Speaker 1: Crime. Hello social sleuths, and welcome to a whole new
Speaker 1: year for crime, and the only resolutions we have today
Speaker 1: will be for court cases from last year, So new year,
Speaker 1: old crime, but we will get to new crimes soon,
Speaker 1: you guys. Today we're gonna be discussing the much anticipated
Speaker 1: rulings for three high profile cases Galline Maxwell, Elizabeth Holmes,
Speaker 1: and Kim Potter, as well as a change in sentencing
Speaker 1: for a truck driver who has given a hundred and
Speaker 1: ten years in prison. And lastly, some new possibilities in
Speaker 1: the John Benet Ramsey case which we never thought we'd
Speaker 1: see the day. And also my favorite case of the
Speaker 1: day is who stole Teddy's iPhone in Aspen. Guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to real time crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I'm
Speaker 1: with my wonderful co host Hetty Mellencamp and sometimes did
Speaker 1: me Tree. I sometimes good to see you guys, nice too.
Speaker 1: Can we just start with fannie pack Gate because I'm
Speaker 1: really we really need to dig into this crime, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so upset about it. The crime that you were
Speaker 1: wearing a fanny pack. That it was very it was
Speaker 1: very on trend fanny pack. It was anyway, it was
Speaker 1: very expensive anyhow, so obnoxious, but it was very cute.
Speaker 1: It was very excited. I went to a place with
Speaker 1: only humans that I personally know, private area. We were
Speaker 1: all tested, just to give everybody you know it's going
Speaker 1: to come at me for this. We do karaoke, We're
Speaker 1: all having fun. I am seen with the Fannie pack
Speaker 1: on my body the entire night up Tom I departed
Speaker 1: at We know this because my husband has a phone
Speaker 1: call into me telling me it's time for us to go.
Speaker 1: So we go. We walk from where we were and
Speaker 1: askemen to our hotel, which is not that far. We
Speaker 1: may have, you know, done some husband and wife type things.
Speaker 1: And then I fall asleep and then I wake up
Speaker 1: the next morning and the Fannie pack is gone. It's
Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. There's no Fannie pack, there is
Speaker 1: no phone, there's no nothing. And then here's the final
Speaker 1: piece of the case that really makes it a lot,
Speaker 1: is that I had the phone at a charge when
Speaker 1: I went out. I barely used the phone, which would
Speaker 1: probably take up what ten percent charge. The phone was
Speaker 1: off in the morning off. So there's a couple of
Speaker 1: things we thought were going to happen. One I left
Speaker 1: it in the restroom like maybe went to a last
Speaker 1: potty break. But that didn't happen because then I talked
Speaker 1: to the owner, went to the place, looked through everything.
Speaker 1: Not there. Two is that it would have fallen into
Speaker 1: the snow on my walk home, but I I we
Speaker 1: did my steps the next morning. Not there. However, maybe
Speaker 1: the people that come and dragged the snow pushed it
Speaker 1: in and then that's why it killed the phone and
Speaker 1: it was off. What do you guys think? I take
Speaker 1: a couple of things, karaoke in a Fannie pack? Was this? So?
Speaker 1: Is there a time travel machine in Aspen? And also
Speaker 1: husband and wife type? Yeah, I mean you guys would
Speaker 1: argued about picking up after yourselves. Question it was going
Speaker 1: to make the vet. No. I didn't nag him about
Speaker 1: who was being the kids up from school. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know something that takes around two to three minutes
Speaker 1: figured out. So you gave him a neck massage? So yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: So I gave him the neck massage. But then I
Speaker 1: was too booked up to plug in the phone and
Speaker 1: do all those things. I have a philosophy, Yes, Teddy
Speaker 1: and ted it's ed I'd just be like together, it's ted, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: Team Ted got drunk. Yeah, in between coming home from
Speaker 1: karaoke and getting home from karaoke, thought the fanny pack
Speaker 1: was still on, but fannie pack had slipped off. How
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, but when you're drunk, everything's tight. Like
Speaker 1: everything's tight, you know, Like, but I mean the lengths
Speaker 1: that I went. I even called the police department, reported missing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here? Is it possible?
Speaker 1: What did they say? Is there any video footage? Stores
Speaker 1: like to see if anything walking? I went to the
Speaker 1: front desk of the hotel I was staying to see
Speaker 1: see my entering, like the levels. I went to to
Speaker 1: find this because not only was my phone in there,
Speaker 1: but my phone is also my wallet. So I had
Speaker 1: my VAX card, all my credit cards, my license to
Speaker 1: get home, all the things. And are there any credit
Speaker 1: card charges? None? It's probably somewhere in your we love.
Speaker 1: Are you sure you're not wearing it? Did you look down?
Speaker 1: It's not on right now? And I bribed my kids.
Speaker 1: I said that each paid them a hundred dollars each
Speaker 1: if they could find the Fannie pack. Hilarious, impossible. I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have heard the police when you
Speaker 1: called the report you're missing fanny pack. But is it
Speaker 1: possible that your husband doesn't like the fanny pack? I
Speaker 1: thought you were taking your stuff out of it and
Speaker 1: like threw it out. Absolutely not, because what he had
Speaker 1: to go through during the hours in which I had
Speaker 1: zero phone and now I have Cruise's baby little phone here. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it to him. He would have just
Speaker 1: had handed over. Okay, So did you see footage of
Speaker 1: yourself at the hotel walking in with the Fannie pack. No.
Speaker 1: They were like, we can't, We're not pulling this out.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like I was. I walked
Speaker 1: by the outside to go to and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I found a Fannie pac Man. Judge Leah rules this
Speaker 1: uh fanny pack left in the snow in the mean
Speaker 1: streets of Aspen. Go back in the summertime, just as
Speaker 1: the snows melting in there. It'll be well. The other
Speaker 1: crime is that why would Apple or whoever it is
Speaker 1: take this long to send me a new one. I'm
Speaker 1: not like eight days out. Another girlfriend of mine just
Speaker 1: ordered her phone and she was like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: weird I didn't get it yet. This was yesterday and
Speaker 1: then she checked the tracking and it was delivered five
Speaker 1: days ago and signed for by someone who does live
Speaker 1: at her house. So you've got to be careful when
Speaker 1: the package arrives, by the way, you should be tracking it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of packages arriving, Speaking of packages arriving, the Potito
Speaker 1: parents have found like a petition. Wait, I'm so sorry, Teddy,
Speaker 1: so we got to talk about your crime, but we
Speaker 1: didn't get to talk about I'm sorry. I do sound
Speaker 1: such a good transition that I like, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to miss out on the opportunity speaking of you know,
Speaker 1: I'll let you use this exact same segue in a second. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say one line, speaking of packages arriving,
Speaker 1: Leah might be dating someone. It's a crime that you
Speaker 1: haven't told us. I realized that I don't have my
Speaker 1: regular phone number, but I know, I just wanted you
Speaker 1: guys to have authentic reactions when I told you. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm really upset that both of you gasped and that
Speaker 1: hold on. But I need to know something. This is
Speaker 1: very important. Does he have a head shot? What he
Speaker 1: hates Instagram? No, I didn't say does he have Instagram?
Speaker 1: I said, does he have a head shot. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's not an in front of the camera personality, so
Speaker 1: he's behind the camera. So he works in entertainment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a true investigator. I'm more concerned
Speaker 1: that your segue to this was don't you want to
Speaker 1: hear about my crime? Lee is not the Segway person.
Speaker 1: It's me. That's my job here. He gets to sing
Speaker 1: the crime song at the end. I get to do.
Speaker 1: Do you think we should move on to real crimes
Speaker 1: or each other? We had we had like a week
Speaker 1: off and we needed to catch up on all the things.
Speaker 1: You better send me his picture. Oh you know, I'm
Speaker 1: texting you immediately after this texting on the new number
Speaker 1: feels left out, That's fine, you have all right? Can
Speaker 1: we get into Brian lounge? Because we thought we were
Speaker 1: done with him? But I'm real interested. All right, tell
Speaker 1: us what you got? Teddy? Okay. So Brian Laundry's parents
Speaker 1: want the FBI to hand over his notebook and his
Speaker 1: parents have asked the FBI to hand it over they
Speaker 1: found that was found near the skeletal remains, the attorney says,
Speaker 1: and had been hoped that the notebook, which was submerged
Speaker 1: underwater for weeks in a dry bag may yield clues
Speaker 1: about the death of Laundry's girlfriend, Gabby Petito. Steve, our
Speaker 1: favorite lawyer, told The Independent that Chris and Roberta are
Speaker 1: trying to recover the notebook as part of a formal
Speaker 1: proceeding to administer their late son's estate. Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: my problem with this one. This is still an ongoing
Speaker 1: investigation too. Where's the van? What's the update the last
Speaker 1: I heard that that is at the FBI. That's part
Speaker 1: of it. And also, before they get that notebook, the
Speaker 1: Potito should at least be able to get Gabby's belongings back,
Speaker 1: which they have not been able to get from the Laundries.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's so odd that the only
Speaker 1: thing that can help them carry out the proceedings and
Speaker 1: finish their son's estate is this notebook. Yeah, what does
Speaker 1: he have in there? There's a part of me that's
Speaker 1: they're like, um, can you guys just not get to
Speaker 1: the final page. Make sure you read from the front.
Speaker 1: But if you don't finish, we'll take it back. I know.
Speaker 1: I just there's they're not in a position to be
Speaker 1: asking the FBI for anything. Oh, I asked them for stuff.
Speaker 1: They sat on their hands, well we think they sat
Speaker 1: in their hands, well, the hand that they were feeding
Speaker 1: into the garden. Correct where Ryan still hiding allegedly, But Aslee,
Speaker 1: what what are they trying to figure out? The things
Speaker 1: he owns, what his last will and testament? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I think it's a control thing,
Speaker 1: and I think that there was maybe something in there
Speaker 1: and they want to make sure that there was. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like the clock is always ticking. Well, what
Speaker 1: about how this hasn't even been formally connected. What about
Speaker 1: the Gabby's death hasn't even been formally connected to Brian yet?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that this is one of those cases,
Speaker 1: much like the o J case, where no one will
Speaker 1: ever think that it was not Brian, Like everyone will
Speaker 1: always think it's o J, whether or not he's publicly guilty,
Speaker 1: and of course he did lose the civil suit, but
Speaker 1: publicly he's free. So I have a feeling it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. I think him committing suicide made it easier
Speaker 1: for people to not be able to connect the two
Speaker 1: because there was no questioning. But I mean, I still
Speaker 1: think he killed the other two women as well. Allegedly.
Speaker 1: I fall into that too, because there was over the break,
Speaker 1: there was a couple of reports. There was one that
Speaker 1: they had played pool together the girls. What we missed us?
Speaker 1: He was too busy losing my phone and I was
Speaker 1: too busy dating. That's gonna take up some time. You
Speaker 1: got some got some stuff to catch up. And I
Speaker 1: understand packages were delivered Dmitri. Gosh. There was a there
Speaker 1: was a report that they had perhaps played pool with
Speaker 1: those two girls in that bar, and so in my mind,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so that maybe they got in
Speaker 1: a fight, then he did something to them or something
Speaker 1: like that, and Gabby got upset and was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say something. And then this thing's just unarrival.
Speaker 1: You know, when you commit a rhyme and someone else
Speaker 1: knows and I don't. I don't know. I've never a
Speaker 1: minute a crime. You lost your Fannie Peck. You're a
Speaker 1: Fannie Peck. Yeah, I think that you are the crimer,
Speaker 1: the crimer. It's amazing what we've all. We've gone a
Speaker 1: little while since we've been gone, all right, I've clearly
Speaker 1: gained brain cells since then. So but the other exciting news,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us about Gilaine Oh, convicted baby
Speaker 1: of federal sex trafficking charges for role in Jeffrey Epstein's abuses.
Speaker 1: Let me just say I did not think i'd see
Speaker 1: the day that this title would be real. I know
Speaker 1: it's thought that she would get out of this somehow.
Speaker 1: Anyone else well I I the fact that she give
Speaker 1: any names in order to get a lighter sentence was
Speaker 1: slightly surprising to me, But then also not because she's one, well,
Speaker 1: not yet. I don't think she's going to I don't
Speaker 1: really think she doesn't want to get accidentally murdered. I
Speaker 1: I think that she would like for the security guards
Speaker 1: near her to not be conveniently napping. So I think
Speaker 1: that she's probably maybe that's the only reason she hasn't
Speaker 1: talked yet. But in good news for her, her lawyer
Speaker 1: confirmed she could get the COVID booster before going and
Speaker 1: back into the How nice. Okay, So here's what happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: British socialite Lane Maxwell. You already know how obsessed we've
Speaker 1: been with this case and surprisingly how little media attention
Speaker 1: and coverage there has been around it. She was finally
Speaker 1: convicted Wednesday of five federal sex trafficking charges after a
Speaker 1: jury concluded that she did play a pivotal part in
Speaker 1: recruiting and grooming teenage girls to be sexually abused by
Speaker 1: her close confidant, the wealthy financer Jeffrey Epstein. She was
Speaker 1: found guilty of five of the six federal accounts she
Speaker 1: was charged with and faces up to sixty five years
Speaker 1: in prison. So this is why I think that she
Speaker 1: hasn't spoken yet. The judge has not yet set a
Speaker 1: sentencing date, so I think that there's still time for
Speaker 1: some sort of deal. But okay, that's just speculation on
Speaker 1: my end. Ever, a few names, every name she gives,
Speaker 1: take her like two years off. I mean she'd have
Speaker 1: she'd she'd be negative years in jail. Then the list
Speaker 1: is so long. I don't think she's going to give
Speaker 1: up names. I think that she prides herself on having
Speaker 1: these high end relationships with people, and I think she
Speaker 1: will she'd rather I don't know, because it's not like
Speaker 1: that will do anything for her. She wrots in jail.
Speaker 1: I mean, the list is so long, it's gonna go far.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's going to pull out like a CBS receipt.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Sir Isaac Newton. It's like, what
Speaker 1: these people at the same time period, but while she
Speaker 1: was in jail, her husband dumped her. Oh wait, yoga teacher.
Speaker 1: I love by the way, love love love that they
Speaker 1: felt the need to let us know by a yoga teacher,
Speaker 1: because it's like adding insult to injury. It's like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's by someone who's super flexicle. So you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we got it. Can you just say father,
Speaker 1: I mean not father? Oh my god, this is a
Speaker 1: child show. I mean, is it a child show? I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. Obviously not. It couldn't be less appropriate, less
Speaker 1: appropriate than than her crimes. She was convicted of conspiracy
Speaker 1: to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal
Speaker 1: sex acts, conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent
Speaker 1: to engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with
Speaker 1: the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, conspiracy to
Speaker 1: commit sex trafficking of miners, and sex trafficking of miners.
Speaker 1: She was not found guilty getting over COVID thank you.
Speaker 1: Of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal
Speaker 1: sex acts. I don't know how that's odd, um so
Speaker 1: I guess they wanted to go willingly, which carried a
Speaker 1: five year sentence, so she would have been in prison
Speaker 1: for seventy years. And as the verdict was read, apparently
Speaker 1: she didn't even look behind her, and she just poured
Speaker 1: herself a cup of water and drink it and kind
Speaker 1: of talked with one of her attorneys, and you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, she asked if she get the COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen booster. She only looked back at her siblings who
Speaker 1: sat in the front row before she was led away,
Speaker 1: and one of the victims, Virginia, she did not step forward.
Speaker 1: Um she wasn't she wasn't named in the case, but
Speaker 1: she did step forward early on, and I think that
Speaker 1: she was stated saying that she will remember this day always,
Speaker 1: and finally there was some sort of justice about all
Speaker 1: the young women who suffered at her hands, in whose
Speaker 1: lives she destroyed. So they know that Maxwell did not
Speaker 1: act alone. They're hoping that others will be held accountable.
Speaker 1: And I guess we will just see how this plays out.
Speaker 1: But this was a really long road, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know how this is going to
Speaker 1: play out. It makes me nervous, honestly, And do you
Speaker 1: guys think that she so her secret husband, the one
Speaker 1: that it didn't emerge until court papers in that they
Speaker 1: were married. Do you think she gave him all that
Speaker 1: money because remember he tried to free her with they
Speaker 1: at point five million dollar bailed package, very casual amount
Speaker 1: of money. That's yeah, you know what if if my
Speaker 1: secret husband doesn't have it like that, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to marry him in secret. Um. I love this this
Speaker 1: this quote though, which Um, she has been behind bars
Speaker 1: for five nine days now. It has put a terrible
Speaker 1: strain on the marriage the inside. You think, what about
Speaker 1: the charges? Yeah, what about try sixty five years in jail?
Speaker 1: Would that put some strain on their marriage? That's why
Speaker 1: you think she's gotta she's gotta cough something up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not satisfied, like I'm satisfied that that she's been
Speaker 1: found guilty, But to me, that's the first step. If
Speaker 1: this doesn't go further down and more people that committed
Speaker 1: these crimes, you know, come to come to light, then
Speaker 1: it's it's not a success. But sorry, I just feel
Speaker 1: like they're letting us know what's important to her secret
Speaker 1: husband because they identify fight she'd been behind bars for
Speaker 1: five and forty nine days and to put a terrible
Speaker 1: strand in the marriage. It's like he's just drawing little
Speaker 1: lines on a board, counting it every single day she's
Speaker 1: not there. And then they made it clear that he's
Speaker 1: now with a yoga instructor. It's like, we get it,
Speaker 1: we get what's important in the relationship, but she Do
Speaker 1: you think that her husband should be guilty by association?
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that we don't know how much
Speaker 1: he knew or did not know. Did she hide all
Speaker 1: of her secrets from him? Why did he wait to
Speaker 1: break off the marriage that he want to see if
Speaker 1: she could get off because if she could, then they
Speaker 1: would continue their marriage happily or whatever. Did he actually
Speaker 1: have no idea and once he found out she was
Speaker 1: this monster, he didn't want to be with her. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we will stay tuned and we'll
Speaker 1: keep you guys updated as we find out additional information.
Speaker 1: If what's your take? Do you feel like he's guilty
Speaker 1: by association? Do you feel like he knew? I feel
Speaker 1: like if he ended up with her, remember she was
Speaker 1: like giving those ted talks and that's where they met
Speaker 1: when she was working with that big company, and he
Speaker 1: ended up leaving his wife for her, allegedly. And I
Speaker 1: think my guess is he probably had an idea that
Speaker 1: things weren't on the up and up, but he had
Speaker 1: no idea the magnitude of how bad things were, because remember,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had already gotten in trouble. But what I've
Speaker 1: also learned is Glene appears to be a quite a
Speaker 1: good liar and quite a good manipulator. So maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't until things got real with her going to jail
Speaker 1: and everything that he started realizing, Wow, potentially married a monster. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what that kind of feels. It kind of
Speaker 1: checks out because it feels a little bit like a succession.
Speaker 1: The relationship between Shiv and Tom. I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: so I can not pretend if you'd like. Thanks sometimes, Dmitri, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm familiar. I like to think he's not as big
Speaker 1: a moron as Tom, but who knows. You just don't
Speaker 1: know some people, you know anyway? All right, um, teddy,
Speaker 1: we're waiting for an amazing segue. Well, in that sentence,
Speaker 1: another sentence was changed. Oh my god, she does it again.
Speaker 1: Truck drivers sentence reduced from a hundred and ten years
Speaker 1: to ten by Colorado governor and fatal crash. Colorado Governor
Speaker 1: Jared pull Us on Thursday commuted, let me try and
Speaker 1: then you got it. You got this college. I know
Speaker 1: it's the reading part um. Colorado Governor Jared pull Us
Speaker 1: on Thursday commuted the prison term of a truck driver
Speaker 1: who was sentenced to a hundred and ten years after
Speaker 1: a fatal accident in two thousand nineteen, reducing the sentence
Speaker 1: to ten years. I know we talked about this last episode,
Speaker 1: but Roguel Aguilera Madros killed four people on April two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen after he said his break failed on the
Speaker 1: downhill grade on Interstate Interstate seventy eastbound outside Denver. Prosecute
Speaker 1: argued that he acted recklessly and made a series of
Speaker 1: poor decisions before the wreck. Police reduced his sentence by
Speaker 1: a hundred years, saying in the letter Thursday that the
Speaker 1: life sentence was inappropriate for a tragic but unintentional act.
Speaker 1: While you are not blameless, your sentence is disproportionate compared
Speaker 1: with many other inmates and our criminal justice system who
Speaker 1: committed intentional, premeditated or violent crimes. I really never thought
Speaker 1: i'd see the day. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: spoke out on this, and I think that that is
Speaker 1: what helps when people are speaking out. When I mean
Speaker 1: all of those truck drivers coming forward saying they weren't
Speaker 1: even gonna take that route. Um. One of the main
Speaker 1: questions is do you guys think it should be less
Speaker 1: than ten years or do you think ten years is
Speaker 1: fair reasonable? I think four people were killed car crash
Speaker 1: and he was speeding, so I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a downhill speed situation, but he was speeding. I
Speaker 1: think he was going eighty five or something, which apparently
Speaker 1: truck drivers are only allowed to go forty five on
Speaker 1: the UM. Yeah, in that area. And there's a part
Speaker 1: of me that thinks he was a little reckless. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't know why he was speeding like that. He
Speaker 1: was reckless. And and while I think it's clear from
Speaker 1: watching the videos his heart is in pain and he
Speaker 1: really did not mean to commit these murders, it's like
Speaker 1: it's still happened. It's hard because it's clear he's not
Speaker 1: a murderer. You know, he didn't like plot people's for something.
Speaker 1: But but it did happen. But it did happen, and
Speaker 1: it was a massive tragedy for people's lives were taken.
Speaker 1: It appears the family there is at least one family
Speaker 1: that agrees that the sentence should have been shorter. I
Speaker 1: think that he can still live a full life. He's
Speaker 1: only twenty six years old. He'll be thirty six when
Speaker 1: he gets out. They'll probably even less than the sentence
Speaker 1: more let's and he's still going to be able to
Speaker 1: raise his child, you know, like he has the opportunity
Speaker 1: to continue living where the people in the accident that
Speaker 1: died are not. So I think it may for good
Speaker 1: behavior if he goes in. I imagine he'll be out
Speaker 1: in less than ten years. And that's a heck of
Speaker 1: a lot better than and that's that. But are we
Speaker 1: gonna agree on Kim Potter guilty of manslaughter? But you
Speaker 1: should probably tell everybody about this. So Kim Potter was
Speaker 1: found guilty of manslaughter, and Dante writes death and everyone
Speaker 1: was waiting on this trial. This was another big trial
Speaker 1: that everyone was waiting for the resolution on. So in
Speaker 1: case you don't know about the case, a suburban Minneapolis
Speaker 1: police officer ak Kim Potter said she was confused by
Speaker 1: which side her handgun was on, so she confused her
Speaker 1: handgun for her taser, although her handgun was already in
Speaker 1: her hand at the time it happened. Um. And she
Speaker 1: was finally convicted of manslaughter Thursday. And I mean essentially
Speaker 1: what happened was it was a traffic stop. There was
Speaker 1: an altarction, um. And now she faces about seven years
Speaker 1: in prison under the state's sentencing guidelines, and prosecutors are
Speaker 1: saying that they are going to seek a longer term.
Speaker 1: She's being held without bail and the pending sentence is
Speaker 1: going to happen on February. She had been free on
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars bond posted like in April and
Speaker 1: when she was charged and she was three. She was
Speaker 1: free three days after she killed him, and a day
Speaker 1: after she quit the police force. So as I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the story, by the way, I'm remembering what it
Speaker 1: felt like to be present when this was happening in
Speaker 1: real time, and I remember how heartbreaking it was because
Speaker 1: before there were all the facts everyone was talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, how could you, as a longtime officer forget
Speaker 1: which side your taser is on and which side your
Speaker 1: gun is on your train for so long to know
Speaker 1: the way of each which side each is on, so
Speaker 1: you don't make fatal mistakes like this. And I remember
Speaker 1: waiting to find out and hear that she actually was
Speaker 1: holding her gun and it was pointed at him. So
Speaker 1: for her to say that she, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I mistook my gun for my taser. It's
Speaker 1: like you don't shoot a taser. Well, she was yelling taser, taser.
Speaker 1: I mean, even her testimony and where she kind of
Speaker 1: breaks down all of it. I was looking for a
Speaker 1: cheer to drop. Yeah, she doesn't want to go to jail,
Speaker 1: but she even said in the moment, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go to jail. Right, she knew she was going to
Speaker 1: go to jail. I mean I googled. I googled, I
Speaker 1: googled what a taser looks like, what some tasers look
Speaker 1: like versus guns. Also, I mean, I've never I don't
Speaker 1: have a taser. I don't have a gun. I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I mean some tasers are in the same shape
Speaker 1: as a gun. However, if this is your job and
Speaker 1: your I could decipher the difference in a picture. So
Speaker 1: this is your job and something you've been trained to do.
Speaker 1: Unless you are so beyond deathly frightened. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how you could make that mistake. And there was
Speaker 1: no reason to be frightened in this because she he
Speaker 1: was just trying to get away. He wasn't trying to right,
Speaker 1: And then she tried to say that the other police
Speaker 1: officer looked afraid. I was like, no, he didn't let
Speaker 1: me ask you guys, this is it a matter of
Speaker 1: she just got she got confused and shot and heated
Speaker 1: in the moment. Is that the thing? Or did she
Speaker 1: shoot him and then realized later, oh, I gotta come
Speaker 1: up with an excuse, and came up with a taser excuse.
Speaker 1: It feels like it happened so fast, and she didn't
Speaker 1: mean to shoot the gun like she she meant to
Speaker 1: shoot it, obviously. I don't think she meant to kill him.
Speaker 1: But then the second she realized she killed him and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, no, it's my taser. I meant I
Speaker 1: thought it was a taser. Yeah, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: also you don't shoot a taser, you know, don't you
Speaker 1: well know, there's I looked this up. So there's some
Speaker 1: tasers that are like this, like like this with like
Speaker 1: two little things. And then there's some chasers that look
Speaker 1: like a gun. Yeah, but then do you shoot it
Speaker 1: and it has ranged to hit something and the hangover
Speaker 1: when what's shot him? And it came out on like
Speaker 1: a cord and it's stuck to him, and then he
Speaker 1: just kind of pumped the There are shooting types, all right,
Speaker 1: I take it back. Well, maybe you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't think about a taser. All I know
Speaker 1: is that we need to make a transition, and you
Speaker 1: guys are making it very difficult for me. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to keep us on track here, and I only think
Speaker 1: it's fair that I'm gonna gip the transition and get
Speaker 1: right into it. I don't think I should cover the
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes recap. I think it needs to be used.
Speaker 1: Since you embody her in so many ways, why do
Speaker 1: you think it needs to be me. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I was found guilty on four out of eleven federal charges.
Speaker 1: I didn't even do anything wrong besides fool everyone and
Speaker 1: steal all their money. So yeah, that's what happened, Elizabeth, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: we didn't know special guest, Elizabeth Holmes, that's this week.
Speaker 1: Unlike Gallen Maxwell, my husband didn't leave me just because
Speaker 1: I was guilty. He had a baby listening, Okay. Elizabeth Holmes,
Speaker 1: former CEO and founder of failed the blood testing startup Thearapis,
Speaker 1: was found guilty on four charges of defrauding investors, capping
Speaker 1: off the stunning downfall of a former tech icon icon.
Speaker 1: She was found not guilty on three charges concerning defrauding
Speaker 1: patients and one chars of conspiracy to defraud patients. The
Speaker 1: jury returned no verdict on three of the charges concerning
Speaker 1: defrauding investors, and the judge who was presiding over this
Speaker 1: case is expected to declare a mistrial on those charges.
Speaker 1: We'll see. So the charges that she was found guilty
Speaker 1: of were one count of conspiracy to defraud investors as
Speaker 1: well as three wire fraud counts tied to specific investors,
Speaker 1: and she faces up to twenty years in prison as
Speaker 1: well as a find of t K plus restitution for
Speaker 1: each count. So she left hand in hand with her partner,
Speaker 1: Billy Evans. Also, I just wanted to go back. Glen
Speaker 1: Maxwell's secret husband never came to even one day of
Speaker 1: her trial. M Yeah, back to Elizabeth Holmes. So she
Speaker 1: left hand in hand with Billy Evans, her mom and
Speaker 1: her dad were there. She was part of a fifteen
Speaker 1: week trial. It was a really complicated case, and they
Speaker 1: read the statement out loud the courthouse by a spokesperson,
Speaker 1: and they let everyone know that she was guilty in
Speaker 1: a large scale investor fraud and she will definitely be
Speaker 1: sentenced for her crimes. So the jury of eight men
Speaker 1: and four women determined that she was guilty on accounts
Speaker 1: pertaining to investors, but none of the accounts that pertained
Speaker 1: to defrauding patients. So that's interesting because that lets us
Speaker 1: know that they actually genuinely believed she didn't know the
Speaker 1: technology was failing, but she did mislead people in investing
Speaker 1: in a product that was failing. So maybe it's they
Speaker 1: don't realize she didn't realize the magnitude in which it
Speaker 1: was failing. But when you hear all of the people
Speaker 1: that worked with the product what they said, they repeatedly
Speaker 1: would go to her. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of odd. I mean, the jury, you know, was
Speaker 1: reached a standstill on a couple of those counts. And
Speaker 1: I think it was a really difficult case for a
Speaker 1: lot of people because it was so complicated and complex
Speaker 1: and she's very convincing, and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: parts to this case, But I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: what they were tasked with determining was whether she was
Speaker 1: this well meaning founder who made mistakes as she built
Speaker 1: her little startup that became a huge startup, or whether
Speaker 1: she intentionally deceived investors and patients in order to help
Speaker 1: herself and her company succeed. So, I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you guys think. Well, we haven't gotten how long
Speaker 1: she's going to be correct. I think it was twenty years,
Speaker 1: but not I think that's estimated. Yeah. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I think at at least she's getting something. You know,
Speaker 1: for a while I was worried that she wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be held accountable for any of her actions. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think this is a start. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: think she's one that's gonna really go back and like
Speaker 1: think about what she did. Like she doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have that remorse or anything like that. But we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see how long the sensing is,
Speaker 1: see what ends up going on with her husband. I mean,
Speaker 1: and the sad part is that she does have a child,
Speaker 1: and you know that's gonna be a hard thing for
Speaker 1: the child to grow up knowing. M Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: have to take a little break and then we come
Speaker 1: back to talk about John Bennett. I can't wait. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we are back. I was the one who said,
Speaker 1: I really want to talk about the John Benet Ramsey case.
Speaker 1: I am. I have been obsessed with this case for years,
Speaker 1: for years, but I have to say that looking back
Speaker 1: into it now as an adult versus when I saw
Speaker 1: it all over the news stands as a kid, it's
Speaker 1: so different. So those of you who don't know, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure big majority of you do. John Benet Ramsey
Speaker 1: was an American child beauty queen who was killed at
Speaker 1: the age of six and her family's home in Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 1: A long, handwritten ransom note was found in the home.
Speaker 1: Her father, John found her body in the basement of
Speaker 1: their house about seven hours after she had been reported missing.
Speaker 1: She had sustained a broken skull from a blow to
Speaker 1: the head and had been strangled. Grew up garrotte garrot
Speaker 1: What is it? I think we're just gonna pass on
Speaker 1: the pronunciation. Okay, we're gonna pass on the producture was
Speaker 1: found tied around her neck. The autopsy reports stated that
Speaker 1: John Bennet's official cause of death was asphyxia by strangulation
Speaker 1: associated by cranio cerebral trauma. Her death was ruled a homicide.
Speaker 1: The crime is still unsolved and remains an open investigation
Speaker 1: with the Boulder Police Department. Nineteen six December twenty three,
Speaker 1: Ramsey's host a Christmas party at their Boulder house. About
Speaker 1: thirty people attend, so a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: house getting their DNA everywhere. On December, the Ramsey's family
Speaker 1: attends a Christmas party with family friends outside of the home.
Speaker 1: After they get home, they put John Bonet to bed
Speaker 1: and this is the last time she was seen. Five
Speaker 1: fifty two am, Patsy calls the police to report her daughter,
Speaker 1: John Benet has been kidnapped. She claims to have found
Speaker 1: a ransom note on the stairs that she was getting up.
Speaker 1: Six am police arrive at the Ramsey home. Officers conduct
Speaker 1: us search where they do not find Jean Benet. Then
Speaker 1: another police officer arrives and has the father go search apart,
Speaker 1: which is sooth the family friend. With the family friend
Speaker 1: who was at the party, they go down to search
Speaker 1: and where's the first place they go to the basement. Also,
Speaker 1: the first police officer that came in walked right to
Speaker 1: the door of in front of where she was being,
Speaker 1: where she was, where her body was, didn't open it,
Speaker 1: and then turned away and went back upstairs. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean to continue on so many things. Um. December, the
Speaker 1: County Corner determines John Benett died from asphyxiation. Her death
Speaker 1: is the first officially ruled a homicide. On decem investigators
Speaker 1: announced that they have taken hair and blood samples from
Speaker 1: John and Patsy. They also announced John John Benet's adult
Speaker 1: have siblings are out of town during the murder. So
Speaker 1: after the police officer was like, go hunt for your
Speaker 1: own daughter in your own house, which already is odd. Um,
Speaker 1: they then tampered with all of the crime scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they picked her up, picked her up and brought her
Speaker 1: upstairs and covered her with a sheet, and it's like
Speaker 1: already okay, go on, multiple people touch her, It's all right.
Speaker 1: January three, investigators proclaimed the ransom note found by Patsy
Speaker 1: was written after the killer arrived at the Ramsey home
Speaker 1: because it appeared to be from the notepad at the house.
Speaker 1: It's also a very long ransom note, and some words
Speaker 1: are misspelled and some aren't. So which is by some
Speaker 1: words I mean the exact same words like business is
Speaker 1: spelled wrong ones and correct ones, like there are words
Speaker 1: that I repeatedly spelled wrong, like don't judge like your um, honestly,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm judging. Yeah, you said not to judge.
Speaker 1: But but like business, you either know how to spell
Speaker 1: it or you don't. Don't misspell it at the beginning
Speaker 1: in So that's a state of panic, right. And also
Speaker 1: they later found a note that there was someone who
Speaker 1: had practiced writing the note correct um. Then February thirteen,
Speaker 1: District Attorney Alex Hunter announces that they formed an expert
Speaker 1: prosecution tax force, vowing to bring the killer to justice.
Speaker 1: Forensic expert Henry Lee and DNA spashals berry Check both
Speaker 1: involved in the O. J. Simpson defense team. So they're
Speaker 1: never going to bring the murderer to light. Yeah. March seven,
Speaker 1: according to the handwriting analysis, John Ramsey did not write
Speaker 1: the ransom note found in the home. The same analysis
Speaker 1: did not rule out Patsy. On April nineteen, one of
Speaker 1: the investigators working on the case officially named John Bennett's
Speaker 1: parents as possible suspects. April thirty, investigators conduct long waited
Speaker 1: formal interviews with both John and Patsy Ramsey. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stop here for a second because something I didn't realize
Speaker 1: until now is that in the media anytime, I mean,
Speaker 1: this was on the cover of every magazine constantly when
Speaker 1: this was going on, the magazines came forward and said,
Speaker 1: or somebody came forward and said, let me repeat this.
Speaker 1: It was found out that the magazines were sold more
Speaker 1: any time they said that. The parents didn't. So they're
Speaker 1: saying that part of this maybe a news media, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of circus, and the media just kept driving one
Speaker 1: storyline because they wanted to drive sales in their magazine,
Speaker 1: not necessarily what was going on. Because I remember when
Speaker 1: I was younger a thinking it was the parents, and
Speaker 1: then I thought it was the brother. So the Ramseys
Speaker 1: are again interviewed. This time is kind of like the
Speaker 1: Amanda Knox case, where it's like they just wanted to
Speaker 1: believe it was her even if it absolutely was not right.
Speaker 1: So then they interviewed the brother, Burke Um and then
Speaker 1: later on, like years past, he goes on and does
Speaker 1: a Doctor Phil special, which did you guys see it. Okay, look,
Speaker 1: this is again kind of like the Amanda Knox situation.
Speaker 1: He seemed to be unbothered. He was like kind of smiling.
Speaker 1: I just think either a, if he's not guilty, that
Speaker 1: he was numb to all of it. It had been
Speaker 1: so long and it's like how many times can you
Speaker 1: produce tears and you just it's like so much time
Speaker 1: had passed, and maybe he's just been through the ringer
Speaker 1: and he's like whatever, b he's uh like just kind
Speaker 1: of unwell, like he's an awkward, uncomfortable person, and that
Speaker 1: was just like an uncomfortable face. Like I know that
Speaker 1: when I get uncomfortable, I laugh and it's like time
Speaker 1: like brand that's something ill. So that's my excuse. What's his? Well?
Speaker 1: My son sometimes like when he doesn't know what to do,
Speaker 1: or he like smiles like he's like so maybe that's
Speaker 1: what was happening. We don't really know, but it was.
Speaker 1: The other option is that he's guilty and that he's
Speaker 1: right because of the pineapples. Yes, okay, but either way,
Speaker 1: John Bennet's brother ends up filing a In December of
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, John Benny's brother files a seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollar lawsuit against CBS, a production company
Speaker 1: and seven investigators involved in a TV special that aired
Speaker 1: in September that accused him of killing a sister, and
Speaker 1: uh he reaches a settlement. The current update is twenty
Speaker 1: five years after John Bennet Ramsey's killing. Investigators have tested
Speaker 1: almost one thousand DNA samples. In a statement marking the
Speaker 1: twenty five anniversary of the murder, Boulder Police said they
Speaker 1: actively use new technology to enhance the investigation and checked
Speaker 1: regularly for DNA matches in order to solve this case. So,
Speaker 1: thanks to huge advances in the DNA technology, multiple suspects
Speaker 1: have been through the system to check for matches and
Speaker 1: as updated, over seven fifty referenced samples with the latest
Speaker 1: d A technology. The Volder Police Department works closely with
Speaker 1: cb I and future DNA advancements. So that leads me
Speaker 1: to believe that they found d n A that was
Speaker 1: not anybody else's not the parents, not the brother, not
Speaker 1: the family, friend or whatever. Right, so they must have
Speaker 1: some sort of d n A that they're trying to
Speaker 1: match to somebody. Well, so they went back and forth
Speaker 1: on it. You remember this this like like I'm sure
Speaker 1: that there's new evidence present because of the technology. But
Speaker 1: they went back and forth. They first said no one
Speaker 1: in the family committed it because they found DNA in
Speaker 1: her underwear. That because they also thought that she was
Speaker 1: sexually abused before she was murdered or after or somewhere
Speaker 1: in there. Um, they were saying that there was DNA
Speaker 1: in her underwear that was not from the family and
Speaker 1: from not from the family, right, And so they apologized
Speaker 1: to the family, saying, oh, we're so sorry that we
Speaker 1: blamed you. Um, you're all pardon And then they tested
Speaker 1: a bunch of other underwear from the same company and
Speaker 1: found that there was traces of DNA in all of
Speaker 1: the underwear, even when it was prepackaged. So I know,
Speaker 1: so then they said never mind, you might still be
Speaker 1: on the hook. But then they came back. So it's
Speaker 1: so there's always this new DNA question. And I was
Speaker 1: really in the Glenn Meyer theory. Teddy, were you there.
Speaker 1: I was partially with the Glenn Meyer but then especially
Speaker 1: because as he was dying and had dementia, he would
Speaker 1: just make a shrine to her. But there's honestly, like
Speaker 1: twenty men that did that. There's the photographer, there's Santa
Speaker 1: there's like, I mean, it's unbelievable. And then Jehn Mark Carr,
Speaker 1: who was actually arrested. Yeah, so wasn't he let off
Speaker 1: because he actually was found that he wasn't even in Colorado,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean also things like loose
Speaker 1: Smit said he was the like the head investigator originally
Speaker 1: had never lost a case or something like that. Um,
Speaker 1: he said that they said, in order for somebody to
Speaker 1: get through that little window in the crate and all
Speaker 1: of that, they would have had to be technically like
Speaker 1: a small person, and he was like a tall, grown
Speaker 1: man able to get in and out. I watched the
Speaker 1: video of it happening. I just think there's so many
Speaker 1: inconsistencies in the story and what we were originally told. Well,
Speaker 1: we were also told that Burke was sleeping at the
Speaker 1: time of the nine one one call, and there was
Speaker 1: also another mysterious nine one one call from the house,
Speaker 1: but they hung up earlier that earlier that night, and
Speaker 1: you know, she woke up, she was still in the
Speaker 1: same clothe she was wearing from the night before, and
Speaker 1: she was a known perfectionist, and you know, the letter
Speaker 1: specifically said do not call the police, and she immediately called.
Speaker 1: So in my mind it's like, you know that there's
Speaker 1: no real threat because you wrote the letter. But that's
Speaker 1: that's one option. The other option was that Glenn Meyer
Speaker 1: was waiting in the basement and once he heard her
Speaker 1: call nine one, he killed John Bennet. And he had
Speaker 1: a key to their house because he was renting out
Speaker 1: a room in the basement of their their friends who
Speaker 1: lived in the same neighborhood and they often walked the
Speaker 1: Ramsey's dog, and so he had a key and he
Speaker 1: knew and he had met John Bennet, but that his
Speaker 1: DNA was not found on her either. There's also the
Speaker 1: idea that it could have potentially have been the housekeeper
Speaker 1: because the housekeeper on maybe it was the day before
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, had asked for money from Patsy. Patsy said no.
Speaker 1: So they were saying, maybe she was described Aldo, this
Speaker 1: is something she and her husband had done. Nope, no
Speaker 1: DNA from them either. Um. Then they even tried to
Speaker 1: reach out to this woman's sons like it It's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's just there's so many
Speaker 1: different caveats to it. Even the fact that she had
Speaker 1: she had undigested pineapple with the only fingerprints on it
Speaker 1: that bowl were Patsy's. No, no, were Burkes. And so
Speaker 1: there's a theory that well Burke apparently hated John Bennet,
Speaker 1: especially because she was the baby and with like in
Speaker 1: her bed in, like smear poop on her presence and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and they had a huge rivalry, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a theory that perhaps they
Speaker 1: were fighting over the pineapple there's a late night snack,
Speaker 1: and he accidentally killed her. There's theories that he hit
Speaker 1: her over the head with the flashlight and didn't mean
Speaker 1: to hit her that hard. Also, the tool that was
Speaker 1: used to exphyxiate her was half of a paint brush
Speaker 1: or something that came from inside the house. Patsy Um.
Speaker 1: Patsy's paint brush was part of a handlebar to the
Speaker 1: axphyxiation tool. So I don't know, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like also a lot of people knew not
Speaker 1: a lot of people, excuse me, not a lot of
Speaker 1: people knew that the amount of the bonus that he
Speaker 1: got was add eighty thousand dollars that year for Christmas
Speaker 1: from his work. And also these are very wealthy people
Speaker 1: who are They're super affluent, and they have a lot
Speaker 1: of affluent friends, and they have a very specific community
Speaker 1: and also hold a lot of power. Um. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people were saying that this is also why
Speaker 1: a lot of the investigators quit on the case, because
Speaker 1: they felt like they were just getting so much heat
Speaker 1: for handling it poorly. The crime scene was completely contaminated
Speaker 1: because they kind of let John do whatever he haunted,
Speaker 1: and he kind of got too much of a say
Speaker 1: because he was such a powerful person allegedly. Um, the
Speaker 1: fact that the ransom note had almost the same exact
Speaker 1: amount of money he got for his bonus is also
Speaker 1: very telling that it's someone who knew. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say also in a final note on this, I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who believe that the
Speaker 1: case is too cold to actually find an answer at
Speaker 1: this point. And to those people, I say, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you guys remember the Melanie Road
Speaker 1: case in Bristol, this is like the case was solved
Speaker 1: thirty years later because of DNA advancements. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's a ton of stories that I've seen of old
Speaker 1: cold cases being solved because of DNA advancement, so it
Speaker 1: is possible. I think it's possible. I hope that the
Speaker 1: true murderer comes to light, whether or not the person
Speaker 1: is dead or alive. I just think that everyone wants
Speaker 1: an answer, just closure, resolution. Yeah, and especially I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be better sweet to find. This is the
Speaker 1: twenty five year, this is the anniversary of her death.
Speaker 1: This this holiday so heartbreaking, It's beyond heartbreaking. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's keep let's keep digging, guys. Um, I think that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all we've got. We're out, guys. I really missed y'all.
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