853
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: pre draft process here reminds me a ton of non

854
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: dy adambique down There. IN baltimore I Think caleb Proctor From.

855
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: Southeastern louisiana he's a guy just a few years Ago

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: that Southeast and LOUISIANA. Played lsu he had two sacks in.

857
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: That ballgame so he's been a guy that scouts have

858
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: talked about a, long time had some powerful offers to

859
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: go and switch as far as transfer schools in, the

860
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: portal stayed there, at home and now has made himself

861
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: potentially into An early day. Three selection and then Of

862
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Course saint durant two Ninety From. Penn state they always

863
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: have athletes out of. That pipeline you know what they're

864
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: going to Do From. Penn state but, just overall those

865
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: versatile players that can play up and down. Defensive line,

866
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: these are, you know the day and age guys where

867
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: you're expecting your edge rushers to consistently win from. Five

868
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: tech you also got to get guys that can win within. The.

869
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: Interior right the goal of every offensive line across football

870
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: is to. Double everybody but if you've got some d

871
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: tackles that can also get after, the quarterback you can

872
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: maybe allocate some. Ass sets have to keep a running,

873
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: back in have to keep a tight. End in you

874
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: limit those eligibles on the outside because of the push

875
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: that you can get from. The interior there's a lot

876
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: of guys in that middle round bucket early day, three Bucket,

877
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: like Holton, like Proctor like durant in.

878
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: His class, all right let's go over to the edge, Bosition,

879
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: here ryan and it's a really. Deep class there's a lot. Of,

880
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: GUYS so, I mean i think a lot of, these

881
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: guys no one really. Shocked me i'll throw a couple

882
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: of guys that surprised, me some, you know maybe not

883
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: as big as names you could touch on whoever. You Want, Mason.

884
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Riegerrada wisconsin after a very strong, shrine ball he was

885
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: once again really really good with his testing forty for

886
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: over ten, foot broad really good ten yards split on

887
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: the forty one, six one which. Is Excellent Danny denis

888
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: sutton did as well as you could, have expect, you know,

889
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: not twitchy but, really, big powerful explosive guy who's going

890
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: to be, a big powerful guy in. The edge so

891
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: those are a couple of the GUYS that i thought

892
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: really did well. For themselves but most of the guys

893
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: that were talking about late, first round early, SECOND round

894
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: i thought they did exactly what they need to do

895
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: too in order to maintain their.

896
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: Draft, SPOT yeah i think this one guy that's not

897
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: getting out of maybe the, second Round That's. Malachi lawrence,

898
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know he's someone that's really taking advantage

899
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: of this pre track Process and i'm happy for him

900
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: as a long range athletic type of. PASS rusher I

901
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: think romelo Hype From, texas tech, you know living in

902
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: the Shadow Of david bailey all, Year Long annale Hunter

903
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: And jacob rodriguez along that front seven And Even Skyler.

904
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: Gil howard to throw in that group earlier as far

905
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: as the guys, up front, you know hasn't. Been EASY

906
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: but i would Argue that romelo height has much more

907
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: bend Than What david bailey has off, the edge, you

908
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: know a bible to get out inside that outside shoulder

909
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: of a tackle flashes, on TAPE and i thought he

910
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: showcased that on on. Field drills how about The two,

911
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: Duke Guys vincent Anthony And. Wesley williams both of those players,

912
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: as well really flashed throughout the afternoon. AS WELL. T

913
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: j parker continues to flash a little bit for me

914
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: and Enjoyed His senior bowl, Process also and then you

915
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: Mentioned Denied. Dennis sutton you know you know right away

916
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: which you're, Gonna get John and jeff as far as

917
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: just an early just a guy who can stop the

918
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: run to get his hand out and seal the edge.

919
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: For you but if he's someone there with that light

920
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: bulb metaphor that clicks for him and that past rush

921
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: repertoire develops as a power, LADEN rusher i think he's

922
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: a player in that third fourth round bucket that maybe's

923
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: gonna outplay his draft slot for. A.

924
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Team jeff do you get tell about any guys that

925
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: impressed you and then just give me Take On rubin

926
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: bain in TERMS of i know you talked a lot

927
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: of people out there HOW the nfl is viewing him

928
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: as a very very unique shaped edge RUSHER who i

929
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna test very well when he tests.

930
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: As, well no and he's he's a football player more

931
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: than he's, an athlete and those guys are always tough.

932
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: To project his Teammate A keem mezzitor is probably gonna

933
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: be the. Same way he's not necessarily a. GREAT athlete

934
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: i think his his ankles are stiff, as heck but

935
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: he was a very effective Player At miami you're gonna

936
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: have to have some discussions about the Fact that ban

937
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: got a lot of. The attention on the, other side

938
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: the fact that he is an over aged player who

939
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: really only had one and a half good seasons in

940
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: college out. Of, Six yeah BEAN'S everything i Heard from

941
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: beIN about bean was so going into. The combine most

942
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: people had him, number two, number three number, four overall

943
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: and then it sort of faded a little bit when

944
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: the arm length conversations started. To happen but, then like

945
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: he's just a football player and the football players are.

946
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: Football players i'm glad you Brought Up lawrence ryan because

947
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: he's A guy i'm going through my FINGURE and i have.

948
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: Him starred he's a guy that definitely. Helped himself and by,

949
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: the way he has some good fun TAPE. At ucf

950
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: he can win over either shoulder of. A tackle he

951
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: can play. The run he, doesn't always but he can

952
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: good tackler in space that shows up all over. HIS

953
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: tape i know he has, some misses but he also

954
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: has some really. IMPRESSIVE ones i thought a Guy Like

955
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: max Llewellyn From iowa day three guy did really well

956
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: in the. Positional drills he's a little. Bit upright he's

957
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: a little stiff. As well, another guy very good football

958
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: player who showed enough athleticism that some team's going to

959
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: TAKE a i think he probably helped. Himself around, you

960
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: know he's a guy that went from the sixth to

961
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: the fifth just talk to circle BACK.

962
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: To.

963
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: TJ parker i thought he was one of the biggest

964
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: winners of the, entire week from the athletic display that

965
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: he put on to his interviews that he did both

966
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: at the podium and also outside that with radio entities.

967
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: And everything he explained away his decline and production in

968
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Extraordinarily well came across as a very,

969
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: mature guy a very. DRIVEN guy i think he's a

970
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: guy that just As The detroit lions guy like he

971
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: was not a guy that was going to be in

972
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: consideration at seventeen before, the combine AND now i think

973
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: he's very much in the conversation, at seventeen along with

974
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: a Guy Like keldric Fall from auburn who the positional

975
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: drills were very interesting for him because in the hoop

976
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: drill he had like the best ankles and, coordination movement

977
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: but when you see him go around the bag drill

978
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: and there's a massive pregnant pause from when he hits

979
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: that last bag when he gets, Going FORWARD and i

980
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: don't know what you do, with.

981
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: That, honestly, yeah yeah. IT'S funny i mean to, indrop

982
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you but, you're right, he's smooth but there's, no BURST

983
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: and i don't know how. That translates.

984
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: That's tough that's another one where you're going to be

985
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: projecting because he's. So young you're hoping that he grows

986
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: into that and, being twitchy but at the, same time

987
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: he's got the athletic profile of a lot of guys

988
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: who just never Emerge As keon white being one where

989
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: you're hoping that It gets you're hoping that that develops

990
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: because he's a guy who can. Play inside he's big

991
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: enough to, do it and sure that he could do It.

992
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: In auburn but he's going to be one of those

993
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: GUYS that i think we as evaluators are going to

994
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: argue about and wonder about a lot in the next couple.

995
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: Of months if you want to know how to manage

996
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: two minutes of crunch, Time football i'm. Your man but

997
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: if you're wondering about a long term, financial plan you

998
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: should talk. To, CITIZENS hey i can also talk. Long

999
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 4: care i'd like to learn about. Anilia, ROUTINE yes I

1000
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: knew i could help make sense of your money.

1001
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: With citizens, YEAH right i Would Throw peter woods into that.

1002
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: Group too by, the way for a guy, like you

1003
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: suppoped to figure that guy. Out. TOO yeah i was, Gonna.

1004
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: Say jeff to, your point and it was an excellent

1005
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: point about just as far as finding, football players you

1006
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: gotta find. Ball players we live in a day, and

1007
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: age as you, guys know where it's all. About analytics it's, about, height,

1008
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 3: weight speed meeting. Those thresholds and there's always a difference

1009
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: of Finding A, george carlaftis which is not going to

1010
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: blow you, away athletically but it's a darn good. Football

1011
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: player and then how teams have Prioritized The isaiah simmons of,

1012
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: the World The tyree wilson's of recent memory of Out At,

1013
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: texas tech and how you find just. Ballplayers athletes if

1014
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: you can combine, those two maybe get a guy Like,

1015
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: rvil reees maybe get a Guy Like, sonny, Styles right

1016
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: but then also you look at guys like you just

1017
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: mentioned along this, Edge Group, RUBEN bain i had a

1018
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: couple of conversations AND with cc malanoa And Also, markel

1019
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: bell one of the longest tackles to enter this track

1020
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: in sometime thirty six on, the arms both those guys

1021
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: Who Said rubin bain is an absolute nightmare to deal with.

1022
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: FOR me i know the armlength is going to be concerned,

1023
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: For Teams, but jeff again back to, your point this

1024
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: kid is a. Ball player he is one of the

1025
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: most powerful rushers in. The class he's the best running

1026
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: defender in. The class he can bend at two. Eighty

1027
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: five so if teams want to get cute in the

1028
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: top five to seven to, nine picks there are Some

1029
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: teams i'm, sure, eleven twelve thirteen or even beyond that they, might,

1030
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: say look we'll send you a one next year to

1031
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: come get. This kid you want to get cute, on

1032
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: Him Like jalen carter And the eagles snatched him up

1033
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: and see what he's been. For Them ruben bain is

1034
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: a flat out. Ball player if teams want to get

1035
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: cute with the, arm stuff that's. On them, but again

1036
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: he's just a dominant type of.

1037
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: Football, player yeah if he's not a top, ten pick

1038
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: there needs to be An investigation i'm with you one

1039
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: hundred percent. On that, all right let's go. To linebacker You,

1040
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: mentioned ryan so why don't we. Go There sonny styles

1041
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: obviously just stealing. The show and the funny thing is

1042
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: that EVERYTHING that i Loved About sunny styles and how

1043
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: he plays the game was not about. His athleticism is

1044
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: everything else, is great and then he puts that on.

1045
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: Top Unbelievable arvel reese, Was great AND again i think

1046
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: it's a pretty strong off ball, linebacker CLASS and i

1047
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: think for the, most part these guys showed out as

1048
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: far Down As, jacob RODRIGUEZ who i think did great

1049
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: given what people thought he was gonna, do athletically he

1050
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: might push Himself into round two consideration.

1051
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: Elite class it. Really is you can get your early,

1052
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: down thumpers you can get guys who want to run around.

1053
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: IN space i think One player i'm really still interested

1054
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: to see how he progresses in the pre draft Process

1055
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: Is kendall Daniels, from oklahoma, big long physical player at

1056
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: really just an athlete. RIGHT now i want to see

1057
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: more of that football player coming to. His profile but

1058
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: you mentioned the guys at, THE top, I Mean, sonny

1059
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: styles is this guy that we came into this combine

1060
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: saying seven to. THIRTEEN fourteen i think seven is his floor.

1061
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: RIGHT now i think he's a guy that maybe even

1062
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: the Potential First ohio state guy drafted off. THE board

1063
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: i wouldn't be surprised In late april as far as

1064
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: who he is as, a man who he is also

1065
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: as a football player in combining that athleticism that we

1066
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: saw at. The combine but the guys really in, that,

1067
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: second third fourth round bucket very Impressed With Anthony hill

1068
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: junior thought he increased his stock at. The Combine bryce

1069
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: Betcher from oregon is just a. NASTY dude i, love you.

1070
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: He said we mentioned. Ballplayers earlier that's the guy just

1071
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: wants to get downhill and take your lunch money a

1072
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: little bit and let you know. About it he's going

1073
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: to be a multiphase contributor as far as defense and.

1074
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: Special teams how ABOUT the tcu Guys elarms Or And

1075
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: namdi obiiser. AS well i thought had a really. Nice

1076
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: combine so all three days and guys have even INTO the.

1077
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: UDFA bucket i think there's going to be some players

1078
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: that push for some fifty three spots because there's just

1079
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: so many guys from so many teams with different skill

1080
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: sets and different body types in.

1081
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: This, class ryan by, the way you have ripped out some.

1082
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Pronunciations today very. Well done just just for. The, record

1083
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: yeah if your thoughts.

1084
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: On, The, group yeah OBA'S or I hope i said.

1085
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: That right definitely stood out for his workout and you

1086
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: go back and we'll Get The bud clark in. A

1087
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: Bit but i'm a massive fan. Of his but watching

1088
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: the guys in front, of, him, like hey these guys

1089
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 2: can play a little, BIT too, I thought i thought

1090
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: some of the guys that. Stood out Jake gold Day

1091
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: from cincinnati is a guy that has steadily risen throughout.

1092
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: This process he did nothing to hurt himself in that

1093
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: process in At. In indy just to go back To

1094
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: The ohio state Discussion with Styles, AND reese i don't.

1095
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: THINK it i think it gets lost on Folks That

1096
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: sunny styles was. A, safety yep he's he's he's. Freakishly

1097
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: long he had the same amount of SACKS As rvl

1098
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: reese did. In college so you can use him as,

1099
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: you know the. Overhang defender the way that That nick

1100
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: Emmon worry Has And kyle hamilton have become where they

1101
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: are multi use weapons and styles is more athletic than

1102
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: than either of. THOSE guys i think this guy's will limit.

1103
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: For him it was funny sitting in the stands with

1104
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: the Media on thursday as. The workouts everybody was, immediately

1105
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: like he's going to the jets, at too? Isn't he

1106
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: and you know all the other guys got pushed down

1107
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: and you know that that quelled a. Little bit but

1108
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: you know he's Certainly to, RYAN'S point i can't see

1109
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: him getting out of the top five or six or.

1110
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: Seven players he's he always run into the, You, know

1111
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: okay does he have a? Defined, POSITION well i THINK

1112
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: the nfl is doing a better job of finding where

1113
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: those guys can play and using them in. Diverse Ways

1114
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: in detroit We Have brian branch who does. That role

1115
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: he's not nearly, that athletic but you're finding ways to

1116
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: Get The derwin james moving all over. The PLACE and

1117
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: i think that that styles fits in that. VERY well

1118
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: i think you saw just a couple. Other Guys That's.

1119
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: Anthony hill you brought, Him up ryan. Another guy his tape,

1120
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: is inconsistent but he Showed in indy he could be

1121
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: more than he can be the good tape all the

1122
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: time if you get him in the. Right situation, Another

1123
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: One red Murdoch, from buffalo is a guy who's, you

1124
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: know this Is a day, three guy probably going to

1125
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: be a core special teams player, for you but showed

1126
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: it just enough athleticism. And awareness love watching his eyes

1127
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: in the workouts, like this he clearly, got like where

1128
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: where's THE guy i have? To hit? You know he

1129
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: can tell that he, was like give me somebody that

1130
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 2: can pop here in front. Of him so he's another

1131
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: ONE that i thought it did a good job for Himself.

1132
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: In, INDY yeah i would say two smaller guys that

1133
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: we expected to test well and. They Did kyle lewis Out.

1134
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: Of pittsburgh really. Nice job, you know if you get,

1135
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: them again find, the way, you know could? You do

1136
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: put him in a slot safety roll of two hundred

1137
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds with, his speed his coverage At The

1138
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: senior bowl. Was great AND then i want to throw

1139
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: some Love To, owen heinike the converted lacrosse player Out.

1140
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: Of oklahoma he moves. Extremely well we'll see he's still

1141
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: trying to go back. To school lawsuit pending WITH. The

1142
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: ncaa so we'll see what happens. With that, all right

1143
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: let's go to, cornerback GUYS and i will continue to.

1144
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: Go flowers to the GUY that i loved before, the

1145
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: combine and he might have just made it really tough

1146
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: for him to get the thirty seven To, the giants

1147
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: And That's chris Johnson At San. DIEGO state i thought

1148
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: he was a great. FOOTBALL player i thought he was gonna.

1149
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: TEST well i didn't think he was gonna test. THAT

1150
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: well i Thought con hood. Helped Himself malik muhammad helped

1151
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: himself without he tested. At corner and Then To, carlo

1152
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: DAVIS who i like coming into. THE year i think

1153
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: his tape this year was quite where you wanted it.

1154
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: To be but he tested really well as a big corner.

1155
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: As well jeff who stood out to you at the.

1156
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: Cornerback position.

1157
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: The fastest guy who was there at least earlier in

1158
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: the Testing Was erno Price. From missouri he's got. Inconsistent

1159
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: tape he does have enough good tape that you can

1160
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: look at how he tested athletically and, be, Like, wow

1161
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: okay maybe there's. Something Here, the uh so many of

1162
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: the GUYS that i wanted, to test and that was frustrating.

1163
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: FOR me, I thought davis in a, Big noison who's

1164
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: Look His ohio state tape is going to be very polarizing.

1165
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: For people and he didn't, run great but he ran

1166
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: well ENOUGH that i still think he's gonna wind up

1167
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: being an early day. Two PICK and i don't think

1168
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: people see him he is when he Doesn't hold he

1169
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: does have some, decent tape, but god he's gonna call.

1170
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: The whole you don't see That. In indy so, YOU

1171
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: know i thought for guys like him that are, PHYSICAL

1172
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: merchants i think being able to show that you have

1173
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: feet as well. As HANDS and i thought he did

1174
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: a decent job enough job. AT that a couple other

1175
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: guys that stood out just looking at my started, Look

1176
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: Here colton hood didn't have the. Best combine, but again

1177
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 2: this is a Guy from he. Showed enough the one

1178
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: that the elephant in the room Now is jerma McCoy

1179
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: still wasn't healthy enough, to test hasn't played football in.

1180
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: Sixteen months somebody's gon, TAKE like i don't ever see

1181
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: him not projected in the. Top twenty you're taking a

1182
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: real leap of faith on a guy who basically came

1183
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: out And said i'm still not ready. To Roll that's

1184
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: i'm not sure that that was the best advice that

1185
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: he got to talk openly about his injuries the way that.

1186
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: He, did bryan your thoughts on, The, GROUP yeah, I

1187
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: mean i'm there.

1188
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: With You, WITH coltonhood i don't think he gets out of,

1189
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 3: day one. YOU know i think he had a Really Nice.

1190
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: Senior bowl and it's, funny, though Too With Chris johnson

1191
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: johnny in the first Day Of senior BALL and i,

1192
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: Was Saying chris johnson man had a. ROUGH day i

1193
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a guy that's gonna be a top.

1194
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: Forty pick and then of course he came into his

1195
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: own and the cream always rises at. The Top and

1196
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: i'm there. WITH you i think he is potentially a

1197
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: top thirty five selection in. THIS draft i really do

1198
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: like the nickel Class. D'Angelo ponds i wish the kid

1199
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: was maybe fifteen pounds heavi, or two which. Is taller

1200
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: kind of. Have That, Mike Hilton, Kenny Moore, mike sanders

1201
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: still a lot, to them just as far as hey throw,

1202
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: me inside throw, Me outside i'll do whatever for you

1203
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: think he's one of the best pound for pound players

1204
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: overall in this class and out of the side of.

1205
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: THE ball i was very impressed To See tacario davis

1206
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: what he did as far, AS athletically i mean two

1207
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: years ago this Time, at arizona we were talking about

1208
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: this guy's a potential top thirty, two, pick right and

1209
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 3: now he's going to be a guy probably in that

1210
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: day two. Count conversation His Teammate Ephesians, prize sock one

1211
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: of the best names in. The class also a guy

1212
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: that ran, really well tested, really well look good at on.

1213
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 3: Field drills Another guy i'm gonna go back in the

1214
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: Tape On jayden Kennedy. FROM oregon i know we had

1215
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: A Good shrine, bowl week looked good. On tape that's

1216
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: Someone late day three bucket as well on. The showcase

1217
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: and then You Mentioned Malik, MOHAMMAD john i think he's

1218
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: someone that did a really. Nice job he can play.

1219
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 3: Inside out you always know what you're going to get

1220
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: as Far as texas defenders. Playing downhill you saw that

1221
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: last Year at. Andrew Mccuba So Malik muhammad day, TWO

1222
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: player i think in that third round bucket gonna be

1223
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: a nice nickel player.

1224
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: For Somebody, all, Right guys final group has gotten MORE than.

1225
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: I thought i appreciate you guys being patient with. Me

1226
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: here let's go to the safety spot and this was

1227
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: a legitimately really. Fast GROUP and I Like dylan fieneman,

1228
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: coming IN but i was not expecting a four to

1229
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: three five out. Of him considering how he plays the

1230
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: game from a, MENTAL perspective i think that will certainly.

1231
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: Help him who also from the safety group really jumped

1232
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: out at, You There ryan.

1233
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: Arizona guys Trade, And Stukes. GENESIS smith, I know jeff

1234
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 3: You Mentioned bud, clark Earlier so i'll let you Talk.

1235
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: ABOUT bud i love, him too one of the premier

1236
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: ballhawks in. The class But Really genesis Smith And. Traden stukes,

1237
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: From me traden's an. INTERESTING player i don't know exactly

1238
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: where he's gonna fall guys in this class as far

1239
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 3: as is he, a safety is is he a low?

1240
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 3: Post defender is he going to be a? BIG slot

1241
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: i just think for that, versatility though if he falls

1242
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 3: in the, RIGHT defense i think he's someone that's just

1243
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: going to be a heck of. A Ballplayer. SO vero,

1244
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: i mean You Mentioned dylan. Dynaman again Trade and stoukes though,

1245
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: for me in. This class really Good ballplayer. Isaiah n

1246
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: QUOBIA from smu as, A player i'm interested to see

1247
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: where he also falls in. THIS class smu always has

1248
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: ballplayers along with the mod moses from that, defense also

1249
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 3: so all those players as well as the safety position

1250
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: just really stood out to me at the combine.

1251
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: This, Week Yeah bud CLARK from tcu is a GUY

1252
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: that i have been championing for a. Long time did

1253
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: nothing to hurt. HIMSELF here i do want to bring

1254
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: up one CORNERBACK that i, Did Omit. AVION terrell i

1255
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: thought had a very nice week for, himself too as

1256
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 2: a guy who solidified himself as a first round pick

1257
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: and came in bigger, than expected and that doesn't happen often,

1258
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: with CORNERS so i wanted to give him a. QUICK

1259
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: shout I Love genesis smith as an over the top

1260
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: type SAFETY and i think he's showed everything that he

1261
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: needed to do to. Be that if you ask him, to,

1262
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: tackle you're as a friend of, mine said if you're

1263
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: asking your free safety who plays The Way genesis smith

1264
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: does to make more than fifty tackles in, the season

1265
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to last long as a. Coaching entity,

1266
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: but man he's got a lot of fun tape. And

1267
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: snookes i'm, WITH you i don't know where to, play

1268
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: HIM but i want to find where to. Play him

1269
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: he does have some injury issues that concerned me a,

1270
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: little bit And as john knows from doing this over,

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Speaker 2: The years i'm much more skittish on injuries than most

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Speaker 2: people in, our profession so that scares me a. Little

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Speaker 2: bit but that he certainly had a. Good week.

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Speaker 3: Some of the.

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Speaker 2: Other safeties i'm looking at my, Notes.

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Speaker 1: HERE kilgore I thought i had to bring up got.

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Speaker 2: To Bring up Toledo. McNeil warren he's bigger than we thought.

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Speaker 2: He was that's a top. Twenty pick the way, he

1279
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Speaker 2: moves the tape that he Has At, Toledo Way, toledo

1280
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Speaker 2: school but by the way consistently cranks out good. DEFENSIVE

1281
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Speaker 2: backs i thought he did a great job of solidifying

1282
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: himself as a guy who's going to be gone well

1283
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: before the end of the. First round and the their

1284
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: cornerback that, WAS there i think it's fuller had a

1285
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Speaker 2: good good time.

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Speaker 3: As well yeah, all, Right guys yeah, Go, Ahead ryan, i'm,

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Speaker 3: sorry yeah, Real quick just. One guy Cole WAS noosky

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Speaker 3: i would have liked to See To North kota state

1289
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Speaker 3: Transfer To texas tech another guy Right From. Texas Tech

1290
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Speaker 3: but Cole was newsy's gonna be a nice player. For

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Speaker 3: somebody on.

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Speaker 1: DAY three i thought he was very good at the

1293
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: shrine ball watching him, down THERE so i was surprised

1294
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Speaker 1: he didn't. Get it invite a right, Final, Question guy

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00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: we're In a, giants PADCAST so i got to ask

1296
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Speaker 1: you what should Be the giants thought process here at?

1297
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Number Five because i'm sitting here, telling fans, all right

1298
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: you should be thinking about either a safety and off

1299
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: ball linebacker or a running back or a hybrid off

1300
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: ball linebacker, edge player which isn't usually what you're looking at.

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: At FIVE am i? Missing Something, or brian is that

1302
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: what you're? Thinking too I'm.

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: Thinking sonny styles is the guy? Right now my focus

1304
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: would Be On If i'm giants brass you know you

1305
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: look back to the History Of john harbad With A ray,

1306
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Speaker 3: lewis type A rokwand. Smith type get a guy in

1307
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: the middle of your defense that can be a green

1308
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Speaker 3: dot for the next ten. Plus years Think of I'm

1309
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Speaker 3: the giants, right now my focus Is On.

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Speaker 2: Sonny styles how About, you jeff go Wrong With caleb downs.

1311
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: There Either sonny styles is off. The board downs not an,

1312
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: elite athlete but he's darn good enough, at everything and

1313
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: he might be the smartest and HIGHEST football iq player in.

1314
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: This draft he's the number one player on the board.

1315
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: For me if you can get him at. Number five

1316
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: he solves a lot of problems that you can. Do

1317
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: him you can deploy him in a lot of. Different

1318
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: Ways like ran, just said you've got a defensive coach

1319
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: who knows how to use premium and safeties well. And

1320
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: diversely you can't go roun with you there will have

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Speaker 2: a see guy and if they're, both gone Are the

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Speaker 2: reesmikes a lot of. Sense too.

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Speaker 1: It's true, all, Right, guys ryan let's store with you

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Speaker 1: work and everybody find your. Great Work.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah My podcast Commanding the huddle two times a

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Speaker 2: in studio there too.

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Speaker 1: As, well gentlemen enjoy the rest of. The process. Have

1348
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Speaker 1: fun it should be a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of fun thanks for, Having. Us Seun.

1350
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: Thanks sean, all right That's The Giants, otter podcast brought

1351
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