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Speaker 1: have a good forty minutes or so tonight with John Middlekoff,
Speaker 1: the former NFL scout. He's got all sorts of great
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. We'll give some Cowboy Eagle thoughts,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Miami thoughts. I want to go on about
Speaker 1: a ten minute start here on the Buffalo Bills lost
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, a game in which I never ever
Speaker 1: felt after the first drive Buffalo would win. When I
Speaker 1: watched Buffalo, Greg Cosell talks about this all the time.
Speaker 1: They just call plays. There's not a lot of rhythms
Speaker 1: to their offense. I like their first drive in the
Speaker 1: second half for Buffalo a lot. They mixed it up
Speaker 1: tight end, wide, receiver back. It felt like more than
Speaker 1: just calling plays. Cincinnati always feels like it's a rhythm offense,
Speaker 1: and it feels like they have an offensive head coach.
Speaker 1: They get out of ruts very quickly. But you know,
Speaker 1: my first thought about Joe Burrow is he reminds me
Speaker 1: of a little bit of Joe Montana and a little
Speaker 1: bit of Tony Romo. He moves like Romo. But I
Speaker 1: can remember watching Joe Montana, and this was, you know,
Speaker 1: long before I know was a talk show host and
Speaker 1: watching Joe Montana. Because I started in television. I didn't
Speaker 1: do this talk show thing until later in my career
Speaker 1: Joe Montana. One of my takeaways from him is I
Speaker 1: could never quite figure out why Joe Montana was so great.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that big, didn't have a great arm. I just
Speaker 1: thought he was sort of situationally and this is very rare.
Speaker 1: He was better in crisis than he was in week five.
Speaker 1: He was better on fourth or third and three than
Speaker 1: he was on first and ten, just situationally excellent. Brady
Speaker 1: often had this, Michael Jordan had this, John Elway had this.
Speaker 1: But that's what I see with Burrow. He's almost a
Speaker 1: better quarterback in crisis. He's more laser focused, more intentional
Speaker 1: with his throws. You know, he'll sling one up occasionally,
Speaker 1: not a wasted throw, but an experimental up the sideline.
Speaker 1: You get him into third and four, fourth down situations.
Speaker 1: He's just as good as they get. And he's got
Speaker 1: the Romo movement with the accuracy and the situational kind
Speaker 1: of excellence of a Joe Montana. And you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't move like Lamar. He doesn't have the gun of
Speaker 1: Mahomes Herbert. He doesn't I don't think have the kind
Speaker 1: of the natural gifts at you know, fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence had and has, but Burrow just makes
Speaker 1: it look so easy all the time. Josh Allen's great,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look easy. There's effort he puts on the
Speaker 1: Superman cape. He jumps over people, he's running past people,
Speaker 1: he's throwing it over people. It doesn't look easy for him.
Speaker 1: He's just excellent. But you know, and you know, with Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I feel like it's just they
Speaker 1: still I've given up hope on the Buffalo Bills developing
Speaker 1: a good run game. Defensive head coach, defensive head coach,
Speaker 1: and offensive lines don't go that well together. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the bottom of the NFL offensive
Speaker 1: line group to a lot of defensive coaches, the tops
Speaker 1: a lot of offensive coaches. I've given up on them
Speaker 1: running the football. So it becomes a very Josh Allen
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs reliant And if you look at the Buffalo
Speaker 1: schedule coming up, this thing's going to get uglier. After
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving at Philadelphia at Kansas City, Dallas Chargers, New England
Speaker 1: at Miami. This was supposed to be the part of
Speaker 1: the schedule where they stacked up w's, but not like
Speaker 1: not like their super Bowl window closed because I don't
Speaker 1: even know if it was ever open with Mahomes in
Speaker 1: the AFC. Just kind of feel like at some point,
Speaker 1: I say this all the time about quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 1: find yourself always blaming the play calling, the coordinator or
Speaker 1: drop passes like they do with Kenny Pickett and Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: you don't have a great quarterback. I mean c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud right now has more career touchdown passes than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1: He's played eight games, eight or nine. C J. Stroud
Speaker 1: is it. He's a franchise guy. Kenny Pickett a little
Speaker 1: bit of a fraud. Like if you're blaming that's the
Speaker 1: New York Giants with Daniel Jones before he was hurt.
Speaker 1: Today it was always play calling. You're blaming the right tackle,
Speaker 1: drop passes. You don't have the right quarterback. I've said
Speaker 1: this before. Justin Herbert put up record numbers with Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn and the lowest rated offensive line in the league
Speaker 1: and put up rookie numbers. Well, you had Mike Williams
Speaker 1: and Keenan Allen when they were healthy. Mike Williams again
Speaker 1: out for the year when they were healthy. Either have
Speaker 1: a guy or you don't Joe Burrow got to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl with a bad offensive line. I just kind
Speaker 1: of look at Buffalo and Josh Allen and I and again,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel with quarterbacks. But I also feel
Speaker 1: that way with coaches, Like, at some point with Sean McDermott, well,
Speaker 1: it's not just that the players are injured. It's not
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen, it's not on the coordinators. Who's running
Speaker 1: this circus. It's the coach again, Zach Taylor, we had
Speaker 1: questions about he got Brown to a super Bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, we all know Andy Reid is a great coach.
Speaker 1: But you start looking around and the Bills have had
Speaker 1: the best safety tandem for years. They have a star receiver,
Speaker 1: Alan's in is what sixth or seventh year, They've had
Speaker 1: a good pass rush, they have a home field advantage,
Speaker 1: They've got declining New England, the goofy Jets and Miami
Speaker 1: that doesn't play any defense in their division, and they're
Speaker 1: battling for their lives right now. So at some point
Speaker 1: with Sean McDermott, you're running this thing. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear excuses quarterbacks and coaches. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear excuses Andy Reid was getting the NFC championships with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I didn't even like right, like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it. I mean, it's taken Sean Payton about eight games,
Speaker 1: and then you watch Denver with all the issues he
Speaker 1: had to overcome. Russell Wilson's passer ratings in the one hundred.
Speaker 1: They're running the football and they just beat the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and Sean Payton's been asked to change the culture, fix
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you know, get the receivers to mature. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been asked to do all these things, and then
Speaker 1: I watch him beat the Chiefs. Takes them about eight weeks.
Speaker 1: They got a run game, they got younger on defense.
Speaker 1: He's playing the young guys. Russell Wilson now is a
Speaker 1: complimentary quarterback. He figured it out. So I've given up
Speaker 1: in their run game with Sean McDermott. The offensive line
Speaker 1: is okay, it's still a Josh Allen reliant offense with
Speaker 1: no real rhythm, and the defense isn't as good as
Speaker 1: it was several years ago. So that's kind of my takeaway.
Speaker 1: Buffalo a really talented team. I think they have the quarterback,
Speaker 1: but at some point you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear excuses. I've just seen so many coaches. Look go
Speaker 1: what Demko Ryans is doing with Houston. That's a suboptimal owner,
Speaker 1: missing offensive lineman the first month of the season, rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: rookie play caller, and Houston just figuring out how to
Speaker 1: win games in the AFC. They're just figuring out how
Speaker 1: to win games, right Like, I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: it with Sean McDermott. The Bills right now, this second,
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills are ninth in the AFC. Come on,
Speaker 1: no more finger pointing. Buffalo is a smaller town like
Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh or a Green Bay. Owners tend to be
Speaker 1: more loyal, the media is more supportive. But I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, there's just you go so many years and
Speaker 1: by the way, coaches, like quarterbacks can have ceilings, Sean McDermott,
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Knox, a legendary Buffalo coach, went to
Speaker 1: the Seahawks later kind of had a ceiling, right Marty
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer felt like he could turn a football operation around,
Speaker 1: very conservative though ultimately had a ceiling. That's kind of
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. I feel like as the sport is pivoted
Speaker 1: to offense. He does a very good job organizationally to
Speaker 1: turn the Buffalo Bills around, But I think he's sort
Speaker 1: of I feel like this is it, Like he's not growing.
Speaker 1: He lost a great coordinator and dable Ken Dorsey's fine,
Speaker 1: but doesn't feel special. And I don't feel like the
Speaker 1: team's getting better. Not just players have ceilings, coaches do too.
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Speaker 1: All right, it's our customary thirty thirty five minute Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Monday morning podcast with John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout
Speaker 1: three and out podcast on the volume. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and Philadelphia I thought Dallas buy and large
Speaker 1: outplayed them, got a couple of officiating breaks that didn't
Speaker 1: go their way. You know, they missed a touchdown by
Speaker 1: about the length of a football. I thought Philadelphia was
Speaker 1: super conservative on their last two or three drives. This
Speaker 1: is one of those rare What a great loss this was.
Speaker 1: You may get one of those every year. I thought
Speaker 1: Dallas outplayed him.
Speaker 2: What say you, yeah, I'd have to agree.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that hurts though, if you're Dallas
Speaker 3: and this goes back to early in the season losing
Speaker 3: that Arizona game. Now that two game, you got three losses,
Speaker 3: they got one. I thought coming into this game, Dallas
Speaker 3: had to prove that they could win a gritty game,
Speaker 3: because the way they win is they blow people out.
Speaker 3: And this game was right there for him to win.
Speaker 3: I mean, Dak for the most part was brilliant. I
Speaker 3: would say that's one of the better games he's played
Speaker 3: years now that the sacks not totally his fault. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's under siege, but several sacks on the last two
Speaker 3: drives are killers. I mean they really are. Put you
Speaker 3: in third and twenty the last you know, you got
Speaker 3: to go for the end zone. And the last play.
Speaker 3: But overall, I'm with you. It's a good loss because
Speaker 3: Dallas showed a lot of toughness. They showed that their
Speaker 3: quarterback could match you. But ultimately it's a numbers game
Speaker 3: and it almost I don't want to say the division's over,
Speaker 3: but I think it's going to be very, very difficult.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Dallas is just kind of headed back to that wild
Speaker 3: card spot again and having a you know, their trajectory
Speaker 3: in the playoffs are.
Speaker 2: Just road games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also, as you point out, this
Speaker 1: is the kind of game Dallas doesn't win, and it's
Speaker 1: the kind of game Philadelphia constantly wins. So Dallas comes
Speaker 1: out of this thing and feels pretty good. And you
Speaker 1: want to say to yourself, have you been watching Philadelphia
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts for two years? This is how they
Speaker 1: win any game. Line And by the way, I picked
Speaker 1: Philly to cover and win. And my whole play was
Speaker 1: best third down team in the league, best fourth down
Speaker 1: team Situationally, they'll pick up enough first downs to win.
Speaker 1: And I didn't love their last couple of drives, but
Speaker 1: this really is their formula. They get a lead, they
Speaker 1: have such a great pass rush, they're excellent Situationally, you know, again,
Speaker 1: Dak doesn't step out of bounds, they get the two
Speaker 1: point conversion. But I think to your point, you know,
Speaker 1: Dak holding onto the ball just a step too long
Speaker 1: is the difference. It is interesting this these playoffs. First
Speaker 1: of all, if you have to go back to Philly,
Speaker 1: they're great at home. Detroit great at home. Seattle if
Speaker 1: you have to face them, great at home. Not every team, right,
Speaker 1: not every team is really. I mean the Rams home
Speaker 1: and away doesn't really matter. Cincinnati is the same team
Speaker 1: Homer away. But when I watch the NFC, these are
Speaker 1: teams at home. Golf is a much better home quarterback
Speaker 1: than road. Philadelphia is special. So I thought this game
Speaker 1: was crucial. I don't want to overstate it, but it
Speaker 1: felt big.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, you talked about them getting conservative
Speaker 3: at the end. I mean, I think he's a little
Speaker 3: compromised the quarterback. Jalen Hurts. Yeah, so you can't run
Speaker 3: him around. Really, he's not really a great like slant,
Speaker 3: you know, quick passing game guy. He excels on those
Speaker 3: go routes, but on third and five to ice the game,
Speaker 3: those aren't ideal routes to run.
Speaker 2: I mean even greg Olsen at the end of the games.
Speaker 2: I don't love that.
Speaker 3: You know, on on third and long, you want to
Speaker 3: run that on first and second or down, But that's
Speaker 3: kind of their style. Now, Ultimately, what separates them is
Speaker 3: that pass rush. They have so many guys. They think
Speaker 3: how many guys impacted Dak Prescott those final two drives.
Speaker 3: It's not just Hassan Reddickdick, It's Brandon yeah, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3: I mean, they just got guy after guy after guy,
Speaker 3: their secondaries flying around. Now the hard part of your Dallas,
Speaker 3: I mean your two star offensive weapons. I thought Polard
Speaker 3: was flying around, Ceedee Lamb was dominant, the tight end
Speaker 3: was playing really good.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like you said, it's not a bad
Speaker 3: loss by any means, just in a vacuum that individual game,
Speaker 3: but in the grand scheme of things, when you had
Speaker 3: a chance to win, and really, let's face it, the
Speaker 3: game was kind of one. They're leading at halftime, the
Speaker 3: Eagles come out, score back to back touchdowns and take
Speaker 3: complete control again, and then the Cowboys are on their
Speaker 3: heels and playing catch up the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: One of the things that did drive me nuts on
Speaker 1: that final drive for Dallas is they really played Philadelphia
Speaker 1: for big chunks. But situationally, a delay of game an
Speaker 1: illegal motion. This is where Dallas struggles. It's just in
Speaker 1: the details. You can't have delay of games when you're
Speaker 1: down there, right, I know you don't have timeouts.
Speaker 2: What are you delaying, let alone penalties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so again it's crisis management. That's where I think
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is really really good. And that's and that's strange
Speaker 1: because they have a young coordinator, a young head coach,
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. Dak and McCarthy and Shot and I
Speaker 1: have ever been around their sport combined forever, and Philadelphia has
Speaker 1: got all the kids, and yet they're so good situationally.
Speaker 3: One thing we were talking about, I think it was
Speaker 3: after the Cowboys got destroyed by the Niners, is Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott's not moving around anymore and his game is not
Speaker 3: predicated on dominating the pocket. He clearly the last three
Speaker 3: or four weeks his mobility is back. He's become a
Speaker 3: good playmaker again. I mean, how many plays today did
Speaker 3: he make? Keeping plays alive, extending it with his legs,
Speaker 3: eyes up, and then throwing the ball down the field
Speaker 3: countless times? If that's the version they're going to get
Speaker 3: out of deck beside the Eagles.
Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna beat a lot of teams with
Speaker 2: that version of their quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know it's I look at the
Speaker 1: NFC now and I think Philadelphia is the best team
Speaker 1: in the NFC. I'm not sure there is a second
Speaker 1: Seattle Gino Smith's never gonna host a trophy. Okay, So
Speaker 1: San Francisco, I think we're over dramatizing their struggles.
Speaker 3: The next couple of weeks are big for them, though.
Speaker 3: I mean, they got they gotta come out firing again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they could kick field goals. They went
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and you're on a two game skid. Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: really good at the AFC. Early the first month, the
Speaker 1: NFC beat the AFC. Since then, Jaguars look good, Bengals
Speaker 1: look good. Chiefs figure out ways to win. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Ravens are on fire. You know it,
Speaker 1: just what happens, John is Eventually the truth comes out.
Speaker 1: Sunny football can benefit offenses. They're really gifted teams. Almost
Speaker 1: all to me outside of Philadelphia are all AFC. I
Speaker 1: do like San Francisco, I think they'll be back but
Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons I like Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: think they're built for November December football. I think their
Speaker 1: dames are going to look a lot like this where
Speaker 1: you're criticizing them a little here, you're criticizing you don't
Speaker 1: love their corners. But I think this, what we just
Speaker 1: watched is why they're going to get to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl again. Is that this is how they play. John
Speaker 1: winning ugly is a talent, and they win ugly. I mean, God,
Speaker 1: the Commander's game was a mess. They win ugly. It's
Speaker 1: like their formula.
Speaker 3: Well I got her today, he gets ripped down, who knows,
Speaker 3: he's ruled out immediately, maybe breaks his arm. But they'd
Speaker 3: be able to handle that pretty easily for a four
Speaker 3: or five week stretch without him, because they got aj Brown,
Speaker 3: they got Devonte Smith, they got multiple running backs. The
Speaker 3: one thing that would make you nervous, because I'm with you,
Speaker 3: the dB play a lot of teams in this league
Speaker 3: that are really good. Complaint about their corners. You know,
Speaker 3: if you have a good pass rush, you're going to
Speaker 3: be in it to win it. The quarterback literally is
Speaker 3: just taking a lot of hits. He's pretty banged up.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the irony of getting rid of Harden
Speaker 3: this week, who constantly weigs a white flag, and then
Speaker 3: having that guy in the same city who just you
Speaker 3: think for a second, you're like, got it. He just
Speaker 3: sprained his knee and he kind of shakes it off
Speaker 3: and he comes back. But he's not quite the same
Speaker 3: spry player that he was right twelve months ago. So
Speaker 3: his ceiling, I mean, part of the reason they were
Speaker 3: right in it to win the Super Bowl against Mahomes
Speaker 3: because he was brilliant this version.
Speaker 2: He still throws a great.
Speaker 3: Go ball, but movement wise, he's not quite as quick,
Speaker 3: and probably it's because his knee is banged up, and
Speaker 3: that to me is the only concern. The way he
Speaker 3: plays is pretty predicated on obviously throwing the ball, but
Speaker 3: movement and right now, movement wise, they're hesitant to call
Speaker 3: him runs and rightfully, so you don't want to get
Speaker 3: him hurt, but to reach their ceiling and to win
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, which clearly they have a super Bowl
Speaker 3: level team. To me, it's on his health. Can he
Speaker 3: be He's never going to be one hundred percent, but
Speaker 3: can he be ninety percent going into the playoffs, or
Speaker 3: is he more like seventy five percent going to the play.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I do want to talk Kansas City Miami.
Speaker 1: I thought Kansas City made a complete statement in the
Speaker 1: first half, and then, like Philadelphia, you feel like they're
Speaker 1: kind of holding on. I will say this about Kansas
Speaker 1: City though, they have a clear hole and it's never
Speaker 1: going to be a strength. They're just not special wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Now their first drive, they gave you a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. I do think this receiving group will get better.
Speaker 1: It's young, there's no number one. I'm not sure there's
Speaker 1: a number two. But I'll tell you that first half
Speaker 1: defense against Miami that was one of the more impressive
Speaker 1: first halfs. I mean, Miami was just the speed this
Speaker 1: is without Bolton, the speed of Kansas City's defense. So
Speaker 1: I as I sat and watched that first half, I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, that's the conference. And
Speaker 1: then in the second half they didn't already have a
Speaker 1: second third gear. What did you make of Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I came away and pressed because they flew in very
Speaker 1: late for this thing. Totally sees control early. But they
Speaker 1: can't put people away this year. John, They're not putting
Speaker 1: people away.
Speaker 3: Well, they're gonna struggle to score twenty five points. I
Speaker 3: mean they just are the underrated part about them because
Speaker 3: Mahomes Kelsey now, especially this Kelsey over the last month,
Speaker 3: and Andy Reid take up so much oxygen. They're kind
Speaker 3: of a defensive team. I mean, Hill and Waddle had
Speaker 3: one hundred yards one hundred and four yards total. Like,
Speaker 3: if you're holding those guys to around one hundred yards,
Speaker 3: you're gonna beat them. They're twenty one nothing in half. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the game's over. I thought there was a
Speaker 3: lot more pressure. Kansas City's now proven exactly who they
Speaker 3: are over a five year stretch. Like, I'm pretty confident
Speaker 3: when the dust settles, they're gonna be in the mix
Speaker 3: in the divisional round and more than likely the championship
Speaker 3: game in the AFC. This was kind of a proven
Speaker 3: game for Miami, right you lose to Philly in Buffalo. Granted,
Speaker 3: now both on the road. You get a neutral site game,
Speaker 3: you fly out there on Monday and you're down twenty
Speaker 3: one nothing at half, twenty one nothing in half, and.
Speaker 2: Like you said, this ain't the Chiefs first rodeo. Check
Speaker 2: out a little bit.
Speaker 3: They're not explosive enough on off to just take off,
Speaker 3: but they make enough plays when they have to. Miami
Speaker 3: kind of gets a freak fumble there in the second
Speaker 3: half for Mahomes, right, But to me, this was the
Speaker 3: Chiefs established in the first half, like you're not on
Speaker 3: our level, just like Buffalo and Philly said that earlier.
Speaker 3: And listen, Miami's a fun story their coaches and needs
Speaker 3: to get to root for when they're rolling their fun
Speaker 3: team to watch. But I think it's pretty clear whatever
Speaker 3: the upper echelant tier in the AFC is. Obviously, Baltimore's
Speaker 3: in it, Kansas City's in it. I think Cincinnati's in it.
Speaker 3: Buffalo they are not. You know, yeah, and that was
Speaker 3: we don't even need to argue that anymore. I think
Speaker 3: the only question now is could they win a playoff game.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet on them because it's going to be
Speaker 3: more likely a road playoff game. That's what they're going
Speaker 3: to get back to back playoffs. Obviously the franchise is
Speaker 3: head in the right direction, but in terms of like
Speaker 3: AFC contenders, it is not the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's I've always liked to but I've
Speaker 1: never loved him, and I do think when you speed
Speaker 1: the game up, and he had a couple drops today.
Speaker 1: But to your point, if you look at the history
Speaker 1: of football, the great teams have always been able to grind.
Speaker 1: Even the Niners with Walsh Taylor, Joe Montana defense, those teams,
Speaker 1: those are great defense. And we never talked about that defense.
Speaker 1: And the reason we don't is because it's Joe Montana,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, real defense, Pro bowlers everywhere.
Speaker 3: About some of the home grin Packer teams with Reggie
Speaker 3: White and you know, Leroy Butler and some of those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one of the knocks on the Packers.
Speaker 1: You say, why not Farvan Rodgers win more? Well, they
Speaker 1: have when they have their best defenses in those quarterbacks careers.
Speaker 1: And so even Peyton Manning go back to the Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning team that won a Super Bowl in Indy that
Speaker 1: was one of the best defenses he ever had. So
Speaker 1: I just think Miami is fun. I've been saying this.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins are the city. It's a lot of fake
Speaker 1: Gucci loafers, and you know Rolex is that if you
Speaker 1: shower turn green. They're fun. They're interesting, But as the
Speaker 1: season progresses, they're just not built for this. And it's funny.
Speaker 1: As much as I like Tyreek Hill and Jadall and Waddle,
Speaker 1: you probably are best served to give up Waddle eventually
Speaker 1: and just go get some more defensive help. That's my
Speaker 1: take on them, is that this coach, this quarterback, Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: you're gonna score points in this sport. You've got to
Speaker 1: get better on your line play because that to me
Speaker 1: today with Kansas City it was like, oh, they they
Speaker 1: just can't block certain people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean offensive line when they were healthy was
Speaker 3: a good coming into the season. The good thing you
Speaker 3: have to feel if you have Miami is sometimes the
Speaker 3: hardest thing to get obviously is the quarterback, but also
Speaker 3: the coaching staff. Mike McDaniel was clearly a very innovative,
Speaker 3: young offensive coach, and Vic Fangio now has kind of
Speaker 3: proven to the spot like he's not gonna be head
Speaker 3: coach anymore. So you got him, keep paying him a premium.
Speaker 3: You got that in play. Just get more defensive pieces.
Speaker 3: You have to be good at the line of scrimmage
Speaker 3: in this conference, because one, you got to rush the
Speaker 3: passer to beat the Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: And you have to be able to block. I mean,
Speaker 3: you watch the Ravens today, obviously, the Steelers. Now the
Speaker 3: Chiefs have you know, kind of you know, revitalize their defense.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to neutralize other teams fronts,
Speaker 3: all these Cleveland, all these teams now have.
Speaker 2: Multiple pass rushers.
Speaker 3: You know, every team has like one hundred million dollar
Speaker 3: guy and then like a guy probably making a fifty
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. So if you can't block, you look
Speaker 3: at Dallas down the stretch. They just they were relentless
Speaker 3: with all the pass rushers. And it's the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: What do they do.
Speaker 3: They went and got Chase Young, they got another guy.
Speaker 3: So you just rushed the pass or rushed the pass
Speaker 3: to rushed the passer and you can get away sometimes
Speaker 3: with guys like me and you covering you know, offensive
Speaker 3: weapons in the secondary if you can, you know, impact
Speaker 3: the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I had said this when I watched Baltimore's first
Speaker 1: half against Tennessee and London a month ago, I said this,
Speaker 1: this is the best Lamar has been and this may
Speaker 1: be the best team in the league. And I've had
Speaker 1: them number one last several weeks and heard hierarchy Baltimore
Speaker 1: and Seattle before I get to Baltimore. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I've always sort of worried about with defensive coaches,
Speaker 1: they don't do well with o lines. They can't reboot them.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many years is Pittsburgh Buffalo those defensive
Speaker 1: coaches going to get with that offensive line play. The
Speaker 1: second thing I worry about is sometimes they don't sense
Speaker 1: urgency with a quarterback Mike Tomlin Kenny Pickett. That's just
Speaker 1: not good enough in the AFC, It's just simply not
Speaker 1: good enough. What happens when you can't pay all these
Speaker 1: defensive players and you have to pay Kenny Pickett, You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay both these receivers. Like, so, this
Speaker 1: is the time to win, and there's a true ceiling
Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh Seattle. Gino Smith, Drew Locke and Gino Smith
Speaker 1: are not it. I do think Seattle is unique in
Speaker 1: that they don't have a bunch of needs. Now after
Speaker 1: getting a corner and a receiver in the first round
Speaker 1: last year and they're both really good, they can go
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round and get a
Speaker 1: bow Nicks. They can go, Yeah, you know, Pennix won't
Speaker 1: be available, so that worries me. But the thing about Baltimore,
Speaker 1: he's now Lamar Jackson seventeen and one against the NFC,
Speaker 1: So think about this. Their concern is the AFC if
Speaker 1: he got to a Super Bowl. If you've never faced Lamar,
Speaker 1: Detroit and Seattle teams absolutely discombobulated. You have nobody at
Speaker 1: practice to comp it with. And to me, the only
Speaker 1: way to beat Lamar is, oh, we've seen him four times.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to the Chargers people remember his rookie year.
Speaker 1: The first time they faced him, they were lost. The
Speaker 1: second time they had a better sense of it. They're like,
Speaker 1: there's nobody like him in the league. And I I mean,
Speaker 1: I just watched today and I'm like, Seattle. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I talk myself out of that game because
Speaker 1: I love Baltimore, but I kind of feel like, if
Speaker 1: Baltimore gets to a Super Bowl, John, I'm taking them,
Speaker 1: and I'm taking them in a route because I don't
Speaker 1: think I think the Cincinnatis and Kansas City's that is
Speaker 1: the only way to beat him.
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, Seattle in Detroit two
Speaker 3: of their last three games. Those teams, you know, Seattle
Speaker 3: probably win ten to eleven. Detroit's gonna win twelve thirteen.
Speaker 3: You're talking twenty four wins. You could argue both those
Speaker 3: games were over in the first quarter. The Detroit game
Speaker 3: definitely was this game early in the second quarter. This
Speaker 3: thing was over. So they, like you said, dismantled, embarrassed.
Speaker 3: Now they got them both at home, but still, I
Speaker 3: mean their high end. Romo mentioned this on the broadcast,
Speaker 3: Lamar's playing at a really high level. The Za Flowers
Speaker 3: pick looks awesome. Their defense is playing really, really well,
Speaker 3: really well. So we just talked about it with Rogers
Speaker 3: and Farv. When you get now with Mahomes, when you
Speaker 3: get MVP level quarterback play and you have top flight defense.
Speaker 3: We've seen the forty nine ers make runs with like
Speaker 3: a quarterback who's hovering between like the fifteenth and sixteenth guy.
Speaker 3: You give me a top five quarterback and a top
Speaker 3: five defense, like, you really have no excuse if you're
Speaker 3: playing well to not be in the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 3: if you're just doing the power rankings, given how they're
Speaker 3: playing right now, I think I don't know how you
Speaker 3: would argue that the rave No team is playing better
Speaker 3: than the Ravens as a complete football team. And the
Speaker 3: thing is Lamar to me, is just better than he's
Speaker 3: ever been, just in under complete control. It's not all
Speaker 3: predicated on running. I was nervous when they brought in
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. They talk passing, passing, passing, and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: you don't want to take away what he does. Really well,
Speaker 3: they've like blended it perfectly.
Speaker 2: The one problem is Greg Roman.
Speaker 3: They couldn't pass and maybe it was the Za Flowers
Speaker 3: edition has really helped.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's really fantastic.
Speaker 3: Addition, he's he's a really young, awesome player, and that's
Speaker 3: a good pick. And they're good drafting teams, so you
Speaker 3: shouldn't shouldn't be surprised. You know, I can I touch
Speaker 3: on one day.
Speaker 2: I I don't want to. What a awful day for
Speaker 2: the Patriot dynasty.
Speaker 3: Belichick loses to a team that trades away as to
Speaker 3: their two best players. Josh McDaniel's bet offense looks like
Speaker 3: Kenny Stabler was back today. They get rid of him
Speaker 3: and obviously the story that Jay Glazer talked about, they
Speaker 3: couldn't stand the guy. And then on the other end,
Speaker 3: Brian day Ball, you know former Patriot guy gets destroyed
Speaker 3: in that game. I mean today, if it wasn't for
Speaker 3: Cassario and C. J. Stroud, the Patriot dynasty would basically
Speaker 3: be completely dead. I think the one term that you
Speaker 3: heard with the Josh firing that I've heard forever in
Speaker 3: New England that people dealt with when you were winning,
Speaker 3: that when you're not, or even if you're just not
Speaker 3: making playoff runs, people like I'm out is the walking
Speaker 3: on eggshells.
Speaker 2: And that worked historically in football.
Speaker 3: And listen, even as society changes, you still get yelled
Speaker 3: at in football, but it is completely different than what
Speaker 3: happened in the seventies, eighties and nineties. Currently in the NFL,
Speaker 3: and think about Andy Reid, who's the best coach right
Speaker 3: now in the sport, He's never really been like that.
Speaker 2: That's not his style. Hell, even think of Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: who's kind of resurrected his team much more of a positive,
Speaker 2: optimistic guy. The Belichick guys in general, all they know
Speaker 2: is kind of negativity, walking on eggshells.
Speaker 3: That doesn't really work with the coach. With the guys
Speaker 3: you're coaching now under thirty, just look at the way
Speaker 3: society work. That's not how people respond. But that's all
Speaker 3: they know. So Belichick right now, everyone's always on edge.
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels had everyone on edge. That's you're not going
Speaker 3: to be productive. Whether you have the high end talent
Speaker 3: or whether you don't, you nowhere near gonna maximize loot.
Speaker 3: Look at college now, Jim Harbaugh lightened up a little bit.
Speaker 3: They became offensively explosive. Nick Sabe and Kirby Smart much
Speaker 3: more pro offense just kind of it just makes you
Speaker 3: happier Belichick and Josh and Dab. But these guys are
Speaker 3: kind angry.
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia Matt Stafford couldn't stand Matt Patria.
Speaker 3: Loosen up guys, but they don't. And I think all
Speaker 3: these guys talk about I'm gonna be my own guy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be my own guy when you work for
Speaker 3: I don't care if you work for Steve Jobs or
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos. If you spent all your time around whoever
Speaker 3: the most successful guy is in your industry for years
Speaker 3: upon years, how would you not emulate him and try
Speaker 3: to be like him even when you're thinking about being
Speaker 3: yourself And it fails time and time again. Bill screwed
Speaker 3: because their team isn't very talented, and these other guys
Speaker 3: constantly fail because I think they just they tend to
Speaker 3: be negative like Bill, because they've seen it firsthand and
Speaker 3: they've seen it work. But I just don't think it works.
Speaker 3: I think you talked about last week.
Speaker 2: Remove Brady. He is the dynasty. I think he could just.
Speaker 3: Handle the negativity and everyone kind of loosened up below
Speaker 3: him in the locker room. But it doesn't work once
Speaker 3: you go to these other places, and now Bill like
Speaker 3: yelling at mac Jones, he goes into a shell.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I think there's a lot about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we go, I do want to talk about one
Speaker 1: college note. So I don't know if Washington can win
Speaker 1: a national champion ship, but what a showcase of game
Speaker 1: it was for the Huskies. I said, their defense is bad,
Speaker 1: but at least they're usually in the right place. USC
Speaker 1: fired Alex Grinch, their defensive coordinator, which I mean, if
Speaker 1: you watch the game, and if you've watched the last month,
Speaker 1: he stands alone by himself in the sidelines. They're in
Speaker 1: the wrong place. And these are guys that have played
Speaker 1: Kaylon Bullock, who is that all American safety has regressed.
Speaker 1: One of The first things I look at is do
Speaker 1: players get better? USC's offensive guys do none of their
Speaker 1: defensive guys do none of them get better? So I
Speaker 1: don't know if USC will go out and spend a
Speaker 1: lot of money on the defensive coordinator. But how do
Speaker 1: you view this season and Lincoln Riley's sort of legacy.
Speaker 1: I know it's early in his career to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but I always viewed him as potentially an NFL guy,
Speaker 1: and my takeaway now is he's not. He just has
Speaker 1: no McVeigh chest out Alpha loves defense, Shanahan loves physicality.
Speaker 1: Shanahan don't care about special teams, but he loves defense.
Speaker 1: Right Andy Reid spags Andy accept realizes what defense is.
Speaker 1: Lincoln doesn't even he didn't have a special teams coach.
Speaker 1: He's lobsided as a coach. What do you think his
Speaker 1: legacy right now is?
Speaker 2: Well, I think and listen.
Speaker 3: I it's easy to crush him right now, Like probably
Speaker 3: most people, when they hired him, it was a no
Speaker 3: brainer hire you had to do it.
Speaker 2: But I think when you look back, the Big twelve.
Speaker 3: Is not very good and no one plays defense, and
Speaker 3: he was able to take advantage of it. He ran
Speaker 3: into clearly the best year the Pac twelve has had
Speaker 3: in a long time. He's kind of getting worked right.
Speaker 3: He loses to Utah, he loses this game, He's going
Speaker 3: to be a huge underdog this upcoming week. You know,
Speaker 3: to Oregon. UCLA's leaking oil a little bit. But I
Speaker 3: think it's a disaster Colin. Simply put, I think it's
Speaker 3: one of the biggest underachievements given the quarterback playing offense.
Speaker 3: Because when you're at a program like this, you have
Speaker 3: unlimited resources to hire the best and the brightest. You know,
Speaker 3: when you look at some of these other college coaches,
Speaker 3: they go to like the Baltimore raven to get their
Speaker 3: secondary coach and make him, you know, their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Just hell, Chip Kelly's defensive coordinators, Anthony Lynn's sun who
Speaker 3: if you look at his resume, had been in the
Speaker 3: NFL for the last decade, came from the Ravens, And
Speaker 3: what is UCLA.
Speaker 2: A lot better on defense.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I don't know, if you tell me
Speaker 3: who Lincoln's next defensive coordinator, I would not be very
Speaker 3: confident that you're going to go.
Speaker 2: That's a no brainer choice, right because you.
Speaker 3: Look at the guys that his We talked about it
Speaker 3: last week when they were, you know, lose to Utah.
Speaker 2: Where'd he find this guy?
Speaker 3: Well, he was a Mike Leech guy, right, That's it's
Speaker 3: a connection thing. And he's not to me part of
Speaker 3: going to the NFL too. Think of some of the
Speaker 3: coaches that went to the NFL from college, most recently,
Speaker 3: Beside Harbaugh, who was an NFL guy, Urban Meyer never
Speaker 3: coached today. Didn't know what to do, and he was
Speaker 3: completely over his head. Chip is a good example of
Speaker 3: a guy that had some success, but his problem is
Speaker 3: he didn't know any defensive coaches, so he couldn't hire
Speaker 3: very good defensive coordinators and that was always his downfall.
Speaker 3: And now Lincoln is kind of going through the in
Speaker 3: college and I go back to Pete Carroll era.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's staff was really, really good.
Speaker 3: It had a perfect blend of like young up and
Speaker 3: coming guys like the Sarks and the Lanes, and then
Speaker 3: the older Norm Chows, Ken Norton's, the recruiters, the NFL experience,
Speaker 3: the young offensive, innovative guys. And I just look, I go,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, because when he took over
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma, it was Bob Stoop's brother.
Speaker 2: He inherited.
Speaker 3: They ultimately fired him for this guy, and it's just
Speaker 3: kind of unraveled and he brings them with him. I
Speaker 3: don't have much confidence that he's going to hire a
Speaker 3: guy that people are going to feel very, very good about,
Speaker 3: because I also think it's a culture in the way
Speaker 3: you practice. When you practice like he does with his
Speaker 3: offensive style, you don't really create a tough physicality. That's
Speaker 3: always what people have said defensive coaches whenever you met
Speaker 3: him at these spread offensive schools, and specifically the air
Speaker 3: raid type schools. And I know he's not true air
Speaker 3: raid anymore. It's like hard to improve the toughness on
Speaker 3: a daily basis on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in practice.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's I don't think it's a coincidence. Tomlin,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Mike Rablink. The essence of their physicality, the
Speaker 1: essence of their personality, The way they structure practice is
Speaker 1: more physical. I mean every verbal team, every Tomlin team.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though they're an offensive team more than defense,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, it's a physical offense. They can run the ball,
Speaker 1: is think I think sometimes with Mike McDaniel and Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1: I think they're really clever offensively and really smart, and
Speaker 1: I think they structure their culture and their program and
Speaker 1: their practice like that, and it's really smart and clever.
Speaker 1: But do they build the toughness? Is that part of
Speaker 1: the personality? And I just I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: coincidence sometimes that the same kind of physical, kind of
Speaker 1: big physical men. Don't you think they structure practice differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I'm not blaming Caleb because you gotta
Speaker 3: sign Caleb. You had to pay Caleb to get them.
Speaker 3: Every team in the country would have done that. But
Speaker 3: I do think when the way they've built it, it
Speaker 3: was also Caleb heavy that it almost sucked the oxygen
Speaker 3: out of everything else. And you watch it this year
Speaker 3: and the last couple weeks haven't been his fault. The
Speaker 3: Notre Dame game, he wasn't very good, but it just
Speaker 3: feels like if he is not because even you go
Speaker 3: back to some of the heyday Pete Carroll teams or
Speaker 3: some of those good Harball teams or Chip Kelly teams,
Speaker 3: it was never all about Mariota or Lucke or Matt
Speaker 3: Lion or it was a they were more complete team
Speaker 3: and this thing just felt like a basketball team. It
Speaker 3: was like Kayleb Williams and then everyone else. And that
Speaker 3: is not the way you win in football.
Speaker 2: It's just not.
Speaker 3: And they've been clearly exploited. Even Washington is a good example.
Speaker 3: They're best players are quarterback, but they don't. He wasn't
Speaker 3: I would say otherworldly against USC. Running back came through defense,
Speaker 3: got some big stops. You watch Oregon, they're complete team.
Speaker 3: Look at what Nick Saban's doing. You talk to any
Speaker 3: NFL scout, They're like, this is the least talented team
Speaker 3: in like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he's gonna be back in the
Speaker 2: SEC championship game, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think Mike McDaniel and Lincoln Riley, I do
Speaker 1: think they're brilliant guys. Sure are regressing quickly as the
Speaker 1: season goes on. This sport always gets back to physicality
Speaker 1: and toughness and resilience and playing hurt and situational football
Speaker 1: and making stops. As much fun as it is to watch,
Speaker 1: Caleb or Tua or Tyreek Hill just got to be
Speaker 1: better and more physical situationally. And I mean they had
Speaker 1: a goal line stand USC did They must have had
Speaker 1: six safeties and corners on the field. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: it's like a two team too small. Great John Middlecoff,
Speaker 1: former NFL's gout great as always, Buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Have good week on see the volume all right.
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