WEBVTT - 051824 How Can There Be Good People on Both Sides? (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm your host, Ramses.

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<v Speaker 2>Joh he is Rams Joh, I am q Ward and

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<v Speaker 2>you are tombed in the Civic Spher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you are, and we've whittled down a show for

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<v Speaker 1>you today.

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<v Speaker 2>We found is an excellent way to put that just

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<v Speaker 2>because as usual, there is so much that we could

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<v Speaker 2>talk about and that we want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be fair, you know, we know that Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Maher's tripping to be fair, we know are been tripping. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we know about you know, we've we've covered quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of the goings on in Gaza with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>respect to the Israeli protesters naturally, the pro Palestinian protests

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<v Speaker 1>on college campuses around the country. I don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>for a second to think that those things aren't on

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts and things that we want to discuss. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a matter of time. Today actually was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a frustrating episode, But where we ended up is we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about well first and foremost, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we're gonna share a letter from one of our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners because it's important for us to kind of reset

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<v Speaker 1>our who we are in the minds of our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>and every so often we'll hear from folks that prompts

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<v Speaker 1>us to remind folks of who we are, why we

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<v Speaker 1>do what we do, and what we mean, what our

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<v Speaker 1>intentions are. And then for the second part of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to do is discuss police, police violence,

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<v Speaker 1>police misconduct, and indeed a story where sixty six probation

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<v Speaker 1>officers were put on leave in La County so as

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<v Speaker 1>to further explain how with police there are systemic issues,

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<v Speaker 1>not just individual issues. But before we get there, let's

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<v Speaker 1>discuss some Ebony excellence, shall we?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we shall This week's Abney Excellence sponsored by

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<v Speaker 2>Actively Black There is greatness in our DNA. Visit actively

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<v Speaker 2>black dot com. This story from The Guardian. Two college

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<v Speaker 2>freshmen who during their final year of high school found

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<v Speaker 2>a new way to prove Pythagoras's theorem by using trigonometry,

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<v Speaker 2>which mathematicians for generations thought was impossible, have since uncovered

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<v Speaker 2>multiple more such proofs. They revealed in a national interview

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. Quote we found five, and then we found

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<v Speaker 2>a general format that could potentially produce at least five

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<v Speaker 2>additional proofs end quote, Kelsea Johnson said on CBS's Sixty Minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>A little more than a year after, she and Nikia

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson collaborated on an accomplishment that earned them international recognition.

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<v Speaker 2>The two thousand year old theorem established that the sum

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<v Speaker 2>of a square sorry some of the squares of a

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<v Speaker 2>right triangle two shorter sides equal to square of the

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<v Speaker 2>hypot news the third longest side opposite the shape's right angle.

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<v Speaker 2>Countless school children taking geometry have memorized the notation, summarizing

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<v Speaker 2>the theorem a square plus b squared equal c squared.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom.

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<v Speaker 2>But the bonus question on a math contest that Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>and Jackson took home to complete during Christmas break of

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<v Speaker 2>their final year at Saint Mary's served as the impetus

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<v Speaker 2>for them to plot out a new way to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 2>that one could indeed use trigonometry to prove Pythagoras's theorem.

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<v Speaker 2>Their work was so compelling that the pair went to

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<v Speaker 2>a regional meeting of the American Mathematical Society in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>in March twenty twenty three to outline their findings at

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<v Speaker 2>the organization's recommendation. Jackson and Johnson have submitted their discoveries

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<v Speaker 2>for final peer review and publication, as well as working

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<v Speaker 2>on additional proofs while that process is pending. Boom, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like them when I grow up man

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<v Speaker 2>exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 1>They day up there with patagorasts. So that's next level

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<v Speaker 1>black women, okay, Q Yes, Ramses, you are a well decorated,

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<v Speaker 1>award winning, nationally syndicated.

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<v Speaker 2>When starts talking like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well stop me when I'm lying. You sit at the

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<v Speaker 1>helm of a couple of shows. Uh and uh this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of them. And this is not your first rodeo.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been on the radio for years now, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is possible for you to say things in a very

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<v Speaker 1>short amount of time that lack complete context. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you need to take a moment and explain what you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because without indeed all of the context necessary for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the entirety of what you mean, people can

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<v Speaker 1>leave the conversation confused, when indeed they actually came to

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<v Speaker 1>learn from you. So I want to be fair. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to set this up the right way.

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I know how this works because I work in

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting too, and I also do a lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>social media stuff, and you know, it's a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>pack into a thirty second little break or an hour

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<v Speaker 1>long show. As we find out frequently, all of the nuanced,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the context, everything that's necessary in order to

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<v Speaker 1>stick the landing, to fully make a point that is impenetrable.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that it's not susceptible to criticisms that are

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<v Speaker 1>more basic, right. High level criticism. Sure, when the point

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<v Speaker 1>is well made. High level criticisms, we invite them. But

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<v Speaker 1>low level criticisms are tough because it's simply a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of I didn't have enough time to explain that I

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<v Speaker 1>hit the major talking points, but of course there's context

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<v Speaker 1>that's missing from me. The reason why I'm talking in

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<v Speaker 1>a roundabout way and talking about this in such a

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<v Speaker 1>cryptic fashion is because we received a letter recently and

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<v Speaker 1>was addressed to Cue. The letter that we received is

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<v Speaker 1>from a longtime listener, and I like to think of

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<v Speaker 1>him as a friend of the show. We've only ever

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<v Speaker 1>used his first name, Philip, but Philip is in our estimation,

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative leaning listener. He listens to both of the

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<v Speaker 1>shows that we do. One on the Black Information Network

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<v Speaker 1>and this show you're listening to right now, Civic Cipher,

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<v Speaker 1>which funnily enough is also on the Black Information Network.

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<v Speaker 1>And Philip has again kept us on our toes. Know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not sure that he views the world. We might

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<v Speaker 1>be subscribing to two different realities, but we're grateful for

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<v Speaker 1>his input, his contribution, and we need criticisms because we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be the best journalists we can. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to be as responsible with this. We have microphones and

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<v Speaker 1>audiences that are listening to us, and so we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be very responsible with this. But what I've done

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<v Speaker 1>is painted a picture that has a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>elements converging at that microphone. And so what I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>is I'll share another letter, the latest letter from our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Philip, and we're going to have a brief discussion

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<v Speaker 1>on context and fill in some gaps, fill in some blanks,

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<v Speaker 1>and give you an idea of who we are. And

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<v Speaker 1>today we're going to focus more on c So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>finish setting the stage. This letter says thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>allowing me to use this email as I don't use

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<v Speaker 1>social media much. We know that about Philip for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Oh he always emails us all right. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations on your continued station growth with Civic Cipher, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he talks about the Black Information Network May sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>so not too long ago, and he says something that

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<v Speaker 1>stood out to me and I forwarded over to Q.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, Q sounded just like President Trump. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was drinking It just almost caused the spits tit take. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was drinking water.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he says, Q sounded just like President Trump. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, you know, into the show, Q said regarding

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the ceasefire. I guess this show we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the proposed the ceasefires for the ceasefire and Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>He says. In the show, Q said, there are good

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<v Speaker 1>people on both sides, the same wording that President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>used regarding Charlotte. And you're going to have to paint

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<v Speaker 1>that picture of Charlottesville for our listeners. Que, I'll finish

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<v Speaker 1>reading the letter. He says, President Trump got ridiculed to

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<v Speaker 1>the hilt, So now will Q publicly acknowledge that President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's point was fine? And the same as cues that

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say, the quote, which was from President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you had some very bad people in that group, but

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<v Speaker 1>you also had people that were very fine people on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. Okay, that's Trump's quote. Q's quote is I

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<v Speaker 1>hate the way this sounds. There are good people on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. And then he finishes his email by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>my main point for bringing this up is that like

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, or like him or not? Back then

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<v Speaker 1>those words were taken out of context. What other words

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump's were and continue to be taken out of context.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, this is an individual that you know is

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<v Speaker 1>a let's call him a defender of President Trump, right

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<v Speaker 1>wing ideology, conservative beliefs, anything like this right, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make these people necessarily wrong. It's just a different

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to start at the conversation at just a

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<v Speaker 1>different way of viewing our shared reality. Okay, now, qute,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that hit you? Initially?

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<v Speaker 2>Many of you that are listening to the show may

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<v Speaker 2>not realize that I do not subscribe to our show's

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<v Speaker 2>social media because of the alternate reality that some of

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners have the benefit of living in, and people

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<v Speaker 2>don't simply disagree with us. People get pretty aggressive and

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<v Speaker 2>vehemently angry and nasty toward us. Philip has not ever

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<v Speaker 2>been that way. But a lot of people that disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with our position, our thoughts, or our opinions, they aim

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<v Speaker 2>as low as possible, and I'm guessing to get the

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<v Speaker 2>type of reaction that they get from me when I

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<v Speaker 2>see it. Part of what Philip said, however, in this

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<v Speaker 2>email made my stomach hurt. And I'm not being hyperbolic,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exaggerating. I was driving my car. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to pull over at a gas station and stop driving

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<v Speaker 2>because it made me physically sick. Those words that made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel that way, where Q sounded just like President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and part of me knew something like that could or

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<v Speaker 2>would happen when I said the words, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I hate the way this sounds. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>saw our clock and I knew that there was not

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<v Speaker 2>enough time for me to further give contact, to further elaborate,

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<v Speaker 2>to further explain my position on that, and someone who

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<v Speaker 2>would use a lack of context and semantics to try

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<v Speaker 2>to draw a conclusion that I'd ever shared a similar

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<v Speaker 2>thought to President Trump on anything, would have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. So that was my initial feeling when

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<v Speaker 2>you forwarded that message to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how about this. Now, if we have a

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<v Speaker 1>moment where we can provide some context, what was it

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<v Speaker 1>about President Trump's saying there were good people on both

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<v Speaker 1>sides that felt problematic?

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<v Speaker 2>My first issue, I think was similar to everyone's right.

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<v Speaker 2>This response from President Trump was mostly in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of people trying to get him to denounce or speak

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<v Speaker 2>against white nationalism, white supremacy, and neo Nazism, and President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump very intentionally conflated those who were Confederate proud to

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<v Speaker 2>that discussion to give himself the leniency to say that

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<v Speaker 2>there were decent people on both sides. I could get

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<v Speaker 2>into the definitions of neo Nazism, the Nazi Party under

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<v Speaker 2>then Adolph Hitler. I could get into white supremacy and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very simple and direct definition. I can get into

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<v Speaker 2>the ku Klux Klan and the Knights of the ku

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<v Speaker 2>Klux Klan who were also present in Charlottesville. I could

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<v Speaker 2>get into all the specifics of why those things were problematic.

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<v Speaker 2>But if your way out was some of those people

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<v Speaker 2>were just there to commemorate General Lee, whose statue had

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<v Speaker 2>been removed, I'd like to give you that. Except the

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<v Speaker 2>President very very intentionally conflated those things, because that was

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<v Speaker 2>a totally separate protest. But let's talk about the Confederacy,

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<v Speaker 2>since we want to celebrate American heroes, as you would

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<v Speaker 2>call them. I'd like to believe that the Confederacy lost

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<v Speaker 2>a war where they were the enemy of what is

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<v Speaker 2>now the United.

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<v Speaker 1>States, what was then the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Confederacy formed for the sole reason of maintaining

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<v Speaker 2>slavery of black and African Americans. That's all. So are

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<v Speaker 2>those very fine people who still today want to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>and commemorate the Confederacy. And in the other case, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>call those that oppose this country treasonous, we'd call them traders.

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<v Speaker 2>But because what is being upheld stands shoulder to shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>with white supremacy, there are those that feel that way

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<v Speaker 2>and want to just call it pride for the history

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<v Speaker 2>of this country. So the problems were very, very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to point out. Is you don't I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>literally read those definitions, but I don't want to insult

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners. I don't want to insult Philip he knows better.

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<v Speaker 2>So to use this as a moment to try to

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<v Speaker 2>say that I sound like President Trump would be you

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally ignoring what I meant when I said so if

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<v Speaker 2>I may. There are people that are victims of this

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<v Speaker 2>conflict that are not directly involved in the conflict. There

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<v Speaker 2>are women and children in Tel Aviv. There are women

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<v Speaker 2>and children in Gaza, Palestine and Israeli who are not

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<v Speaker 2>the pro Israeli government and who are not pro Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>They just simply want to live and eat, be healthy

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<v Speaker 2>and prosper and want the same for their children, who

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<v Speaker 2>just by nature of proximity of where they live and

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<v Speaker 2>were born, are victims of this conflict. The numbers show

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<v Speaker 2>that the casualties are far greater on the Palestinian side,

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<v Speaker 2>far greater in multiples of thousands. But there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who are victims of this conflict and its violence who

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<v Speaker 2>do not have anything to do with the conflict, and

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<v Speaker 2>who do not stand in support of those who are

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<v Speaker 2>participating in this conflict aggressively. Who I mentioned are good

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<v Speaker 2>people who love and are kind. Oh, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the time for me to show you how great or

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<v Speaker 2>good of a person I am. I never profess to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said on this show and other shows multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>I am no one's intellectual or moral superior. I have

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<v Speaker 2>broken hearts, I have hurt feelings, I have failed in

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<v Speaker 2>my duties as whatever position that I play in the

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<v Speaker 2>lives of people that care about me many times. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a flex of how much better a

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<v Speaker 2>person I am than you, but the idea that my ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>my thoughts could ever be in line with that of

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<v Speaker 2>our former president is a ridiculous thing to say out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you've ever heard any episode besides the one

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<v Speaker 2>that you picked this quote from. The good people on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides in this case and any other time you

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<v Speaker 2>hear me say it, are the women and children and men,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm not going to keep acting like men's lives

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<v Speaker 2>don't matter in these conversations, and all men are a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the conflict. They're not. There are fathers, sons,

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<v Speaker 2>uncles and brothers who are just trying to survive and

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<v Speaker 2>protect those that they care about. Because I have seen

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli people protests against this conflict and their current political leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>as you've seen Palestinians, of course, and those who are

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<v Speaker 2>neither Israeli or Planets or Palestinian protesting all over the

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<v Speaker 2>world because this conflict has been for some time now

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<v Speaker 2>out of hand. Too many lives are being treated as

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<v Speaker 2>if they have no Worth Ramses has said on these

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<v Speaker 2>microphones that one child's life was too much. The numbers

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<v Speaker 2>now in the thousands of women and children, and they

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<v Speaker 2>use those numbers intentionally as to say, Hey, these people

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<v Speaker 2>who in some of these cases are completely defenseless, are

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<v Speaker 2>dying because of what? Because you want to get at

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<v Speaker 2>your licked back. At what point are you just cruel?

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<v Speaker 2>At what point are you just a bully? At what

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<v Speaker 2>point are you continuing to show what some of us

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<v Speaker 2>already know, that your capitalist pursuits are more important or

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<v Speaker 2>worth more than the lives of anyone, including American children,

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<v Speaker 2>as to not have a conversation about our gun lobby

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<v Speaker 2>and our gun laws. At what point do we acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that our pursuit for power and control is gratuitous, that

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<v Speaker 2>we are gluttons for both, and that we've decided that

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<v Speaker 2>we will sacrifice anything to have as much money, as

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<v Speaker 2>much influenced control and power as we could possibly grasp,

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<v Speaker 2>and even more than we could grasp.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we know what to do with so Our.

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<v Speaker 2>President's comments were to convince I won't even say convinced,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not want to speak against those who vote

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<v Speaker 2>for him. Flatly, I do not want to call all

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<v Speaker 2>of these people bad. I want to give myself an

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<v Speaker 2>out so that when I go to my rallies, I

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<v Speaker 2>can say, ha ha, No, I didn't say that. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say that you were all bad. Some of you

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<v Speaker 2>are fine people. Because those people vote for him. So

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<v Speaker 2>our former president is either a supporter of neo nazi,

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<v Speaker 2>white nationalists, white supremacists, or enjoys that they like him.

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<v Speaker 2>He either subscribes to their ideals or pretends to so

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<v Speaker 2>that he can have their support. I don't know which

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<v Speaker 2>is worst. So to Philip, no, it's not time that

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<v Speaker 2>I come out and admit that he said anything of

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<v Speaker 2>any worth, of any value, or that I share any

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts of his and its entirety. I am objectively opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to everything he's ever said, and I will never pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that anything that he's done politically successful will make him

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<v Speaker 2>the type of person fit to lead our country.

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<v Speaker 1>May I ask, in short, do you feel that? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>let me start over, how about this? When I think

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump was talking about both sides, there's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that provides a lot of context. There was a side

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<v Speaker 1>of people that were organized marching to make a statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had tiki torches and they were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing the Nazi salutes and so forth, and anybody that

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<v Speaker 1>chooses to stand with them stands on the wrong side.

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<v Speaker 1>If this side that is doing the Nazi salutes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>always the wrong side, right. I think that generally speaking

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, most people would agree with that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the wrong side. So for someone to say there

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<v Speaker 1>are good people on both sides, implying that that side

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<v Speaker 1>has good people in it, that is the former president

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<v Speaker 1>being ambiguous enough again to not offend those folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would not alienate his base.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. And when you say that there are good people

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides, or something similar to that, discussing how

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<v Speaker 1>there are Jewish people, Israeli people, pro is written Israeli people,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, and then the protesters people that are

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<v Speaker 1>in supportive ending the conflict, people in support of the ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 1>and these people could end up on opposite sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation that there are good people, well intentioned, well

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<v Speaker 1>meaning people on both sides of that. My guess is

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<v Speaker 1>that you're thinking that that is a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>true to what you're trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had more time, well,