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Speaker 1: here we are welcome to the Bechtel cast or is

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Speaker 1: it the beck Dol Cats? So we're talking about cats

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the famously bad Tom Hooper joint, Tom Hooper,

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Speaker 1: don't listen to her. We liked it. This actually works

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Speaker 1: out great, Caitlin, because you've been waiting for a movie

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Speaker 1: like this to come along for so long. The cat facts,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean. I've never heard this before.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about But if I said something about the

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Speaker 1: same fact every time, that's the joke. She does the

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Speaker 1: this right, I would remember that. Okay, guys, I'm joking,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow, But yes, you're right, um. The

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Speaker 1: have eight nipples and that's cat facts with Caitlin. I

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Speaker 1: love to hear it. It's music to my ears. Um,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Longs, my name's Cats Cat Cat

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Speaker 1: have to be thrilled about that, but it's true. Um,

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Speaker 1: about the portrayal of women in film. Yes, for this episode,

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Speaker 1: it will be about the portrayal of female coded cats.

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Speaker 1: The cats gender each other. I mean we just have

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Speaker 1: don't see any junk to Jason Derulo's dismay. Klen I

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Speaker 1: He's jumping towards his role in Cats. Jason Derulo is

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Speaker 1: and that did not pass the Bechdel tests? But why

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Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, in

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Speaker 1: which two female identifying characters or cat ticktors. Now you're right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's internalized misogyny, but skimble Shanks

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Speaker 1: that accent, babe, Oh yeah, that song is actually not

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Speaker 1: what about her? That just means that she's been hanging

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00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: out with them for six hours and hasn't gotten killed.

417
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Like is that it? Also, do they hang out every day?

418
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Seem like they live together. Well, some some of the

419
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: jelical cats seem to be like street cats. But then

420
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: you've got Jenny any Dots, who like seems to live

421
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: in like a cushy life in a house. But then

422
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: she I think like she kind of has this double

423
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: life where sometimes she she ventures out is out is out?

424
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't an indoor outdoor cat. It seems

425
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: like Busta for Jones is kind of in and out

426
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: of homes as well. I don't know she's intruding or

427
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: if he's like just a row. Sometimes people just have

428
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: like a cat that isn't theirs, but it comes over.

429
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: My friend Martha has a cat that's not actually her cat,

430
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: but it hangs out in her house all the time.

431
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: That's really nice. That's really nice. So anyway, what's the

432
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: story so old Deuteronomy? She's gonna make a jellical choice,

433
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: and I guess now that's the plot. We meet Rebel

434
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: Wilson cat Jenny any Dots. She is one of the

435
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: jelical cat, vying to be the jelical choice. She sings

436
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: a song, she's like a sadest like torturing mice, Perkeley

437
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: cockroaches that she eats. It's a lot. And I don't

438
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: know how like faithful this is to the source material,

439
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: but I did really resent sort of how Rebel Wilson

440
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: and James Corden are just like it seems like most

441
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: of their direction is like, all right, so you're fat,

442
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: and that's hilarious, and then that was restlessly fat shame

443
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: throughout and it's just it's just it's an insulting it's

444
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: insulting to the actors. It's insulting to the audience as well.

445
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: It's just insulting the conversation to be had about that.

446
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: What what a mess. Then we meet Jason Derulo cat

447
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: a k rama is cat. He commits, he commits, and

448
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: he's a great job. He okay, Jason Derulo is doing

449
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: an Idris Elba impression the whole movie. Um. And then

450
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: things get very dramatic all of a sudden because Jennifer

451
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Hudson cat shows up. Her name is Grizabella, and she

452
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: used to be a nice cat who everyone liked, but

453
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: then she got involved with Macavity in some capacity and

454
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: it's not clear what, but I would assume in a

455
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Taylor Swifty kind of just like she assists him in

456
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: committing crimes. Is not not there someone check on Taylor

457
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Swift's lungs. But the other cats have kind of turned

458
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: their backs on her, and it seems a little correct,

459
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: man if you disagree, but it seems like it's maybe

460
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: a little gender the way they position it. It always

461
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: seems like the female identified cats are more viscerally angry

462
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: with Grizabella than male cats. Everyone doesn't like her, but

463
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: there's like, I think two or three female cats that

464
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: we see, like after her two or three times, and

465
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is woman on woman violence, and

466
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: we don't I agree with cutting women against each other.

467
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: They're pretty antagonistic towards Victoria too, because in a scene

468
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: that arguably passes the Bechdel test. Although I don't know

469
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: if we ever learned those cats names, one of them

470
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: is like, what's your name? In Victoria's like, but she

471
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: doesn't respond. Right away, and then she's like, well, cat

472
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: call your tongue, right, they're a little antagonistic towards other women,

473
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, um, excuse me, female cats supporting female cats,

474
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: which we later see with Victoria and Grizabella saying goodness, goods,

475
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: but there is they do. They do have that little

476
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: gendered woman. That's true to mean, female cats are the

477
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: like the most ordery, like you know, one eyed, you know,

478
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: fighting ears, nibbled off cats tend to be females. And

479
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: it's the barge cat to me. And this is no

480
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: no shade on the actor who played the barge cat

481
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: to me, I would have loved that role to have

482
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: been played by my childhood cat, Mittens because she was

483
00:30:53,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: a um, indomitable grump, total grouch and could just steamroll

484
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: anything in her path. She was, to use a someone

485
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: antiquated a little bit sexist term, she was a battle axe. Okay, alright, Um,

486
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: So after Grizabella SLINKs away, although like Victoria is curious,

487
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: she's like, who's that? What's her deal? Yeah? Victoria is

488
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: like what's going on there? And no one oppresent the explanation,

489
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: and then you cut to Jennifer Hudson, who as you said,

490
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: thinks maybe she might be winning an oscar for this,

491
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: and she's oh, she's crawling away on all four cross cats,

492
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder, tears streaming down her face, and

493
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: You're like, they didn't even finish the CG on her.

494
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: This this just like this looks. This looks it's a lot.

495
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: It is a lot, but I love it. And she leaves,

496
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: and who appears but James Cordon cat Busta for Jones. Yeah,

497
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: and he basically knows the movie he's in. I think so,

498
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that song. But he seems to

499
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: basically he's like a musical theater guy, so it kind

500
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: of makes sense that he's like, well, this movie isn't

501
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: going to be good, but I'll be in it, right.

502
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: And then mccavity makes Jenny any Dots and bust Of

503
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: for Jones disappeared. What's your favorite my I think one

504
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: of my my favorite mccavity, well, I guess Skimble is

505
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: my favorite cat disappearing because he just likes twirling up

506
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: into the areas song. But Jenny any Dots being turned

507
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: into dust is pretty funny too, because he like beckonser

508
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: over and she's in her she did that thing where

509
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: she unzipped her suit and then but then he's like,

510
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: your name should be in lots and she's like, yeah,

511
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really good, and he's like, yeah, your

512
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: face should be on posters and that he points to

513
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: his own wanted bust. Yes, it is. It makes no

514
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: sense that the cats don't know who he is or

515
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: to look out for him, because they know who he

516
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: is and they, I know, everyone seems to know who

517
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: mccavity is and that he's bad. But then suddenly when

518
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: they come face to face with him, they're like, is

519
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: this nice cat? It doesn't make I'm like, is that

520
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: maybe a part of the magic? He's like Jedi mind

521
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: tricking them or some could be. That's the only way

522
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: it can make sense to me, because otherwise their animosity

523
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: towards Grizabella doesn't make any sense because they're only magic

524
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Grizabella because of her association with mcavity, who they must

525
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: hate enough to know what he looks like, especially because

526
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: he's around. He shows up quite a bit between there

527
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and his bar and the posters of his face all

528
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: over the point your face should be on a post

529
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: and then she looks at it and then it's like, oh,

530
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: that's who you are. And then he goes and then

531
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: she vanishes, and then she turns into dust and reappears

532
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: on Yes, so I guess he's also a jelical cat,

533
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: which like, how is he eligible to be a jelical cat?

534
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: But he's rounding up his competitors because he wants to

535
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: be chosen to be reborn. Well, that's another gender thing

536
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I guess that it does make sense.

537
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: It old Deuteronomy is originally a male cat, and this

538
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: in the original production, it's a patriarchy, because that would

539
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: explain why Grizabella got tossed out of the jelical cast.

540
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: But for some reason, the Cavity can stay even though

541
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: he's the actual source of the problem. But Grizabella has

542
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: been extradited from Jelicles even though like it was just

543
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: her association to this guy who's still a jelical I'm

544
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: sure that someone smarter than me can be Like, it's

545
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: like an American politics when blah blah blah, it's that right.

546
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: It's that she's kind of been lewinskied basically, which means

547
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: that she's going to find have a second act on

548
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: social media Grizabella is going to be like, stop the bullying,

549
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: and we can't wait for it. I can't wait for it?

550
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: Is it that old Deuteronomy is has the final say?

551
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: And who gets she seems to be able to like, yeah,

552
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: she's like knighting them and being like you're a jelical cat.

553
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: You're not anymore? Like why can't she doesn't seem yeah,

554
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: take away mccavity's jelical status. She seems kind of powerless

555
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: to do it, which is kind of confused, and he

556
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: then he sends her on the plank later spoilers the plank.

557
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: Also the barge has a plank, of course it does. Okay,

558
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: So then Victoria meets to cat Burglars, Rumble Teaser and

559
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Mungo Jerry and might I say the boring ones, the

560
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: ones I don't care about boring? Yeah, And they're nefarious

561
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: because they take her into this nice house and steal

562
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of jewelry and then leave without her, and

563
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: she's like kind of stuck on something and Mr Mustaffs

564
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: has to come and save her because even female cats

565
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: need to be saved. And then there's a moment where

566
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: I swear like we were sitting in there there there's

567
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: a moment during that first of all, where you hear

568
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: a dog and I'm like, what did dogs look like

569
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: in this world? I wanted to because they've established that

570
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: every and every living creature on this planet is humanoid,

571
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: because the mice and the cockroach. The cockroach is humanoid.

572
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean probably trees are humanoid. To the dogs, show

573
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: me the dog. The dog would have been so horrible.

574
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina behind the door, like bark. Just imagine imagine

575
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: this universe. Birds humanoid, fish humanoid just like human fish,

576
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: and everything's humanoid. It's the implications are mind boggling. It's yeah,

577
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: it's an uncanny world. Snakes humanoid, really long humans. I

578
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: don't like it. But there at the end of that scene,

579
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: when yes, the Victoria has to be saved by Mr

580
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: Musta Files, there's a moment where I'm pretty sure it's

581
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: like heavily convinced, like you're supposed to think he has

582
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: a cat boner. They do they like nuzzle against and

583
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: then he goes oh, and you're like no, a barbed

584
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: penis begins to una like no, oh, it was not good. Okay.

585
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: So then then this is when Judy Dench cat old

586
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: Deuteronomy shows older are one on me, and when she enters,

587
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: the whole theater erupts into it's such a dramatic unveiling

588
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like like, oh, it's very exciting. And

589
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: then also as soon as she shows up, Ian McKellen

590
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: cat is also suddenly there. He doesn't get entrithy, just

591
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: hi um. Then there's a big dance number, and then

592
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Grizabella shows up again and Victoria. She sings the same song,

593
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: and Victoria kind of like extends in alive branch because

594
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: she's the one who's like, well, everyone else hates you,

595
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: but she's still like the other cat, she's nice. And

596
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: then but Grizabella SLINKs off again and now it's time

597
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: for the jelical ball and Ian McKellen the cat ak

598
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: Gus the theater cat. He sings a song. Then we

599
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: get a song from Skimble Shanks the Railway cat. If

600
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: you're getting if you're getting whiplash, this isn't Caitlin's fault.

601
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: It's that's the movie. Is a new cat being introduced

602
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: in singing a song about themselves. Like that's like the

603
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: whole movie is like it's like I'm bibbili bop the

604
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: shnibibily cat, and it's like he does a little dance

605
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: and a little song, and then it's like I'm some

606
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: bibilie and I'm the cat that eats ass, and then

607
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: the song and then another one. But but it is

608
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: still to spring the cat's defense forces out because I

609
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: know that former guest Lindsay Ellis is going to make

610
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: an amazing video about this, and we will we will

611
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: all feel so stupid for having said these things. But

612
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: it's grounded in the narrative in that when skimble Shanks

613
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: is shaking his package around, it's because in that theory,

614
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: he's presenting his case to be the gelical choice. That's

615
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: the theory. While you're hearing everything. Yes, so it actually

616
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: makes a lot of it actually is very narratively sound. Yes, um.

617
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: But so they both sing their songs, but mccavity shows

618
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: up again and makes both of them disappear. That's also

619
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: when Taylor Swift Cat shows up. Her name, I guess

620
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: is bomb Ballerina. She gets the all super high, super

621
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: high on cat and the nip which little note about cat,

622
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't just make cats high. It actually is

623
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: thought to act as like a fake cat pheromone. So

624
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: the fact that the cats are like undulating in the movie,

625
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: like they're all horny as heck is accurate. Good, that's

626
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: a good cat nip facts about but not about catney.

627
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Not about cat nipples right right, which also gets cat horny.

628
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: But you know, but what are you gonna do? So

629
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: mccavity shows up and he's like, well, old dude, it

630
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: looks like I'm the only jelical cat left. I guess

631
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: you have to choose me, and she's like, never, I

632
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: only choose cats who deserve a new life, and your bad.

633
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: And then and then she's on the bar, and then

634
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: they're like Judy Dench. She walks the plank, and then

635
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: I guess she's on the plank for what is the

636
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: t minutes that Mr mustaf Les is trying to summon her.

637
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: I want to see, like the uncunt version of Elba,

638
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: just being like, so your hind right, we should keep

639
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: cutting back to old Deuteronomy. On the plank, she does

640
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: like I haven't changed my mind, and then he's like,

641
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: all right, walk one step further. So then it was

642
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: right we cut back to the theater where Victoria is like,

643
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's a magical cat. He can get old dude

644
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: drawn me back, and I know that that's bad that

645
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: like she is there to like pump him, give him

646
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: enough like ego to make Judy dench up here. But

647
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I've been that cat before. I've been like, this is

648
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. He's really good at magic. And then he

649
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: proceeds to be horrible at magic. That was a very

650
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: triggering passage for me. But then we get one of

651
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: the songs in the production magical Mr Mustafel, and then

652
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: we see Mr Musa fills. I think that Mr mustafs.

653
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: He tries to make her appear three times, but it's

654
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: like he like, I'm gonna come, No, I'm not, I'm

655
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: gonna come. No, I'm not. I'm gonna come. No, I'm not.

656
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: And tail as old as time love to see it.

657
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: And then and he needs he needs Victoria to encourage

658
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: him before he can finally to get Look, the magical

659
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: wand is not in his hand. Let me tell you, well,

660
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes it is, but it's the one we're looking at.

661
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: It's his penis, is what I'm trying to say. Is

662
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: the wand is his penis. Victoria gets some horny for

663
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: magic and honey gets horny for old dute. Old duke

664
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: comes back. I like that. You do see a man

665
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: with almost no confidence in himself, because that's rare. And

666
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: then Victoria sees Grizabella outside and she's like, come in

667
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: here and sing. Victoria is like, it is better be

668
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: the last time you sing memory, because it's the fourth time,

669
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: and she does it. An old Deuteronomy is like, wow, Grizabella,

670
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: that was so good. You're the jelical choice. And you

671
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: know what, old dude o Grizabella an apology, yeah, and

672
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: doesn't give one. She should be like, I am so

673
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: sorry I kicked you out of the jelicals. That was

674
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: sexiest of me. I I, old dude, have internalized misogyny.

675
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to untrain myself from these things.

676
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: But I need to make teach an old cat new

677
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: tricks and and and then she's like, I just remembered

678
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I should have kicked out my cavity dot. I'm so sorry,

679
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: you may die and she just hot air balloon to heaven.

680
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: And then she's like Victoria, Wow, good instinct on thinking

681
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: that Grizabella was good. You're a jelical cat now, so

682
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: I guess why she's a gelical cat because she did

683
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: a good right. So I guess that means Victoria is

684
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: eligible to die next year at the next ball, and

685
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: a lot of that breaks Victoria. And then there's the

686
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: five minute scene where Judy Dench breaks the fourth wall

687
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: and then ends the movie with the most profound line

688
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in cinema, because she says, most importantly,

689
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: a cat is not a dog. And we were like,

690
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: what blew me away? It's weird. That is one of

691
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: we have to take a quick break. That's the end

692
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: of the movie. We have to take a quick break,

693
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: and then we have to really get a lot of

694
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: discussion infa we're back my mom. Wow wow wow wow.

695
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Um okay, so context corner for cats. For for a

696
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: play with no plot, there's a fair amount of context.

697
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: So this is an Andrewoid Webber musical. Um. It originally

698
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: came out in one. He was allowed to do this

699
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: because Evida had been very successful. Jesus Christ Superstar had

700
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: been very successful. Not not just anyone could have gotten

701
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: this mate because it doesn't make any sense. But it's

702
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: adapted from an old book of T. S. Eliott poems

703
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: called Old Possums Book of Practical Cats, which was published

704
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties. So most of the lyrics in

705
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: this entire musical are direct T. S. Eliott poems or

706
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: poems that have been modified slightly. But all the characters

707
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: the letters from his wife, right, because like his wife

708
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: was like um said something in some letter. Whereas like cats,

709
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: when cats did, they go up up, up up to

710
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the heavinside layer. So the heaven side layer is referenced

711
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: once in the book of poems, but it like they

712
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: expand on the idea of it through letters. Um. But

713
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: basically it was a book of children's poetry written by T. S.

714
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: Eliott that Andrew Lord Webber really liked as a child.

715
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: And all the character names come from T. S. Eliott,

716
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: like he effectively wrote the play. Basically, all the I

717
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: P Is T. S. Eliot's And he just didn't live

718
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: long enough to prevent this from happening, is basically, and

719
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: so Andrew Lie Webber uses his blank check as very

720
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: successful composer to get this made. Um T. S. Eliot.

721
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: It is extremely worth mentioning that he was notoriously I mean,

722
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: he was every kind of bigoted it was possible to be,

723
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: and it shows and all of his most famous works,

724
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: including some things in Cats that um, for the most part,

725
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: have been edited out, but over the years that wasn't

726
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: always true. Um. But he I think is most famously

727
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: deeply anti Semitic. But there's a lot of racism in

728
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: his work. There's a ton of misogyny in this work.

729
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: I was wondering about that aside and the thing about

730
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: like the global bangers in the movie that was really weird. Yeah,

731
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: and he's also deeply like he came from money, like

732
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: he just had every privilege it's possible to have and

733
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: doesn't give a funk about anyone except people who are

734
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: exactly like him. Uh, you know, rich white straight men.

735
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: So uh, he is bad. Uh. And there there's that

736
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: whole like academic like there are some academic analysts that

737
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: will like do the mental gymnastics necessary to justify it,

738
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: but there's really no excusing it. Um. It's not especially

739
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: present in this book, but but there was for the

740
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: most part Andrew laid Webber. He has he's a member

741
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: of the British Conservative Party, so we can't stand him

742
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: in that regard. But he has um historically gone to

743
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: bad for queer people and people of color in his

744
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: musicals extended Universe. So there are some ideas between T. S.

745
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Eliott Andrew laid Webber that are directly conflicting. And Andrew

746
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: loud Webber does a fair amount to steer his way

747
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: around stuff. I don't agree with the casting of this

748
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: movie in some ways, but um, in general, Um, through

749
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: the years, Cats has been kind of fluid in terms

750
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: of gender race. They're fucking cats, Katie. You mentioned the

751
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: gender of Old Deuteronomy has changed through various adaptations. There

752
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: are some cats that were originally played by white actors

753
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: that are later played by black actors, and uh and

754
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: vice versa, and angel Wee. Webber has a fairly good

755
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: track record of going to bat for actors that aren't

756
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: just the straight white actors. So there's that. But um,

757
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: there was a song that was removed, only removed from

758
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Cats in that says a blatant slur um towards Asian people,

759
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: and that was a line taken directly from T. S.

760
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Eliott um and the number it was a growl tiger

761
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: number that was removed. So in any case, there were

762
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: at very least adaptation changes made. And I think that

763
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: that's like basically the background you need is. We can

764
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: blame Andrew lid Webber for making it scary, but all

765
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: the things that are problematic are generally t s eliott

766
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: I p okay, and let us talk about these problematic things,

767
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is one of those movies where

768
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: it's just like so nonsensical that it's almost sort of

769
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: hard to analyze on any meaningful level because it's just like, well,

770
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: none of it makes sense. And they're also cats, so like,

771
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: how much can we talk about the representation of women?

772
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: And yet I insisted we do this? Well, I mean,

773
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Victoria needs rescuing. Victoria needs rescuing. She is maybe the

774
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: most passive protagonist of any movie I've ever seen in

775
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: my entire life, and the fact that she is a

776
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: female character, you know, means we just have an extremely

777
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: passive female protagonists. It's also wild that they had to

778
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: add in a song for her for this movie. She

779
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't even have a like the song like beautifuckers, that

780
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: song that sucks being about being haunted. No, I had

781
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: no idea what they were talking about that song, Like,

782
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: like what I gathered from it, it it was like sucks

783
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: for you that you were kicked out of this jellical group,

784
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: but like they like me, so um yeah, but she

785
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: like that song was written for this movie because so

786
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: she didn't even have that much originally. She was truly

787
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: like nothing nothing, and the direction for her like she's

788
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: she is definitely that actor or ballet dancer. She's a

789
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: great ballet dancer, super talented. Not criticizing her at all,

790
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: but the direction for her seemed to be basically like

791
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: look wide eyed, innocent and sexy at all times. And

792
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, problem, especially because she's not really given

793
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: much to do, like she doesn't do anything except lift

794
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: up Mr mustapholes, and I mean she does. I do

795
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: like generally how she is the only cat willing to

796
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: like talk to Grizabella and bring her in, Like I

797
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: think that that women lift up other women and healthy

798
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: women and then old dude. I like the choice of

799
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: old dupe being a woman in this and that she

800
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: gives Grazi Balla the second chance, and that you get

801
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: the matriarchy through Judy Dench, And I think that those

802
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: are all cool choices controversial slash straight up bad editing.

803
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: CG choice was that so Francesca Hayward is a black woman,

804
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: but you would never know that based on how she's

805
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: stylized in the movie. She's essentially I mean, there's been

806
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: there's a million articles on this that will have more

807
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: cogent thoughts than the two seconds I have to summarize this.

808
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: But basically, when the trailer for this movie came out

809
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: in July, a lot of people were like upset because

810
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: because this movie has a black female lead, but you

811
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: would never know it, particularly because she's a ballet dancer

812
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: and she's not recognizable to the general public. So like

813
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: we I didn't find out that she was a black

814
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: woman until before the third time I saw it, and

815
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the the pushback on that was like, well,

816
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be able to tell the race

817
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 1: of any of the cats, but that's not true. Calm

818
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: down there, Stephen Colbert. It's very it's like it's not true.

819
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: And even with I hate that. I hate that when

820
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: they use that excuse for like, oh, we literally don't

821
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: see race, like nice, try, like you still have to

822
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: do good representation, and you can identify the race of

823
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: almost any other cat in the entire maybe you should

824
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: see Taylor Swift is not a like snow white cat,

825
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: but you can still see in the way that she's

826
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: edited the bottom of her face, you can tell what

827
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: ethnicity she is. So it's like a shitty argument, and

828
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: it is whitewashing a black female character. Yeah, because yeah,

829
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: and then like Jennifer Hudson, Idris Alba, and Jason Drulo

830
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: are all like visibly black. Also, that's kind of messed

831
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: up too, because like with with You, just like one

832
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: of the lyrics of the song is that he's a

833
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: ginger cat, like he's got like, you know, ginger coloration

834
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: of the cat, and then that he doesn't. That was

835
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: a weird big in the musical. Cavity has been played

836
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: by a black man before, but it's still a ginger cat, right,

837
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: because that's how they describe them. I mean, it's okay

838
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: if you don't do that, but then why didn't Then

839
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: how come the argument is like, oh, well, you know,

840
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: it's just like they're all just cats. But then like

841
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: you changed that, you didn't change Victoria. It doesn't make

842
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: sense the casting of this movie. I mean it's a

843
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: very diverse cast. I think that it's just again it's

844
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: like an issue of just like a very white behind

845
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: the scenes crew that if not thinking critically or hard

846
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: enough about the choices that they're making because you're casting

847
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: uh you know, like the only two true outliers from

848
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: the gelical world are two black characters. You've got Idris

849
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Elba as Macavity and then you have Jennifer Hudson as Grizabella.

850
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: So so it's like the it's like the optics, I

851
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if they're like, yeah, no one thought

852
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: of it. So a lot of things seem to slip

853
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: through the cracks with this movie. Yeah, um, to talk

854
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: about the body shaming of some of the cats, Rebel

855
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: Wilson cat and James Cordon cat, they're both plus size actors,

856
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: and then uh, I think at least James Cordon has

857
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: like a fat suit on, um, making him appear bigger

858
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: than he for sure, for sure. So this is again

859
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: it's just like an adaptation issue, I think, where it's

860
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: like when you're writing about a chubby cat and a poem,

861
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: it's very different than shaming a famous actor for their

862
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: size and you know, kind of forcing them to make

863
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: fun of themselves in a way that feels dated and

864
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: like uncomfortable and unfair. Um, so like you don't have

865
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: to adapt it that way, and and and because this

866
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: is like the sinister spiral of adaptations of it's like

867
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: poem to musical to movie. You can change how it's

868
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: presented in the musical too, but they don't. I don't, right,

869
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: And and just to be clear, the issue is that

870
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: like there should be a much wider array of body

871
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: size is represented in across all movies. So the fact

872
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: that you have like plus size actors in this movie

873
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: is great. The problem is they're just like those characters

874
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: are characterized as being shown constantly eating. Rebel Wilson is

875
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: a gumby cat, which I guess just laziness, sits around,

876
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: does nothing. They're just like always stuffing their faces. And

877
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: they're also the first two cats to be captured. Maybe

878
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: that's just because they're the first two cats jelical cats

879
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: will get introduced. But it's just like it sends a

880
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: message also, it makes me think, so like remember that

881
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: really disturbing scene where Rebel Wilson, the Rebel Wilson cat

882
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: like unzips her skin and there's a dress, the tight

883
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: cocktail dress under her skin and then more for under

884
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: the dress, which everyone's freaked out about. I've been thinking

885
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: about why they would do that and why they wouldn't

886
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: give her like you know how like you just Elbow's

887
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: character and old old dude, like it's like a furry

888
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: coat in like sort of like fluffiness, and then that

889
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: would be much less traumatizing to see her character off.

890
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I think twice it becomes a plot point. And I

891
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: think the reason that they had to do that is

892
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: because they want to accentuate the fact that she's fat.

893
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: And I think that was a way of like humiliating

894
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: her in a way like the character. Does that make sense, Yeah,

895
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: I I don't really know like how it's portrayed in

896
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: the original musical, so I don't even I mean that

897
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: could be something that's either being played down or up

898
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: in either direction. I'm not totally sure. But it doesn't

899
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: come off well at all. And it's just like it's

900
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: not fair to the actors. Both James Gordon and Rebel

901
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Wilson have had to like play in a way that

902
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: mocks their own size for years and years. It's really

903
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: it's really insulting. Yeah, and and it's not a joke

904
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: that anyone is laughing at anymore. Like it's just it's uncomfortable.

905
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we I want to be optimistic and

906
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: say largely as a society have kind of like moved

907
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: past that, and like the fat acceptance movement has done

908
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: so much work that seeing like a goofy movie that

909
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do this. There's so many dumb things

910
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: you can do with Rebel Wilson and James Corden. They're comedians,

911
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: like they're uniquely qualified to make anything funny. And then

912
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: just to be like, Nope, your body is the joke.

913
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: We're not going to change the source material at all. Sorry,

914
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Like and just any time that there's like a refusal

915
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: to adapt something like that is just it's just lazy.

916
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: It just sucks. It's like what you're gonna like take

917
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of steps backwards in any progress that's been

918
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: made for fan service or to like have a more

919
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: faithful adaptation like who cares, No one cares. But then

920
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's an impossible christen their part, because

921
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: if I'm Rebel Wilson and someone is like do you

922
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: want to be in Cats? I'm like whatever it takes.

923
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: So so it's it just it Yeah, where it's definitely

924
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: it's an issue. It's the refusal to adapt. It is

925
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: so it's glaring and it and it makes the best

926
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: movie less the best. And while there have been strides

927
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: made in the body positivity movement and there's less fat

928
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: shaming than there was in the past, it's still a

929
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: huge issue. And I think, particularly in Hollywood, there's still

930
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: a refusal to cast plus size actors and things. It's

931
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: getting a little better, but like, and the types of

932
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: parts that plus size actors get tended to be the

933
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: same stock characters that this doesn't strive from stray cats

934
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: at all. A thing that Rebe Wilson has to deal

935
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: with a lot in most of the movie she gets

936
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: cast in is that she's made to be also very clumsy,

937
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: like constantly falling or like getting hit in the head.

938
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, we're like, so her most famous character's name

939
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: is fat Amy. It's like it's ridiculous, um, But in

940
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: this movie, I mean no exception where she's like falling

941
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: all the time, She like falls off the chair and

942
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: she's they're just like both her and James Cordon cat

943
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: are are like clumsy, just kind of bumbling on. That's

944
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of a trope that has to do, like

945
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: a sort of size of trope worts like oh if

946
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: you're if you're fat, you're like doofy clumsy or your gluttonous,

947
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you're greedy, and like like the James Cordon character embodies

948
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: some of that, where he's like he's greedy, he's gluttonous,

949
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, sort of like a prima donna

950
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: and like the same. It's just it was just bad.

951
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: It's it's and it's too bad too, because it's like,

952
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, like I understand why they would take

953
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: these roles in this amazing, perfect, built to succeed movie. Uh,

954
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: And James Cordon, to his credit, has done a fair

955
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: amount of like good activism for plus size people, and

956
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: so it's just it just sucks that they're subjected to this.

957
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: It's because like it's not it doesn't read well to anybody, right, Well,

958
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: you look at like the roles that plus size people get,

959
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: and it's like pretty every everyone who's been prominent has

960
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: had to take a role where like the main joke

961
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: is that you're big, and it's just like it's it's

962
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: cringe e for audiences in general, Like it's just bad.

963
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: You can say something I liked Old Dude in general.

964
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I like old Dude. I like how Judy Dench plays

965
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: her too seriously. I like but I but I did

966
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: like that. Well, it seems like Grizabella's character was originally

967
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be pretty agist, and her whole character is

968
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: built around like the quote unquote, like the indignities of aging,

969
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: the feeling of irrelevant female beauty fading, and like these

970
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: things that are real. And I think we're even reeler

971
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: in n but it's kind of uncritical of them. But

972
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: then she's redeemed. It's kind of confusing. But for in

973
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: terms of old Dude, I like that um old dude

974
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: is allowed to be just as freaky sexual as all

975
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: the other cats. I loved the orgy with old Dude.

976
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: I loved that right because they go into the theater

977
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: and they have a massive orgy and they rub against No,

978
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: it's not even like I mean, okay, I'm exaggerating a

979
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: little bit. They don't literally have sex, but they rub

980
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: up against each other. Old due Old Dude gets in

981
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: there and like they they're rubbing up against her, and

982
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: it's like this kind of pan sexual cat orgy, and

983
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm it's we have a pan sexual cat orgy. I'm

984
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: here for representation. We've needed for decades, but it is cool.

985
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I agree with them. You're

986
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: making a very good point. I'm kind of being silly,

987
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: but I agree with that. Yeah, oh yeah, just like

988
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: that that people over a certain age, particularly women over

989
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: a certain age, are not afforded, aren't allowed to be

990
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: sexual in any way, and everyone in this movie is

991
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: too sexual. Judy Dench included. Did you see Judy Dench's

992
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: cute little like leg thing where she's sitting in her basket.

993
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: She was sitting in the basket like sort of that

994
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: they paint me like one of your French cats post

995
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: that she does the leg kick and she's like, I'm

996
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: screw Like, yeah, everyone, we all screamed, We all screamed

997
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: for Judy Dene's cat legs. But she, she and Ian

998
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: McKellen are are just as horny as the next cat

999
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: on the block. So that's I thought. I love I

1000
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: love a horny cat, Judy Dinch. She really fun fact

1001
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: about Judy Dench is that she was so excited to

1002
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: be in this movie because she was originally supposed to

1003
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: play I think either Grizabella or Victoria in the original

1004
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: production of Cats, and then she got hurt and she

1005
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, but she's been a cat's stand for

1006
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: all these years. And then Mr Webber was Lord Webber

1007
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: was like, damn, will you be my old dude? And

1008
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: she said yes, yes, yes can I kick? Like it

1009
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: was good for her? Good um. One of the adaptations

1010
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: that I liked in Cats. And that's why anytime that

1011
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: someone's like, I can't change the Jenny any Dut song,

1012
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: I can't change Busta for Jones song. And then you're like,

1013
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: but you changed a lot of stuff in good Bye.

1014
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: You took out the racist song we need we needed

1015
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: that and changed that I really liked as they changed

1016
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: old Deuteronomy, who who has been played by all genders

1017
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: um throughout the years. The production I saw, by the way,

1018
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: the most recent production I saw, a friend of the cast,

1019
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: friend of the Cats, Corey Johnson played old and incredible.

1020
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: It was and I had completely forgotten. And then Corey

1021
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: is like, I'm old dude, and like, I don't know

1022
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: what that means. And she she's like, she's like, it

1023
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: seems like I'm never going to come out, and then

1024
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: I do. I was like, all right, and that's exactly

1025
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: and they it was in time. It was at the lyrics.

1026
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: It was like a tiny theater, and so there's just

1027
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: Corey like walking really slowly to the center of this stage.

1028
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: She's wearing this huge cape and you're just like, what

1029
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: is happening? It was, It was so great. Corey is

1030
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: a better old dude than Judy Dench. But if it

1031
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: is nice for the for the big feature adaptation, UM

1032
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: to see them make the choice to have it be

1033
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: a matriarchy. UM. I think that there are a few

1034
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: things that make a little bit less sense when it's

1035
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: a matriarchy, UM, like Grizabella being extradited and Macavity not.

1036
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: But in general, I think it's a good choice. Yes,

1037
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: I liked it, Yes, indeed. Um, well you've got your list, Um,

1038
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: I just let me let me go through my I

1039
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: brought a notebook to hear the pages turning at a ce. Um,

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01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: let me just go through and see what very stupid

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01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: jokes I wrote down. Gus the theater cat. Um, he

1042
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: sings a song about the good old days and how

1043
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: maybe it would be nicer if we return to the

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: good old days. So I'm he's a maga cat, is

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, he's an okay boomer cat by

1046
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: the way, who is running tech at the Jellical Ball, Isaac,

1047
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: I think your boyfriend I whever he's rinning. Techi's anting

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01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: tech everywhere, including the Jellical Ball, and he didn't get

1049
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: hate on time for it. I like the other choice

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 1: that you're like, whose idea was this? Um was during

1051
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: Magical Mr. Mstaffs when Jason to Rula starts like going

1052
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: falsetto Oh yeah, it's like madocal bistrostoffle Like, I feel

1053
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: like they only did like one take and then we

1054
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: were like, oh, Jason, you weren't supposed to do that,

1055
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: but we only had the one take, so let's just

1056
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: move on. We were talking about this at the theater,

1057
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: but it's so most actors you could tell, like the

1058
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: famous people were not there more than they had to be.

1059
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: But Jason Derula seemed to be there every day. He's

1060
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: in the background of every shot. He's like there. He's

1061
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: in so many things that you're like, wouldn't have missed him,

1062
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: but he's just like like he's just back there. He

1063
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: loves cats. He loves cats. What else did you let's see? Um? Oh?

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: That um? What song is that? Run? Amy? Right? I

1065
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: just can't stop thinking read it. Um, the like hip

1066
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: hop cats who wear the sneakers the boy cats that

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: they were wearing Mike, Yeah, I think that that was

1068
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: added for the movie. I don't really have anything else

1069
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: to say about it. But they come up a couple

1070
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: of times. They're on the there on Skimble's train, They're

1071
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: in the bed at Skimbles on Skimbles train, the sneakers,

1072
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: sneakers in the bed whatever. Um, there's a bunch of

1073
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: like really stupid cat puns, which look, I think if

1074
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: they had just tried a little harder, they could have

1075
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,479
Speaker 1: gotten some better things. I like when Wilson says, don't

1076
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: mess with the crazy cat lady and then she beats

1077
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: up growl tiger. I have to admit I like that part.

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: That was fine. There's the whole like cat tongue joke. Um.

1079
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: I think Rebet Wilson says, like who let the cat

1080
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: out of the bag? That one wasn't very good when

1081
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: they didn't cut any of the improv that they do,

1082
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: Like you just get to feel like Tom Hooper's on

1083
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: the other side of the camera, like say something about it,

1084
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: say something about a cat. I don't know how he talked.

1085
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: I know he's brittish us like something about a cat.

1086
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: James corn is like a cat, and then he's like,

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01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: all right, it stays oh, and then James Cordon lands

1088
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: on his cat balls. Do you remember that part? He

1089
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: doesn't on his cat testicles? But then someone else is

1090
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: accused of being neutered. I forget who that is. Oh um,

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01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: is that Jason Derillo? Yeah, Rebel Wilson does some improvised

1092
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: line about like has he he he just has he

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: not been neuted or something because he's making everyone he's

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: doing like a falsetto, and she thinks that like he's

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: like a eunuch cat. I thought that it was because

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01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: he's been making everyone horny. My read was that he

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: was singing. Because no, she says something like he's singing

1098
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: so high as if he's been neutered the way that

1099
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: like they used to cast right, young boys just don'ts

1100
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: and it's just Jason Deruloh under all that. They're like, no,

1101
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: he's just a soprano. Is Jason Deruloh? Yeah? I don't know.

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: There was also every time I watch it and all

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: the female cats become violently horny when Jason Derulo comes

1104
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: on the scene. I'm like, there's some commentary there, but

1105
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm too horny to figure out what it is. So

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, if anyone has a read on that, feel

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01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: free to share. I haven't. I haven't been able to

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01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: calm myself down enough to analyze that passage. Yeah, I

1109
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: can't make heads or tails, like is that sexist? But

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01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: also I'm horny heads tales of it. I found some

1111
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: other bad puns from the movies. Someone says, look what

1112
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: the cat dragged in, and then someone says, oh, I

1113
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: think this is Rebbe Wilson. She says, stop milking it.

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: And then I think there's like a sign that it's

1115
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be like for a casino, but it says catsino.

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: There's all this. I wish I'd paid more like close

1117
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: attention to the sign. I'm pretty sure all the signs

1118
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: are cat adjacent because there's like, yeah, because there's that

1119
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: iconic scene that we somehow haven't brought up where there

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01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: at the milker curious. It makes sense when you take

1121
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: in the scope of the song. Rum tongue Tuger is indecisive.

1122
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: He wants what he can't have, but there's this moment

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: he's walking out of the bar the milk bar. He's like,

1124
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: no more milk. He's done. Who's that four? Is that

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01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: four cats? Or is it for It seems like it's

1126
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: for humans. It says like milk all night log in London. Um.

1127
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: But he walks out, he's like, no more milk and

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: then he gets two steps out and he goes, no,

1129
01:08:51,960 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: it's not sung, it's just screamed. It's good neg Oh

1130
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: my god. How about your list? My list? Okay, I'm

1131
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: going to make a more detailed graphic about this, um

1132
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: if you're welcome for the betel cast official accounts. So

1133
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been saying that this movie

1134
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: is going to be a midnight screening classic like Rocky

1135
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: Horror or The Room or The Room, and with those

1136
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: when you go to those movies, there's specific things we're

1137
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: supposed to yell at the screen, specific things we're supposed

1138
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: to do when certain things happen, which means there will

1139
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: be a system devised for this movie. Maybe we can

1140
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: get ahead of it and contribute to history. Let's do it.

1141
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: This is not that this is mainly just a list

1142
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: of things I list I wrote down on my phone

1143
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: because you're allowed to have your phone out during this movie,

1144
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: no one gets mad at you. So I made a

1145
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: list on my phone during my second viewing of the

1146
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: movie of just things that we're getting reactions that I'm like,

1147
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: we could figure this out. I'll try. I'll try to

1148
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: crystallize that a little more for social media. But I

1149
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: can't feel free to jump in thank you. So this

1150
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: was made during them. Okay, when cats wear hats, you

1151
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: can scream. I mostly just added places you can scream.

1152
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: When cats where hats, you can scream. Anytime a new

1153
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: cat start a song, you can yell who is that? Um.

1154
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: When a cat disappears into dust, you have to drink.

1155
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: When each elbows on screen, you can yell his career

1156
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: may never recover. Um, let's see, there has to be

1157
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: some sort of rule with the with the when the

1158
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: mice and the and the cockroach, there has to be

1159
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: something right. There has to be something there. Oh, when

1160
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: rum Tom Talker comes on screen, you have to go

1161
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: Jess and that has to happen obviously, Um, something about

1162
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: pussy jokes. I just run that time. Um, oh, milk,

1163
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: there has to be something there. When Grizabella starts to

1164
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: crawl in the ground, you can yell drama queen. Uh.

1165
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: When James Cordon's song is ending, you can yell your

1166
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: move fallon you fucking zick. Oh. Uh. When James Cordon's

1167
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: cat noubles come out, you can say show me the

1168
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: other four, sweetie. Um during the other four six sorry

1169
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: the other I'm so sorry, I was drunk. Um during

1170
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: Mungo Jerry and Rubble Teaser Ugo, p everyone leaves at theater.

1171
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Let's see do something when the cats get horny but

1172
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: they don't get bonners. Um. Oh this is okay, this

1173
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: is a half developed thought. But whenever Ian McKellen is

1174
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: on screen and doing something that's a little weird, um,

1175
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: you just pretend that he did one take of everything.

1176
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: So whenever he goes my mom mama, you could be like, wow,

1177
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: he had one take. Great. If you get in quiet moments,

1178
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: you can just say regular volume lame is was pretty good.

1179
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: Whenever Judy Dent is talking and no one is listening,

1180
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: you can just be like, what are you talking about?

1181
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: Like when she's like staring out the window at Grizabella

1182
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: and Victoria becoming friends and she's just talking about she's

1183
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: like something about a cat days going to happened soon,

1184
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: and you're just like shut up. You can yell shut

1185
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: up at any at any time, you can ye shut

1186
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: up um at any time, you can yell what year

1187
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: is it? Oh? And here's my favorite one. This is

1188
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: something that my friend John Milstein did while we were

1189
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: seeing the movie. But so you know, during Um Skimble

1190
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: Shanks the Railway Cats song, at one point he starts

1191
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: to tap and he starts slow, and then it gets

1192
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of faster. So okay, so once he starts to tap,

1193
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: you can go, oh, then he'll table a faster and

1194
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: then you go oh. And then when he starts to

1195
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: really go, you go, oh, here we go. That's the

1196
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: most satisfying thing. If anyone has anything to add to

1197
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: the Midnight Cat screening rules, I'm going to try to

1198
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: be crowdsourcing them online. So if we can really pull

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: something together, I think anytime there's like a cat, a

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: bad cat, pun something, oh, absolutely something, there's enough. There's enough. Yes,

1201
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: well that that's a great list. Thank you so much

1202
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: for curating that. You can also boom. Mr Mustapole says

1203
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: he continues to fail there when he goes and then

1204
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: you got and then he just starts to say he

1205
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: keep singing. It's well, I never was there ever a

1206
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: cat so clever as magical, Mr Mustapolis. There's never a

1207
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: cat that I want to hook up with in real

1208
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: life as much as oh no again. Um, well, does

1209
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: cats pass the Bechtel test? I believe it does. Yeah,

1210
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: I think so. I believe it does. I think it's

1211
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: a few times with Grizabella and Victoria they talk about

1212
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: things like loneliness and female beauty being fleeting there. Yeah,

1213
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: and then also old Deuteronomy and Victoria she's like, do

1214
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: you want to come to the jocal ball my favorite

1215
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 1: thing that passes the Bechtel test? What is the exact

1216
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: reason where it's like, like Victoria's like, I'm astray, I'm

1217
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: alone in the world, and old dudes like, oh that sucks. Pause.

1218
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to see me make the jellical choice?

1219
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: You're like okay. She basically is like anyways, sorry, but

1220
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: more importantly it passes. Yeah. Um so yeah, we've got

1221
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: We've got not that much interaction, at least not spoken

1222
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: interaction between female characters. I do like how the female

1223
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: cats do nozzle each other. That's good. I could have

1224
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: used a little more like male characters nozzling each other,

1225
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: because I think that would have been I think the

1226
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: um fight the toxic Mr must and Skimble Shanks should nuzzle. Yeah,

1227
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: God damn it. Why doesn't Skimble get black Skimbles a

1228
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: career man. He doesn't have time for a relationship. She's

1229
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: on this train every night. He's got he's got a

1230
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: cat in every city. He's like a touring comedian. Oh

1231
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: all right, so our nipple scale, our our five cat nipples?

1232
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: Uh was zero to five nipples based on its representation

1233
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: of female cats. Oh geez, I guess like I was

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: gonna go to nipples three because I got horny, okay

1235
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: nipples and to James cordon arials. Okay, yeah, I think

1236
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll go with I don't know. I guess it's two

1237
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: between all of the just like the extremely passive female protagonists.

1238
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: But then also you have like female characters lifting each

1239
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: other up and there's a matriarchy. But like again, like

1240
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: this is one of those movies that it's just so trichy,

1241
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: the meo triarchy. It's too outlandish to really apply any

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Speaker 1: sort of like feminist criticism to Celis video job. I know,

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Speaker 1: I'll just go two point five right down the middle

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Speaker 1: because I don't know what else to do. But it

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Speaker 1: is a blast to watch if you're with friends and

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Speaker 1: a big group of people just laughing, laughing it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's and I love it. It has problematic elements. I

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Speaker 1: wish that more had been adjusted for the adaptation, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I I three nipples. I don't care to

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Speaker 1: explain myself at this time. Three cat nipples. They're all

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Speaker 1: going to skambles of course. Okay, how about you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'd give it like maybe two cat nipples,

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Speaker 1: and like a James Cordinary like a Yeah, it's not

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: a good movie. It's not a good movie philosophically. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't really do a good job socially or in the

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Speaker 1: terms in any way a movie really should do. The

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Speaker 1: reason I'm giving it some nipples is I think every

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Speaker 1: everyone acted their little cat hearts out, and I appreciated that,

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Speaker 1: even though it was misplaced and the sheer. There's something

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Speaker 1: to be said about a movie that is so bizarre

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Speaker 1: and bad that it becomes this lightning rod that I

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Speaker 1: think I do value, Like I think that it's it

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Speaker 1: has you know, all these conversations are now happening, So

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Speaker 1: that's in a way that's art true. Yeah, Well, Okay,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me. Where can

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Speaker 1: people find you online? You can find me at pro

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Speaker 1: bird Writes on Twitter, where I make the case for

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Speaker 1: a world of birds and and i'd actually like to

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start making a Bird's musical um with

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Speaker 1: you know, such characters as Mr Cheap Cheap Beep Beep,

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Speaker 1: the Musical Bird and um. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: Katie Golden and I host Creature Feature, a podcast about

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Speaker 1: the animal and human world and how hey, we ain't

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Speaker 1: so different after all. In fact, sometimes we look exactly

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: like hats and move around and rubber nipples everywhere. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: check out Creature Future podcast. It's right here in this

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Speaker 1: network and it's great. You can find us all over

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Speaker 1: the place. Most importantly, we're gonna be going on tour

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Speaker 1: very soon. Yes, we'll be in San Francisco on the second,

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Speaker 1: we will be in Brooklyn on and we will be

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia on the We can go to our website

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Speaker 1: pecktel cast dot com and click on live to see

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Speaker 1: more stuff about that and other shows we're doing. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can find us online wherever, not hard, don't overthink

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Speaker 1: it and just search pecktel Cats and he'll he'll definitely

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Speaker 1: find us. You'll find us, or you'll find some sinister

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Speaker 1: impostor like my Cavity not the cavity drunk here. Uh

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Speaker 1: uh signed for our patreon ak Matreon at Patreon or

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Speaker 1: is it our k cat treat our Patreon, which actually

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Speaker 1: just um that's Patreona calm slash back to cast cat

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Speaker 1: cast uh. And we're doing what movies this one month?

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Speaker 1: We're doing We're doing a net flanuary whatever were we

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Speaker 1: calling it? Janet? And either way it sucks. If we're

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Speaker 1: doing we're doing. The episodes are great. We're doing um

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Speaker 1: someone great and um kissing both. So look out. Joey

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Speaker 1: King just got hit in the head with the golden

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Speaker 1: globe the other day. One of my favorite most recent celebrities.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that. So she was in this mini

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Speaker 1: series that was scary Act with the Act with Patricia Arquette.

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Speaker 1: Tricia Arquette won a golden globe and then accidentally bonked

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Speaker 1: poor Joey. She has some great picks. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: plug Joey King's Instagram. She has a million billion followers,

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Speaker 1: but always good to help. If you want to see

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Speaker 1: her head bonked, that's where you can and catch it

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Speaker 1: um and public dot com slash at the back to

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Speaker 1: the last for we need to we should do a

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Speaker 1: cat's shirt, the Bital cats cat and then it's us

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Speaker 1: but we're uncanny. You look like cats. Okay, I'll get

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Speaker 1: to work right away to the rab Oh my god. Wow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thanks everyone, Ama