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Speaker 3: And this game was right there for him to win.

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Speaker 3: But overall, I'm with you. It's a good loss because

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Speaker 3: Dallas is just kind of headed back to that wild

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Speaker 2: Just road games.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't love their last couple of drives, but

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, you talked about them getting conservative

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Speaker 3: that pass rush. They have so many guys. They think

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Speaker 3: how many guys impacted Dak Prescott those final two drives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just got guy after guy after guy,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like you said, it's not a bad

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Speaker 1: One of the things that did drive me nuts on

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Speaker 3: One thing we were talking about, I think it was

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Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna beat a lot of teams with

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Speaker 1: Seattle Gino Smith's never gonna host a trophy. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: just what happens, John is Eventually the truth comes out.

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Speaker 1: Sunny football can benefit offenses. They're really gifted teams. Almost

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Speaker 1: you're criticizing them a little here, you're criticizing you don't

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Speaker 3: Well I got her today, he gets ripped down, who knows,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking the irony of getting rid of Harden

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I do want to talk Kansas City Miami.

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Speaker 1: I came away and pressed because they flew in very

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Speaker 3: Well, they're gonna struggle to score twenty five points. I

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Speaker 3: lot more pressure. Kansas City's now proven exactly who they

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Speaker 3: They're not explosive enough on off to just take off,

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Speaker 3: but they make enough plays when they have to. Miami

429
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Speaker 3: kind of gets a freak fumble there in the second

430
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Speaker 3: half for Mahomes, right, But to me, this was the

431
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 3: Chiefs established in the first half, like you're not on

432
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: our level, just like Buffalo and Philly said that earlier.

433
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: And listen, Miami's a fun story their coaches and needs

434
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 3: to get to root for when they're rolling their fun

435
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: team to watch. But I think it's pretty clear whatever

436
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: the upper echelant tier in the AFC is. Obviously, Baltimore's

437
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: in it, Kansas City's in it. I think Cincinnati's in it.

438
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Speaker 3: Buffalo they are not. You know, yeah, and that was

439
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: we don't even need to argue that anymore. I think

440
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Speaker 3: the only question now is could they win a playoff game.

441
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet on them because it's going to be

442
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Speaker 3: more likely a road playoff game. That's what they're going

443
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Speaker 3: to get back to back playoffs. Obviously the franchise is

444
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: head in the right direction, but in terms of like

445
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: AFC contenders, it is not the Miami Dolphins.

446
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Speaker 2: No.

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, and it's I've always liked to but I've

448
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: never loved him, and I do think when you speed

449
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: the game up, and he had a couple drops today.

450
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Speaker 1: But to your point, if you look at the history

451
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: of football, the great teams have always been able to grind.

452
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Speaker 1: Even the Niners with Walsh Taylor, Joe Montana defense, those teams,

453
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Speaker 1: those are great defense. And we never talked about that defense.

454
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Speaker 1: And the reason we don't is because it's Joe Montana,

455
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, real defense, Pro bowlers everywhere.

456
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Speaker 3: About some of the home grin Packer teams with Reggie

457
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: White and you know, Leroy Butler and some of those guys.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one of the knocks on the Packers.

459
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Speaker 1: You say, why not Farvan Rodgers win more? Well, they

460
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Speaker 1: have when they have their best defenses in those quarterbacks careers.

461
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Speaker 1: And so even Peyton Manning go back to the Peyton

462
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Speaker 1: Manning team that won a Super Bowl in Indy that

463
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Speaker 1: was one of the best defenses he ever had. So

464
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Speaker 1: I just think Miami is fun. I've been saying this.

465
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Speaker 1: The Dolphins are the city. It's a lot of fake

466
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: Gucci loafers, and you know Rolex is that if you

467
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: shower turn green. They're fun. They're interesting, But as the

468
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: season progresses, they're just not built for this. And it's funny.

469
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: As much as I like Tyreek Hill and Jadall and Waddle,

470
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: you probably are best served to give up Waddle eventually

471
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: and just go get some more defensive help. That's my

472
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Speaker 1: take on them, is that this coach, this quarterback, Tyreek Hill,

473
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Speaker 1: you're gonna score points in this sport. You've got to

474
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Speaker 1: get better on your line play because that to me

475
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Speaker 1: today with Kansas City it was like, oh, they they

476
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: just can't block certain people.

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean offensive line when they were healthy was

478
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Speaker 3: a good coming into the season. The good thing you

479
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: have to feel if you have Miami is sometimes the

480
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: hardest thing to get obviously is the quarterback, but also

481
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: the coaching staff. Mike McDaniel was clearly a very innovative,

482
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: young offensive coach, and Vic Fangio now has kind of

483
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: proven to the spot like he's not gonna be head

484
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: coach anymore. So you got him, keep paying him a premium.

485
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: You got that in play. Just get more defensive pieces.

486
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: You have to be good at the line of scrimmage

487
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: in this conference, because one, you got to rush the

488
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: passer to beat the Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson's Patrick Mahomes.

489
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Speaker 3: And you have to be able to block. I mean,

490
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: you watch the Ravens today, obviously, the Steelers. Now the

491
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 3: Chiefs have you know, kind of you know, revitalize their defense.

492
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: You have to be able to neutralize other teams fronts,

493
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: all these Cleveland, all these teams now have.

494
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: Multiple pass rushers.

495
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Speaker 3: You know, every team has like one hundred million dollar

496
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: guy and then like a guy probably making a fifty

497
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. So if you can't block, you look

498
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: at Dallas down the stretch. They just they were relentless

499
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: with all the pass rushers. And it's the forty nine ers.

500
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Speaker 1: What do they do.

501
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: They went and got Chase Young, they got another guy.

502
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: So you just rushed the pass or rushed the pass

503
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: to rushed the passer and you can get away sometimes

504
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: with guys like me and you covering you know, offensive

505
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: weapons in the secondary if you can, you know, impact

506
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Speaker 3: the quarterback.

507
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Speaker 1: So I had said this when I watched Baltimore's first

508
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: half against Tennessee and London a month ago, I said this,

509
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: this is the best Lamar has been and this may

510
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: be the best team in the league. And I've had

511
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: them number one last several weeks and heard hierarchy Baltimore

512
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: and Seattle before I get to Baltimore. One of the

513
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: things that I've always sort of worried about with defensive coaches,

514
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: they don't do well with o lines. They can't reboot them.

515
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how many years is Pittsburgh Buffalo those defensive

516
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: coaches going to get with that offensive line play. The

517
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: second thing I worry about is sometimes they don't sense

518
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: urgency with a quarterback Mike Tomlin Kenny Pickett. That's just

519
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: not good enough in the AFC, It's just simply not

520
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: good enough. What happens when you can't pay all these

521
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: defensive players and you have to pay Kenny Pickett, You're

522
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay both these receivers. Like, so, this

523
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: is the time to win, and there's a true ceiling

524
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh Seattle. Gino Smith, Drew Locke and Gino Smith

525
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: are not it. I do think Seattle is unique in

526
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: that they don't have a bunch of needs. Now after

527
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: getting a corner and a receiver in the first round

528
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: last year and they're both really good, they can go

529
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round and get a

530
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: bow Nicks. They can go, Yeah, you know, Pennix won't

531
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: be available, so that worries me. But the thing about Baltimore,

532
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: he's now Lamar Jackson seventeen and one against the NFC,

533
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: So think about this. Their concern is the AFC if

534
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: he got to a Super Bowl. If you've never faced Lamar,

535
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Detroit and Seattle teams absolutely discombobulated. You have nobody at

536
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: practice to comp it with. And to me, the only

537
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: way to beat Lamar is, oh, we've seen him four times.

538
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: I remember talking to the Chargers people remember his rookie year.

539
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: The first time they faced him, they were lost. The

540
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: second time they had a better sense of it. They're like,

541
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: there's nobody like him in the league. And I I mean,

542
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: I just watched today and I'm like, Seattle. I don't

543
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: know why I talk myself out of that game because

544
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: I love Baltimore, but I kind of feel like, if

545
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: Baltimore gets to a Super Bowl, John, I'm taking them,

546
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: and I'm taking them in a route because I don't

547
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: think I think the Cincinnatis and Kansas City's that is

548
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: the only way to beat him.

549
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Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, Seattle in Detroit two

550
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: of their last three games. Those teams, you know, Seattle

551
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: probably win ten to eleven. Detroit's gonna win twelve thirteen.

552
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: You're talking twenty four wins. You could argue both those

553
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: games were over in the first quarter. The Detroit game

554
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: definitely was this game early in the second quarter. This

555
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: thing was over. So they, like you said, dismantled, embarrassed.

556
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: Now they got them both at home, but still, I

557
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: mean their high end. Romo mentioned this on the broadcast,

558
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: Lamar's playing at a really high level. The Za Flowers

559
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: pick looks awesome. Their defense is playing really, really well,

560
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: really well. So we just talked about it with Rogers

561
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: and Farv. When you get now with Mahomes, when you

562
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: get MVP level quarterback play and you have top flight defense.

563
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: We've seen the forty nine ers make runs with like

564
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: a quarterback who's hovering between like the fifteenth and sixteenth guy.

565
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: You give me a top five quarterback and a top

566
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 3: five defense, like, you really have no excuse if you're

567
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: playing well to not be in the Super Bowl. So

568
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: if you're just doing the power rankings, given how they're

569
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 3: playing right now, I think I don't know how you

570
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: would argue that the rave No team is playing better

571
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: than the Ravens as a complete football team. And the

572
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: thing is Lamar to me, is just better than he's

573
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: ever been, just in under complete control. It's not all

574
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: predicated on running. I was nervous when they brought in

575
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. They talk passing, passing, passing, and you're like, well,

576
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: you don't want to take away what he does. Really well,

577
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: they've like blended it perfectly.

578
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: The one problem is Greg Roman.

579
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: They couldn't pass and maybe it was the Za Flowers

580
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: edition has really helped.

581
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's really fantastic.

582
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: Addition, he's he's a really young, awesome player, and that's

583
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: a good pick. And they're good drafting teams, so you

584
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: shouldn't shouldn't be surprised. You know, I can I touch

585
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: on one day.

586
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: I I don't want to. What a awful day for

587
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: the Patriot dynasty.

588
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Belichick loses to a team that trades away as to

589
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: their two best players. Josh McDaniel's bet offense looks like

590
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Kenny Stabler was back today. They get rid of him

591
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: and obviously the story that Jay Glazer talked about, they

592
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: couldn't stand the guy. And then on the other end,

593
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: Brian day Ball, you know former Patriot guy gets destroyed

594
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: in that game. I mean today, if it wasn't for

595
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: Cassario and C. J. Stroud, the Patriot dynasty would basically

596
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: be completely dead. I think the one term that you

597
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: heard with the Josh firing that I've heard forever in

598
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: New England that people dealt with when you were winning,

599
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: that when you're not, or even if you're just not

600
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: making playoff runs, people like I'm out is the walking

601
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: on eggshells.

602
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: And that worked historically in football.

603
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: And listen, even as society changes, you still get yelled

604
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: at in football, but it is completely different than what

605
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: happened in the seventies, eighties and nineties. Currently in the NFL,

606
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: and think about Andy Reid, who's the best coach right

607
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 3: now in the sport, He's never really been like that.

608
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: That's not his style. Hell, even think of Pete Carroll,

609
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: who's kind of resurrected his team much more of a positive,

610
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: optimistic guy. The Belichick guys in general, all they know

611
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: is kind of negativity, walking on eggshells.

612
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: That doesn't really work with the coach. With the guys

613
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: you're coaching now under thirty, just look at the way

614
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: society work. That's not how people respond. But that's all

615
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: they know. So Belichick right now, everyone's always on edge.

616
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels had everyone on edge. That's you're not going

617
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: to be productive. Whether you have the high end talent

618
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: or whether you don't, you nowhere near gonna maximize loot.

619
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 3: Look at college now, Jim Harbaugh lightened up a little bit.

620
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: They became offensively explosive. Nick Sabe and Kirby Smart much

621
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: more pro offense just kind of it just makes you

622
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: happier Belichick and Josh and Dab. But these guys are

623
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: kind angry.

624
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia Matt Stafford couldn't stand Matt Patria.

625
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: Loosen up guys, but they don't. And I think all

626
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: these guys talk about I'm gonna be my own guy.

627
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be my own guy when you work for

628
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't care if you work for Steve Jobs or

629
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos. If you spent all your time around whoever

630
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: the most successful guy is in your industry for years

631
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: upon years, how would you not emulate him and try

632
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: to be like him even when you're thinking about being

633
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 3: yourself And it fails time and time again. Bill screwed

634
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: because their team isn't very talented, and these other guys

635
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: constantly fail because I think they just they tend to

636
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: be negative like Bill, because they've seen it firsthand and

637
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: they've seen it work. But I just don't think it works.

638
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: I think you talked about last week.

639
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Remove Brady. He is the dynasty. I think he could just.

640
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: Handle the negativity and everyone kind of loosened up below

641
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: him in the locker room. But it doesn't work once

642
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Speaker 3: you go to these other places, and now Bill like

643
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Speaker 1: Yes, no, I think there's a lot about that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: before we go, I do want to talk about one

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Speaker 1: college note. So I don't know if Washington can win

647
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Speaker 1: a national champion ship, but what a showcase of game

648
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Speaker 1: it was for the Huskies. I said, their defense is bad,

649
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: but at least they're usually in the right place. USC

650
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Speaker 1: fired Alex Grinch, their defensive coordinator, which I mean, if

651
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Speaker 1: you watch the game, and if you've watched the last month,

652
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: he stands alone by himself in the sidelines. They're in

653
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Speaker 1: the wrong place. And these are guys that have played

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Speaker 1: Kaylon Bullock, who is that all American safety has regressed.

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Speaker 1: One of The first things I look at is do

656
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Speaker 1: players get better? USC's offensive guys do none of their

657
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: defensive guys do none of them get better? So I

658
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: don't know if USC will go out and spend a

659
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Speaker 1: lot of money on the defensive coordinator. But how do

660
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Speaker 1: you view this season and Lincoln Riley's sort of legacy.

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00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: I know it's early in his career to talk about that,

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00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: but I always viewed him as potentially an NFL guy,

663
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: and my takeaway now is he's not. He just has

664
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Speaker 1: no McVeigh chest out Alpha loves defense, Shanahan loves physicality.

665
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Shanahan don't care about special teams, but he loves defense.

666
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Right Andy Reid spags Andy accept realizes what defense is.

667
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: Lincoln doesn't even he didn't have a special teams coach.

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Speaker 1: He's lobsided as a coach. What do you think his

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Speaker 1: legacy right now is?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think and listen.

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Speaker 3: I it's easy to crush him right now, Like probably

672
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: most people, when they hired him, it was a no

673
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: brainer hire you had to do it.

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Speaker 2: But I think when you look back, the Big twelve.

675
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: Is not very good and no one plays defense, and

676
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: he was able to take advantage of it. He ran

677
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: into clearly the best year the Pac twelve has had

678
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: in a long time. He's kind of getting worked right.

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00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: He loses to Utah, he loses this game, He's going

680
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: to be a huge underdog this upcoming week. You know,

681
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: to Oregon. UCLA's leaking oil a little bit. But I

682
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 3: think it's a disaster Colin. Simply put, I think it's

683
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: one of the biggest underachievements given the quarterback playing offense.

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00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Because when you're at a program like this, you have

685
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: unlimited resources to hire the best and the brightest. You know,

686
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: when you look at some of these other college coaches,

687
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: they go to like the Baltimore raven to get their

688
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: secondary coach and make him, you know, their defensive coordinator.

689
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: Just hell, Chip Kelly's defensive coordinators, Anthony Lynn's sun who

690
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: if you look at his resume, had been in the

691
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: NFL for the last decade, came from the Ravens, And

692
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: what is UCLA.

693
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Speaker 2: A lot better on defense.

694
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Speaker 3: So it's like, I don't know, if you tell me

695
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: who Lincoln's next defensive coordinator, I would not be very

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: confident that you're going to go.

697
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: That's a no brainer choice, right because you.

698
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: Look at the guys that his We talked about it

699
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: last week when they were, you know, lose to Utah.

700
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: Where'd he find this guy?

701
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: Well, he was a Mike Leech guy, right, That's it's

702
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: a connection thing. And he's not to me part of

703
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: going to the NFL too. Think of some of the

704
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: coaches that went to the NFL from college, most recently,

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00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: Beside Harbaugh, who was an NFL guy, Urban Meyer never

706
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: coached today. Didn't know what to do, and he was

707
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: completely over his head. Chip is a good example of

708
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: a guy that had some success, but his problem is

709
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: he didn't know any defensive coaches, so he couldn't hire

710
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: very good defensive coordinators and that was always his downfall.

711
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: And now Lincoln is kind of going through the in

712
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: college and I go back to Pete Carroll era.

713
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's staff was really, really good.

714
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: It had a perfect blend of like young up and

715
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: coming guys like the Sarks and the Lanes, and then

716
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: the older Norm Chows, Ken Norton's, the recruiters, the NFL experience,

717
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: the young offensive, innovative guys. And I just look, I go,

718
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, because when he took over

719
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma, it was Bob Stoop's brother.

720
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: He inherited.

721
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: They ultimately fired him for this guy, and it's just

722
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: kind of unraveled and he brings them with him. I

723
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: don't have much confidence that he's going to hire a

724
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: guy that people are going to feel very, very good about,

725
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: because I also think it's a culture in the way

726
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: you practice. When you practice like he does with his

727
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: offensive style, you don't really create a tough physicality. That's

728
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: always what people have said defensive coaches whenever you met

729
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: him at these spread offensive schools, and specifically the air

730
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: raid type schools. And I know he's not true air

731
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: raid anymore. It's like hard to improve the toughness on

732
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: a daily basis on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in practice.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean it's I don't think it's a coincidence. Tomlin,

734
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Mike Rablink. The essence of their physicality, the

735
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: essence of their personality, The way they structure practice is

736
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Speaker 1: more physical. I mean every verbal team, every Tomlin team.

737
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, even though they're an offensive team more than defense,

738
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, it's a physical offense. They can run the ball,

739
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: is think I think sometimes with Mike McDaniel and Lincoln Riley.

740
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: I think they're really clever offensively and really smart, and

741
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: I think they structure their culture and their program and

742
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: their practice like that, and it's really smart and clever.

743
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: But do they build the toughness? Is that part of

744
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: the personality? And I just I don't think it's a

745
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: coincidence sometimes that the same kind of physical, kind of

746
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: big physical men. Don't you think they structure practice differently.

747
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I'm not blaming Caleb because you gotta

748
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: sign Caleb. You had to pay Caleb to get them.

749
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: Every team in the country would have done that. But

750
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: I do think when the way they've built it, it

751
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: was also Caleb heavy that it almost sucked the oxygen

752
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: out of everything else. And you watch it this year

753
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: and the last couple weeks haven't been his fault. The

754
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: Notre Dame game, he wasn't very good, but it just

755
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: feels like if he is not because even you go

756
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 3: back to some of the heyday Pete Carroll teams or

757
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: some of those good Harball teams or Chip Kelly teams,

758
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: it was never all about Mariota or Lucke or Matt

759
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: Lion or it was a they were more complete team

760
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: and this thing just felt like a basketball team. It

761
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: was like Kayleb Williams and then everyone else. And that

762
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: is not the way you win in football.

763
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Speaker 2: It's just not.

764
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: And they've been clearly exploited. Even Washington is a good example.

765
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: They're best players are quarterback, but they don't. He wasn't

766
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: I would say otherworldly against USC. Running back came through defense,

767
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: got some big stops. You watch Oregon, they're complete team.

768
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: Look at what Nick Saban's doing. You talk to any

769
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: NFL scout, They're like, this is the least talented team

770
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: in like fifteen years.

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00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he's gonna be back in the

772
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: SEC championship game, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think Mike McDaniel and Lincoln Riley, I do

774
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: think they're brilliant guys. Sure are regressing quickly as the

775
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: season goes on. This sport always gets back to physicality

776
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: and toughness and resilience and playing hurt and situational football

777
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: and making stops. As much fun as it is to watch,

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00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Caleb or Tua or Tyreek Hill just got to be

779
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: better and more physical situationally. And I mean they had

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,120
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00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,120
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