1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Down ron Anian battery wind beat, brand new battery. I 2 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: explain what new men never ever work. You know. The 3 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: cemeteries work like that too. I said, one day you're 4 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: not in the next day you are. And that's just 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: the way it is. It's just like the battery. There's 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: no rule that says how long that battery is gonna last. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor, there's a bean color scene whenever possible, 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: tell them that we can't do anything. Well, of course, 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: what that's that's new to you? Of course that's what 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: they're saying, you know. But I'll tell you what, if 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: you tell me you want to buy a new car, 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: they'll be glad to sell you one. Welcome to the 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: radio home of ron and Anian the Car Doctor, since 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: you busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six and 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: now he running. It's time to start your engines along. 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Welcome Ronin and the Car Doctor here at a five 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine zero, here to take your 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: calls and answer your questions again eight five five five 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. More information about us at Car 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Doctor show dot com. Of course there's a Facebook page. 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, real nice picture out on the 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Facebook page. The launch tool truck backed up yesterday this week. 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: I figured what they was, and the Harland seagull unloaded. 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: We'll not Harlan himself, but his his people. I shouldn't 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: say Harlan. Actually, for Harlan to make an appearance at 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: the shop, I'd probably fall over because he's such a 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: busy guy's flying everywhere. I never know where the reason 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: overseas here south northeast. I don't think he knows where 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: he lives anymore. He's so busy. He's in the car 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: all the time. We're in the plane all the time. 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: But they dropped off ROXY, which is their new inspection 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: tool which we expect create things from. We're gonna report 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: back on that shortly. It is an O B D 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: two style tool that plugs into the port. And let's 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: say you're doing an oil change. Car comes in for 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: an oil change, plug in ROXY, and she'll not only 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: tell you every code that's in every system on the vehicle, 42 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: but she'll Also, I believe it's supposed to email you 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: the report that you can print it. So it's it's 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: all right there, it's don't automatically. So we've got Roxy, 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: we've got their new thermal imager camera, which will you know, 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: which we really love. I'll tell you what. Thermal imaging 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: has really come a long way. You've got you've got 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: a related sticking causing a current drain. You've got, uh, 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: you know, a misfire. You can look at the exhaust manifolds, 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: which one's cooler than the others. Uh, there's just so 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: many uses for listen. I use the thermal imager at home. 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: My thermal imager camera at home about two years ago 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: because the dryer wasn't he heating properly, wasn't drawing the 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: clothes properly, and I shot the dryer. I was curious 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: that I have any heat loss. And I found out 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the door gasket wasn't ceiling all the way. I put 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: a door guests and and fix the Uh look pretty 58 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: smart too. My wife was impressed. He says, oh, you 59 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: can fix appliances. Now, No, I don't want to do that, 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: but um, you know it can. So so thermal imagers 61 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: do that, and they sent us their new launched the throttle, 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: their newest scantal which we haven't even taken out of 63 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: the box yet, so I don't know what it looks like. 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: I just it's a really cool box. We're really happy. 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: But you got to the Facebook page, you'll see the 66 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: stack of It's like, holy Calhornland, I gotta make the 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: shop bigger. You keep doing this so but we're gonna 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: report back on that in the coming months. So this 69 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: is the place for that to happen. We do test 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: tools as well as I'll talk about your car and 71 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: its problems at zero zero zero. Yeah, where do we 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: want to start today? Um? I want to talk about this. 73 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: We had Lincoln MKZ that came into the shop this 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: week with four trouble codes. Let's play, let's play you 75 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: know where would you go? How would you fix this car? 76 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: P zero one seven one which is a lean fuel 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: condition bank one, P zero three oh two which is 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: a misfire on cylinder too. P zero two oh two 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: which is an injector drivers circuit fault on cylinder too, 80 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: and P zero three sixteen if I remember right, misfire 81 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: on startup. Where are you going with this? You're like, 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: oh boy, well power of positive deduction. Okay, no other 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: fault codes drove the car. I could see that Bank 84 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: one was showing additional fuel long I'm sorry, short term 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: fuel trim on Bank one was short term fuel trim 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: on Bank too was six. So Bank two was running 87 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: lean bank, I'm sorry. Bank one was running lean. Cylinder 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: two was reporting a misfire. Now you notice it didn't 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: say and this is why I want to talk about this. 90 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: It did and say ignition missfire. So if you're thinking 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: spark plug coil, yeah, maybe, but explain the injector circuit 92 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: fault code. Out of those four codes, the injector circuit 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: fault code is the giveaway you've got an injector circuit. 94 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't say inject or, it doesn't say fuel delivery, 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: it says inject or circuit. Listen to the code description. 96 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: It tells you where to start. So what's in the 97 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: injector circuit? Obviously the injector, the wiring or the PCM, 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the computer itself. There are ways to test all of that. 99 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: The fun part is the bank that this is happening on. 100 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Bank one is the rear bank of this three point 101 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: five lead forward Lincoln and the injector rail is under 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: the plenum overhang. So first you've got to duplicate the problem. 103 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: You want to look at it on a scope. You 104 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: want to look at it when it's happening. But you 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: gotta get to the wiring and you can go to 106 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: the PCM which is over on the left side of 107 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the engine compartment and tap into the wires there. You 108 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: can go through all that, I agree, but sometimes you 109 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta call the ball there there comes a 110 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: point of practicality. Injectors are very common on this engine, 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: and it seems that it's always the back bank middle injector, 112 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: just like this one. I don't know why. It's a 113 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: pattern failure. It's something I've documented time and time again. 114 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: The car ran good when it was called. If you 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: shut the car down for ten to fifteen minutes, started 116 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: it up after a hot soak, it would start to miss. 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Looked at it on a scan tool and it showed 118 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: that the injector. Because you can look at a scan tool, 119 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: it will tell you injectors went through six. Does any 120 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: one of the injectors have a fault? Look through one 121 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: through six prior to shutting it down. No, faults started 122 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: it up. All I did was started up the injector. 123 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: Number two showed a fault in the car was miss saying. 124 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: That means that that injector was no longer firing. Either 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: it wasn't receiving proper signal PCM wiring harness issue, or 126 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the injector itself was at fall. It doesn't take it 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: longer to get the plan ofm off. The planum is 128 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: off that car. Literally, if you can't do it in 129 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: ten minutes, then it's just that simple. It's it's all 130 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: eight millimeters. There's one, two, three, four, five six, there's 131 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: seven bolts, and that planum is off. Disconnect the air 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: and take duct and you're out of there. Have clear 133 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: access now of the injector. Took an ometer. Those injectors 134 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: have to read between eleven and eighteen thousand alms. Number 135 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: one red twelve homes, twelve thousand homes. Okay, that's good. 136 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Number three red twelve homes, twelve thousand homes. That's good, 137 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: number two red, three thousand homes. Oops. Um, I think 138 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: I found the problem. Houston. We have an issue and 139 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: bad injector. And the reason I wanted to explain this 140 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: to you is because I don't think a lot of 141 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: you have scopes. You know, a lot of you guys 142 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: won't have scope. And you know, injector testing, there's a 143 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: hundred ways to do it. You know you can do 144 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you can do you know, current ramp testing, and you 145 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: can scope it. And but you know, we try to 146 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: talk in terms of practical point of what you're going 147 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: to see at home in the garage and the do 148 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: it yourself or situation. And always remember, like I'll remember 149 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the spec off the top of my head because I 150 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: see it all the time. If you ever want to 151 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: know what a good one is supposed to be, and 152 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: you're working on an injector car, well, if it's a 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: six cylinder and you think you've got one bad injector, 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: you've got five others to pick from. Take a reading 155 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: off of that, take a reading off the sensor next 156 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: to it, take a reading off the injector next to it. 157 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: If if all six injectors read the same and they 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: sound reasonable, and then at some point you gotta go 159 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: look up a spec. You know, that's that's one thing. 160 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: But if if five injectors or two injectors read the 161 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: same in the middle one that's got the problem cylinder 162 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: being flagged by the scan tool. All of a sudden 163 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: that one reads, you know, thousand versus twelve thousand. I 164 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: guess what I think you found it? So put two 165 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: and put three injectors in it. I changed the back 166 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: bank because they do run hot. By the way, we 167 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: only we only broke four connectors because the tabs are 168 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: so brittle, right, the plastic tabs, a little safety tabs. 169 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: So we had a we had a solder and new 170 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: safety connectors that they were all you know in there 171 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't vibrate loose and put it together in 172 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: the carbons, Fine, it's good, it's gone. Um, a little 173 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: bit of carbon in it. It's always nice to pull 174 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: an injector. You see the spray. You can see that 175 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the carbon cleaning we've been doing in the shop for him, 176 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: for Charles has been working because the the intake bore 177 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: just blew. The injector was clean and doing what it's 178 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: supposed to do. But just just a different way to 179 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: look at it. All right, Um, you're gonna run into 180 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: a vehicle with an injector issue or a misfire. Remember, 181 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: a misfire isn't always ignition. It can be. It can 182 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: be ignition, it can be fuel, it can be mechanical, 183 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: just a different way to look at it. The home 184 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: test never seems to lie. It always tells you what 185 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: you need to know. Anyway, Let's pull over and take 186 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: a pause A five five five zero nine zero zero 187 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: run anating the Car Doctor. We're come back right after this. 188 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: That's right. If you call and we're not live, you 189 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: can leave a message and we'll call you back to 190 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: get you on the air with Ron eight five five 191 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: five zero nine nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron, here 192 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: he is. Let's get on over and talk to Danny 193 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: in Huntington, Long Island. Danny, welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 194 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey, hey going, long time listener. 195 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for having a problem. I had a problem 196 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: with my two thousand Wrangler, the JK, the four door model. 197 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: UH phone story short. I was coming back from a 198 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: trip from Delaware to New York. UH. I have the 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: truck is modified, highly modified. I was pulling a trailer 200 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: and I burnt up my transmission and throwed it to 201 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: the transmission shop. They repaired the transmission and I just 202 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: picked it up a few minutes ago, and it's still 203 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: throwing codes. I don't have the codes in hand, they're 204 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: actually at home. But the one is a PCM low voltage. 205 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: One is a transmission fluid sensor or or low fluid 206 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: sensor or something to this effect trans trans fluid tamp 207 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: out of range. Perhaps possibly was it was it throwing 208 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: any of these codes, Danny before the trans repair? No? No, Well, 209 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: when I was driving, it threw a bunch of codes 210 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: and the truck completely stopped driving, so I had to 211 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: pull over and get towed. So I don't know what 212 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: the codes were. I don't know if they pulled codes 213 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: before they repaired the training. But I'm driving the vehicle, 214 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, at the moment I'm pulled over, but the 215 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: truck is driving fine. But it does throw codes. Now, 216 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: there was three codes that the third one was it 217 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: was a speed centor transmissing transmissing speed sensor low or 218 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: or high. Let's say, I don't have the specifics because 219 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: like I love the paper. Yeah, that's okay, Um is 220 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: anything here? Now? Are you doing this? Whether O B 221 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: D two scan tour or using your make model? I 222 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: believe they were using a b t H O B 223 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: D two standard. I believe it was a SAP on. 224 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm not too sure it was um because we don't 225 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: want to, you know, we don't want to We don't 226 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: want to just look at O B D two stuff 227 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: for something like this. We want to see the whole package. 228 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: We want to see all the modules across all systems, 229 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: and most importantly, especially because it's a Chrysler product, we 230 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: want to look to see can we communicate with all 231 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: the modules across all systems? Do we have any communication 232 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: fault codes? So just really important to only look at 233 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: O B D two. You know, it's sort of like, 234 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: you know, you're asking your wife what you're gonna have 235 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: for dinner tonight and she says, yes, you know you're 236 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna eat. You're just not quite sure what you're gonna get, 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: and you know, you just it's got to be more 238 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: than just a yes. We need to know specifics. So 239 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: a couple of steps. And you know, here's where I think, 240 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: here's where I think a repair shop puts themselves in 241 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: a box, all right, And I don't care if they're 242 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: your trusted mechanic, because they don't know the answer to this. 243 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully they scanned this car, this vehicle before the repairs, 244 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and and This makes the argument for 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: you know, the industry has been going through this pre 246 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: repair vehicle inspection checklist. Hence where the Launch Roxy comes in. 247 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: You know, the Launch came out with lunch scan to 248 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: a lunch diagnosis, came out with a tool called ROXY 249 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: that will allow a shop to plug in, get a 250 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: report what codes are in the system. It files it 251 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: for them. And now we've got something on record that 252 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the day on Friday, we had 253 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: these codes and and Danny's jeep we got done fixing 254 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: Danny's jeep. At the end of the day on Friday 255 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: or Monday or Tuesday, whenever it is cleared the codes, 256 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: nothing came back. Here. It is before and after. It's 257 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: it's not just to make the shop feel good. It's 258 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: also to tell Danny, hey, Danny, we solved this problem. 259 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: It left. It's clean. Because that's not to say that 260 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: they didn't. But that's not to say the truck doesn't 261 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: go two miles down the road and all of a 262 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: sudden something else happens. You know, it's it's electronics. Listen, 263 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: you had to see the scurry at about one oh 264 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: six this afternoon, an hour before showtime. I looked at 265 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: Tom and I said, tom My laptop just thought and 266 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: Tom and I said, hey, we got an hour. What 267 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: could go wrong? Um, probably somewhere around we don't want 268 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: air At two oh six forty East coast time, at 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: about two oh six thirty two, we finally got it 270 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: back up. You know that that's that last minute scurry, 271 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: the things going on behind the scenes that you know, 272 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: what goes right, what goes wrong. So the first thing 273 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: we gotta do is let's go back to the shop 274 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and talk to them. All right, hopefully you've used these guys, 275 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: they get it. I mean, I think the first step 276 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: is write everything down, printed out whatever, clear codes, what 277 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: comes back, because that's the other problem. You don't know 278 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: if what you're looking at some of it's left over 279 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: from the failure getting towed, or this is all new stuff. 280 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: And then if they all come back and they say, gee, 281 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: we didn't have these codes before, then not blaming them 282 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: is a harness pinched somewhere right. We had we had 283 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: the trans out, they rebuilt the trans. Is there an 284 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: issue inside the trans they built because there's you know, 285 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: there's wiring harness inside the trans is now is there 286 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: a problem with the connector where the main trans harness 287 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: goes in through the I think it's the right side 288 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: of the case on that truck. You know, there's just 289 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: a hundred possibilities, So everybody's gonna kind of stay calm 290 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: and just look through this. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, they're 291 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: they're they're trying to like pass the buck to me now. 292 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: They're they're saying that they they test rolled the vehicles 293 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: for two days, they clear codes, the codes are still 294 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: coming back, and they're saying, you don't trying to tools 295 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the PCM first and then bring it back and if 296 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: it's still happening after the PCM, then we'll take the 297 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: trainee back out and we'll take a look at it. 298 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: That's that's kind of like, yeah, that's no diagnosis. That's 299 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: that's no diagnosis. That's passing the buck and and you 300 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: know that's that's really not the right answer. You know, 301 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: they're saying that they drove it for two days and 302 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: the codes wouldn't clear, and they still gave you back 303 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: the vehicle. Yes, the codes are cleared right now because 304 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: the symptom this morning before I picked it up. They 305 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: said they were driving it this morning and the truck 306 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: fell flat on their foot, on their face, the the 307 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: throttle went down to the to the floor. They had 308 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: no no throttle whatsoever. So they were assuming that it 309 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: was the throttle body, uh or something else, the PCM assumption. Alright, 310 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: So I I asked to may can you run the 311 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: code and tell me what they are? And I wrote 312 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: them down. I just don't have them on me because 313 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you what they were. And now 314 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: I have a vehicle and I can't really rely on it. 315 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: Is the vehicle gonna just go dead when I'm talking 316 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: on it's still it's still a broken vehicle. Let me 317 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: ask guys, do you pay by credit card? No? I 318 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: paid cash. I have a receipt see, and I you know, 319 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I hate to play the credit card thing, but it 320 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: kind of gets everybody's attention. And I, you know, I 321 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: always like to see people pay by credit card, especially 322 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: a place there they've never used. It kind of keeps 323 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: everybody's attention because you know, I was I was brought 324 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: into the business, and I was born and raised in 325 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: the business in the sense that the job's not over 326 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: till the car is gone down the road over the curb. 327 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I got paid in two weeks later, you're still happy 328 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: with me, so, um, you gotta get somewhere. You gotta 329 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: get a diagnosis, Danny. I think we gotta go to 330 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the final level. I think you gotta either find a 331 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: good neighborhood garage that can diagnose it, or take it 332 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: to the dealer, pay for a diagnosis, tell them what 333 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: you're up against, get a printed report, and then go 334 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: back and talk to the trans shop. Call me back 335 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: next week, let me know what this how this plays out. 336 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm on ANADI in the car doctor. We're back right 337 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: after this. That down. It's when you get keep Ron's 338 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: number hand eight five five five six zero nine zero 339 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: zero for when you really need advice on your car. 340 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: Here's Rob. Hey, welcome back. Let's get over and talk 341 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: to Stephen and san Diego. San Diego, Stephen. We could 342 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: be there, you could be San Diego Stephen. Stephen. So 343 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: how can I help you start runningating? The car doctorate 344 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: your service, Hiern, Thanks for thank you much. I got 345 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: a Dodge Ram Van B two fifty. It's with a 346 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: three on eight by point too liter engine. It's a new, 347 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: new new vehicle to me, it's it's a great car, 348 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: but it's not idle and good, and it keeps stalling 349 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: out on me at lights and stop signs. The engine 350 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: starts up just fine. Within like thirty seconds, it will 351 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: start to surge and then die back and surge and 352 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: die back. It's like the engines thinking something's not right here. 353 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: I bet it dumps and fuel in and then eventually 354 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: it will stalk. Anybody trying to diagnosis to this. Anybody 355 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: work on it, No, just me. I've learned a lot 356 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: about this thing trying to figure out, and I haven't 357 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: got to the bottom of it. Okay, so this hasn't 358 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: this this should be? Is this a there should be 359 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: a throttle body vehicle corrector this is right, there's a 360 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: throttle body, two injectors in the body. Or this has 361 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: throttle body with port fuel injection, which is two injectives 362 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: in the certain body. Um so this is and this 363 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: is there's an idle air control motor which is an 364 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: air bypass. Have you have you done anything to that, 365 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: swapped it out, cleaned it. I've I've had a part, 366 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: cleaned it, greased it up, put it back. I unplugged 367 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: it when the engine was running, and that didn't make 368 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: any different. Okay, when you say you greased it up. 369 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: What do you mean you greased it up? I put 370 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: some lithium grease in the inside, the inside the idle 371 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: air control motor itself. Yeah, there's a bunch of plugs 372 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: in there. I had grease on them. I just cleaned 373 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: it off and put some fresh up. Maybe we're talking 374 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: about something different. The the the iak is held on 375 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: by two bolts, right, three three. This is a little 376 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: motive that pushes the idol and raises it and lowers 377 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: it by pushing out spinfle. Is that the thing you mean? Yeah? Okay, um, 378 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a bypass around the throttle player, 379 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: you're talking about the plunger on the side of the 380 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: throttle itself. I'm talking uh a motor that you know. 381 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: You press the gas pedal and it there's a wire 382 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: that the throttle cable that pulls a lever to increase 383 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: the throttle, and this thing dictates the position of the idol. Okay. 384 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: So right, there's an idle speed motor. Okay. So there's 385 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: an idle speed motor, and there should also be an 386 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: I act or an idle air control motor on this vehicle. 387 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: M I didn't come across that. Okay, Um, how many 388 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: wires are on your whatever this is that you're working 389 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: on four two? Think? Okay, so then you we've got 390 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: to be talking about the same thing. Um have you checked? Okay? 391 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: So then this is a this is an eight eight 392 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: B two fifty I act. This has a plunger extension. 393 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: Have you checked minimum idle speed adjustment? All right, So 394 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a procedure you're gonna have to find 395 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: for minimum mital speed adjustment. There should be a set 396 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: screw on the side of the throttle body, um that 397 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: will just open the plate just to touch or bring 398 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: it up to a base rpm. But before we do this, 399 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: one of the things I want to be sure is 400 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: that the throttle body base gasket isn't cracked, leaking, or 401 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: blown out, because that was common. That's one of the 402 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: things they did. Do you have any um you know, 403 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: carb clean is so passe. I mean a lot of 404 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: times we use it, but I'd love to see you 405 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: get a little bottle of propane and set up a 406 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: propane sniffer to kind of shoot propane around and look 407 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: for some vacuum leaks with this. Just ye, I didn't 408 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: concentrate around the base of the throttle body though, so 409 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: I can try that experiment again for a long time. 410 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: So that kind of thing is probably a good shout 411 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: yeah um. And then also especially something that's sat for 412 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: so long. Let's let's think about you know, cracks and 413 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: vacuum hoses that we can't see. I checked them all, 414 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: I I picked there's a picture under the herd shows 415 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: you all the vacuum hoses like spaghetti. I went through 416 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: them all. But if every single one have you? Have 417 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: you gone around them with propane? Yes, okay, and you 418 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: you saw no change? I used cop tina, but yeah 419 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't see. The nice thing with propane 420 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: is propane is a more controlled spray. All right, So 421 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: if you got up, you know, if you go to 422 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: the hardware store and get a you know the plumber 423 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: makes that um you know the yeah yeah, the big yeah, 424 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: the blue bottle with the with the plumber's torch end 425 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: on it, and you put a rubber hose on it, 426 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and you make some adapters to shrink the rubber hose 427 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: end down to the point where you can get a 428 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: steel brake line in there. Put a put a steel 429 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: brake line and then put the end of the brake 430 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: line and a vice and pin it down. So now 431 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: you've got it down from an opening three six of 432 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: an inch to the thickness of a hair. All right, 433 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: all right, Now you've got a controlled source of fuel enrichment. 434 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: All right. And now you can sit there because when 435 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: you sit and you know, thing with carb clean is 436 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: it just sprays it, It just goes everywhere, all right, right, 437 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: and now you've got Now you've got a controlled combustion source. 438 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not thrilled about using propane either, and I'm 439 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: careful with it where I pointed, but you know, now 440 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: I've got a controlled source that you know, I can 441 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of sniff around. Um. One of the best ways 442 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: to do it. O t C makes it. O t 443 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: C Tool Corporation. I forgot the part number, but you 444 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: could go Google search O t C Chrysler Lean Burn 445 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Enrichment Kit and it will come up with this fuel 446 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: adapter for the top of that blue bottle that we 447 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: used to use a million years ago on Chrysler Lean 448 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: burn systems back in the seventies. And it's it's great 449 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: because it's got the right size hose on it, and 450 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: I just take I take a piece of I take 451 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: a piece of I think I use five sixteen break 452 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: line or three sixteenth break line. Put it in their 453 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: pin n down. I'm done. Um And the nice is 454 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: it's got a real nice regulator on it. I can 455 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: actually use it if I ever get a car with 456 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: a bad fuel pump, I can actually shove it down 457 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: the throat of the throttle body or the intake or whatever, 458 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: turn the propane upside down, feed the engine enough propane 459 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: drive the car, and with no fuel pump it just 460 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: runs tired of pushing cars. Um So, But the idea 461 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: is with a with a steel brake line that you 462 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: can meter or control how much enrichment you're giving it 463 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: so that you're more precise than what you're looking for. 464 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: So regardless however you do this, just let's go looking 465 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: for a vacuum week once we established that that's not there. 466 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: And and by the way, do you have a voltmeter, stephen, 467 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: So hook your vaultmeter up to the O two centsor go, 468 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, probe into the harness after the O two 469 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: centsor connector this should be a single wire oh two 470 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: right back in eighty eight, there is a pretty basic 471 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: animal there should be a singular wire. Oh two, there's 472 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: there's there's no getting confused. You know, to right, the 473 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: two centser back in the day went zero to one vault. 474 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: So if you probe into that oh two centser wire 475 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: with your vaultmeter and you know, set it to auto range, 476 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: you'll see it goes from zero to one vault. And 477 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: if you feed it propane and try this, shove a 478 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: little propane down the throat, you'll see the vaultmeter pin 479 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: out high. You'll see the voltage go high. So that 480 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: now you understand that its reaction is you know, when 481 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: when the engine's getting too much fuel, the two centsor 482 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: reports rich, and the computer leans it down and and 483 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: and pulls fuel away. And if you create an air leak, 484 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: you'll see that voltmeter go down, lean and the computer 485 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: adds fuel. So you understand how No. Two works. But 486 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: the bigger issue is if you've got the voltmeter hooked 487 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: to the O two while you're sniffing with the propane. 488 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it's got a small enough vacuum leak that it 489 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: doesn't pick up our PM that you hear it, but 490 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: you see it at the O two. Okay, makes sense? Okay, 491 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: that's one, two three. You've got to go do some 492 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: research on that throttle stop, that that idle control motor. 493 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Make sure there isn't an IAK on this. I don't 494 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: think there is. I think I know which system this 495 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: is now. And then go through what we used to 496 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: call base minimum idle speed adjustment and make sure that 497 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: that idle air control motor is coming out and doing 498 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to do if that's been adjusted, changed, modified, 499 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: not working. Vehicle have air conditioning? Yeah, okay, when does 500 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: the air conditioning work? No? Okay, so that's a problem. 501 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna say if you if you turn on 502 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: the air and the idle air it doesn't come out, 503 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: that tells me something else too. So do the couple 504 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: of things we talked about without two and look for 505 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: fuel leaks. If you have any problems, let me give 506 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: you my email, all right, send me an email Ron 507 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: at card doctor show dot com. Just send me the 508 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: seven team digit vent of the vehicle. If you can't 509 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: find any information on that minimum idal speed adjustment, I'll 510 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: do some research for you during the week and I'll 511 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: shoot you a copy of what I can find. All right. 512 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of an older car. Now, what 513 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: is it? Forty years old? Yeah? I can't believe we're 514 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: talking about forty one year old cars. And the thing 515 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: is I remember working on him and it was yesterday. 516 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: So how did I get to this point? Alright, Stephen, 517 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: do that. We'll talk next week. Alright, brother, thank you 518 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: very much. You're very welcome, Sirry you take you take 519 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: good care. Zero nine zero, Mikey, I feel so old. 520 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm run an any in the car doctor. I'll be 521 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: back right after this. Hey, welcome back. Why don't needing 522 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the car doctor? I just watched this last night. Rocky 523 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: was this Rocky one or two? I think this was 524 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: too right? I had the Tiger. Yeah, that was Rocky too. Um. 525 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: I just watched this last night and uh and uh. 526 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Every time if you watch the later ones, you find 527 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: out that he's getting older and he needs little help 528 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: with a cane and a walker. And we're having your 529 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: delivered after that last break. I'm telling you I need it. 530 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: I can't what was my name again? Um? Let's go 531 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: and talk to Dirk in Shelter Island, one Pontiac, Montana. Derk, 532 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you're allowed to fix this car. I 533 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: think the government band pontiacs Um, Yeah, I think this was. 534 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: This was the car that when you bought it, did 535 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: you get the optional garage to put this in. It 536 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: was a big giant shed with a crescent moving on 537 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: the door because it was kind of this was a 538 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: bad car. This was not a good the uncle's car. 539 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: But I'm about to inherit. Yeah. Two thousand one V 540 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: six front wheel drive, that's it. Yeah, automatic, Yeah, three 541 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: point four leader. This is a real there's a tough 542 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: car to work on. There's there isn't enough room under 543 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: the hood to change your mind much less anything else. 544 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: So it's it's just like real tight on space. So 545 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: what's wrong with it? Well, we've tried to get it inspected. 546 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: It passed last year, but this year and then he's 547 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: about to hand it off to me. How thank you lord, um, 548 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: And we've took it to one place it didn't. They're 549 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: like six triggers that you have to go through before 550 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: the computer resets. We got up to four, and being 551 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: on Shelter Island, which is like tiny, we weren't able 552 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: to get the higher speeds necessary for the final you know, 553 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: like highway triggering sequence. How how how small is Shelter island. 554 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: Oh about twice the size of my mind giving an 555 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: idea of some of all that can be Um, no, sir, 556 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: it's uh. I can't get over forty on the island. 557 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: That's interesting. What a problem that is? No ship? Excuse me? No, yes, anyway, UM, 558 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: so that was a limitation. We had. The closest highway 559 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: is like forty miles away, and by the time we 560 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: got it back from the first person who had sat 561 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: on it, it was after the inspection had failed, and 562 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: it uh wasn't registered at that time. Okay, so I'm 563 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: trying to get to the freeway forty miles away and 564 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: I get pulled over. That's a lovely little financial crisis. 565 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: We won't get back into. And took it to a 566 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: secondary location and they went through the sequence we failed 567 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: the first time. We rolled up the miles again and 568 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: to try to trigger the over fifty five mile final 569 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: trigger did forgive me the Ferris Bueller sitting on the 570 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: jack stands and running through the sequence and wait, wait, wait, wait, 571 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: what what fault code is it coming up with? Uh 572 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: that I couldn't tell you, but it's turning on a 573 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: check engine light. Yes, sir, Now we had the check 574 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: engine I light on at the first inspection place and 575 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: it dropped off after like the fourth the fourth of 576 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: six triggers was met, but the final uh two. You know, 577 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: we kept driving around, driving around. Heck, we had like 578 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: over six hundred miles and the damn thing trying to 579 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: get it the kick and it wouldn't. And the guy 580 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: handed back to us after a five dollar bill for 581 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: doing little or nothing, and uh, you know, chain the oil, 582 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: think of fiddle with an inject or. That was about it. Dirk, 583 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: You're you're going about this wrong. I'm being service. Yeah. Um, 584 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: First of all, you gotta know what codes it has. Okay, 585 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: if this is a if this is a if this 586 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: is a cat code, what what you're what you're talking 587 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: about triggers? You're talking about monitors or the self tests. Yeah, 588 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what we're discussing. And you know, if 589 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: it gets through O two and O two heater or 590 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: and E g R and whatever, and all of a 591 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: sudden it gets to the cat efficiency fault and it 592 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: sets a P zero four twenty, it's it's a catalytic 593 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: converter circuit fault. And then that's got to be diagnosed, 594 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: probably a cat if that were the case. And I'm 595 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: really guessing here, I'm out on I'm out at the 596 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: end of the branch. Never mind on a limb, because 597 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have the codes in front of me. 598 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: So why don't we do this? Can you get a 599 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: diagnostic report? Can you get somebody to scan it for codes? 600 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: Get a print out of what codes are in the vehicle? 601 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: And either and and and either call us next week 602 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: or email them to me. And I need to get 603 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: a copy of the right correct now, if it went 604 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: to the state and it failed inspection, it should be there. 605 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: In Jersey we call it a v I R Vehicle 606 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: Inspection Report. I believe it's references the same thing in 607 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: New York. We just we just need a copy of 608 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: that print out so we can see what the fault 609 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: codes are and then we can have a better, more 610 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: involved conversation. Do that. Call us back next week. I'm 611 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: ring nading. The car Doctor will return right after this. 612 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: Come then, all, welcome back the Car Doctor. Holy cow, 613 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: what a two hour show today was. Yeah. I just 614 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: looked up Shelter Island. It's kind of like in the 615 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: crux of Long Island. So that's it's not Long Island Sound, 616 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: it's Gardner Bay. I think it was something like that. So, 617 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: and you know, Dirk was right, you can't get a car. 618 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: There isn't any place to go faster than I never 619 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: really thought about that. So, you know, if if the monitors, 620 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: if you have to run the car. Was talking about 621 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: monitors when you're saying triggers. If you have to run 622 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: the card fifty five to fifty eight miles an hour 623 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: to set your monitors for inspection, the self test for 624 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: cat and ev app and things like that, you can't 625 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: do that living on the island. Maybe you know, you 626 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: can probably create your own I mean, I don't know 627 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: what you would do. It is I was looking at 628 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: it on a map. South Ferry Road connects the bridge 629 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: to the mainland. You don't have to like shoot across 630 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: the bridge at sixty miles an hour where it's a 631 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: forty five. You'd be breaking the law. There's no place 632 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: to really how do you work on that car? So 633 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Dirk, if you're still listening, maybe this is 634 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: what you gotta do, babe. You can buy a crash helmet, okay, 635 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: and you find the longest, quietest part of South Ferry 636 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: Road when nobody's looking, and and listen. If you get 637 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: out over the bridge, cut it to the left, jump 638 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: out right in the bay. Problem solved. It's a Pontiac Montana. 639 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: What are we doing? I'm only kidding. Don't do that, Dirk. Please, 640 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: I love you. I want to see you next week. 641 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Call me back next week. I want to hear what 642 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: your codes are. But yeah, it's a problem. I'm living 643 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: on an island. I can't see how mechanics are going 644 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: to fix cars because they're not wantinading in the car dock. 645 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: You're reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. We'll 646 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: see you