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Speaker 2: It's an unfortunate fact that people lie all the time.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't.

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Speaker 2: I see what she did there. Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some are necessary to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, depending on the situation.

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Speaker 3: Necessary.

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Speaker 2: But for example, where would this one rank? I'll say

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Speaker 2: the statement. You tell me how bad it is? Okay,

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Speaker 2: Brook tells her family and friends she went to an

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, keep the story going. I wouldn't change

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Speaker 2: Just like a hillbilly in Montana for three years and

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Speaker 2: I understand why she twists the truth a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But even Brook's web of deceit isn't as bad as

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Speaker 2: the one our listener, Laurie finds herself caught in today.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be really bad.

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Speaker 3: Where's your degree from, Laurie?

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Speaker 1: Laurie, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thank you?

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Speaker 3: Are you feeling bad?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean my friend put me in a really

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Speaker 1: Who lied in this situation, you were your friend.

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Speaker 3: My friend lied in this situation, oh, and then expected

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so she.

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Speaker 4: Put me down as a reference on her job resume

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Speaker 1: Oh oh god, Oh no.

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Speaker 3: I mean if she would have asked, what would you

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Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, Like if I just got a random

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Speaker 1: I totally would like you just like got you just

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Speaker 1: put Jose down on your resume. Yeah, like, ma'am is

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Speaker 3: Totally?

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Speaker 1: Don't lie, bro don't lie.

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Speaker 3: I would topinally use Jose's my oh man, never as

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Speaker 1: So, Laurie, your friend didn't warn you that she was

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Speaker 4: No, So I didn't really know anything about it. But

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so went to voice will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was like some guy at a company.

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Speaker 4: He he wants to talk to me about my friend.

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Speaker 4: He wants to ask me a few questions. So like again, like,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know about this. So I reached out to

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And she was really sorry, like she didn't realize they

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, okay, I'm kind of I didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I never felt like they did.

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Speaker 4: I definitely worked in jobs where they told me that

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more like, do you have three friends?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty bad if you put down somebody

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Speaker 1: That's why I didn't put my mom down as a reference. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's too risky.

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Speaker 2: So do you know did your friend put you down

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Speaker 1: A professional reference?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not as a friend, not as a friend.

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Speaker 3: Did you actually used to like okay, did you work

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: She absolutely lied about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, that's a lie.

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Speaker 3: I don't why you guys are I thought everyone does this?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 4: I think if I check my references for this job,

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Speaker 3: If someone called your friends, you would have been outed

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Speaker 2: And I feel like it might be a generational thing

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Speaker 4: Well? I don't know. Like I called my friend. She's

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Speaker 4: Because Okay, here's the worst part. In the reference. It

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Speaker 1: Why why would it say that?

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Speaker 4: Because it's like an international brand manager.

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Speaker 1: Wait, you you do want to call the boss? I

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Speaker 4: You can't change your reference if she wants the job.

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Speaker 1: God, so you're.

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Speaker 2: The boss has reached out like asking to have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: So we're about to make a professional reference phone call, but.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be on the other line, like the

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Speaker 4: I'll just hang up and then you guys.

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Speaker 5: Just hit it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Laurie, if the boss busts you and realizes

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I need help.

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Speaker 1: What about you and me? Quick French lesson in the

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Speaker 4: You don't know.

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Speaker 1: If it makes you feel any better, Lori.

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Speaker 2: We're radio hosts and we barely speak English, so you'll

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Speaker 3: This is such a bad idea.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Every awkward Tuesday phone call right after this. Okay, hold on,

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Speaker 2: it's awkward. It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's awkward Tuesday phone call.

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Speaker 2: We've done a lot of awkward calls on this show,

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Speaker 2: Laurie has never actually worked with her friend in any

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Speaker 2: But Laurie wants to know how do we help her

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Speaker 2: fake it to make it sound legit? And luckily Brooke

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Speaker 1: Brook can't fake it.

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Speaker 5: Brook.

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Speaker 1: We need your fake wisdom here.

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Speaker 3: What does laur do if she asks you to speak French?

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Speaker 3: You just tell her you're on a French fast. Maybe

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Speaker 1: It's too many carbs in the French language.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just are just can't do it right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So lock that nugget into your mind. Jose,

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Speaker 2: Laurie to set the expectation that you don't have a

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Speaker 1: All you got this whole thing's got to be quick.

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Speaker 3: Remember you're important.

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Speaker 4: You're important.

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Speaker 2: You got some other billion dollar corporation you're running right now.

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Speaker 1: You own Costco or something.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because I think the longer that you stay

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Speaker 4: That's yeah. I really want to help my friend. I

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Speaker 1: Or oh no, don't cry, you can't cry. That's called

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Speaker 4: I'm really nervous. I think we should just like a

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Speaker 1: Okay, my doll.

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Speaker 2: The number is really fast and we'll jump in and

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Speaker 5: Speaking? Is this hi?

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Speaker 4: My name is Lori Ca. I'm a reference for Jamie.

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Speaker 4: You called me yesterday and that's a message.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, thank you so much for getting back to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. I mean, I'm happy to try and

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Speaker 5: Totally understand. This shouldn't take long at all.

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Speaker 4: Great, So what can I say? Jamie is a fantastic

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, I haven't asked any questions yet.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's you know. I just wanted to let you know.

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Speaker 5: That's great information to know. But let's just go ahead

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Speaker 4: Okay, sure, I do have a meeting that's coming up soon,

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Speaker 5: Have to jump We'll take no time at all. So

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Speaker 5: It was just a little unclear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in my experience, I had her doing sales

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Speaker 5: Uh, okay, that doesn't give me a ton of specifics.

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Speaker 5: So if she if she's using French for her job,

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Speaker 4: I yeah, I don't. I don't want to push her.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, I know it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a personal religious choice.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and did you know that she was the one

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Speaker 4: in charge of Selam McDonald's fries over.

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Speaker 5: In France, like like French fries French.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but but she came up with the whole advertisement

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Speaker 5: Okay, that is interesting. I've absolutely never heard of that

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Speaker 4: Oh you never, You've never heard of that? That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I actually, well, I call her uh Littree and Campagente.

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Speaker 5: The three intelligence exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is as smart as three people, but you know,

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Speaker 4: put into one body. Really inspiring. Okay, I think honestly,

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Speaker 4: She's got real main.

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Speaker 6: Cossault energy, big Cossault energy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I didn't even see this time. I got

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will take that into consideration, and thanks for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully that was helpful. It was talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: Something all right, you two, goodbye or what? Okay, thank you?

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Speaker 4: What he's gone right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he hung up the Lauria. You're still there?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I just panic.

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Speaker 1: French fries, mini baguettes.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it seems interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think she was a little bit worried about the

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Speaker 2: French fast.

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Speaker 5: No French.

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Speaker 2: Did you mention Fluffy the three headed dog from Harry

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I actually thought that was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three people.

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Speaker 3: Actually that was actually out of all the things she said, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry, I really don't know what I was saying.

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Speaker 2: I think overall, it's better than most of the reference

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Speaker 3: It's not a good comparison. I don't have professional people here.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, it could have gone worse.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that man left so confused.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe that builds the mystique they're.

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Speaker 4: Drunk or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the French drink.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 2: What we did today is we put the pressure on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is probably your best friend or her mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully your friend has a good second person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: followed through.

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Speaker 1: You did I did? You did it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely going to tell her. But

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Speaker 3: Actually, comparison there, it's a long It should put back

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Speaker 3: that French fries come from France, right, Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even really get what she made up there.

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Speaker 2: Jump question, bro Yeah, okay, well Jamie, the good news

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Speaker 2: says that you followed through on your promise to your friend.

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Speaker 2: You gave her a reference. It's not necessarily a great reference,

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Speaker 2: I don't think, but you did it. Yeah, you followed through.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't offend anyone.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe everyone in France, all our French listeners.

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Speaker 3: Can you do us a favor and update us whether

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Speaker 3: or not your friend gets a job.

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Speaker 4: I'm really curious, Like, yeah, I definitely will. I tried

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Speaker 4: reaching her earlier, but she's like working out some kind

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Speaker 4: of like broads at a stone of course, oh.

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Speaker 3: All that French.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really wants the job, so she trying take it

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Speaker 4: till you make it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck to her, and good luck to you.

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Speaker 4: Okank you brooking Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 2: We recorded that call last week and we just got

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Speaker 1: I think everybody should know there's an update on the

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Speaker 2: I know her friend or apparently her friend got to

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Speaker 3: Her friend, Yeah, did she not get hired because of

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Speaker 2: It might be for the best, because it would be

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Speaker 1: With all of them Donald's stuff. The French voices so funny.

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Speaker 1: But maybe the best.

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Speaker 2: News out of all of this is their friendship is

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Speaker 2: still intact. Oh friend appreciated Laurie went about for her

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Speaker 2: and promises from now on she's not going to list

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think after she heard the call this morning,

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Speaker 3: she's definitely going to.

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Speaker 5: Back that up.

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Speaker 1: She has asked if Brooke will be a reference for her. So, Brooke,

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Speaker 1: you got this.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do well in French.

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Speaker 2: Whatever language you speak, French or hopefully English, you can

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Speaker 2: listen to all of our second dates are Awkward Tuesdays, wherever.

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Speaker 1: You get them on Apple, Spotify. Check it out at

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Speaker 1: Brook and

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning