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Speaker 1: have been burying the Epstein lead, or should I say

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Speaker 1: we have been burying the trump Stein lead. Trump has

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Speaker 1: sued Rupert Murdoch over the Jeffrey Epstein body letter story,

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Speaker 1: a comparatively trivial story. He has now sued him, officially

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Speaker 1: for twenty billion dollars. Rupert Murdoch. He has sued Rupert Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: the one man who has done more than anyone else

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Speaker 1: to enable Trump, to clear the path for Trump's dictatorship,

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Speaker 1: to destroy American democracy after destroying British democracy and Australian democracy,

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Speaker 1: and to ultimately presumably save Trump from being institutionalized by

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Speaker 1: his own family as his mind had grown softer and

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Speaker 1: softer and his business touch had grown worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: He's suing that guy, and he's suing him amid rumors

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Speaker 1: throughout the television and print news industries that Murdoch, especially

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, has more on Trump and Epstein

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Speaker 1: and trump Stein, and is vetting that more and shaping

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Speaker 1: it as we speak. He's suing what we used to

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Speaker 1: call the guy who owns all the ink genius. Genius

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Speaker 1: it tells you. He's putting Rupert Murdoch in a position

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Speaker 1: in which soon or late to survive, for Murdoch's News

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Speaker 1: Corp empire to survive, for his children to survive, Murdoch

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Speaker 1: or his heirs will have to destroy Trump. He is

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Speaker 1: making the Epstein story, the trump Stein story existential for

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch, who owns Fox News, who still programs Fox News,

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Speaker 1: who could take Fox News off the air tomorrow or

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Speaker 1: turn it against Trump tomorrow, or even if his own

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Speaker 1: family or board members tried to stop him, Rupert could

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Speaker 1: still throw all of Fox News and News Corp. And

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal and The New York Post into chaos.

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Speaker 1: It could cost him seven hundred and eighty seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars just to settle this the way the Dominion Voting

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Speaker 1: System's lawsuit settlement did, and more importantly, a lot of

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Speaker 1: his remaining limited time on this Earth could cost Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: at minimum a money making franchise like the Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: Crazytown Hour. This is how Murdoch sees it. Trump suing Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: It's like Jesus suing John the Baptist. I like the

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Speaker 1: good publicity, and it guarantees that the Epstein story is

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Speaker 1: never ever going away. Jesus suing John the Baptist, Epstein's

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Speaker 1: story never going away, Epstein's story becoming the trump Stein story.

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Speaker 1: There's only one word for that, Thank you, Nancy Faust.

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Speaker 1: Trump's mental problems are really cresting at a truly unfortunate

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Speaker 1: time for him, because it is apparent he has forgotten

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Speaker 1: what happens in a lawsuit when you sue somebody. Quote.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to getting Grupert Murdoch to test it

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Speaker 1: find my lawsuit against him at his pile of garbage newspaper,

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Speaker 1: the WSJ. That will be an interesting experience. Exclamation point,

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Speaker 1: exclamation point, exclamation point. Trump seems to have forgotten that

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Speaker 1: in such a lawsuit he would also have to testify,

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Speaker 1: or at least give a deposition for days. There is

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Speaker 1: reason to suspect this lawsuit will go away at some point,

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Speaker 1: but not until after it has destroyed Trump. Also, his

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Speaker 1: lawyers apparently do not understand the English language from the

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Speaker 1: lawsuit Item sixteen. The article was published in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal as an exclusive. However, since publication, defendants have

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Speaker 1: widely disseminated it to hundreds of millions of people worldwide.

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Speaker 1: It appears one of Trump's lawyers thinks the word exclusive

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Speaker 1: means it's a secret, or it's some kind of news

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Speaker 1: story that nobody is allowed to read or quote or mention.

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Speaker 1: Or just when you thought Amil Bovi and Alina Haba

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Speaker 1: underneath that barrel. By the way, there is an Epstein

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Speaker 1: client list that also factors into this from the Hill,

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Speaker 1: written by Chris Truax, who used to be a campaign

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Speaker 1: official with John McCain. Oops, some people remember things. He writes. Quote,

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Speaker 1: there is a list of clients related to the billionaire

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Speaker 1: sex offenders underage trafficking charges, and its existence is a

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Speaker 1: matter of public record. We know that Pam Bondi's carefully

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Speaker 1: the quotation marks are in the memo is also nonsense.

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Speaker 1: As an aside, that's Pam Bondi, the Florida Attorney General

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Speaker 1: who didn't prosecute Epstein. Back to Chris Truax in The Hill,

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Speaker 1: there might not have been a quote client list in

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Speaker 1: the FBI's Epstein files, but the FBI certainly has compiled

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Speaker 1: a list of clients when the FBI rated Epstein's New

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Speaker 1: York mansion. They seized a vast amount of material, and

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Speaker 1: compact discs labeled young name plus name. In short, Epstein

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Speaker 1: kept a carefully curated library of videos showing various people

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Speaker 1: of insurance at the Bondy admits that Epstein harmed over

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Speaker 1: five thousand encounters. It's safe to assume this wasn't all

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Speaker 1: files of DVDs labeled with perpetrators' names. The FBI and

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Speaker 1: Pam Bondy know exactly who was involved. So there is

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Speaker 1: an Epstein client list, and Pam Bondy has it, and

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Speaker 1: the words client list written on it in crayon by Epstein.

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Speaker 1: To add to this, ABC News reported quote, the only

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Speaker 1: catalog of evidence that appears to be an accounting of

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Speaker 1: evidence seized during the searches of Epstein's properties. The three

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Speaker 1: page index is a report generated by the FBI. According

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Speaker 1: to it, the remaining materials include forty computers and electronic devices,

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Speaker 1: recording devices. The devices hold more than three hundred gigabytes

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Speaker 1: five massage tables, four busts of female body parts, a

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Speaker 1: pair of women's cowboy boots, and one stuffed dog. There

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Speaker 1: is an Epstein client list, and it's three hundred gigabytes

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Speaker 1: forty computers. And in short, I have kept a record

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Speaker 1: Not only that, but there's an Epstein client list library.

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Speaker 1: The polling on this is extraordinary. The public does not

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Speaker 1: any more than the Access Hollywood tape of twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: Trump was not President, and neither Access Hollywood nor Stormy

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Speaker 1: Daniels was the wet dream conspiracy theory that keeps Trump's

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Speaker 1: than could be arbitrarily released on a short deadline. This effort,

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Speaker 1: And again, we're looking at something the size of the

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Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. My office was told that these personnel

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Speaker 1: records in which President Trump was mentioned? A Please list

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Speaker 1: Eddie Izzard of England how to found a new country.

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Speaker 1: I claim this country for mine. Do you have a flag? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And just as if more were needed here, since I

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Speaker 1: he repeated his request that grand jury testimony be released,

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Speaker 1: a glimmer of insight. You know about Shakespearean and in

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Speaker 1: it and then gets hit by a bus That Shakespearean

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Speaker 1: It will always be more more more. Well, yeah, got

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Speaker 1: that right, sparky, and you invoked the Andrea True connection,

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Speaker 1: thinking of another phrase, coup de gras Tennessee Ernie Williams

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Speaker 1: not only not some sort of baseball original six, it's

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Speaker 1: not even the original name of this Cleveland team. Four

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Speaker 1: where the storied passed. Now, I'm sorry. In eighteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's old franchise, Cleveland Spiders, lost one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: four out of one hundred and fifty four games. They

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Speaker 1: were so bad they stopped playing home games. They just

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Speaker 1: went on the road and then disappeared forever. This newer team,

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Speaker 1: the Old Indians. They won the World Series in nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty and nineteen forty eight, and since then nothing nice town,

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Speaker 1: great fans, some great players, laugh out loud. Past. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no World series since nineteen forty eight. That's a more

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Speaker 1: unstoried past than even the one World Series in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four years. Crapshack, New York Yankees. Five. Finally,

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Speaker 1: so who does Trump think constitutes baseball's six original teams?

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Speaker 1: I'm just guessing, because, as I said, it must have

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Speaker 1: been a dream. Let's guess Cleveland Indians of course, and

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Speaker 1: Montreal Montreal Canoodleman, and of course the Yankees and the

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Speaker 1: New York Knights from the movie The Natural. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's see two more, the Saint John Barns, and of

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Speaker 1: course Chico's bail bonds. One quick reference to the cultural

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Speaker 1: story of the moment, the cold Play Canoodlers just move

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Speaker 1: from Montreal, particularly this rash of articles and tisk tisk

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Speaker 1: pieces about how none of us should be mocking two

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Speaker 1: people who managed to destroy their families and their careers

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Speaker 1: at that concert. Seriously, has anybody noticed that there is

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Speaker 1: an insurance commercial running right now, right now on television

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Speaker 1: postulating the mayhem caused by a stadium kiss cam if

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Speaker 1: somebody were to kiss somebody else's wife. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: just played out in real life. Is not original. Not

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Speaker 1: just not original. It was literally foretold an insurance commercial.

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Speaker 1: Don't you make fun of them. More importantly, they were

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Speaker 1: at a Coldplay concert. Their lives were already over. Also

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Speaker 1: of interest here you may get mad at me for

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Speaker 1: saying this, but I have to explain it. No, Stephen

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Speaker 1: Colbert was not canceled just to appease Trump. That might

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Speaker 1: be a side component to it, but no, Stephen Colbert

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Speaker 1: was not canceled just to appease Trump. Stop giving Trump

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Speaker 1: credit for this. Moreover, there is one inarguable and unanswerable

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Speaker 1: fact that proves Stephen Colbert was not canceled just to

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Speaker 1: appease Trump. That's next. This is Countdown, George Caroling, the

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you here. Thank you. This is the

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Speaker 1: best news show ever. I told that to one of

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Speaker 1: your producers, and I want you to know that I've

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Speaker 1: seen them all and it's just for especially the first

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. Thank you such just and I got

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Speaker 1: bad news between you and I. We got six minutes

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Speaker 1: to completely throw.

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Speaker 2: That in there.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, Still ahead on Countdown. Haven't done any thurber lately.

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Speaker 1: I think it is time to bring out the Thurber

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Speaker 1: of all Thurbers, the greatest man in the world. Spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: He's now President of the United States. On Mondays with Thurber.

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Speaker 1: But first postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates,

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Speaker 1: some snark. This is the Countdown podcast, and these are

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Speaker 1: the places where there's news. Dateline the Ed Sullivan Theater,

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Speaker 1: New York. If you heard my bulletin Thursday night on

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Speaker 1: Trump's Epstein cover up and his escalation of that story

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Speaker 1: into something that now cannot and will not ever go away,

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Speaker 1: is it attack on his own cult? You may have

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Speaker 1: heard that. As I was recording that bulletin, a different

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Speaker 1: and separate story broke and we included that in the

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Speaker 1: bulletin the cancelation of Stephen Colbert's show by CBS. I

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Speaker 1: want to revisit this after a couple of days of

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Speaker 1: thinking about it, because virtually everything I have seen about

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Speaker 1: the cancelation of the Colbert Show since then, from those

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Speaker 1: who are appalled by it and those who are gloating

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Speaker 1: over it, has accepted on both sides without a second thought,

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Speaker 1: that Colbert was canceled as part of Trump's attack on dissent,

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Speaker 1: as part of the new ownership there turning CBS into

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Speaker 1: the proverbial whorehouse network, as Patty Chaievsky had it described

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Speaker 1: in his movie Network. It's not true. Well, it's true

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Speaker 1: in part. But I'm going to say something to you

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Speaker 1: that has already enraged friends of mine when I have

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Speaker 1: said it to them. Not in large part. Stephen Colbert's

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Speaker 1: show was not canceled because of Trump. Stephen Colbert's show

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Speaker 1: was not canceled because he was critical of Trump. Stephen

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Speaker 1: Colbert is not a martyr to criticism of Trump. If anything,

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Speaker 1: this is the Phil Donahue cancelation story all over again.

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Speaker 1: If anything, CBS may be using both Trump and Colbert

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Speaker 1: to get away with this, Trump as an excuse for

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Speaker 1: firing Colbert and shutting down that franchise, Colbert as a

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Speaker 1: sacrificial lamb to appease Trump, a sacrificial lamb, and who

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Speaker 1: they have been trying to sacrifice for several years now,

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Speaker 1: and who I think they would have sacrificed even if

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris were president right now, and if not right

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Speaker 1: now then at the end of his contract next year.

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Speaker 1: I understand this does not fit the narrative, and I

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Speaker 1: confess I do not know the world of Late Night

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Speaker 1: television as well or as personally as I used to

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Speaker 1: know the world of cable news. When Phil Donahue was

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Speaker 1: canceled and fired by MSNBC in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: I mean when that happened, I was literally working at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: They asked me about it, they told me they were

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Speaker 1: going to do it, they walked through the logic of

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Speaker 1: it when it happened. But I do know the late

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Speaker 1: night TV world. I was on David Letterman Show eighteen times.

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Speaker 1: I was on Leno's show three four or five times,

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Speaker 1: Conan once, Fallon once, Snyder three times, mar Like four times. Hell,

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Speaker 1: I may be the last living survivor of the late

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Speaker 1: night Pat Sayjack show on CBS from the eighties. At

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Speaker 1: least I'm the last one who still admits it. I

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Speaker 1: still have friends who work in late night television, and

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Speaker 1: whatever I do not know, they sure do. It's happening

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Speaker 1: to them. Late night television is dying. And just as

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Speaker 1: there was an unanswerable fact that disproved the idea that

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Speaker 1: Phil Donna, who had been canceled purely so NBC could

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Speaker 1: obey in advance, purely to censor anti war commentary to

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Speaker 1: terrified dissenters. There is also a different but equally unanswerable

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Speaker 1: fact that disproves this idea that Stephen Colbert has been

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Speaker 1: canceled purely to obey in advance, purely to censor anti

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Speaker 1: Trump commentary to terrified dissenters. In the Donahue case in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three, the unanswerable fact was this, MSNBC

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Speaker 1: sure canceled Phil Dona Hugh's liberal show just as we

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Speaker 1: went into Iraq, canceled it in Phil Dona Hugh's liberal

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Speaker 1: eight PM timeslot, canceled the whole operation, fired half the people,

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Speaker 1: shut down the studio, ushered the live audience out of

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Speaker 1: the building, and then they replaced Phil Donahues liberal eight

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Speaker 1: PM show with me. I would argue modestly that eight

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Speaker 1: pm got more liberal at MSNBC, not less. Why in

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Speaker 1: the hell would they go through all that to get

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Speaker 1: rid of a liberal only two put on a liberal

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Speaker 1: who actually got ratings and made the network a success. Money.

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Speaker 1: In the Colbert case, it's also money, and the unanswerable

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Speaker 1: money fact comes in the form of a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 1: They canceled Colbert last Thursday, effective next May. Next May.

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Speaker 1: If you are repressing dissent. If you are martyring Stephen

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Speaker 1: Colbert at the devil worshiping altar of Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 1: hell you're letting him stay on the air for the

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Speaker 1: next ten months. For the next ten months, he will

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Speaker 1: be an uncontrollable lame duck, free to say almost anything

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Speaker 1: about Trump, about Sherry Redstone, who now owns CBS, about

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Speaker 1: this baboon Larry Ellison, about the deplorable and dishonest new

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Speaker 1: CBS boss Jeff Shell, about what Trump is doing to media.

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Speaker 1: What are they going to do to Colbert if he

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Speaker 1: does say something like that's something really bad? Fire him again?

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Speaker 1: What if he waits a few months to collect the

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Speaker 1: larger part of his fifteen million dollar salary and then

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Speaker 1: blows them up at Christmas? If this were purely political purge,

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Speaker 1: he would have been canceled effective that night. If they

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Speaker 1: liked him, they would have said, Okay, you can go

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Speaker 1: on and say goodbye, and if you say anything wrong,

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Speaker 1: we'll edit it out and replace it with I don't

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Speaker 1: know what was the guy's name, the letterman sidekick Larry

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Speaker 1: sid Melman. You don't fire a guy because he rightly

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Speaker 1: hates Trump and punish him because he rightly hates Trump,

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Speaker 1: and humiliate him because he rightly hates Trump, and take

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Speaker 1: away his career because he rightly hates Trump, and then

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Speaker 1: say to him, well, now go out there, son, and

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Speaker 1: do the best hour long satirical political interview show you

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Speaker 1: can for the next forty three weeks. Go out there

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Speaker 1: and give us the best two hundred and fifteen shows

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Speaker 1: you can come up with. We'll just assume you won't

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Speaker 1: do anything that he'll embarrass us. We'll just assume you

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Speaker 1: won't mention Trump at all in the next forty three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Even if you think that Colbert, a uniquely stubborn individual,

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Speaker 1: will play ball like that for fifteen million dollars after

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Speaker 1: making fifteen million dollars for nearly ten years, so he

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Speaker 1: should have enough money to carry him through the rest

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Speaker 1: of this and several other lifetimes. If you really think

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Speaker 1: he is going to censor himself and just interview Renee

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Speaker 1: Zelweger every night for the next forty three weeks, every

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Speaker 1: night he's on the air, just sitting there starting with

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Speaker 1: tonight's show, will be another red flag to the anti

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Speaker 1: Trump bulls. Every time you see Stephen Colbert, you will

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Speaker 1: think he got canceled. Because of Trump. Why is he

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Speaker 1: still on CBS If this really was about that, what

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Speaker 1: are you trying to accomplish? And how have you just

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Speaker 1: sabotaged that? If you're firing him to shut him up,

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Speaker 1: he needs to shut up. I don't think it's that difficult.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're overlooking the most obvious thing in

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Speaker 1: the world. If they were firing him to keep him

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Speaker 1: from making comments about Trump and to please Trump and

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Speaker 1: to think Trump make him believe he's running CBS, they

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Speaker 1: would have taken him off the air. As an additional reminder,

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Speaker 1: I'll point out Stephen Colbert doesn't even have to blow

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Speaker 1: up on CBS. He can say something to a reporter,

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Speaker 1: he can say something at an event. He can wait,

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Speaker 1: as I said, until next spring and say it then

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Speaker 1: and get the money and say the nasty thing and

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Speaker 1: blame Sherry Redstone and say, I don't know Sherry Redstone

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Speaker 1: is in the Epstein files. That's free for nothing. He

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Speaker 1: can run with that, Steven. I mean, he could keep

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Speaker 1: his tongue till the contract runs out next May and

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Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life attacking Trump. That's what

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Speaker 1: I did it at Fox. Fox took me off the air.

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Speaker 1: And expected I would be enraged and say something that

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Speaker 1: would allow them not to pay me the remaining one

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Speaker 1: point two five million dollars on my contract or whatever

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Speaker 1: it was in the year two thousand and one. And

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Speaker 1: I looked at it and I said, are you people

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Speaker 1: out of your minds? You're gonna pay me this amount

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Speaker 1: of money for the next eight months, then I get

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Speaker 1: to say all these terrible things about you. You're expecting

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Speaker 1: me to start saying it now because I feel like

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Speaker 1: saying it now. I'll I'll just hone the material. Colbert

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Speaker 1: can spend the next ten months practicing what he's going

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Speaker 1: to do to Trump when his show is off the

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Speaker 1: air and you're underwriting it. CBS once had me play

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Speaker 1: out my contract after they decided not to renew my contract,

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Speaker 1: and I was on the air every night for I

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Speaker 1: think two and a half months on the local station

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at a price to them of half

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Speaker 1: a million dollars a year pro rated obviously, and they

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Speaker 1: trust me with doing the news and not just the

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Speaker 1: sports news. I anchored Magic Johnson's announcement that he had HIV.

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Speaker 1: I was on the air from something that important, live

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Speaker 1: and unsupervised for ten or twelve hours one day and

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Speaker 1: every other day. I was on the news three times

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Speaker 1: a day and half an hour on Sundays and after

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Speaker 1: the football games. They trusted me to do it. They

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Speaker 1: do sometimes let your run out your contract because they

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Speaker 1: want to get something out of the money they're paying you.

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Speaker 1: But you don't do that if you're expecting that you

640
00:47:46,195 --> 00:47:58,075
Speaker 1: are silencing an evil, trouble making liberal bastard. The finances

641
00:47:58,235 --> 00:48:02,995
Speaker 1: of this industry are terrible. Throughout television. There's almost nothing

642
00:48:03,195 --> 00:48:08,315
Speaker 1: making money on network televie vision. That's not a cover story.

643
00:48:08,995 --> 00:48:13,555
Speaker 1: The online ad data firm Guideline reports that the networks

644
00:48:13,835 --> 00:48:17,035
Speaker 1: combined late night show ad revenues in the year twenty

645
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Speaker 1: eighteen totaled four hundred and thirty nine million dollars. That's

646
00:48:22,515 --> 00:48:27,155
Speaker 1: the ABC, CBS and NBC shows. By last year, that

647
00:48:27,195 --> 00:48:29,315
Speaker 1: figure four hundred and thirty nine million was down to

648
00:48:29,315 --> 00:48:35,235
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty million half Colbert alone. That show

649
00:48:35,875 --> 00:48:40,635
Speaker 1: is making fifty million dollars a year less in advertising revenue,

650
00:48:40,675 --> 00:48:44,275
Speaker 1: not profits, but in incoming money. Fifty million a year

651
00:48:44,395 --> 00:48:48,315
Speaker 1: less than it was five or six years ago. Doesn't

652
00:48:48,355 --> 00:48:50,835
Speaker 1: matter that it's number one rated among the shows. If

653
00:48:50,835 --> 00:48:56,075
Speaker 1: they're all terribly rated. Being number one doesn't make much difference,

654
00:48:56,835 --> 00:48:59,795
Speaker 1: and it's not political reasons that have driven the viewers away.

655
00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:03,875
Speaker 1: It's not exclusive to him. The good shows and the

656
00:49:03,915 --> 00:49:07,395
Speaker 1: bad shows based on ratings, metrics or your personal opinion

657
00:49:07,515 --> 00:49:10,315
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with it. The reason late

658
00:49:10,435 --> 00:49:13,755
Speaker 1: night television made so much money over about a forty

659
00:49:13,835 --> 00:49:18,275
Speaker 1: year span was that its peak at a decade ago,

660
00:49:18,475 --> 00:49:20,995
Speaker 1: it was the last thing left on TV outside of

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00:49:21,035 --> 00:49:26,315
Speaker 1: sports that drew the younger audience viewers under forty, viewers

662
00:49:26,435 --> 00:49:30,795
Speaker 1: under twenty five, and they are now gone gone. They

663
00:49:30,795 --> 00:49:34,355
Speaker 1: don't watch television at all, let alone Stephen Colbert at

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty five at night after your late local news.

665
00:49:37,795 --> 00:49:44,235
Speaker 1: They're gone. Colbert's audience under the age of fifty is

666
00:49:44,275 --> 00:49:49,075
Speaker 1: now two hundred and nineteen thousand viewers a night. A

667
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Speaker 1: tenth of his audience is in the so called ad demo.

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00:49:53,915 --> 00:49:57,395
Speaker 1: In twy ten, two hundred and nineteen thousand younger viewers

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Speaker 1: was a good, strong, kind of towards average night for

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Speaker 1: young viewers for Countdown on MSNBC. That's how much the

671
00:50:09,635 --> 00:50:13,275
Speaker 1: industry has changed. What used to be pretty good but

672
00:50:13,475 --> 00:50:17,115
Speaker 1: not spectacular for cable. We sometimes had four hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: younger viewers or three hundred thousand younger viewers. Two hundred

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Speaker 1: nineteen thousand younger viewers. Okay, we did well. There wasn't

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00:50:24,395 --> 00:50:27,835
Speaker 1: anything particularly driving the news or whatever. Two hundred nineteen

676
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Speaker 1: thousand younger viewers was now the number one rating in

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00:50:30,795 --> 00:50:35,195
Speaker 1: late night television. There's a point at which it no

678
00:50:35,275 --> 00:50:39,875
Speaker 1: longer becomes worth turning on the lights or spending the

679
00:50:39,915 --> 00:50:45,915
Speaker 1: money to broadcast in color rather than black and white.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at what happened to Seth Myers last year.

681
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Speaker 1: I think it was first they cut back to four

682
00:50:52,555 --> 00:50:56,315
Speaker 1: shows a week, four new shows a week and a rerun.

683
00:50:57,355 --> 00:51:01,475
Speaker 1: Then they cut the work schedule back from four nights

684
00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:03,995
Speaker 1: a week doing four shows to three nights a week

685
00:51:04,035 --> 00:51:07,275
Speaker 1: doing four show. On most occasions, one day they would

686
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Speaker 1: do two shows in one day. The staff was exhausted,

687
00:51:11,675 --> 00:51:15,555
Speaker 1: and those were methods and changes made to try to

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Speaker 1: preserve the franchise. I don't know if they proposed that

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Speaker 1: to Colbert, to go to four nights a week or

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00:51:21,875 --> 00:51:27,835
Speaker 1: to go to three work days a week. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Seth Myers is next. Do you think Stephen Colbert's is

692
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Speaker 1: the first CBS late night show or the first late

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00:51:35,315 --> 00:51:40,075
Speaker 1: night show to get canceled recently. You didn't know about

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00:51:40,075 --> 00:51:43,995
Speaker 1: the other one CBS canceled a couple months ago. You

695
00:51:43,995 --> 00:51:46,595
Speaker 1: didn't know about it because you never heard about it.

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00:51:46,595 --> 00:51:50,435
Speaker 1: It was called After Midnight, and it was on after Colbert,

697
00:51:50,515 --> 00:51:54,355
Speaker 1: It was on at It was on at twelve thirty AM,

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00:51:54,635 --> 00:51:57,515
Speaker 1: and it ran for one hundred and ninety nine episodes,

699
00:51:57,555 --> 00:52:01,155
Speaker 1: not two hundred, one hundred and ninety nine. They canceled

700
00:52:01,195 --> 00:52:05,675
Speaker 1: it right before the milestone. They canceled it last month

701
00:52:05,795 --> 00:52:12,995
Speaker 1: was the last episode. The host was Taylor Tomlinson. She

702
00:52:13,835 --> 00:52:17,995
Speaker 1: it was part talk show, part game show, and complete failure,

703
00:52:18,155 --> 00:52:20,435
Speaker 1: not because of her, not because of the format, but

704
00:52:20,475 --> 00:52:25,675
Speaker 1: because people are not watching at all. As the old

705
00:52:25,795 --> 00:52:29,035
Speaker 1: gross joke used to go, you could take christ fresh

706
00:52:29,035 --> 00:52:31,195
Speaker 1: off the Cross and put him on at twelve thirty

707
00:52:31,195 --> 00:52:33,915
Speaker 1: five on CBS and he wouldn't get an audience either.

708
00:52:36,675 --> 00:52:40,875
Speaker 1: So Myers is probably next. Not that there's anything wrong

709
00:52:40,915 --> 00:52:44,155
Speaker 1: with what Seth does, nor his commentary being of value,

710
00:52:44,195 --> 00:52:47,275
Speaker 1: but prepare yourself for that. He's on at twelve thirty

711
00:52:47,315 --> 00:52:49,795
Speaker 1: and if there's nobody watching at eleven thirty, to the

712
00:52:49,835 --> 00:52:52,275
Speaker 1: point where the number one show at eleven thirty gets

713
00:52:52,315 --> 00:52:55,795
Speaker 1: canceled because it's no longer economically worth the trouble the

714
00:52:55,875 --> 00:53:00,115
Speaker 1: profits are insufficient. Well, obviously the twelve thirty shows are

715
00:53:00,155 --> 00:53:03,435
Speaker 1: all going to go. The CBS one already went, what's

716
00:53:03,515 --> 00:53:08,635
Speaker 1: left the NBC on one. Now it could be that

717
00:53:08,675 --> 00:53:11,595
Speaker 1: without Colbert in the picture, with just two shows on

718
00:53:11,675 --> 00:53:15,155
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty, Fallon and Kimmel could gain just enough

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00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:18,875
Speaker 1: of his audience to survive. Or maybe one of them

720
00:53:18,915 --> 00:53:22,755
Speaker 1: will survive and the other one won't. It's hard for

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00:53:22,795 --> 00:53:25,435
Speaker 1: people to believe now after the glood of these shows,

722
00:53:26,115 --> 00:53:30,315
Speaker 1: But until the end of the Johnny Carson regime and era,

723
00:53:30,755 --> 00:53:34,075
Speaker 1: there was really only one network late night talk show

724
00:53:34,075 --> 00:53:37,195
Speaker 1: and it was Carson's. They tried a Joey Bishop show

725
00:53:37,235 --> 00:53:40,155
Speaker 1: on CB on ABC, and as I mentioned, they later

726
00:53:40,195 --> 00:53:42,875
Speaker 1: brought in Pat Sajack on the theory that Carson would

727
00:53:42,915 --> 00:53:45,475
Speaker 1: retire soon and say Jack would be the only one

728
00:53:45,515 --> 00:53:47,675
Speaker 1: that was still on the air. Then people would see

729
00:53:47,715 --> 00:53:50,795
Speaker 1: Sajack as, oh, he's the guy I'm familiar with. He's

730
00:53:50,835 --> 00:53:53,395
Speaker 1: still on the air no matter who replaced Carson. Well,

731
00:53:53,435 --> 00:53:55,675
Speaker 1: of course Sajack sucked at it, so that blew that

732
00:53:55,795 --> 00:53:58,075
Speaker 1: plan out the window. But there used to be only

733
00:53:58,115 --> 00:54:01,435
Speaker 1: one late night show. We could get down to one

734
00:54:01,515 --> 00:54:04,395
Speaker 1: late night show again. It could be Fallen, it could

735
00:54:04,435 --> 00:54:08,195
Speaker 1: be Himmel likelier than not to be both of them.

736
00:54:10,235 --> 00:54:13,435
Speaker 1: And the idea that Cole Bear's ratings were the highest

737
00:54:13,515 --> 00:54:20,075
Speaker 1: means nothing. Live TV and information based TV and studio

738
00:54:20,155 --> 00:54:24,995
Speaker 1: based TV. It's dying faster than the rest the sports

739
00:54:25,115 --> 00:54:31,435
Speaker 1: studio shows are dying. MSNBC was ballyhooing the growth in

740
00:54:31,595 --> 00:54:35,675
Speaker 1: ratings in the Jensaki Show, and I looked at the numbers,

741
00:54:35,675 --> 00:54:38,795
Speaker 1: and I was startled to see that her ratings, now

742
00:54:39,595 --> 00:54:43,955
Speaker 1: after some growth, are up to about seventy five percent

743
00:54:44,035 --> 00:54:47,155
Speaker 1: of what my ratings were when I first went back

744
00:54:47,195 --> 00:54:50,835
Speaker 1: on MSNBC in two thousand and three, and nobody watched

745
00:54:50,835 --> 00:54:54,115
Speaker 1: the network, and we were outrated by Fox by ten

746
00:54:54,155 --> 00:54:59,675
Speaker 1: to one and outrated by CNN by like seven to one.

747
00:54:59,835 --> 00:55:03,235
Speaker 1: Right now, our terrible failures of two thousand and three

748
00:55:03,315 --> 00:55:06,035
Speaker 1: are being put out in press releases by the same

749
00:55:06,075 --> 00:55:12,115
Speaker 1: company because they're so comparatively good. Having the top ratings

750
00:55:12,115 --> 00:55:15,555
Speaker 1: doesn't mean as much if your audience, your total audience

751
00:55:15,635 --> 00:55:18,555
Speaker 1: is two million, four hundred thousand people a night, but

752
00:55:18,635 --> 00:55:21,515
Speaker 1: it used to be three million, eight hundred thousand people

753
00:55:21,515 --> 00:55:24,595
Speaker 1: a night, and starting two years ago, there was a

754
00:55:24,635 --> 00:55:28,435
Speaker 1: sea change, literally in one month June twenty twenty three.

755
00:55:28,915 --> 00:55:31,635
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with Trump. I'd love to blame it

756
00:55:31,675 --> 00:55:35,435
Speaker 1: on him, you know me, I'd love to, But right

757
00:55:35,475 --> 00:55:40,355
Speaker 1: then things changed. Streaming improved, the amount of shows available

758
00:55:40,355 --> 00:55:46,115
Speaker 1: in other venues increased. Starting two years ago, the Colbear audience,

759
00:55:46,395 --> 00:55:51,235
Speaker 1: the whole industry's audience, began to disappear, especially that younger audience.

760
00:55:53,555 --> 00:55:57,355
Speaker 1: People also forget, because who bothers to cover this stuff anymore?

761
00:55:57,515 --> 00:56:00,155
Speaker 1: CBS has been trying to get out from under the

762
00:56:00,235 --> 00:56:05,235
Speaker 1: expenses of that terribly expensive Coldbar show for years. The

763
00:56:05,435 --> 00:56:09,635
Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan Theater has been for sale for at least

764
00:56:09,635 --> 00:56:14,115
Speaker 1: a couple of years. The last time I heard they

765
00:56:14,115 --> 00:56:17,435
Speaker 1: were about to cancel Colbert, like the announcement was imminent

766
00:56:17,955 --> 00:56:21,635
Speaker 1: was November twenty seventeen. They were talking about it then.

767
00:56:21,835 --> 00:56:28,435
Speaker 1: The year before was at least half spent with stories

768
00:56:28,435 --> 00:56:32,235
Speaker 1: that they were about to flip flop James Corden, who

769
00:56:32,315 --> 00:56:35,395
Speaker 1: did the twelve thirty Show and Colbert, because Colbert's ratings

770
00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:38,515
Speaker 1: were so bad he'd lost so much of what had

771
00:56:38,515 --> 00:56:41,555
Speaker 1: been Letterman's audience that they weren't going to let him

772
00:56:41,595 --> 00:56:44,515
Speaker 1: continue at eleven thirty every night. It was a disaster.

773
00:56:45,875 --> 00:56:48,075
Speaker 1: Then Trump came along and the ratings went up and

774
00:56:48,115 --> 00:56:51,035
Speaker 1: they started to make some of that money back, and

775
00:56:51,115 --> 00:56:53,675
Speaker 1: they let him have his head, as they say, And

776
00:56:53,755 --> 00:56:57,435
Speaker 1: that continued in pretty good form for CBS for six years,

777
00:56:57,475 --> 00:57:02,435
Speaker 1: and then the bottom fell out two years ago. Now

778
00:57:02,515 --> 00:57:06,595
Speaker 1: my caveat behind all this. I mentioned this in the

779
00:57:06,595 --> 00:57:08,835
Speaker 1: special in the Bulletin on Thursday, but I should own

780
00:57:08,915 --> 00:57:10,595
Speaker 1: up to it again in case you didn't hear that.

781
00:57:10,995 --> 00:57:17,675
Speaker 1: I dislike Stephen Colbert intensely. I saw an Internet meme

782
00:57:18,275 --> 00:57:22,875
Speaker 1: with his picture and his chin on his hands like

783
00:57:22,915 --> 00:57:26,355
Speaker 1: it was glued there, and the mean part of it

784
00:57:26,395 --> 00:57:33,595
Speaker 1: read this is what integrity looks like. Nonsense, bullshit, mean

785
00:57:33,715 --> 00:57:39,435
Speaker 1: spirited phony with almost no integrity at all. And the

786
00:57:39,475 --> 00:57:42,915
Speaker 1: way I judge somebody principally in that regard is this,

787
00:57:43,795 --> 00:57:46,955
Speaker 1: if you do them a favor, you can count on

788
00:57:47,075 --> 00:57:52,835
Speaker 1: them to never remember it. I was asked to be

789
00:57:52,875 --> 00:57:55,555
Speaker 1: a guest on his Comedy Central show when they weren't

790
00:57:55,595 --> 00:57:57,315
Speaker 1: sure it was going to make it to one month

791
00:57:57,475 --> 00:58:00,275
Speaker 1: when they spun him off from John Stewart, and nobody

792
00:58:00,315 --> 00:58:02,595
Speaker 1: watched and nobody wanted to go on the show, and

793
00:58:02,635 --> 00:58:06,635
Speaker 1: they couldn't book anybody. And the guest booker was the

794
00:58:06,635 --> 00:58:09,595
Speaker 1: wife of one of our regular Countdown guests, Jonathan Alt.

795
00:58:09,875 --> 00:58:11,835
Speaker 1: Can you do me? Can you do her a favor?

796
00:58:12,595 --> 00:58:15,035
Speaker 1: Can she ask you to please come on? We'll explain

797
00:58:15,115 --> 00:58:17,075
Speaker 1: the show to you. You'll be the only guest. It'll

798
00:58:17,115 --> 00:58:19,635
Speaker 1: be good publicity for that audience. It'll be a great

799
00:58:19,715 --> 00:58:21,595
Speaker 1: favorite to us. I was like, how many times have

800
00:58:21,635 --> 00:58:25,115
Speaker 1: you been on the show? John's twenty five, twenty six? Okay,

801
00:58:25,155 --> 00:58:29,395
Speaker 1: I owe you that, at least I don't know which

802
00:58:29,475 --> 00:58:32,715
Speaker 1: number show it was, fourth, fifth, seventh. It was within

803
00:58:32,755 --> 00:58:38,235
Speaker 1: the first three weeks of the Colbert Rapport. Then I

804
00:58:38,275 --> 00:58:41,595
Speaker 1: was asked to be a guest on his CBS demo,

805
00:58:41,715 --> 00:58:44,475
Speaker 1: his second or third demo, the Pilot, when they wanted

806
00:58:44,515 --> 00:58:47,515
Speaker 1: to see if it would work in the newly rebuilt

807
00:58:47,675 --> 00:58:51,355
Speaker 1: ed Sullivan Theater. And he asked me, as I told

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00:58:51,395 --> 00:58:54,875
Speaker 1: the other day on the Bulletin podcast, he asked me

809
00:58:54,955 --> 00:58:56,515
Speaker 1: what I was going to do with my career now

810
00:58:56,555 --> 00:58:58,795
Speaker 1: that my ESPN two show had just been canceled. And

811
00:58:58,835 --> 00:59:00,475
Speaker 1: I said, honestly, Steve, and I don't know if there's

812
00:59:00,515 --> 00:59:02,875
Speaker 1: some things going on in news and in sports, and

813
00:59:02,915 --> 00:59:05,315
Speaker 1: I don't know which. And he said, in front of

814
00:59:05,315 --> 00:59:08,275
Speaker 1: a live audience taping, although it wasn't going to be

815
00:59:08,315 --> 00:59:11,275
Speaker 1: on the air, what did you do in countdown when

816
00:59:11,275 --> 00:59:15,355
Speaker 1: somebody gave you a bullshit answer like that? And I

817
00:59:15,395 --> 00:59:18,835
Speaker 1: said to myself, I should just tell him to f

818
00:59:18,955 --> 00:59:21,315
Speaker 1: himself and get up and leave, but it'll be on tape.

819
00:59:21,955 --> 00:59:25,635
Speaker 1: Probably a bad idea, I said, honestly, I'm telling you

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00:59:25,715 --> 00:59:27,675
Speaker 1: the truth. If you don't like it, i'll you know,

821
00:59:27,715 --> 00:59:30,315
Speaker 1: I can leave, that's not a problem. But I'm telling

822
00:59:30,355 --> 00:59:31,675
Speaker 1: you the truth. I don't know what I was going

823
00:59:31,755 --> 00:59:35,915
Speaker 1: to do, and I didn't. Asked to do a favor.

824
00:59:36,275 --> 00:59:38,035
Speaker 1: Go on and do the favor. Get told by the

825
00:59:38,035 --> 00:59:40,155
Speaker 1: guy you're doing the favor for that you're lying to him.

826
00:59:40,475 --> 00:59:42,115
Speaker 1: Then I was asked to do him a third favor.

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Speaker 1: They asked me to come over and do this terrible bit,

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00:59:44,995 --> 00:59:50,475
Speaker 1: a comedy bit. The intro was pre recorded, meaning our

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00:59:50,515 --> 00:59:52,875
Speaker 1: segment was pre recorded. He was live. I saw him

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Speaker 1: as he said this, here's the man who's had more

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00:59:55,355 --> 00:59:57,235
Speaker 1: jobs than you've had hot dinners. And I go home

832
00:59:57,275 --> 00:59:59,075
Speaker 1: to watch it to see if maybe it was funny.

833
00:59:59,115 --> 01:00:03,595
Speaker 1: After they played it, and they changed the intro. Somewhere

834
01:00:03,635 --> 01:00:06,675
Speaker 1: along the line, he re recorded the intro to the

835
01:00:06,715 --> 01:00:09,675
Speaker 1: man who's been fired more times than you've had hot dinners.

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01:00:11,275 --> 01:00:14,275
Speaker 1: Nice touch, you want to make the crack, make it

837
01:00:14,315 --> 01:00:16,955
Speaker 1: while I'm standing there. Don't wait till I leave you, coward,

838
01:00:18,195 --> 01:00:20,315
Speaker 1: And I'll point out once again, for most of his

839
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Speaker 1: tenure at CBS, the executive producer of The Colbert Report

840
01:00:24,275 --> 01:00:29,795
Speaker 1: was Chris Licked, the guy who destroyed CNN, that fopping idiot,

841
01:00:30,315 --> 01:00:36,395
Speaker 1: a Joe Scarborough trainee. How much integrity could Stephen Colbert

842
01:00:36,515 --> 01:00:40,035
Speaker 1: have if he had any? Then he met Chris Lickt,

843
01:00:40,355 --> 01:00:46,995
Speaker 1: who was all sucked into the Chris Licked universe, not

844
01:00:47,075 --> 01:00:50,275
Speaker 1: an honest broker. And the more I have reflected on it,

845
01:00:50,315 --> 01:00:51,955
Speaker 1: the more I think there really was something to the

846
01:00:51,995 --> 01:00:55,435
Speaker 1: old conservative defensive theory we used to laugh about when

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01:00:55,435 --> 01:00:59,835
Speaker 1: the Comedy Central show got successful, in which, if you'll remember,

848
01:00:59,915 --> 01:01:02,355
Speaker 1: it was a stick and once the stick stopped, the

849
01:01:02,395 --> 01:01:06,835
Speaker 1: funny stopped. That he was not a liberal pretending to

850
01:01:06,875 --> 01:01:10,595
Speaker 1: be a stupid conservative. He was a conservative willing to

851
01:01:10,635 --> 01:01:13,635
Speaker 1: take on the mask of being a stupid conservative so

852
01:01:13,675 --> 01:01:19,435
Speaker 1: he could use the liberal media base to surreptitiously counter

853
01:01:19,955 --> 01:01:25,715
Speaker 1: liberal narratives and more importantly, to counter liberal reality and facts.

854
01:01:27,875 --> 01:01:30,115
Speaker 1: And as I said, the worst thing about Stephen Colbert

855
01:01:30,195 --> 01:01:32,515
Speaker 1: is what he ordered his staff to do after they

856
01:01:32,515 --> 01:01:38,315
Speaker 1: took over for Letterman. The show was not even cold yet,

857
01:01:38,315 --> 01:01:41,115
Speaker 1: the last Letterman episode was not even cold yet, and

858
01:01:41,155 --> 01:01:44,395
Speaker 1: the live audience was barely out of the building. And

859
01:01:44,475 --> 01:01:48,435
Speaker 1: the little post mortem party had just barely begun at

860
01:01:48,435 --> 01:01:50,675
Speaker 1: the Metropolitan Museum of Art on that day in the

861
01:01:50,675 --> 01:01:54,395
Speaker 1: spring of twenty fifteen, when Colbert had a literal wrecking

862
01:01:54,435 --> 01:01:57,755
Speaker 1: crew come in and destroy the entirety of the Letterman

863
01:01:57,875 --> 01:02:01,755
Speaker 1: set and the entire contents of the theater, the Ed

864
01:02:01,835 --> 01:02:07,515
Speaker 1: Sullivan Theater, thousands of seats or hundreds of seats in

865
01:02:07,555 --> 01:02:10,435
Speaker 1: the theater that could have gone up as charity auctions,

866
01:02:10,755 --> 01:02:16,395
Speaker 1: the sets Paul Schaffer's musical bandstand. Some of these things

867
01:02:16,435 --> 01:02:20,155
Speaker 1: were retrieved by passers by. These things were thrown out

868
01:02:20,195 --> 01:02:23,835
Speaker 1: overnight onto Broadway. A guy who happened to have a

869
01:02:23,875 --> 01:02:28,715
Speaker 1: truck picked up the Paul Schaeffer set, contacted me. I

870
01:02:28,835 --> 01:02:31,515
Speaker 1: bought it from him and donated it to the Rock

871
01:02:31,555 --> 01:02:33,555
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame, which is where I believe

872
01:02:33,595 --> 01:02:36,795
Speaker 1: it sits to this day. I got one seat out

873
01:02:36,835 --> 01:02:41,195
Speaker 1: of it. One of the great stage hands who Letterman

874
01:02:41,235 --> 01:02:43,115
Speaker 1: made into a star, because that's the kind of guy

875
01:02:43,195 --> 01:02:47,235
Speaker 1: he was, procured me a seat and said, I don't

876
01:02:47,235 --> 01:02:48,795
Speaker 1: know how much longer they're going to let me have this.

877
01:02:49,035 --> 01:02:51,755
Speaker 1: They took two or three away from me. Earlier today

878
01:02:52,755 --> 01:02:56,115
Speaker 1: they were destroying the set because Colbert did not want

879
01:02:56,155 --> 01:03:01,595
Speaker 1: any possible remembrance of David Letterman. That's who Colbert is.

880
01:03:01,955 --> 01:03:05,795
Speaker 1: I have no personal problem with him getting canceled and

881
01:03:05,955 --> 01:03:09,915
Speaker 1: humiliated and in my mind forced to work the next

882
01:03:09,955 --> 01:03:12,795
Speaker 1: ten months as a lame duck. But the point is

883
01:03:13,035 --> 01:03:17,955
Speaker 1: he now has the opportunity to vivisect Donald Trump on

884
01:03:18,075 --> 01:03:22,235
Speaker 1: CBS every night for the next forty three weeks. And

885
01:03:22,275 --> 01:03:26,435
Speaker 1: that's the fundamental fact here. Why if you are canceling

886
01:03:26,515 --> 01:03:31,875
Speaker 1: somebody because he is criticizing Trump, why in God's name

887
01:03:32,275 --> 01:03:35,795
Speaker 1: would you leave him on the air to continue to

888
01:03:35,915 --> 01:03:39,315
Speaker 1: criticize Trump for the next forty three weeks. It doesn't

889
01:03:39,355 --> 01:03:42,675
Speaker 1: make any sense. The bottom line to this is they

890
01:03:42,715 --> 01:03:47,035
Speaker 1: did not cancel Colbert to please Trump. They are making

891
01:03:47,115 --> 01:03:51,915
Speaker 1: Trump and his people falsely believe that they canceled Colbert

892
01:03:52,115 --> 01:03:55,795
Speaker 1: to please Trump. When they were going to cancel Colbert. Anyway,

893
01:03:56,275 --> 01:03:59,275
Speaker 1: Trump is not the cause of this, not this one time,

894
01:03:59,475 --> 01:04:02,835
Speaker 1: the other fifty million terrible things he's doing. Yes, let's

895
01:04:02,875 --> 01:04:08,995
Speaker 1: blame him, let's vivisect him for those things. This is

896
01:04:09,035 --> 01:04:11,635
Speaker 1: not something he did. This is not something he should

897
01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:15,635
Speaker 1: be allowed to take credit for in that perverse, brain

898
01:04:15,795 --> 01:04:20,035
Speaker 1: dead world of his. Do not give him credit for

899
01:04:20,115 --> 01:04:26,675
Speaker 1: canceling Stephen Colbert. Hell, this isn't even Stephen Colbert's fault.

900
01:04:27,475 --> 01:04:35,675
Speaker 1: The audience disappeared, and so Stephen Colbert will too after

901
01:04:35,795 --> 01:04:38,275
Speaker 1: forty three weeks as a lame ducker got to say

902
01:04:38,315 --> 01:04:43,435
Speaker 1: anything the hell he wants about Trump? How is that obeying?

903
01:04:43,475 --> 01:04:50,035
Speaker 1: In advance Thurber and the Greatest Man in the World

904
01:04:50,355 --> 01:04:59,515
Speaker 1: next to the Master the work of James Thurber. There

905
01:04:59,555 --> 01:05:02,995
Speaker 1: is a short film of this story. I don't think

906
01:05:03,035 --> 01:05:05,555
Speaker 1: it really does it justice. I don't think anything does

907
01:05:05,555 --> 01:05:09,835
Speaker 1: it justice. Occasionally, real life does do it justice. I've

908
01:05:09,875 --> 01:05:13,235
Speaker 1: thought I've seen this story playing out in real time

909
01:05:13,475 --> 01:05:17,835
Speaker 1: in this country almost every day for about seven years.

910
01:05:19,115 --> 01:05:23,155
Speaker 1: Sit back and relax, if relax is the right word

911
01:05:23,195 --> 01:05:28,875
Speaker 1: for it. For the Greatest Man in the World by

912
01:05:28,955 --> 01:05:33,875
Speaker 1: James Thurber, looking back on it. Now, from the vantage

913
01:05:33,915 --> 01:05:36,715
Speaker 1: point of nineteen forty one can only marvel that it

914
01:05:36,755 --> 01:05:39,875
Speaker 1: had not happened. Long before it did. The United States

915
01:05:39,875 --> 01:05:44,755
Speaker 1: of America had been ever since Kitty Hawk blindly constructing

916
01:05:44,795 --> 01:05:49,075
Speaker 1: the elaborate petard by which, sooner or later it must

917
01:05:49,275 --> 01:05:53,395
Speaker 1: be hoist. It was inevitable that someday there would come,

918
01:05:53,515 --> 01:05:58,155
Speaker 1: roaring out of the skies a national hero of insufficient intelligence, background,

919
01:05:58,155 --> 01:06:01,915
Speaker 1: and character, successfully to endure the mounting orgies of glory

920
01:06:01,955 --> 01:06:04,955
Speaker 1: prepared for aviators who stayed up for a law long

921
01:06:05,075 --> 01:06:10,355
Speaker 1: time or flew a great distance. Both Lindbergh and Bird,

922
01:06:10,635 --> 01:06:14,875
Speaker 1: fortunately for national decorum and international amity, had been gentlemen.

923
01:06:15,355 --> 01:06:19,995
Speaker 1: So had our other famous aviators. They wore their laurels gracefully,

924
01:06:20,035 --> 01:06:23,715
Speaker 1: withstood the awful weather of publicity, married excellent women, usually

925
01:06:23,795 --> 01:06:27,635
Speaker 1: fine family, and quietly retired to private life and the

926
01:06:27,715 --> 01:06:32,555
Speaker 1: enjoyment of their varying fortunes. No untoward incidents on a

927
01:06:32,595 --> 01:06:36,315
Speaker 1: worldwide scale marred the perfection of their conduct on the

928
01:06:36,355 --> 01:06:41,915
Speaker 1: perilous heights of fame. The exception to the rule was, however,

929
01:06:42,555 --> 01:06:47,835
Speaker 1: bound to occur, and it did in July nineteen thirty seven,

930
01:06:47,915 --> 01:06:53,715
Speaker 1: when Jack pal Smirch erstwhile mechanics helper in a small

931
01:06:53,795 --> 01:06:58,275
Speaker 1: garage in Westfield, Iowa, flew a second hand, single motored

932
01:06:58,515 --> 01:07:04,155
Speaker 1: Breasthaven Dragonfly three monoplane all the way around the world

933
01:07:04,275 --> 01:07:09,595
Speaker 1: without well it's stopping. Never before in the history of

934
01:07:09,635 --> 01:07:12,115
Speaker 1: aviation had such a flight as Smirch has even been

935
01:07:12,235 --> 01:07:15,835
Speaker 1: dreamed of. No one had even taken seriously the weird

936
01:07:15,995 --> 01:07:19,795
Speaker 1: floating auxiliary gas tanks invention of the mad New Hampshire

937
01:07:19,835 --> 01:07:24,235
Speaker 1: professor of astronomy, doctor Charles Lewis, Gresham, upon which Smirch

938
01:07:24,355 --> 01:07:28,715
Speaker 1: placed full reliance. When the garage worker, a slightly built,

939
01:07:29,115 --> 01:07:33,875
Speaker 1: surly unprepossessing young man of twenty two, appeared at Roosevelt

940
01:07:33,875 --> 01:07:37,995
Speaker 1: Field early in July nineteen thirty seven, slowly chewing a

941
01:07:38,035 --> 01:07:42,755
Speaker 1: great quid of scrap tobacco, and announced nobody ain't seen

942
01:07:42,755 --> 01:07:47,595
Speaker 1: no flying yet. The newspapers touched briefly and satirically upon

943
01:07:47,715 --> 01:07:53,595
Speaker 1: his projected twenty five thousand mile flight. Aeronautical and automotive

944
01:07:53,635 --> 01:07:56,875
Speaker 1: experts dismissed the idea, curtly implying that it was a hoax,

945
01:07:57,275 --> 01:08:02,675
Speaker 1: the publicity stunt. The rusty, battered second hand plane wouldn't

946
01:08:03,075 --> 01:08:10,275
Speaker 1: go the auxiliary tanks wouldn't work. It was simply a

947
01:08:10,555 --> 01:08:16,115
Speaker 1: cheap joke smirch. However, after calling on a girl in

948
01:08:16,195 --> 01:08:19,075
Speaker 1: Brooklyn who worked in the flap folding department of a

949
01:08:19,155 --> 01:08:22,795
Speaker 1: large paper box factory, a girl whom he later described

950
01:08:22,795 --> 01:08:28,355
Speaker 1: as his sweet Pittuti, climbed nonchalantly into his ridiculous plane

951
01:08:28,595 --> 01:08:32,035
Speaker 1: at dawn the memorable seventh of July nineteen thirty seven,

952
01:08:32,595 --> 01:08:35,715
Speaker 1: spit a curve of tobacco juice into the still air,

953
01:08:35,915 --> 01:08:39,195
Speaker 1: and took off, carrying with him only a gallon of

954
01:08:39,235 --> 01:08:45,795
Speaker 1: bootleg gin and six pounds of salami. When the garage

955
01:08:45,835 --> 01:08:48,475
Speaker 1: boy thundered out over the ocean, the papers were forced

956
01:08:48,515 --> 01:08:52,115
Speaker 1: to record in all seriousness that a mad, unknown young

957
01:08:52,195 --> 01:08:56,635
Speaker 1: man his name was variously misspelled, had actually set out

958
01:08:56,715 --> 01:08:59,635
Speaker 1: upon a preposterous attempt to span the world in a

959
01:08:59,715 --> 01:09:04,075
Speaker 1: rickety one engine contraption, trusting to the long distance refueling

960
01:09:04,075 --> 01:09:08,955
Speaker 1: device of a crazy schoolmaster. When nine days later, without

961
01:09:08,995 --> 01:09:12,795
Speaker 1: having stopped once, the tiny plane appeared above San Francisco

962
01:09:12,915 --> 01:09:16,235
Speaker 1: Bay headed for New York, spluttering and choking, to be sure,

963
01:09:16,355 --> 01:09:20,755
Speaker 1: but still magnificently and miraculously aloft the headlines which long

964
01:09:20,915 --> 01:09:23,995
Speaker 1: since had crowded everything else off the front page. Even

965
01:09:24,075 --> 01:09:26,715
Speaker 1: the shooting of the governor of Illinois by the Valetti

966
01:09:26,835 --> 01:09:31,675
Speaker 1: Gang swelled to unprecedented size, and the news stories began

967
01:09:31,715 --> 01:09:38,915
Speaker 1: to run to twenty five and thirty columns. It was noticeable, however,

968
01:09:39,315 --> 01:09:43,555
Speaker 1: that the accounts of the epoch making flight touched rather

969
01:09:43,755 --> 01:09:48,715
Speaker 1: lightly upon the aviator himself. This was not because the

970
01:09:48,795 --> 01:09:51,275
Speaker 1: facts about the hero as a man were too meager,

971
01:09:51,475 --> 01:09:57,275
Speaker 1: but because they were too complete. Reporters who had been

972
01:09:57,315 --> 01:10:00,315
Speaker 1: rushed out to Iowa when Smirch's plane was first sighted

973
01:10:00,315 --> 01:10:03,675
Speaker 1: over the little French coast town of Serlee Lemaire to

974
01:10:03,795 --> 01:10:06,475
Speaker 1: dig up the story the great man's life, had promptly

975
01:10:06,515 --> 01:10:10,115
Speaker 1: discovered that the story of his life could not be printed.

976
01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:14,075
Speaker 1: His mother, a sullen short order cook and a shack

977
01:10:14,115 --> 01:10:17,395
Speaker 1: restaurant on the edge of a tourist's camping ground near Westfield,

978
01:10:17,595 --> 01:10:20,155
Speaker 1: met all inquiries as to her son with an angry

979
01:10:20,595 --> 01:10:24,515
Speaker 1: and the hell with him a hoppy drowns. His father

980
01:10:24,555 --> 01:10:28,395
Speaker 1: appeared to be in jail somewhere for stealing spotlights and

981
01:10:28,555 --> 01:10:32,955
Speaker 1: lap robes from tourists automobiles. His young brother, a weak

982
01:10:33,075 --> 01:10:37,315
Speaker 1: minded lad, had but recently escaped from the Preston, Iowa Reformatory,

983
01:10:37,355 --> 01:10:40,035
Speaker 1: and was already wanted in several Western towns for the

984
01:10:40,035 --> 01:10:44,515
Speaker 1: theft of money order blanks from post offices. These alarming

985
01:10:44,595 --> 01:10:47,555
Speaker 1: discoveries were still piling up at the very time that

986
01:10:47,635 --> 01:10:52,155
Speaker 1: Pal Smirch, the greatest hero of the twentieth century, blear eyed,

987
01:10:52,555 --> 01:10:56,635
Speaker 1: dead for sleep, half starved, was piloting his crazy junk

988
01:10:56,715 --> 01:10:59,315
Speaker 1: heap high above the region in which the lamentable story

989
01:10:59,315 --> 01:11:02,115
Speaker 1: of his private life was being unearthed, headed for New

990
01:11:02,235 --> 01:11:05,035
Speaker 1: York and a greater glory than any man of his

991
01:11:05,155 --> 01:11:12,555
Speaker 1: time had ever known. The necessity for printing some account

992
01:11:12,675 --> 01:11:15,715
Speaker 1: in the papers of the young man's career and personality

993
01:11:15,755 --> 01:11:18,835
Speaker 1: had led to a remarkable predicament. It was, of course,

994
01:11:18,875 --> 01:11:23,315
Speaker 1: impossible to reveal the facts, for a tremendous popular feeling

995
01:11:23,355 --> 01:11:25,795
Speaker 1: in favor of the young hero had sprung up like

996
01:11:25,835 --> 01:11:28,755
Speaker 1: a grass fire when he was halfway across Europe on

997
01:11:28,795 --> 01:11:32,155
Speaker 1: his flight around the globe. He was therefore described as

998
01:11:32,155 --> 01:11:37,995
Speaker 1: a modest, chap taciturn blonde, popular with his friends, popular

999
01:11:38,035 --> 01:11:42,515
Speaker 1: with girls. The only available snapshot of Smirch, taken at

1000
01:11:42,555 --> 01:11:45,635
Speaker 1: the wheel of a phony automobile in a cheap photo studio,

1001
01:11:45,635 --> 01:11:48,315
Speaker 1: at an amusement park was touched up so that the

1002
01:11:48,355 --> 01:11:54,315
Speaker 1: little vulgarian looked quite handsome. His twisted leer was smoothed

1003
01:11:54,315 --> 01:11:57,955
Speaker 1: into a pleasant smile. The truth was in this way

1004
01:11:58,075 --> 01:12:01,875
Speaker 1: kept from the youth's ecstatic compatriots. They did not dream

1005
01:12:01,955 --> 01:12:05,875
Speaker 1: that the Smirch family was despised and feared by its

1006
01:12:05,875 --> 01:12:09,355
Speaker 1: neighbors in the obscure Iowa town, nor that the hero himself,

1007
01:12:09,915 --> 01:12:13,635
Speaker 1: because of numerous unsavory exploits, had come to be regarded

1008
01:12:13,635 --> 01:12:19,315
Speaker 1: in Westfield as a nuisance and a menace. Pal's Smirch had,

1009
01:12:19,355 --> 01:12:23,155
Speaker 1: the reporters discovered, once knife the principle of his high school,

1010
01:12:23,795 --> 01:12:26,675
Speaker 1: not mortally, to be sure, but he had knifed him,

1011
01:12:26,795 --> 01:12:30,555
Speaker 1: and on another occasion, surprised in the act of an

1012
01:12:30,635 --> 01:12:33,915
Speaker 1: stealing altar cloth from a church, he had bashed the

1013
01:12:33,995 --> 01:12:36,915
Speaker 1: sexton over the head with a pot of Easter lilies.

1014
01:12:37,915 --> 01:12:41,155
Speaker 1: For each of these offenses he had served a sentence

1015
01:12:41,195 --> 01:12:46,235
Speaker 1: in the reformatory. Inwardly, the authorities, both in New York

1016
01:12:46,275 --> 01:12:50,475
Speaker 1: and in Washington, prayed that an understanding providence might, however

1017
01:12:50,675 --> 01:12:55,275
Speaker 1: awful such a thing seemed, bring disaster to the rusty,

1018
01:12:55,355 --> 01:12:58,755
Speaker 1: battered plane and its illustrious pilot whose unheard of flight

1019
01:12:58,955 --> 01:13:02,995
Speaker 1: had aroused the civilized world to hosannas of hysterical praise.

1020
01:13:04,115 --> 01:13:07,155
Speaker 1: The authority were convinced that the character of the renowned

1021
01:13:07,235 --> 01:13:10,755
Speaker 1: aviator was such that the limelight of adulation was bound

1022
01:13:10,795 --> 01:13:15,515
Speaker 1: to reveal him to all the world as a congenital hooligan,

1023
01:13:15,955 --> 01:13:20,515
Speaker 1: mentally and morally unequipped to cope with his own prodigious fame.

1024
01:13:21,995 --> 01:13:24,555
Speaker 1: I trust, said the Secretary of State, at one of

1025
01:13:24,555 --> 01:13:28,515
Speaker 1: the many secret cabinet meetings called to consider the national dilemma.

1026
01:13:29,075 --> 01:13:34,675
Speaker 1: I trust that his mother's prayer will be answered, by

1027
01:13:34,715 --> 01:13:37,635
Speaker 1: which he referred to missus Emma's. Smirch's wish that her

1028
01:13:37,675 --> 01:13:42,195
Speaker 1: son might be drowned was, however, too late, for that

1029
01:13:42,635 --> 01:13:45,195
Speaker 1: Smirch had leaped the Atlantic and then the Pacific as

1030
01:13:45,195 --> 01:13:48,195
Speaker 1: if they were mill ponds. At three minutes after two

1031
01:13:48,195 --> 01:13:51,315
Speaker 1: o'clock on the afternoon of July seventeenth, nineteen thirty seven,

1032
01:13:51,515 --> 01:13:55,315
Speaker 1: the garage boy brought his idiotic plane into Roosevelt Field

1033
01:13:55,355 --> 01:14:00,395
Speaker 1: for a perfect three point landing. It had, of course

1034
01:14:00,835 --> 01:14:03,435
Speaker 1: been out of the question to arrange a modest little

1035
01:14:03,475 --> 01:14:06,475
Speaker 1: reception for the greatest flier in the history of the world.

1036
01:14:06,715 --> 01:14:09,635
Speaker 1: He was received at Roosevelt Field with such elaborate and

1037
01:14:09,675 --> 01:14:15,395
Speaker 1: pretentious ceremonies as rocked the world. Fortunately, however, the worn

1038
01:14:15,515 --> 01:14:19,595
Speaker 1: and spent hero promptly swooned, had to be removed bodily

1039
01:14:19,635 --> 01:14:22,115
Speaker 1: from his plane, and was spirited from the field without

1040
01:14:22,115 --> 01:14:25,875
Speaker 1: having opened his mouth once. Thus he did not jeopardize

1041
01:14:25,915 --> 01:14:30,315
Speaker 1: the dignity of his first reception, a reception illumined by

1042
01:14:30,355 --> 01:14:32,995
Speaker 1: the presence of the Secretaries of War and the Navy,

1043
01:14:33,235 --> 01:14:36,595
Speaker 1: Mayor Michael J. Moriarty of New York, the Premier of Canada,

1044
01:14:36,795 --> 01:14:40,315
Speaker 1: Governors Fanamine Groves, mcpheeley and Critchfield, and a brilliant array

1045
01:14:40,315 --> 01:14:45,155
Speaker 1: of European diplomats. Smirch did not, in fact come too

1046
01:14:45,235 --> 01:14:48,035
Speaker 1: in time to take part in the gigantic hullabaloo arranged

1047
01:14:48,035 --> 01:14:50,675
Speaker 1: at City Hall for the next day. He was rushed

1048
01:14:50,675 --> 01:14:55,115
Speaker 1: to a secluded nursing home and confined in bed. It

1049
01:14:55,155 --> 01:14:57,675
Speaker 1: was nine days before he was able to get up, or,

1050
01:14:57,755 --> 01:15:03,755
Speaker 1: to be more exact, before he was permitted to get up. Meanwhile,

1051
01:15:03,795 --> 01:15:06,475
Speaker 1: the greatest minds in the country in solemn assembly, had

1052
01:15:06,555 --> 01:15:10,755
Speaker 1: arranged a secret conference of city, state and government officials

1053
01:15:10,795 --> 01:15:14,115
Speaker 1: which Smirch was to attend for the purpose of being

1054
01:15:14,155 --> 01:15:20,955
Speaker 1: instructed in the ethics and behavior of heroism. On the

1055
01:15:21,035 --> 01:15:23,315
Speaker 1: day that the little mechanic was finally allowed to get

1056
01:15:23,395 --> 01:15:25,435
Speaker 1: up in dress and for the first time in two weeks,

1057
01:15:25,435 --> 01:15:28,035
Speaker 1: took a great chew of tomacco, he was permitted to

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01:15:28,075 --> 01:15:32,115
Speaker 1: receive the newspaper men this by way of testing him out.

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Speaker 1: Smirch did not wait for questions. Use guys, he said,

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01:15:37,955 --> 01:15:41,555
Speaker 1: and the Times Man winced. Use guys can tell a

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01:15:41,675 --> 01:15:44,555
Speaker 1: cock eyed world that I put it over on Lindberg.

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01:15:44,675 --> 01:15:51,155
Speaker 1: See yeah, man, an assaid, I'm two frogs. The two frogs.

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01:15:51,835 --> 01:15:54,355
Speaker 1: It was a reference to a pair of gallant French

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01:15:54,395 --> 01:15:57,995
Speaker 1: flyers who, in attempting to flight only halfway around the world,

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01:15:57,995 --> 01:16:01,595
Speaker 1: had two weeks before unhappily been lost at sea. The

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01:16:01,715 --> 01:16:04,275
Speaker 1: Times Man was bold enough at this point to sketch

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01:16:04,275 --> 01:16:08,115
Speaker 1: out for merch the accepted formula for interviews in cases

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01:16:08,115 --> 01:16:10,555
Speaker 1: of this kind. He explained that there should be no

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01:16:10,915 --> 01:16:15,955
Speaker 1: arrogant statements belittling the achievements of other heroes, particularly heroes

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Speaker 1: of foreign nations. Ah the hell with that, said Smirch.

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01:16:20,635 --> 01:16:23,595
Speaker 1: I did it. See I did it, and I'm talking

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01:16:23,635 --> 01:16:28,555
Speaker 1: about it. And he did talk about it. None of

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01:16:28,595 --> 01:16:32,955
Speaker 1: this extraordinary interview was, of course printed. On the contrary,

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01:16:33,075 --> 01:16:36,235
Speaker 1: the newspapers, already under the discipline direction of a secret

1075
01:16:36,235 --> 01:16:40,115
Speaker 1: directorate created for the occasion and composed of statesmen and editors,

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01:16:40,515 --> 01:16:43,315
Speaker 1: gave out to a panting and restless world that Jackie,

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01:16:44,195 --> 01:16:47,755
Speaker 1: as he had been arbitrarily nicknamed, would consent to say

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01:16:47,755 --> 01:16:51,195
Speaker 1: only that he was very happy, and that anyone could

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01:16:51,235 --> 01:16:54,435
Speaker 1: have done what he did. My achievement has been I

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01:16:54,475 --> 01:16:58,955
Speaker 1: fear slightly exaggerated. The Times Man's article had him protest

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01:16:59,035 --> 01:17:03,155
Speaker 1: with a modest smile. These newspaper stories were kept from

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01:17:03,155 --> 01:17:06,395
Speaker 1: the hero, a restriction which did not serve to abate

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01:17:06,515 --> 01:17:11,355
Speaker 1: the rising malevolence of his temper. The situation was indeed

1084
01:17:11,595 --> 01:17:16,995
Speaker 1: extremely grave for Palell. Smirch was, as he kept insisting,

1085
01:17:17,435 --> 01:17:21,235
Speaker 1: raring to go. He could not much longer be kept

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01:17:21,275 --> 01:17:24,115
Speaker 1: from a nation clamorous to lionize him. It was the

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01:17:24,155 --> 01:17:27,475
Speaker 1: most desperate crisis the United States of America had faced

1088
01:17:27,515 --> 01:17:33,355
Speaker 1: since the sinking of Bellusitania. On the afternoon of the

1089
01:17:33,395 --> 01:17:36,715
Speaker 1: twenty seventh of July, Smirch was spirited away to a

1090
01:17:36,755 --> 01:17:40,835
Speaker 1: conference room in which were gathered mayors, governors, government officials, behaviorist,

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01:17:40,955 --> 01:17:45,355
Speaker 1: psychologists and editors. He gave them each a limp moist

1092
01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:52,355
Speaker 1: paw and a brief, unlovely grin Hi, he said. When

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01:17:52,395 --> 01:17:54,795
Speaker 1: Smirch was seated, the Mayor of New York arose and,

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01:17:54,835 --> 01:17:58,155
Speaker 1: with obvious pessimism, attempted to explain what he must say

1095
01:17:58,675 --> 01:18:01,235
Speaker 1: and how he must act when presented to the world,

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01:18:02,035 --> 01:18:04,355
Speaker 1: ending his talk with a high tribute to the hero's

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01:18:04,395 --> 01:18:07,915
Speaker 1: current and integrity. The Mayor was followed by Governor Fannman

1098
01:18:07,995 --> 01:18:11,075
Speaker 1: of New York, who, after a touching declaration of faith,

1099
01:18:11,155 --> 01:18:16,195
Speaker 1: introduced Cameron Spottiswood, second Secretary of the American Embassy in Paris,

1100
01:18:16,275 --> 01:18:20,315
Speaker 1: the gentleman selected to coach Smirch in the amenities of

1101
01:18:20,355 --> 01:18:25,355
Speaker 1: public ceremonies. Sitting in a chair with a soiled yellow

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01:18:25,435 --> 01:18:28,635
Speaker 1: tie in his hand and his shirt open at the throat, unshaved,

1103
01:18:29,115 --> 01:18:33,395
Speaker 1: smoking a rolled cigarette, Jack Smirch listened with a leer

1104
01:18:33,555 --> 01:18:37,515
Speaker 1: on his lips. I get you, I get you, he

1105
01:18:37,595 --> 01:18:41,035
Speaker 1: cut in nastily. You want me to act like a softie?

1106
01:18:41,075 --> 01:18:45,355
Speaker 2: Huh? You want me to act like that memnymmany baby

1107
01:18:45,475 --> 01:18:50,195
Speaker 2: face lind big huh. Well nuts to that. See, everyone

1108
01:18:50,235 --> 01:18:53,355
Speaker 2: took in his breath sharply. It was a sigh and

1109
01:18:53,435 --> 01:18:59,475
Speaker 2: a hiss. Mister Lindbergh began a United States Senator purple

1110
01:18:59,515 --> 01:19:03,875
Speaker 2: with rage, and mister bird Smirch, who was paring his

1111
01:19:04,035 --> 01:19:08,195
Speaker 2: nails with a jackknife, cut in again. Boyd, He exclaimed, Oh,

1112
01:19:08,235 --> 01:19:11,995
Speaker 2: for God's sake, that big somebody shut off the blasphemies

1113
01:19:12,115 --> 01:19:13,075
Speaker 2: with a sharp word.

1114
01:19:13,355 --> 01:19:16,795
Speaker 1: A newcomer had entered the word the room. Everyone stood

1115
01:19:16,875 --> 01:19:19,195
Speaker 1: up except Smirch, who was still busy with his nails,

1116
01:19:19,715 --> 01:19:22,755
Speaker 1: and he did not even glance up. Mister Smirch, said

1117
01:19:22,755 --> 01:19:26,835
Speaker 1: someone sternly, the President of the United States. It had

1118
01:19:26,835 --> 01:19:29,275
Speaker 1: been thought that the presence of the chief Executive might

1119
01:19:29,315 --> 01:19:32,155
Speaker 1: have a chastening effect on the young hero, and the

1120
01:19:32,195 --> 01:19:35,355
Speaker 1: former had been, thanks to the remarkable cooperation of the press,

1121
01:19:35,715 --> 01:19:41,755
Speaker 1: secretly brought to the obscure conference room. A great painful

1122
01:19:42,355 --> 01:19:50,075
Speaker 1: silence fell. Smirch looked up, waved a hand at the president.

1123
01:19:51,355 --> 01:19:57,515
Speaker 1: How you coming, he asked, and began rolling a fresh cigarette.

1124
01:19:59,235 --> 01:20:04,915
Speaker 1: The silence deepened. Someone coughed in a strained way.

1125
01:20:06,475 --> 01:20:07,915
Speaker 2: Jesus hot, ain't it.

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01:20:07,955 --> 01:20:13,395
Speaker 1: Said Smirch. He loosened two more shirt buttons, revealing a

1127
01:20:13,435 --> 01:20:17,795
Speaker 1: hairy chest, and the tattooed word Sadie, enclosed in a

1128
01:20:17,875 --> 01:20:22,435
Speaker 1: stenciled heart. The great and important men in the room,

1129
01:20:22,515 --> 01:20:26,995
Speaker 1: faced by the most serious crisis in American history, exchanged

1130
01:20:27,035 --> 01:20:32,075
Speaker 1: worried frowns. Nobody seemed to know how to proceed. Come on,

1131
01:20:32,395 --> 01:20:35,435
Speaker 1: come on, said Smirch. Let's get the hell out of here.

1132
01:20:36,035 --> 01:20:37,995
Speaker 1: Why do I start cutting in on the podies?

1133
01:20:38,075 --> 01:20:38,275
Speaker 2: Huh?

1134
01:20:38,875 --> 01:20:43,595
Speaker 1: And when is there gonna be this in it? He

1135
01:20:43,675 --> 01:20:48,595
Speaker 1: rubbed a thumb and forefinger together meaningly, Money, exclaimed a

1136
01:20:48,635 --> 01:20:54,155
Speaker 1: state senator, shocked. Pale, Yeah, money, said pal, flipping his

1137
01:20:54,195 --> 01:20:57,875
Speaker 1: cigarette out of the window. And big money. He began

1138
01:20:57,995 --> 01:21:03,355
Speaker 1: rolling a fresh cigarette. Big money, he repeated, Frowning over

1139
01:21:03,435 --> 01:21:06,555
Speaker 1: the rice paper. He tilted back in his chair and

1140
01:21:06,715 --> 01:21:10,795
Speaker 1: leered at each gentleman separately, the leer of an animal

1141
01:21:10,875 --> 01:21:14,515
Speaker 1: that knows its power, the leer of a leopard loose

1142
01:21:14,555 --> 01:21:18,635
Speaker 1: in a bird and dog shop. Ah, for God's sake,

1143
01:21:18,995 --> 01:21:22,355
Speaker 1: let's get someplace where it's cool, he said. I've been

1144
01:21:22,435 --> 01:21:26,675
Speaker 1: cooped up plenty for three weeks. Smirch stood up and

1145
01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:29,835
Speaker 1: walked over to an open window, where he stood staring

1146
01:21:29,875 --> 01:21:34,795
Speaker 1: down into the street nine floors below. The faint shouting

1147
01:21:34,835 --> 01:21:38,235
Speaker 1: of newsboys floated up to him. He made out his name,

1148
01:21:38,595 --> 01:21:43,795
Speaker 1: Hot Dog, he cried, grinning ecstatic. He leaned out over

1149
01:21:43,875 --> 01:21:48,875
Speaker 1: the sill. You tell him, babies, he shouted down, Hot

1150
01:21:48,955 --> 01:21:53,075
Speaker 1: Diggity Dog, and the tense little knot of men standing

1151
01:21:53,115 --> 01:21:57,555
Speaker 1: behind him a quick, mad impulse flared up. An unspoken

1152
01:21:57,635 --> 01:22:01,395
Speaker 1: word of appeal of command seemed to ring through the room,

1153
01:22:01,715 --> 01:22:05,875
Speaker 1: yet it was deadly silent. Charles K. L. Brand, secretary

1154
01:22:05,915 --> 01:22:07,675
Speaker 1: to the Mayor of New York City, happened to be

1155
01:22:07,675 --> 01:22:11,435
Speaker 1: standing nearest Smirch. He looked inquiringly at the President of

1156
01:22:11,435 --> 01:22:17,235
Speaker 1: the United States. The President, pale grim nodded shortly. Brand,

1157
01:22:17,475 --> 01:22:21,115
Speaker 1: a tall, powerfully built man wants to tackle at Rutgers University,

1158
01:22:21,435 --> 01:22:24,755
Speaker 1: stepped forward, seized the greatest man in the world by

1159
01:22:24,755 --> 01:22:26,795
Speaker 1: his left shoulder and the seat of his pants, and

1160
01:22:26,915 --> 01:22:30,515
Speaker 1: pushed him out the window. My god, he's falling out

1161
01:22:30,555 --> 01:22:33,395
Speaker 1: the window, cried a quick witted editor. Get me out

1162
01:22:33,395 --> 01:22:35,995
Speaker 1: of here, cried the President. Several men sprang to his side,

1163
01:22:35,995 --> 01:22:37,995
Speaker 1: and he was hurriedly escorted out of a door toward

1164
01:22:37,995 --> 01:22:40,035
Speaker 1: a side entrance of the building. The editor of the

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01:22:40,075 --> 01:22:43,275
Speaker 1: Associated Press took charge. Being used to such things crisply,

1166
01:22:43,315 --> 01:22:46,395
Speaker 1: he ordered certain men to leave, others to stay quickly.

1167
01:22:46,435 --> 01:22:48,635
Speaker 1: He outlined a story which all the papers were to

1168
01:22:48,715 --> 01:22:51,115
Speaker 1: agree on, sent two men to the street to handle

1169
01:22:51,155 --> 01:22:53,755
Speaker 1: that end of the tragedy, commanded a Senator to sob

1170
01:22:54,075 --> 01:22:58,435
Speaker 1: and two Congressmen to go to pieces nervously. In a word,

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01:22:58,755 --> 01:23:02,155
Speaker 1: he skillfully set the stage for the gigantic task that

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01:23:02,355 --> 01:23:05,955
Speaker 1: was to follow, the task breaking to a grief stricken

1173
01:23:05,995 --> 01:23:11,315
Speaker 1: world the sad story of the untimely accidental death of

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01:23:11,355 --> 01:23:17,675
Speaker 1: its most illustrious and spectacular figure. The funeral was, as

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01:23:17,715 --> 01:23:23,435
Speaker 1: you know, the most elaborate, the finest, the solemnest, and

1176
01:23:23,515 --> 01:23:25,995
Speaker 1: the saddest ever held in the United States of America.

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01:23:26,875 --> 01:23:30,995
Speaker 1: The monument in Arlington Cemetery, with its clean white shaft

1178
01:23:31,035 --> 01:23:35,115
Speaker 1: of marble and the simple device of a tiny plane

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01:23:35,155 --> 01:23:40,555
Speaker 1: carved on its base, is a place for pilgrims in

1180
01:23:40,675 --> 01:23:45,275
Speaker 1: deep reverence to visit. The nations of the world paid

1181
01:23:45,355 --> 01:23:51,675
Speaker 1: lofty tributes to Little Jackie Smirch, America's greatest hero. At

1182
01:23:51,675 --> 01:23:54,675
Speaker 1: a given hour, there were two minutes of silence throughout

1183
01:23:54,715 --> 01:23:58,635
Speaker 1: the nation. Even the inhabitants of the small, bewildered town

1184
01:23:58,675 --> 01:24:03,595
Speaker 1: of Westfield, Iowa, observed this touching ceremony agents of the

1185
01:24:03,635 --> 01:24:08,155
Speaker 1: Department of Justice sought that one of them was especially

1186
01:24:08,195 --> 01:24:10,915
Speaker 1: assigned to stand grimly in the doorway of a little

1187
01:24:10,955 --> 01:24:15,155
Speaker 1: shack restaurant on the edge of the tourists camping ground

1188
01:24:15,195 --> 01:24:20,875
Speaker 1: just outside the town. There under his stern scrutiny, missus

1189
01:24:20,915 --> 01:24:24,715
Speaker 1: Emma Smirch bowed her head over two Hamburger steaks sizzling

1190
01:24:24,795 --> 01:24:29,315
Speaker 1: on her grill. Bowed her head and turned away so

1191
01:24:29,395 --> 01:24:33,955
Speaker 1: that the secret serviceman could not see the twisted, strangely

1192
01:24:34,115 --> 01:24:53,035
Speaker 1: familiar leer on her lips. I've done all the damage

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Speaker 1: I can do here. Thank you for listening. Most of

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Speaker 1: Ray and John Phillips Chanel, our musical directors of Countdown.

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Speaker 1: bass and drums. Mister Chanel handled orchestration and keyboards. Our

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Speaker 1: satirical and fifthy musical comments are by the best baseball

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Speaker 1: stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust. The Olderman theme for Me

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Speaker 1: by the group No Horns Allowed, and my announcer today

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Speaker 1: was my late friend and hero, George Carlin. Everything else

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Speaker 1: was as always.

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Speaker 2: I fault.

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Speaker 1: Let's countdown for today, Day one hundred and eighty three

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Speaker 1: of America held hostage again just and eighty eight days

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Speaker 1: until the scheduled end of Trump's lame duck and lame

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Speaker 1: brained term. Unless he is removed sooner by MAGA and

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01:25:54,675 --> 01:25:58,955
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and the trump Stein Story, or by the

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Speaker 1: original six from Baseball. The next scheduled countdown is my day.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I'm Keith Oldreman. I did want to close

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Speaker 1: with a quick memorial. I told his full story on

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01:26:12,195 --> 01:26:15,635
Speaker 1: his birthday last month, but today is one year to

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01:26:15,675 --> 01:26:20,195
Speaker 1: the day since my great leaping rescue Pop Mine, the

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01:26:20,235 --> 01:26:22,595
Speaker 1: guy who came to me just before his fifteenth birthday

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01:26:22,635 --> 01:26:26,955
Speaker 1: without a home, almost comatose. They thought he had all

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01:26:27,035 --> 01:26:29,955
Speaker 1: kinds of dementia, and turns out he just had bad teeth,

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01:26:30,395 --> 01:26:33,075
Speaker 1: and after we removed them, within months, he was apparently

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01:26:33,115 --> 01:26:36,715
Speaker 1: remembering that he could literally jump for joy over the

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01:26:36,755 --> 01:26:40,875
Speaker 1: lines on the sidewalks and the streets. I miss him

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Speaker 1: every day. He has been gone one year. In his

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01:26:44,675 --> 01:26:51,755
Speaker 1: memory today, just once, jump for joy, even if you

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01:26:51,835 --> 01:26:56,635
Speaker 1: have to rationalize some of the joy. Countdown with Keith

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