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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 1: and speaker.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer,

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Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 2: our careers and our families.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.

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Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.

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Speaker 1: This episode is airing in late April of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Sarah is going to be interviewing Laura May Martin, who

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Speaker 1: is a productivity expert and the author of the new

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Speaker 1: book Uptime. She is also works at Google where she

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Speaker 1: coaches executives on productivity, which I think is a really

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Speaker 1: cool career crafting move. You know, she talks about in

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Speaker 1: her book she began her career in sales and then

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Speaker 1: people kept commenting on how productive she was, and like

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Speaker 1: her calendar was always under control, and she was able

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Speaker 1: to leverage that into a career in productivity while still

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Speaker 1: working for the same company.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: So she talks a lot about different productivity techniques and strategies.

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Speaker 1: But what things she talked about that I a little

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Speaker 1: flag for me was keyboard shortcuts. Apparently she is the

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Speaker 1: guru of keyboard shortcuts, so I wondered, Sarah, do you

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Speaker 1: use any keyboard shortcuts in your daily life?

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Speaker 4: I do. I enjoy keyboard shortcuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I don't use as many as I could

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Speaker 2: be using, but I have a few that I make

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Speaker 2: my life so much easier. And I would say the

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Speaker 2: most commonly used keyboard shortcut in my non like clinical

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Speaker 2: life is the screen grab a MAC that is the

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Speaker 2: shift control option for or shift control for whether or

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Speaker 2: not you want to copy and paste it, And it

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Speaker 2: basically allows you to grab anything on a screen and

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Speaker 2: then instantly copy it to your clipboard so you can

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Speaker 2: paste it wherever, or to save that graphic as a

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Speaker 2: PMG file on your desktop. And this is so helpful

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Speaker 2: for me when I'm adding a graphic to my blog

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Speaker 2: for example, since I do a lot of planning related

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Speaker 2: presentations and I have to create APDF, I'm often just

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Speaker 2: pulling pieces of that PDF onto the screen, and if

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Speaker 2: I did not have the shortcut, it would truly take

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Speaker 2: probably three or four times as long to do this

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Speaker 2: because it's just so quick pace grab paste.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, love the screen grab.

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Speaker 2: And then at work I do a lot of what

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Speaker 2: they call dot phrases or text expansions. They actually have

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Speaker 2: that on Apple as well, and I have the link.

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Speaker 2: I can put it in the show notes. You don't

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Speaker 2: you have a Mac and probably a Windows too, but

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Speaker 2: I amac where you can teach it that, Like if

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Speaker 2: that we use at work, it's called a dot phraeze,

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Speaker 2: and I have a ton of dot phrases like oh,

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Speaker 2: I just taught type dot shoe PCOS and it's a

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Speaker 2: whole explanation of my thoughts on that condition. Obviously I

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm very glad I live in the era

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Speaker 4: They're available to me. What about you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, none, I mean, like literally none. And as just

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Speaker 1: one example, I write my Before Breakfast podcast scripts every

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Speaker 1: And I am not that close to the line. Nor

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Speaker 1: that is something that matters. I'm not doing anything like that,

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Speaker 1: right I would just be deleting another email faster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no virtue in like, I don't say my approach

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Speaker 1: as long as you have the big pieces of life

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Speaker 4: This reminds me of the latte factor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, just go get the latte, get a different job,

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Speaker 1: and keep your lattes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but Obviouslyarah May Martin.

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Speaker 3: Loves her keyboard shirtcuts.

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Speaker 1: Sarah loves her keyboard shirtcuts, and I think in their

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Speaker 1: case they probably make sense for both of them. So

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Speaker 1: we will hear what she has to say about different topics.

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Speaker 1: But onto the interview that Sarah does with her.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am so excited today to welcome Laura may

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Speaker 2: Martin to the show, who is Google's productivity expert and

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Speaker 2: also the author of Uptime, which is just releasing now,

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Speaker 2: a practical guide to personal productivity and well being. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, Laura.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, I mean, thank you, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I read through the copy of your book and

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Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it, so I'm so excited to chat here.

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Speaker 2: This is a book that I think is going to

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Speaker 2: resonate with a lot of our listeners, as Laura is

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Speaker 2: a little unique in that she has this really broad

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Speaker 2: kind of meld both sides. I'm here for this book

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Speaker 2: and I'm here for you to be here today. What

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Speaker 2: made you decide to turn it into a book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great question.

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Speaker 5: I was doing all of my coaching and the productivity

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Speaker 5: you know, you really should organize all of your thoughts

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Speaker 3: And so I was like, you know, that's kind of

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Speaker 5: So I started just like keeping a running list of

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Speaker 5: for over like three years, and then started looking at

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Speaker 2: Yes, And in that time, I believe you have Well,

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Speaker 5: It was a whirlwind, that whole process, like having.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing. Three kids in that age bracket is

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Speaker 2: So that leads me in perfectly to my first question,

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned a user manual and I cannot help

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Speaker 2: I like it, like bring it to everyone, make it expensive. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about meetings. You have a lot of thoughts

444
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Speaker 2: about meetings. I also I love the idea that you

445
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 2: can like gently say like, yes, I don't go to

446
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Speaker 2: meetings with that agenda. I guess you say, I attend

447
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: meetings means with an agenda.

448
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Speaker 3: That's how you put it right exactly. I love it.

449
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Speaker 3: So yeah.

450
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Speaker 5: I think meetings, like when I work with an executive

451
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Speaker 5: or anyone especially I would say not executive, like that

452
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Speaker 5: next lower level where it's like maybe you manage people.

453
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Speaker 5: I call it like the sandwich level, because it's like

454
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Speaker 5: you manage people and then you have managers and you're

455
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Speaker 5: dealing with a lot. I think that what I see

456
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Speaker 5: so much is that meetings just take up so much

457
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Speaker 5: of people's times. And in the book I talk about

458
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Speaker 5: like when are your best ideas in your ninth back

459
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Speaker 5: to back meeting. Absolutely not, They're when you've had time

460
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Speaker 5: to kind of decompress and think through things. And so

461
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 5: slamming your schedule really doesn't leave room for a lot

462
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Speaker 5: of this big picture stuff. It leaves you exhausted. And

463
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Speaker 5: what happens is when you look at your week, you

464
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Speaker 5: don't even remember baby action items you had from that

465
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Speaker 5: or things you got out of those meetings or or

466
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Speaker 5: you don't even go back and say was that actually

467
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Speaker 5: a really good use of my time? So I have

468
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Speaker 5: some suggestions about like the look back look forward exercise,

469
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Speaker 5: where it's like, actually, take in what did I do

470
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Speaker 5: this week? Was it a great use of my time?

471
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Speaker 5: And then adjust accordingly. So if one hour every week

472
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Speaker 5: with someone on my team was a little too much,

473
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Speaker 5: can I start making that one thirty minutes or something

474
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Speaker 5: like that. So, you know, I think that when I

475
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Speaker 5: talk about meetings, I talk about excellent meetings. You want

476
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Speaker 5: someone to walk out of a meeting with you and

477
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Speaker 5: be like that was an excellent use of my time,

478
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Speaker 5: and anything less than that, you know, you really shouldn't

479
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Speaker 5: be going to those. If you can use your laptop

480
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Speaker 5: during a meeting, why.

481
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Speaker 3: Are you there?

482
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Speaker 5: If you can skip a meeting most of the time,

483
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Speaker 5: why is it on your calendar on a recurring basis?

484
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Speaker 5: So I think that, just like across the board, the

485
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Speaker 5: standard for meetings needs to go up. And we had

486
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Speaker 5: a huge push around that at Google and it was

487
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Speaker 5: really successful. And it's a problem quote for a lot

488
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Speaker 5: of people because it takes up so much time. So

489
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Speaker 5: you want to make sure that those meetings are excellent.

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Speaker 2: I love that offer like some specifics, like if it's

491
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Speaker 2: an informational meeting, you had like a deliverable for every

492
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Speaker 2: type of meeting that I think is useful. And it's

493
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Speaker 2: not that there's only one type of meetings. There's a

494
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Speaker 2: few different types, but there's got to be some very

495
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Speaker 2: specific point and then a very specific kind of next step.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that you like picked up on because

497
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Speaker 3: I think, like a lot.

498
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Speaker 5: Of productivity books or just books in general, they'll give

499
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Speaker 5: you like the big picture idea like you should have

500
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Speaker 5: great meetings. But my whole like goal when writing this book,

501
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Speaker 5: and the reason that I put in the title like

502
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Speaker 5: a practical Guide, is because I did not just want

503
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Speaker 5: it to be like, oh, you should eat healthy, and

504
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Speaker 5: I wanted it to be like the recipes, like what

505
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Speaker 5: do I get at the grocery store?

506
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Speaker 3: So like this in this sense, I wanted to be like, yes, you.

507
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Speaker 5: Should have good meetings, but what does a good meeting mean?

508
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Speaker 5: What does an agenda look like? What type of meeting?

509
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Speaker 5: What does the deliverable look like? Like really in the

510
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Speaker 5: nitty gritty of like how you implement these things tomorrow,

511
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Speaker 5: because otherwise they're just like raw, raw ideas that are

512
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Speaker 5: not as like tangible in your day to day. So

513
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Speaker 5: that was like one of my big goals with including

514
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 5: that type of stuff, just like, how do I do

515
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Speaker 5: this in my life?

516
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Speaker 2: Yes, now, email and laundry, what do they have in common?

517
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Speaker 2: And how do we fix the email? Although I will

518
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Speaker 2: say that I do love Google's email platform, so that

519
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Speaker 2: part's not broken for me, But how do we fix

520
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Speaker 2: how we use email in our daily lives?

521
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Speaker 3: There you go.

522
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Speaker 5: No, it's never the tool, it's always the intention behind

523
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Speaker 5: the tool. So yes, I love Gmail too, obviously, But

524
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Speaker 5: when you're thinking about laundry, everyone understands that.

525
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Speaker 3: And I ask people, Okay, if I told.

526
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Speaker 5: You do your laundry, and I said, go into your dryer,

527
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Speaker 5: you got one shirt you kind of folded that, walked

528
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Speaker 5: it up two floors to your dresser, walk down, you

529
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Speaker 5: find a sock you don't know where the other one is.

530
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Speaker 3: Who cares? You'll walk that up.

531
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Speaker 5: You find a pair of pants, you think it's wet,

532
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Speaker 5: but I'll throw it back in with the dry clothes.

533
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Speaker 5: And I'm just going to keep opening my dryer door

534
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Speaker 5: all day to remind myself how many clothes I have,

535
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Speaker 5: how many clothes I'm not doing I don't know where

536
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Speaker 5: the pink shirt is. I'm going to shut it at

537
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Speaker 5: night and just start it all over and start again

538
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Speaker 5: in the morning. You would say, like, that's insane, that's inefficient,

539
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: that sounds terrible, But that's how so many people do

540
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Speaker 5: their email. They mark something as onread aka throw the

541
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Speaker 5: wet pants back in with the dry things.

542
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Speaker 3: They haven't read yet.

543
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 5: They find one shirt, they respond to one email. Now

544
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Speaker 5: they're following up with another email. Now they're reading instead

545
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Speaker 5: of fold, fold, fold, read, read, read, hang, hang, hang,

546
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Speaker 5: And so instead you should do your email the same

547
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 5: way that you do your laundry. You should empty your dryer.

548
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Speaker 5: So that's what inbox zero means. It does not mean

549
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Speaker 5: I folded all the clothes. It just means that they're

550
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Speaker 5: out of the dryer and I've put them into baskets

551
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: based on what I need to do next. So read, review, respond,

552
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Speaker 5: and then I can actually match. So you're touching the

553
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Speaker 5: clothes twice max the first time you put them in

554
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Speaker 5: the basket. Now, maybe I have to run to a

555
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Speaker 5: meeting and I don't have time to read or fold everything,

556
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Speaker 5: so instead I'm leaving the basket there. But I know

557
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Speaker 5: when someone says, oh, did you see that pink shirt? Yes,

558
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 5: I did, I touched it, It's in my fold pile.

559
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: And then I'm actually aware of exactly how much I

560
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Speaker 5: have to do and I can match with my schedule.

561
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Speaker 5: So I see a lot people being like, yeah, I'm

562
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Speaker 5: a morning person. I'm really focused in the morning, and

563
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Speaker 5: the first thing I do is come in and read

564
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Speaker 5: all these industry news articles from my email. And it's like,

565
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: what a waste of focus time if you had put

566
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Speaker 5: those in a basket. And then in between two meetings,

567
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 5: when you're kind of low energy and you only have

568
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Speaker 5: ten minutes, that's a great time to read. And if

569
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Speaker 5: you do it back to back, you're getting efficiencies from

570
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Speaker 5: doing the same thing over and over. So thinking that

571
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Speaker 5: way about our email and treating it the same way

572
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Speaker 5: can be really helpful as far as how to set

573
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Speaker 5: that up.

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Speaker 3: And Gmail.

575
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 5: You know, multiple inboxes allows you to have those baskets

576
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Speaker 5: baskets that you see, but you have your separate dryer

577
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 5: and everything in there is kind of like one system

578
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 5: that again, your mental load is lowered because you're not thinking, oh,

579
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Speaker 5: where is that?

580
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Speaker 3: Have I touched that? How much do I have to fold?

581
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: How much do I have to hang et cetera.

582
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Speaker 2: Yes, you mentioned baskets, and to be clear, this is

583
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Speaker 2: not sorting a bunch of folders, because I love how

584
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Speaker 2: you pointed out that we do not need to do that. No, No,

585
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Speaker 2: throw it all into archives, gmails, search really great, it'll find.

586
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Speaker 3: It, exactly.

587
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 5: I think we have that mentality. It's funny. It carried

588
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: over from like pieces of paper, you know. So it's

589
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: like we had our file system and we're like, let's

590
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Speaker 5: make our filesystem an email and it's like, no, we

591
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 5: don't need it.

592
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: We can search for a couple words, and that's type

593
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Speaker 3: of thing.

594
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Speaker 5: But you know you want these temporary folders or baskets

595
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 5: and that those are things you take things in and

596
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 5: out of based on what you have to do, but

597
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: ultimately you don't need to like sort everything away, which

598
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: is how a lot of people act in email.

599
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Speaker 2: Still, you have a great chapter on routines, which you

600
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Speaker 2: call when colon then, which sounded a little bit like

601
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Speaker 2: programming to be talk about that and how do you

602
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Speaker 2: keep track of all those because there were a lot

603
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Speaker 2: of those examples in there that you use personally.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just like figured out that when I

605
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Speaker 5: there's something I've been wanting to do, it just is

606
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Speaker 5: like never going to happen unless I kind of associate

607
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Speaker 5: it with something that I have to do in the

608
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Speaker 5: same cadence. So, for example, I was just thinking about recently,

609
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Speaker 5: like my kids, you know, having three kids, that's what

610
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Speaker 5: sixty nails to cut.

611
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Speaker 3: If you think about that.

612
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 5: And I was just like, oh my gosh, I feel

613
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Speaker 5: like we like try to do my baby's nails and

614
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 5: then here and then like my daughter she wants to

615
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 5: paint her nails, so then occasionally I'll cut them then,

616
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: but it's like, no, I need a system to make

617
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 5: sure that they're like nails aren't getting long.

618
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Speaker 3: So I thought in my head, like, well, they're kind

619
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Speaker 3: of taking.

620
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Speaker 5: Baths at different times, different nights, but usually Sunday night

621
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Speaker 5: we kind of do like a bath together, or my

622
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Speaker 5: daughter's in the bathroom while the boys are bathing.

623
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, that is a.

624
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Speaker 5: Consistent routine every single Sunday we do that that we

625
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: never miss it. And so I started leaving the nail

626
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Speaker 5: clippers on the bath where we do that every Sunday,

627
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Speaker 5: and I was just like, I know that we're going

628
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Speaker 5: to be there every Sunday, I know that the nail

629
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Speaker 5: clipper's gonna be staring at me, and it's a perfect

630
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 5: time to just do that every single week and not

631
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: have to constantly throughout the week being like.

632
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Speaker 3: Oh now the baby's crashed his face, I need to

633
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: cut his nails.

634
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Speaker 5: That kind of thing is just like it's built in now,

635
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: it's a system, and so you know, I started doing

636
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 5: that with monthly things, and it's just like, I guess

637
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: you could use the word triggers, like triggers that happen

638
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: already that remind you to do something else. And so

639
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: I've heard a lot of people say after they read

640
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 5: the book or that I've taught them this, like they

641
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 5: started thinking like, oh my gosh, you know I always

642
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: wanted to do this daily, and I always know I'm

643
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 5: gonna grab my keys, so I put a little thing

644
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: by my keys to remind me to do that. Just

645
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 5: little associations you can make instead of saying, oh, I've

646
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: really always been needing to do this, or I really

647
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: want to prioritize self care. Okay, when are you going

648
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 5: to make it happen like one day of the week,

649
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 5: pick you know it's going to be self care Saturday,

650
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Speaker 5: and every Saturday morning, I'm going to block an hour

651
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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna find something to do self care wise,

652
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Speaker 5: whether it's just.

653
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Speaker 3: Take a bath or go on a walk or whatever

654
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Speaker 3: that is.

655
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Speaker 5: Like, I'm going to make it a routine and every

656
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Speaker 5: Saturday morning I know I'm doing it, and then it

657
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: kind of falls into place. So all the examples are

658
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: in there are just things that you could do or

659
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Speaker 5: I do do to kind of kick your brain into

660
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Speaker 5: what are the when then routines that I need in

661
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Speaker 5: my life?

662
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Speaker 2: Love it, and then you can always reassess them as

663
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: stages change.

664
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: Job needs changed, kids, stages change. It's funny.

665
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Speaker 2: I was like, you're talking about cutting nails, and I'm like,

666
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: oh my god, I never cut any nails anymore. Probably

667
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: she caught my six year old's nails more often.

668
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: But then it also does it.

669
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. There you go, that's your routine.

670
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: That's good.

671
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then my almost twelve year old just wants

672
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: gel manicures, So there you go.

673
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Speaker 4: That's what it turns into.

674
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of self care and that kind of area,

675
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: you have a whole section on mindfulness and meditation and reflection.

676
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: So can you talk about how you incorporate those things

677
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Speaker 2: into your life.

678
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

679
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Speaker 5: I feel like so many people want to talk about

680
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: the list making and stuff like that, and I'm like, no,

681
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 5: the whole point of the book is like you have

682
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: to take the step back from that and prioritize like

683
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: the bigger picture, which is your self care, your mental

684
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: health and all of those things kind of like rise

685
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: above the busyness and then you're like looking down on

686
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Speaker 5: it from a different perspective.

687
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I gave some.

688
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Speaker 5: Examples in the book because like you, I kind of

689
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: want to know, like what are what are you doing?

690
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: What do these things look like?

691
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Speaker 5: But for me, I make time to I call it

692
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: the Laura thirty every single morning. So I've said my

693
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: alarm for six and from six to six thirty, I

694
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: do like whatever I'm in the mood for. Sometimes I'm

695
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: tired and I just truly will sit there and drink

696
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 5: my coffee in silence, which, as you of Mom three know,

697
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: like that is of gift in its own But sometimes

698
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: most of the time I'll meditate. Sometimes I'm like reading

699
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: a good book I want to read if I know

700
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Speaker 5: I might not be able to work out later in

701
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: the day. Sometimes I'll work out during that time, but

702
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: it's just like my commitment to myself to kind of

703
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: like fill up my own energy bank so then I

704
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: can pass out energy the rest of the day and

705
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Speaker 5: I know.

706
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Speaker 3: I have it.

707
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Speaker 5: But you know, I think that making those little moments

708
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 5: for yourself, whether it's in the morning or just like

709
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 5: I always go on a walk or I let myself

710
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: do this, it's those are the things that keep you

711
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Speaker 5: centered and kind of make everything else easier.

712
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Speaker 3: So I think people try to focus on the.

713
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: Everything else, and they're like if I just this, if

714
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: I just had this tool, if I just hired this person,

715
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: if I just But the point is like, if you

716
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 5: actually focus on the nucleus of it all, which is you,

717
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: then the rest of the things have a way of

718
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 5: either working out or kind of like you care less

719
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: or you can do more for them.

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Speaker 4: So they're easier. They're easier.

721
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Speaker 2: It's like exactly right, Like if you don't get enough type,

722
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: everything's hard. If you don't take that time for yourself,

723
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: have that anchor, then everything else becomes.

724
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: Exactly Yes, anchor is a good way of putting it. Well.

725
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: Our listeners love to hear a day in the life

726
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: and I think yours is going to be particularly interesting

727
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: since you have a lot on your plate and three

728
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Speaker 2: little kids, So can you take us through a basic routine,

729
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: including like your kind of childcare type stuff as well.

730
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I do like office days some days,

731
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 5: like once or twice a week, and then home some days.

732
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Speaker 5: So I'll just give tomorrow because I actually just did

733
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 5: my own hour by hour plan of what I was doing. So,

734
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 5: like I said, I wake up, set my alarm for six.

735
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 5: I have my coffee pre made, so I wake up,

736
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 5: drink my coffee. My baby usually wakes up right around

737
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Speaker 5: six thirty, so I nurse him while I finish the coffee,

738
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 5: finish reading the book.

739
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Speaker 3: My oldest her, her light turns.

740
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 5: Yellow at six forty five because she likes to have

741
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: like a little quiet time with me, So she comes

742
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: in with me and the baby and we read a

743
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: little chapter book. And then my middle he's two. His

744
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 5: light turns yellow at seven, so he's usually already up

745
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: and he's like, oh, mommy, come get me. So I

746
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: go into his room. My daughter gets dressed, I get

747
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: him dressed. We come downstairs. I usually have something for

748
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 5: them to do while I make breakfast and make lunches.

749
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 5: So usually the night before I'll set out like a

750
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: little coloring book or some stickers or you know, something

751
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 5: to occupy them for ten minutes while I'm doing that.

752
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: So they go up there. They're always excited to see

753
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: what's there when we go down. So then I empty

754
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: the dishwasher, make lunch. They eat breakfast at the breakfast bar.

755
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: Every other day. I do like I cook breakfast or

756
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: I like a cold or hot breakfast.

757
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: So it's either like eggs or then the next day

758
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: is yogurt, and then the next day is you know,

759
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: something in the oven like that, and then we have

760
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: a timer go off at eight o'clock. That means they

761
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 5: know when the timer goes off that they're supposed to

762
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: start getting their shoes on. So I never say like

763
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: what time it is, or you got to do this

764
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: or this. They say, oh, first timer, we got to

765
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 5: go brush our teeth downstairs, get our shoes on. And

766
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: they know that if they are done with that before

767
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 5: the second timer, which is eight ten, that we have

768
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 5: time to read books. So while they're brushing their teeth,

769
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: I'm cleaning up the kitchen. I do have a husband.

770
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Speaker 3: He's just like a late sleeper, and so we've just.

771
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: Been okay with that in our life. We knew he's

772
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Speaker 5: good at bedtime. He does middle the night stuff, so

773
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Speaker 5: like we were.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I tell him that's it's vertical. We call that

775
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: vertical ownership, so like you, and then he can do

776
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: the eatings.

777
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

778
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Speaker 5: So sometimes when I tell a story, people are like,

779
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Speaker 5: are you a single mother, I'm like, no, just from

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Speaker 5: just from six to eight. Yeah, So then we read

781
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: a book or whatever. My husband takes them to school.

782
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: I put the baby down for his nap. At eight thirty,

783
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: I work out, I take a shower. Usually right after

784
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: that I usually start my meetings or so at nine,

785
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 5: while the baby's napping, my mom comes over. She wakes

786
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: him up, and so you know, she takes them on

787
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: a walk, and my husband gets my son from preschool.

788
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: We all have lunch together at noon, so I make

789
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: lunch for everybody, put them down for naps around one,

790
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 5: So that's like my break every day. That's one of

791
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: my boundaries is that I have lunch with my kids

792
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: from twelve to one, and then while they're napping in

793
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: the afternoon is usually when I do a lot of

794
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: my meetings because I'm based on California times, so I'm

795
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 5: a morning person anyway, as you can probably hear. But

796
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: I do try to really block the mornings for my

797
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 5: focused work time. So that's when I'm doing like new presentations, decks,

798
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 5: responding to emails. That it's kind of like my protected time.

799
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 5: Especially Wednesdays and Fridays, I try. I call those my

800
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 5: power hours in the morning, and I.

801
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: Keep them free.

802
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: In the afternoon, I start doing meetings, podcasts, whatever I have,

803
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: and that's when I tell people to schedule with me.

804
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 5: And then usually my mom goes to get my daughter

805
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: at school, they come home, she plays with them, and

806
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: then usually around four thirty or five, I wrap up here,

807
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: go downstairs, play with the kids outside to start making dinner. Bedtime,

808
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 5: you know how it is, and then I usually I

809
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: don't schedule anything after bedtime. I was doing that for

810
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 5: a while, saying like, I'll finish that later, I'll finish

811
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 5: after good at bed and I just found like I

812
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: can maybe do that once a week, but doing that

813
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: on a consistent basis really burns me out. And so

814
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 5: my husband and I do you know, no tech Tuesday nights.

815
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 5: On Tuesday, we play board games or just sit outside

816
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: in our porch or something like that.

817
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: But I'll watch TV or i'd read a ton.

818
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 5: I'm in like four book clubs, so I'll usually read

819
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 5: about thirty minutes before bed and then start.

820
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: All over at six. That was very detail.

821
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: I love it.

822
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: And you are really in that like toddler baby phase,

823
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: and I love it. It sounds lovely. I'm picturing all

824
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: the putting them all down for naps, although I feel

825
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: like that could be like whack them mole, Like okay,

826
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: that is you know, like is he tired yet.

827
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 5: Or she like especially because they share her in my

828
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 5: two boys and they like, I'm just like, how do

829
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 5: I have two kids in sleep sacks with pacifiers who

830
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 5: are like setting each other off across the room and cribs?

831
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: But whatever, you know, Marty in it why not?

832
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: Ah, No, I get that. I get I had all

833
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: three of my children in one room for a while.

834
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: It actually made bit that time, really and not for

835
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: any reason like we had enough rooms, but it like

836
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: made the baby sleep better.

837
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: At the time, I was like, this is actually really efficiently.

838
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like okay, just like throw them in there

839
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: and someone's can fall asleep and turn the white noise

840
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 5: up exactly.

841
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: But I know you have to run soon.

842
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: But before you go, we're going to share our loves

843
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: of the week, and I'm going to go on theme

844
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: and just say that Gmail search function is my favorite thing.

845
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't sort anything, I just keep everything.

846
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: And the guest we had on a few weeks ago,

847
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: I literally searched for her name and responded to an

848
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: email she had written me in twenty twelve, and I'm like, Gmail,

849
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: You're awesome.

850
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: I love it.

851
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: I could go on and on about Gmail. People like

852
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: think that I'm paid to love Gmail so much. I'm like, no,

853
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: it's the opposite way. Like I loved gmails so much

854
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 5: that I ended up having this job. But I would say, actually,

855
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: AI is.

856
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: What I'm like loving this week.

857
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: I feel like at first I was just like I

858
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: don't really understand totally how to use it, Like what

859
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: is the big big cell? But every year I do

860
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: this big no Tech Tuesday Night challenge, and you know,

861
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: thousands of Googlers sign up for it and it's really cool,

862
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: and so people fill out this survey at the end

863
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 5: and I used to spend probably three hours going through those.

864
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 5: I mean I read every single person's comment, then I

865
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 5: would keep themes like people think they got better sleep,

866
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: et cetera.

867
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 3: So this year I plugged it into our Gemini tool.

868
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: I pasted every single one of the eight hundred responses

869
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: and said, can you summarize this for me? And it

870
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: kicked back in twenty seconds, like themes ideas for me

871
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: next year challenges, people fit top quotes. Like I was

872
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 5: just like, this just saved like three hours of my time.

873
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 5: This is crazy. So like every time I find a

874
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: new way to use it or like, you know, I

875
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: typed in the chapter about email and was like, how

876
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 5: would I visualize this? And it came up with like

877
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 5: a really cool visual of these laundry baskets with email

878
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 5: in it, and it's just it's like, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm just excited about like what it's

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Speaker 5: going to do for us, and I'm just dipping my

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Speaker 5: toe in.

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Speaker 3: But it's saving me a lot of time, which I'm

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Speaker 3: here for that.

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Speaker 4: So I love that survey use example. That is super smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just came back from a school tour where they're like,

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Speaker 2: we don't assign much homework because we find that the

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Speaker 2: kids just put it all into AI anyway, so it's like, wow.

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Speaker 5: I know it's wild. I don't know how it's gonna

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Speaker 5: all turn out, but we're just starting.

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Speaker 4: So awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell our listeners where they can find you, as

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Speaker 2: well as say the name of your book again so

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Speaker 2: they can all find it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So the book is Uptime Practical Guide to Productivity and

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Speaker 5: Well Being. And I'm on Instagram Laura May with an E.

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Speaker 5: Martin and also my website is Laura May Martin dot com.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well that was great, so exciting to hear Sarah and

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Speaker 1: Laura May Martin talk about productivity in ways we can

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Speaker 1: do things more efficiently. So, Sarah, a question from a listener,

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Speaker 1: how do you decide how often to travel to see

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Speaker 1: family or balance wanting to have time with just your

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Speaker 1: nuclear family versus your extended family.

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Speaker 3: So how do you think about this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a challenge I still have and I'm

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Speaker 2: often like rethinking are we doing it well? But our

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Speaker 2: current approach is that we tend to take like three

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Speaker 2: core nuclear family vacations a year most year, so something

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Speaker 2: for spring break and then something for summer, sometimes something

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Speaker 2: for winter break. Although that one I feel like can

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Speaker 2: swing towards more of a family trip, maybe twuoish kind

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Speaker 2: of core nuclear family big trips, and then the other

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Speaker 2: kind of smaller times in the year we try to

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Speaker 2: devote to seeing relatives, and most of the time that

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Speaker 2: means Philadelphia, because everyone pretty much either lives in South

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Speaker 2: Florida or Philadelphia. For me at this point, I'm not

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Speaker 2: counting Laura, although it's very convenient that I get to

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Speaker 2: see her too, and I go to visit family. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess I just would say like our bigger, more

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Speaker 2: like freaky type trips are just nuclear, and then other

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Speaker 2: times we try to add in some family time. I

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Speaker 2: would love it if my family came to me a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. So that is something I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: push in the coming years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Florida is a great place to visit, so

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Speaker 1: you at least have that going for you and get

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Speaker 1: out of Philadelphia at some point between December and March.

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Speaker 1: Is you know, you don't have to twist my arm.

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Speaker 1: I'm always happy to come down to Florida during that time.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I will be on the plane with Sarah's

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Speaker 1: extended family and that will be great. So yeah, it

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Speaker 1: can be quite a challenge to coordinate with lots of people.

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Speaker 1: And I think this what I'm reading into this listener

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Speaker 1: question is it's probably that her extended family wants to

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Speaker 1: do more things to gather that she has the kind

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Speaker 1: of sort of close, large family, which is absolutely awesome,

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Speaker 1: but it does then become something of a conflict if

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Speaker 1: you say, of a certain number of vacation days at

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Speaker 1: your workplace and you are trying to decide how to

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Speaker 1: coordinate between having some time with just your own family

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Speaker 1: on vacation, and then your in laws have the beach

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Speaker 1: house that they want you all to come to, or

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Speaker 1: somebody else is like, well, why don't we all take

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Speaker 1: this family trip to I don't know, Disney World or something,

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Speaker 1: and you have to decide, like, am I spending our

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Speaker 1: family's vacation days on that or is there something else

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Speaker 1: that we would choose to prioritize. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a negotiation, like everything else. And one reason to plan

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Speaker 1: a whole year of travel at once is that you

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Speaker 1: are then not pitting every single vacation against everything you

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Speaker 1: could be doing. I mean, this is challenging if the

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Speaker 1: rest of your family is more spontaneous, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really hard to get twenty people anywhere spontaneously. Like

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Speaker 1: these things have to be planned a long time ahead.

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Speaker 1: Maybe have a time where you plan out the year

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Speaker 1: of travel and coordinate with your extended family and say, well,

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Speaker 1: we could we'd love to have like two times where

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Speaker 1: we see you this year.

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Speaker 3: What do you think those would be?

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Speaker 1: And then like try to lock those in and then

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Speaker 1: you know, have a certain number of days for that,

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Speaker 1: and then you can choose maybe two other things that

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Speaker 1: you're doing at some other point in the year that

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Speaker 1: are just you and your nuclear family.

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Speaker 3: And then when the extended family's like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, we wanted to see you guys, we have

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Speaker 1: this holiday coming up, we're like, and I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: because I'm going to be seeing you over Thanksgiving doing

972
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Speaker 1: this and can't wait for that, right, And it's not

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Speaker 1: pitted against so much the exact other trip that you

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Speaker 1: were taking on like the Fourth of July or or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we.

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Speaker 1: See my family fairly frequently, but it's always day trips

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Speaker 1: because most of my family lives in New Jersey, so

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Speaker 1: it's relative and even my younger brother lives in upstate

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Speaker 1: New York. But it's about three hours away, so it's

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Speaker 1: often something they can either come overnight or even come

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Speaker 1: for one very long day. So we tend to do

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Speaker 1: that around holidays, and then you know, my husband's family,

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Speaker 1: we probably have to plan that a little bit more

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Speaker 1: because they're further away. On the other hand, his brother

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Speaker 1: has children about the same age as are for older kids,

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Speaker 1: and so they always want to do stuff with that,

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Speaker 1: but we can we can try and coordinate stuff on

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Speaker 1: occasion they came to see us for over Christmas. This year,

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Speaker 1: my daughter is going to be going to visit her

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Speaker 1: cousin that's her same age, So you know, just trying

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Speaker 1: to map out the whole year at once. And I

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Speaker 1: guess one of the upsides of self employment is it's

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Speaker 1: not quite as tight. I mean, although it's still have

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Speaker 1: to make sure you have enough time to work an

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Speaker 1: ongoing saga.

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Speaker 2: I feel like more people with largely remote jobs have

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Speaker 2: been working in travel into their jobs. I've been hearing

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Speaker 2: that more and more where it's like, no, I am working,

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Speaker 2: but I'm only working three days or I'm flexing my

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Speaker 2: hours that week, and so our family is going to go.

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Speaker 2: And that actually can be nice because if the grandparents

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Speaker 2: are active and can kind of care for your kids

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Speaker 2: while you're working. They're getting quality time. But then in

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Speaker 2: the evening you can all have dinner together whatever. I

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Speaker 2: do not have this kind of job. I have to

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Speaker 2: be there in person for obvious reasons. But I feel

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Speaker 2: like I heard that more and more, and that would

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Speaker 2: be an amazing way to not necessarily have to use

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Speaker 2: precious vacation days but still get to have some quality

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Speaker 2: time with family, especially if your kids are off way

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Speaker 2: more than you are, which can be the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that hasn't really worked out for

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Speaker 1: me to do, I said, I wind up chasing the

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Speaker 1: little ones around and extended family gatherings. But maybe that

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Speaker 1: will change at some point as Henry becomes a little

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Speaker 1: bit older. Well, this has been best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Sarah is interviewing Laura may Martin, the author of the

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Speaker 1: new book Uptime, the productivity Expert at Google. We will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life fit together.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com

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Speaker 2: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you.

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Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life

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Speaker 1: work together.

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Speaker 5: Use