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Speaker 1: have that for you coming up as well. It's an

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Speaker 1: NFL franchise tag day the running backs to hit the

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Speaker 1: free agent market. It's basically a who's who right now?

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Speaker 1: SA Kwon Barkley, you want him, come on down, Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Austin Eckler. Just feels like these guys there's

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Speaker 1: that there's usually a spot where you're waiting to pick

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Speaker 2: It's like the cell phone lot. It just feels like

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Speaker 2: the running backs are all there. They're just waiting for somebody,

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Speaker 2: somebody to pick them up. And you know you're looking

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Speaker 2: at who's the leading candidate there, Saquon Barkley, you know

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Speaker 2: who wants him? What's it going to cost you drafts

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Speaker 2: some month month away? What are you going to get?

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Speaker 2: What do you want? Isaiah Pachecko like, that's almost the

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Speaker 2: poster child for what the NFL that position is right now.

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Speaker 2: It's like, hmm, well you can find mister irrelevant in

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Speaker 2: the seventh round. You can also find a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: winning running back there as well. Where they found Isaiah Pachecko.

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Speaker 2: PAULI had an idea of how we can fix the

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Speaker 2: running back position. That their contracts, they are only three

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Speaker 2: years when they go into the NFL. So therefore they

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Speaker 2: get an opportunity to go back into the marketplace, but

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Speaker 2: the owners aren't going to go for it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I love that running backs would get paid. We would,

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Speaker 2: you know, continue to glamorize that position. It would be important.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder the trickle down here because if you're

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Speaker 2: a running back in high school, are you then looking

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Speaker 2: at the best way to get into the NFL is

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Speaker 2: not at that position? Or I can get in, you know,

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Speaker 2: to the NFL at that position, I'm just not going

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Speaker 2: to make the same kind of money. Do I want

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, maybe a star at a different position.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll have a trickle down. Feels

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Speaker 2: like we will because it used to be the running back.

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Speaker 2: That's what you wanted to be. You were the star.

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Speaker 2: Certainly in high school you were the star. You get

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Speaker 3: Yes, Martin, to get paid big time, I think you

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Speaker 3: have to be like Christian McCaffrey, where if you're in

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Speaker 3: high school, you better learn how to catch the ball

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Speaker 3: out of the backfield. Now you have to be a

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Speaker 3: to get paid like that.

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Speaker 2: Well that's why when the Lions took Jamior Gibbs out

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Speaker 2: But it feels like in four years they'll move on

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Speaker 2: from him and get another running back at some point.

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Speaker 2: for hour two is going to be on Seaton O'Connor put.

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Speaker 4: Up there which has been more devalued over the years.

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Speaker 4: Running Backs, low post centers. I put a base dealers too,

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Speaker 4: m right now? Running Backs running away with it ill

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Speaker 4: at forty six percent of the vote, followed by low

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are human beings that are going to

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Speaker 2: be seven feet three hundred pounds and they play basketball. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what position or where are they going to be on

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Speaker 4: They are going to be dominant college athletes. And then

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Speaker 4: like Zach Edie at produce your friendly massive insurance.

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Speaker 2: But what would you like not all of them can

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Speaker 2: play on the perimeter. No, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what's going to happen with that. I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: that big man, or the potential to be a big man,

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Speaker 2: is going to change with how he's taught basketball, certainly

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Speaker 2: in Europe. You know, Victor Wanbayama at seven five, growing

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Speaker 2: inside guy. But in Europe, you're taught ball handling, shooting.

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Speaker 2: You're taught to be a basketball player, not a big man.

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Speaker 2: You're taught to be a basketball player. And maybe that

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Speaker 2: is changing every day here in the United States. Like Shack,

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Speaker 2: I still come back to that, what would you do

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Speaker 2: if Shaq was coming out of LSU and he only

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Speaker 2: had the skills that he had when he played with

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Speaker 2: the Lakers and et cetera. He's your low post guy. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: he would add, what would Shack average in today's NBA

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Speaker 2: if you can't really collapse on him and it's just

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Speaker 2: basically got one guy guarding him, you know, thirty five,

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Speaker 2: forty forty probably how many do you want to get? Now?

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Speaker 2: They might say we'll let you get yours, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to get ours shooting threes. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the great equalizer though in that is the

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Speaker 4: free throw.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. Yeah, you're still have Hacker Shack. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just go right back to that. Put that fellow

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Speaker 4: on the line, Yeah and we're good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, poem.

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Speaker 6: But let's say the exact Shaquille O'Neal size, weight coordination

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Speaker 6: showed up at eighteen years old right now in a

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Speaker 6: college campus, he would not be the focal point. The

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Speaker 6: analytics of the team and the coaching staff they would say,

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Speaker 6: we're not going to focus on his player because we're

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Speaker 6: trading twos for threes. So there might be people with

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Speaker 6: a physicality of Shack, they will never be used like

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Speaker 6: prime twenty five year old Shack twenty five touches the game.

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Speaker 6: I think the analytics kill the chance of another Shack happening.

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Speaker 2: The coaches won't.

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Speaker 6: The coaching staff won't allow it. Yeah, Breck Patino said,

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Speaker 6: I don't want twos, I want threes. And that was

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Speaker 6: fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's now.

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Speaker 6: Zach Edy has taken two three pointers in his career,

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Speaker 6: but he's the focal point for Purdue, and he keeps

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Speaker 6: them relevant because there's no one even close to him.

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Speaker 6: Donovan Klingen is relevant in college because there's not that

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Speaker 6: many guys who're over six ten who could defend the play.

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Speaker 2: Where are all the big guys shooting threes? No, that

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about physically, big gun.

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Speaker 6: I'll bet you there's more seven footers. I bet you

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Speaker 6: there's more people over six or one byama ways two

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Speaker 6: twenty five. That's not a big man. It's a tall man.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about big men.

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Speaker 2: Where are all the big men like Yao, ming Mark,

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Speaker 2: Eaton Shack, I mean quite a few down through the years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: se Klinging is seven to eighty. Okay, that's a big fella.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't move though, like and considering he grew up

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Speaker 4: in this same modern era that we're all talking of. Man,

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Speaker 4: he grew up when people had handles and all of that.

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Speaker 4: But he still doesn't quite play the same way.

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Speaker 2: No, he just don't. And I wonder about him in

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Speaker 2: the NBA. Now, you can be a rim protector. I

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Speaker 2: mean that's what Rudy Gobert got paid for being a

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Speaker 2: rim protector. Nothing else. Uh huh, Yeah, Palling.

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Speaker 6: You go back to Karl Anthony Towns, his last year

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Speaker 6: His first year in the pros, he was a back

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Speaker 6: to the basket, versatile big man, but a back to

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Speaker 6: Max contract. Basically, I think a guy like he, like

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Speaker 6: Carl Town, saw the future and said, if I'm going

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Speaker 6: to be a guy making forty five million, I had

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Speaker 6: to shoot threes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's like one of the guys though. That

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Speaker 2: Just ask, just asking, But you have to be able

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 2: He has a great shot, that's the key.

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Speaker 6: But at some point he made a conscious But you

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Speaker 2: Be able to PAULI. If you were seven feet tall,

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Speaker 2: the way you shoot, it wouldn't matter right now. Seaton,

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Speaker 2: Todd was seven feet tall, you know in wagh two fifty,

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Speaker 2: he's not going to be able to shoot.

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Speaker 4: That hookho though, No.

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Speaker 2: That's it. So it's in theory. It's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you'd be you'd be a perimeter guy. But not all

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Speaker 2: these guys can shoot. Lebron's not even a good shooter.

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Speaker 2: He's a streaky shooter. You know, guys who are big

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Speaker 2: who have touch, Like we're always amazed when I want

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Speaker 2: Anthony Towns has nice, you know form, Anthony Davis nice form.

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Speaker 2: But then you'll see, like Giannis is learning, he's still

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Speaker 2: learning how to shoot because his form is is not great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: seen what was Kareem's range? And if he was playing

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Speaker 2: three point line? He would not take the skyhook there,

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Speaker 2: but he would take it to the free line, free

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Speaker 2: throw line, free throw line extended. He could shoot that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like sometime he got out there a

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Speaker 4: little bit. He could shoot head touch, head touch. But

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Speaker 4: like Bill Walton didn't have a good shot. Robert Parrish,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, had a decent I mean, awkward shot.

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Speaker 4: Is he moving out Kevin McHale like, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if those guys are moving up. Bob McAdoo had wonderful

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Speaker 4: be lighting up the night a little bit there, all right.

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Speaker 4: So no news on the next stop for Russell Wilson

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Speaker 4: or Kirk d. Cousins, although Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach,

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Speaker 4: talking to the NFL Network on Kirk Cousins, I.

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Speaker 7: Know Kirk, you know where he's at in this whole process.

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Speaker 7: He's he's earned the right to be a free agent,

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Speaker 7: and he's played really good football. I think he's, you know,

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Speaker 7: eighteen and seven whatever his record is since since I

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Speaker 7: arrived in Minnesota coaching him, and I've had a blast

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Speaker 7: coaching him, has fit in our offense. I know Kirk's

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Speaker 7: gonna go through a full process. He's a processed guy,

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Speaker 7: and you know, hopefully we continue to be a strong

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Speaker 7: part in that process and we figure out a way

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Speaker 7: to keep him Minnesota Viking. But my expectation is we're

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Speaker 7: not going to be the only ones that would like

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Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins would be the quarterback of our team in

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Speaker 7: twenty two.

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Speaker 4: See, that's exactly part of the problem with Cousins. Though

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Speaker 2: He's had a good he's had a good career. He's

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Speaker 2: Revis of quarterbacks. He's just done it right now.

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Speaker 4: He has somehow slightly above averaged his way into a massive,

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Speaker 2: I aspire to that. There's a room of us who

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Speaker 2: cousin Jesus, yes, can you do that? Short notice? Here? Pauline, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're not good at math. Here we go.

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Speaker 9: First salary salary, salary, salary, salary, salary, salary.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great if they played this in the club,

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 3: Did he have clubs anymore?

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Speaker 2: Paul A career salary Kirk D. Cousins fourth round draft pick.

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Speaker 6: His first year, he made three hundred and ninety thousand,

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Speaker 2: Career Toddle'll start with you. One hundred and eighty eight million,

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Speaker 2: all right, Seaton O'Connor junior, the.

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Speaker 4: Third he's plus two hundred all right, Marvin two and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to thirty eight seven.

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Speaker 6: Two hundred and thirty two million dollars so far, right,

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Speaker 2: We'll guess probably at least a hundi Yeah yeah, good.

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Speaker 6: On of many vans, Yeah yeah. Chrysler PACIFICA doesn't pay

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Speaker 2: Oh man, A nice Chrysler minivan.

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Speaker 8: Nice?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Mark.

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Speaker 3: If kirk Cousins somehow leads the Vikings to a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Hall of Hall of Vikings, Ring good, hall of very good.

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Speaker 2: So just hall of very good, hall of financially good.

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Speaker 3: You put Matthew Stafford in the Hall of Fames, though

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Speaker 3: I was thinking of Kurty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But people looked at Matthew Stafford number one

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Speaker 2: overall pick. People looked at Matthew Stafford. Those who played

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Speaker 2: dude was great. He just didn't play for a good team.

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Speaker 2: Nobody ever said man Kirk Cousins great. Yeah, poems be

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Speaker 2: fair to Cousins. If Kirk Cousins somehow got one Super

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Speaker 6: Correct, but like his his stats and his Pro Bowls

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Speaker 2: He needs at least one ring, yes, Mark.

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Speaker 3: But if you do it for the Vikings who have

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Speaker 3: never won a Super Bowl, I think that means something.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, means a little extra Yeah, Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame or else is doing that today?

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Speaker 2: No, they're not not even Kirk Cousins and his family,

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Speaker 2: do you think they that would be funny if they're

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Speaker 2: these shows that do hot takes? Where Dak Prescott's sitting

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Speaker 2: win a super Bowl? Hall of Famer, Skippy, I'll start

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Speaker 2: with you. I don't think so, Dan, how about you? Sally?

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Speaker 2: You're always a Hall of Famer in my world? Daddy,

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Speaker 2: honeywo about you? I don't know, you know, I kind

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Speaker 2: of like to like one super Bowl man in the

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Speaker 2: kind of a Joe Flacco. Okay, all right, thanks son,

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Speaker 2: we'll get back to you on that. With Kirk Tea Cousins,

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Speaker 2: what if he goes to Atlanta leads them to a

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Speaker 2: super Bowl? Would that be more impressive than doing it

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota? Hmm, it's equal.

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Speaker 6: I think that might be equal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you get rid of twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I don't know if you ever get rid

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Speaker 6: Oh, but the Vikings have Oh for four Well that's

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Speaker 6: a super Bowl a lot of painim underrated pain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll be up there for Saint Patti's Day

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not a huge parade. It's not Is it in

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Speaker 2: We don't even get to Saint Paul. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Saint Paul?

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Speaker 6: Is it I heard in St?

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Speaker 2: Also? Is it Saint Paul taking us into Minneapolis?

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Speaker 8: I saw you had Ryan Leaf on yesterday. What is this, felons?

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Speaker 8: What do you got Lawrence Taylor tomorrow? How How is

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Speaker 8: Oh? Man, it's it's a constant reminder of what a

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Speaker 2: Well, you were very sweaty in that mug shot there,

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Speaker 2: has a counter attack to all the threes where you

436
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: just say, you got one guy guarding my guy who's unstoppable. Inside,

437
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm guaranteeing I'm getting two every time down and probably

438
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: putting you in foul trouble, putting you, putting more pressure

439
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: on you. You come to the other end. You got

440
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: to make your threes.

441
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 8: Now, I think, No, I don't I think that we're not.

442
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: No, you don't never happen.

443
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 8: Oh that that ship is sailed. We see big on

444
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 8: big screening for one another high low type stuff. I

445
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 8: just what we have now. The post type of player

446
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 8: that we have now is like Joker, he can do

447
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 8: all of that stuff. He's a seven foot Steve Nash

448
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 8: Jokics is. He's he's slower than you are, playing at

449
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 8: an advantage every night because he's so damn smart at

450
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 8: the game and he's he's huge.

451
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: But when Bayama, yeah, he grew up in the culture

452
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: of that allowed him to play on the perimeter.

453
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 8: Well, you make a great point there, Dan, And I

454
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 8: don't say Shaq, but I think of Ralph Sampson and

455
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 8: Sam Bouie. Uh, those guys definitely. Can you imagine Sam

456
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 8: Boui being able to shoot threes? He would, he would

457
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 8: be unstoppable. Guys like that. Ralph Sampson, you grew up

458
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 8: you and I grew up watching Ralph. Ralph had Ralph

459
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 8: had skill, he had nice touch, had nice touch And

460
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 8: if he were his coach, Terry Holland didn't want he

461
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 8: wanted him to put his big butt down on back

462
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 8: up to the basket and post up. That's what Joe B.

463
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 8: Hall wanted for Sam Bouie. We didn't allow our bigs,

464
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 8: our sinners to step out on the floor and show

465
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 8: their skill as much as you know, as we should have.

466
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: Probably he's a Rex Chapman, former Kentucky star and UH

467
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: senior and to pro personnel evaluation and an ambassador for

468
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: the Sons. What the hell does that mean?

469
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 8: It means I'm the vice president of nothing. I took

470
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 8: Cotton fitz simmons old title the vice president.

471
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: Okay, and then your son is with the Sons. He is.

472
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 8: I'm super proud of it.

473
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, See all right, you talk to your family

474
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: when you're writing this book. Before you were writing this book,

475
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: of course, anybody say don't do it. Then.

476
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 8: I've had so many people saying asking me to write

477
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 8: a book since I was like twenty. I think people

478
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 8: probably thought it was inevitable, you know, and when you

479
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 8: set out I've said this a few times. You know,

480
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 8: this book is not an uplifting book. It's a cautionary

481
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 8: tale for sure. And you know, I grew up, just

482
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 8: like you did, obsessed by the game of basketball, you know,

483
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 8: the part of the country. We grew up in Kentucky

484
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 8: and Ohio obsessed with it. I knew that I was

485
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 8: really concerned. I was concerned because you know, when you

486
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 8: set out to play basketball. If you're ten years old

487
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 8: and you think, man, I hope I can be a

488
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 8: famous basketball player someday, someday, maybe write a memoir. It's

489
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 8: not this memoir that you want to write. You want

490
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 8: to write the one that Steve Nash is going to write,

491
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 8: or Grant Hill, guys who just seem to be able

492
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 8: to do it on and off the court. This is

493
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 8: not that book. And I was. I was just fine

494
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 8: playing the game of basketball. It was all the other

495
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 8: things that went along with it, the media, the pressures,

496
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 8: the responsibilities. I just wasn't. I just wasn't wired really

497
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 8: well to handle all of that.

498
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Did you ever play high No?

499
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 8: No, no, never ever, never never, I you know part

500
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 8: of that, Dan, that's a that's a good question, I guess.

501
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 8: But you know, I wasn't. I was so afraid of

502
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 8: drugs and alcohol when I played because my family has

503
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 8: some addiction problems that I stayed away from all of that,

504
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 8: and in fact, so much so that even when I

505
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 8: knew deep down that I probably needed to be medicated

506
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 8: for depression and anxiety, that's a bridge too far for

507
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 8: me as a professional athlete, because you know, let's say

508
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 8: they put me on something maybe that dulls my instincts,

509
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 8: maybe it dulls my quickness, and I can't afford to

510
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 8: do that. I just need to be depressed and be

511
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 8: a great basketball player. So no, never, never did anything

512
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 8: like that.

513
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: But then you allowed it to dull your senses when

514
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: you weren't playing or after you played.

515
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 8: When I was finished playing basketball, yeah, yeah, I think

516
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 8: I went straight from playing. And you got to remember

517
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 8: Dan growing up. And you know this, whether you're at

518
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 8: the y or the park or whatever, you make game

519
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 8: winners every single day. You know, maybe you may make

520
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 8: four of them in an afternoon. You make them in practice,

521
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 8: you make them in games. There's a rush that goes

522
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 8: along with that, whether people are watching or not. There's

523
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 8: a rush when you are in the gym play and

524
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 8: pick up and you make the other team go and

525
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 8: they got to sit out for an hour. There's a

526
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 8: rush to that. I didn't realize, and I've been doing

527
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 8: that since I was five. You're going to miss that

528
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 8: when it's gone. And right when I retired, I had

529
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 8: my appendix surgery. I wasn't retired yet. Doctor gave me

530
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 8: oxy contin and in two days I was in love.

531
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 8: I think I've told you that before. But I also

532
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 8: think i've I was just straight away self medicating to

533
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 8: not feel kind of the pain of my career, you know,

534
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 8: coming to an end, and because all I was was

535
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 8: a basketball player. It's all I've ever been.

536
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to live with me. It's a

537
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: Rex Chapman we're talking to. And I wondered about the

538
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: picture on the cover, and I read a little bit

539
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: more into this that you're up in the air, but

540
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: you're by yourself. There's a blankness to it, like is

541
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: the basketball controlling you? Are you controlling the basketball? There's

542
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: no net underneath you. Those were all the things I

543
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: read into that picture on the cover.

544
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, they sent me that, and I thought,

545
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 8: that's the cover. What is this doesn't look like a

546
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 8: book cover. And the more that I looked at it,

547
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 8: the more I guess. You know, the title is it's

548
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 8: hard for me to live with me, And obviously I'm

549
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 8: doing something in that picture that's pretty hard. But it

550
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 8: was pretty easy, you know, it seemed easy to me,

551
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 8: and I think that's probably what they were going for.

552
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 8: But I have no idea.

553
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: But it's lonely. It's a lonely thing. Yeah, it is low,

554
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: very very lowly.

555
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is.

556
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: You know, we look at these kids when they're stars.

557
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: You become a star, you were a star in high school.

558
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: You were a big star in high school and in

559
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: the state of Kentucky, and then you go to Kentucky

560
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: you're in even bigger star. But there's no guide book,

561
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: there's no you know, young stardom for Dummies book for

562
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: you to read and trying to navigate that. Did anybody

563
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: help you understand what were kind of the you know,

564
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: kind of potholes you were going to be facing.

565
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 8: No, I didn't really have any body I felt like

566
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 8: I could talk to. I probably did have people I

567
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 8: could talk to, but I didn't. I was you know,

568
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 8: I was young, and you said it right. From the

569
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 8: time I was fifteen or sixteen, I was well, very

570
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 8: well known in the state of Kentucky. And by the

571
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 8: time I was seventeen or eighteen, people in sports knew

572
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 8: me across the country. So and then by the time

573
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 8: I got to Kentucky it was yeah, no, I didn't

574
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 8: and I didn't have a lot of other issues. The

575
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 8: main issue, as you well know, you know, my high

576
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 8: school sweetheart's a girl named Sean Higgs, or brother, Mark

577
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 8: Higgs played in the NFL. Their other brother, Kenny Higgs,

578
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 8: played in the NBA. We all grew up together. Sean

579
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 8: It's black and I was very much discouraged from dating

580
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 8: Sean publicly while I was at UK, and that really,

581
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 8: I think that really messed with me. It was a

582
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 8: very formative thing.

583
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: It was discouraging you to not date at Kentucky School.

584
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 8: The school Eddie Sudden and Eddie Listen. Eddie and I

585
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 8: had our problems. It's well documented Eddie had was a

586
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 8: serious alcoholic, but he was forty nine years old Dan

587
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 8: and I know Eddie was a good man, and I

588
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 8: know he was being he was being told by higher

589
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 8: ups that he needed to rein me in. They couldn't.

590
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 8: It was very obvious from one of the first times

591
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 8: I met with Eddie after getting on the campus that

592
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 8: they had a problem with Sean and I being seen

593
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 8: in public together. And that was reiterated to me at

594
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 8: least a half dozen times while I was at UK,

595
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 8: and it made me very resentful, very angry. And the

596
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 8: reason it did so was because I felt like what

597
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 8: they were telling me was morally wrong. And I was

598
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 8: a child, I was a kid and I just did.

599
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 8: I didn't have the courage to. I didn't have the

600
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 8: courage to push back, and I felt trapped.

601
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, you were the great white hope. You can't be

602
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: seen with an African American girl? Why is that in

603
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: their eyes?

604
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 8: Yeah? Why do you think that?

605
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 9: Is?

606
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: Well? Probably marketing like fan base.

607
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 8: Yeah so, but but what so what they're saying is listen, Rex,

608
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 8: she's not good enough to be seen with you. Correct?

609
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably?

610
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you're she's cheapening you. God, that's mean, Yes,

611
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 8: that's real, that's really mean. Dan.

612
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: Well, what you were there were selling is different than

613
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: what you were selling even though you're not. You're not.

614
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 8: I was just trying to I was just trying to

615
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 8: play ball. And I knew that they were always coups at,

616
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 8: like we're looking out for you, Rex, your image, your safety,

617
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 8: all that. I know. That's because the second I left Kent.

618
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: Sorry much language?

619
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, BS, I knew that was BS because when

620
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 8: I left school, Sean and I continue to date, they

621
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 8: never said anything about never said anything about it. Then

622
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 8: they weren't worried about my safety. Then weren't worried about

623
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 8: my image? Then?

624
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: No, you weren't of used to them because they were

625
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: protecting Kentucky's image. Correct, not necessarily your image.

626
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 8: Right.

627
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Did teammates have a problem that you were dating a

628
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: black girl?

629
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 8: No, not at all. Everybody knew and and all my

630
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 8: black That's the other thing. Most of my black teammates

631
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 8: were dating white girls. They weren't getting in trouble for it.

632
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 8: I don't under what was that about? How was that?

633
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 8: How's that equitable?

634
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: Is there a story you almost didn't put in the

635
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: book or that you didn't put.

636
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 8: There's a lot of stories I didn't put in the book. There,

637
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 8: there's a yeah, yeah, plenty. There's other things that went

638
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 8: on during that time at UK that you know. It's

639
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 8: just they weren't worth. I didn't feel like they were

640
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 8: worth They it couldn't do anything but hurt people, and

641
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 8: I didn't want to do that.

642
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: When's the last time you picked up a basketball?

643
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 8: I picked one up last week. I was by the

644
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 8: son's practice and dropped in and watched them for a

645
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 8: little bit.

646
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: Doesn't that ball feel great? Though?

647
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 8: Yeah? It does. You know, it had a lot of

648
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 8: bad losses in gym's gymnasium's arenas. I don't think I've

649
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 8: ever had a bad day in the gym.

650
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: Ever, can you still dunk?

651
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 8: God, Dan, No, I don't think so. I tried it

652
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 8: when I was fifty. I'm fifty six now I haven't

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Speaker 8: done it in six years. I tried it when I

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Speaker 8: was fifty. I sneaked it in, I landed, hurt my

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Speaker 8: back and I was it really really hurt my back

656
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Speaker 8: and for six months I was messed up. So no more, Okay,

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Speaker 8: never again.

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Speaker 2: I'll ask this for our audience. You know, it's the

659
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Speaker 2: son of an alcoholic, and you know there's substance abuse

660
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Speaker 2: in my family tree. I certainly understand it. Warning signs

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Speaker 2: I tell my children about that. I'm aware of that.

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Speaker 2: But what would you say to the audience of getting

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Speaker 2: help or understanding when it's time to get help.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really hard because when you're in the depths

665
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Speaker 8: of it, the only thing that matters is getting your drugs,

666
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Speaker 8: getting your pills, getting your fix. That's the the only

667
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Speaker 8: thing that matters. You're a slave to the pharmacy. You're

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00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 8: a slave to the drug dealer. And the only thing

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Speaker 8: that I could say is just find somebody, find somebody

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Speaker 8: to talk to, somebody that you trust that isn't going

671
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Speaker 8: to shame you because we all screw up. You're never

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Speaker 8: as You're never as bad as your worst moment if

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Speaker 8: you learn from it. And it took me a long

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Speaker 8: time to get it, three stints in rehab, fourteen years,

675
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Speaker 8: but it finally clicked. And also, if you can afford it,

676
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Speaker 8: go to therapy, go to therapy. It saved my life,

677
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Speaker 8: it really has.

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Speaker 2: Did you have that moment where you're in rehab and

679
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Speaker 2: somebody's looking at you, going, dude, you look like Rex Chapman.

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Speaker 8: It was. I was in Louisville and rehab so everyone.

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00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: God, oh my goodness, so you had. They probably heckled

682
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: you because that's Louisville, you know, given you grief there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all good now, it was it was terrific. Rehab

684
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 8: is terrible. It sucks, but it's it's it's vital, and

685
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 8: I'm so glad that I'm on the other side of

686
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Speaker 8: it at this point.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with the book you're working with Seth Davis,

688
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: one of the great basketball writers in America. Of the

689
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: book is It's Hard for Me to Live with Me

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Speaker 2: and it's Rex Chapman. It's available online wherever books are sold.

691
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Speaker 2: Thanks Bud, talk to you soon. Thanks Dan Always that's

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Speaker 2: Rex Chapman. Sometimes you get a guest being honest and

693
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: not realizing that they're on the radio or TV, and

694
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: you know, if you're with your children, we apologize with

695
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: the language there. But sometimes that's what you want as

696
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Speaker 2: an interviewer, somebody who's going to drop their guard, and

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Speaker 2: he did. All right, let me take a break. We'll

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Speaker 2: get phone calls coming up back after this.

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00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040
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701
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,279
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702
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,040
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00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: Rex Chapman send us a note. He said, it feels

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Speaker 2: really bad that he cursed on the air, and I

705
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: said that we understand it. He said that he's bottled

706
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: some things up for thirty five years and let it

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Speaker 2: slip out, and he apologized for that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you can remind Rex that he's never as low

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00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: as his lowest moment right there, So it's only getting

710
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 4: better from here. Don't beat yourself up too much.

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Speaker 2: And I was with him at the Preakness years ago,

712
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: and I didn't know that, you know, he was abusing

713
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: drugs then, so right in front of me and I

714
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: was there talking to him about picking horses at the Preakness.

715
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: So here he is a gambler and he's addicted to drugs,

716
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Speaker 2: and he's right there in front of me, and he

717
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: just seemed like he It was a it was a

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00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: weird feeling. There was one moment It's just it's so

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00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: vivid in my mind where I I just remember talking

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00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: to him, but I wasn't hearing his words. I was

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00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: looking at him and it looked he looked like off drunk,

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Speaker 2: and I just and so when I I knew and

723
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: when this story came out, I always went back to that.

724
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: It's like, it's right there in front of me, but

725
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you act when you're on this drug.

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Speaker 2: It's not like he was drunk where you could tell

727
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 2: or high, and he might have been high. I just didn't.

728
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Speaker 2: It's not like you go, hey, I'm gonna go and

729
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: have a beer and Rex is gonna teach me of

730
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Speaker 2: handicapping horses, and I didn't. You know, It's all like

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Speaker 2: I'm going, man, I'm going to go and see if

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Speaker 2: he's on drugs. But I just remember that moment so

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Speaker 2: vividly where I'm like I'm not listening, I'm watching him.

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Speaker 2: Then it felt like something was off. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Point, if you remember about eleven years ago, we had

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Speaker 6: Ryan leaf and studio, and this is about six months

737
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Speaker 6: before he was arrested for breaking the homes and steely pills.

738
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Speaker 6: We went downstairs. Everyone was drinking pictures of beer and

739
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Speaker 6: eating wings, and he was drinking ice water with a lemon.

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00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 6: Were like, ah, that's so great, good for Ryan. He

741
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: was taking pills. He told us later, he goes, yeah,

742
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 6: it's so easy. Everyone thinks I'm fine because I'm not

743
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Speaker 6: partaking in the picture of beer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that stood out though, because I remember

748
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: exactly that day as he was sweating bullets. Yes, that

749
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Speaker 4: is a telltale sign he was. We left that table

750
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Speaker 4: and I was like that dude's not in good shape. Yes,

751
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: he was drenched, Yes, for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, sometimes it's right in front of you.

753
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Speaker 2: You don't know it, and most of the time you

754
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: don't because I always found that not to get on

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Speaker 2: my soapbox. But you know, it's important for me to

756
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 2: relay a message. You know, my father used to sneak

757
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: drinks at our house. You know, he put this Kessler's

758
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: whiskey in the top shell for the pantry. Well, we

759
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: knew it was there, but he would go in there,

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Speaker 2: close the door, and he was, you know, do a

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Speaker 2: couple of shots. And I just like, sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 2: the addicts or alcoholics are really good at hiding it,

763
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Speaker 2: and sometimes they're not, but they think they are. And

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Speaker 2: here's Rex right in front of me, and I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it, didn't realize it. All right, a

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Speaker 2: couple of phone calls in here if we can sneak

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Speaker 2: them in. Tiffany in California, Hi, Tipp, thanks for holding

768
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Speaker 2: what's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, Dan, morning guys. Let's see third time,

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Speaker 5: long time five three and a voluptuous one seventy five.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember me, but a couple

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Speaker 5: of years ago Fritzy wrote the limericks for my wedding

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Speaker 5: in Ireland. Yes and yeah Hi. So then when you

775
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Speaker 5: guys were in Ireland, we wanted to go.

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Speaker 2: Are you still married, Tiffany?

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Speaker 5: I am still very happily married.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, good good.

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Speaker 5: So we had recently gone to Ireland again right before

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Speaker 5: you guys went, so we missed that opportunity. So then

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Speaker 5: we found out about this keeper's Heart Saint Patrick's Day celebration,

782
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 5: which my husband is a huge keeper's heart fand because

783
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 5: of the show, we entered him in the contest and

784
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Speaker 5: he didn't win, so we're like super but his birthday

785
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: is the day after Saint Patty's Day. We really want

786
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Speaker 5: to be there and meet Brian Nason and you guys.

787
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Speaker 5: I wanted to see if you guys wanted to sponsor us.

788
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Speaker 2: Sponsor you, No, I don't think so, I'll take it through. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got to sponsor the dan Eds to bring them Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: St Patty's Day Final Hour on this Wednesday, right after

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Speaker 2: this