Speaker 1: Hello, Hi.
Speaker 2: What's your name, Arianna? What's going on, Ariana? How's life?
Speaker 1: You know it's lifing?
Speaker 2: I feel that brother. Well, what do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about today?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this happened like two and a half years ago,
Speaker 1: but basically, in the span of like one year, I
Speaker 1: got two abortions, I got kicked out of my house,
Speaker 1: and I got emancipated.
Speaker 2: This this was when you were eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. Actually I had just hearned I had
Speaker 1: just turned steen when it all started.
Speaker 2: How you well, I guess, uh. I mean, before we
Speaker 2: get into anything, how you doing now? Are you chilling?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm actually great now. I'm in college. I've been
Speaker 1: living on my own since then. I'm still with my
Speaker 1: boyfriend who had all happened with.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you want to get into it,
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 1: Okay, So, okay, let me just preface this with some backstory.
Speaker 1: My dad is like not really in my life, and
Speaker 1: like my mom is like a really bad opioid addict
Speaker 1: and alcoholic, and so all of this happened like a
Speaker 1: year after COVID happened. So it was like February twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and so me and My boyfriend had been
Speaker 1: together for it had almost been a year, and on
Speaker 1: his seventeenth birthday, I found out I was pregnant, and
Speaker 1: so I like internally knew what I was going to do,
Speaker 1: like I always knew if that ever happened to me,
Speaker 1: like what my decision was, and like luckily Rogie Wade
Speaker 1: wasn't overturned or anything, so I knew, like I had options,
Speaker 1: and my boys then like fully supported me. He was like,
Speaker 1: if you want to have it, I'm down to do that.
Speaker 1: If you don't, I'm down to do that. So he
Speaker 1: was like very very supportive.
Speaker 2: So you were sixteen and he was so So you
Speaker 2: were sixteen and he was seventeen.
Speaker 1: I had just turned sixteen. I had just turned seventeen
Speaker 1: the week before, so like technically I was sixteen when
Speaker 1: if I got pregnant whenever that happened in like January December,
Speaker 1: and then I just turned seventeen when I found out.
Speaker 2: Okay, And so your boyfriend was supportive and everyone and
Speaker 2: everything was all aligned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like me and him were good. I hadn't told
Speaker 1: my mom yet and it was and it's actually the
Speaker 1: craziest story how she found out I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with one of my friends, and she was at
Speaker 1: the place where we worked at and she had me
Speaker 1: on speakerphone, and someone else we worked with overheard it
Speaker 1: and they knew a friend of my family, so like
Speaker 1: it got around. Word kind of got around back to
Speaker 1: my mom and she ended up confronting me about it.
Speaker 2: What did that confrontation look like?
Speaker 1: Honestly, it wasn't that bad. It was you know, I
Speaker 1: heard this, Is it true? I was like yeah. She
Speaker 1: was like, well, like, do you know how far along
Speaker 1: you are? I was like maybe eight weeks or something
Speaker 1: like that, and she was like, well, do you know
Speaker 1: what you want to do? I was like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like I don't want to have it,
Speaker 1: like I want to get the procedure done. And she
Speaker 1: was like okay, well, you know I fully support you
Speaker 1: this and that. And then I'd like already done some
Speaker 1: research on it, and she was like, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: drive you to Texas or Mississippi it's necessary. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll do whatever we have to do. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, thank you. Like my mom hadn't, like
Speaker 1: it's never really been like very supportive in my life,
Speaker 1: because she's always been kind of absent or like kind
Speaker 1: of selfish with her decisions with drugs. So I was
Speaker 1: like cool, like yes, absolutely, like thank you, Like I'll
Speaker 1: start like calls on Monday, because it's like on a weekend.
Speaker 1: And then a week later she basically cornered me in
Speaker 1: my room whenever she was musing and she was drunk
Speaker 1: and it was like two am, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you're having this baby, no matter what you think. I'm
Speaker 1: the adult. I like, I have to sign in order
Speaker 1: because in my state, at least at the time, you
Speaker 1: had to have one parent sign off on it, like
Speaker 1: you couldn't sign off if you were a minor. And
Speaker 1: since my dad's not really in my life, she knew
Speaker 1: that wasn't an option. So she was like, you're having
Speaker 1: it because I'm saying it, and I still to this
Speaker 1: day do not know what caused that change. So she.
Speaker 2: So she went from she found out. She was totally supportive.
Speaker 2: She was like, I'll drive you to another state if
Speaker 2: I have to, And then she just comes into your
Speaker 2: room drunk at two am and switches up on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it was a very common occurrence for her
Speaker 1: to like barge in my room at two am just
Speaker 1: for like random things or not. But it was like,
Speaker 1: it was absolutely crazy to me because like we hadn't
Speaker 1: talked about it since then, Like I was just like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what would be the best route
Speaker 1: to go about it, so she didn't have to do
Speaker 1: any of the planning. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it was just you're having this baby. It's what I say,
Speaker 1: goes and that was it.
Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so in my in my state, at least
Speaker 1: at the time, there was something called, oh I forgot
Speaker 1: the name, but it was something it was a like
Speaker 1: a bypass law, and it was if you went to
Speaker 1: court and a judge determined that you were mature enough
Speaker 1: to have like an abortion, they'll grant you from mission
Speaker 1: from the court to get an abortion if you're a minor.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you go in front of a court and
Speaker 2: the court judges if you're mature enough to have an abortion?
Speaker 1: Crazy? What? What?
Speaker 2: What's the first of all? That's insane? Because what like
Speaker 2: that's insane because what are they gonna do? Be like,
Speaker 2: you know what, you're not mature enough to have an abortion?
Speaker 2: But I guess how can you be How can you
Speaker 2: not be mature enough to have an abortion but then
Speaker 2: be mature enough to have a baby.
Speaker 1: That was that was my debacle. And I had to
Speaker 1: like get in contact with the it was like a
Speaker 1: pro bono agency or like online website. Well I'll just
Speaker 1: say my state. I'm from Louisiana and so online they
Speaker 1: have these like volunteer lawyers who will like represent you
Speaker 1: for free, talk you through the procedure, like how the
Speaker 1: court stuff is going to go. And at the time,
Speaker 1: it was online court because not only because of COVID,
Speaker 1: but because I lived like in the middle of my
Speaker 1: state and there's only like three clinics in my state,
Speaker 1: so the closest one was like two and a half
Speaker 1: hours away, so they just did it via zoom court.
Speaker 2: So did you have So is that what ended up happening?
Speaker 2: You went in front of a judge and like had
Speaker 2: to get like evaluated as to whether or not you
Speaker 2: could get an abortion.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I was really sick. I had like something
Speaker 1: called hypermesas or hyper a these something like that Hypergrideralia.
Speaker 1: It's like a really long name. But I have like
Speaker 1: perpetual like morning sickness like all the time. Like I
Speaker 1: was like losing weight, so I had to drop out
Speaker 1: of school and basically like live in the hospital. So
Speaker 1: it was really hard to go around my mom to
Speaker 1: like meet with the lawyers like on call and like
Speaker 1: on zoom and anything with her not being there, dude.
Speaker 1: So so it took me like a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: to get it done.
Speaker 2: So okay, I actually I have more questions about this
Speaker 2: whole process, but before we do that, just like so
Speaker 2: your mom she was supportive and then she was she
Speaker 2: was like drunken on drugs and corn at you. But
Speaker 2: then like I I guess did she was she going
Speaker 2: back and forth between like drunk and fuck you and
Speaker 2: sober and supportive or was like what what was her
Speaker 2: deal during this time with you? Was she flip flopping?
Speaker 2: Did she kind of change and stay with her position?
Speaker 2: Like what was what was her deal?
Speaker 1: After that initial first flip flop, she like stayed her
Speaker 1: position like using or sober. She was like, you're having
Speaker 1: it no matter what, no matter this, no matter that,
Speaker 1: And it like it. The whenever we would argue about it,
Speaker 1: because I would try and plead my case, it like
Speaker 1: the conversations always got a lot more aggressive whenever she
Speaker 1: was using, and it was always at night. But her
Speaker 1: like her whole logic or standpoint was she's my mom,
Speaker 1: so I can't consent, so she's going to consent for me,
Speaker 1: and she wants me to have this baby, so that
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: So how did you get around her? So you you
Speaker 2: found this lawyer that was helping you out that. So
Speaker 2: tell me, I mean, what the what did the kind
Speaker 2: of procedure look like? Not the not the medical procedure,
Speaker 2: but like the legal proceedings.
Speaker 1: So basically my lawyer like filled out all the legal
Speaker 1: jargon of like the petition to the court, and then
Speaker 1: whenever it came time to like my actual court date,
Speaker 1: I like basically just locked myself in my room and
Speaker 1: told my mom I was doing like homework like online
Speaker 1: school work, and told her that she needed to be
Speaker 1: out of the house because I was going to have
Speaker 1: to like talk with my teachers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and like it like I just tried to get her.
Speaker 1: I tried to use every excuse in the book to
Speaker 1: get her out of the house, like be outside, and
Speaker 1: so I would I got on zoom and it was
Speaker 1: the judge, the clerk, my lawy, and then like a
Speaker 1: few other people that like just had to be there
Speaker 1: for like their purposes. And then the judge like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. This is like the first time I'm speaking
Speaker 1: about this because I'm like super nervous, but I'm like promise,
Speaker 1: I'm okay about it. The judges asked me a series
Speaker 1: of questions like how old are you, what is your life, like,
Speaker 1: is the father still in the picture? What are your
Speaker 1: hopes and dreams, like just kind of like basic stuff
Speaker 1: like just trying to get to know me. And then
Speaker 1: she just kind of was like why do you think
Speaker 1: you want an abortion? Or why do you think you
Speaker 1: need an abortion? Why do you think an abortion is
Speaker 1: going to make your life better than having this baby?
Speaker 1: And kind of like questions like that, and then like
Speaker 1: once I inswered those, she was kind of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: why do you want an abortion set up? Like putting it
Speaker 1: up for adoption or this and that, and like that's
Speaker 1: whenever I kind of went into the whole like I'm
Speaker 1: so sick I've had to like drop out of high school,
Speaker 1: and I was a junior at the time, so it
Speaker 1: was like really like time to kick it in high
Speaker 1: drive for college. Yeah, and so like I just kind
Speaker 1: of pleaded my case and like told them about like
Speaker 1: my mom and like that situation, and she ended up
Speaker 1: like granting me access.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, man, that's really really fucking crazy that
Speaker 2: they're like, it's just it's just such a wild thing
Speaker 2: to evaluate someone for to be like, why do you
Speaker 2: think it would be better to have an abortion versus
Speaker 2: like having a whole fucking ass baby, Like you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's just wild. So I mean,
Speaker 2: was it how shortly after that that proceeding did they
Speaker 2: did you get like the email or whatever where they
Speaker 2: granted you the the uh permission?
Speaker 1: I got it immediately. They like it's like a actual
Speaker 1: like core document that you have to like bring to
Speaker 1: the clinic to like show that like they allowed you.
Speaker 1: They're don't like fax it or anything. So I had
Speaker 1: to like get it in. I had to get it
Speaker 1: taxed over to me, which I had to go through
Speaker 1: like my boyfriend's aunt because I couldn't have it done
Speaker 1: at my house because my mom was going to see it.
Speaker 1: And then I had to because my state has like
Speaker 1: a at the time it did where you had to
Speaker 1: wait so many hours in between like your first initial
Speaker 1: visit and your like actual appointment visit, and so like
Speaker 1: at the time, my mom still has no idea any
Speaker 1: of this is happening or that I've been granted this,
Speaker 1: and so I have to drive me and my boyfriend
Speaker 1: have to drive two and a half hours to where
Speaker 1: the clinic is like from where I live. And so
Speaker 1: I had to make up an excuse that we needed
Speaker 1: to sleep in my boyfriend's house or like we were
Speaker 1: going to sleep ay my boyfriend's house for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: just so we could go like drive it two and
Speaker 1: a half hours to the appointment. And so we like
Speaker 1: we go to the appointment, I do like what I
Speaker 1: need to do, like all the necessarily like blood work,
Speaker 1: they ask if I have any questions that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and then I have to go back a week later
Speaker 1: for the actual procedure. So I've been like this whole time,
Speaker 1: like I've been to like the clinic and everything, and
Speaker 1: like I'm just like trying so hard not that my
Speaker 1: mom like hear any of my calls or like seeing
Speaker 1: anything like that or like any of the like paperwork
Speaker 1: that they gave me or anything like that. And then
Speaker 1: on the like day of the actual procedure, I had
Speaker 1: to like or the night before actually I had to
Speaker 1: lie again and say that we were sleeping at my
Speaker 1: boyfriend's house because of like whatever reason. And the actual
Speaker 1: day of the procedure it was like an eight hour
Speaker 1: day because I wasn't allowed to have my phone and
Speaker 1: it was like thirty other women there like having like
Speaker 1: some kind of put like a woman made procedure done,
Speaker 1: And so the whole time I'm in there, I don't
Speaker 1: have my phone. My boyfriend has my phone, and he
Speaker 1: tells me like whenever I get out, my mom was
Speaker 1: blowing up my phone call after call, text after text.
Speaker 1: She's like, I know you're there, I know you're doing this.
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling answer me, why aren't you
Speaker 1: answering me? And my boyfriend's like trying to text her
Speaker 1: like as it's me, but she like keeps trying to call,
Speaker 1: and it was just oh it was When I got
Speaker 1: out of there and I finally called her, it was
Speaker 1: it was not pretty.
Speaker 2: What was that conversation, Like, well, I was really drugged up.
Speaker 1: Let me first by saying that like they had given
Speaker 1: me like some like really strong anti nausea stuff, and
Speaker 1: so I was like fairly conscious, like I was like
Speaker 1: half asleep, half not and like I had just gotten
Speaker 1: this like procedure done, so I was like, obviously not
Speaker 1: in the right state of mind, and she I was
Speaker 1: like I answered, I'm like hello, and she's like Arianna,
Speaker 1: where are you? And like at that point, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's already happened. There's no use of lying. I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the city and she and then she's
Speaker 1: like why are you there? And I'm like because I
Speaker 1: did the thing and like I told her, and she
Speaker 1: just like lets out the most like heart wrenching scream
Speaker 1: cry like she could like like she lost her own child,
Speaker 1: Like it was so crazy and it's so it's so
Speaker 1: crazy that I can still hear that that scream. And
Speaker 1: she was just like, how dare you do this to me?
Speaker 1: Like I said, no, this, this and that, and I'm
Speaker 1: like I can't really talk right now, like I'll be
Speaker 1: home in a few hours. And so we end up
Speaker 1: driving back and I'm like passed out the whole time,
Speaker 1: and I just like end up like she texted me
Speaker 1: like not that I'm home. So I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: So I like I just I sit at my boyfriend's house.
Speaker 1: And then the next day, I like I go to
Speaker 1: get my car because I like, I'm just she's kicking
Speaker 1: me out. So I'm just like I go and I
Speaker 1: just like I have my hands up and my boyfriend's
Speaker 1: like in his car and I'm like, I'm just here
Speaker 1: to get my clothes in my car, that's it. And
Speaker 1: she was like she called me a murderer. First off,
Speaker 1: she literally chased me out of the house, calling me
Speaker 1: a murderer, in front of all of our neighbors on
Speaker 1: the street, in front of everybody. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to get my car in my clothes. Mom,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to hear my car and my clothes.
Speaker 1: And then she's like just calling me a murderer all
Speaker 1: this and that I'm like in full blown tears at
Speaker 1: this point, like and I just I just get in
Speaker 1: the car and I leave because I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not getting my clothes on my car.
Speaker 2: So have had you been? Did you ever go back
Speaker 2: and get your stuff from the house?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? There's like a lot more after that. So
Speaker 1: like a few days go by and she like eventually
Speaker 1: lets me back in the house and like we have
Speaker 1: like kind of like a heart to heart and I
Speaker 1: like tell her my side, she tells me her side,
Speaker 1: and I reside was basically just all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she like became religious and like she couldn't imagine killing
Speaker 1: her own flesh and blood, and I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You've never taken me to church before, and so like
Speaker 1: that was kind of like her preposition like looking at
Speaker 1: it and why she couldn't like allow it because it
Speaker 1: was technically like she just kind of understood that it
Speaker 1: was her choice and not my choice, and so she
Speaker 1: was like, I can't allow this. If it's my choice,
Speaker 1: I can't allow this. But I was able to like
Speaker 1: move back in and like we were okay for a
Speaker 1: few months and then so mind you this whole time,
Speaker 1: like before I got pregnant and like right after I
Speaker 1: had the first proteacher, I was on breake control, Like
Speaker 1: I religiously took my breath control with my vitamins in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 2: And you said, got pregnant on breath control, yep.
Speaker 1: And I got pregnant again on birth control like three
Speaker 1: months later.
Speaker 2: So I know you said this, I know you said
Speaker 2: that happened again, but just I guess real quick, I'm
Speaker 2: so so you and your mom kind of like so
Speaker 2: tensions were like incredibly crazy fucking high. She chases you
Speaker 2: out of the house and then how many days later
Speaker 2: is it that you guys like you know, I want
Speaker 2: to say to this talk to each other.
Speaker 1: Maybe five days to a week we didn't have any.
Speaker 2: Contact, and how's that happen? Does she does she reach out?
Speaker 2: Did you reach out?
Speaker 1: I want to say, she reached out? And because like
Speaker 1: this whole time, I'm like living at my boyfriend's house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so but it's like this happened. I want to say,
Speaker 1: it was like kind of the last two weeks of May,
Speaker 1: like whenever she called me that and like we didn't talk,
Speaker 1: and then by like the first of June she like
Speaker 1: let me back in the house. So I want to say,
Speaker 1: because my grandma was like also really heavily involved, but
Speaker 1: she's like she's like very religious, but like she like
Speaker 1: still loves me. She was like kind of like mending
Speaker 1: the sense of like I don't want you to do this,
Speaker 1: but I understand it's your choice, but you're doing this,
Speaker 1: but you're doing that. And so I think, like I
Speaker 1: think va me talking to my grandma and explaining my
Speaker 1: point of view and how I'm seeing things and her
Speaker 1: talking to my mom kind of ease the barrier because
Speaker 1: like she was kind of the division between us, so
Speaker 1: like we were getting both each other's points via my
Speaker 1: grandma who was like a very neutral influence between us both.
Speaker 1: Like I knew she supported my mom, but I knew
Speaker 1: she also supported me, and I think my mom knew
Speaker 1: the same. So I think like because my grandma was
Speaker 1: able to like talk to her and kind of like
Speaker 1: explain my side a little bit more and like kind
Speaker 1: of like almost as a mom talked to her, been like, look,
Speaker 1: this is your child, like you know, like she made
Speaker 1: a choice for herself. I think that kind of like
Speaker 1: my mom off the fence. And also she had stopped
Speaker 1: using like once I had gotten the procedure done, and
Speaker 1: she had like she's like I want to say, she
Speaker 1: went full dry like killed and drinking for a bit.
Speaker 1: I want to say, for maybe like a month or two.
Speaker 1: And so I think like her her being sober to
Speaker 1: like helped ease her forgiveness to me.
Speaker 2: M M. And so okay, you have the procedure. Everything
Speaker 2: blows up around five days later, your grandma talks a
Speaker 2: little bit of sense into your mom. You and your
Speaker 2: mom have a rekindling of sorts. And in that rekindling,
Speaker 2: you know, are you you go back you go back
Speaker 2: home and you you were living at your boyfriend's for
Speaker 2: those five days and then you go back home and
Speaker 2: you live in your house with your mom again. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: And how are you feeling with with your mom? Is
Speaker 2: the ore? The tensions like lower at this port. Are
Speaker 2: you guys able to like, you know, be around each other?
Speaker 1: Was like, it's very obvious that she still has a
Speaker 1: lot of resentment and anger towards me. But in like
Speaker 1: the first month, it wasn't that bad because I had
Speaker 1: ended up. I got a job like really soon after,
Speaker 1: and so I was just like literally working forty forty
Speaker 1: five hours a week, like just trying to be out
Speaker 1: of the house as much as physically possible. And then
Speaker 1: like the rest of the time I would just like
Speaker 1: be at my boyfriends or hanging out with him. So
Speaker 1: I was out of the house pretty much from like
Speaker 1: morning until night.
Speaker 2: And so you get pregnant again, Yeah, and you're on
Speaker 2: and so you're on birth control, but you got pregnant
Speaker 2: on birth control twice? Yeah? Is that like a statistical anomaly?
Speaker 1: Yeah? My like my OV was like I, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm seeing you again, Like they like they couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it themselves because they had prescribed me as the
Speaker 1: birth control both times, and it had worked for three
Speaker 1: two years beforehand, like I had had sex and had
Speaker 1: never never gotten pregnant.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's crazy. What what is the I mean, what's what?
Speaker 2: What's the math on that? Do you know?
Speaker 1: Maybe like one out of one hundred to five hundred thousand, maybe, man,
Speaker 1: maybe more.
Speaker 2: You know, if only you only you gotta if only
Speaker 2: you gotta scratch off instead of a baby, I know, right.
Speaker 1: If only I was legal enough so it could be
Speaker 1: a millionaire.
Speaker 2: So I mean, tell me, man, what what what happened?
Speaker 2: What happens the second go round?
Speaker 1: Okay, so before the second time, my mom ended up
Speaker 1: suing the state. Like my mom was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe this law exists. I can't believe you would take
Speaker 1: that choice out of parents, right, And so my mom
Speaker 1: ended up suing the state.
Speaker 2: Your mom swore the state. Your mom sued the state
Speaker 2: and one wait, okay, hold on, this is this is
Speaker 2: this is now, this is before you get pregnant the
Speaker 2: second time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like right after she found out in
Speaker 1: the first one, so like, that's what happens. So like
Speaker 1: basically she like she teamed up with this group of
Speaker 1: pro life lawyers and like wrote a letter to the
Speaker 1: legislative being like, this is my experience, and then like
Speaker 1: said exactly what happened. As a parent, I can't believe
Speaker 1: this law exists, YadA, YadA, YadA, And I guess it
Speaker 1: caused enough uproar that they changed the law to where
Speaker 1: if you wanted, oh it's called judicial bypass. If you
Speaker 1: want a judicial bypass, you had to now go in
Speaker 1: court in your parish instead of the parish that the
Speaker 1: clinic was in, which is why I was doing online
Speaker 1: zoom because I was meeting with a judge two and
Speaker 1: a half hours away. So now if you wanted that,
Speaker 1: you had to do it in your parish. And so
Speaker 1: Louisiana has like I don't know, maybe like sixty something parishes,
Speaker 1: only three of them ever saw these type of cases.
Speaker 1: So by the time my second one rolls around, I
Speaker 1: have to be the guinea pig of my parish's judicial
Speaker 1: system and testing whether or not they're going to allow
Speaker 1: me this because it's never happened before. Because the law
Speaker 1: had just changed.
Speaker 2: All right, I have a stupid all right, we got
Speaker 2: We'll get into this, but I have a stupid question.
Speaker 1: First, there's no stupid questions.
Speaker 2: What all right? What is a parish?
Speaker 1: Okay? A parish is like a county. It's like Louisiana's
Speaker 1: version of county.
Speaker 2: Ah, okay, all right, thought it was like a church.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought it was a church.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a church because there's like a
Speaker 2: left you know, Left for Dead. No, this is a
Speaker 2: video game. It's called Left for Dead. It's in the
Speaker 2: in Left for Dead too, there's a fucking uh map
Speaker 2: called and has the word perish in it, and it
Speaker 2: takes place in a church. Whatever. Okay? So okay, So
Speaker 2: your mom fucking sues, the state wins changes the laws
Speaker 2: so that you can't go to a different county to
Speaker 2: get your judicial bypass, And so now you get pregnant
Speaker 2: a second time, uh one in one hundred thousand chants,
Speaker 2: and now you have to be the first person to
Speaker 2: uh get your judicial bypass exclusively in the county that
Speaker 2: you are local to.
Speaker 1: Yes, And my mother knew about the second one because
Speaker 1: she came to the hospital with me because I thought
Speaker 1: I was just sick and I ended up testing positive
Speaker 1: And so she found out at the exact same time
Speaker 1: as me.
Speaker 2: Your mom, Yeah, and what happened then.
Speaker 1: She told like I told her I wasn't gonna have it,
Speaker 1: and she said, well, don't bother coming back to the
Speaker 1: house and got up, got out of the hospital room
Speaker 1: and left me.
Speaker 2: Was that the last time you saw her?
Speaker 1: No? Ironically, she got up left, I had to like
Speaker 1: call my boyfriend to come pick me up. I like
Speaker 1: got in contact with those people again, and like we
Speaker 1: started the process to like do it in my county.
Speaker 2: And my whole thing all over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my mom ended up suing me and the state. Well,
Speaker 1: she sued everybody. So she sued me, She sues the
Speaker 1: attorney general, she sees the governor, and she sues the
Speaker 1: like legislative branch.
Speaker 2: Did she win?
Speaker 1: No, because so ironic, Oh my god, everything about this
Speaker 1: story is ironic. But ironic enough. My court date ended
Speaker 1: up being one day before hers. So I went in
Speaker 1: front of this old white man and I'm like this
Speaker 1: five six white like blonde white girl, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: please please have this uh, And he's like he asks
Speaker 1: me kind of like the same series of questions, although
Speaker 1: he's just as confused as pretty much everyone else because
Speaker 1: he has no idea like what the marker for maturity
Speaker 1: is in this case, because he's never seen a case
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Oh so this is this is this county's first time
Speaker 2: even doing these kind of like procedures.
Speaker 1: I'm the very first one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, And so you.
Speaker 1: Know, he asks me kind of like the same series
Speaker 1: of questions like what's your life, Like, what's your dreams
Speaker 1: with your goals and your aspirations? Is the father still involved?
Speaker 1: Does he support you? Like what's your family situation like?
Speaker 1: And like, so at this point I was able to
Speaker 1: tell him like, yeah, I'm homeless, like I got picked
Speaker 1: out of my house, Like it's I barely have enough
Speaker 1: money to pay for this procedure and these coordinarings by itself,
Speaker 1: let alone like actually having a baby. And so I
Speaker 1: think those kind of like surrealish things I think really
Speaker 1: helped my side, and he ended up allowing me, which
Speaker 1: I was very surprised about. I thought we were going
Speaker 1: to have to appeal because my lawyer had prepared me
Speaker 1: like in face of rejection, like you know, like don't cry,
Speaker 1: just like just breathe, like, we'll go to appeals like
Speaker 1: right after this. We'll be okay.
Speaker 2: And it different lawyer from last.
Speaker 1: Time, right, yeah, this is this is this one like
Speaker 1: kind of lived in my area. He like was associated
Speaker 1: with the group, but he lived. But he had to
Speaker 1: like physically be present with me this time.
Speaker 2: And so now you're you're not on zoom anymore. This
Speaker 2: time you're here in a place.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like in my in my local.
Speaker 2: Courthouse, okay, And so what happens?
Speaker 1: And so my mom is basically like suing for a
Speaker 1: temporary restraining order on like any court proceeding dealing with me.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Sorry dinner, rup, but she's okay, so you said, she okay,
Speaker 2: So she's suing like five differ people. She's fucking sue
Speaker 2: in the court house. She's suing, you said, she sued you?
Speaker 2: How did what the fuck? What is what's her grounds
Speaker 2: for a lawsuit against you?
Speaker 1: So I'm not too sure what the like legal jargon
Speaker 1: of it was. But she had teamed up with the
Speaker 1: lawyer like the same group of pro life lawyers and
Speaker 1: then another lawyer from Californi and basically their their whole
Speaker 1: legal stance was to stop me from retaining this judicial bypass,
Speaker 1: so that then their court proceedings against the state for
Speaker 1: allowing something something along the lines of stopping me from
Speaker 1: getting the judicial bypass to then allow their court proceedings
Speaker 1: to go on and duke out whether or not this
Speaker 1: is legal or not or whether.
Speaker 2: Oh so they okay, So they their whole thing was
Speaker 2: they want to stop your procedure so that they can
Speaker 2: hope to win again, to get you to not be
Speaker 2: able to get your judicial bypass. Yes, that's fucking, that's
Speaker 2: pretty fucked.
Speaker 1: And she won, but it was won. It was one
Speaker 1: day too wait, because their court day was after mine.
Speaker 1: I had already been granted it. So I had already
Speaker 1: gone to already gone to the clinic, like cause the
Speaker 1: day that my court hearing was, I had an appointment
Speaker 1: at like at the clinic again, and so I was
Speaker 1: able to Right after I left the courthouse, I went
Speaker 1: straight there and then I started the medication. And once
Speaker 1: you start the medication, and after it's been so long,
Speaker 1: it can't stop. So by time twenty four hours later
Speaker 1: and it was their court hearing, I was already past
Speaker 1: the point where there was no salvation.
Speaker 2: Dude, So all right, so you get your judicial bypass
Speaker 2: granted by this local parish and then like a day after,
Speaker 2: your mom wins her court case to prevent anyone from
Speaker 2: being able to get judicial bypass.
Speaker 1: Yes, anyone in the entire state.
Speaker 2: Really mm hmm, that's fucking crazy man. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then my like so at this time, like my
Speaker 1: mom is not letting me live with her, like I
Speaker 1: am fan barred all of the above, and so my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: I'm like kind of living with my boyfriend and his aunt,
Speaker 1: and his aunt ends up kicking me out too. And
Speaker 1: it's she really doesn't like me, Like she understood our
Speaker 1: circumstances and like she wants the best for her like
Speaker 1: her nephew, but she really doesn't like me. We've just
Speaker 1: never gotten along. It's something personal, I don't think. But
Speaker 1: it had to do with like smoking weed and like
Speaker 1: that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Is she also like a crazy religious person.
Speaker 1: No, she's actually really cool. That was that was the
Speaker 1: weird thing about it. Is like she lets, like her
Speaker 1: son and like her nephew, smoke, but like whenever it
Speaker 1: came to me, like she thought I was like a
Speaker 1: bad influence.
Speaker 2: So now in the state of Louisiana, know like, if
Speaker 2: you're sixteen and you get pregnant, you cannot and your
Speaker 2: mom like forces you to have a baby. You cannot
Speaker 2: get judicial bypass to get an abortion.
Speaker 1: Well not since Rogie Waite overturned. You just can't get
Speaker 1: an abortion in Louisiana. But before it was. But then
Speaker 1: she once she figured out I had gotten my abortion,
Speaker 1: she dropped her lawsuit because she was like, there's no
Speaker 1: point in pursuing this if my daughter, because if I
Speaker 1: would have ever gotten pregnant, like right after I would
Speaker 1: have been eighteen, would have been able to time for
Speaker 1: my own.
Speaker 2: So so after you get your second abortion, your mom
Speaker 2: stops fighting everyone because she's just like, well, there's no
Speaker 2: point anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just lets go.
Speaker 2: So all right, so you you were you were living
Speaker 2: with all right, So you get your second abortion, your
Speaker 2: mom is like doing whatever. You're living with your boyfriend
Speaker 2: and his aunt and then his aunt kicks you out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then where do you go from there?
Speaker 1: Well? I kind of just like like I lived in
Speaker 1: my car for like a couple of days, but then
Speaker 1: like that wasn't really I couldn't really do that and
Speaker 1: go to school because I was still in school, like
Speaker 1: I was able to enroll back in school for my
Speaker 1: senior year. So I was like, well, this kind of
Speaker 1: can't work. So I called up my godfather, who was
Speaker 1: extremely religious and like he knew everything that was going on,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, this is a situation, like
Speaker 1: I'm working on getting emancipated to like be able to
Speaker 1: sign to my own apartment, but because I'm not in
Speaker 1: no apartment complex, will let me sign? Can I stay
Speaker 1: with you for a few months? And thank him? I
Speaker 1: thank him every day he let me stay with him.
Speaker 1: I didn't know staying with him for probably four months
Speaker 1: before I was able to get into my apartment and
Speaker 1: move out. But I got emancipated in that time. My
Speaker 1: lawyer like saw what my mom was doing and like
Speaker 1: all the litigation, and he was like, hell, I'll help
Speaker 1: you get emancipated, like no charge if you want to.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, please.
Speaker 2: So you get emancipate when you're like what seventeen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it ended up. I ended up. I think it
Speaker 1: was November fourth, twenty twenty one. I was seventeen. My mom.
Speaker 1: My mom was gonna try and fight it with one
Speaker 1: of her lawyer friends. But whenever, like I told her,
Speaker 1: who I was gonna like have his witness, like her
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend and like some other family members who she
Speaker 1: kind of sucked over. She was like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: a losing battle.
Speaker 2: Goddamn dude. So all right, so you get emancipated, and
Speaker 2: then what do you do? What do you do? From there?
Speaker 2: You're living with your I'm sorry you said your your uncle.
Speaker 1: My godfather. He was like kind of like my father
Speaker 1: figure in my life, okay, and so I just kind
Speaker 1: of live with him. I live with him until the
Speaker 1: end of January, from like November, from like October November
Speaker 1: ish till January twenty twenty two, and then me and
Speaker 1: my boyfriend moved into our apartment. And I'm still a
Speaker 1: senior in high school right now.
Speaker 2: Where you're senior high school right now?
Speaker 1: No, I was. I was at the time.
Speaker 2: So so you're like seventeen eighteen, you're senior in high school.
Speaker 2: You and your boyfriend moved to an apartment. How are
Speaker 2: you paying for it? Do you guys have a job?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was. I was working since right after
Speaker 1: my first one, and then he had been working since
Speaker 1: like six months before. So we were both like and
Speaker 1: we were both high school seniors just like working like
Speaker 1: normal stops. Like I was working at Starbucks and he
Speaker 1: was working at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: How'd you get time to work while being in high school?
Speaker 1: Well, because I was a senior, I only had two classes,
Speaker 1: Like those were only the credits I need to be
Speaker 1: finished because I was like smart and did like some
Speaker 1: of my credits in middle school. But I didn't have
Speaker 1: to have like a full.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you didn't have to go to school.
Speaker 2: So you were going to high school like a part
Speaker 2: time and then on like a work release after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was like going to school from like
Speaker 1: seven to nine thirty and then I was like at
Speaker 1: work from like either like ten to five, where like
Speaker 1: I would work the closing like twelve to nine thirty.
Speaker 2: And that was an I know a lot of like
Speaker 2: did you like from from like the Starbucks and the
Speaker 2: grocery street. You guys were able to make rent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actually pretty cheap. It was only like
Speaker 1: five hundred whenever we first moved in.
Speaker 2: Damn it was what a one bedroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a one bedroom condo.
Speaker 2: It was like downstairs one bedroom condo.
Speaker 1: Five hundred bucks a month, just no, a one bedroom.
Speaker 2: Well a one bedroom five hundred bucks a month. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty fucking good, especially between two of you guys. Yeah, jeez,
Speaker 2: oh my god. And so have you? Are you still
Speaker 2: is that where you're still living now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And so I graduate.
Speaker 2: And now you're in college college? What do you study?
Speaker 1: Microbiology?
Speaker 2: Wow? And your boyfriend, what's you do?
Speaker 1: He still works at the same grocery store, but he
Speaker 1: works in like the meat department.
Speaker 2: Cool, he likes and does stuff. What's what's what's the
Speaker 2: what's the hope and dream for you?
Speaker 1: Definitely move out of his town, definitely, probably states, maybe countries.
Speaker 1: I kind of just want to live like a little
Speaker 1: farm life in a cottage in like the mountains and
Speaker 1: just garden.
Speaker 2: So did you ever talk to your mom again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? About like whenever I was moving in, she like
Speaker 1: slowly started to like integrate her way back into my life.
Speaker 1: Like she offered like bias a TV and like bias groceries,
Speaker 1: and like I was pissed, poor broke at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny the help. So she like
Speaker 1: slowly started to ease her way in that way. And
Speaker 1: then now it's crazy to say, but we're actually kind
Speaker 1: of cool. It's like really not really mother daughter. We're
Speaker 1: like more so just friends. Yeah, But I mean, like
Speaker 1: she tells me all of her drama with her. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like her therapist in a way. Really, Like
Speaker 1: I just kind of listen to her drama and stuff
Speaker 1: and I give her advice. And that's about as far
Speaker 1: as our relationship goes. I mean, it's not been ever
Speaker 1: too personal.
Speaker 2: So you and your mom, so, I mean, goddamn, your
Speaker 2: mom like just makes your life fucking hell for you know,
Speaker 2: two years during this crazy difficult time, she's doing all
Speaker 2: this insane litigation stuff really not being a mom. And
Speaker 2: then later like what what's the deal? So she starts
Speaker 2: like slowly like integrating herself back into like I guess, okay,
Speaker 2: so she leaves, So okay, so you're in the hospital,
Speaker 2: you find out that you're pregnant again, she leaves. You
Speaker 2: don't hear from her much, I guess, except her like
Speaker 2: suing everyone. And then when does she start to come
Speaker 2: back into your life?
Speaker 1: And how well, Like after I got emancipated, she started
Speaker 1: the only contact she had on me was email. So
Speaker 1: she just started emailing me like once a week, just
Speaker 1: giving updates about her life and like asking how I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and I never responded. I would just like look at them,
Speaker 1: how I'd read them, I kind of sigh, and then
Speaker 1: I would just delete them. And that went on for
Speaker 1: probably about three months. And then like whenever we were
Speaker 1: moving in, I still had some stuff at my mom's house,
Speaker 1: so I needed to like go back to like get
Speaker 1: directed myself, like my bed was still there and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and she was gonna let me take it,
Speaker 1: and so all of our context was like between my grandma,
Speaker 1: so like I would just ask my grandma to ask
Speaker 1: her like when I could go and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then whenever, like I got to her house, we
Speaker 1: just kind of got to talking and it was like
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird to say, but it was like
Speaker 1: you could feel the tension like from the stuff that
Speaker 1: just happened. But it was also kind of like normal
Speaker 1: in a way because my mom's like always kind of
Speaker 1: done me dirty, Like she's kind of always done me wrong,
Speaker 1: So like us being in that situation where like her
Speaker 1: asking for forgiveness and like asking to be left back
Speaker 1: into my life isn't something new, so I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like I guess used to that. I'm like used to
Speaker 1: her asking to come back, and.
Speaker 2: Every end, despite everything, you found the strength to is
Speaker 2: is forgive her the right word? Would you say you've
Speaker 2: forgiven her by letting her back into your life?
Speaker 1: I think I think I have. I think I've forgiven.
Speaker 1: I just haven't forgot. Like it's still it just bawns
Speaker 1: on me sometimes, like especially whenever like we talk about
Speaker 1: like certain topics and stuff like that. But I think,
Speaker 1: for the most part, like I understand, like I understand
Speaker 1: a lot of it is due to like her drugs
Speaker 1: and her alcoholism and how selfish that can make her,
Speaker 1: and how like during that time, the drugs were definitely
Speaker 1: not helping and probably just feeling into her selfishness, and
Speaker 1: so like I guess I kind of recognize that, and
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of not like blame, but like
Speaker 1: m I guess I expect her to do that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff because of the drugs. So like in a way,
Speaker 1: I know it's not her, Like I know it's not
Speaker 1: like my my mom that's doing that, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah it does does. I mean, that's a lot of
Speaker 2: so so she's you're kind of like her therapist now,
Speaker 2: like she'll come to you for like advice, and to events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like she's dating this guy who has the
Speaker 1: same name as her ex, and so like whenever they
Speaker 1: first started dating, she like would come to me and
Speaker 1: she'd be like do I tell him? Do I not
Speaker 1: tell him? And then like she just like there's like
Speaker 1: I definitely have boundaries with her, but she has no
Speaker 1: boundaries with me. Like any topic in her life is
Speaker 1: like completely okay to talk about with me. So like
Speaker 1: she's like talking to me about like their like their
Speaker 1: intimacy like compared to her ex and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and asking like my opinion on that, or like asking
Speaker 1: like if she should text them or if she should
Speaker 1: not text them.
Speaker 2: Really? Wow, man, Yeah, your mom's a doozy.
Speaker 1: Is She's something that's for sure?
Speaker 2: And uh, I mean, how do you feel, like do
Speaker 2: you being in this uh after this whole entire crazy saga,
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you how do you feel about
Speaker 2: being in this position with her?
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean, honestly, I think I'm just relieved because
Speaker 1: the situation could have gone a lot worse. Like I
Speaker 1: mean I could have two babies right now, or I
Speaker 1: can have a baby and see at college and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, And so I think because things worked out
Speaker 1: in my favor the way I wanted them to. Gives
Speaker 1: me a lot of room to be gracious, like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna have a forever child, reminding me of what
Speaker 1: my mom tried to do with me, Like I don't
Speaker 1: have that forever scar unless like I really like think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: M hm m m yeah, yeah, because I mean, look, man,
Speaker 2: right now, you know, being twenty and living in this
Speaker 2: apartment and you're working, going to school, you're doing all
Speaker 2: these things. I mean you really, I mean, you could
Speaker 2: do it with if you had a kid, but it'd
Speaker 2: be a thousand fucking times harder, and then you know,
Speaker 2: you'd build resentment, you'd build further that meant for your mom,
Speaker 2: and that might lead into resentment for the kid, and
Speaker 2: it would just have been a been a fucking you
Speaker 2: know disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was never a healthy situation to start with.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just real quick, I'm gonna ask if the
Speaker 2: chat has any questions for you, because this has been
Speaker 2: a by the way, I want to thank you. I'll
Speaker 2: let the chat put some questions and I'll pick some
Speaker 2: questions from the chat, but I want I want to
Speaker 2: thank you for talking to us about this. This whole
Speaker 2: crazy story. I hope it was beneficial or helpful to
Speaker 2: you to to talk through. I mean, it's it's totally wild,
Speaker 2: and I have I have tons of respect for you
Speaker 2: for for a lot of things. For you know, your
Speaker 2: your ability to continue to have a relationship with your
Speaker 2: mom withstanding all of these, uhwithstanding this whole saga, and
Speaker 2: for your ability to stay strong throughout it all and
Speaker 2: to kind of be able to emerge, you know, with
Speaker 2: a with a good, happy life on the other end
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's see here, someone wants to know if you have
Speaker 2: advice for any if you have advice for women in
Speaker 2: similar scenarios.
Speaker 1: Go with your good feeling, because I have never regretted
Speaker 1: my choices ever in the slightest, not one bit. It's
Speaker 1: a really hard decision, and I completely empathize with you,
Speaker 1: but just always do what's best for you, no matter
Speaker 1: what anybody thinks, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you got to live with a choice.
Speaker 2: Someone asked, do you ever want a kid.
Speaker 1: To be determined? After being really sick that first time?
Speaker 1: New research has found out that it's actually genetic, So
Speaker 1: if I ever do become pregnant again, it might happen again,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's something that I'm willing
Speaker 1: to like put my life at risk, and adoption is
Speaker 1: always a good option. I think if I ever want
Speaker 1: a child in my life, but I don't have, I
Speaker 1: have really big aspirations to travel and to live my
Speaker 1: life to the extent, and if a child fits in there,
Speaker 1: then a child fits in. But if not, I don't
Speaker 1: have any desire right now.
Speaker 2: Someone said, what kept you going when it looked dire?
Speaker 1: My boyfriend was a really big help. He was a
Speaker 1: really big support to lean on and to just hear
Speaker 1: me vent over and over about my mom and how
Speaker 1: I can believe it. We'd helped a lot. My anxiety
Speaker 1: was really bad, like my sickness was really bad, and
Speaker 1: just thinking about my future. Honestly, I've always been a
Speaker 1: big dreamer. That kind of always helped me. When I
Speaker 1: was younger and my mom was using and I was scared,
Speaker 1: so I just kept dreaming of like my dream vacations
Speaker 1: and I would just plan them out in my head
Speaker 1: whenever I got over anxious, and that like always helped
Speaker 1: calm me down because I always had something to look
Speaker 1: forward to and all look about. Uh.
Speaker 2: Someone asked which fast food joint you think has the
Speaker 2: best French fries?
Speaker 1: Ooh ooh m McDonald's when they're crispy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've been Actually, i've been into Burger King recently.
Speaker 2: I was at a Burger King at the airport and
Speaker 2: they have all these like breakfast options. It was like
Speaker 2: seven in the morning and they have all these breakfast options,
Speaker 2: but at the very bottom it's it's a tab and
Speaker 2: it literally says on the tablet, do you want a
Speaker 2: whopper for breakfast? And I was like, I kind of
Speaker 2: do when So I had a whopper and fries at
Speaker 2: seven in the morning. It was pretty good. I don't
Speaker 2: know why I threw that in there, but let's see
Speaker 2: if there's a Oh okay, I actually this is the
Speaker 2: last one, and I'm curious about this. Where do you
Speaker 2: want to go? You said you want to travel a lot.
Speaker 2: What's your dream destination?
Speaker 1: Oh? My dream is probably the man that's hard, probably Italy.
Speaker 1: I really like Italian culture or like Italian food too.
Speaker 1: But I have a trip plan in Scotland and Ireland
Speaker 1: next summer, right after the finals of my junior year,
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited for that.
Speaker 2: What's your name? Again, Ariana, Ariana, Well, Ariana, look, I'll
Speaker 2: say it again. I mean, dude, like going through all
Speaker 2: this shit, having you know, especially without your dad and
Speaker 2: with your mom being crazy, and it's just I'm inspired
Speaker 2: by how you were able to deal with all this
Speaker 2: shit and then still come back on top and you're
Speaker 2: out here living your best life and you're making it
Speaker 2: work and you seem like you're happy, and you know,
Speaker 2: congrats to you on all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Thanks Gak.
Speaker 2: Well, is there anything else that you want to say
Speaker 2: to the people of the computer or about the story,
Speaker 2: or about French fries or anything at all before we go?
Speaker 1: Make good choices. If you don't make good choices, you
Speaker 1: can always change them.
Speaker 2: Well, take care, Arianna, and thank you for calling and
Speaker 2: sharing your story.
Speaker 1: Thanks gag later, dude later.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. I mean, I you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very lucky I have I have supportive, supportive parents because
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, it's one thing, like it's
Speaker 2: one thing like being a like if you're gonna be
Speaker 2: like a piece of shit in your own universe, right
Speaker 2: like self destructive and you know, make bad choices like
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, I get it, But to
Speaker 2: do all of that as like a as like an attack
Speaker 2: on your own child. This is fucked up. So whatever
Speaker 2: I mean. I also, I really do, I really have
Speaker 2: a deep respect for Arianna, Like, after all that man,
Speaker 2: after all that, she still is will she's willing to
Speaker 2: hang out with her mom and give her boy advice.
Speaker 2: I mean that takes a lot of that kind of forgiveness.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of character, it really does to
Speaker 2: do all that, to like to take all that like
Speaker 2: evil stuff her mom was doing and then recognize that
Speaker 2: beneath all of that is a woman who is struggling
Speaker 2: with her addiction and her you know, drug abuse and
Speaker 2: alcoholism and problems with her own relationships and of course
Speaker 2: and look, she could look at all that and be like,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. I'm not responsible for that.
Speaker 2: You're a grown woman. You can handle it. And you know,
Speaker 2: she can do that if she wanted to do. But
Speaker 2: this is not what she did. She recognized it and
Speaker 2: she went, you know what, I'll be your girly, you know,
Speaker 2: send tell me about this guy. And I really have
Speaker 2: a deep respect for that. It reminds me of I've
Speaker 2: talked about this before. I've talked about fucking toy story
Speaker 2: Toy Story three. It reminds me of that scene in
Speaker 2: Toy Story three where lots of hugging where they fucking uh,
Speaker 2: lots of hugging Bear. He had just fucked over all
Speaker 2: of the toys and he was just fucking them over.
Speaker 2: He was scheming hard to fuck them over, and he does,
Speaker 2: and he sends them all onto the track. But then
Speaker 2: he also gets sent into the trash and all the
Speaker 2: toys are like grabbing metal stuff to like avoid the incinerator.
Speaker 2: You guys know what I'm talking about. And then they're
Speaker 2: about to like get over the incinerator when lots of
Speaker 2: hugging Bear is like, help me. I'm stuck. I'm stumped
Speaker 2: down here. I'm stuck. I need help, and do you
Speaker 2: know and ever and everyone's like, come on, Woody, we
Speaker 2: gotta go fucking leave him. He's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Leave him. And then what does Woody do? It makes
Speaker 2: me cry to think about it every time. What does
Speaker 2: Woody do? Because he's Woody and he has this like
Speaker 2: immaculate character to him, he fucking goes down there and
Speaker 2: he saves lots of hugging Bear from the incinerator because
Speaker 2: that's the kind of guy he is. And then do
Speaker 2: you know what lots of huggin Bear does. He fucks
Speaker 2: them over again. It's insane, It's insane. It's I think
Speaker 2: about this movie all the time. Anyway, I don't know,
Speaker 2: this just reminded me of that. Thank you for sharing
Speaker 2: your story, Arianna. Rep Cat goes on the line taking
Speaker 2: your phone calls every night. The repeak Can goes doing
Speaker 2: his eye who's teaching you to a hout in the
Speaker 2: middle of your life, but he's not really an expert.