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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. You guys, this is very, very, very exciting.

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Speaker 1: We are having the very first return guest. I'm so

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Speaker 1: thankful to Missalinate. It's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: You back. I'm so honored and grateful to be back

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Speaker 2: for my second time, my second appearance.

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Speaker 1: You just count down the days so we can get

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Speaker 1: you back.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. It's my favorite season.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's my favorite season two.

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Speaker 2: Season three is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Right, everything jelled.

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Speaker 2: Everything jails. That's usually how it goes with the season

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Speaker 2: three of shows. But I think for this, this particular series,

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Speaker 2: I think something happens about season three, like even for

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Speaker 2: the time and just really experiencing what everybody else was experiencing.

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Speaker 2: This this show that was very prolific but was very

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Speaker 2: much a product of its time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, indeed, yeah, which you're going to discuss, guys,

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Speaker 1: because this episode is called No ifs Ands or Butts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It aired July fifth, in the year two thousand, twenty

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Speaker 1: five years ago, so bonkers to me. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm forty one, So I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was still in Chicago, but you know, gearing up

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Speaker 2: desire and to be a television writer. And I've said

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Speaker 2: I was very charmed and moved by the voiceover for sure,

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Speaker 2: the character development, the friendships on the SHO show. I

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Speaker 2: we continue to go back, and you guys were able

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Speaker 2: No pun intended, but uh yeah, I think I was

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and I think for us, like we were

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Speaker 2: So we have these moments where you kind of, you know,

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Speaker 2: four to transition. And and they also show us what

432
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: happens when one of your friends has a baby right now?

433
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: She got the baby at the damn table, right, And

434
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: you guys are like, what is on? Like what are

435
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: we come on? And she's frustrated, yes and inconvenience yes

436
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: for her yes, And you guys are like, girl, Sam,

437
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: you gotta bro like she got a kid, now, relaxed?

438
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: Right were you at the table? What are you only

439
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: talking about your husband?

440
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: What's going on?

441
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh my god. Yes, but it's practice.

442
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: It's true, and it's also it's intimacy. It's chosen family, yes,

443
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: and that it is put and what Michael Patrick did

444
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: say at one point too, which I think is also

445
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: like even maybe one layer underneath, it's all about your

446
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: relationship to yourself, you know, and what figuring out who

447
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: you are and what you really want what's true to you, right,

448
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: which I think we've always tried to do, you know,

449
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: in the whole history of all of it. Like someone

450
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: came on the other day and they were saying how

451
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: unhappy they were that Carrie ends and just like that single,

452
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: And I said, well, that's really funny because when we

453
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: ended se in the city and she was not single,

454
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: people were outraged, you know, yeah, just saying people were outraged.

455
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: Some people were outraged. Everyone's going to project their own

456
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: right exactly.

457
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: Right, right, I mean, but and I did. I read

458
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: an article about that, about her, you know, winding up

459
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: on her own. But I also think it's it's a

460
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: statement of the times.

461
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: I do too. Yes, it's the whole thing.

462
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: It's very it's very topical.

463
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Did you see this woman wrote this article about being

464
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: embarrassed to have a boyfriend.

465
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so good and.

466
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: So you know, on social media it used to there

467
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: was like a whole relationship revealed thing and like so wonderful.

468
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: Still still for sure, but I mean now there's another

469
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: kind of almost like counterprogramming to that going. You know what,

470
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: I am my own woman, I make my own money,

471
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: and I go on trips by myself.

472
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: Well, hello, Tracy Elis Ross. I told her, I said,

473
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: I told Tracy, I said, you are a brand of women.

474
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: Am I divorced? No, I'm Tracy Elis Ross totally.

475
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: And that is the future of like resorts apparently single

476
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: women wellness.

477
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 2: Well, Tracy has a whole show about it, travel and

478
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: obviously compare that with like Carrie's character, you know, being

479
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: on her own. But I think a big part of

480
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: that is and I know there's a lot of women,

481
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: I want to say, of a certain age. I don't

482
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: know what that age can be. It can be any age.

483
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of women who are like,

484
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: you know what, I'd rather do this solo. And and

485
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: some of that may have to do with who are

486
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: their options? What what, what's what's coming? You know, are

487
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: some women saying, let me maybe entertain the idea of

488
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: dating a woman or someone who's non binary. But also, again,

489
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: we live in a patriarchal society.

490
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: Right, and we're still like men are the top of

491
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: the pyramid. Yeah, but we're and it's interesting that we're

492
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out like how how to like

493
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: we're going around in a circuit about how to deal

494
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: with that do you feel.

495
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: Well, you mean in terms of the patriarchal elements.

496
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: I'm a single woman right now. I've got a lot

497
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: of money, thank god. You know, it worked hard. Kids

498
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: don't really need a man, you know what I mean.

499
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: People are so confused by it.

500
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Well, here's I mean. I think to me, it's it's

501
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: interesting because I was also seeing I didn't get to

502
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to watch. I saw the click,

503
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: the thumbnail and the thing, but I haven't watched the

504
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: video yet, but it was saying are women getting the

505
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: men they deserve? And right, so I saved it. I

506
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: will watch that later because I'm curious what that it's

507
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: a podcast up, I'm like, cure what that conversation is like.

508
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: But the truth is, and not even say person too.

509
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to make it so binary, but but

510
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: the truth is, it's a matter of do you want

511
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: to be on your own team or do you want

512
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: to be in a scenario where you're you're on the

513
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: team with someone else, And that is those are two

514
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: very different lifestyles for sure, for sure, and they both

515
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: come with their pros and cons.

516
00:26:54,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Right when I look back on the show, there's so

517
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: many things like with Steve. Steve in this particular.

518
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Really good episode for Steve, it's so good, he's so good.

519
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: He's great, isn't he so great? And I really really

520
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: didn't understand at the time how great he was.

521
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: I think I've always liked Steve. He's always he's blue

522
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: collar guy, so solid.

523
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: Real grounded and solid and like like such a big heart,

524
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, huge heart. And Samantha's sorry, Miranda's so

525
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: closed that it's the perfect combination. But then also we

526
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: know what happens, and you can also kind of understand

527
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: what happens, right because he's just like this kind of puppy.

528
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: Big huge hearts and she's like no, no, But again

529
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: that what I love is that that relationship brought out

530
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: so much in both of them. Yeah, you know he opposite. Yes,

531
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: he helped him grow up and he helped her relax.

532
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: Because he is like a child. I mean, he's like

533
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: a child when he's like come to the playground.

534
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal, Like, how do we define child?

535
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Good point? Good point? Good point? But like I felt

536
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: like she was the mommy in that conversation right where

537
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you're probably not.

538
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Gonna win, but but here's the and by the way,

539
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: like that's I love that you need to have everybody's

540
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: perspective and also both sizing to be right. And so

541
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: she's probably right, but so was.

542
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: He totally totally I mean, I mean, and that's the

543
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: point I think, really well well done. Where she goes

544
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: and they have that famous scene in front of Magnolia

545
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Bakery with the cupcakes, and she's like, you know, I

546
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: just seems really stupid.

547
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: She was the worst silly. Yeah, and of course Carrie's

548
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: wasn't that what couples are supposed to do each other? Silly?

549
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Dream true? True? And will at least be supportive, yeah,

550
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: you know, and the other person, yes, they won exactly silly.

551
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: But what it is is it forces her to grow

552
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: because I love that, Yes she's a she's at her

553
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, her desk, and she's working. And it goes

554
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: back to what I was saying, when you're in a

555
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: relationship with someone, If she wasn't with him, she would

556
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: not have gone outside and gotten some fresh air. She

557
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: had just been in the apartment, you know.

558
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: And she also wouldn't think about what are what.

559
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: It was, dreams, what's possible? It's okay to believe in

560
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: something that seems like it would never happen, right, totally. Yeah,

561
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 2: So I just think like that to me, is is

562
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: so beautiful and special, and I think it sends a

563
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: really nice message to me too.

564
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: I was really happy I didn't remember any of that storyline,

565
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I think because I'm not. We're not. We're now all

566
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: a bit siloed storylines, and I just remember I remember

567
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: them having so much stuff and thinking it was good

568
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: at the time because it was such a deep arc.

569
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm always all for that, and we really made use

570
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: of that on the show in a beautiful way of the writers.

571
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: And I love that as a viewer, you know as well,

572
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: like really getting time to.

573
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: See oh yeah, that's all we love Steve and eight

574
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: so obviously eight and being introduced, and later we'll see

575
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: how Aiden and Steve come together and those guys because

576
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: they're very much, you know, kind of kept from the

577
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: same clock. They opened the bar together and all that stuff.

578
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, I forget all these things. It's

579
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: really fun to rewatch.

580
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: I have never rewatched, you understand, most of us we

581
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: like just go back and like have it on. It's

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: just like the office, It's like anything else. We are.

583
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: It's this encyclopedia, it's a library, and the fact that

584
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: there's like three chapters of it. It is the show

585
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: the movies, the movie era, which was like huge. Okay,

586
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: I remember the midnight showing at that you know, the Grove.

587
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, grow for the midnight screen at the first

588
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: such a City movie.

589
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: It's so crazy not knowing what to do it exactly, but.

590
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: Not knowing what to expect. I think in terms of society.

591
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when people go people not people the industry.

592
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: This is what the industry was saying. We were not

593
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: supposed to do well, I know, because they can't ever

594
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: learn that lesson that women want to go to the

595
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: movies and gay men and game.

596
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely it was, but it was a really I'll never

597
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: forget that experience going to see that movie and seeing

598
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: seeing the cultural impact amazing because you're like, yeah, who

599
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: is gonna you know? And I wouldn't have minded if

600
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it's like sex and City fanatics so whatever.

601
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: But it was. It was almost as if everybody that

602
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: was at home, like because you are silo your home

603
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: watching it yourself and talk about it with your friends

604
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: when you have a watch party, depending and I think

605
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: when the movies happened, it was like a freaking Star

606
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: Wars convention. It was like we all were like insane

607
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: in the same place, watching the same thing, and it

608
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: was really cool. It's cool to be around your people.

609
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: And it felt like, you know.

610
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's what going to the movies why we can

611
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: never lose it.

612
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: No, you can't, because it's too it's too special.

613
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: It's it's too magical experience dark.

614
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: And y'all gave us, you know, some big movie that

615
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: I know that the word is like you know one,

616
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: but like just some really big movie moments. I mean

617
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: talk about set pieces and like because you do wonder

618
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? Like what's it going to be?

619
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: It's like Michael patuc was like, you'll see, don't worry

620
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: and then but obviously then the third chapter and final

621
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: is you know, and just like that, which is to

622
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: have those three eras is pretty it is pretty conic.

623
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I agree, it is. It's beyond it's beyond anything that

624
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I can even really sometimes get my own mind around it.

625
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: And I have lived through it. But I also don't

626
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: feel like it's done. I don't don't look at I

627
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't look at in my thut, I don't do,

628
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Michael's on his own page.

629
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sarah's on her own page, of course,

630
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: but I don't feel I did feel complete after, you know,

631
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: and just like that or the second movie, we thought

632
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: we were going to do the third.

633
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: Right, and then it kind of turned into and just

634
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: like that, I think time.

635
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: But during that time, I'd see Michael and I'd see

636
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: the girls obviously discussed like what should we do? Should

637
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: we do something?

638
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: You know, I know it's.

639
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Always exactly and there was always that chance, which was

640
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: exciting and nice. So we still had each other in

641
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: our lives, which is also amazing.

642
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: That's rightful, Yeah, it's the best part.

643
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: But then and now that's true now, and so that

644
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: we did it just like that, and I really thought

645
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: we'd keep going because that's me, right, It's just.

646
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: Me, always, eternal optimus, and you keep going forever.

647
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I was like, well, why wouldn't we you know what

648
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like.

649
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's a look. I mean,

650
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna write We're season eight for the Shop.

651
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna, you know, it's our final season but

652
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: I think it really was. I definitely was thinking about

653
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: those final interviews that you guys did with for Sex

654
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: and the City the first time around after the sixth yes,

655
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: and I just remember, you know, surgical Parker saying like,

656
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: you want to leave while the party's cresting, you want

657
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: to I was like, what do you say? What are

658
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: you saying?

659
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes that I was like, what are you talking about?

660
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: We don't want to know.

661
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: But here's the deal, here's the deal. It was. It

662
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: was hard. It was tough because you think, like, oh damn,

663
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: six seasons, come on, but it felt right. It did.

664
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: It felt it felt because otherwise you don't want to

665
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: go out with the whimper. No, that's true, and you

666
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: want people to gather, and that's true. People get true,

667
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: people get me.

668
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I think at the time that the show, you know,

669
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: Sarah had her baby and Cynthia had her baby, So

670
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: for me, I was living life with them watching that,

671
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: and that is a huge chapter in life right then.

672
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I also really did believe that the time that we

673
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: ended the first show that we would make a movie,

674
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: and that was super exciting.

675
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: Right. How much time was that though between it ended,

676
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: It was more time.

677
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Than it was supposed to be because they had a

678
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: hold on us in our contracts. Oh yes, which was

679
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: part of the negotiation for the final season. You know

680
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: how they like to put everything in together. They're like, well,

681
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you would like more money, we would like this X

682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Y and Z, right, yeah, And I was like, yes, yes,

683
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I will give you X Y and Z. I ah

684
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: put me on hold to make a movie. Please tell you.

685
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is no problem.

686
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you guys had that.

687
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: That was then it expired.

688
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: Oh yes.

689
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: I had to call brecked On and we talked about

690
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: it a little bit. And because he was in charge

691
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: of HBO at the time, Wow, and he had the

692
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: foresight to think of a film.

693
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting.

694
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: But then and so he commissioned the script for Michael Patrick.

695
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: And Michael Patrick was writing the script, which we knew about, right,

696
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: and so we had a hold in our contract. It

697
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: was I want to say, a year or a year and

698
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: a half, not that long for us to start production, right.

699
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: And I remember Michael calling and telling me the ideas,

700
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: not seeing a script, but hearing the ideas. I was, yeah,

701
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: to Michael, anything you want me to do, I will do.

702
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: I was very, very excited and I thought this would

703
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: just be amazing, even if it was just a small

704
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: culty kind of a movie. You know what I'm trying

705
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to say, right, Like we didn't know, you know, we

706
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: didn't know, right, But the problem was HBO didn't know

707
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: who was going to finance and or distribute it, right,

708
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: because we were all in Time warn but HBO we

709
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: don't release movies. It ended up being Time a new

710
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: line under Warner Brothers, right, And but that was eventually

711
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: so the first time around when Chris had commissioned the script

712
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: from Michael Patrick, the it the hold expired, got it

713
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: and I was devastated because you want to do thee

714
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: God yes, But then you know, Michael Patrick's not going

715
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: to give up once he's got a creative idea, I know, right.

716
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: So he had a creative idea and he was like,

717
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: we're going to figure it out. But it was hard

718
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: because it had never been done right where you've got

719
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: an ip that has been over here exactly and you're

720
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: wanting to put it over here. So it took Toby

721
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: Emerick saying stepping up to the plate when he did,

722
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: and what Chris said was the turning point was Devil

723
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: ware's part of one did so well. That was one

724
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: of our directors, David Frankel exactly. And Chris was like,

725
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: that's our movie. Why didn't we make our movie?

726
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: We're so stupid out before?

727
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Isn't that bizarre? It's not how I remember it, but

728
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: that's what Chris told me. And I looked it up

729
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's accurate.

730
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, I believe that. Wow.

731
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: Interesting, right, So he was like, why didn't we go ahead?

732
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: We should go I think I think, well, I think

733
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: everything happens exactly the way it's supposed to. But I

734
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: think that amount of time and again I can't put

735
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: my finger on how much time it was from when

736
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: the last episode aired.

737
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: Two thousand and four to two thousand and eight. That's

738
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: four years.

739
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: That to me is such a beautiful amount of time.

740
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not too long, not too short.

741
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it really kind of gave people time

742
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: to kind of miss you guys, and you know, and

743
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: obviously and it made sense in terms of where you

744
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: guys left off that Oh yeah, they would be maybe

745
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: thinking about getting married at this point, and this is

746
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: where Samantha would be and this is where Miranda would be.

747
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: It just and also what school is just going to

748
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: get a sense of where are they now? Where's everybody?

749
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: Get the quick like catch up and check it in

750
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: all these and then it's like, you know, for the

751
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: fandom that is the show, everybody sitting in that theater

752
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: is like, oh okay, oh oh you just because you

753
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: have all these ideas of what happened to them once

754
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: you left them. Yeah, that that personally is like just

755
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: like and then of course, of course, because it did

756
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: so well, you're gonna have a sequel.

757
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: Sure, we were supposed to have three. That was the plan.

758
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: The fact that you guys are going to do three

759
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: movies is insane to me.

760
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: I know it is insane, but.

761
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I would have hung up after the first one.

762
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: After the first movie, I'd be like, that is a wonderful.

763
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: Nobody wants up when you do well the first time.

764
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: But guess what it Yeah. I love that there was

765
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: never a sequel to Bridesmaids.

766
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point.

767
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: That's good. And I know that Kristen Wigg and her

768
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: amazing writing partner probably were offered something and I'm sure

769
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: there's a story behind it. I'm sure, But I and

770
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: I think that movie made it on the top one

771
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: hundred movies of the some century. The New York Times

772
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: did whatever, which was cool. And I said to myself,

773
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: and I think the reason why is because they let

774
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: that movie stand. They were like, we're not going back smart.

775
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: It did what it needed to do. That's it. And

776
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: and I'll say, I mean, look, I'm happy that there

777
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: was another movie. We all were, but that's that first

778
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Sexto the City movie. It can stand on its own

779
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: even if you never seen the show.

780
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful right now.

781
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: You can't watch that movie and just say wow.

782
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: I agree.

783
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: That is I agree, and you guys give us a feast.

784
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I know, I agree. I agree. Michael Patrick did a

785
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: great job with the first one and the second one

786
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: too in a different way. But like, I understand what

787
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: you're saying, but it's really hard.

788
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: I get it. No, no, y'all. It was nuts. It

789
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: was like it was it was everywhere. It was crazy.

790
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: So I get it crazy.

791
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because we were such a I say this,

792
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: people don't believe me, but we were like the little

793
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: train that could, you know.

794
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: The word, yeah, little engine that could, the little.

795
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Engine that could. Thank you so much, you're a good writer.

796
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: You know.

797
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: We weren't supposed to ever be successful, you know, but

798
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: we just had like like we were so committed, like

799
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: like we are going to tell these stories.

800
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: But my question is why did people think it wouldn't

801
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Why did you think that you.

802
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: Were because there was nothing like it.

803
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: There was no is a reason to be success.

804
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but there was no like you know how the

805
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: process is, Yes, there's no precedent and how they like

806
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: to say like the four quadrant.

807
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: The well, the question becomes waiting to exhale come out

808
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: before the show, because that's kind came up with myself

809
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: on the Red Divine on Legacy Talk.

810
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Good point where.

811
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: Because I know Girlfriends was like right after you got

812
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: and so there were there were these black women quads,

813
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: you know that sort of.

814
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I think waiting for exhale.

815
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, waiting to extail what year to come?

816
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: I feel like ninety five right before us, right yeah,

817
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: and that was a huge hit. Good point, good point.

818
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, I got to give credit to the Red Divine, Yes,

819
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: the great Red Divine. She was like she says it,

820
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: she's a I literally have to talk like what's the

821
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: one with the white girls running around New York City.

822
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: I said sex and Decisions. She's like, yeah, that came Afterway, and.

823
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I remember that was a big like every huge, huge, you.

824
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. And so I think I think

825
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: that again it goes back to a patriarchal society where

826
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: that women we are, there's no argument about it, are

827
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: seeing as second class citizens in our own nation, our world,

828
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: all over the world. And so the idea for women

829
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: talking about their sexuality, being friends, dating, having real autonomy

830
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 2: feels like, well, is that going to be Mary telling

831
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: Moore show. They literally had to save it. They were

832
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: putting it on Saturdays and going like, nobody's going to

833
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: stay home and and it's and again, a lot of

834
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: it is there's so much doubt when it comes to us,

835
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: so much, and so we it's so interesting because when

836
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: you say the lunch come like what, why would anyone

837
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: think that makes so much sense? And you know, and

838
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: look again, because we live in a white leaning world. Yes,

839
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: it's it's white women that get that that push, you know.

840
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: But I am grateful for some movies like Set It

841
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: Off and Girls Trip, like The Quads content, the Quads content.

842
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: Thank god, thank god.

843
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did a trio you know, fantastic. You know,

844
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: it's like that, thank you so much. I mean, any

845
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: version ladies talking, there's always vibe, absolutely enjoy talking about

846
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: their emotions, about dating, all that kind of stuff, and

847
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: so yeah, I think Sex and City made it very popular,

848
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: but I totally get like there was some sort of

849
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: backlash because it's showing women having a voice, not necessarily

850
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: needing a man to approve them, but rather than building

851
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: their own bond and finding their own self love. So

852
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: of course there's going to be a threat to society

853
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: that sees women as as people that need to be

854
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: dependent on men.

855
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, thanks for joining Lena Waite. Then we

856
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: are going to continue, so please join us later in

857
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: the week for part two with Lena Waite. Wonderful as

858
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: always