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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: It is a Thursday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: But we have the final injury report at least right

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Speaker 3: now for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we now know Friday for them, George.

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Speaker 3: Pickens will not play in Saturday's game against the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: I think it's might be a little weather related. Supposed

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Speaker 3: to be kind of nasty down there on Saturday, not

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Speaker 3: great field conditions, and so they're going to hold him out. No,

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Speaker 3: justin fields as well. He's at abdominal injury and obviously

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Speaker 3: as a quarterback you do have to be able to

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Speaker 3: throw the football a little bit sure, and so he

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Speaker 3: will be out. Deshaun Elliott took it. It was a

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Speaker 3: limited partition spent in practice today, but it is doubtful

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Speaker 3: to play, probably for many of the same reasons that

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Speaker 3: Pickens might be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Dante Jackson was a limited participant today with the back issue.

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Speaker 3: He is questionable. Larry Ogan Jobie was a limited participant today.

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Speaker 3: That gives him all three days of practice this week.

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Speaker 3: He is also questionable full participants today Cam Hayward, T. J.

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Speaker 3: Watt with no injury designation, Nice Landam Roberts, and uh

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Speaker 4: So okay, so defense other than Ellie, it looks like

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Speaker 4: it's in good shape. Pickens is the news, of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean I was optimistic that he was

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Speaker 4: going to play, as was I and I mean another

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Speaker 4: short week between now and Christmas two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh he's playing Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Do you think yeah? Okay, do you think he's that close? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's a big deal. I mean, downfield passing is obviously

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Speaker 4: a key component, and he's their best weapon, and we

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Speaker 4: saw it in you know, with Life without him already it's

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Speaker 3: Given what Baltimore has been doing lately and how they've

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Speaker 3: been playing, might this change a how they defend the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: Thinking okay, oh yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to try anything deep and then maybe you

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Speaker 3: take a couple of shots if they're playing single high,

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Speaker 3: when then normally they've been kind of playing some too

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Speaker 1: To take away the deep stuff, they.

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Speaker 3: Put the safety in the box and I've got Mike

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to shy away from taking a shot.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I think they'll take shots no matter what.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a Russell Wilson thing. I think that's

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Speaker 1: Have a ballast Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll take shots no matter what. Off

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Speaker 4: play action, crowded boxes, all that type of thing. I

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Speaker 4: just know where the football goes, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: like where do if he has twenty completions, who gets them?

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Speaker 4: I mean I would think Warren gets a spike. They're

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Speaker 3: Austin had five for sixty five last week against Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: I think Austin's quietly had a good year. Ye like

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Speaker 1: I mean it just he does limit somewhat. You know

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Speaker 4: Much as a blocker, No, No, but he as a receiver,

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Speaker 4: he's dangerous and he's a well rounded receiver.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think around there a lot, I think around

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's he's not. No, he's not.

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Speaker 4: does play a lot of slot, but he's not slot only, right, No,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a guy. You know, if you're a

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Speaker 1: Oh, no questions. You know, if you try to jam

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Speaker 1: Right, so just somebody to keep an eye. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: I mean that's more of a big picture conversation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the mix.

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Speaker 3: It would be interesting if if, in fact, he were

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Speaker 3: If because if you remember the Ravens were gonna draft,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think their interest was obvious. Now he's gonna

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Speaker 3: Don't have to play some of the coverages we're going

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens have some injury issues at the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Bateman was in a walking boot today. They actually added

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Speaker 1: Remember we didn't have their injury well.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have their injury report yesterday because they didn't

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Speaker 1: He thought, Yeah, it doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 3: Bateman got hurt Tuesday, No, yesterday, I should say Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: My days are all messed up to Yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's got a blurb by my phone about him

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Speaker 3: This sounds he's out. Yeah, he's not playing. If you're

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Speaker 4: Two days away, right, So that's a big deal for him.

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Speaker 4: He's had a good year.

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Speaker 1: Let's say like their top three receivers.

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Speaker 4: would think Likely is in line for more targets than

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Speaker 1: Here's their problem, which is really only like four eligible

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Speaker 4: Tight ends wide receiver wide receivers. Okay, if you're down two, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So that one Johnson who's not gonna play and he's

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Speaker 4: No, they made a big play earlier in the year.

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Speaker 3: The only thing with with Porter on on Zay Flowers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not bad. No, it's not bad.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe all the passing props should be going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how they throw in the football. And the other

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Speaker 4: Ricard or Kohler getting a fair amount of snaps too

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Speaker 4: there's a ripple effect. Stanley's probably gonna have to deal

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Speaker 1: You know, No, No, I expect I expect high Smith

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Speaker 4: Now, I say Cam Hayward against your left guard is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, question two.

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Speaker 3: Think it's it's a lot more down at that point. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have the Steelers situation where you don't

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Speaker 3: you don't have the depth the Steelers have either position

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Speaker 4: No, I went the difference maker though.

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 3: They're getting double teamed in those situations, and these other

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing that it really does so to me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, davontees Walker's played seventeen snaps all season.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not idea.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it also makes them a slower oh much team. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Hill's an okay receiver, But it'd be different

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Speaker 1: You know, they don't throw the ball to Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that one shocks me. I thought that'd be higher.

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Speaker 1: You know, right. I mean, we'll put it this way, Mark.

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Speaker 4: They're rotating offense personnel more than I realized.

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has played ninety seven point six percent of

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Speaker 1: Fallele Is the.

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Speaker 3: Only guy has played every offensive snap for the Ravens

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Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifteen and Lamar has played eight ninety three.

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at you know.

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Speaker 4: The market hurt for a little bit, or they just

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Speaker 3: He didn't play like yeah, yeah, So really what you're

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Speaker 4: Lot of times. He's a certain type. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: They should use him more.

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry has played seventy nine more snaps this season.

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Speaker 4: I get that. I mean most teams were number one

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Speaker 1: He's played four more snaps than likely.

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Speaker 3: He's played less than one hundred snaps more than Justice Hill.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it might be though some games early on where

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Speaker 4: He's not young, and he's had a lot of wear

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly and this is a drive on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt now will be back with

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Speaker 3: more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lalli.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the drive

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt, there's kind of

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Speaker 3: a big game tonight in the NFL. And I say

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Speaker 3: it's kind of a big game.

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Speaker 1: It's a big game. It is a big game.

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Speaker 3: And if you start looking at what, you know, I

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that. They're not dead yet, but they.

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Speaker 3: Could be because if the Chargers win tonight.

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Speaker 4: So they're definitely rooting against the Charger.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Chargers would improve to.

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Speaker 3: Nine and six, so they'd have nine wins, that would

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Speaker 3: They're three and six in the conference.

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Speaker 4: And losses in the conferences for them. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 4: when you look at it, they also they play it. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Indy's still alive too, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, technically, but the.

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Speaker 3: Chargers have the head to head win over Sensy over Sincy.

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Speaker 3: So if you're a Steelers fan, you want the Chargers

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Speaker 1: I think there's no I think about it. Here's why.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if if the Bengals are eliminated, Yeah, Burrow ain't

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Speaker 4: Game, I would assume not between him and Herbert, they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if they had something to play for, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I see you're going this agree.

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Speaker 3: Now, here's the problem with all this. After the game

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Speaker 4: They're gonna get to ten at some point.

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00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

443
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 4: I would say tens their floor. If they have nine,

444
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna lose tonight. They're on a two

445
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 4: or three game losing streak. Why originally said that without

446
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 4: thinking about Burrow and cha whoever would sit in Week eighteen.

447
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 4: I think the Chargers are right for the picking right now.

448
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.

449
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,719
Speaker 4: Think they're playing well at all.

450
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 3: If the Broncos win the game tonight against the Chargers,

451
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 3: they're at the Bengals next week, and then they finish up.

452
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 1: With the Chiefs.

453
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 3: I know they got a tough round, but the Chiefs

454
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 3: at that point could be resting. Everybody could be.

455
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I mean the Bills need to

456
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 4: lose for them to do that though, and the Bills

457
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 4: have an easy schedule.

458
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: No, they're still a game ahead.

459
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 4: Well, they lost ahead, two games ahead, are they?

460
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kansas City has two games ahead.

461
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 4: So the Chiefs could rest.

462
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: Bills have three losses. Chiefs win these next two. Bills

463
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: have three losses to the Chiefs.

464
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought that was a game difference. They won

465
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 4: the head to head. No, okay, because I don't think

466
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 4: the Bills are gonna lose again.

467
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either.

468
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 4: He's ones and fourteen and three.

469
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's a super long shot for the Bengals

470
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: to get there. It is it is.

471
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: They've already lost to the Broncos. I'll probably pick the Broncos,

472
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 3: or they've already lost to the Chargers. I'll probably pick

473
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: the Broncos against them next week. Even they're better, they're

474
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: better teams. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

475
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that's interesting. I don't want Burrow in the postseason.

476
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: The other thing is you.

477
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 4: Don't love Herbert being in there either.

478
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: I think you'd rather at this point face the Chargers.

479
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 4: I think so they're in trouble. I think they're they're

480
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 4: not getting back.

481
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

482
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 4: No, they can't run the ball at all. Interior lines

483
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 4: are real problem. They were short on pass catchers to

484
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: begin with, and it's not gotten a lot better.

485
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you already beat them here twenty to ten

486
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: early in the season with Justin Fields a quarterback. He

487
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 3: also won at Denver.

488
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I get but.

489
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 4: Herbert's got a million injuries as well. He hasn't been

490
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 4: quite the same player the last couple weeks. Eh, And

491
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: they need him to carry the whole team, just.

492
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: Like i'd rather. I think the Chargers are the easier.

493
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: I tend to agree. I tend to agree. Yeah, I

494
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: can't imagine the Bengals getting in before we talk through it.

495
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

496
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: Now again, that that three and six conference record right now,

497
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 3: it's awful.

498
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: It is awful.

499
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: That means they would have to sweep their their last No,

500
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: I do think they're going to beat the Browns on Sunday.

501
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: I think they might beat the brakes off of them. Yeah,

502
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: but then Indy doesn't make a chance.

503
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: I know that was a massive loss for them, but

504
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 4: they have three really easy games.

505
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: They have a chance. The Bengals still have to play.

506
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: I me if the Chargers, I'm just saying that the

507
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: Chargers lose two of these next three or whatever.

508
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: The Bengals would have to sweep these next three games Browns, Broncos,

509
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: Steelers at Steelers to even have a shot of getting in. Yeah,

510
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen.

511
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 4: I don't think so. It would be great for the

512
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 4: Bengals to be resting guys in Week eighteen.

513
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Colts, on the other hand, still.

514
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 4: Have they have the easy schedule in the league.

515
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: I think, uh, they get the Titans this week, at

516
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: the Giants and then the Jaguars in the final season.

517
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 4: And that was a massive loss. I mean, that's a

518
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: that's a fireable loss to me, and I rarely say that.

519
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: And I know the head coach didn't drop the ball

520
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 4: on the one yard line instead of crossing the end zone,

521
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 4: but still, I mean, that goofy play that Benito took

522
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 4: to the house, it took eight years to develop. I mean, like,

523
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: what are you doing? You can't lose that game, and

524
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 4: that's that probably is an elimination game. For the Colts,

525
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 4: but if they were to not beat themselves in that game,

526
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: they'd be in the driver's seat.

527
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: They lose the tiebreaker to the Broncos. They lost to

528
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 3: the Broncos head. That's because they had to head.

529
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: That's why that loss was like the biggest loss of

530
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: the year.

531
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: They haven't played the Chargers the boy if they had

532
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: a cake schedule.

533
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: It's unbelievably easy, and it's so easy the rest of

534
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: their way. Yeah, I think they're good, but they'll just

535
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 4: beat bad teams. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I'd love to play.

536
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 4: You say that they have an easy, easy schedule, but

537
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 4: there's no such thing as an easy schedule when Anthony

538
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: Richardson is your quarterback. Yeah, but I don't think the

539
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: Giants could beat anybody.

540
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: I agree with you.

541
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he can't complete a pass, yeah, that's

542
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: that's an issue.

543
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: And I think is that game in the Metal Lands? Yeah,

544
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: that game's at the Metal.

545
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: Lands, which is not the easiest place to complete passes,

546
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: especially when you're throwing deep all the time.

547
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 4: There's still a ten point favored in that game. I mean,

548
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 4: Giants are probably, yeah, probably, but there's no Titans and

549
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 4: Jags are losable games.

550
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they could. They could certainly lose it to

551
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: Titans this week.

552
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: I will They're good. But you know, at the same time, I'd.

553
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: Love to see the Colts get in the playoffs.

554
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: They're two games back right now with three to play,

555
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: and they lose the tiebreaker to the the Broncos could

556
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: lose out and still beat them head.

557
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 4: There's so many people that do these playoff percentage chances

558
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 4: and all that. I wonder what the Chargers sit at

559
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: with a loss tonight or even going into the game.

560
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 4: I mean, they have to be a well over fifty percent.

561
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 4: They're gonna win their last two games exactly, exactly. Like

562
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: this is a fun conversation, but man, it's hard to

563
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: knock the Chargers out of the playoffs. Yeah, and you

564
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: know all things that they're playing as bad as they

565
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: can right now, and they're still in the driver's seat.

566
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have they have the tie breakers, they

567
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: stacked them.

568
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: They they're another team that hasn't beaten a good team

569
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: all season. The only their best win this season is

570
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: over the Broncos. Okay, that's it. Yeah, yeah, I mean

571
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 3: that's division game. They they're favored to night, which I

572
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 3: still don't understand, but I mean their wins have come

573
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: over the Raiders, the Panthers, the Broncos.

574
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: When the Panthers were really, really bad.

575
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Saints, the Browns, the Titans, the Bengals,

576
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: the Falcons when the Falcons were on a three game

577
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: losing stream. And now they've lost the last two weeks

578
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: to the Chiefs and Buccaneers.

579
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: They have to have the their lost lowest strength of

580
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: victory in the league.

581
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: Their losses are to the Steelers, the Chiefs, the Cardinals,

582
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Chiefs and Buccaneers.

583
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they beat garbage teams. They lose a good team. Yeah,

584
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: I mean they're the definition of that, which is okay,

585
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: but that's not going to go far in the playoff.

586
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

587
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: Their strength of victory is three thirty nine. Denvers is

588
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: actually lower. There's three to seventeen. Okay, Neither one of

589
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: those two teams is really good. No, No, that's what

590
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: I say. That's the beauty of the two and three

591
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: seed in the AFC. You know, like going to Houston

592
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: doesn't look terrible as the five. Their strength to host

593
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: one of those two teams, Houston strength of victory is

594
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: three eighty one. And remember they beat the Bills early

595
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: in the season.

596
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

597
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: Wow, I still have a little bit of hope for them.

598
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 4: You know that the end of this season looks better

599
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: than it has at points during the year. Yeah, I mean,

600
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: they're definitely better than the Chargers. Denver and I think

601
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 4: Chargers are different. That's it's in third in that conversation. Yeah,

602
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm not sure the Chargers are better than the Colts

603
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 4: and Bengals.

604
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: If you look at it, their strength of victory, those

605
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 3: two teams strength of victory is the lowest in the AFC.

606
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: Denver and the Chargers.

607
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: Denver and the Chargers are the only two teams that

608
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: are into It's it's awful.

609
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean AFC is vastly.

610
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: Well, Miami's another one. Miami's strength of victories two seventy four.

611
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: They're not eliminated yet, right, No, but they have to

612
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: have like miracles happen.

613
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, they're they're right there with Indianapolis and they have

614
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: they have the head to head over Indianapolis.

615
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: Okay, the chances of coming out to those two seemed slim, but.

616
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: I think no, I'm sorry they lost to the Colts

617
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: when they had all the slappies without Yeah, yeah, yeah,

618
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: but they've got the forty nine ers at the Browns

619
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: at the Jets.

620
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: No, they could go three and no they could. They're

621
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: probably gonna be two in one.

622
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: But I don't like their chances even against this Browns

623
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: team in weather.

624
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I remember, I think Jets is on the

625
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: road too. I remember looking at the schedules saying they

626
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: had weather at the end.

627
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know the Jets, Well, the Jets just

628
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: they're not home.

629
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: They haven't they have been given up now when Roger's

630
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: still playing with pride.

631
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, he wants to show he can still play.

632
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: So and they're better built to play in that weather

633
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: than everybody is.

634
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: So, but if the Chargers win tonight, it kind of

636
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: makes all those points that's thinking.

637
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: It kind of wraps everything up.

638
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: It's a huge game. Denver's going to the playoffs matter what.

639
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't believe they wouldn't. But if the

640
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: Chargers win the night, they're gonna be in. Yeah, and

641
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: most likely they're both gonna be in.

642
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Probably.

643
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: I think the field is kind of set now, it's

644
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: just a matter of who finishes where.

645
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: I guess the Chargers still could be the six. Yeah,

646
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: if they win.

647
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: They're definitely you know, probably the six they have won

648
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: both games had to head against Denver, it.

649
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: Will go a long way. Yeah.

650
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: I'd much rather play the Chargers than Denver though, And

651
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: I don't think Denver's great, but Denver can bucket up

652
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: and play defense. Yeah, you know, Chargers d isn't bad,

653
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: but I like, I think that was.

654
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Kind of falling off actually in recent weeks.

655
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: I think they're on the field a ton too. Yeah,

656
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: I mean they can't run the ball.

657
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: At all, not at all, So that's an interesting one

658
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: to watch. Uh. Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid said.

659
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: If he's playing, if he feels like he can play,

660
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: he's gonna play.

661
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

662
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: I heard on the way here he's had I think

663
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: the number was eight high ankle sprains, you know, in

664
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: his career, and he's always played like the next week.

665
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the super Bowl was won, There's

666
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: been a lot of high profile ones late in the year,

667
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: and he always plays. I mean, he hobbles around. I

668
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: think they're gonna lose that.

669
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Can I do too.

670
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're gonna lose this one, and I

671
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: think they're gonna lose to the Steelers.

672
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: I definitely think they're gonna lose this one. And I'm

673
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: curious just to see what he looks like and how

674
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: well can he protect himself if they can't protect him,

675
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: because that.

676
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Can protect him.

677
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: They don't at all that edge pass rushes on par

678
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: with the Steelers or in at least in the neighborhood.

679
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: I mean, those tackles aren't gonna block Hunnor and Anderson

680
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: at all, right.

681
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: No, not at all, So that's gonna be a problem

682
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: for them. And again they're you know, yeah, he can

683
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: get rid of the ball quickly, sure, and you know,

684
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: move the football, but.

685
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of quick, get open guys either.

686
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: That's they can really use Ratie Rice right now.

687
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 3: Like right now, they're you know, they're probably gonna get

688
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown back yeah this week, which is nice. Sure

689
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: he's but he's a on the field threat right right,

690
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: he's not all I'm gonna throw you a bubble screen

691
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: and see what you can do with it, because all

692
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: you have to do is breathe on him and he

693
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: goes down.

694
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: I was hearing some stuff yesterday, like they're yards after

695
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: catch is way lower than like.

696
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: Because Kelsey's averaging like eight yards of catch exactly, and

697
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: that used to be his thing, like ping pongyriek.

698
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: I'm talking like the whole mahomes ere yards after catches

699
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: way down compared to what how they're built. You know,

700
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: get the ball all quick, Kelsey after the catch. Racey

701
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: Rice was good in that regard. He was a huge

702
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: loss for them.

703
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hopkins has never opened you. Yeah.

704
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he goes up and gets it and goes down.

705
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: You know, but I mean score touchdowns for you and stuff.

706
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: I mean, Juju is not what he used to be.

707
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: Worthy doesn't separate, you know, so that they're searching, I

708
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: would say, I mean, so therefore Noah Gray's getting more

709
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know.

710
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, if you watch some of the

711
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Noah Gray stuff too, he's the guy that ends up

712
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: getting the ball thrown to him when Mahome starts to

713
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: move around in the pocket. I just don't know what

714
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: kind of pocket movement he's going to have.

715
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point at a point and they

716
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: run the ball.

717
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: Fine, But I said this a million times, Like I

718
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 4: know that they went after Hopkins at the trade deadline. Okay,

719
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: I would have gone after like Kamara, you know, like,

720
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: but check Go's okay, but give me a well rounded,

721
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: pass catching type guy, you know that you could have

722
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: got on the cheap. I would have been interested in

723
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: something like that.

724
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: I just think their Kareem Hunt's very pedestrian.

726
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Very beatable.

727
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most beatable thirteen and one team I

728
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen.

729
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: I think they'll maybe end up thirteen and four. They're

730
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: fourteen to three, yeah, something along those rides. They're not

731
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: in a great spot right now.

732
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: They really aren't. You don't want to be limping into

733
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: the playoffs. And we'll see how the Steelers.

734
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: I think there's a good chance Buffalo ends up with

735
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: the one Seeds have to happen.

736
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shot. Yeah, they you know, if they

737
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: lose these next two. And I think that's why Mahomes

738
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: is playing.

739
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: I would imagine, I mean, you feel the heat that

740
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: Bills are playing well, billse are playing better than them.

741
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: Won a plan those that. In that regard, you might

742
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: want Houston to win Saturday. For the Steeler perspective, I

743
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: guess yeah, yeah, and then they might say, yeah, it's a

744
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: short week, we're gonna sit Patrick out this one and

745
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: let him rest up for the Finaley and.

746
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: I still think that's a possibility. Like if the Chiefs win,

747
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: I would think there's more likely to set my home,

748
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: sit my homes on Christmas, because then you got a

749
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: two game lead with two to play, right, all you

750
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: gotta do is win the last one. You could give

751
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: him a really.

752
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: Long give him two weeks off, then he comes out

753
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: and guts it out through a game against and then

754
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: he gets two more weeks.

755
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: That would be my plan. If he plays this week

756
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: and wins, I would have a hard time playing I'm

757
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: on Christmas. Yeah, you know, that's a really short week

758
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: against a great pass rush, you know, and if he

759
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: doesn't handle the pass rush well against the Texans, probably

760
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: isn't much better in Pittsburgh.

761
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only difference is this game against the Texans

762
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: is in Kansas City. You might think we can steal

763
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: and win here at home without him, you mean with him? Yeah,

764
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: I think so too.

765
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: And and you know, and then you know we're not

766
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: going to play them against Pittsburgh.

767
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: It's the way I would try to set it up

768
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: on But it sounds like, I mean, he's got a

769
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: lot of say in this matter too, and I don't

770
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: think he's ever to be like I'm a cool sitting.

771
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would almost right now. And I understand Carson

772
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: Wentz has not been Yeah.

773
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: But he's not tea bag. But he's not hurt, right,

774
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he's at least been around the league.

775
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

776
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: If I'm the Steelers, I might rather face my home

777
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: right now, my chances.

778
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: I would never do that.

779
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm just you haven't seen him play yet, I know.

780
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: But he's the best quarterback this year.

781
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: He's not played well, he hasn't played like the best

782
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: quarterback on the planet, but he's played better than if

783
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: piece of sitting when he has guy in the league,

784
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: if piece of.

785
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Sitting duck in the pocket, I'll take my chances.

786
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: Oh, compared to Wentzh, I'll take my chances playing against him.

787
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't fear him like I usually would.

788
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: I think just with Wentz, there's just so much unknown

789
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: because you just haven't seen him going to.

790
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: Some Winston qualities too, which has nothing to lose and

791
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: throw it all over the place, and.

792
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: That to me, that unknown because he's he's done it before,

793
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: he's he's own flashes before.

794
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: Oh.

795
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: I used to be a big fan, Yeah, I mean

796
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: not compared to my homes and then he started he

797
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 4: could be in a wheelchair.

798
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: I disagree. I disagree. I'd rather face the hobbled the

799
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: hobbled guy.

800
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: He's done well in those Thames circumstances without with I mean,

801
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: I get it. It's better than playing him fresh.

802
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: That's all.

803
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: He's done well in the past when he had like

804
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey at the height of his powers.

805
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in like Super Bowls, and.

806
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: But those guys at the at the height of the

807
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: at the height of his power, at their powers when

808
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: they could actually all he had to do was throw

809
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: Kelsey at a five yard out right, and he's rumbling

810
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: down the field, pinballing off of guys and not getting tackled.

811
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: And does have those advantages either. Yeah, but he you know,

812
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: he's healthy. He's healthy. Yeah, he's talented and he can run. Oh,

813
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: he can run. He's talented. Yeah.

814
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm shocked his career has gone as bad as he has.

815
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: I have no tape on him, right, I mean he

816
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: has tendencies, but not in that offense.

817
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just don't. I'd rather face what the devil

818
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: I know, than the devil I don't know.

819
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: That devil's too scary. Homes, the devil's missing horns and

820
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: half a tail, And yeah, he's still magic. It's not

821
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: like Chris Collinsworth He's awesome.

822
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not been awesome this year. He's not.

823
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: He's not about Jalen Hurt, but he's not that awesome

824
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that he's been. He's a great quarterback. I think he's

825
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league. He's not been that

826
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: guy all season long.

827
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: Now, he's merely been really, really good.

828
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: I'll take us.

829
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got twenty one touchdown passes and eleven interceptions,

830
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: but we might have he might have twenty one touchdown

831
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: passes eleven interceptions and.

832
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: They might be three and ten as opposed the other

833
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: way around.

834
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not pulled out as many of those victories

835
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: as people give him credit for.

836
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: He didn't block a kick against the Broncos.

837
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: Make him drop a drop field either, drop an they could.

838
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: They could very easily right now be an eight win team.

839
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And that's kind of what they're playing like, Yeah,

840
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: I mean that's what they are on tape.

841
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: And it's not all it's not been all my home,

842
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: my homes, my home mahomes.

843
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: No, No, it's not like how Josh Allen's carried. No, no,

844
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: not at all. It's not even been like Lamar has

845
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: carried the Ravens now time. But he's done a lot

846
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: of things like I'm not going to force this thing.

847
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to play smart Rady esques of management, you know.

848
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: But he's also been you know, there's they're they're averaging

849
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: fewer points per game than Steelers.

850
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh I know.

851
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, their offense has been very middle road. Yeah, it's

852
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: not it's not this great offense.

853
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: No, by the way, to go in to score and

854
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs, that's not who this team is.

855
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: No, I think Hexans are going to beat them.

856
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: That they are who they are at this point in

857
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: the season. They're a team that's that is a struggling

858
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: people talk about the Steelers are struggling offense. The Chiefs

859
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: are a struggling offense with Patrick Mahomes.

860
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, they're not the powerhouse that they have

861
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: been the last couple of years at all. I think

862
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: in the super Bowl, but they're not Patrick Mahomes And

863
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: if he's healthy.

864
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I would not play them.

865
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: If they win against Texans, I would said them maybe

866
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 4: until if.

867
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: I if I watch this game on Saturday and he's

868
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: out there limping around.

869
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: I'll take what I'll take my chances against Willis re

870
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: Mm not not versus Wentz, but not to us. I

871
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: I just but if I were read, I would not.

872
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's as much a tip of the captain Andy

873
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Reid and what he's capable of doing even on a

874
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: short week, because he's had Wentz all year long. Now

875
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 3: that he's gonna he's gonna come up with some kind

876
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: of something that that Wentz can do.

877
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: Well.

878
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they won't be a pushover with Wess.

879
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: No chance.

880
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: They weren't when Henny would get in games.

881
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: I think his quarterback mobility because it's certainly is an

882
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: asset that Andy Reid would use and utilize more so

883
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: than he can do with with a hobbled Patrick Mahomes.

884
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Speaker 1: That's my point.

885
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh, that point's valid. I mean, he's definitely gonna move

886
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: better than Mahomes.

887
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: And I think Andy Reid again, I think Andy Reid

888
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: is probably the best coach. There's no problem. He's the

889
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 3: best coach in the league right now. And he would

890
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: come up and he's certainly the best offensive game planner.

891
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: He would come up with something that would make Carson

892
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: Wentz capable of beating.

893
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: You don't come up with something to make Mahomes cap

894
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: We'll beat into the Texans.

895
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: He could quick.

896
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: But I think I'd much rather defend that than I

897
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: would a guy who's I have. I have no tape

898
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: on I had no idea what they're gonna do with them.

899
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: Now if he plays in this If Wentz would come

900
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: in and play this week against Houston at some point

901
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: at least, then you have some tape on him. Yeah, yeah,

902
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: you see, Okay, he can He can still make this story.

903
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: He can still make that through does hero He always

904
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: when he tries to escape, he always tries to escape

905
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: left or he always tries to escape right.

906
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted him. He does have a lot

907
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: of tendencies over his career. Yeah, you know, not necessarily

908
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: good like a Winston, you know.

909
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: Like, but have they but have they coached that stuff

910
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: out of him?

911
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: Maybe not? But I don't want to play against Home.

912
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not gonna convince me that I would

913
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: play against all.

914
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Take my shot.

915
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 3: I'll take my chances in my building with my pass

916
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: rush against a guy that can't move.

917
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Speaker 4: I'll take my chance against both of them. I think

918
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: either one is a winnable game for the Steelers. I

919
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: have to pick between the two. You're never gonna convince

920
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: me that's not my homes all right, Never, Let's get

921
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Speaker 4: through a break.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lalli.

923
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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive

924
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

925
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: back with more right after this.

926
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Speaker 1: At least.

927
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Speaker 2: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

928
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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

929
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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

930
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the drive.

931
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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and

932
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Matt this will be the thirty seventh matchup between Mike

933
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: Tomlin and John Harbory over the course of their careers.

934
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Speaker 1: Who would you say has had the better overall talent?

935
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's tough. I mean, how many Hall OFAs

936
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: have gone back and forth? More Hall of Famers, I

937
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: was going to say, but Ben, I'll take over all

938
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Speaker 4: of them just in terms of importance. Not the flat

939
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: goes bad, but give me a Hall of Fame quarterbacks impressive,

940
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Speaker 4: I would say, have a last Since Ben, I would

941
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: say the Ravens have had more talent, and yet the

942
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Speaker 4: Steelers have won eight of those nine games. Yeah, in

943
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 4: this decade, one eight of the last nine.

944
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Speaker 3: Now, Lamar Jackson has only played in five of those,

945
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Speaker 3: but in the games Lamar has played in, the Steelers

946
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Speaker 3: have won four to five.

947
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Speaker 4: M I'm still thinking, who is that better talent? I mean,

948
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Speaker 4: think all the defensive studs that they've both have had.

949
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Speaker 3: Well, think about the power rankings just in this decade

950
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: when we start the season. Throughout the season, I think

951
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: everybody says that the Ravens have more talent than the Steelers.

952
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: Lately, for sure. Lately for sure.

953
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: Yet the Steelers have won the last nine meetings between

954
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Speaker 3: these two teams.

955
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Speaker 1: And yet when you hear people.

956
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: Talk about the coaches, especially locally, well, I'd much rather

957
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: have John Harbaugh as my head coach and Mike Tomlin.

958
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Well, then how are they winning these games? How have

959
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: they won eight of nine? Right? Oh?

960
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: No, Kenny Pickett's And when you started that, I're gonna

961
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: say who's had the better career, Tomlin or Harbaugh. I

962
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: think it's Tomlin. I would agree with that too, right, Yeah,

963
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: and I think they're both going the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

964
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: But I think Tomlin has a stronger case if they

965
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Speaker 4: were to both retire today.

966
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: He's got more wins, he's got to see a number

967
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: of he's been to two Super Bowls, and.

968
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: Obviously the head to head stuff is noteworthy.

969
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: But you know, but I think the difference between the

970
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: two teams right now is the head coach. I think

971
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, because again, thirty seven times these guys have

972
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: faced off. I think Mike Tomlin has a better understanding

973
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: of John Harbaugh than Harbaugh has of Tomlin.

974
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I absolutely believe that that he would never admit

975
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 4: this or tell us why, but I think he has

976
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: not like insider dirt on him, but he has some

977
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: kind of feel.

978
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: For this is how Arba is going to prepare for

979
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: us on this, or what he's going to do on

980
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: fourth downs, or or.

981
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: He's in a zag on this. You know, we've done

982
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: this to them over and over and over and it

983
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 4: hasn't worked. So I bet Harbad does this now, you know,

984
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: Like I think he's one step ahead.

985
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: These are like two guys playing chess against each other

986
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: for thirty seven consecutive days.

987
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, like immense knowledge of one another. Right

988
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: and after a while, you just learned.

989
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Okay, if I moved this rook here, he's gonna move

990
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: that pond there and I got him.

991
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I definitely think so. And I think that's

992
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: one of Tomlin's great strengths, you know, especially within the

993
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: division and coaches he sees a lot of. Now, I

994
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: think Belichick was a little better at it than Tomlin,

995
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: you know, like, yeah, Belichick I think is the best

996
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 4: ever at that. And their head to heads was one side.

997
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: Just like the freaking Emperor right in start in Star Wars,

998
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: right with the hood on.

999
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: And exactly you know, and running the universe right with

1000
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Brady and.

1001
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Right Brady was Darth Vader out there doing all the

1002
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: dirty work and Belichick's sitting back there twidling exactly, you know,

1003
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: and they've been shooting.

1004
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: That's why I think he's a best coach of all electricity.

1005
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Right.

1006
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 4: So, I think it's sort of similar, Like Belichick knew

1007
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: how to attack the Lebaux defense and what Tomlin was doing.

1008
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: And tom was a younger coach at that point. I'm

1009
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: sure he learned a lesson or two from man going

1010
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 4: against that coach all the time. How do I get

1011
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 4: to be that guy?

1012
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: You know?

1013
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: What I mean, And I don't think that it's a

1014
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: dominance over Harbor, but I do think it's an edge.

1015
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: I think it is too because I think everybody would agree,

1016
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 4: especially over the last four or five years, the Ravens

1017
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: have had better talent. Yeah, I mean, like you said,

1018
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: I think that you know, preseason power ranks or Vegas

1019
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 4: odds have always favored the Ravens going into the season.

1020
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: Expectations going into the year by smart people, you know,

1021
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: including like you know, guys like us that do this

1022
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: for a living.

1023
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: You know that that doesn't include us in the smart people.

1024
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: No, and we're also a little leaning towards one team.

1025
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: But I mean in terms of, like, man, how good

1026
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: to that team be? You know, the Ravens have been

1027
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: at the top of the list during the La Mario

1028
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: let's call it that, you know, because Steelers but Picket,

1029
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: I mean, like the quarterback competition lately has not been cool.

1030
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: Even when the Steelers had ended career Ben the Ravens

1031
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: had an advantage.

1032
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 4: Your quarterback, absolutely, absolutely right.

1033
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: They've had the advantage of quarterback over the Steelers since

1034
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: basically Lamar's second year and the only time he has

1035
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: beaten them in that period in his career he beat

1036
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges, Like, right, you got to

1037
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: be better than that. Yeah, quarterback advantage and you had

1038
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: to go to overtime to do it. And he didn't

1039
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: even have Like that wasn't even him doing it. That

1040
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: was Marlon Humphrey forcing Juju Smith Schuster to fumble and

1041
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: then you get ten yards and Tucker kicks a six

1042
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: you know, fifty plus yard field goal and you get

1043
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: to win.

1044
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: It's still rattling around in my brain just their whole careers,

1045
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: Who's had the better talent? Because I was going to say,

1046
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: you know, Ben over Flacco carries a lot a weight, sure,

1047
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: and Flack is good, but lamar over Duck and Picket,

1048
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

1049
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: I mean, now we're talking an A versus a yeah

1050
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: a D, or an F versus an AA versus a C, or.

1051
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: Even just cheat and say since both of them have

1052
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: Ben Head coaches, the defenses are almost a wash. The

1053
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: kickers are close to a wash. You know, if we

1054
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: just focus on weapons and quarterback, it's like, well, there

1055
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: was a stretch there that Ben was. Steers had a

1056
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: big edge and even but Flacco's a lot better than

1057
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: what the Seeers have played with throwing the Lamari era

1058
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: up until this year.

1059
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1060
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: Right, So It's just I was thinking of that today

1061
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: as I'm trying to come up some stuff for the

1062
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: five for Friday, and that hit me.

1063
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this.

1064
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: I just don't you know when when again, when you

1065
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: when you start listening to people rank head coaches and

1066
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: things of that nature, even coming into this season. Yeah,

1067
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: Harball's a top five coach, you know, Tomlin's you know,

1068
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: he hasn't done much lately. What he has done is

1069
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: beating Harbaugh.

1070
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, and one in the consistently the whole

1071
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: division too. You know That's not fluky to me is

1072
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 4: his knowledge of the coaches. I'm sure it goes even

1073
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: to the front office ownership, how they build things, what

1074
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: kind of people they're trying to you know, what their

1075
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: vision is as organizations, and how can I destroy that vision?

1076
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? You know what do I need to

1077
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: do to beat that?

1078
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: And you know, I think a big reason why the

1079
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: Steelers have the guys that they have on the edge

1080
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 3: is a big you know, is because they play Lamar Jackson.

1081
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean Lamar and Burrow are gonna dictate

1082
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: what you do an awful lot without then Jamar Chase

1083
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: is a guy like that. Yeah, And certainly the rest

1084
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: of the division looks at Garrett and Watt and be like,

1085
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: we're in the division with two of the top dudes,

1086
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: you know, like we better be good at tackle. We

1087
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: better go sign on right right right? Yeah, yeah, I

1088
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: mean we better use picks on tackles. And Steelers use

1089
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: two picks in the last two drafts on tackles, you know,

1090
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: like a lot of good edg rushers in this division.

1091
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that matters, It certainly does. And but I just

1092
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 3: it just seems to me that Tomlin just has the mental.

1093
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Edge on Harbor.

1094
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: I get that impression too, you know, like head to head,

1095
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: he kind of feels more of the big brother, you know.

1096
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Yeah. Anyways, let's get to another break.

1097
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: That's going to do it for our number one of

1098
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1099
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Speaker 1: Matt and I will be back with our number two

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Speaker 1: right after this