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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and President Trump has suggested sending Tesla

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Speaker 1: vandals to prison.

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Speaker 2: In El Salvador. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 2: you today.

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Speaker 1: Slate's Dahlia Lithwick stops by to talk to us about

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's mixed messaging. Then we'll talk to legendary

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Speaker 1: economist Paul Krugman about Trump's continued crashing up the markets.

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Speaker 1: Plus we have a bonus from our YouTube channel where

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Speaker 1: I discuss how Democrats can effectively lead.

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Speaker 2: With The Bulwark's own Tim Miller. But first the.

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Speaker 3: News my only about two months into Trump's administration. I'm

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Speaker 3: tired of winning with the economy. I mean, all I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're being a little bit ironic here me.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing a touch a sarcasm. So the markets were

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Speaker 1: jubilant after Donald Trump won. There's a sort of fallacy

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Speaker 1: the Republicans are always good for the market, despite what

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Speaker 1: history shows. Trump has this trade war going. It mostly

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Speaker 1: mimics how he feels it's on. It's off, it's on,

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Speaker 1: it's off, you know, We saw this week that Laura

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Speaker 1: Ingram did an interview with Trump where she asked him

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Speaker 1: why he wanted to go to war with Canada.

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Speaker 2: His people were not pleased.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of maga pushback, mad at her

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Speaker 1: for asking the mango god king a question that wasn't laudatory.

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Speaker 1: Fox is still owned by someone who is not Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and that is a guy called Ruper Murdoch.

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Speaker 2: And Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: Is not the Sicka fan that Jadie Van says. So

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Speaker 1: Fox Knew suddenly panics about Trump's economy as a brutal

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Speaker 1: new poll hits. So Maria Bartiromo, who is the money honey,

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Speaker 1: and other Fox News personalities grow unnerved about Trump's economy.

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Speaker 1: A sharp observer of right wing media breaks down the

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Speaker 1: real for the alarm and why it make it worse.

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Speaker 1: So basically Fox News people are. They see what's happening.

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Speaker 1: They see the market giving up the gains of the

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Speaker 1: last two years. We see Scott Bassett, who is Trump's

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Speaker 1: room saying that perhaps maybe you know, a recession might

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Speaker 1: might be coming, which in itself. Is very unusual for

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Speaker 1: people an administration to talk about a recession, because remember,

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Speaker 1: they don't want a recession, and part of a recession

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Speaker 1: is you talk about a recession, you get a recession.

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Speaker 1: A new NBC poll finds that Trump's approval on the

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Speaker 1: economy is sinking.

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Speaker 2: Instead of like he.

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Speaker 1: Might have in from one point zero, instead of pausing

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Speaker 1: They're starting to sour on the state of the economy

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Speaker 1: and Trump's handling of it so far. This is reflected

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Speaker 1: in this new national NBC poll, bulloyed by jubilant and

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Speaker 1: unified Republicans who are starting in lockstep with Trump, the

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're seeing more and more. Right, and

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Speaker 1: Trump's approval rating well, still higher than it's been, is

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Speaker 3: Fun stuff. Speaking of the very bad job they're doing

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Speaker 3: on the economy. One of the things Howard Lutnik, who's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be really helping that along it, is encouraging

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Speaker 3: people to buy Tesla stock, which turns out the legality

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Speaker 1: Yes, so Connolly calls for an investigation into Lutnik. Here's

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Speaker 1: what's happening here. Lutnik went on too, he is probably

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Speaker 1: in this team. Latnik goes on television a lot. He

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Speaker 1: went on, he told people that they should buy Tesla. Now.

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Speaker 1: He he doesn't actually work for Elon Musk, though everyone

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Speaker 1: Jerry Connolly, who is ranking member of the House known

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Speaker 1: the ethical conflicts of Howard Lutnik. But you won't because

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Speaker 1: you have Jerry Connolly, who was it was his turn

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you watched the footage of

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Speaker 3: represent Harriet Hageman's town hall, but I've spent some time

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Speaker 1: Yes, Harriet Hageman, I would like to just provide a

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Speaker 1: little backstory. She occupies the one congressional seat in Wyoming

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. You may remember, Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney,

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Speaker 1: sufficiently trumpest. She has been replaced by Harriet Hageman, who

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Speaker 1: She gave a town hall and her people were not

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Speaker 1: taking it. They booed and chanted down. Her constituents were mad.

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Speaker 1: She said, Doge is not dismantling social Security. Hundreds of

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Speaker 1: this is the problem with Doge right, this is all

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Speaker 1: about tax cuts for very wealthy people, and you're cutting

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Speaker 1: Period paragraph. This has nothing to do with anything else.

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Speaker 1: There is no financial emergency. They are cutting the government

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Speaker 1: so that wealthy people can get taxes.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: So it's a hostile five hundred person craft. We're opposed

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Speaker 1: to Hegeman and elements of Trump's agenda. Like, I hope

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Speaker 1: there are people in Wyoming ready to run for that

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Speaker 1: seat right there. You know, you don't need to be

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Speaker 3: Seems like a lot of people are going to run.

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Speaker 3: And it is a cook plus twenty five pv I rating.

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Speaker 3: But uh yeah, but so what Yeah, No, I think

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Speaker 3: an independent could do very well there.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, go be the change. Don't wait for Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 1: Dahlia Lithwick is a senior editor at Slate and the

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Speaker 1: author of Lady Justice, Women, The Law and the Battle

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Speaker 1: to Save America. Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics, Dahlia, you

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Speaker 1: are my friend, but also like I think of you

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Speaker 1: as a sort of an oracle. I'm sorry to tell

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Speaker 1: you I take no pleasure in reporting that you are

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Speaker 1: an oracle.

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Speaker 4: Well, i'll take it. Did that come with a parade?

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Speaker 4: It does not, you in the content mills.

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Speaker 1: It comes with a little tiara made of daisies that

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Speaker 1: I have made for you, But they are invisible daisies. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so things are looking a little bit bleak right now,

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Speaker 1: but you are here to tell us why not to despair?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I can do that, just kidding.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, good, good, all right, I'll take it.

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Speaker 4: I'm the cheerful oracle trader.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's a reason we didn't have your co host,

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Speaker 1: who's so smart on Mark Joseph Mark, Yes, who's like

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Speaker 1: we'reng gonna die?

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a broken digger. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: So where are we right now?

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Speaker 1: With the slow rolling constitutional crisis?

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Speaker 4: So this has been the week, Mollie where I have

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Speaker 4: decided that weirdly enough, the are we or are we not?

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Speaker 4: In a constitutional crisis question is not only like wrong

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Speaker 4: literally feels like it's another iteration of like campaign coverage. Right,

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Speaker 4: And so I am trying to refocus by saying, yes,

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Speaker 4: it is clearly a constitutional crisis. When a judge says,

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Speaker 4: that has to do with this, you know, the Venezuelan migrants,

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Speaker 4: fair to say we're there. So then for me, the

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Speaker 4: of constitutional crisis. And so what I'm trying to think

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Speaker 4: we've labeled something a domestic constitutional crisis. We just say,

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Speaker 4: waiting for judges to tell you that we're in that moment,

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of where my head is, and I

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Speaker 4: figure out whether he wants to call it a constitutional

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Speaker 4: crisis can't be the play here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, basically, what's the same about Trump one point now

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Speaker 4: They lose overwhelmingly, they win almost never, and maybe more pointedly,

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Speaker 4: there's a system here. I think that I'm disinclined to

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Speaker 4: Really important to understand that this theory of unbounded executive

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Speaker 2: Whose kids work at ten companies and.

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Speaker 1: Who has been full on in this like tech, oligarchy

435
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Speaker 1: is perhaps not the person we want to lead.

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Speaker 4: Us, okay first of, all that should be set to

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Speaker 4: music or printed in really tiny eye bumper. Sticker like

438
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Speaker 4: everything you just said is completely. True AND i, think

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Speaker 4: like again talk about knife, edge, right like we are

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Speaker 4: right now trying to absorb the news that like law

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Speaker 4: firm of The, resistance, right THE Dei Law, firm you,

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Speaker 4: Know Paul weiss just completely capitulated To Donald trump's bullying

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Speaker 4: and you know is, like not only will we obey in,

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Speaker 4: advance but we will pay with pro bono work for

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Speaker 4: the right to obey in. Advance. Right AND i think

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Speaker 4: it's the same point over and over the same day

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Speaker 4: that a young Associate Rachel cohen At Scandon arps is,

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Speaker 4: like if you all like can't put your bodies into resisting,

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Speaker 4: Fascism i'm out, Right AND i think that what you're

450
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Speaker 4: describing and What i'm trying to like sort of light

451
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Speaker 4: the road toward is that in, fact many of the

452
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Speaker 4: huge wealthy corporate structures that we thought existed to resist

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Speaker 4: authoritarianism are entirely, captured.

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Speaker 1: Right entirely and self. Captured they did it. Themselves i'm, sorry.

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Speaker 4: No, no WE'RE i, mean we're saying.

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Speaker 2: This it's.

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Speaker 4: Bezos it's all the newspapers that bent the. Knee it's

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Speaker 4: all of the, like, oh we're The Washington. Post like

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Speaker 4: democracy dies in, darkness and then you, know eight years,

460
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Speaker 4: later it's, like, oh democracy dies at our hands because

461
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Speaker 4: we're strangling it in The bathtom like. Good so let's

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Speaker 4: all stipulate that money corrodes and corrupts institutions and that

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Speaker 4: what rises in its, PLACE i think is really, powerful

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Speaker 4: which is like this young associate, SAYING i didn't go

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Speaker 4: to law school to be a handmaid to. Fascism i'm.

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Speaker 4: Out and we're seeing. That AND i think part of

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Speaker 4: the move fast and break, Things mollie is, that like

468
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Speaker 4: people are just starting to be able to. Breathe, Yeah

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Speaker 4: and if in, fact your first out breath when you

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Speaker 4: kind of take like what and Then china and Then

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Speaker 4: ukraine and we're Invading canada and like we're creatoring social,

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Speaker 4: security if the first outbreath you.

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Speaker 2: Take is who are our?

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Speaker 4: Leaders this is a really challenging moment because a lot

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Speaker 4: of them we don't know their names.

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Speaker 2: Yet, yeah that's a really good.

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Speaker 1: Point it's a really challenging moment because we don't know

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Speaker 1: their names. Yet, DAHLIA i love. You getting to talk

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Speaker 1: to you is a. BOMB i Just i'm so delighted

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 4: YOU i feel exactly the same. WAY i want to

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Speaker 4: say this in like you, know stentorian oracular, tones BUT

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Speaker 4: i got. Nothing my voice is. Shut but thank you

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Speaker 4: for all you, Do. Molly this is just going to

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Speaker 4: be mutual's going to be a shit. Show, YEAH i

486
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Speaker 4: keep telling, people it's not like a, marathon it's not a.

487
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Speaker 4: Sprint it's a, relay and like everybody has to like

488
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Speaker 4: pass the baton and knowing that you are there to

489
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Speaker 4: receive it and to give it on and too like

490
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Speaker 4: all of us are just gonna have to just run

491
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Speaker 4: really fast knowing that somebody's at the other end of

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Speaker 4: this leg of the. Relay so thank, you thank.

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Speaker 1: You Paul krugman is a Distinguished professor of economics at

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Speaker 1: The Graduate center of The City university Of New, york

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Speaker 1: and he is the author of a sub Stack welcome

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00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: back To Fast. Politics Paul, Krugman, hi, There, hi very

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Speaker 1: excited to have you on this.

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Speaker 2: PODCAST i read your substack every.

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Speaker 6: Day that's great to hear Since i'm writing it every.

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Speaker 2: Time SO i want.

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Speaker 1: To, say it's an incredibly fucked up, moment but it's

502
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: really fucked up on the economic. Side it's funny because

503
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: it's like so many of these people voted For trump

504
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: because they thought or said that he'd be good on the.

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Speaker 1: Economy but what they're doing on the economy right now is.

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Speaker 1: Incomprehensible so explain to us what the theory. Is but

507
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Speaker 1: what's really.

508
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: Happening what makes you think that there's a.

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Speaker 6: THEORY i, mean part of the point is the sain

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Speaker 6: washing On trump's on, everything but certainly On trump's economic

511
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 6: policy is. Enormous the really hard to figure. OUT i,

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Speaker 6: mean if we ask what is he doing to fulfill

513
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 6: his campaign promises to make groceries cheaper and all of,

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00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 6: that the answer is. Nothing there is no. Plan he

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Speaker 6: wants to put on tariff's taxes on important goods and

516
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 6: not entirely. Clear the justifications keep. Changing but he has

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Speaker 6: this idea that somehow or, other returning to the trade

518
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Speaker 6: policies of eighteen ninety eight is going to do magical

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Speaker 6: things for the. Economy and aside from, that it's a.

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Speaker 6: HODGEPODGE i, mean there are multiple doctrines that seem to

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Speaker 6: be floating around which are mutually, contradictory The marralagou, doctrine.

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Speaker 6: Whatever if you actually ask what is it they're trying to,

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Speaker 6: do what is their idea of how this is going to?

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Speaker 6: Work that's a very hard question to, answer except they

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Speaker 6: say that what makes you think there's any logical coherence

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Speaker 6: to any of?

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Speaker 4: This?

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Speaker 1: Right the Mar lago doctor and Oh Jesus. Christ but

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Speaker 1: Basically trump has decided tariffs are good for the, economy

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Speaker 1: and the trade wars are good and easy to. Win

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Speaker 1: last time he had trade, wars he had reduced the

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Speaker 1: economy with tax. Cuts this, time the economy was in

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Speaker 1: a very precarious.

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Speaker 2: State it was A goldilock's.

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Speaker 1: Economy but it had been you, know we were struggling with,

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Speaker 1: inflation and well it had been good on. PEOPLE a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were not happy with. It they didn't

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Speaker 1: like the, inflation, right is that?

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Speaker 6: Fair, well a lot of. People the inflation really was

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Speaker 6: pretty close to. Normal, AGAIN i measured at an annual,

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Speaker 6: rate but the big inflation was really twenty twenty one

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty two came as a shock after many years

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Speaker 6: of low, inflation and people were sort of still. Upset

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Speaker 6: people were going to. Store they still remembered what things

545
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Speaker 6: had cost before the, pandemic and then wanted to know

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Speaker 6: why prices couldn't come back. Down And trump just promised

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Speaker 6: that he would bring them back, down which was an impossible.

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Speaker 6: Promise what's really amazing about the current and it is

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Speaker 6: not just that the policies themselves are wildly. DESTRUCTIVE, Us

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Speaker 6: canada And mexico are very Much they're just a there's

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Speaker 6: no such thing as A us manufacturing sector. Anymore there's

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Speaker 6: A North american manufacturing. Sector parts of an automobile may

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Speaker 6: cross one or both of the borders seven or eight

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Speaker 6: times before you have a finished. Automobile and to be

555
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Speaker 6: slapping twenty five percent tariffs on that is really really.

556
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Speaker 6: Bad but then to be putting tariffs on and then,

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Speaker 6: off and then on and then off so that nobody

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Speaker 6: knows what the policy really, is that's even. Worse imagine

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Speaker 6: yourself as an auto industry. EXECUTIVE i know that might

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Speaker 6: be a little, hard but you, know and you're trying

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Speaker 6: to decide whether to invest money in upgrading Your mexican

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Speaker 6: operations or trying to bring some of them back to

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Speaker 6: The United. States either one of those could be turned

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Speaker 6: out to be totally wasted money because depends on which

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Speaker 6: policy we're going to, follow and nobody has any.

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Speaker 1: IDEA i want to go back to that for a,

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Speaker 1: second because we're talking about markets hate.

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Speaker 2: Uncertainty you just.

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Speaker 1: Want to know what the plan, is and in, fact

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing with the pullback now that perhaps stumbling into,

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Speaker 1: recession which has now been mused, about by the, way

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Speaker 1: just talk about how abnormal it is to have an

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Speaker 1: administration be like we might have to have a. RECESSION i,

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Speaker 1: mean doesn't that sort of shock you to hear best

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Speaker 1: and say, that.

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Speaker 6: YEAH i, mean first of, all it's really weird to

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Speaker 6: hear that The treasury secretary sounding more pessimistic than private

578
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Speaker 6: sector forecasters who think that every recession is, possible and

579
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Speaker 6: he's almost declaring, that, oh we're going to have to

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Speaker 6: go through a lot of pain and for. What, well

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Speaker 6: that's the. Thing, this this whole, storyline which is, oh

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Speaker 6: the economy prosperity Under biden was fake because was all government,

583
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Speaker 6: jobs which it takes you about ninety seconds online to

584
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Speaker 6: find out that that's just not. True it just isn't

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Speaker 6: it all where we. Were there's both a story about

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Speaker 6: where we are which is just not true about this

587
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Speaker 6: bloated government, sector which we have a government sector that's

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Speaker 6: been kind of starved for funds for many decades, now

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Speaker 6: and we have a plan to rebalance the, economy but

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00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 6: there is no. Plan what you have Is Elon musk's

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Speaker 6: little helpers running around and mucking things, up but not

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Speaker 6: actually saving a significant amount of.

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Speaker 2: Money so, right that was, amazing by the.

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Speaker 1: Way that Was david Fahrenhol to basically figuring out that

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Speaker 1: they're actually government spending his flat or maybe up a tiny.

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Speaker 6: Bit, yeah and you know those numbers a little but

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Speaker 6: if you actually ask what documented savings has those, achieved

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Speaker 6: and the answer is. None what they've done is they

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Speaker 6: put out several supposed tallies receipts of their, accomplishments which

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Speaker 6: are full of incredible, errors miss reading eight million is eight,

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Speaker 6: billion counting the same contract three. Times if you were

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Speaker 6: an employer and you had an employee who messed up that,

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Speaker 6: badly you wouldn't be giving him more. Authority you'd be

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Speaker 6: having security escort him out of the. BUILDING i mean

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Speaker 6: this is.

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Speaker 2: Agredible, yeah, yeah let's sort of talk this through.

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Speaker 1: Here we, are we are in the precipice of this

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Speaker 1: like great. Pain the way they're selling it is that

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Speaker 1: this pain will lead to, something the thing that they

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Speaker 1: keep not saying or they keep. Saying but what seems

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Speaker 1: like the underlying idea here is that tariffs will bring

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Speaker 1: Back american, manufacturing right that the things that were manufactured

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Speaker 1: In china will now be manufactured.

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Speaker 2: Here how would that even.

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Speaker 6: Work you, know if you had five hundred percent terriffs

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Speaker 6: or you, know sufficiently high, terriffs you basically shut down

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Speaker 6: the international trade and we start to produce everything, ourselves

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Speaker 6: which is. Feasible you can imagine that, happening but it

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Speaker 6: would make us. Poorer and you, know there are multiple

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Speaker 6: reasons for. That but if you think about your, clothing

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Speaker 6: it's really labor intensive and it really does not make

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Speaker 6: sense for us to produce clothing except, for you, know

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Speaker 6: some very high end stuff in The United. States when

624
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Speaker 6: there are people out there in places Like bangladesh who

625
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 6: are desperate for the. Work there are lots of jobs

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Speaker 6: by our, standards but there are better than the alternatives

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Speaker 6: by their. Standards so you, know there are benefits to international,

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00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 6: trade and even with all of, THAT i suppose that

629
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Speaker 6: somehow managed to completely eliminate the trade. Deficit some of

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Speaker 6: us have been looking At. Germany germany runs enormous trade,

631
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 6: surpluses which is actually kind of a. Problem but, anyway

632
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Speaker 6: The german manufacturing sector has been shrinking over time because

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00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 6: modern economies just need fewer people in manufacturing than they

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00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 6: did half a century. Ago so you, know if you're

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Speaker 6: Saying i'm on an industry to dominate the economy the

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00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: way it did in the nineteen, fifties people don't want

637
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 6: to buy that. Stuff that's LIKE i, SAY i want

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00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 6: us to go back to being a nation of. Farmers

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Speaker 6: that's not going to.

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Speaker 2: Happen.

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Speaker 1: YEAH i mean you wrote a piece about making sweatshops great.

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00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Again, yeah AND i think that was ultimately the play. Here.

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Speaker 2: RIGHT a lot of this is.

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Speaker 1: About going back to a time When america was great

645
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Speaker 1: for white, men and there's a sort of fantasy, economy you,

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: know the Smooth holly.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs.

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Speaker 6: Right Some one thing THAT i think it's important to

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Speaker 6: say here is that we think of manufacturing jobs as

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Speaker 6: being good, jobs but they weren't always good. Jobs the

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Speaker 6: fact the garment industry was for much of its history

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Speaker 6: a really terrible industry to work. In even the auto

653
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Speaker 6: industry was not. Great the reason why manufacturing jobs were

654
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Speaker 6: for a wild good jobs is that they had strong.

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Speaker 6: Unions so you, know you can if you bring back,

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Speaker 6: manufacturing but don't bring back the. Unions all you're doing

657
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Speaker 6: is creating some not especially great jobs and at the

658
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Speaker 6: same time making everything more. Expensive.

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Speaker 1: Right and, look one of the problems we had for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four, election which, we for whatever reason

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Speaker 1: have memory, hold is that there was a very tight labor.

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Speaker 1: Market people did not want a lot of these. Jobs

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Speaker 1: and in fact we found and there was Really The

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Speaker 1: times did amazing reporting on, this that there were children

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Speaker 1: working in a lot of these, factories right because they

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Speaker 1: were illegal, immigrants were children and they had come over

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Speaker 1: Because american citizens didn't want these.

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Speaker 2: Jobs.

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Speaker 6: YEAH i think about, agriculture and this is. TRUE a

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Speaker 6: lot of, MANUFACTURING i, mean meat packing is largely, immigrants

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Speaker 6: and many of them. Undocumented agriculture is largely, immigrants many

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Speaker 6: of them. Undocumented because we're a rich, country wealth and

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Speaker 6: income are very unevenly. Distributed but even, so most native

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Speaker 6: Born americans have better alternatives than picking. Strawberries and so

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Speaker 6: the idea that either that we can bringing back manufacturing

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Speaker 6: is going to make us rich again or, richer or

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Speaker 6: that we will be richer if we reserve the jobs

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Speaker 6: that are currently being done by immigrants.

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Speaker 1: For native born.

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Speaker 6: Workers both of those are just you, know this is

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Speaker 6: some of those jobs that immigrants are taking right, now

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Speaker 6: and ask yourself how many people In america really want

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Speaker 6: to do those.

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Speaker 1: Jobs let's have a thought, experiment perman to say, today

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Speaker 1: you wanted to fix where we're going, here what would

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Speaker 1: you do if you Were Scott bassant and you you,

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Speaker 1: know it was switched at birth right or whatever it,

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Speaker 1: was you, know Freaky friday where you switch, bodies what

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Speaker 1: would you do to fix this sort of trajectory we're.

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Speaker 2: On, well the trouble.

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Speaker 6: Is That trump is the kind of, person which is,

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Speaker 6: actually i have to, say quite common among powerful and rich,

693
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Speaker 6: people kind of person who only hears what he wants

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Speaker 6: to hear and surrounds himself with people who tell him

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Speaker 6: what he wants to. Hear so he's had this fixation

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Speaker 6: on tariffs for a long. Time and If Scott bessen

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Speaker 6: were to, say you, know Mister, PRESIDENT i think you

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Speaker 6: know you're going overboard. Here, well we pretty soon have

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Speaker 6: a New treasury, secretary we have an imperial, presidency would

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Speaker 6: the autocratic presidency with some guy who has convinced himself

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Speaker 6: that he has the secret to, Prosperity AND i don't

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Speaker 6: know that there's any way to move. It THE us

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Speaker 6: economy As january, twentieth you, know had, problems as any economy,

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Speaker 6: does but it was. Okay inflation was pretty, low, low

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Speaker 6: unemployment was quite. Low there were lots of things you

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Speaker 6: could try to, reform but this kind of we're going

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Speaker 6: to tear it up by the, roots and there was

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Speaker 6: no reason to do that except that this all comes

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Speaker 6: from the mind Of Donald.

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Speaker 1: Trump, yeah but if you were theoretically to do, it

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Speaker 1: what you would do is you would end all the.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs you would say, whatever and then you would continue

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Speaker 1: on This biden pass. Right.

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Speaker 6: YEAH i mean there were a couple of. Things was

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Speaker 6: by no means free, markets free, trade trade, purist.

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Speaker 2: Certainly not, right and markets Hated Lena khan that.

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Speaker 6: Too she was definitely fighting monopoly. Power but we were

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Speaker 6: starting to spend quite a lot of money on advanced,

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Speaker 6: technology largely for national security, reasons and spending a lot

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Speaker 6: of money on subsidizing green energy for saving the planet.

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Speaker 6: Reasons and both of those were quite nationalistic. Policies, obviously

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Speaker 6: as you're trying to PROMOTE us production of the dance,

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Speaker 6: technology that has to be. Nationalistic but the green energy

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Speaker 6: policies were pretty By american, too because that was how

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Speaker 6: you made them politically. Saleable, SO i, mean what we

726
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 6: really should have had is a, bigger non mansionized version

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Speaker 6: Of biden's industrial. Policies IF i had no political, constraints.

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Speaker 1: That's WHAT i.

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Speaker 6: Do i'd be doing a lot of expenditure on strategic,

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Speaker 6: industries on green. Industries that's what you need to, do

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Speaker 6: which is not the same as going back to whatever

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Speaker 6: the global marketplace says is. Right but it's also not

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Speaker 6: going to just scatter brain tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Right, right and that is absolutely setting up a fiesque.

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Speaker 2: Situation so let me ask.

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Speaker 1: You as you're watching this economy right, now what are

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Speaker 1: the sort of things that you are watching that are

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Speaker 1: making you kind of sort of the most nervous as

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Speaker 1: you watch, things and what are the things that make

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Speaker 1: you think maybe will be okay?

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Speaker 6: Here, Okay consumers are sounding very, upset and there are

742
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Speaker 6: at least hints in the data that they're actually starting

743
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Speaker 6: to pull. Back there's often people will say the economnyst.

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Speaker 6: Lousy now let me go out and spend a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Money but right now it does look as if people

746
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 6: are in fact beginning to pull. Back so we're a

747
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Speaker 6: little weak. There business, investment you wouldn't expect to see it,

748
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 6: now but every survey of businesses says that businesses are

749
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 6: basically pulling back to wait and see. Inflation you, know

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Speaker 6: if these talents actually, happen then that right away is

751
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Speaker 6: going to add two or three percent to the cost of.

752
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 6: Living if deportations really gather, steam that's going to add

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Speaker 6: a whole other bunch to the cost of, living especially food,

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Speaker 6: prices but also construction a lot of immigrants there. Too

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Speaker 6: we have the elements in there for, stagflation for a

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Speaker 6: combination of a.

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Speaker 1: Recession can you explain to our listeners and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: me remind me what stagflation looks.

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00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 6: Like look nineteen eighty with high unemployment and nine percent,

760
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: inflation that's. Stagflation so the end of the, seventies when

761
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 6: we went into a deep, recession which was basically deliberately

762
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Speaker 6: and when The Federal reserve imposed a recession to try

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Speaker 6: and bring inflation, down and it took a while for

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Speaker 6: inflation to come, down so you had a period of

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Speaker 6: high inflation and high. Unemployment or if you go back

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Speaker 6: a little, bit there was also a soaring oil prices

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Speaker 6: after The Iranian, Revolution so you have inflation because of

768
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Speaker 6: the oil, prices and you have unemployment because the oil

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Speaker 6: prices are also causing a. Recession this is all stuff that.

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Speaker 6: Classic we remember these, things but these things were the

771
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Speaker 6: last time we had it was largely external. Events it

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Speaker 6: was wars in The Middle, east and to some, extent irresponsible,

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Speaker 6: policy but mostly it was that we kind of things

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Speaker 6: got out of. Control what we have now and we've

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Speaker 6: never had this, before is it looks like we have

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Speaker 6: policies that will kind of do this to. Ourselves we

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Speaker 6: will create inflation with tarris and mass, deportations will create

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00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 6: unemployment by creating so much uncertainty that businesses and consumers pull.

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 6: Back and there's definitely a story whereas sometime next year

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Speaker 6: we have got both frighteningly high unemployment and frightening the high, inflation,

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Speaker 6: right and.

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Speaker 2: That's really a nightmare. Scenario All krugman thank you so.

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Speaker 6: Much, well thank.

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Speaker 2: You Tim miller is a host of The Bulwark daily.

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Speaker 2: Podcast Hi, Tim Hey.

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Speaker 7: MOLLY i always forget it's been a, while and for

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Speaker 7: a WHILE i was like the top guest, here and you,

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Speaker 7: know then things got busy AND i forget. That this

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Speaker 7: show kind of starts with you just being, like, what,

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Speaker 7: hey there's no you, know welcome To Fast.

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Speaker 8: Politics we actually do do intro where We i'm aware

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Speaker 8: my experience and my experience of the show is is

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Speaker 8: just this part, Anyway we're just.

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Speaker 1: Delightful so and we actually were on a show together

795
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Speaker 1: last week and it was very.

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Speaker 7: Fun, yeah you our best out, here.

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Speaker 2: Which was ten years.

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Speaker 1: Ago remember when there was when you did that, audit

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Speaker 1: the republican audit of like the autopsy autopsy.

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Speaker 7: You grew up an opportunity project, actually so it was called, formally.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there is like is there a

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Speaker 1: democratic version of?

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Speaker 7: THAT i guess the big lesson from the, audit as

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Speaker 7: you called, it was that, actually the people don't really

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Speaker 7: care THE dc And snyder's, one, honestly and we learned

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Speaker 7: that lesson several times, now going back To Barack obama

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Speaker 7: in two thousand and, eight all the way through To

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Speaker 7: Donald trump. Presidencies, NOW i think that there's certain things

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00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 7: that The democrats could reflect on and learn that would

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Speaker 7: be applicable no matter who the nominee. Is for, example

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Speaker 7: in the souttern media, age it's probably good to do

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Speaker 7: a lot of media than to be out there and

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Speaker 7: to be less cautious and to be less wound. Tight

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Speaker 7: you know WHAT i? Know isn't that? Crazy crazy? Notion?

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Speaker 7: Now AS i say, THIS i was joking With Ben

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Speaker 7: dreyfus ON x about. This i'm On Blue sky, now

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Speaker 7: BUT i was joking With ben ON x about, this

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Speaker 7: AND i was, like you, know here's the. Thing, THOUGH

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Speaker 7: i can give all this advice in an audit through on,

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Speaker 7: balance but like the most likely, scenario there's some less

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Speaker 7: likely scenarios that are way worse than. This but the

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Speaker 7: most likely, scenario in my, opinion is that this administration

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Speaker 7: is such a fucking nightmare and such a disaster for

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Speaker 7: so many people that The democrats could do anything next,

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Speaker 7: time earn nothing from this last, election, right the same

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Speaker 7: flause that they had last time and went just because

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Speaker 7: people are so. Sick and that's especially if there's an

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Speaker 7: economic collapse or recession that there are ways that it

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Speaker 7: could go, differently but, LIKE i think that's probably you

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Speaker 7: looked at all the various outcomes the most likely, outcome

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Speaker 7: so you, know maybe the people by twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 7: are so desperate for anything Besides trump that a very

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Speaker 7: cautious talking point To democrat could. Through but like, unbalanced

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Speaker 7: just in, GENERAL i just think The republican message machine

835
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Speaker 7: is just so much better now AND i think that's

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Speaker 7: something That democrats could could learn from what the New democrat.

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Speaker 7: Does from a policy. Standpoint it's always funny every expert

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Speaker 7: you have is, like, WELL i wish THAT i think

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Speaker 7: The democrats could win if The, canada did you know

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Speaker 7: express views THAT i, have, right, right of, course you.

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Speaker 1: Know WHAT i?

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Speaker 7: Mean, yeah, YEAH i MEAN i would love for it

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Speaker 7: to be some you, know more Moderate, democrat BUT i

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Speaker 7: don't know that that's necessarily. TRUE i think there are

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Speaker 7: a lot of different ways to do it, ideologically AND

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Speaker 7: i think we learned in twenty twelve that just because

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Speaker 7: THE dc types want a certain type of, ideology like

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Speaker 7: the voters get to have their.

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Speaker 6: Saye you, Know.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought a priors because that's SOMETHING i

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Speaker 1: think about all the, time, right what are my priors

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Speaker 1: and how are they informing my decision here like? That

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Speaker 1: SO i was glad you said that BECAUSE i do

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Speaker 1: often bristle when and you, KNOW i get in this

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Speaker 1: with a, lot you, know Whenever Trump republicans are, like,

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Speaker 1: yeah we really shouldn't be paying for, eyeglasses you, know

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Speaker 1: or free.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast you. Know i'm, like, yeah of course you, don't you.

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Speaker 1: Know SO i was glad that you talked about. That

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Speaker 1: BUT i also think it's a negative even for, liberals, Right,

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Speaker 1: LIKE i know my priors are, like you, know limousine, liberal,

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Speaker 1: right just pay more taxes and and give or kids

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Speaker 1: stuff so THAT i can you, know make movies about.

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Speaker 1: It and the other thing is that THAT i was

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Speaker 1: glad you talked also about was, communication because that is

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Speaker 1: this thing that gets me the most furious with The democratic. Establishment, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no for.

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Speaker 7: Sure and, LOOK i was on The Steph rule last

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Speaker 7: night and it's funny because she was, like she's playing

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Speaker 7: a clip From bernie AND aoc and then an op

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Speaker 7: ed From David, french you, Know trump, hero And David

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Speaker 7: french was, saying you, know The democrats shouldn't do what

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Speaker 7: The republicans did with the tea party and get angry

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Speaker 7: and get out, there and she's, like what say, You,

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Speaker 7: Tim AND i was, LIKE i, mean on this, one tactically,

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Speaker 7: SPEAKING i got a signed With bernie AND aoc on this.

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Speaker 7: One it's not my dream tick for twenty twenty, eight of,

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Speaker 7: course but at least they are out there getting attention

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Speaker 7: and making an argument and making a case to. People

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Speaker 7: a lot of people out. THERE i think about all

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Speaker 7: the discussion about The Democratic rogan and the bro podcast,

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Speaker 7: world and some of the discussion is, silly but there's

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Speaker 7: one element of it that's. True there are a lot

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Speaker 7: of dudes out. THERE i know some of, them and women,

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Speaker 7: frankly but mostly it's like some of these podcasts that

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Speaker 7: don't really follow the news right and aren't particularly. IDEOLOGICAL

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Speaker 7: i probably would like a lot of things That bernie

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Speaker 7: AND aoc have to, say probably like all the things that,

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Speaker 7: matter like Jos shapiro would have to, say honestly right

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Speaker 7: like they. Did they're not Ideological and the only thing

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Speaker 7: that they were hearing was From. Trump all they're hearing

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Speaker 7: was From trump because he's, everywhere and all they were

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Speaker 7: hearing About democrats was negative shit That trump and his people,

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Speaker 7: say and so you ask why are young men more

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Speaker 7: conservative now than old? Men and it's, like well that's.

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Speaker 7: Why just at, minimum like at Least bernie AND aoc break.

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Speaker 7: Through and some of those young men will be turned

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Speaker 7: Off albernie naosis and aren't going to be. Gettble that's,

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Speaker 7: fine but some of them will be, like oh, wait

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Speaker 7: like they're actually making more sensible, points you, Know and

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Speaker 7: and then that you start to clos some people. Back

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Speaker 7: so you, KNOW i just think that element of it

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Speaker 7: is a no. Brainer but it's it's easier said than.

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Speaker 3: Done you.

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Speaker 1: Know that's something we saw a, lot. Right trump won

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Speaker 1: by just going places and talking, yes.

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Speaker 7: And he brought on new people and.

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Speaker 3: Fast So trump trying to dismantle The department Of education

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Speaker 3: is going to be a, massive massive. Worm we're already

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Speaker 3: seeing it ramp.

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Speaker 4: Up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so remember When project twenty twenty five talked about

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Speaker 1: dismantling The department Of education and everyone was, like, yeah

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Speaker 1: but it's not actually going to do. That, well he's

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Speaker 1: actually going to fucking do. That so The department Of,

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Speaker 1: education here's what they, do those. Cocks they provide low,

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Speaker 1: income rural disabled students with money that they desperately need

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Speaker 1: so that they can go to school or go to.

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Speaker 1: College Or trump world would like to replace slow income

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Speaker 1: children with tax cuts for. Billionaires so, rural smaller school

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Speaker 1: districts will rely on The department Of education for technical

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Speaker 1: assistance for implication of The title one, grants they're going

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Speaker 1: to be completely out of. Luck it will. Be department

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Speaker 1: Of education also sets perimeters around accommodations for disabled. Students

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Speaker 1: they help schools for.

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Speaker 2: The deaf and the.

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Speaker 1: BLIND i, mean this is like such a disgusting attack

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Speaker 1: on the federal. Government it's an attack On Red, states

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Speaker 1: right on people In Red. States and we shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Surprised it was talked about In project twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five it is absolutely what this crew is set on.

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Speaker 1: Doing it's what they want wanted to, do it's what

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Speaker 1: they've dreamed of, doing and we should not be surprised

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Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 2: It but it's still really.

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Speaker 1: Disgusting if they are able to do, it the people

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Speaker 1: who will suffer will be kids In Red, states public

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Speaker 1: school students in red. States it will hurt low income

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Speaker 1: and rural. Schools low income and rural people voted For.

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Speaker 1: Trump now they will suffer Because trump wants to Give

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Speaker 1: Elon musk a tax. Cut so congratulations to all who

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Speaker 1: made this. Happen we'll see some, pushback but you, know

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Speaker 1: Ultimately republicans have rolled. Over we'll see What democrats can.

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Speaker 1: Do that's it for this episode Of Fast. Politics tune

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