WEBVTT - Same Crime Next Year 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:12.800 Crime. Hello social sleuths, and welcome to a whole new 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.280 year for crime, and the only resolutions we have today 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.160 will be for court cases from last year, So new year, 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.520 old crime, but we will get to new crimes soon, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.800 you guys. Today we're gonna be discussing the much anticipated 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.960 rulings for three high profile cases Galline Maxwell, Elizabeth Holmes, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.960 and Kim Potter, as well as a change in sentencing 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:37.960 for a truck driver who has given a hundred and 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.640 ten years in prison. And lastly, some new possibilities in 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.200 the John Benet Ramsey case which we never thought we'd 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.880 see the day. And also my favorite case of the 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.880 day is who stole Teddy's iPhone in Aspen. Guys, welcome 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.080 back to real time crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I'm 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.760 with my wonderful co host Hetty Mellencamp and sometimes did 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:05.720 me Tree. I sometimes good to see you guys, nice too. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.320 Can we just start with fannie pack Gate because I'm 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.399 really we really need to dig into this crime, Okay, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.640 I'm so upset about it. The crime that you were 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.840 wearing a fanny pack. That it was very it was 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:24.039 very on trend fanny pack. It was anyway, it was 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:29.560 very expensive anyhow, so obnoxious, but it was very cute. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.000 It was very excited. I went to a place with 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.560 only humans that I personally know, private area. We were 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.240 all tested, just to give everybody you know it's going 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.400 to come at me for this. We do karaoke, We're 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.680 all having fun. I am seen with the Fannie pack 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:53.360 on my body the entire night up Tom I departed 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.880 at We know this because my husband has a phone 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.360 call into me telling me it's time for us to go. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.160 So we go. We walk from where we were and 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.320 askemen to our hotel, which is not that far. We 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.480 may have, you know, done some husband and wife type things. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.440 And then I fall asleep and then I wake up 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:21.160 the next morning and the Fannie pack is gone. It's 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.200 nowhere to be found. There's no Fannie pack, there is 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.640 no phone, there's no nothing. And then here's the final 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.280 piece of the case that really makes it a lot, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.680 is that I had the phone at a charge when 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.880 I went out. I barely used the phone, which would 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.040 probably take up what ten percent charge. The phone was 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:46.680 off in the morning off. So there's a couple of 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.679 things we thought were going to happen. One I left 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.240 it in the restroom like maybe went to a last 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.839 potty break. But that didn't happen because then I talked 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.800 to the owner, went to the place, looked through everything. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.480 Not there. Two is that it would have fallen into 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.679 the snow on my walk home, but I I we 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.080 did my steps the next morning. Not there. However, maybe 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.520 the people that come and dragged the snow pushed it 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.840 in and then that's why it killed the phone and 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.799 it was off. What do you guys think? I take 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:22.720 a couple of things, karaoke in a Fannie pack? Was this? So? 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:28.440 Is there a time travel machine in Aspen? And also 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.840 husband and wife type? Yeah, I mean you guys would 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:36.000 argued about picking up after yourselves. Question it was going 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.800 to make the vet. No. I didn't nag him about 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.880 who was being the kids up from school. I mean, 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.680 you know something that takes around two to three minutes 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:52.800 figured out. So you gave him a neck massage? So yeah, correct, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.560 So I gave him the neck massage. But then I 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.120 was too booked up to plug in the phone and 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:06.560 do all those things. I have a philosophy, Yes, Teddy 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:17.200 and ted it's ed I'd just be like together, it's ted, okay, fine, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:24.280 Team Ted got drunk. Yeah, in between coming home from 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.480 karaoke and getting home from karaoke, thought the fanny pack 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.760 was still on, but fannie pack had slipped off. How 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:40.200 it was. Yeah, but when you're drunk, everything's tight. Like 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.159 everything's tight, you know, Like, but I mean the lengths 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:50.479 that I went. I even called the police department, reported missing. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.760 I'm gonna go out on a limb here? Is it possible? 0:04:54.240 --> 0:05:00.400 What did they say? Is there any video footage? Stores 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.320 like to see if anything walking? I went to the 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.279 front desk of the hotel I was staying to see 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.560 see my entering, like the levels. I went to to 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.960 find this because not only was my phone in there, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.040 but my phone is also my wallet. So I had 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.080 my VAX card, all my credit cards, my license to 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.359 get home, all the things. And are there any credit 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:28.440 card charges? None? It's probably somewhere in your we love. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.920 Are you sure you're not wearing it? Did you look down? 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.520 It's not on right now? And I bribed my kids. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.120 I said that each paid them a hundred dollars each 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.599 if they could find the Fannie pack. Hilarious, impossible. I 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.200 would have loved to have heard the police when you 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.000 called the report you're missing fanny pack. But is it 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.200 possible that your husband doesn't like the fanny pack? I 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:51.840 thought you were taking your stuff out of it and 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.640 like threw it out. Absolutely not, because what he had 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.080 to go through during the hours in which I had 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.640 zero phone and now I have Cruise's baby little phone here. Um, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.400 it's not worth it to him. He would have just 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.240 had handed over. Okay, So did you see footage of 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.520 yourself at the hotel walking in with the Fannie pack. No. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.360 They were like, we can't, We're not pulling this out. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.799 I was like, I was like I was. I walked 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.839 by the outside to go to and they're like, okay, 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.520 I found a Fannie pac Man. Judge Leah rules this 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.680 uh fanny pack left in the snow in the mean 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.919 streets of Aspen. Go back in the summertime, just as 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.479 the snows melting in there. It'll be well. The other 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.720 crime is that why would Apple or whoever it is 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.039 take this long to send me a new one. I'm 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.760 not like eight days out. Another girlfriend of mine just 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.880 ordered her phone and she was like, oh, that's a 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.960 weird I didn't get it yet. This was yesterday and 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.560 then she checked the tracking and it was delivered five 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.320 days ago and signed for by someone who does live 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.400 at her house. So you've got to be careful when 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.440 the package arrives, by the way, you should be tracking it. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:15.680 Speaking of packages arriving, Speaking of packages arriving, the Potito 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.480 parents have found like a petition. Wait, I'm so sorry, Teddy, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.040 so we got to talk about your crime, but we 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.120 didn't get to talk about I'm sorry. I do sound 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.760 such a good transition that I like, I didn't want 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.080 to miss out on the opportunity speaking of you know, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.080 I'll let you use this exact same segue in a second. Okay, great, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.200 but I'll just say one line, speaking of packages arriving, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:43.040 Leah might be dating someone. It's a crime that you 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.200 haven't told us. I realized that I don't have my 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.200 regular phone number, but I know, I just wanted you 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.480 guys to have authentic reactions when I told you. Also, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.320 I'm really upset that both of you gasped and that 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.240 hold on. But I need to know something. This is 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:03.800 very important. Does he have a head shot? What he 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.360 hates Instagram? No, I didn't say does he have Instagram? 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.200 I said, does he have a head shot. No, No, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.960 he's not an in front of the camera personality, so 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:23.320 he's behind the camera. So he works in entertainment. Yeah, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.880 you know what, I'm a true investigator. I'm more concerned 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.480 that your segue to this was don't you want to 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:35.320 hear about my crime? Lee is not the Segway person. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.240 It's me. That's my job here. He gets to sing 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.040 the crime song at the end. I get to do. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:48.920 Do you think we should move on to real crimes 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:53.320 or each other? We had we had like a week 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.360 off and we needed to catch up on all the things. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.760 You better send me his picture. Oh you know, I'm 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.560 texting you immediately after this texting on the new number 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:08.240 feels left out, That's fine, you have all right? Can 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.600 we get into Brian lounge? Because we thought we were 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.080 done with him? But I'm real interested. All right, tell 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.280 us what you got? Teddy? Okay. So Brian Laundry's parents 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:23.080 want the FBI to hand over his notebook and his 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.640 parents have asked the FBI to hand it over they 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.840 found that was found near the skeletal remains, the attorney says, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.720 and had been hoped that the notebook, which was submerged 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.720 underwater for weeks in a dry bag may yield clues 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.280 about the death of Laundry's girlfriend, Gabby Petito. Steve, our 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.839 favorite lawyer, told The Independent that Chris and Roberta are 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.480 trying to recover the notebook as part of a formal 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:50.360 proceeding to administer their late son's estate. Okay, so here's 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.680 my problem with this one. This is still an ongoing 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:00.400 investigation too. Where's the van? What's the update the last 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.400 I heard that that is at the FBI. That's part 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.080 of it. And also, before they get that notebook, the 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.319 Potito should at least be able to get Gabby's belongings back, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.920 which they have not been able to get from the Laundries. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.920 So I just think it's so odd that the only 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.719 thing that can help them carry out the proceedings and 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.520 finish their son's estate is this notebook. Yeah, what does 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.640 he have in there? There's a part of me that's 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.640 they're like, um, can you guys just not get to 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.600 the final page. Make sure you read from the front. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.080 But if you don't finish, we'll take it back. I know. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.600 I just there's they're not in a position to be 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.079 asking the FBI for anything. Oh, I asked them for stuff. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.640 They sat on their hands, well we think they sat 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.680 in their hands, well, the hand that they were feeding 0:10:53.679 --> 0:11:00.280 into the garden. Correct where Ryan still hiding allegedly, But Aslee, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.400 what what are they trying to figure out? The things 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.040 he owns, what his last will and testament? I don't know. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.000 I don't get it. I think it's a control thing, 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.560 and I think that there was maybe something in there 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.800 and they want to make sure that there was. It's 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.680 like it's like the clock is always ticking. Well, what 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.959 about how this hasn't even been formally connected. What about 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:28.240 the Gabby's death hasn't even been formally connected to Brian yet? 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.000 You know, I think that this is one of those cases, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.480 much like the o J case, where no one will 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:41.800 ever think that it was not Brian, Like everyone will 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.240 always think it's o J, whether or not he's publicly guilty, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.280 and of course he did lose the civil suit, but 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.840 publicly he's free. So I have a feeling it's the 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:59.840 same thing. I think him committing suicide made it easier 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.679 for people to not be able to connect the two 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.040 because there was no questioning. But I mean, I still 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:13.440 think he killed the other two women as well. Allegedly. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.600 I fall into that too, because there was over the break, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.760 there was a couple of reports. There was one that 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.320 they had played pool together the girls. What we missed us? 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.880 He was too busy losing my phone and I was 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.079 too busy dating. That's gonna take up some time. You 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.280 got some got some stuff to catch up. And I 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:38.839 understand packages were delivered Dmitri. Gosh. There was a there 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.320 was a report that they had perhaps played pool with 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:45.280 those two girls in that bar, and so in my mind, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.040 I was like, okay, so that maybe they got in 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.079 a fight, then he did something to them or something 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.920 like that, and Gabby got upset and was like, I'm 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.959 gonna I'm gonna say something. And then this thing's just unarrival. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.840 You know, when you commit a rhyme and someone else 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.080 knows and I don't. I don't know. I've never a 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:05.040 minute a crime. You lost your Fannie Peck. You're a 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.160 Fannie Peck. Yeah, I think that you are the crimer, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:27.120 the crimer. It's amazing what we've all. We've gone a 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.720 little while since we've been gone, all right, I've clearly 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.920 gained brain cells since then. So but the other exciting news, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.480 why don't you tell us about Gilaine Oh, convicted baby 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:46.120 of federal sex trafficking charges for role in Jeffrey Epstein's abuses. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.840 Let me just say I did not think i'd see 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.240 the day that this title would be real. I know 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.880 it's thought that she would get out of this somehow. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:14:00.880 Anyone else well I I the fact that she give 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.960 any names in order to get a lighter sentence was 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:13.040 slightly surprising to me, But then also not because she's one, well, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:17.600 not yet. I don't think she's going to I don't 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:25.120 really think she doesn't want to get accidentally murdered. I 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.080 I think that she would like for the security guards 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:33.040 near her to not be conveniently napping. So I think 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.480 that she's probably maybe that's the only reason she hasn't 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.480 talked yet. But in good news for her, her lawyer 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.080 confirmed she could get the COVID booster before going and 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.360 back into the How nice. Okay, So here's what happened. Okay, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.480 British socialite Lane Maxwell. You already know how obsessed we've 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.800 been with this case and surprisingly how little media attention 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.360 and coverage there has been around it. She was finally 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.480 convicted Wednesday of five federal sex trafficking charges after a 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.520 jury concluded that she did play a pivotal part in 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.800 recruiting and grooming teenage girls to be sexually abused by 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:12.160 her close confidant, the wealthy financer Jeffrey Epstein. She was 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.800 found guilty of five of the six federal accounts she 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.520 was charged with and faces up to sixty five years 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.760 in prison. So this is why I think that she 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.400 hasn't spoken yet. The judge has not yet set a 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:28.040 sentencing date, so I think that there's still time for 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.000 some sort of deal. But okay, that's just speculation on 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.320 my end. Ever, a few names, every name she gives, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.480 take her like two years off. I mean she'd have 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.840 she'd she'd be negative years in jail. Then the list 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.440 is so long. I don't think she's going to give 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.080 up names. I think that she prides herself on having 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.400 these high end relationships with people, and I think she 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.520 will she'd rather I don't know, because it's not like 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.920 that will do anything for her. She wrots in jail. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.080 I mean, the list is so long, it's gonna go far. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.520 I mean, she's going to pull out like a CBS receipt. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.760 It's gonna be like Sir Isaac Newton. It's like, what 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.280 these people at the same time period, but while she 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.560 was in jail, her husband dumped her. Oh wait, yoga teacher. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.440 I love by the way, love love love that they 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.120 felt the need to let us know by a yoga teacher, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.880 because it's like adding insult to injury. It's like, yo, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.360 it's by someone who's super flexicle. So you know, you know, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.680 it's like, Okay, we got it. Can you just say father, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:43.720 I mean not father? Oh my god, this is a 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.120 child show. I mean, is it a child show? I'm 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:53.480 just kidding. Obviously not. It couldn't be less appropriate, less 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:58.880 appropriate than than her crimes. She was convicted of conspiracy 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.560 to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.399 sex acts, conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.080 to engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.040 the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, conspiracy to 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.159 commit sex trafficking of miners, and sex trafficking of miners. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.920 She was not found guilty getting over COVID thank you. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.080 Of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.119 sex acts. I don't know how that's odd, um so 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.760 I guess they wanted to go willingly, which carried a 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.280 five year sentence, so she would have been in prison 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:39.040 for seventy years. And as the verdict was read, apparently 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.280 she didn't even look behind her, and she just poured 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.720 herself a cup of water and drink it and kind 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.399 of talked with one of her attorneys, and you know, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.680 like you said, she asked if she get the COVID 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.040 nineteen booster. She only looked back at her siblings who 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.800 sat in the front row before she was led away, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.120 and one of the victims, Virginia, she did not step forward. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.320 Um she wasn't she wasn't named in the case, but 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.480 she did step forward early on, and I think that 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.000 she was stated saying that she will remember this day always, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.080 and finally there was some sort of justice about all 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.320 the young women who suffered at her hands, in whose 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:25.399 lives she destroyed. So they know that Maxwell did not 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.879 act alone. They're hoping that others will be held accountable. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.920 And I guess we will just see how this plays out. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:39.160 But this was a really long road, and I mean, 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.000 I'm just I don't know how this is going to 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.480 play out. It makes me nervous, honestly, And do you 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.320 guys think that she so her secret husband, the one 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.359 that it didn't emerge until court papers in that they 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.600 were married. Do you think she gave him all that 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.840 money because remember he tried to free her with they 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.960 at point five million dollar bailed package, very casual amount 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:09.639 of money. That's yeah, you know what if if my 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.840 secret husband doesn't have it like that, I'm not going 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:16.880 to marry him in secret. Um. I love this this 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.919 this quote though, which Um, she has been behind bars 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.360 for five nine days now. It has put a terrible 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.000 strain on the marriage the inside. You think, what about 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.600 the charges? Yeah, what about try sixty five years in jail? 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.840 Would that put some strain on their marriage? That's why 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.360 you think she's gotta she's gotta cough something up. I mean, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.520 I'm not satisfied, like I'm satisfied that that she's been 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.840 found guilty, But to me, that's the first step. If 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.080 this doesn't go further down and more people that committed 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.680 these crimes, you know, come to come to light, then 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.720 it's it's not a success. But sorry, I just feel 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.919 like they're letting us know what's important to her secret 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.840 husband because they identify fight she'd been behind bars for 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.080 five and forty nine days and to put a terrible 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.680 strand in the marriage. It's like he's just drawing little 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.720 lines on a board, counting it every single day she's 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.399 not there. And then they made it clear that he's 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.919 now with a yoga instructor. It's like, we get it, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:23.879 we get what's important in the relationship, but she Do 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.960 you think that her husband should be guilty by association? 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.080 That's the thing is that we don't know how much 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.560 he knew or did not know. Did she hide all 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.600 of her secrets from him? Why did he wait to 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.320 break off the marriage that he want to see if 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.119 she could get off because if she could, then they 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:48.040 would continue their marriage happily or whatever. Did he actually 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.199 have no idea and once he found out she was 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.000 this monster, he didn't want to be with her. Um, 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.880 we don't know, but we will stay tuned and we'll 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.600 keep you guys updated as we find out additional information. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.159 If what's your take? Do you feel like he's guilty 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.160 by association? Do you feel like he knew? I feel 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.040 like if he ended up with her, remember she was 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.160 like giving those ted talks and that's where they met 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.159 when she was working with that big company, and he 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:23.240 ended up leaving his wife for her, allegedly. And I 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.880 think my guess is he probably had an idea that 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.320 things weren't on the up and up, but he had 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.040 no idea the magnitude of how bad things were, because remember, 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.840 Jeffrey Epstein had already gotten in trouble. But what I've 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.119 also learned is Glene appears to be a quite a 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:47.800 good liar and quite a good manipulator. So maybe it 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.359 wasn't until things got real with her going to jail 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:58.000 and everything that he started realizing, Wow, potentially married a monster. Okay, 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.359 you know what that kind of feels. It kind of 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.560 checks out because it feels a little bit like a succession. 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:09.280 The relationship between Shiv and Tom. I haven't seen it, 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:14.400 so I can not pretend if you'd like. Thanks sometimes, Dmitri, Yes, 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.440 I'm familiar. I like to think he's not as big 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.640 a moron as Tom, but who knows. You just don't 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.240 know some people, you know anyway? All right, um, teddy, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:32.160 we're waiting for an amazing segue. Well, in that sentence, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.640 another sentence was changed. Oh my god, she does it again. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.440 Truck drivers sentence reduced from a hundred and ten years 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:46.159 to ten by Colorado governor and fatal crash. Colorado Governor 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.040 Jared pull Us on Thursday commuted, let me try and 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:55.119 then you got it. You got this college. I know 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.960 it's the reading part um. Colorado Governor Jared pull Us 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.640 on Thursday commuted the prison term of a truck driver 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:03.960 who was sentenced to a hundred and ten years after 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.640 a fatal accident in two thousand nineteen, reducing the sentence 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.160 to ten years. I know we talked about this last episode, 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:16.879 but Roguel Aguilera Madros killed four people on April two 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.960 thousand nineteen after he said his break failed on the 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:24.959 downhill grade on Interstate Interstate seventy eastbound outside Denver. Prosecute 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.119 argued that he acted recklessly and made a series of 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.840 poor decisions before the wreck. Police reduced his sentence by 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.760 a hundred years, saying in the letter Thursday that the 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.879 life sentence was inappropriate for a tragic but unintentional act. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:43.280 While you are not blameless, your sentence is disproportionate compared 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.520 with many other inmates and our criminal justice system who 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:51.280 committed intentional, premeditated or violent crimes. I really never thought 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.600 i'd see the day. I mean a lot of people 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.880 spoke out on this, and I think that that is 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.680 what helps when people are speaking out. When I mean 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.240 all of those truck drivers coming forward saying they weren't 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:07.120 even gonna take that route. Um. One of the main 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.480 questions is do you guys think it should be less 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.920 than ten years or do you think ten years is 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:25.960 fair reasonable? I think four people were killed car crash 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:31.720 and he was speeding, so I don't know if it 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.840 was a downhill speed situation, but he was speeding. I 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.000 think he was going eighty five or something, which apparently 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.399 truck drivers are only allowed to go forty five on 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:46.840 the UM. Yeah, in that area. And there's a part 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.880 of me that thinks he was a little reckless. Um, 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.000 we don't know why he was speeding like that. He 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.600 was reckless. And and while I think it's clear from 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.639 watching the videos his heart is in pain and he 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:09.560 really did not mean to commit these murders, it's like 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:14.159 it's still happened. It's hard because it's clear he's not 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.240 a murderer. You know, he didn't like plot people's for something. 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.520 But but it did happen. But it did happen, and 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.520 it was a massive tragedy for people's lives were taken. 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.920 It appears the family there is at least one family 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.399 that agrees that the sentence should have been shorter. I 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.760 think that he can still live a full life. He's 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.400 only twenty six years old. He'll be thirty six when 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.400 he gets out. They'll probably even less than the sentence 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.159 more let's and he's still going to be able to 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.919 raise his child, you know, like he has the opportunity 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.359 to continue living where the people in the accident that 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:53.080 died are not. So I think it may for good 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.760 behavior if he goes in. I imagine he'll be out 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.399 in less than ten years. And that's a heck of 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:02.800