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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guests Charlemagne the God in the building.

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Speaker 2: Y'ao, Queen wit, what's happening?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? How do you feel?

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God also known as hip Hop's Howard Starn really,

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Speaker 1: best selling author of books Black Privilege, Shook One, and

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Speaker 1: most recently, Get Honest or Die Lion Why Small Talk Sucks.

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Speaker 1: In addition to all these accolades, you have invested close

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Speaker 1: to thirty years in the radio broadcasting industry. You're the

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Speaker 1: founder of the Black Effect podcast network.

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Speaker 3: Where you can listen to Eating While Broke, where you.

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Speaker 1: Can which you yourself is literally the only reason why

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Speaker 1: we were able to do this interview. In addition to

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Speaker 1: all that, you are the creative of Black Privilege Publishing.

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Speaker 1: I read this quote. I was hanging out in my

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Speaker 1: dad's apartment. He had this quote on the wall and

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Speaker 1: I took it. And the whole irony in this quote

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Speaker 1: is that he actually took it from me. But I

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Speaker 1: read this quote and I thought of you. Excellence is

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Speaker 1: never an accident. It is always a result of high intention,

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Speaker 1: sincere effort, intelligent direction, skillful execution, and the vision to

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Speaker 1: see obstacles as opportunities. Now I thought of you because

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Speaker 1: just reading all your books, I was like, personally and professionally,

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Speaker 1: it seems like that has been your journey. Absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So I gotta ask, what is the broke dish that

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Speaker 1: you would have had us eating in my studio?

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Speaker 2: If I really don't know. I was racking my brain

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Speaker 2: when they kept telling me, and I watched the show

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, they kept you know, you got to

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Speaker 2: have a broke dish, and I'm like, I didn't really

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Speaker 2: have a broke dish coming up. And the reason I

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Speaker 2: say that is because even though we were poor, I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize we were poor until I got older, because

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Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in Monks Corner, South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: and you know, when you grow up in a ruined

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Speaker 2: area like that, like everybody is pretty much doing the same, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you might have a couple of individuals who

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Speaker 2: got a house that's better than yours, but for the

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Speaker 2: most part, people were growing up in double wide trailers

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Speaker 2: and we're growing up in you know, like small subvern

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Speaker 2: homes like my grandma used to have. But the one

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Speaker 2: thing that we always had was food in funny food,

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Speaker 2: funny and family.

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Speaker 3: Literally you know.

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Speaker 2: So it's like the things that people would call broke

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Speaker 2: meals or the things that I still love now.

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Speaker 3: Like I love grits and eggs.

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Speaker 2: You give me some scrambled eggs with some grits and butter,

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Speaker 2: I'm good. Like my grandma used to make this. She

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Speaker 2: used to make cheese toasts. So she would just take

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Speaker 2: the toast. My mouth started water and thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: She would just take the toast and like you know,

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Speaker 2: put the butter on the center and then put a

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Speaker 2: slice of cheese and literally warm that up.

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Speaker 3: And I would drink that with a cup of tea.

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Speaker 2: And now that I think about it, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that was like the meals that they were giving us

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Speaker 2: because that's what they could afford to give us, like

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Speaker 2: even you know, but it was amazing that it still

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Speaker 2: tasted good. Like it don't make me feel like something.

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Speaker 2: It's something that I still enjoy now. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: so to me, that's not It might be a broke dish,

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Speaker 2: but I still love it.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing guests say that they were broke but

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Speaker 1: they didn't realize they were broke. But in those types

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Speaker 1: of cities, what I did notice is that, yeah, everyone

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Speaker 1: looked the same. But what differentiated kids from knowing whether

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Speaker 1: they were broke was at least I don't know, we're

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Speaker 1: close in age, but it was the like kicks, like

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Speaker 1: were you going to school with the cool kicks or something?

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Speaker 1: So or nah?

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Speaker 2: I had none of those. My dad. I remember, I

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Speaker 2: wanted they used to be these boots called high tech boots,

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Speaker 2: and my dad they saw the bootleg version that paid us,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted them so bad that I'm like, y'all

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Speaker 2: get the bootleg version that pay less.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't. The kids didn't noticing me.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I woke up one morning and my dad

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Speaker 2: had the high tech sitting by my bed. I was like, oh, shoot,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have like the Jordans and all of that

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't even what kind of sneakers did

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying in that environment, that wasn't the thing

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Speaker 1: that differentiated a poor kid from it because in those environments,

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Speaker 1: everyone's technically in the same economic structure. But I remember

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Speaker 1: growing up in upstate New York where even though we

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Speaker 1: some kids that would go to school wearing Jordan's or Nikes,

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Speaker 1: and then they would look at the kids and say,

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Speaker 1: how as a child you knew you were poor.

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Speaker 2: But the people who had the Jordans and stuff when

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Speaker 2: I was growing up with the drug dealers for the

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Speaker 2: most part, you know, I mean, either the drug dealers

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Speaker 2: are like the football players because you know, people in

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Speaker 2: their minds like all these people are going places, so

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Speaker 2: you know, let me throw them some shoes or something

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Speaker 2: like that. But for the most part, the drug dealers

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Speaker 2: had to fly kicks that I remember, you know, growing up.

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember what I didn't. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: sit in and try, like what did that wear back then?

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Speaker 2: Sneak awise, I had some converse because you know, Snoop

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Speaker 2: Dogg came out in like ninety two ninety three, so

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Speaker 2: we had the converse all stars. You know, That's all

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Speaker 2: I can really think of.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to the cheese toast, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I did have On the show, someone had

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Speaker 1: did it with sugar and that was impressed.

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Speaker 2: Mine was straight cheese toast to butter with a slice

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Speaker 2: of cheese, cup of tea. That's what my grandmother would

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Speaker 2: give us. And I can even still right now think

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Speaker 2: just an amazing meal. I can't remember that. That wasn't

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Speaker 2: even breakfast. That might have just been like, yo, you

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Speaker 2: just got home from school. You might get some cheese

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Speaker 2: toast with a cup of tea, you know, definitely, like

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Speaker 2: I said, gritch and eggs for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And you keep referencing your grandma's house. Is there a

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Speaker 1: reason because did you stay with her?

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Speaker 2: No? Well, when I was young, my mother, my mother

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Speaker 2: was a school teacher, you know, and my grandmother was

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Speaker 2: a lunch lady. Right, so you know, I grew up

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Speaker 2: And you know, I would never dare do that with

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Speaker 2: was different. So I would literally wait till my mom

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Speaker 2: spent a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of time over there, okay, And then take me through

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Speaker 1: to at least fast forward to like your first walk

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Speaker 1: of I want to get into entertainment or in that direction.

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Speaker 2: My grandmother's house, sitting outside while they were waiting waiting

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Speaker 2: when I was young, it used to seem like it

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Speaker 2: was this huge field between my grandmother's house and my

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Speaker 2: cousin Gloria's house. But the field really isn't that big now,

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Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I used to feel like

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Speaker 2: it was really big, and I would just be out

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Speaker 2: there acting like I was performing, Like I literally would

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Speaker 2: acting like I was, you know, at a certain point

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Speaker 2: I guess that's when the bug kind of hit me,

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Speaker 2: Like y'all want to entertain in some way shape or form.

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Speaker 1: Did you see or hear it somewhere and then it

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Speaker 1: like touched you? Was it like maybe per Like I

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Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I would see Michael

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Speaker 1: Jackson performing. People pass out and I'll be like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, like that's incredible. Was there something like that

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Speaker 1: that touched you to get you out into that field?

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Speaker 2: Nah? I just think that. You know, my dad used

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Speaker 2: to play music a lot, and you know, there was

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Speaker 2: always albums lying around, so you would just see those

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Speaker 2: you know. I used to I'm a big cartoon guy

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Speaker 2: to this day. So I used to like watch a

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Speaker 2: lot of ThunderCats and.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Thundercat.

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Speaker 2: Thundercast, and it was there was a spin off of

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Speaker 2: the ThunderCats. I think it was the silver Fish or

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Speaker 2: something like that. Maybe I'm bugging, but I remember, or

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Speaker 2: maybe it was or maybe it was something with birds,

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Speaker 2: you know, the cats. The ThunderCats were cats, but then

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Speaker 2: it was there was a spin off show that was

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Speaker 2: either Birds of Fish. I don't remember which one it was,

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Speaker 2: but I remember like I would have this imagination that

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Speaker 2: I was you know, it's gonna sound crazy, but I

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Speaker 1: So imagination at its best, that's.

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Speaker 2: That's all it was. So it's like, yeah, so then what.

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Speaker 1: Was that big next big milestone? After you know you're performing,

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Speaker 1: you kind of have this like love affair with performing.

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Speaker 1: What was that next big milestone or pivotal moment where

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Speaker 1: you said maybe I should actually push a button and

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Speaker 1: take it a step further.

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Speaker 2: Well, for radio, it started with me getting an internship.

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Speaker 2: That's why I think internships are so important. And I

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Speaker 2: got an internship when I was eighteen years old in Charleston,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. And the reason I was able to get

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Speaker 2: that internship is because I always tell people, man, stop acting.

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Speaker 3: Like you know and just ask questions.

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Speaker 2: So I've always been a question ask her, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: if there's something that I'm interested in, something I don't

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Speaker 2: know nothing about, I just asked questions about it, a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions, because you know, when you ask a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions, you know you'll get you'll get answers.

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Speaker 2: So I just simply asked my man his name was

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Speaker 2: Willy Will because he used to work as Z ninety

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Speaker 2: three Jams in Charleston, South Carolina, and we used to

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Speaker 2: rap together. Well, let me, I need to take a

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Speaker 2: step back, right. Rap is what we all thought was

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Speaker 2: gonna get us out of the hood right when you

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Speaker 2: was young, because when you looked on television or you

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Speaker 2: looked in magazines, the people who looked like you, who

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Speaker 2: were successful Black people were usually in rap are some

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Speaker 2: form of entertainment, are in athletics. So I always thought

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Speaker 2: rap was gonna take me out of the hood. I

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Speaker 2: love to write, always been a writer, so I just

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Speaker 2: started turning those stories I was writing into into raps.

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Speaker 2: But I was never good in the booth, so I

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Speaker 2: the God. But I was seventeen in high all the

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00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 2: time I eighteen. I don't remember how. I can't remember

433
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 2: how I was, Like, I know it was nineteen ninety eight,

434
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 2: so I was like nineteen probably, but I was in

435
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 2: night school, Okay.

436
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: And then now, when do you officially after the internships

437
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: start getting into paid, like how long?

438
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 2: I I was an intern for a while because they

439
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: actually had canceled the internship programs, and then they brought

440
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 2: me back. And then when they brought me back, they

441
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: hired me in the promotions department. So basically to get paid,

442
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 2: I don't. I think it might have been six hours

443
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: an hour if that at the time. And so I

444
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: was getting paid a little bit of money, you know,

445
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 2: to being promotions. And then my man, Ron White, my guy,

446
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 2: Ron White, still my guy this day. He was a

447
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: music director at the time, and he was like, yo,

448
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: you need to You said, you ever thought about being

449
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: on the radio?

450
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 3: And I was like nah. He was like no, nah,

451
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 3: because I hadn't, you know.

452
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, yeah, I was just I was

453
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: just happy to be there and like you know, every

454
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 2: now and then I would jump on with Willie will

455
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, but I never thought to myself, I can

456
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: get my own show or anything like that. He was like, yo,

457
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: you should, you should, you should.

458
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: Be on air.

459
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: And so Ron White is the president that started, you know,

460
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 2: allowed me to voice track and put me on their

461
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: you know. So that's why I got mad love for

462
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: you know, Ron to this day. Like, you know, certain

463
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: people change the trajectory trajectory of your life, and you know,

464
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: you you should always honor those people, you know, for

465
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: even if you're not on the great terms of them,

466
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: even if you don't like the person no more, you

467
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: should always honor them in your story, Yeah, by telling

468
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 2: them that you know, but tell telling that story about them,

469
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: because you can't erase that.

470
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: The only reason why I wanted to know the how

471
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: long it is? Because we are definitely in the air

472
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: and you talk about it in the book where everyone is,

473
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: especially with the younger people, and I try to think

474
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: back if I was like that, even though I catch

475
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: myself still being like that is like the overnight success,

476
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: Like how long did it take? That's why I wanted

477
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: to stress, like thirty years in radio broadcasting? How long

478
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: did it take of you struggling before you got your

479
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: first big Like, uh, well, I don't want to say

480
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: the six dollar check, but that you.

481
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: Know, Oh, I didn't get a huge check in radio?

482
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: Tell Breakfast Club wow, because.

483
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club was just easily ten years, right.

484
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: Yet longer cause it was that was Breakfast Club was

485
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: the seventh radio station I worked at. So I started

486
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight and then I got with Breakfast

487
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: Club in two thousand and ten.

488
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: Year, So what's that?

489
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: What's that twelve years? Yeah?

490
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: So I worked at four radio stations in Charleston and

491
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: then I was with Wendy Winn. But I worked with

492
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: Wendy for like a year and a half for free,

493
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: you know. And then when I got put on salary,

494
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: I was making seventy thousand dollars a year. And then

495
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I got my own morning show in Philadelphia, and I

496
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: still was making like seventy grand a year, seventy seventy

497
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: five grand a year, something like that. And then I

498
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: went back home. I had to go back home to

499
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: South carolinacause I fired four times.

500
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was my next one. Why were you

501
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: getting fired so much?

502
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: That was just a game, Like it wasn't even about

503
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: anything that I was necessarily doing. It's just like that's

504
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: just the business of a radio. Like when I started

505
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: as the ninety three Jams. That's why I was an intern.

506
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: That's when I was in promotions. That's when I worked

507
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: in programming. I quit, you know, there to go work

508
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: at a station called Hot Night nine. My man George Cook,

509
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: who is the operations manager at K one O four

510
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: in Dallas. He's the first person to give me a

511
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: full time job on radio. Still a great mental mind

512
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: to this day. And even then I was making nineteen

513
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: grand a year. And then I, you know, went to

514
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: Columbia after I got fired from Hot ninety nine. They

515
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: fired George George who hired me, They fired him, bought

516
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: in a new guy, Corey Hill, who was the program director,

517
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: and then Corey fired me because he Corey wanted to

518
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: bring in his own people. Of course, that's just the

519
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: way the game goes in radio.

520
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Now, during this whole journey, what's your mental health looking like?

521
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: Are you starting a second guess whether this is your journey?

522
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: I really want to dig into that mental health state

523
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: when you're going through that roller coaster wave, because you

524
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: even ended up back at home with your parents at

525
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: some point.

526
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: I did the first time. The first time I got

527
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: fired from radio, which was Hot ninety eight nine in Charleston,

528
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: I was a little I was a little fucked up

529
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: mentally because I didn't know that I could go do

530
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: radio other places. So in my mind like that was

531
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: my one shot. Yeah, because I mean I didn't I'm

532
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: from Monst Corner, South Carolina. I know that area. I

533
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: know I can have success in Charleston. I never even

534
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: thought about, you know, doing radio other places. And it

535
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: wasn't until I did this demo tape. But it was

536
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: actually because I used to do my man, doctor Robert

537
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: Evans and his son, my guy DJ Bluss loved him

538
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: to death. They had a record label called Never So Deep,

539
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: and so I was doing an r for them, and

540
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: they put out a compilation album and it was like

541
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: all of their artists because they had a subsidiary deal

542
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: with an MCA back then. That's MCA was a big

543
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: label back in the day. And so they had a

544
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: compilation album and I narrated the compilation album, but I

545
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: put it together like a radio show, and so we

546
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: were just sending that out, you know, around the country,

547
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: and one of the program directors in South Carolina named

548
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: Mike Love, he was like yo, He'd sent me an email.

549
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, Yo, do you do radio for real?

550
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, and he was like, man, come

551
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: see me. And so I drove an hour and a

552
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: half the Columbia, South Carolina from Monks Corner.

553
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: I met my guy, Mike G.

554
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: Love salutor Mike Love, and Mike started putting me on

555
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: in Columbia Thursday, I think I was on Friday, Saturday

556
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: and Sunday in Columbia.

557
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: Maybe Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I don't remember it.

558
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: And that was your second after getting fired from the first.

559
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: That was yeah, that was it, But that was the

560
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: third station I worked at.

561
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: Third.

562
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I loved working in Columbia because my wife

563
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 2: was going to the University of South Carolina, so that's

564
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: in Columbia. So now I had a reason to be

565
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: up there every weekend, you know what I mean. So

566
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: once again, that's God. You can't you cannot script that,

567
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: like that is all God. That's God putting all of

568
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: those pieces together. Like I want y'all to be with

569
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: each other, you know here right, even if y'all go

570
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: through ups and y'all go through downs, I still want

571
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: you all around each other. Because we did break up

572
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 2: for a year at one point during that time. We've

573
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: been together twenty six years. But long story short, I

574
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: ended up in Columbia that station. Big DM flipped formats,

575
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: so I ended up going to work for the station

576
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: that they bought, which was Hot one O three nine,

577
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: which was the big hip hop station in that market.

578
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: And from Hot one O three point nine, that's when

579
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: when Williams got syndicated on Hot one on three point nine.

580
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: So when they would come to the market, her and

581
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: her husband, I would just show them love, you know

582
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: what I mean, like make sure they was good or

583
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: whatever they needed, you know, take them to the clubs,

584
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And that's how we forged a relationship,

585
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: you know. And and it wasn't just they forged a

586
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: relationship with other people around the station at that time too,

587
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: like you know, my homegirl Venom, she had a good

588
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: relationship with them as well. So we all just had

589
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: a had a relationship, you know, And that's how all

590
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: of those dots ended up connecting.

591
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Okay, how was it working with Wendy Williams? Oh?

592
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: Best best and worst time in my life? You know,

593
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: best and worst, best and worst time in my life,

594
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: just because like Wendy come from it, she comes from

595
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: a different era, you know, Like there's been time I remember,

596
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: I remember sitting in the studio offering some input and

597
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up and do it my way or

598
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: get the fuck out, you know what I mean, shut that.

599
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to H shit from you, motherfucker.

600
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: Like so it was like it was like before H.

601
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: Well nowadays HR terrified.

602
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: I think about that shit all the time, Like when's

603
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: their HR departments? Back then?

604
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: It couldn't have been not the ship we know.

605
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: I think. Also when you're young, I don't think anyone

606
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: really knows how to use HR. I mean, I could

607
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: be wrong with today's culture of cancel culture like people

608
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: are like more, but I remember being like sexually her,

609
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: like all types of things because I did not know

610
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: how HR worked. I just knew I needed my job

611
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: and I wasn't willing to do anything to jeopardize.

612
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: And that's you know, back then, it was like, you know,

613
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: I had I was. I had personal relationship with them, man,

614
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: professional relationship with them, and you saw how everything turned

615
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: out with you know, her and her husband. So it

616
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: was like all of that was a very tumultuous, tumultuous,

617
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm saying the word right, tumultualists, tumultuous, tumultuous,

618
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: A fucked.

619
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: Up situation it was. It was all fun. It was

620
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: a very fucking up situation.

621
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: Like that too. Also, it is like because the lines

622
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: were blurred, right, so that's why she was talking. So

623
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: what was the highlight of it?

624
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: Just working with Wendy, working with one of the greatest

625
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: media personalities of all time. You know, regardless of what

626
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: her you know, personal showcomings may have been, professionally, she's

627
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: one of the fucking best to ever do it. You know,

628
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: from TV to radio, like I mean the things that

629
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: I used to watch her do, as far as like

630
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, show prep, like you know, Wendy was a

631
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: person who really lived. She lived, you know, the culture

632
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: that she spoke about. She wasn't one of those people

633
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: who got in front of the microphone and gossiped because

634
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, she was performing.

635
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: That's really who she was.

636
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: And so for me, it was just that's not I mean,

637
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to do the gossip thing, but it

638
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: was just like be authentic, be who you are. Like

639
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: I would see I would be with her all day

640
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: and then come sit with her in that studio and

641
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: do the show and watch her detail our day. You

642
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying. So it's just like everything was

643
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: content for her. I was in the store and this happened,

644
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: we were driving and this, Like it was all content.

645
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: And so it's like for me, that's like that's how

646
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: that's always been my approach, you know, like your life,

647
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: your life is your best content. That's why I'm able

648
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: to write three books because I'm not performing. I'm literally

649
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: just showcasing and sharing all of these different things that

650
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, I've experienced, all these different things that I've learned,

651
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: and I'm not afraid to be transparent, Like I gotta

652
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: be afraid to be transparent. When I've heard Wendy Williams

653
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: talk about being on crack smoking, smoking sniff and coke cooking,

654
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: the coke smoking, the crack, throwing up on the radiator

655
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: because she was so high, and then the fucking radiator cooking,

656
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: the cooking, the throw up.

657
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: Like, but that's that's a surreal It's an amazing story.

658
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: So if I come from being next to that, why

659
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't I be just as authentic? Plus we hip hop. Yeah,

660
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: so think about all the stories we've heard, the jay

661
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: Z's tell and the Big East Tell and the Scarfaces

662
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: and the killing Mike, all of these people that we love.

663
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: So it's just like, I want to be that same

664
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: type of storyteller.

665
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: So was it in that moment that you realize that

666
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: authenticity was the key to success in radio?

667
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I knew that. But I knew that before

668
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Wendy because I was already admiring people like Wendy.

669
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: I was already admiring pe D Green.

670
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Pe D Green is that's my all time favorite radio personality, right,

671
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: So I already knew authenticity was what separated you. Period. Like,

672
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: it's ironic that the name of this book is called

673
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: Get Honest or Die Lying, because that could have been

674
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: the name of my first book. Because literally, I've always

675
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: my daddy used to always tell me when you lying

676
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: to people, or he was used to say, specifically him,

677
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: you lying. You think you're lying to me, but you're

678
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: only lying to yourself. And so I never ever wanted

679
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: to be that person that is, you know, lying to themselves,

680
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: because what happens is you end up volunteering those lives

681
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: to other people. And I think that's what's happening in

682
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 2: this era that we're in now in social media, like

683
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, just everybody feel like they got to perform,

684
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: So who's really truly being themselves? Everybody's showing up with

685
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: a mask on?

686
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, social but you know what it's you talk You

687
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: mentioned Larussell, but I thought l Russell did a really

688
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: good job at kind of putting the case and I

689
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: talked him about and I'm like, yo, I can't be

690
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: that transparent. He's like, you got to you know, I

691
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: don't know, he'd be showing like, Okay, this was the

692
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: sales or this is me pressing up the show. He

693
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: would show everything, just document everything, and I thought that

694
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: was like a crazy amount of transparency. I was like,

695
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I could never ever do that.

696
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: I love that dude.

697
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: Man. L Russell was introduced to me by my late

698
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: great friend Hovain, and I never forget it because Hovain

699
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: he sent me a video of Lrussell rapping and Larussell

700
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: it was like the first one. It was the one

701
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: that went crazy viral. Well, he was rapping about so

702
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: many things, the socially redeeming value, he was rapping about

703
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: being a young brother, trying to heal. Like it was

704
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: everything I was on and so Hovain sent it to

705
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: me and I didn't get a chance to listen to it.

706
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: I remember a couple of days later, Vain text me like,

707
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: there's no way you listened to that, because you know me.

708
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: He was like, there's no way you listened to that,

709
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, let me let

710
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: me listen to it. When he text me that, I

711
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: listened and I'm like, why are you just telling me

712
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: about him? He's like, I sent you this three days ago,

713
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: crazy right, And so it was like immediately I had

714
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: to repost it because I wanted the world to hear that,

715
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: and then you know when you meet l Russell, his

716
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: energy is just just everything man. So he's just one

717
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: of them young brothers. He always got my support just

718
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: because he's a He's a solid, solid human being who

719
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: I think is delivering a message not just of independence

720
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: when it comes to business, but a message of healing

721
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of brothers need to heal.

722
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Integrity is like definitely like a word I use

723
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot, and when I'm looking for entrepreneurs, celebrities or influencers,

724
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for that level of integrity. And I

725
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: remember just being like, okay, like talented, definitely talented and

726
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: all that, but I was like I want to know,

727
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: like if we're a fly on your wall, like what

728
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: am I seeing?

729
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: For real? But that's what integrity is. And that's that's

730
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: another part of the book, right get Honest to Die line.

731
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: That's why I said, like, you know, we tell we

732
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: lie to ourselves and then we volunteer these lives the

733
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: other people. Integrity to me is doing what's right when

734
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: nobody's around. Who are you when the camera's not on?

735
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: Who are you when the microphone isn't on? Like because

736
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: I really care more about God than anybody. That's why

737
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: you don't care about perception. You should focus on your

738
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: character because perception is what everybody thinks about you, and

739
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: that varies from person to person. Character is who you

740
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: actually are. So I care about my character. I don't

741
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: care if the world has a perception of me because

742
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: they don't know me, you know. And that's why people

743
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: will say things like, what's the biggest misconception about you? Charlman?

744
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: There is no misconception because I don't know what version

745
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: of me you saw. I've been doing this shit for

746
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty six years, you know what I mean. I don't

747
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: know what version of me you saw. So whatever version

748
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: of me you saw, whatever perception you have of me

749
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: based off what you saw, I can't trip off that,

750
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: you know.

751
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: No, Now, after the Wendy Williams, you leave Wendy Williams.

752
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: How long was the gap between Wendy Williams and the

753
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club?

754
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: I left Wendy November tewod, two thousand and eight.

755
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: No, you remember this well.

756
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: I remember it for a particular reason. I remember it

757
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: because President Barack Obama became He became President elect on

758
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: November third, two thousand and eight. So and I got

759
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: fired November second, two thousand and eight from Wendy, but

760
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: like twenty five people got fired like it was a

761
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: massive layoff. People forget how fucked up the economy was

762
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. So it wasn't just me

763
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: that got fired. You had great legendary radio personality like Bond,

764
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: Harper got fired and Champagne like these are legendary urban

765
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: adult contemporary personality.

766
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: When you got fired, did you actually look at it

767
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: as everyone's getting the rap? Because I know me, I'll

768
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: be like, I know everyone's going through it, but what

769
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: about well, you know.

770
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: It was good for me because when I got fired,

771
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: it was news like it was in like the New

772
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: York Times and like I think it was pix eleven

773
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: or one of these local New York radio stations came

774
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: to interview me and Wendy about my firing. I remember

775
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: them saying fan favorite, and I was like, oh shit,

776
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: fan favorite, because you got to think when I first

777
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: started with Wendy, they hated me, like literally, New York

778
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: City did not fuck with me. Like they even put

779
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: up a survey that said they said, shar Charlamae sent

780
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: back home. It was like eighty five percent of people

781
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: was like sending his ass back home.

782
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel when you saw those surveys?

783
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: It didn't make me feel any way. Like I promise you, man,

784
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: I've never been that kind of person. Like I just

785
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: I understand things happen, and I have such a belief

786
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: in myself, and I have such a belief in God,

787
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: and I have such a belief in what you know,

788
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: what God has me here to do that I just

789
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: feel like all of that I knew even back then,

790
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: even though it might have stung, I just knew it

791
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: was part of the process. Like I knew I was

792
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: not going to lose. I constantly hear jay z voice

793
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: in my head. I will not lose, you know. I

794
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: just I knew that I was not going to lose.

795
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: And so it's like, all right, I'll get y'all. You

796
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: might you may not like me now, but I'll get y'all.

797
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: And fast forward two and a half years later, the

798
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: news is reporting I'm a fan favorite, and guess what

799
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: me working at Wendy. I did what I was supposed

800
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: to do at Wendy so much that I ended up

801
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: getting my own radio show in Philadelphia and I loved

802
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: it right because I got fired November second, two thousand

803
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: and eight. My oldest daughter, who actually turned sixteen today

804
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: or the day we're taping this, she had been born

805
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: June of that year. So from November two thousand and

806
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: eight to like May of two thousand and nine, I

807
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: was home every day with my daughter because my wife

808
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: was the one going to work every day. My wife

809
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: was keeping the lights on. I was too proud to

810
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: go collect unemployment. I had no money.

811
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: You didn't even collect collect.

812
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: I didn't collet unmployment til I got fired from Philadelphia.

813
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: From my fourth time.

814
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I love that's your wife, and you definitely had that

815
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: team environment like ones down. Well it's okay, we're gonna run.

816
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: It, man. She held it down, you know. I mean,

817
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean we ultimately had we were facing the victions

818
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: and all types of stuff like that, but she held

819
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: it down. And so it's like when I started off,

820
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: I started doing radio and Philly. I got the morning

821
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: radio show in Philly because of what I had done

822
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: on Wendy Show, and then from morning radio that morning

823
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: radio and in Philly even though I was only there for

824
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: eight nine months and got fired right for the same

825
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: reason they bought in a new program director guy named

826
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: Boogie Dee you know who fired me from one hundred

827
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: point three to beat in Philly. They need to be

828
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: aware of their fuck ups. These people need to be

829
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: aware of the mistakes they made in life. So he

830
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: fired me, and I was We went home for a year,

831
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: me and my wife and my oldest daughter and went home.

832
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: He went home to South Carolina for a year. That's

833
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: when I started collecting unemployment. I had never collected unemployment

834
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: from any of those four radio stations I got fired.

835
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: So I was getting like eleven hundred dollars a week

836
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: for like fifty two weeks the whole year. And the

837
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: last unemployment check I got was like November, like second

838
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: week in November, And that was the same week I

839
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: think I started breakfast club. Wow, yep wow.

840
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: And then you come to breakfast club and this is

841
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like you could correct me. Is this this

842
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: the highest salary of your career? Because now you're what

843
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: you said in your book one and now look at you.

844
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I also, you know, I had to like just out

845
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: of share curiosity, and he made one hundred and twenty

846
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: five k then like and then to see I googled

847
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it is probably wrong, but I was like, okay, so

848
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: then how much does he make now from the breakfast club?

849
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: I think I said like three million or something like that. Wow,

850
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: is a lie? Is it Google?

851
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: A lie? I don't know.

852
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: I wont from and I have no idea. I'm not

853
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm not one of those guys.

854
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why I googled it. I was just random.

855
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: I get curious all the most random stuff. Okay, so

856
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: you're at the breakfast club. Where does publishing take place,

857
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: like the book writing? Where does that like happen? Because

858
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: I know the first time I read Black Privilege had

859
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: to been Was it seven year? No?

860
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it came out, it came out, it came out

861
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. No, it came out twenty seventeen, came out

862
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, came out April of twenty seventeen.

863
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: I read that book. It's so funny. The only other

864
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Speaker 1: books I've ever read by entertainers mainly Jay Z Russell Simmons,

865
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: and I read your book and it inspired me to

866
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: read I think Kevin Hart's book, and then I realized, no,

867
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: not everyone's the same. I really like your writing.

868
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 3: Thank you, I really like it. I mean, I actually write.

869
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: You know, my guy Chris Morrow, who I always give

870
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: credit to because you know, he told me two things

871
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: that absolutely changed my life. He told me twelve years ago,

872
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: you need to write a book, and you need to

873
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: start a podcast. And I always wanted to write a

874
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: book because I'm a writer, right, I knew that was

875
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: gonna come. But I was like a podcast. I was like,

876
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: why would I start a podcast? Podcast for people who

877
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: can't get on radio? Oh, I remember saying that twelve yeah,

878
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: twelve years ago even, and he was like, he was like,

879
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: now I'm telling you man, it's gonna be the next wave. YadA, YadA, YadA.

880
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: And I started listening to Combat Jack around that time,

881
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: God Bless the Dead Reggie Oshe and so I listened.

882
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, why not?

883
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: Because in my mind, I'm like, I already been fired,

884
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, four times from radio. And the thing that

885
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: kept me afloating in people's minds after I got fired

886
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: from Philadelphia was I got to salute Angelie going up

887
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: to her satellite radio show doing guest spots on there,

888
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: and me and Little Duball used to do a YouTube

889
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: show called Hood State of the Union Me and Little

890
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Duball was doing YouTube shows back in two thousands, and

891
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: it was first brand new exactly, and like people would

892
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: watch them on YouTube, but then the Bloggs would pick

893
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: them up like world Star and everybody else.

894
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: And so that's how I ended up.

895
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Even getting my first looks in TV, like my first

896
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: real looks in TV, because Nick Cannon had a show

897
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: called a Hayton that he was the executive producer on,

898
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: and my girl Tiffany Williams, she put me in Douball

899
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: on that show. So I've always understood the power of

900
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: the Internet, right and how to utilize the Internet to

901
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: build a national audience. So that's why I started the

902
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: podcast because I knew, all right, let's just say I

903
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: do get fired from Breakfast Club, at least I have

904
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: something else, you know, going on. So me and my

905
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: guy Andrew Schultz, who now is the biggest comedian in

906
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: the world, which I would have.

907
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: No idea how impressed a journey.

908
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: I used to go back and listen to old brid

909
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: Idiots episodes.

910
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: I used to say that I'm like yo, Andrews shot

911
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: to get that because there was a comedian named Russell

912
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: uh Russell Peters and he was like the biggest touring

913
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: comedian in the world, but people didn't even really realize it.

914
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: And I used to always say, Andrew, you're gonna be that,

915
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the biggest touring comedian in the world, like, and.

916
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: That's what he's doing now.

917
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: But back then I just thought he was smart, funny

918
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: because we used to do guy code together and we

919
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: used to talk on the phone. And I remember one

920
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: time we we we all ended up on a plane

921
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: the LA for the MTV Awards or something like that.

922
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: We all rolled in the car together, me and him

923
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: and Melanie Igalacias, and we like me and Andrew has

924
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: been cool since then.

925
00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: You know, when did you actually say Okay, yes, I'm

926
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: gonna do book publishing and then with that you ended

927
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: up doing your own you published it yourself.

928
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: Well, no, I put out A Black Privilege with Simon

929
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: and Schuston. Black Privilege had tremendous success, you know, instant bestseller,

930
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: New York Times national bestseller. It was on New York

931
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: Times Bestsellers this for like twenty plus weeks. And so

932
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: they came to me and they wanted me to do

933
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: another book. Immediately, I had started therapy in twenty sixteen. So, Man,

934
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: in the middle of twenty seventeen, late twenty eighteen, I

935
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: was in a total different mind state because I was

936
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 2: unlearning so many things that I had learned throughout my life,

937
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: and I was dealing with a lot of the traumas

938
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: that I had never ever, you know, dealt with before.

939
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: So I was really in a confused state. And so

940
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: when twenty eighteen came around and they kept pressing me

941
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: for this book, pressing me for this book, I was like, look, man,

942
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: I've been going to therapy. I can share some of

943
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: the journey of that. I can share some of the

944
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: things that you know, I go there and talk about.

945
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: And that's what I did. And then my book agent,

946
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: Jan Miller, had the idea to add my man doctor

947
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: ish major, who gave the clinical correlations to the things

948
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: that I was saying. Like, if you go back and

949
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: you listen to Shook one or read Shook one, you'll

950
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: you'll hear how raw that was, You'll hear you know,

951
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: the mind state that I was in, you know, at

952
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: that time. And then when it came time to do

953
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: my third book, because you know, Hick One was a

954
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: success as well, another bestseller, I was like, yo, I

955
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: don't even want like a big advance, Like I'm not

956
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: looking for like a huge amount of money, because you know,

957
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: every time you put out a book, you know, you

958
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: have success, advances get bigger. I was like, yo, just

959
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: give me, you know, give me what y'all gave me

960
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: for the last one. But I really want to imprint.

961
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I really want to be able to publish other people's.

962
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's how the privileged publishing.

963
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: It literally was like that because you know, for me,

964
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: man like I always say, if whatever your if whatever,

965
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 2: your build thing only benefits you, it's not big enough.

966
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: So I was just like, yo, let me get an imprint.

967
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, all I can say is no, right,

968
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: And it was like, hell, yeah, let's do it.

969
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Did with the Black Effect podcast network, Yeah, did you

970
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: do the same thing.

971
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Black Effect was essentially the same thing, because a

972
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: little bit different, only because you know, with radio you

973
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: have contracts and so you know, five years five years

974
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: is like the max deal and I had did a

975
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: couple of five year deals already. Yeah, I did a

976
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: couple of five years. I was up. Yeah, so when

977
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty came, my five years was up. So you know,

978
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: we were in negotiations, and you know the beauty and

979
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: I give, I give a little jewel because it'll never

980
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: happen again, but I'll give a little jewel. I come

981
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: from the era of radio where all of these new

982
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: things that we were doing weren't in our contracts, meaning

983
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: like I had a radio contract, so the only you know, entities,

984
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't have conversations with his other radio stations.

985
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: With the world changed, So.

986
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: Now we're doing We've been doing Brand Idiots podcasts for

987
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: eight nine years at that time, right, and there's all

988
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: of these different platforms, the apples and the Spotify's, and

989
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: all of these different people are looking for content, and

990
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, Charlamagne's contract is up right, are coming up?

991
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: So you know, you had different people, you know, reaching

992
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: out to my agents whoever else. And I always had

993
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: this idea because I was looking at just the landscape

994
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: of podcasting and I'm like, man, you know, you got

995
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Barstool over here, and you got gimblet over here, and

996
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, I was already a part owner of the

997
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: Loud Speaking Network with my man Chris Morrow and Combat Jack.

998
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: But I felt like there was no house for black

999
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: podcasts like you had all of these black podcasts that

1000
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: were scattered all over the place, and they had audiences,

1001
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: but they might not have been connecting that audience with

1002
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: the ad revenue dollars.

1003
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: I was just like, Yo, let's I want to launch

1004
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: a podcast network.

1005
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: I want to start my own you know, podcast network

1006
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: called The Black Effect. And it didn't make any sense,

1007
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, to go anywhere else. You know, even though

1008
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: even though I had conversations, even though even though there

1009
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: was other conversations had iHeart is the biggest audio publishing

1010
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, company in the world. So when I presented

1011
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: my vision the iHeart of what I wanted.

1012
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: To do, they were all in.

1013
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: And so I'm a fifty one percent majority owner of

1014
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: The Black Effect. This isn't a this isn't a vanity label.

1015
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: This isn't something you know, Hey, let's just give him

1016
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: something and put his name on it. Which, by the way,

1017
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: and I want to say this, a lot of those

1018
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: other companies, that's what they were trying to do. So

1019
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: a lot of those other companies. I never told him,

1020
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: like what I wanted to name and stuff like that.

1021
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: I just, you know, my agent told them what the

1022
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: idea was. And a lot of those other companies wanted

1023
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: to do things like that, but they didn't want to

1024
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: give me no real ownership. They didn't want to give

1025
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: me no real equity. So I could have went other

1026
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: places and got like a big ass check and had

1027
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: a vanity podcast network, but I would have to run

1028
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: everything by them, and they would have to have first

1029
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: rider refusal on what I could bring in, Like I

1030
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: couldn't be like, yo, let's bring in eating while broke.

1031
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: They'd be like, well, who is by the way, shout

1032
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: out to you for that? I will. I want to

1033
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: say such on a couple of things before we wrapt. Secretly, No,

1034
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm secretly scared of the time because your team is

1035
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: like assured me that I beat over. One thing I

1036
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out to you, is I did I

1037
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, I previously did come from the Nick can

1038
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I worked with Nick Cannon for like ten plus years

1039
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: as a partner and another company. And one of the

1040
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: things that I'm not hopefully just scratches, but one of

1041
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: the things I noticed with being in the industry is

1042
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: male dominated. One of the things I love about working

1043
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: with the Black Effect Network is that not only is

1044
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: it women of color that pretty much run it. I

1045
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: don't even know if there's men over there.

1046
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: There probably is, but male producers like a king.

1047
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: You're right, my producer is a male. But I'm saying

1048
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: like the the women are like really running it and

1049
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: holding it down. And it's like you could pick up

1050
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: the phone. I mean, if I say anything crazy, Dolly

1051
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: will call me in three seconds, dang even and I

1052
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: immediately know I'm in trouble. But I love how it is.

1053
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: But I also love like I always ask people like

1054
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: the transparency, So how's how is he really? You know,

1055
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: and you take good care of them, and you don't

1056
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: see that a lot in the industry. I've seen more

1057
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: of the opposite, where the men get the checks and

1058
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: the women do the work and then the women don't

1059
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: get paid and then it's just like eventually they die off.

1060
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: Man, I don't Black Effect is successful because of Dolly Bishop,

1061
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: And you know I knew that.

1062
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: It's like, man, God tells me things.

1063
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: It's like I always do because Dolly's you know, a

1064
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 2: family friend like Dolly, that's my homie before it's anything else,

1065
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: and so I always do. Like Rock Nation is like

1066
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: a lot of my blueprint. And if you go to

1067
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: rock nation. It's the same thing. Like you know, Daz

1068
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: is in charge, right there is the president, a woman,

1069
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of other women in position of

1070
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: power as well. And you know, I just always think

1071
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: I always thought that was so dope because like, women

1072
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: get things done, they really do. I just did, especially

1073
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: black women, women of color, they get things done. And

1074
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: so it's like I always knew I'm gonna start this

1075
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: entity and I want Dolly to run it, like I

1076
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: always knew that.

1077
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: Side note, So Dolly during the pandemic, I was doing

1078
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff because my company had shut down.

1079
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: And anyways, Dolly had called me and she said, hey,

1080
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about getting taken this job or whatever. I'm

1081
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: not too sure. I didn't ask her what it was.

1082
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, girl, if you don't have to

1083
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: punch a clock, you get a check. They don't like

1084
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: watch you every day. What are we even discussing, Like

1085
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the end times, Like take

1086
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a check, you know. And for whatever reason, did not

1087
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: think to ask what the job was. You know, whil'n

1088
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: out niked pissed off the world with the jew comments,

1089
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: nobody knew what the heck was going on. I did

1090
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: not think to ask, so then I don't ask. I

1091
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: just like take the job, Like what do we discussed Dolly?

1092
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: You I've seen Dolly play every hat and she's she's

1093
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: very skilled at you don't have to worry about her integrity.

1094
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: She's gonna get the job done whatever whatever reason she

1095
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: questioned it. So anyways, I'm trying to do eating while broke.

1096
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: On the side, I like pitch my friends, like you know,

1097
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: all celebrity friends, like yo, I need you to take

1098
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: one for the team. And on one of the texts,

1099
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: I had said something about like Dolly and then one

1100
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: of them was like Dolly, and I guess in Variety

1101
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: they had just announced that she was like the president

1102
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: of the Black I had no idea, right, so I

1103
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: get the text and I'm like, yo, Dolly, Yo, I

1104
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: need to use her name more, and she's like what

1105
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: are you talking about? She I was like yo, and

1106
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: I sent her like the Variety thing like is this

1107
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: the job?

1108
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like what.

1109
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and she was like, and don't

1110
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: use my name everywhere and I was like I'm definitely

1111
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: using your name everywhere. And then true story, people always

1112
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: ask how I ended up on the Black Effect. I

1113
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: had been telling Dolly about eating while broke, so then

1114
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: I get a call one day She's like, you're gonna

1115
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: kill me. Why would I want to kill you. She's like, oh,

1116
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: you're gon be so mad at me. Oh in my head,

1117
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm like no. And I had told her like when

1118
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: I do eating while broke, like you gotta like we

1119
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: gotta put all our hats, all our names, and everyone's

1120
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: contacts have to come together, which, by the way, Dolly

1121
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: does not like to do. I didn't know that until now.

1122
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: But anyway, she calls me, she's like, so I was

1123
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: on the phone with Iheartic all you guys, and I

1124
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: pitched Eating while broke and I was like, okay, well,

1125
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: what's the bad thing? She was like, they loved it

1126
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: and like Charlotte wants to show. And I was like, okay,

1127
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: what is the bad news? She's like, what's the podcast?

1128
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I said, I don't care. We need distribution, girl, I'll

1129
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: take it, Like what do they need from me? And

1130
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: my in my garage was like the eating while broke table, Like,

1131
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: I mean my neighbors were driving past me like what

1132
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: is this girl up to?

1133
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: You know?

1134
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: And I always tell people like God like somehow aligned

1135
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: it because my plan for it was so like minute

1136
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, accidentally by the share like accident,

1137
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: you guys end up in this call and everything happened,

1138
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: and I think it was beautiful. And every time I

1139
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: see you, I always try to make sure you know,

1140
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: like you know that I appreciate you took a chance

1141
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: on And I remember Dolly coming out to LA like,

1142
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: we've never seen you in front of the camera, so

1143
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna watch you do it. And then

1144
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: she saw me and she was like, this is you.

1145
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: This is I was like what. But uh, I hate

1146
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: talking about politics because I have my own insecurities. But

1147
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: recently in LA I did interview a congressman and I

1148
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: just kind of just was like very transparent about, uh,

1149
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: how much I don't know about politics. It's not something

1150
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 1: I like to argue about because I don't know enough facts.

1151
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't like to vote because I don't know enough facts.

1152
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I learned in that

1153
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: interview is I was talking to my dad and he

1154
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: had said something about like how he got all this

1155
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: money for like against like you know, the imprison the

1156
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: jail system or whatever. My dad had said something like, yeah,

1157
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: but how did he spend how is he spending the money?

1158
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: And I just didn't think to ask that question. And

1159
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, after that interview, after like getting

1160
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: that close in person with a congress person and seeing

1161
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: like who they are and how they got to where

1162
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: they're at, what I'm learning at politics and is that

1163
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: government and politics they're they're not necessarily together.

1164
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: Well, it depends.

1165
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you have I think people forget

1166
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: that there's local politics and there's national politics. And I

1167
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: think most of the time, most of the time, what's happening

1168
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, locally may not be happening nationally. There's a

1169
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: lot of things that I see happening, you know, locally,

1170
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: places that I wish were you know, happening nationally. Like

1171
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: you know, right now, you look at Maryland and you

1172
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: look at you know what Wes Moore just did, you know,

1173
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: by pardoning I think one hundred and seventy five thousand

1174
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: people from misdemeanor marijuana convictions. Now, I think that's a

1175
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: great start. I think that you know, they could go further.

1176
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: I think that they should pardon if you know, if

1177
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: you're in prison right now, in a state where marijuana

1178
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: is legal and you're in there for a non violent

1179
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: drug offense, I think you should be pardoned, and I

1180
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: think your record should be exponged.

1181
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: But I think what is doing as a great start.

1182
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: But I wish that that was the model for nationally

1183
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 2: because President Biden could do that, and for a person

1184
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: like President Biden, you know, who was hands on with

1185
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: the eighty six mandatory minimum centizen, who was hands on

1186
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: with the eighty eight crack laws, who was hands on

1187
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: with the ninety four crime bill, that would be a

1188
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: good way to atone, you know, for some of those

1189
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: for some of that legislation that you created that put

1190
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: so many black and brown people away.

1191
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: You could with a wave, with a stroke of a pen.

1192
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: You don't need nobody else but you to say, if

1193
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: you're a non violent drug offender in prison, you should

1194
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: be pardoned, and I think your record should be expunged,

1195
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: especially you know marijuana.

1196
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And then I remember when marijuana became illegal,

1197
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: it was like anyone that had those those that record

1198
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even get into the wee business. My dad was

1199
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: like very upset, like could you imagine, like you perfected

1200
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 1: this career you've spent ten years and now you can't

1201
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: even get the life.

1202
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 3: That's right, That's right. I got a license.

1203
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a dispensary opening in a new New

1204
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: Jersey called Hashtoria. It'll we open this ship. You know.

1205
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: It's myself, Ray Con the chef, Bakari Sellers and Jed

1206
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: and Josh are are two partners who run Hashtoria. So

1207
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: we got a dispensary open and know we got a

1208
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: dispensary and consumption lone.

1209
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: For people that sorry to cut you off on that.

1210
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: For people that don't know that much about politics and

1211
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: are starting to think about voting, what are the questions

1212
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: that you feel they should be asking like politicians are

1213
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: looking for in politicians.

1214
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: I tell everybody vote their interests. Like you know, it's

1215
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: not hard what people are looking for. I don't care

1216
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: if you're black. I don't care if you're white. I

1217
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: don't care what your gender is, I don't care what

1218
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: your sexuality is. Everybody wants money in safety. Life is about,

1219
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, doing something that's going to put you in

1220
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: a financial position to create some up with mobility, and

1221
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: we just all want to feel safe. So I think

1222
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: that you should look you know, to the elected officials

1223
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: who are creating policies, who are creating legislation, that's putting

1224
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: money in people pocket and that's making people safe. Like

1225
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: it's really not that hard, it's not that difficult. And

1226
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: when you find that person that is doing those things,

1227
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: both on them.

1228
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think I like that advice. But I

1229
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: also I think in the past year, I don't trust

1230
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: as many people. I don't blame you, and I'm more like,

1231
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: even if I were to date now, I'm like, what's

1232
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: your resume looking like, give me the X numbers? Like

1233
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't give it anymore. If you can't give me

1234
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: an X number and they say this is then I

1235
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: don't want to do it anymore.

1236
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 3: You getting references.

1237
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't started dating again yet, but yeah, my

1238
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: husband got fired or he's getting fired anyways. But yeah,

1239
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: I think like even with Kamala Harris, I heard like

1240
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: she was a district attorney that like put a lot

1241
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: of people away in her previous Like I'm looking at

1242
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: all references, but do you think that matters or no?

1243
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: I mean that one was interesting because she was a

1244
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: DA doing her job, you know, And I mean that's

1245
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: what the laws were you know at that time, you know,

1246
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I've definitely seen her pivot, you know, on

1247
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: her stance in regards to marijuana. But that's why I

1248
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: think people like her, just like people like President Biden,

1249
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: should be advocating heavily and not just advocating. They should

1250
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: be doing pardon everybody in America on a federal level

1251
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 2: who has a non violent drug offense, especially for marijuana.

1252
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: They have the power to do that.

1253
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: They have the power to do it. And why do

1254
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: you think they're not doing it? Then?

1255
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, nobody's pushing them politically, but that

1256
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: would be an amazing thing for both of them to

1257
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: do because both of them have those reputations, both of

1258
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: them have you know, those type of records. So it's like, yo,

1259
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: do that say that, Hey, y'all, you're changing with the times. Know,

1260
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: just you noticed legislation that y'all that that was created

1261
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: hurt a lot of people back then. So it's just

1262
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: like that is the way you atone, you know, for

1263
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: things like that. So I've been saying, I think that

1264
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: would be one of the most fantastic political strategies that

1265
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: they could do right now, you know, like during especially

1266
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: during an election. Yet like all of this, all of

1267
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: this right now is dream selling season. Everybody's pandering. Everybody's saying,

1268
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what's so crazy. Right You're in

1269
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: the White House, so you have power that your you know, opponent,

1270
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: Donald Trump does not have, So you can actually do things.

1271
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: He can only talk about the things he wants to do. So, yes,

1272
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: it is dream selling season. Yes, they are pandering to

1273
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: us for our vote. And I mean those are the

1274
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: things that I think that we should push for them

1275
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: to do because I can you imagine that headline. Imagine

1276
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: you opened up your phone and you looked on you know,

1277
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: Shade Room or whatever whatever it is, you know, and

1278
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: or just anything, and it said it said President Biden

1279
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: pardons all non violent drug offenders effective immediately or whatever

1280
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: it is. Like whoa you know that.

1281
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: Would that would get and vote? Okay, it rile everybody up,

1282
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: All right, Well, what what more can you share with

1283
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: us in regards to get honest or die line? We

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Speaker 1: haven't already covered.

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Speaker 2: It's just a book that I want everybody to read

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Speaker 2: because I want to challenge everybody to be the most

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Speaker 2: honest version of themselves possible. We have to stop lying

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Speaker 2: on ourselves, and we have to stop volunteering those lives

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Speaker 2: to other people. You know. The subtitle is why small

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: talk sucks because I hate micro conversations. I think we

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Speaker 2: got to, you know, find a way to start having

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Speaker 2: big conversations. I think that we have too much, you know,

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: unnecessary small talk, and I think that we put small

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Speaker 2: talk and the big talk on the same scale, so

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Speaker 2: it feels like everything weighs the same when they don't, right,

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Speaker 2: they don't. And we don't know how to even have,

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Speaker 2: you know, big conversations. We genuinely do not have. We

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: don't even know how to discuss big conversations, and that's

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Speaker 2: why America can't ever truly solve no problems. You ask

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Speaker 2: me why, you know, President Biden doesn't, you know, due

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Speaker 2: to non violent pardon the non violent drug offenders, Because

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Speaker 2: nobody's really really having that conversation on a big, big

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01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: level like they should. You know, they rather talk about

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: transgenders and sports like that ain't affecting nobody's life like

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: God blessed them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But it's definitely like that whome it's a media. In

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Speaker 1: your book, you even talked about like how they trade

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: the like this Trump did it like to distract the people.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. And so it's just like your

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Speaker 2: people like we just don't know how to discuss what

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Speaker 2: we should be talking about.

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Speaker 3: We make minors majors now.

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Speaker 1: Random question, do you think the algorithms play a role

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Speaker 1: in dumbing us down?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? That's why I hate algorithms. That's why

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Speaker 2: you have to disconnect. Like I tell people all the time,

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Speaker 2: don't be a don't be a surf will be a

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Speaker 2: wave because surfers have to ride waves the algorithm depending.

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: We all ride the wave of whatever algorithm is presented

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Speaker 2: to us instead of actually being our own waves. And

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Speaker 2: you know, figuring out, man, what is what is it

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: I should actually be thinking about in regards to this situation,

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: or should I even be thinking about this situation at all?

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 2: Think about things that come across your timeline every day

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01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: that you wasn't even thinking about, but now you can't

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Speaker 2: get it off your motherbucker mind just because they came

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Speaker 2: across your timeline. And guess what, it really don't even matter.

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Speaker 2: It's something so small and so trivial, But you'll say

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Speaker 2: I saw it, I saw them. They were arguing a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago about are you safeer around a

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Speaker 2: man or a bear? And I mean and people having

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Speaker 2: in depth conversations about this shit on park and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: where the fuck did this even come from? Why is

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Speaker 2: this a thing? It's like, are you safe for around

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Speaker 2: a man or a bear? How about we have conversations

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Speaker 2: about how.

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Speaker 1: These conversations blow up because everyone's so obsessed with viral

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Speaker 1: moments and getting the hashtag to get these these numbers up,

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Speaker 1: It's become it's like a chicken in the egg situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't be honest with you. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what makes these things go viral.

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Speaker 2: I just know that we have to at the end

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Speaker 2: of the chapter, every chapter, I say lesson discussion because

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Speaker 2: we got to start focusing on macros instead of micros,

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Speaker 2: Like why are we having conversations about women?

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Speaker 3: What are you safe for around a man or a bear?

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Speaker 2: How about we just have conversations about how to make

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Speaker 2: women safe period? What the fuck bear has got to

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Speaker 2: do with it? It's just it's just silly to me.

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: So it's just like, yeah, I want to just get

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Speaker 2: us focused on.

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Speaker 1: Just the macs real discussions.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: Gets to the real facts and keeping it honest.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So please go get it.

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: Get honest a dieline while small talk sucks, available everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Uh, check out some of your other books if you

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: really want to in depth conversation on Who's Charlemane? And

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01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: is this hour definitely isn't gonna cut it the way

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Speaker 1: I would like it. I love that. And one last thing,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this and I told Jordan back

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Speaker 1: then I was thinking about doing this. I'm actually thinking

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Speaker 1: about hugging a tree. I'm that desperate right now.

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Speaker 3: Read I Gotta I Gotta chapter in my book.

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Speaker 1: Read it. I read it. I already read it, and

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: it was like I was like, what five or six minutes?

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Speaker 1: You know the tree? He said, the New York trees

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: are different from the other trees. I'm still trying to

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Speaker 1: find the tree.

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Speaker 2: Chapter is called tree Hugged the block, Get connected with nature,

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Speaker 2: and we don't have to do another show for you.

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Speaker 2: It might have to be called like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to call it dating while desperate, because you're not desperate yet.

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Speaker 3: No, first you said you're desperate. Just now you said

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Speaker 3: you were desperate, desperate.

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Speaker 1: Desperate, for peace, peace, Oh damn fault. Just be clear

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Speaker 1: I'm single, because well I'm still married, and integrity wise,

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Speaker 1: this sounds really silly.

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01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: What about dating while marriage?

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Speaker 1: Integrity wise? I should do that integrity wise. I just

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01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: can't do it while I'm legally like in my head,

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Speaker 1: I'm like maried. And then even if you go on

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Speaker 1: a date, it's like, yeah, I'm married, but I'm separated

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go No.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people go to this. I was. I

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Speaker 2: just did Pastor Kean's conference last weekend. He has a

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Speaker 2: conference called The Crowd Conference, and him and Shannie were

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Speaker 2: on stage having this conversation. He felt the same way.

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Speaker 2: He felt the same exact way because he was separated.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he knew perception wise, dating somebody like

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Speaker 2: Shannie O'Neil, he didn't want people to look at her

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Speaker 2: away and say, oh, she's dating this married man. But

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Speaker 2: he was going through a separation, and so I don't

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,479
Speaker 2: if I if I'm fucking this stuff, I'm sorry passed

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01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: the keyon, But I thought I heard him say he

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01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: couldn't live like that. He still had to just he

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: had to go connect with he had to go connect

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Speaker 2: with Shanni you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Oh, wait, he couldn't live like what he he connected

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Speaker 1: with her? Why he was so married? No, No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they He obviously didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that he didn't let the fact

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Speaker 2: of everybody's perception.

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Speaker 1: It's not even about the person.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm getting that wrong.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not about the perception. I don't care because

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01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: my husband fully admits he's a he's a superhore. But

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Speaker 1: I'm it's not the perception at this point. Trust me,

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01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: He's done enough to blow up any type of secrecy.

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that integrity wise. I know in my

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: mind I made a commitment, right, So I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: let me just.

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01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: But you're going through a separation. If I'm not mistaking,

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: patter Keyon said he did want He wanted to wait

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: because he didn't want people to think that he was

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: that that that he was cheating on his wife and

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: Shawnie was messing up a happy home. If I'm getting

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: that wrong, I'm sorry, pator Keyon, but it sounds very

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: similar to me.

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Speaker 3: So I think we should.

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: Do dating while I'm married with Colleen and have her

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: in here interviewing potential candidates.

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh, that's hilarious right to this person, they said.

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: Because there's no better reference check than putting somebody out

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01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: there publicly, because not even like, oh no, I know

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: him going I dated him. Now that people will be

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01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 2: hitting you up. They can't hide hilarious dating while I

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: married Dolly.

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: No, no, let's not. But I will say the reason

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: why I want to hug the tree and stuff is

1434
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: because I do feel. And I was telling Jordan, it's

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: the older I get, the more I am driven towards

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: happiness or I mean peace over happiness. I could care

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: less about a high when I know the low can

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01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: come around the corner. I just give me a flat line.

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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: And I used to never be like that. So when

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01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: I saw the tree hugging, Dolly made me do grounded

1441
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: because I ran away to her house. At one point

1442
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: I short it and she was like, take off your shoes,

1443
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: go in the yard and walk in the grass. And

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Dolly, I'm saying I did it,

1445
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: but I'm like, maybe we could try a tree huggin.

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01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get into like meditating. Well I haven't started.

1447
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: I've been reading books about meditation. I'm that desperate to

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: do those things. Not day. I think I deserve a

1449
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: nice break of being single. But we can play the

1450
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: dating show if you want.

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 2: I like it.

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: You're hilarious. Thank you so much for your time. I bagged, borrowed, stealed,

1453
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: harassed your entire team to the point that Dolly called

1454
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: me and said, if you want shar just call me

1455
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: and asked me when you're ready. And I did it

1456
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: and she delivered, and I was literally like, oh, she

1457
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: did it.

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: Thank you first, I get to keep you get to

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01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: keep it all right.

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Speaker 4: Peace out, guys.

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect,

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