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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello social sleuths, and welcome to a whole new

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Speaker 1: year for crime, and the only resolutions we have today

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Speaker 1: will be for court cases from last year, So new year,

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Speaker 1: old crime, but we will get to new crimes soon,

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Speaker 1: you guys. Today we're gonna be discussing the much anticipated

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Speaker 1: rulings for three high profile cases Galline Maxwell, Elizabeth Holmes,

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Speaker 1: and Kim Potter, as well as a change in sentencing

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Speaker 1: for a truck driver who has given a hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten years in prison. And lastly, some new possibilities in

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Speaker 1: the John Benet Ramsey case which we never thought we'd

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Speaker 1: see the day. And also my favorite case of the

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Speaker 1: day is who stole Teddy's iPhone in Aspen. Guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to real time crime. I'm Leo Lamar and I'm

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Speaker 1: with my wonderful co host Hetty Mellencamp and sometimes did

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Speaker 1: me Tree. I sometimes good to see you guys, nice too.

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Speaker 1: Can we just start with fannie pack Gate because I'm

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Speaker 1: really we really need to dig into this crime, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm so upset about it. The crime that you were

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Speaker 1: wearing a fanny pack. That it was very it was

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Speaker 1: very on trend fanny pack. It was anyway, it was

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Speaker 1: very expensive anyhow, so obnoxious, but it was very cute.

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Speaker 1: It was very excited. I went to a place with

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Speaker 1: only humans that I personally know, private area. We were

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Speaker 1: all tested, just to give everybody you know it's going

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Speaker 1: to come at me for this. We do karaoke, We're

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Speaker 1: all having fun. I am seen with the Fannie pack

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Speaker 1: on my body the entire night up Tom I departed

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Speaker 1: at We know this because my husband has a phone

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Speaker 1: call into me telling me it's time for us to go.

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Speaker 1: So we go. We walk from where we were and

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Speaker 1: askemen to our hotel, which is not that far. We

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Speaker 1: may have, you know, done some husband and wife type things.

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Speaker 1: And then I fall asleep and then I wake up

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Speaker 1: the next morning and the Fannie pack is gone. It's

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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. There's no Fannie pack, there is

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Speaker 1: no phone, there's no nothing. And then here's the final

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Speaker 1: piece of the case that really makes it a lot,

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Speaker 1: is that I had the phone at a charge when

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Speaker 1: I went out. I barely used the phone, which would

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Speaker 1: probably take up what ten percent charge. The phone was

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Speaker 1: off in the morning off. So there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: things we thought were going to happen. One I left

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Speaker 1: it in the restroom like maybe went to a last

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Speaker 1: potty break. But that didn't happen because then I talked

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Speaker 1: to the owner, went to the place, looked through everything.

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Speaker 1: Not there. Two is that it would have fallen into

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Speaker 1: the snow on my walk home, but I I we

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Speaker 1: did my steps the next morning. Not there. However, maybe

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Speaker 1: the people that come and dragged the snow pushed it

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Speaker 1: in and then that's why it killed the phone and

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Speaker 1: it was off. What do you guys think? I take

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Speaker 1: a couple of things, karaoke in a Fannie pack? Was this? So?

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Speaker 1: Is there a time travel machine in Aspen? And also

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Speaker 1: husband and wife type? Yeah, I mean you guys would

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Speaker 1: argued about picking up after yourselves. Question it was going

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Speaker 1: to make the vet. No. I didn't nag him about

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Speaker 1: who was being the kids up from school. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know something that takes around two to three minutes

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Speaker 1: figured out. So you gave him a neck massage? So yeah, correct,

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Speaker 1: So I gave him the neck massage. But then I

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Speaker 1: was too booked up to plug in the phone and

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Speaker 1: do all those things. I have a philosophy, Yes, Teddy

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Speaker 1: and ted it's ed I'd just be like together, it's ted, okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: Team Ted got drunk. Yeah, in between coming home from

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Speaker 1: karaoke and getting home from karaoke, thought the fanny pack

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Speaker 1: was still on, but fannie pack had slipped off. How

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Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, but when you're drunk, everything's tight. Like

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Speaker 1: everything's tight, you know, Like, but I mean the lengths

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Speaker 1: that I went. I even called the police department, reported missing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here? Is it possible?

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Speaker 1: What did they say? Is there any video footage? Stores

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Speaker 1: like to see if anything walking? I went to the

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Speaker 1: front desk of the hotel I was staying to see

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Speaker 1: see my entering, like the levels. I went to to

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Speaker 1: find this because not only was my phone in there,

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Speaker 1: get home, all the things. And are there any credit

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Speaker 1: card charges? None? It's probably somewhere in your we love.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure you're not wearing it? Did you look down?

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Speaker 1: It's not on right now? And I bribed my kids.

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Speaker 1: I said that each paid them a hundred dollars each

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Speaker 1: if they could find the Fannie pack. Hilarious, impossible. I

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Speaker 1: would have loved to have heard the police when you

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Speaker 1: like threw it out. Absolutely not, because what he had

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Speaker 1: it's not worth it to him. He would have just

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Speaker 1: had handed over. Okay, So did you see footage of

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Speaker 1: yourself at the hotel walking in with the Fannie pack. No.

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Speaker 1: They were like, we can't, We're not pulling this out.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like I was. I walked

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Speaker 1: I found a Fannie pac Man. Judge Leah rules this

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Speaker 1: uh fanny pack left in the snow in the mean

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Speaker 1: the snows melting in there. It'll be well. The other

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Speaker 1: crime is that why would Apple or whoever it is

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Speaker 1: not like eight days out. Another girlfriend of mine just

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Speaker 1: ordered her phone and she was like, oh, that's a

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Speaker 1: weird I didn't get it yet. This was yesterday and

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Speaker 1: then she checked the tracking and it was delivered five

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Speaker 1: the package arrives, by the way, you should be tracking it.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of packages arriving, Speaking of packages arriving, the Potito

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Speaker 1: parents have found like a petition. Wait, I'm so sorry, Teddy,

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Speaker 1: so we got to talk about your crime, but we

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Speaker 1: didn't get to talk about I'm sorry. I do sound

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Speaker 1: such a good transition that I like, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: I'll let you use this exact same segue in a second. Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: but I'll just say one line, speaking of packages arriving,

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Speaker 1: Leah might be dating someone. It's a crime that you

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Speaker 1: haven't told us. I realized that I don't have my

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Speaker 1: regular phone number, but I know, I just wanted you

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Speaker 1: I'm really upset that both of you gasped and that

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Speaker 1: hold on. But I need to know something. This is

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Speaker 1: very important. Does he have a head shot? What he

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Speaker 1: hates Instagram? No, I didn't say does he have Instagram?

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Speaker 1: I said, does he have a head shot. No, No,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a true investigator. I'm more concerned

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Speaker 1: that your segue to this was don't you want to

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Speaker 1: hear about my crime? Lee is not the Segway person.

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Speaker 1: It's me. That's my job here. He gets to sing

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Speaker 1: the crime song at the end. I get to do.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we should move on to real crimes

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Speaker 1: or each other? We had we had like a week

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Speaker 1: You better send me his picture. Oh you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: texting you immediately after this texting on the new number

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Speaker 1: feels left out, That's fine, you have all right? Can

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Speaker 1: we get into Brian lounge? Because we thought we were

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Speaker 1: done with him? But I'm real interested. All right, tell

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Speaker 1: us what you got? Teddy? Okay. So Brian Laundry's parents

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Speaker 1: found that was found near the skeletal remains, the attorney says,

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Speaker 1: and had been hoped that the notebook, which was submerged

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Speaker 1: about the death of Laundry's girlfriend, Gabby Petito. Steve, our

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Speaker 1: trying to recover the notebook as part of a formal

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Speaker 1: proceeding to administer their late son's estate. Okay, so here's

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Speaker 1: my problem with this one. This is still an ongoing

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Speaker 1: investigation too. Where's the van? What's the update the last

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Speaker 1: Potito should at least be able to get Gabby's belongings back,

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Speaker 1: which they have not been able to get from the Laundries.

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Speaker 1: So I just think it's so odd that the only

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Speaker 1: finish their son's estate is this notebook. Yeah, what does

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Speaker 1: they're like, um, can you guys just not get to

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Speaker 1: But if you don't finish, we'll take it back. I know.

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Speaker 1: I just there's they're not in a position to be

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Speaker 1: asking the FBI for anything. Oh, I asked them for stuff.

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Speaker 1: into the garden. Correct where Ryan still hiding allegedly, But Aslee,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there was maybe something in there

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Speaker 1: like it's like the clock is always ticking. Well, what

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that this is one of those cases,

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Speaker 1: think he killed the other two women as well. Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: they had played pool together the girls. What we missed us?

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Speaker 1: He was too busy losing my phone and I was

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Speaker 1: too busy dating. That's gonna take up some time. You

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Speaker 1: got some got some stuff to catch up. And I

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Speaker 1: understand packages were delivered Dmitri. Gosh. There was a there

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Speaker 1: was a report that they had perhaps played pool with

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say something. And then this thing's just unarrival.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you commit a rhyme and someone else

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Speaker 1: knows and I don't. I don't know. I've never a

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Speaker 1: minute a crime. You lost your Fannie Peck. You're a

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Speaker 1: Fannie Peck. Yeah, I think that you are the crimer,

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Speaker 1: the crimer. It's amazing what we've all. We've gone a

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Speaker 1: little while since we've been gone, all right, I've clearly

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Speaker 1: gained brain cells since then. So but the other exciting news,

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Speaker 1: of federal sex trafficking charges for role in Jeffrey Epstein's abuses.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say I did not think i'd see

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Speaker 1: the day that this title would be real. I know

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Speaker 1: You know, how could you, as a longtime officer forget

428
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Speaker 1: which side your taser is on and which side your

429
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: gun is on your train for so long to know

430
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: the way of each which side each is on, so

431
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: you don't make fatal mistakes like this. And I remember

432
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: waiting to find out and hear that she actually was

433
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: holding her gun and it was pointed at him. So

434
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: for her to say that she, Oh my god, I

435
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: can't believe I mistook my gun for my taser. It's

436
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: like you don't shoot a taser. Well, she was yelling taser, taser.

437
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, even her testimony and where she kind of

438
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: breaks down all of it. I was looking for a

439
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: cheer to drop. Yeah, she doesn't want to go to jail,

440
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: but she even said in the moment, I'm going to

441
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: go to jail. Right, she knew she was going to

442
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: go to jail. I mean I googled. I googled, I

443
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: googled what a taser looks like, what some tasers look

444
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: like versus guns. Also, I mean, I've never I don't

445
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: have a taser. I don't have a gun. I don't know,

446
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: And I mean some tasers are in the same shape

447
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: as a gun. However, if this is your job and

448
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: your I could decipher the difference in a picture. So

449
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: this is your job and something you've been trained to do.

450
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: Unless you are so beyond deathly frightened. I just don't

451
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: know how you could make that mistake. And there was

452
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: no reason to be frightened in this because she he

453
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: was just trying to get away. He wasn't trying to right,

454
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: And then she tried to say that the other police

455
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: officer looked afraid. I was like, no, he didn't let

456
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: me ask you guys, this is it a matter of

457
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: she just got she got confused and shot and heated

458
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: in the moment. Is that the thing? Or did she

459
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: shoot him and then realized later, oh, I gotta come

460
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: up with an excuse, and came up with a taser excuse.

461
00:29:53,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: It feels like it happened so fast, and she didn't

462
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: mean to shoot the gun like she she meant to

463
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: shoot it, obviously. I don't think she meant to kill him.

464
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: But then the second she realized she killed him and

465
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, no, it's my taser. I meant I

466
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: thought it was a taser. Yeah, I don't know, because

467
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: also you don't shoot a taser, you know, don't you

468
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: well know, there's I looked this up. So there's some

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00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: tasers that are like this, like like this with like

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Speaker 1: two little things. And then there's some chasers that look

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Speaker 1: like a gun. Yeah, but then do you shoot it

472
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: and it has ranged to hit something and the hangover

473
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: when what's shot him? And it came out on like

474
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: a cord and it's stuck to him, and then he

475
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: just kind of pumped the There are shooting types, all right,

476
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I take it back. Well, maybe you know what, maybe

477
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't think about a taser. All I know

478
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: is that we need to make a transition, and you

479
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: guys are making it very difficult for me. I'm trying

480
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: to keep us on track here, and I only think

481
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: it's fair that I'm gonna gip the transition and get

482
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: right into it. I don't think I should cover the

483
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes recap. I think it needs to be used.

484
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Since you embody her in so many ways, why do

485
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: you think it needs to be me. I can't believe

486
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: I was found guilty on four out of eleven federal charges.

487
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even do anything wrong besides fool everyone and

488
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: steal all their money. So yeah, that's what happened, Elizabeth, Elizabeth,

489
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: we didn't know special guest, Elizabeth Holmes, that's this week.

490
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Unlike Gallen Maxwell, my husband didn't leave me just because

491
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: I was guilty. He had a baby listening, Okay. Elizabeth Holmes,

492
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: former CEO and founder of failed the blood testing startup Thearapis,

493
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: was found guilty on four charges of defrauding investors, capping

494
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: off the stunning downfall of a former tech icon icon.

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00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: She was found not guilty on three charges concerning defrauding

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00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: patients and one chars of conspiracy to defraud patients. The

497
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: jury returned no verdict on three of the charges concerning

498
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: defrauding investors, and the judge who was presiding over this

499
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: case is expected to declare a mistrial on those charges.

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00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: We'll see. So the charges that she was found guilty

501
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: of were one count of conspiracy to defraud investors as

502
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: well as three wire fraud counts tied to specific investors,

503
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: and she faces up to twenty years in prison as

504
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: well as a find of t K plus restitution for

505
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: each count. So she left hand in hand with her partner,

506
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Billy Evans. Also, I just wanted to go back. Glen

507
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: Maxwell's secret husband never came to even one day of

508
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: her trial. M Yeah, back to Elizabeth Holmes. So she

509
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: left hand in hand with Billy Evans, her mom and

510
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: her dad were there. She was part of a fifteen

511
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: week trial. It was a really complicated case, and they

512
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: read the statement out loud the courthouse by a spokesperson,

513
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: and they let everyone know that she was guilty in

514
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: a large scale investor fraud and she will definitely be

515
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: sentenced for her crimes. So the jury of eight men

516
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: and four women determined that she was guilty on accounts

517
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: pertaining to investors, but none of the accounts that pertained

518
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: to defrauding patients. So that's interesting because that lets us

519
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: know that they actually genuinely believed she didn't know the

520
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: technology was failing, but she did mislead people in investing

521
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: in a product that was failing. So maybe it's they

522
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: don't realize she didn't realize the magnitude in which it

523
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: was failing. But when you hear all of the people

524
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: that worked with the product what they said, they repeatedly

525
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: would go to her. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's

526
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: kind of odd. I mean, the jury, you know, was

527
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: reached a standstill on a couple of those counts. And

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00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: I think it was a really difficult case for a

529
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: lot of people because it was so complicated and complex

530
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: and she's very convincing, and there are a lot of

531
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: parts to this case, But I don't know. I think

532
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: what they were tasked with determining was whether she was

533
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: this well meaning founder who made mistakes as she built

534
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: her little startup that became a huge startup, or whether

535
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: she intentionally deceived investors and patients in order to help

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00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: herself and her company succeed. So, I don't know, what

537
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: do you guys think. Well, we haven't gotten how long

538
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: she's going to be correct. I think it was twenty years,

539
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: but not I think that's estimated. Yeah. So, I mean,

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00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: I I think at at least she's getting something. You know,

541
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: for a while I was worried that she wasn't gonna

542
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: be held accountable for any of her actions. Yeah, so

543
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: I think this is a start. You know. I don't

544
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: think she's one that's gonna really go back and like

545
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: think about what she did. Like she doesn't seem to

546
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: have that remorse or anything like that. But we're just

547
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see how long the sensing is,

548
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: see what ends up going on with her husband. I mean,

549
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: and the sad part is that she does have a child,

550
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: and you know that's gonna be a hard thing for

551
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: the child to grow up knowing. M Yeah, but we

552
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: have to take a little break and then we come

553
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: back to talk about John Bennett. I can't wait. Okay,

554
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: so we are back. I was the one who said,

555
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I really want to talk about the John Benet Ramsey case.

556
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: I am. I have been obsessed with this case for years,

557
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: for years, but I have to say that looking back

558
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: into it now as an adult versus when I saw

559
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: it all over the news stands as a kid, it's

560
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: so different. So those of you who don't know, which

561
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure big majority of you do. John Benet Ramsey

562
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: was an American child beauty queen who was killed at

563
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: the age of six and her family's home in Boulder, Colorado.

564
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: A long, handwritten ransom note was found in the home.

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Speaker 1: Her father, John found her body in the basement of

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Speaker 1: their house about seven hours after she had been reported missing.

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00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: She had sustained a broken skull from a blow to

568
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: the head and had been strangled. Grew up garrotte garrot

569
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: What is it? I think we're just gonna pass on

570
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: the pronunciation. Okay, we're gonna pass on the producture was

571
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: found tied around her neck. The autopsy reports stated that

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00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: John Bennet's official cause of death was asphyxia by strangulation

573
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: associated by cranio cerebral trauma. Her death was ruled a homicide.

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: The crime is still unsolved and remains an open investigation

575
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: with the Boulder Police Department. Nineteen six December twenty three,

576
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: Ramsey's host a Christmas party at their Boulder house. About

577
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: thirty people attend, so a lot of people in the

578
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: house getting their DNA everywhere. On December, the Ramsey's family

579
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: attends a Christmas party with family friends outside of the home.

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00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: After they get home, they put John Bonet to bed

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Speaker 1: and this is the last time she was seen. Five

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Speaker 1: fifty two am, Patsy calls the police to report her daughter,

583
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: John Benet has been kidnapped. She claims to have found

584
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Speaker 1: a ransom note on the stairs that she was getting up.

585
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Six am police arrive at the Ramsey home. Officers conduct

586
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: us search where they do not find Jean Benet. Then

587
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: another police officer arrives and has the father go search apart,

588
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: which is sooth the family friend. With the family friend

589
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: who was at the party, they go down to search

590
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: and where's the first place they go to the basement. Also,

591
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: the first police officer that came in walked right to

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the door of in front of where she was being,

593
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: where she was, where her body was, didn't open it,

594
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: and then turned away and went back upstairs. Yeah, I

595
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: mean to continue on so many things. Um. December, the

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00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: County Corner determines John Benett died from asphyxiation. Her death

597
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: is the first officially ruled a homicide. On decem investigators

598
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: announced that they have taken hair and blood samples from

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00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: John and Patsy. They also announced John John Benet's adult

600
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: have siblings are out of town during the murder. So

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00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: after the police officer was like, go hunt for your

602
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: own daughter in your own house, which already is odd. Um,

603
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: they then tampered with all of the crime scene. Yeah,

604
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: they picked her up, picked her up and brought her

605
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: upstairs and covered her with a sheet, and it's like

606
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: already okay, go on, multiple people touch her, It's all right.

607
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: January three, investigators proclaimed the ransom note found by Patsy

608
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: was written after the killer arrived at the Ramsey home

609
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: because it appeared to be from the notepad at the house.

610
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: It's also a very long ransom note, and some words

611
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: are misspelled and some aren't. So which is by some

612
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: words I mean the exact same words like business is

613
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: spelled wrong ones and correct ones, like there are words

614
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: that I repeatedly spelled wrong, like don't judge like your um, honestly,

615
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm judging. Yeah, you said not to judge.

616
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: But but like business, you either know how to spell

617
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: it or you don't. Don't misspell it at the beginning

618
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: in So that's a state of panic, right. And also

619
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: they later found a note that there was someone who

620
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: had practiced writing the note correct um. Then February thirteen,

621
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Speaker 1: District Attorney Alex Hunter announces that they formed an expert

622
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: prosecution tax force, vowing to bring the killer to justice.

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Speaker 1: Forensic expert Henry Lee and DNA spashals berry Check both

624
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: involved in the O. J. Simpson defense team. So they're

625
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: never going to bring the murderer to light. Yeah. March seven,

626
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: according to the handwriting analysis, John Ramsey did not write

627
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: the ransom note found in the home. The same analysis

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Speaker 1: did not rule out Patsy. On April nineteen, one of

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Speaker 1: the investigators working on the case officially named John Bennett's

630
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: parents as possible suspects. April thirty, investigators conduct long waited

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Speaker 1: formal interviews with both John and Patsy Ramsey. I'm gonna

632
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: stop here for a second because something I didn't realize

633
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: until now is that in the media anytime, I mean,

634
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: this was on the cover of every magazine constantly when

635
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: this was going on, the magazines came forward and said,

636
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: or somebody came forward and said, let me repeat this.

637
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: It was found out that the magazines were sold more

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00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: any time they said that. The parents didn't. So they're

639
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Speaker 1: saying that part of this maybe a news media, you know,

640
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: kind of circus, and the media just kept driving one

641
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: storyline because they wanted to drive sales in their magazine,

642
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily what was going on. Because I remember when

643
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I was younger a thinking it was the parents, and

644
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: then I thought it was the brother. So the Ramseys

645
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: are again interviewed. This time is kind of like the

646
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: Amanda Knox case, where it's like they just wanted to

647
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: believe it was her even if it absolutely was not right.

648
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: So then they interviewed the brother, Burke Um and then

649
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: later on, like years past, he goes on and does

650
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: a Doctor Phil special, which did you guys see it. Okay, look,

651
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: this is again kind of like the Amanda Knox situation.

652
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: He seemed to be unbothered. He was like kind of smiling.

653
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I just think either a, if he's not guilty, that

654
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: he was numb to all of it. It had been

655
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: so long and it's like how many times can you

656
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: produce tears and you just it's like so much time

657
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: had passed, and maybe he's just been through the ringer

658
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: and he's like whatever, b he's uh like just kind

659
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: of unwell, like he's an awkward, uncomfortable person, and that

660
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: was just like an uncomfortable face. Like I know that

661
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: when I get uncomfortable, I laugh and it's like time

662
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: like brand that's something ill. So that's my excuse. What's his? Well?

663
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: My son sometimes like when he doesn't know what to do,

664
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: or he like smiles like he's like so maybe that's

665
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: what was happening. We don't really know, but it was.

666
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: The other option is that he's guilty and that he's

667
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: right because of the pineapples. Yes, okay, but either way,

668
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: John Bennet's brother ends up filing a In December of

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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, John Benny's brother files a seven hundred

670
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollar lawsuit against CBS, a production company

671
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: and seven investigators involved in a TV special that aired

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00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: in September that accused him of killing a sister, and

673
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: uh he reaches a settlement. The current update is twenty

674
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: five years after John Bennet Ramsey's killing. Investigators have tested

675
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: almost one thousand DNA samples. In a statement marking the

676
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: twenty five anniversary of the murder, Boulder Police said they

677
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: actively use new technology to enhance the investigation and checked

678
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: regularly for DNA matches in order to solve this case. So,

679
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: thanks to huge advances in the DNA technology, multiple suspects

680
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: have been through the system to check for matches and

681
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: as updated, over seven fifty referenced samples with the latest

682
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Speaker 1: d A technology. The Volder Police Department works closely with

683
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: cb I and future DNA advancements. So that leads me

684
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: to believe that they found d n A that was

685
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: not anybody else's not the parents, not the brother, not

686
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: the family, friend or whatever. Right, so they must have

687
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: some sort of d n A that they're trying to

688
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: match to somebody. Well, so they went back and forth

689
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: on it. You remember this this like like I'm sure

690
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: that there's new evidence present because of the technology. But

691
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: they went back and forth. They first said no one

692
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: in the family committed it because they found DNA in

693
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: her underwear. That because they also thought that she was

694
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: sexually abused before she was murdered or after or somewhere

695
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: in there. Um, they were saying that there was DNA

696
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: in her underwear that was not from the family and

697
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: from not from the family, right, And so they apologized

698
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: to the family, saying, oh, we're so sorry that we

699
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: blamed you. Um, you're all pardon And then they tested

700
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of other underwear from the same company and

701
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: found that there was traces of DNA in all of

702
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the underwear, even when it was prepackaged. So I know,

703
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: so then they said never mind, you might still be

704
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: on the hook. But then they came back. So it's

705
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: so there's always this new DNA question. And I was

706
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: really in the Glenn Meyer theory. Teddy, were you there.

707
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: I was partially with the Glenn Meyer but then especially

708
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: because as he was dying and had dementia, he would

709
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: just make a shrine to her. But there's honestly, like

710
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: twenty men that did that. There's the photographer, there's Santa

711
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: there's like, I mean, it's unbelievable. And then Jehn Mark Carr,

712
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: who was actually arrested. Yeah, so wasn't he let off

713
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: because he actually was found that he wasn't even in Colorado,

714
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean also things like loose

715
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: Smit said he was the like the head investigator originally

716
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: had never lost a case or something like that. Um,

717
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: he said that they said, in order for somebody to

718
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: get through that little window in the crate and all

719
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: of that, they would have had to be technically like

720
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: a small person, and he was like a tall, grown

721
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: man able to get in and out. I watched the

722
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: video of it happening. I just think there's so many

723
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: inconsistencies in the story and what we were originally told. Well,

724
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: we were also told that Burke was sleeping at the

725
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: time of the nine one one call, and there was

726
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: also another mysterious nine one one call from the house,

727
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: but they hung up earlier that earlier that night, and

728
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, she woke up, she was still in the

729
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: same clothe she was wearing from the night before, and

730
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: she was a known perfectionist, and you know, the letter

731
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: specifically said do not call the police, and she immediately called.

732
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: So in my mind it's like, you know that there's

733
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 1: no real threat because you wrote the letter. But that's

734
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: that's one option. The other option was that Glenn Meyer

735
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: was waiting in the basement and once he heard her

736
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: call nine one, he killed John Bennet. And he had

737
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: a key to their house because he was renting out

738
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: a room in the basement of their their friends who

739
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: lived in the same neighborhood and they often walked the

740
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: Ramsey's dog, and so he had a key and he

741
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: knew and he had met John Bennet, but that his

742
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: DNA was not found on her either. There's also the

743
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: idea that it could have potentially have been the housekeeper

744
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: because the housekeeper on maybe it was the day before

745
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, had asked for money from Patsy. Patsy said no.

746
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: So they were saying, maybe she was described Aldo, this

747
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: is something she and her husband had done. Nope, no

748
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: DNA from them either. Um. Then they even tried to

749
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: reach out to this woman's sons like it It's it's

750
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's just there's so many

751
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: different caveats to it. Even the fact that she had

752
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: she had undigested pineapple with the only fingerprints on it

753
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: that bowl were Patsy's. No, no, were Burkes. And so

754
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: there's a theory that well Burke apparently hated John Bennet,

755
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: especially because she was the baby and with like in

756
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: her bed in, like smear poop on her presence and

757
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and they had a huge rivalry, and

758
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a theory that perhaps they

759
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: were fighting over the pineapple there's a late night snack,

760
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and he accidentally killed her. There's theories that he hit

761
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: her over the head with the flashlight and didn't mean

762
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: to hit her that hard. Also, the tool that was

763
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: used to exphyxiate her was half of a paint brush

764
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: or something that came from inside the house. Patsy Um.

765
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: Patsy's paint brush was part of a handlebar to the

766
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: axphyxiation tool. So I don't know, I think that you know,

767
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: it seems like also a lot of people knew not

768
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people, excuse me, not a lot of

769
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: people knew that the amount of the bonus that he

770
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: got was add eighty thousand dollars that year for Christmas

771
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: from his work. And also these are very wealthy people

772
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: who are They're super affluent, and they have a lot

773
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: of affluent friends, and they have a very specific community

774
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: and also hold a lot of power. Um. So a

775
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of people were saying that this is also why

776
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the investigators quit on the case, because

777
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: they felt like they were just getting so much heat

778
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: for handling it poorly. The crime scene was completely contaminated

779
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: because they kind of let John do whatever he haunted,

780
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: and he kind of got too much of a say

781
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: because he was such a powerful person allegedly. Um, the

782
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: fact that the ransom note had almost the same exact

783
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: amount of money he got for his bonus is also

784
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: very telling that it's someone who knew. I'm going to

785
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: say also in a final note on this, I think

786
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who believe that the

787
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: case is too cold to actually find an answer at

788
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: this point. And to those people, I say, I disagree.

789
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you guys remember the Melanie Road

790
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: case in Bristol, this is like the case was solved

791
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: thirty years later because of DNA advancements. I mean, there's

792
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: there's a ton of stories that I've seen of old

793
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: cold cases being solved because of DNA advancement, so it

794
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: is possible. I think it's possible. I hope that the

795
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: true murderer comes to light, whether or not the person

796
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: is dead or alive. I just think that everyone wants

797
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: an answer, just closure, resolution. Yeah, and especially I mean,

798
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: it would be better sweet to find. This is the

799
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: twenty five year, this is the anniversary of her death.

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00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: This this holiday so heartbreaking, It's beyond heartbreaking. But yeah,

801
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: let's keep let's keep digging, guys. Um, I think that's all.

802
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: That's all we've got. We're out, guys. I really missed y'all.

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00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really missed you guys too. I've

804
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: really missed talking crime with some of my favorite people.

805
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: But you guys should call in and announce how excited

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Speaker 1: done all the research. I'm so obsessed. Did you watch

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Speaker 1: the show yet? I did? Okay, So for those of

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Speaker 1: you that are obsessed with watching Netflix crime documentary Crime Scene,

810
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Speaker 1: the Times Square Killer is out on that sex right now.

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Speaker 1: It was trending number four last time I checked, so

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Speaker 1: you know it's hot. We're gonna have the director on

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Speaker 1: next week. We are so excited. To talk to him

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817
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,520
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00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: as he talks and just take it all in. And

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Speaker 1: then so I'm giving everyone homework who's listening. A little

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Speaker 1: I think that's this has been real time crime. I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything?

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Speaker 1: Or is that just the thing we say? It's a

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Speaker 1: thing we say got it, Okay, See you next week

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