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Speaker 2: It is a big idea a new world order. Well,

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Speaker 2: I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but they're

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Speaker 2: not going to trick me twice. The time is now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. This is David Pen,

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Speaker 2: your host. Glad to be with you as always for

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Speaker 2: episode number two seventy eight. It's a special guest episode

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Speaker 2: airing tonight, the tenth of February, seven pm Central Standard time.

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Speaker 2: Before I introduce our guest, I want to share with

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Speaker 2: everyone that we are making some big changes. Are on

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Speaker 2: the campfire here. Hello Tanner, what's up? What's up? Man?

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Speaker 2: All this pressures on Tanner because very shortly, allegedly next Monday,

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Speaker 2: but around three people radio, we don't keep the clock perfect.

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Speaker 2: We're targeting next Monday, which is going to be the sixteenth, sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth, We're going to be going live five days

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Speaker 2: a week from seven am to nine am, drive time

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Speaker 2: talk television on Rumble and get Her. That's going to

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Speaker 2: be mister Royce White and mister David Penn, and we're

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Speaker 2: just gonna hold court in here five days a week.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be call ins. You'll be able to

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Speaker 2: call in and talk to Royce. I'll be moderating it

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Speaker 2: gets out of control, I'll have the kill switch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, are we enabling you at the kill switch?

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Speaker 3: Or do I have the killock?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: We might have to have it backed up double Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we might because what works for me might not work

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Speaker 2: for you. Anyhow, We're really excited about this, and I

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Speaker 2: do want to say we don't want to give up YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you, some of you. I know I've

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Speaker 2: watched every episode I've ever done, two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: seven episodes, which is quite complimentary. We want to continue

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Speaker 2: but please repost the links because YouTube does not help us.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this on the last episode.

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Speaker 3: But we just did it again with it.

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Speaker 2: We just did it again with the show with Mike

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Speaker 2: Glendell nine ninety two. Stop. Yep, it doesn't go up

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Speaker 2: and then taper off, It goes up and hits a ceiling. Yep.

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Speaker 2: That tells us something doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: They're watching Professor pant. They don't like me. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm such a nice guy too. Yeah, I understand why

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Speaker 2: This is going to be my first opportunity. We know

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Speaker 2: And I try to be very frank with people. If

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Speaker 2: That's why she's in studio. Wendy, I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 5: Well, first, want me to say thank you for inviting

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Speaker 5: And I moved here during COVID. Moved across country from

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Speaker 2: My audience knows this. That's crazy. Yeah, Wendy and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So my maiden name is Norris, and when I

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Speaker 5: I'm completely ignorant about this. So Carlos and Chuck are

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, very good. So are you are you related

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Speaker 5: But when I was in eighth grade, I was taking

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Speaker 2: Oh that's just great.

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Speaker 5: And I'm standing in front of Chuck Norris and I'm

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Speaker 5: He's a really good man too, from everything I understand

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Speaker 2: That's the rumor that that is the room I bought it.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of ambition in it. But you know

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Speaker 5: I mean, when we go back to you had asked

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Speaker 2: Just and you were doing this in La I was

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Speaker 5: Most of that I was doing in the San Joaquin

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Speaker 5: It was the longest intro to the song that we'd

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful because at that time, when I was doing

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that was me when I was your age.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, goofy. I was goofy. See. Then I

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Speaker 3: The seventies.

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Speaker 2: The seventies were Do you agree with me that it

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I graduated from high school in seventy six, so

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Speaker 2: Sixty seven. A year, a year younger than I am. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I screwed you up with the graduating early things.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I think that back then we were more

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, I look at it.

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Speaker 5: I said that we used to be a rebel without

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. Well, we were rebelling, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: It. You know why I say the seventies was a

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Speaker 5: he's in the backyard because he's got to unwind.

437
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Speaker 2: A little bit, you know.

438
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Speaker 5: But my dad was really influential in my life, I remember,

439
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: and this I think is part of what really lent

440
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Speaker 5: itself to me. Even having the courage to do what

441
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 5: I'm doing right now, and that it's not just this,

442
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 5: but this is one of the first things, because this

443
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 5: is what happened before I came into relationship with the Lord.

444
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 5: I was in ninth grade, and for my ninth, tenth,

445
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 5: and eleventh grade years, I tried out to be a

446
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: cheerleader every year, and every year I was skilled enough

447
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 5: to make it past the group of teachers and administrators

448
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: that were judging cheerleaders cheerleader tryouts, and then I would

449
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: try out in front of the school. And I was

450
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: never the popular kid, you know, the super popular kid.

451
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Speaker 5: So for three years straight, I tried out to be

452
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Speaker 5: a cheerleader and I never made it. And I came

453
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 5: home after the third year of doing that, and I

454
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: just broke down and cried, you know, and my dad,

455
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 5: big old construction worker guy that he was, he'd wrap

456
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: his arm around me like this, you know, and he'd

457
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 5: kissed me on top of my head, and he go squeak.

458
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 5: He called me squeak, He goes, squeak. I got to

459
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Speaker 5: tell you something. I know how important being a cheerleader

460
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 5: was to you, he said. And you're not going to

461
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 5: understand this now, but someday you're going to see that

462
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 5: you trying out for three years straight and not making it,

463
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Speaker 5: but not letting that stop you from what you wanted

464
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Speaker 5: to do.

465
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Speaker 2: He goes.

466
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Speaker 5: You might not ever be a cheerleader, he goes, But

467
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 5: those experiences they built more character in you than you

468
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 5: will ever know. And I can still hear my dad

469
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 5: saying those things to me when I was seventeen years old,

470
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Speaker 5: you know. And it's things like that that my dad

471
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Speaker 5: would say to me that just landed so firmly in

472
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Speaker 5: my heart. And those things have never been diminished or

473
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Speaker 5: disappeared in any way, shape or form. And whenever I

474
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Speaker 5: am in a spot where I just want to throw

475
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: up my hands and go, you know what, this is

476
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 5: really hard, and I'm really getting tired of being beat

477
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 5: up or people telling lies about me, or you know,

478
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 5: whatever experience I've had, let's say, over the last five years,

479
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: that I can just hear my dad telling me, these

480
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: things are building character in you, and nobody's going to

481
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Speaker 5: be able to take that away from you.

482
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Speaker 2: So well that that is what you need to be

483
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: in politics. You know this, This young man when he

484
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: started working here at Free People Radio, hanging around with me,

485
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: I think he was pretty we were telling the story

486
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 2: in the last podcast, look a little bit suspicious, like

487
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: because in his age cohort. You know, it's a very

488
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: left leaning coal hort. That's nice way of seening it

489
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: right now. And you know, when I'm doing my solo podcast,

490
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: he's looking at the scripts and he's, you know, there's

491
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: a lot of them, and you know, he's and I'm

492
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: making this case to the audience over time, and he's like, wow,

493
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: wait a second, whoa. You know a lot of times

494
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: we walk out of the studio and you'd go, I

495
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: didn't know that, and so and then what he's done

496
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: is like you went in the politics. He's a delegate,

497
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: he went to caucus.

498
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Speaker 3: Isn't that for you? Yeah?

499
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: And that's what we really for those of you that

500
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: are out there watching and being entertained, because Wendy has

501
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: got some pretty entertaining stories. I like it.

502
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: I really like. I'm like, this is a very heartfelt

503
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: podcast so far. I'm loving everything she's saying right now.

504
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: Right Well, I knew we were going to get along.

505
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: That's why I thought it'd be greater. She came because

506
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: I saw Wendy, we're talking about endurance, what your what

507
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: your father was teaching you is you know, you know

508
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: there's another thing too, you know, you get these people

509
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: are successes, right, their success success whatever that means to

510
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: whoever's just determined. That's really a subjective to subjective generally

511
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: speaking of how much cash is in the bank, okay,

512
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: which doesn't register for me at all. But you know,

513
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: you can't have a success unless somebody failed. I mean

514
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: those things define each other. And we're speaking of martial arts.

515
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: You know, the idea is get up. I mean, you

516
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: get knocked down if you're fighting, So it's where you

517
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: get up. It's only over when you don't get up.

518
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: So I have seen you on video and I've heard

519
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: the stories, and now that I know you're a transplant

520
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, boy, I got so many questions. How were

521
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: you able to enter the Republican Party in twenty twenty one?

522
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Basically is what you did right? And move so quickly

523
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: through the ranks of the party to attract the attention

524
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: of the constabulary, which then put its full weight upon you.

525
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Speaker 2: Can you tell that story because I want to know

526
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: the details of the.

527
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: Story absolutely well, and I'm going to give you a

528
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: little bit of backstory first. So I played in nightclubs

529
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: and casinos for many years in bands. When my daughter

530
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: was twelve, she gave her heart to the Lord and

531
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Speaker 5: she's a singer, songwriter, musician in her own right. She's

532
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: way more talented than I ever was, could even dream

533
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Speaker 5: of being. And so she is immediately playing and singing

534
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: in the praise team, the junior high praise team in

535
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Speaker 5: the church that she accepted Christ through, and she's bringing

536
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: home all this really great rock music, you know that

537
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 5: has a faith based theme. And through my twelve year

538
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 5: old daughter and music, God led me to him. And

539
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 5: so it was when I was in my forties that

540
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: I came to the Lord. I started playing in praise

541
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: teams immediately.

542
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: What is a praise team.

543
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: A praise team is a team of musicians that lead

544
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Speaker 5: worship in a church on Sunday morning or Saturday night

545
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Speaker 5: or Wednesday night, whenever it is that they meet. They

546
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Speaker 5: usually have some music to prepare people's hearts. And so

547
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: I was part of praise teams and I was living

548
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 5: in Central California when I accepted the Lord. I moved

549
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 5: back to southern California. In two thousand and one, my

550
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: dad passed away unexpectedly and Mom was in you know,

551
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 5: a state after being married for fifty seven years. She

552
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Speaker 5: just was devastated at the loss. And there were a

553
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Speaker 5: lot of different things going on in my life, and

554
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Speaker 5: so I moved back to southern California and I moved

555
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Speaker 5: in with my mom, and she and I were going

556
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Speaker 5: to work our way through, you know, the loss of dad.

557
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Speaker 2: And it's so cute too. I told you guys that

558
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Speaker 2: he calls me squeak.

559
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Speaker 1: Right.

560
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: Well, he nicknamed all of us kids when we were babies.

561
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Speaker 5: My older sister was Tiger, my younger brother was Moose,

562
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Speaker 5: and when we got to be teenagers, those names fell away.

563
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 5: But my dad called me squeak until the day he

564
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Speaker 5: died when I was like forty three years old. Everybody's

565
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: got a nick and so that was just something that

566
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 5: was so precious to me. But I started playing in

567
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 5: praise teams and then I actually became a worship leader

568
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: in a church where I was the bandleader. I was

569
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Speaker 5: the one that was building the services for every Sunday.

570
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Speaker 5: And I was hired into a church that was a

571
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Speaker 5: dying church.

572
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Speaker 2: It had.

573
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Speaker 5: An organist and a choir director and the choir saying hymns. Well,

574
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Speaker 5: I didn't grow up in church, so I didn't even

575
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 5: know hymns and the people. There was like twenty people

576
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Speaker 5: that attended this church, and they were a much older population,

577
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Speaker 5: like seventy five to ninety years old. And I went

578
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 5: in there and I didn't understand. I'd never even heard

579
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: the term worship wars before. Well, I walked straight into

580
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Speaker 5: a worship war because.

581
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: Well, I've never heard that term myself.

582
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Speaker 5: So all you have this older population that loves the

583
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Speaker 5: old traditional music. You've got young family that are moved

584
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: by contemporary, more rock genre of worship songs. And the

585
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: divide between those two things is so huge that all

586
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: the space in between his war. And I would have

587
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: these little old ladies come up to me after church

588
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 5: on Sunday, you know, to be like hands on the

589
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: hips and this close to my face, and you know

590
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 5: that so and so just left the church because of you.

591
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 5: And I went through that for a really long time,

592
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: and I prayed really hard about that. I was like, Okay, Lord,

593
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Speaker 5: how do we get over this hurdle? Because my immediate

594
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: thing is I just need to go to another church where,

595
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: you know, my style is appreciated. And evidently God had

596
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 5: a different plan for that, and the point of all

597
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 5: of this is leading to where I am at this

598
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Speaker 5: point in time. And so I end up staying this

599
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: church for eight and a half years as a worship leader,

600
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 5: and the church grew exponentially during that time to where

601
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 5: in that part of southern California, regular church size is

602
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: like a couple hundred people that would go on a

603
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 5: Sunday morning, and that church went from twenty people to

604
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: about two hundred people. And it was really interesting because

605
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 5: what I did was I looked at the big picture

606
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: and I went, Okay, there are new people coming in

607
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: and this is a good thing, but there are a

608
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 5: bunch of older people that are feeling left out, and

609
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 5: that's not what I want to do.

610
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: So how do I remedy this?

611
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: And what I ended up doing is is taking what

612
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: was really beautiful and was really reverent of the traditional

613
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 5: and what was really beautiful and what was really reverent

614
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: of the contemporary, and I started meddling these songs together.

615
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: And the effect that it had on this congregation was

616
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 5: just supernatural. It was a supernatural thing. You're reading my mind,

617
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: It was it was divine. And I believe that that

618
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 5: was one of the first times that I can identify

619
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 5: in my adult life. So being an eighteen year old,

620
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 5: dad says, this stuff builds character, right, And in my forties,

621
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 5: I'm the worship leader of this church and experiencing this difficulty,

622
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 5: but rather than cutting and running, I stay and I

623
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 5: figure out how to make it work. And I understand

624
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 5: at this moment in time that that was one of

625
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: the training grounds that God took me through to bring

626
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 5: me to this moment. I actually had an opportunity when

627
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 5: I was a worship leader at that church to go

628
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: on mission in Romania. There was a pastor that was

629
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 5: in southern California that for fourteen years he'd been taking

630
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 5: teams to Romania. And what they would do is they

631
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: would have like a childcare thing that was fun and

632
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 5: games and and the parents were present there so there

633
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 5: was never anything, you know, unscrupulous going on. It was

634
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: just like a whole family affair. And after the playtime

635
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 5: with the kids, we would have these evangelical rock concerts

636
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: and people are just giving their hearts to the Lord.

637
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: And I'm traveling the country doing homestays. And if you

638
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 5: knew me, I am a person who enjoys her creature comforts.

639
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 5: You know, if I go to a hotel. My husband

640
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: laughs at me because if we're there even for one night,

641
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: I unpack all my toilet trees, all my clothes. I

642
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 5: like move in because that's what makes me feel comfortable. Well,

643
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 5: I'm doing these homestays and sleeping on people's floors in

644
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: Romania where I don't even speak the language, and God

645
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: had me so far outside of my comfort zone that

646
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 5: I didn't understand it at the time, but that God

647
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 5: was going to give me a message. And so I'm

648
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: about two thirds of the way through that this two

649
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 5: week concert. I've been having tons of vocal issues for

650
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: three concerts in a row. At the end, I'm walking

651
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: up to the microphone and i have no speaking voice,

652
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: and I'm saying, Lord God, if you want me to

653
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: sing for you tonight, then you have to give me

654
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Speaker 5: a voice. And I would sing full voice for the

655
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Speaker 5: entire concert, and when the concert was over, my voice

656
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 5: would be gone again.

657
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: That's a good story.

658
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 5: And so and I mean, that's not even the biggest

659
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 5: faith walk of this, but this is what this is

660
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: what we've got time. And so the pastor comes to

661
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 5: me toward the end and he says, you know what,

662
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: Wendy goes, I've got a confession to make and I said,

663
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: what's that. He said, well, for the fourteen years that

664
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Speaker 5: I've been doing this, I have never brought a woman

665
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: as a worship leader before.

666
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, okay.

667
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: And he said, but more importantly than that, out of

668
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: the fourteen worship leaders that I've brought, you're the only

669
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: person that has mentored these young men to become worship leaders.

670
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 5: At that time, I was fifty years old and my

671
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 5: musicians were twenty to twenty seven year old Romanian men

672
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 5: that I had never met before, and we're out touring

673
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: the country together. And as I'm falling asleep that night

674
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 5: and thanking God for having a use for a woman

675
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 5: who came to the Lord so late in her life,

676
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: I got a download from God and I haven't heard

677
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: his voice audibly, but he says to me, basically, you're

678
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 5: not going to be a worship leader forever. He says,

679
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: because of your age, you're not always going to be relevant.

680
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: And so what I want you to do is I

681
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: want you to start praying about what your next assignment

682
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 5: for me is going to be. And I was devastated

683
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 5: because I thought I was going to die a worship leader.

684
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: They were going to have to pry my guitar out

685
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 5: of my cold, dead hands. And so I started praying,

686
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: and within about eight months, God showed me what it

687
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: was that he was going to have me doing, and

688
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: it was going to be around.

689
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: Healing.

690
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: And there is so much healing that is needed in

691
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: our nation, in our state, in our politics, you know,

692
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 5: even in our families at this point in time, because

693
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 5: the divide has become so great between conservatives and liberals.

694
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 5: And so God started taking me. He gave me three

695
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: more years as a worship leader, and by the time

696
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: my tenure was done, I was really ready to be done,

697
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 5: and He just took me in a different direction from there.

698
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: And so, I mean so many of the things.

699
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 5: As I look back over my life right now, I

700
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 5: can just look at these moments in time that I

701
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: have experienced great preparation for the moment that I'm in

702
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: right now.

703
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: But you didn't know when you were going through. I

704
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: did not know it when I was. I have the

705
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: exact scene. Why or why we.

706
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: Are just kindred spirits and we've never even sat down

707
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: and talked why am.

708
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: I going through this? What does this mean? And then

709
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: it all makes sense downstream, and I think it's interesting

710
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: to hear you talk about healing from a political from

711
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: a political frame. It not words that are normally applied

712
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: in that space. But I'll just share with you what

713
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: I've been working on with this audience and with my

714
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: own focusing of what I'm supposed to do. I'm talking

715
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: a lot about personal empowerment, you know that. And I

716
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: just said on the last solo podcast that the answer

717
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: to the dilimma in his phone in Matthew and Mark

718
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: and so on Thursday's podcast, I'm going to go through

719
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of Biblical passages which I think are relevant

720
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: to this kind of political environment within which we find ourselves.

721
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: And you talk about polarization. Not to get down this

722
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, but I wasn't happy that there was two

723
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: different super Bowl halftime shows. I know a lot of

724
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: people were really happy about it, but the super Bowl

725
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: was the one remaining event where we could go down

726
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: to the bar and nobody asked what your politics were.

727
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Everybody just hung out and enjoyed the game. And Nowfier

728
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: huck Well, it's the great bread and circuses, and it's

729
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: it's a great distraction, and there's all kinds of things

730
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't like about it, but now it's being used

731
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: to further divide. And I saw the first Super Bowl,

732
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: so you know, I've watched this happen for a very

733
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: long period of time, and I you know, healing is

734
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: better than division, and ultimately, well, there's two ways to

735
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: do it that there's ethnic cleansing or there's healing. So

736
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm much more on the healing side of them. And

737
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: I think that when a candidate comes forward and starts

738
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 2: talking about healing the community, that language is not being

739
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: used anywhere right now. So you're kicking off a great

740
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: because ultimately that's what it's to be. Tanner backed me

741
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: up on this. I've talked about people talk about, Okay,

742
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: we need to put this one in jail and execute

743
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: that one. I said, no truth commissions, just like South Africa,

744
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: come on and tell the truth because so many people,

745
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: so many millions of people are implicated in where we're at.

746
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's my opinion, And so what are

747
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: you gonna do? Jail everybody? Because you know, if you're

748
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: not self governing, you're in on it to some degree.

749
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: Like I'm really into being self governing, like extremely into

750
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: being self governing. So I'm really not on the payroll.

751
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not taking Social Security, I'm not taking Medicaid.

752
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: I don't intend to if I can get away with it.

753
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want any I don't want the

754
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: government to be a crutch for my life, which requires

755
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: me to stay well and economically viable, and it requires

756
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: me to walk by faith and not by sight. There's

757
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: a lot of requirements that come with that. So it's

758
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: a healing path of being self governing. It's it's the

759
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: kind of the ultimate healing path, because when you're self governed,

760
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: you realize that you know you're depending on something. It's

761
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: just not the government. You're depending on your faith in

762
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: your relationship with the Lord. Which we get leftists that

763
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: watched this frequently and put nasty comments in the in

764
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: the comments section when we talked this way. But I mean,

765
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: you know, I say to these people, you know, you

766
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: got to try it. A lot of people like for you,

767
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: you were indicating that you didn't develop a relationship with

768
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: God until later in your life, which means beforehand, would

769
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: you call yourself a atheist and agnostic? I mean, no,

770
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: I was a believer who.

771
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: Really wanted to run her own life, so I just resisted.

772
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 5: I knew when I was twelve years old that God

773
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 5: went real and that Jesus was who he said he

774
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: was and actually said the Sinner's Prayer when I was

775
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: twelve years old. All the kids in our junior high

776
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: we had three junior high schools in the Santa Clarita

777
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: Valley where I grew up, and one of the kid's

778
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: dads was a preacher at a fire and Broomstone Baptist Church,

779
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 5: and all of us went to church for about a month.

780
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 5: So four Sundays, I answer an altar call I put

781
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 5: my faith in Jesus, and this pastor says, well, now

782
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 5: I got to go home and get your family saved

783
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: or they're going to go to Hell. And I was like, wow,

784
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 5: that's intense. So I go home and I'm like, mom, dad,

785
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, everybody's got to get saved. And they basically

786
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: patted me on the head, tell me that's nice, and

787
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: you know, shoot me outside to go play. And it

788
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: felt like being rejected by my family. And so so

789
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: for the next twenty eight years or so, I turned

790
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: my back on the Lord because I felt like I

791
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 5: had to make a choice, which was totally alive from

792
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: the enemy. But that was my path, you know. And

793
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 5: so I was twelve years old believed God was real.

794
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: When my daughter was twelve, she put her faith in Christ,

795
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: and God called me back to him through my daughter.

796
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: Well that's quite a story, you know. And I think

797
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Wendio backed me up on this. Tanner all this stuff. Now.

798
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: I was watching Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana on an

799
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: ex clip. He's hilarious, he's hilarious, He's yeah, he's very funny.

800
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: And he said, I think we need to get some

801
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: more conspiracies. Why because all the conspiracies we have turned

802
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: out to be true. Right, So you know, if you

803
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: grew up aware, which you know, you're in California, so

804
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: there's a certain level of just awareness just being in California.

805
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like we didn't know these things.

806
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: We just didn't know how real. Like you turn on

807
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 2: the television on Saturday afternoon and there'd be a show

808
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: from one to two on the once. You know, you'd

809
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: have three network televisions stations, but there'd be one local station.

810
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: On the local station they were looking for content, so

811
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: there'd be some show and from one to two or

812
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: one to three, it'd be about the Illuminati, and you'd

813
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: sit there and you'd watch it and you go, wow,

814
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: that's spooky. Or then the next week it'd be on Aliens,

815
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, and the Pyramids. And so it's not like

816
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: the information wasn't there. It just we looked at it

817
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: as entertainment, and or at least I did. I don't remember

818
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: those shows so well. Going to share what a weirdo

819
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: I was, but yeah.

820
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: I wasn't allowed to sit and watch TV a lot.

821
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: My parents were always going go outside and play.

822
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: Well, we were outside a lot too in those days.

823
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: We were outside. But I'm just saying the information about

824
00:45:53,560 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: the fad, about the rothschilds, about billionaire cabals, about the

825
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: Dollar Empire, all this, I mean, it was there. I

826
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 2: knew about it from the seventies, but I didn't pay

827
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: really the kind of attention to it until the nineties.

828
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: In the nineties I started to really dial in and

829
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: we had a thing here which is very appropriate for

830
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: this Epstein thing before we get to your campaign, in

831
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: your history and the party, which I got to get to,

832
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: but you know, we have this Epstein thing. We're going

833
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: to talk about it Thursday. And people don't know this,

834
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: and you probably don't know this because you weren't here

835
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: in the nineties. But in the early nineties there was

836
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: a very notorious takedown of a child sex exploitation ring

837
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: that was associated with the children's the children's theater company

838
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: here in Minnesota, and that's still here, the Children's Theater

839
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: Company Whitewash now still putting on shows. And it was

840
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: a theater company for kids, and they take them really young,

841
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: and you know, they were, you know, through a ten

842
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: years old. And it turned out that the the part

843
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: that got into the press was that it was abusive

844
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: young boys by perverse older men, who was framed up

845
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: in that kind of a way that it was older

846
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: men molesting younger boys. Actually, all the kids in the school,

847
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: not maybe not all, but a very large percentage of

848
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: the kids in that school were actually involved in a

849
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: Satanic cult. And it was a Satanic cult. And I

850
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: know that from knowing people that were in it. And

851
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: it was actually taken down in large part by the

852
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: government covertly, which I also watched that happen. And I

853
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: watched that and I you know, the snuff films and

854
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: the child porn, and I mean, all this came into

855
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: my consciousness from people that I knew and interviewed, and

856
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: you know what happened. I blew out my circles circuits,

857
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: is what it did. I mean, I went through this

858
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: and I saw it and I experienced it, and I

859
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: it was psychologically horrible for me and dangerous. And then

860
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: when it was over, I tried to forget about it.

861
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: And how I tried to forget about it was even

862
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: though someone told me that they were trained by the

863
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: CIA to do this work, and I thought to myself, wow, sir,

864
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: can you explain this to me? Because I don't get this.

865
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Why do you think we're here? It was that kind

866
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: of a deal. So they were trying to clean up

867
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: this mess, and it was an awful mess. But mine,

868
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: as trained as I was, and I was trained. When

869
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: I got to the other side of it, my decision was,

870
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to get married and have kids and I

871
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: want to forget about this. This must be an isolated

872
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: group of wackos. Even though the people that I met

873
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: in interview told me it was an international satantic organization

874
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: that involved politics, billionaires. I mean, they explained the whole

875
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: theology to me how it was working and not working.

876
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: My point is I knew about it, and because it

877
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: was so psychologically troubling to hear stories of children being

878
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: eaten and all the things that I mean, I personally

879
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: heard this. You know, I wasn't reading it on acts.

880
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a real human beings sitting this far

881
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: away from me, tell me the story about it. I

882
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: wanted to forget it. I thought it was an isolated

883
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: even though I had evidence, and I thought you and

884
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: you people must be crazy. I mean, my response to

885
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: it was, you people must be crazy to talk this way.

886
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: Can't be real. Even though I knew it was real,

887
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: didn't I. They used to say denial is more than

888
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: a river in Egypt. Because I was in the denial,

889
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want to deal with it. And even that

890
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: experience prepared me for what's going on today, because I

891
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: know that this is very real and most likely the

892
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: psychological mechanism will function again, that people will not be

893
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: able to stay present for the horror of this event.

894
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: And though for all the Christians that believe in Christ

895
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: and believe in you know, there's another part of the equation.

896
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: I mean, if you believe in Christ, then you're going

897
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: to believe in the devil, absolutely, and that's not really

898
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: today's contemporary Christianity.

899
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 5: Well, and you know what the devil wants. He wants

900
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: most of all that people don't believe he's real, because

901
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: then he can move about more freely.

902
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: And the goal is to destroy Christ on the planet.

903
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: That is the satanic endgame. Absolutely. And so when we

904
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: get into politics, you go, what does that have to

905
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: do with politics? Well, it's as much or as little

906
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: as you want to put into politics. That way, I

907
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: can see completely dispassionately as a sociological, anthropological activity that

908
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: has no supernatural I mean I have that gear because

909
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm trained, you know, academically to have that gear. But

910
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: I also have this other gear that you have where

911
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, when you have God in your life, you

912
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: start to look look at things vary from another frame,

913
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: and that you know, neither one of those frames is

914
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: right or wrong. They're two. I mean, if you don't

915
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: have the religious frame, you're going to look at those

916
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: people and say they're crazy. But if you do have

917
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: that frame and you're looking at a person that doesn't

918
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: have that frame, I just tell people all the time, Hey,

919
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: you only got half the story. Maybe you should do

920
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 2: a little practice, a little research before you start calling

921
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: me crazy. But as it applies to politics in Minnesota

922
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: or even going through the party, I will say that

923
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: there was a lot of Republican politicians caught up in

924
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: that thing in the early nineties. Some of their careers

925
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: went up in smoke. I'm going to be kind and

926
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: mentioned any names, because they're probably dead. It's a long

927
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: time ago. There's no reason to drill dig that up.

928
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: But to think that evil is not a foot in

929
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: our political culture here in Minnesota is quite naive. And

930
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: I watched anybody at that conclusion, oh life would say

931
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: most people are still in that place. That's if they

932
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: had arrived at the conclusion there was a supernatural battle

933
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: going on and they'd woken up to that reality, we

934
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't be having the problems that we're having. So we

935
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: still have the majority of people. And I'm what I'm

936
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: trying to say is I'm not blaming them because I

937
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: did the same thing. I intentionally took what I knew,

938
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: put it aside, quit the work I was doing so

939
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do it again, and went into

940
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: what I would call a normal I became an ormy

941
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: the best I could. I had kids, and I'm going

942
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: to forget about this stuff because I want to deal

943
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: with it. And so I'm just trying to break bread

944
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: with the people that are hearing me speak, that are

945
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: saying I don't think so ah can really be real.

946
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to tell you I've seen it

947
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: with my own eyes. It is real, both sides that equation,

948
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: and it really plays into our political life here in Minnesota.

949
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: And why I know that, what I'm setting up is

950
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: I watched a video of what happened to you in

951
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: the party, and that was such a striking thing for me.

952
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: We didn't know each other at the time. We didn't,

953
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: but I did. Somebody send me the video and I

954
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: watched the entire thing it was filmed, and there was

955
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: a certain amount of real grief in that video, I

956
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: mean real raw emotion.

957
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 5: Well it was in the moment of everything that was,

958
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 5: you know, being taken away for you know, just trying

959
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 5: to keep things nice.

960
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,880
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961
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,520
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962
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964
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Speaker 2: and stay safe on the road this winter season. Well then, now,

965
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: oh ahead, there's a lot of Minnesota delegates in Minnesota

966
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: participants listening at that time. What was your role in

967
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: the party?

968
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 5: I believe that what you're talking about is a recording

969
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 5: that was done at the CD one meeting, and I

970
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 5: believe that that meeting was on May thirteenth of twenty

971
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 5: twenty four. That meeting was held for the purpose of

972
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 5: removing me from office. I was at that moment the

973
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 5: CD one rep to the State Executive Committee. I was

974
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 5: also the BPOU chair of Homestead County at the same time.

975
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 5: But my role in CD one was to serve on

976
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 5: the State Executive Committee.

977
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: Book book see now, Tanner. Wendy came here from California

978
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: just before she had a meteoric rise through the party.

979
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: For some reason, they hadn't made her for who she

980
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: really was, and they let her zip to the top.

981
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 2: I had a very similar experience here in CD three.

982
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: So you got into the party, you were elected chair,

983
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: you must have. Were you a vice chair first or

984
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: did you just go right for a chair?

985
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 5: No? Actually, I went from twenty twenty one early twenty

986
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 5: twenty one, sitting on my couch yelling at Fox News

987
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 5: because none of the Republicans were doing anything about all

988
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 5: of the you know, all the stuff that was hitting

989
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 5: the fan in November and in January. And after a

990
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 5: few weeks of that, I just stopped and I went,

991
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 5: Lord God, I can't keep doing this if I keep

992
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 5: yelling at the TV, or if I just sit on

993
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: my couch quietly and watch all this part of the problem.

994
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 5: I want to be part of the solution, but I

995
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 5: have no idea what to do. And then I prayed

996
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 5: a really dangerous prayer, Lord God, whatever you tell me

997
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 5: to do, I will do it. And within a couple

998
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 5: of weeks I met Eric Mortenson, who was a Sitting

999
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 5: House rep. And he introduced me to the guys at

1000
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 5: Action for Liberty, and I get that that group of

1001
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 5: people is controversial, probably for a lot of your listeners.

1002
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 5: Some of them probably love Apharrell and some of them

1003
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: probably hate Apharel, and that's all fine. But that was

1004
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 5: what got me my start is they invited me up

1005
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 5: to their headquarters and they said, would you just do

1006
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 5: a brief presentation for us, like maybe eight you know,

1007
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 5: PowerPoint slides or something, and talk to us about something

1008
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 5: you're passionate about. And I really didn't know a whole

1009
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 5: lot about Minnesota politics. But I had met Eric Mortenson

1010
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: at this Freedom rally and he was talking about the

1011
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 5: Never Again Bill. So I decided to do a presentation

1012
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 5: on the Never Again Bill. And my slide presentation, I

1013
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 5: think was like forty slides because I just tend to

1014
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: go all in when I and I think that the

1015
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 5: guys were blown away that, you know, I had the

1016
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 5: skill set for public presentation. I mean, when you've been

1017
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 5: in a band for decades and you've taught fifty sixty

1018
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 5: people in a fitness class at a time, you figure

1019
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 5: out how to command an audience, you know. And so

1020
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 5: I did my presentation. They were like, wow, that was great.

1021
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 5: You know, what are you going to do? And I said,

1022
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 5: I have no idea. And Eric Martinsen said to me, well,

1023
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 5: I know what I'd tell you to do if I

1024
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 5: was in charge of your life. I said, well, let's

1025
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 5: pretend for the moment that you are and he said,

1026
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: you need to run for the house. So I actually

1027
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one, I started holding freedom rallies just

1028
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 5: inviting people and the crowd went from thirty pull up

1029
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty couple

1030
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 5: hundred people over I think the five events that I did.

1031
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: And I was doing the very same thing up here

1032
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: in CD three Patforeia.

1033
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 5: And so at that point what I did was I

1034
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 5: made an announcement at Caucus twenty twenty two that I

1035
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: was going to run for House seat twenty five A,

1036
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 5: and I was looking for the endorsement. And because the

1037
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 5: current administration of the Olmsted BPOU was firmly against Action

1038
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 5: for Liberty, they did everything they could to block me

1039
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 5: from even getting an endorsing convention. But you know, with

1040
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 5: God's help, I prevailed and I was the endorsed candidate.

1041
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: Are the same people still there at almost.

1042
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 5: There are some of the same people there. But I

1043
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: mean when I was doing those rallies and then it's

1044
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 5: such a blue district, I actually outperformed all the other

1045
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 5: Republicans that were in the county, with the exception of

1046
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 5: of a senator, you know, a Republican senator that won

1047
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 5: in District twenty four. But I was after the election

1048
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 5: and all that I was sitting there going I have

1049
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 5: no idea what I'm going to do but I had

1050
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 5: built this huge network of like, at any moment in time,

1051
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 5: I could call forty to eighty people and have them

1052
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: go and do something with peer relationships.

1053
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: I did politics. That's who I am. Those people were,

1054
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: they were in your network, they were they supported you,

1055
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: they were great, they were amazing, and.

1056
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 5: So moving me on that, I'm just a few weeks

1057
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 5: after the election, and I'm going, Okay, God, I know

1058
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 5: that you wanted me to run for that. I don't

1059
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 5: understand why I didn't win, because at that moment in time,

1060
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, if God asked me to do it,

1061
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 5: I'm probably going to win, right. And it was just

1062
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 5: a couple weeks later that a group of people who

1063
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 5: had a different idea of how to run government than

1064
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: the group of people that were in charge in Hamstead County.

1065
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 5: They reached out to me and we started having meetings

1066
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 5: and what we ended up doing was creating a slate

1067
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 5: of people that were grassroots, and we did a lot

1068
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 5: of phone calling because I had been trained how to

1069
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 5: do this, did tons of phone calls, had some events

1070
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 5: and went into the twenty three I guess it would

1071
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 5: be convention BPOU convention, and we took everything we took

1072
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 5: every office in the executive Committee. We took every delegate position,

1073
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 5: we took every state central delegate position. We did not

1074
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 5: leave room for anybody that was part of the older Guard.

1075
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 5: And for two years as the chair, I didn't start

1076
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 5: out as the chair. There was a situation there that

1077
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 5: I don't feel we need to go into. But the

1078
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 5: chair that had voted in and I was voted in

1079
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 5: his deputy chair. That person was removed from office three

1080
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: months after being elected, and so I stepped up as

1081
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Speaker 5: the interim and in the fourth month I was elected

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Speaker 5: as the chair. And for the remainder of that two years,

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 5: I had people showing up to the meetings every single

1084
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 5: month that were there for the sole purpose of disrupting business.

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Speaker 5: And it was not easy, it was not fun, but

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01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 5: it was a great training ground. You know, how do

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01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 5: you continue to move forward even though you're coming up

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 5: against all of this resistance. So that is like twenty

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01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 5: May of twenty three, June of twenty three, I become

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 5: the chair. But in April of twenty three, I'm contacted

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Speaker 5: by some people and they said, you know, we need

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01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 5: somebody that is a real fighter, that will stand up

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01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 5: for the grassroots in the State Executive Committee, would you

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 5: consider running the in CD one to become the rep

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Speaker 5: to state exec And so I agreed to do that,

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 5: and it was It was interesting because the person that

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Speaker 5: they elected as chair was even though he was super young,

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01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 5: he was total establishment guy. And you know, here I

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 5: am at sixty whatever years old, however old I was then,

1100
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 5: and I stood up in front of this room of

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 5: people that were clearly more of an establishment group, and

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Speaker 5: I shared with them the story about being the worship

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01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 5: leader in this church where I was hated, and rather

1104
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 5: than running away from it, I decided that I need

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01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 5: to figure out a way to bring these two worlds

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Speaker 5: together so that this church would flourish. And I told him,

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 5: this is my vision for the party. I want to

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 5: look at what the party has been doing that is

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 5: still relevant and that is, you know, something that is

1110
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 5: moving forward, and I want to take new and bold

1111
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 5: perspectives and blend those things together. And this room that

1112
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 5: voted in an establishment chair voted in a grassroots rep

1113
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 5: for the executive for.

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Speaker 2: The State Executive Committee.

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Speaker 5: And so they actually loved me for the first year

1116
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: because I was up there at the table with David

1117
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 5: hann and every month I was saying, the people that

1118
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 5: are sending me up here, they're asking for financials.

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: They want to see.

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Speaker 5: A print out this financial report treasures report that we're

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01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 5: getting every month. It's bogus, you know, and I want

1122
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 5: to bring details back. They never gave me the financials,

1123
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 5: but I would report in great detail every month back

1124
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 5: to the CD what it was that I had done

1125
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 5: while I was in that room, And even people that

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 5: ended up voting for my removal would tell me, we've

1127
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 5: never had a rep that has gone and fought for

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01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 5: us the way that you do and bring back the

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 5: detailed reports that you bring back for the first time,

1130
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 5: we really feel like we know what's going on up

1131
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 5: there in that State Executive boardroom. And so we get

1132
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 5: into Caucus twenty twenty four, which I didn't understand the

1133
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 5: full history of outer Tail and the whole Republican Party

1134
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 5: and you know, having staffers as chairs to CDs and

1135
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 5: you know, all that stuff. I really didn't understand all

1136
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 5: of that at the time, but I was really clear

1137
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 5: when I was sitting in that boardroom and David hann

1138
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 5: was talking about how the the Caucus of c seven

1139
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 5: was an illegitimate caucus that needed to be nullified for X, Y,

1140
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 5: and Z reasons, and I was, and I kept asking questions,

1141
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 5: and I was. I think there were fifteen voting members

1142
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 5: of that board, and I think that there were five

1143
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 5: of us that voted against disenfranchising Ottertail County. But they

1144
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 5: went ahead and did it. And the suggestion, the suggestion

1145
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 5: from the State Executive Committee was that Ottertail just not

1146
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 5: have a BPOU convention this year. And I'm looking at

1147
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 5: the state constitution and I had asked somebody in an

1148
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 5: Ottertail for the Ottertail Constitution, and both of those constitutions

1149
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: say the same exact, the BPOU shall have an annual convention.

1150
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 5: I want that's pretty clear cut. Shall have means there's

1151
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 5: no gray area. You do it or you're in violation

1152
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 5: of the constitution. Well, probably about a week before their

1153
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 5: convention was the Olmsted County BPOU convention. That was on

1154
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 5: April sixth, and I was the chair of the convention

1155
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 5: and there was a delegate that stood up and said,

1156
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 5: I have a resolution to present, and the resolution was

1157
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 5: to support the seating of all of the otter Tail delegates.

1158
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 5: I had nothing to do with that resolution. All I

1159
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 5: did was ask for a second. There was a second,

1160
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 5: there was discussion, and then we took the vote. We

1161
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 5: probably had close to two hundred people in our convention.

1162
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 5: Olmsted County is a big county, and the body of delegates,

1163
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 5: I think all but three people voted to support Ottertail County.

1164
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 5: In my world, as a leader, that's a mandate. Ottertail

1165
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 5: calls me and says, would you come up? I said, well,

1166
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 5: as a matter of fact, this just happened in my

1167
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 5: own convention, so yes, I will come up and share

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01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 5: your convention for you.

1169
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: And within I remember, now you shared that, and that

1170
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: was the beginning of the That was the beginning of

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: the end. Yes, yeah, now I'm tuned in. Yeah.

1172
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 5: And so I was told that I was a trader,

1173
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 5: and then I was disloyal. And I mean for thirteen

1174
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 5: months that I sat at that State Executive Committee table,

1175
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 5: I was told every single month that I was disloyal

1176
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 5: and that I needed to resign my position, and I

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01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 5: just kept coming back month after month. And you know,

1178
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 5: because I figured out they're entitled to their opinions doesn't

1179
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 5: mean I have to listen to them, you know. And

1180
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 5: so within one month I was in my own removal process, and.

1181
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: There were I think there were.

1182
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Speaker 5: Fifty two people that were voting members in that meeting,

1183
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 5: but there were close to one hundred people that drove

1184
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 5: in from all over the state to support me, and

1185
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 5: all of those people were barred from the room.

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01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 2: That was the film. Yeah, were you were actually outside?

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 5: I was, well, I got kicked out of the meeting

1188
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 5: because they gave me ten minutes to make my defense,

1189
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 5: and I was I was pretty rattled over what was

1190
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 5: going on. And I told them, I said, you know,

1191
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 5: I really don't think that this is going to serve

1192
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 5: the purpose that you're hoping it's going to serve. You know,

1193
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 5: I think that if you remove me, that you're going

1194
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 5: to blow up the party. And the current CD one

1195
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 5: chair chose to ignore that. A particular congressman chose to

1196
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 5: ignore that. And sadly, at this point, so while I

1197
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 5: was the chair of Olmstead County, we would have somewhere

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Speaker 5: between sixty five and ninety five people that would attend

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Speaker 5: those meetings, and at this point in time, Olmsted is

1200
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 5: challenged to make a quorum of seventeen, and so they

1201
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 5: really blew up the party. Most of the people that

1202
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 5: were going to those meetings were grassroots people, and the

1203
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 5: grassroots was blown away that they had been and it

1204
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 5: wasn't about me at that point. It was about all

1205
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 5: these people that had supported me, and yeah, my ideology

1206
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 5: had supported ottertail and what the constitution says about what

1207
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 5: should take place. And so I mean that whole thing

1208
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 5: devolved very very quickly, which.

1209
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: Brings me to my point of where I've tried to

1210
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: set this up. Alex, that's evil. I mean, I'm you know,

1211
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: Alex is from my district. I'm sure he was on

1212
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: that executive committe because he was a national committeman at

1213
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: the time. I don't have to ask which way voted

1214
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 2: because I know which way voted. You know, this kind

1215
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: of stuff when you learn seeing because like you, I

1216
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: went in the party, I thought, oh, this is part

1217
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: of the people. I didn't know I was joining a cult.

1218
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a cult. You know, Well

1219
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: now we do. So then you go, well, in a cult,

1220
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: we're in a club, a club and a cult. There's

1221
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: a you know, it's a sliding scale. You can start

1222
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: a club here, enter here. You're just slide down and

1223
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: slide right down into a cult. And you know the

1224
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: farther up you go, and the more power is involved,

1225
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: the more cultish it gets. So what we're finding out

1226
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: now and I don't have any eight by ten glosses

1227
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: I did in the nineties, I don't have any now

1228
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: it's thirty year yars ago. Maybe things are better, maybe

1229
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: they're not. I don't know, But I do know that

1230
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: power in this world is aggregated at a level we

1231
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: can't even see. And the people who are elected, like

1232
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: said Congressman, we see him as being powerful, that he's

1233
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: been elected to a seat of power. No he's not.

1234
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: He's not in a seat of power. He's renting a seat.

1235
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: And if he does what he's told, he can keep

1236
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: his job in show business. And so when you see that,

1237
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: which you did, because I'm going to say back to

1238
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: what I heard, I heard that you read the constitution

1239
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: of the Outer Tail EPOU and of the State Party constitution,

1240
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: and you knew what the rules needed to be. Based

1241
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: on the rules, you had a vote and only three

1242
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: people were on the other side of the football. There

1243
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: was an overwhelming landslide which had nothing to do with you.

1244
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: You just happened to be the leader who was dealing

1245
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 2: with the delegate who brought forth emotion. You didn't orchestrate that.

1246
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: I did not. I didn't have anything to do with that, Right,

1247
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: You weren't looking for the fight. The fight just ended

1248
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 2: up on your lap. And because you saw yourself not

1249
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: as manipulating the delegates but serving them. See, it all

1250
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: depends on how you look at the polarity. If you

1251
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: look at the polarity. When you get to the top,

1252
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: you're the boss and everybody else is serving you. That's

1253
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 2: a very not winning strategy in a self governing republic. Actually,

1254
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: when you're the boss and a self governing republic, you

1255
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 2: serve everybody below yousolutely. It worked for themolutely, And you

1256
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: always have the rule book right next to you so

1257
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: that when you're serving people, you're serving them based on

1258
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: the rules that we've all agreed to do. You know what.

1259
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 5: The when I was served with documents from my removal,

1260
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 5: you know what the you know what, the first and

1261
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 5: biggest charge against me was, please was acting unconstitutionally great.

1262
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: So, and they're going to continue to because they watch this.

1263
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 2: I mean, these people, and they suck. And if you're

1264
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 2: listening to me, you know who you are and I

1265
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: know who you are. So when you pop your head up,

1266
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: it's going to get punched. We're done playing around with

1267
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: you people. There's no more mister nice guy. You see,

1268
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,959
Speaker 2: I'm also from Minnesota, so I'm affected with the Minnesota

1269
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: nice thing. Unlike my cohort here at Free People Radio,

1270
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: mister Royce White, who enjoys just screaming at people that

1271
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 2: are liars, he enjoys it. I personally don't enjoy it.

1272
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what happened to me, Tanner.

1273
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: I told you I'm really depressed. I've been depressed, and

1274
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why I'm depressed. The depravity is on

1275
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: full display because we're moving into the election season. So

1276
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: when you know it and you're connected to it like

1277
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: I am. I'm not saying I'm always right. I'm not,

1278
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: but I got a pretty good sense for what's going on.

1279
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: And I look at what's going on and I go,

1280
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: this is friggin depressing. What the party is doing really depressing.

1281
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: And then I realize what the solution is expressed rage,

1282
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 2: because you know, depression is rage turned inward. So I'm

1283
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: not going to do that to myself. I'm going to

1284
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: go after the people that I know are liars, and

1285
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I know they're lion, and now you need

1286
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: to know I know your lion, and you know that

1287
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: I know your lion. Everybody's going to know your liars.

1288
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: We've been working on that at Free People Radio. So

1289
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: of course they of course in the classic Sololenski model,

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Speaker 2: which is supposedly only on the left, but these people

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Speaker 2: are also on the left. We don't know that about

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party in Minnesota. It's very progressive. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you a funny story, because you're a woman of God.

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Speaker 2: I was at a meeting and Jim Schultz, I love you,

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Speaker 2: but I got to tell you. It was your meeting

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Business Alliance. I was invited because they think I

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Speaker 2: don't know why I was invited. Maybe Jim just likes

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Speaker 2: me because I like Jim. And I was leaving and

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Speaker 2: a guy walks up to me. He says, wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: somebody wants to talk to you before you leave. I said, okay, great,

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Speaker 2: and I wait and a guy walks up to me

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Speaker 2: and he goes, I just spent the day with Tom Emmer.

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Speaker 2: I go, that's cool. I got a message for you.

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: I go, you do? And here it was his message?

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Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm ready. Message one was a two

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Speaker 2: part message. First message, you're all listening out here? Are

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01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 2: you Christians that aren't voting for example, or you're not

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Speaker 2: in the party. Let me tell you you're doing exactly

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Speaker 2: what they want. Because the first message was there's too

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Speaker 2: many Christians in the Republican Party in Minnesota. But wow,

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Speaker 2: And my comment I was, man, you take the Christians

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Speaker 2: out of the party, there's not much left and they

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Speaker 2: sing there like one seven million of them and he goes.

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Speaker 2: And another thing, when it comes to this abortion issue,

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Speaker 2: I want you to know we support that because we

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Speaker 2: don't think poor women should have children. So that is

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Speaker 2: a wing of our party that really is holding the

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Speaker 2: levers of power in the party, and we are getting

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Speaker 2: closer to Eric Mortenson's And for those people that don't

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: like Apoel, let me just tell you in Tanner, you

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Speaker 2: know I feel this way. Everybody wants to agree with everybody.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to agree with anybody. I'm just looking

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Speaker 2: for aligned interests. It's politics. You don't have to like me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be likable. I'm trying to lay

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Speaker 2: out a case for what I think we need to

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Speaker 2: do to stay alive, and that if you really want

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Speaker 2: to stay alive, a little bit like the terminator, if

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Speaker 2: you want to live, follow me. Now. We're waiting for

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: the people of Minnesota to wake up to this, and

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Speaker 2: they will or they won't wake up in time. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for agreement. I'm looking for aligned interest

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Speaker 2: as you were saying, which was very eloquent, which is

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Speaker 2: a great segue into your run for secretary of state.

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Speaker 2: You had two groups. You had a traditionalist group and

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Speaker 2: you had grass roots. And your statement was much like

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Speaker 2: when you were doing the prayer services the music. You

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Speaker 2: were looking away to blend these two groups so that

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Speaker 2: you had a congregation. Yes, okay, that's a very beautiful idea.

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Speaker 2: And you know, not to get off on this thing

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Speaker 2: that we're kindred spirits, but that's exactly what I've been

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Speaker 2: talking about. We don't need to like each other, we

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Speaker 2: don't even need to agree with each other. We need

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Speaker 2: to find the areas where we have aligned interests. So

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story and then we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about Secretary of State. And if we run over

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Speaker 2: an hour and a half, so be it. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's my you know, if anybody's hanging in here, listening

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Speaker 2: to this. They need to know I'm getting to meet

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Speaker 2: Wendy Phillips. It's a thrill for me. I hope it's

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Speaker 2: a thrill for you too, because Wendy is a special person.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when I was doing the same thing

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Speaker 2: I was, I didn't call them freedom rallies, but I

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Speaker 2: was holding meetings. I came into the party in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one and I immediately got very active and started

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Speaker 2: holding these. I called them master classes. Again for those

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Speaker 2: of you out there, I'm not amazing. That's a musical reference,

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Speaker 2: actually so because you know, and I also want to

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Speaker 2: say why you're great for this if anybody wants to

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Speaker 2: know why Wendy's great for this. If you're a musician,

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Speaker 2: by definition, you're creative.

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Speaker 5: Not only that, but you know, as I'm training young musicians,

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Speaker 5: which I had many, many years of opportunity to do that,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that I would teach them is

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Speaker 5: that before you show up for rehearsal, you need to

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Speaker 5: be prepared. You need to do all of your homework.

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Speaker 5: You need to know that music inside and out, because

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Speaker 5: once you step into the band, your focus can no

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Speaker 5: longer be on yourself. You have to have that as

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Speaker 5: part of your muscle memory, and you have to take

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Speaker 5: the greatest part of your focus and listen to the

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Speaker 5: other instruments that are in the band and figure out

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Speaker 5: how you fit into that instrumentation. And I believe that

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Speaker 5: there is a whole lot of that going on in

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Speaker 5: politics as well. I have to be a great listener.

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Speaker 5: I'm not looking to create an echo chamber for myself

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Speaker 5: that is a bunch of vs people that are telling

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Speaker 5: me everything that I want to hear. I like having

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Speaker 5: people that will come up against me because I believe

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Speaker 5: that iron sharpens iron. And if we want to arrive

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Speaker 5: at the very best solutions for the people in the

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Speaker 5: state of Minnesota, we're going to have to be willing

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Speaker 5: to have some friction, you know, with the ideas that

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Speaker 5: we're proposing, and let that friction heat up to the

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Speaker 5: point that that these different ideas they converge and they

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Speaker 5: create something that is brand new.

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Speaker 2: Well let's just start here for those that when do

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Speaker 2: you just run every state? If you're watching me in Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: are you're watching me in Oregon? Are you're watching me

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Speaker 2: in Texas? I think Secretary of States are everywhere? Tireget

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Speaker 2: choice are shipped to an installer right by your house.

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Speaker 2: I believe. So, yes, what watch this now, audience? Watch this?

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Speaker 2: What is the primary or what are the main things

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Speaker 2: that the current Secretary of State Steve Simon, or that

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Speaker 2: that role itself. What are you task with overseeing as

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Speaker 2: the Secretary of State?

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Speaker 5: Well, the three bigs are the elections, Business Licensing, and

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Speaker 5: the State Flag and the State Seal. And then there's

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Speaker 5: a bunch of different departments that the Secretary of State

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Speaker 5: oversees as well. But as I'm looking at the big picture,

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Speaker 5: I believe that election integrity is the lunchpin for everything

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Speaker 5: right now. If we don't get our elections right, we

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Speaker 5: don't have much hope of getting anything else right. And

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Speaker 5: so I'm super focused on election integrity. In my opinion,

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Speaker 5: we need to go to a place where elections are

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Speaker 5: locally controlled, where they are completely secure, and they're transparent.

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Speaker 5: And what that translates to in my world is that

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Speaker 5: we need to go back to paper. We need to

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Speaker 5: have paper ballots. We need to have a hand count,

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Speaker 5: and same day voting and one day voting. There are

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Speaker 5: six things that are my bigs in the election integrity piece,

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Speaker 5: and those are the first three paper ballot, handcount, one

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Speaker 5: day voting. We need to end mail in ballot period.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about absentee ballot. I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: millions upon millions of ballots being mailed out unsolicited by

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Speaker 5: most of these people, and then the collection of those ballots.

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Speaker 5: That needs to stop. But we also need to clean

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Speaker 5: up the voter rules.

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Speaker 2: That is huge. And Steve Simon is obstructing here. He

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01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 2: is obstructing here very heavily.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And I would be like swinging that door open,

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Speaker 5: federal government, come on and help me out exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at this. Let's let's door on.

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Speaker 2: This is Minnesota still participating in the Eric system. Do

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: you know in the system Eric system? Okay, I don't

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: know what that is. Okay, something for you to do a

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01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: little homework and I may put you on the spot.

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Speaker 2: But iron, iron shop sharpens iron. You could go listen

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Speaker 2: to my last podcast. We covered it. We ran out

1432
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: of town. It was a two hour and seventeen minute podcast.

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Speaker 2: We got a little tannor and I got a little

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Speaker 2: wordy upfront because I was so happy the young man

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01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: went to Caucus. But we I covered a guy who

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Speaker 2: had been on MS and MSNBC and they portrayed him

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Speaker 2: as a nonpartisan director of a NGO and that NGO

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Speaker 2: was all about restoring faith in our elections. Well, his

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Speaker 2: previous history is that he had run the creation of ERIC,

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Speaker 2: which is a multi state strategy for registering voters and

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: cleaning up voter rolls, which if you talked to like

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01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: a Mike Lindella, Rick Wible, they'll say that's the center

1443
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: of the fraud because it, you know, stuffed people in

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Speaker 2: that don't deserve to be in there. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it was funded by the Pew Charitable Trust, and he had,

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Speaker 2: you know, they had a whole election program working by

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01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 2: a Pew which kicks out about three hundred million dollars

1448
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Speaker 2: a year in grants. And you know, it's just so

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01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: corrupt the way the mainstream media portrays this as being

1450
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: a nonpartisan. And it's even just to tell you where

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Speaker 2: I'm coming from on this. When I went into the

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: party in twenty one, I started we called the master classes,

1453
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Speaker 2: as I was saying, and my mentor at the time,

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Speaker 2: I did have a party mentor, a guy named Dave Kilo,

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01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: who was the chair of my BPOU. He said, well,

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Speaker 2: you just can't go do this. You got to go

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Speaker 2: do it through the party. I said, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to do this through the party. He said, no, you

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: have to otherwise. You know, it's a lack of sacred

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Speaker 2: honor because you're a party officer. So I went down

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Speaker 2: to the CD three Executive Committee and I put on

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Speaker 2: a presentation and I gained the support of the board

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Speaker 2: and Randy Sutter, who was the chair at the time.

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Speaker 2: You probably with on that probably had plenty of Randy.

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Speaker 2: Randy and I get along great politically, no personally. I

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Speaker 2: always gave him respect. But he said to me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll do this under two circumstances. Number one, CD three

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Speaker 2: is not putting a dime into it. Great, I'll pay

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Speaker 2: for it out of my own pocket. Number Two, this

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Speaker 2: is twenty one. Now, never discuss election integrity at any

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Speaker 2: of these meetings. So that's where the party was at

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01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 2: in twenty one, at least in CD three, and so

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Speaker 2: we over the course of the last five years or

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Speaker 2: five years. Really we've been moving towards a greater awareness

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 2: that this is a problem in the Republican Party, but

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01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: in the hierarchy probably there's a lot of people that

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with this issue. I would even

1478
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: to this day. So you know, you're saying that I'm

1479
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: going to run and this is my signature issue. I mean,

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: everybody's jumping on the bandwagon now, okay, because Trump is

1481
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: cracked the seal on this deal. There's federal the DOJ issue.

1482
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: In the state of Minnesota, Ellison is defending their trying

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 2: to keep these voter roles secret, et cetera, and so on,

1484
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: huge fight over it. So it would be kind of

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Speaker 2: take class, say for a Republican candidate or a Republican

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: officer to say free and fair elections. You guys are

1487
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: wing nuts. But I was there when they were calling

1488
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: people wing nuts for thinking that the elections were suspicious,

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Speaker 2: And so I want to know were anybody that's running

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Speaker 2: for secretary of State. I don't really care what you're

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01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: saying in twenty twenty six, What did you say in

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01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three? What did you say in twenty four?

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 2: Because see when Trump runs cover everybody's got balls, right, Okay,

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01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: what balls did you have back there when you were

1495
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 2: standing out there alone? Because I know what you were doing.

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01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 2: You stood up and they threw you out of the party, right, absolutely, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I have a very similar experience, you know, So I

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Speaker 2: was I was elected out. I mean, I you know,

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: that's a whole other story. The fist fight in the boardroom,

1500
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: the whole deal. I mean, I got a hold. We

1501
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: don't have time. I don't have a fist fight story.

1502
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: We had a fist fight. We had a fist flighty.

1503
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 2: But my point is that, yes, people can change. People

1504
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: could Like you said you you hadn't accepted Jesus Christ

1505
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: as your Lord and savior until later in your life.

1506
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 2: I was twenty nine myself, which means there was a

1507
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: lot of water under the bridge between thirteen and twenty nine,

1508
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 2: and I had a real serious conversion and it was

1509
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: real and I will stand on it, and anybody want

1510
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: to put me to the test, I'll go for it.

1511
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 2: But where were these people back then? Because I know

1512
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 2: where they were. They were hiding. They didn't have the

1513
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: courage to stand up and loudly protest because it's Minnesota,

1514
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: after all, We're such nice people. We trust everybody. We

1515
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: have free and fair life. Of course, we trust our government,

1516
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: of course. And these people that I started contending with

1517
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 2: back then are still running the party, not all of them.

1518
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: David Hand is replaced by Alex Plackish. That was not

1519
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: a movement forward, that was just a movement like a

1520
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 2: bowel movement. Okay, So I mean we still have the

1521
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: same people. Bobby Benson is still down there in CD six,

1522
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: Noreen's still up there in CD seven. The very people

1523
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: that made sure that you got smoked for something that

1524
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: you didn't even orchestrate blamed you as if you have

1525
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 2: some kind of God power over your delegates and you're

1526
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: going to control every moment. And that's not who you are.

1527
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: You don't see your job as being a controller. You

1528
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 2: see your job as being an educator, a servant. Right,

1529
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: So they're still out here. So as you roll into

1530
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: the Secretary of State campaign, which Tanner will put all

1531
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: of your contact information in the notes for the podcast,

1532
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: so that you know, and if you're out there and

1533
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: you like Wendy, send her some money. See I'm a

1534
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 2: little different than most people. I'm a businessman. You like

1535
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Wendy I like Wendy. She's running a insurgent campaign with

1536
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 2: probably very little to no support from the establishment. Probably

1537
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 2: their statement fair, right, have your group of people super

1538
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: name recognition in one part of the state. You're going

1539
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: to have to go all over to get this. But

1540
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 2: when people who vote understand, because see the general Republicans

1541
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 2: out there, the voters, the constituents, even if they don't

1542
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: admit it, they know the elections need to be looked into.

1543
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 2: That has become common knowledge. Not that everybody sits wrong

1544
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: and talks about it, but I think, what was it,

1545
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: seven or eighty percent of Americans want voter ID.

1546
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 5: Now, oh my gosh, I just saw a poll that

1547
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 5: was the Pew Research Center.

1548
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: Poll, and that's no friend of the people, eighty three percent.

1549
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 5: And when they broke it down, it was ninety five

1550
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 5: percent of Republicans want voter ID. And that was the

1551
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 5: one thing we haven't talked about yet seventy one percent

1552
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 5: of Democrats. So we already talked about five elements that

1553
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 5: I want to fix in our Minnesota elections. The final

1554
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 5: piece is voter ID. And I'm not just talking about

1555
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 5: a photo ID because our state's been giving driver's licenses

1556
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 5: to illegals for quite a while.

1557
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: Now, and automatic voter registration exactly, and twenty six states

1558
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 2: have automatic voters registration. Is that's just terrible. And you

1559
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: know what, thought the electoral college votes in those twenty

1560
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: six states is enough to win, just that they've already

1561
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 2: got the thing if it's true. Now, I'm all about

1562
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: trials and tribulations into positive evidence and using the adversarial

1563
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 2: system to prove this stuff one way or the other.

1564
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 2: But if you look at it from the outside like

1565
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 2: a poet. As a poet, I'm going to say it's

1566
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 2: rigged and we already lost. So if we're going to

1567
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 2: pull it back, it's going to take the citizens. And

1568
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: when you talk about an issue that unites left and right, that's.

1569
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 5: The issue absolutely, And I mean it needs to go

1570
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 5: a step beyond photo ID. There needs to be the

1571
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 5: evidence of citizenship and eligibility in that mix. You can't

1572
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 5: just show me a photo ID that shows me where

1573
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 5: you live and I go, great, come on in and vote.

1574
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 5: We need to know that that person is a citizen

1575
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 5: and has a legal right to vote, because otherwise they're

1576
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 5: disenfranchising your vote.

1577
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: And I want to say, as a constituent, you have

1578
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: to under just tolerate me. I'm a policy want and

1579
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: I never sleep and I read constantly. One of my

1580
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 2: greatest fears, I mean, not one of my probably my

1581
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 2: single greatest. I don't want to say fear because I

1582
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: don't want, but concern. It's not really a fear, not

1583
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: that I don't have anxiety and fear. And when I do,

1584
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: what runs through my mind is, oh, you faithless, right,

1585
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 2: come on? And I'm getting better at it. I believe.

1586
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 2: I believe Lord helped me with my unbelief right, Yeah,

1587
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, But I mean I'm getting better at it

1588
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: now because I figure if something really awful happens, it's

1589
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 2: what God wants for me. And I'm okay with that. Yeah,

1590
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: but I think President Trump is talking about federalizing elections

1591
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 2: and that's causing a lot of concerns. Got to say that.

1592
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: But what I'm concerned. My concern is that this need

1593
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 2: to determine who's a citizen ends up being a national

1594
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: digital ID. Yeah, that's not going to work.

1595
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 5: And I don't sit here and profess to have all

1596
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 5: the answers, just like you brought something up a few

1597
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 5: minutes ago that I don't have knowledge of I'm going

1598
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 5: to be transparent, and I'm going to tell you I

1599
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 5: am a learner and I learn every day of my life.

1600
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 5: And I don't have all the answers at this moment

1601
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 5: in time. But if we can set our sights on

1602
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 5: what it is that we believe that we need, which

1603
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 5: is being able to identify who is eligible to vote

1604
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 5: and who is not, and then we're going to have

1605
01:33:57,960 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 5: to really get creative.

1606
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Talk about that creative peace. It's super creative.

1607
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 5: How do you go about doing that without diminishing people's

1608
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 5: civil rights, without taking away their liberties?

1609
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 2: You don't want to take away their living But there's

1610
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 2: also a kind of an implicit racism in this that

1611
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 2: is just awful, Like we're going to be this and

1612
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: I see this with these you know, they're black academics

1613
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 2: that are on the legacy media and they talk about

1614
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 2: the disenfranchisement of and I'm thinking about Reverend Tim Christopher

1615
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 2: if he sees this. He's a podcaster here in town,

1616
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know what he would say,

1617
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,879
Speaker 2: but I'm going to say, everybody who's an American citizen

1618
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 2: is capable of fulfilling whatever this requirement is if they

1619
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 2: want to vote if you don't want to vote, fine,

1620
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: don't vote. I'd reck. You know, it's kind of like

1621
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 2: the death penalty in reverse. I'm not and people are

1622
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 2: going to get mad at me for saying it. And

1623
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 2: I said it some place, I don't. I say it

1624
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,440
Speaker 2: on here. I said it's someplace. I'm not pro death penalty.

1625
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm not. And I'll tell you why. I don't want

1626
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 2: to see any innocent people get killed. Okay, that's good

1627
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 2: enough for me. One innocent man or women killed with

1628
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 2: state power that scares that is a concern, and vice versa.

1629
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 2: You know, if we got one person voting that's not

1630
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: supposed to vote, that's not cool. So we're going to

1631
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 2: have to And if we really wanted to heal these

1632
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 2: two camps that have such great agreement about this issue,

1633
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: why are we fencing this as a partisan issue. Well,

1634
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 2: the people aren't. It's the pundits and the people that

1635
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 2: are on the payroll, which is a damn good indicator

1636
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 2: that something's called dougorous is at foot. But there's another

1637
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 2: product that you said, which I think is super cool,

1638
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 2: the business licenses. There's forty thousand NGOs in Minnesota, every

1639
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: one of them renewed their business license every year. Anybody

1640
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: looking at these ends you certainly Keith Ellison, who has

1641
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 2: dominion or or them, was not paying attention to them.

1642
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 5: So you know, what I found out in my research

1643
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 5: is that the NGO licenses are kind of split between

1644
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State and the Attorney General. And so

1645
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 5: there is the ability of SOS to have some oversight

1646
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 5: in that.

1647
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 2: Well, we certainly needed, isn't it under this now? Again?

1648
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 2: Because I'm an evidence based guy. When I'm not into

1649
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'm all into the supernatural when it's me

1650
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: like me, And if I got another person that believes

1651
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 2: in it like me, maybe we can have some agreement.

1652
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 2: But for the purposes of government, we got to have proof.

1653
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: We got it. Absolutely, We have to have dispositive evidence

1654
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 2: in courts of law investigations. Not that it's necessarily going

1655
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 2: to change what I think or don't think, No, but

1656
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 2: due process is an important It's it's the thing. It's

1657
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 2: the thing. Otherwise what are we doing? Right? And because

1658
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 2: if you have discernment, or you have feelings, or you

1659
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 2: have all kinds of other skills, yeah, you can see

1660
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: what's going on. And I'm gonna tell you you don't

1661
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 2: know about Eric. You're gonna go look it up. You're

1662
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: gonna say, oh, that was cool. And I wasn't meaning

1663
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: to aunt you. But you know what, the honesty is

1664
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 2: more important than you knowing. You see, we have a

1665
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 2: lot of people in politics that lie every time their

1666
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 2: lips move, and those people I'm opposed to. I'm not

1667
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 2: opposed to people. And I say all the time, I

1668
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: don't know, I really don't know. Tell me. And I'm

1669
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 2: not afraid to have limits to my knowledge, and I'm

1670
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: not afraid to make mistakes. And I'm not saying I

1671
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 2: never lie, but I will say this when I lie.

1672
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: Somebody told me something and I didn't take the time

1673
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 2: to research it, and I feel terrible when I do that.

1674
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm mean, I've become much better doing this job. But

1675
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 2: don't you go back and own it too. Most of

1676
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: the time I try to.

1677
01:37:55,640 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 5: I hate too, because I make mistakes regular basis they

1678
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 5: will alter.

1679
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 2: I mean, if you how can you how can you.

1680
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 5: Be in this and and understand everything about it and

1681
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 5: all the moving parts and do everything right all the time.

1682
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 2: Nobody is capable of that.

1683
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 5: There's one person that has walked this planet that's capable

1684
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 5: of that, you know, and we call him Lord. And

1685
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 5: so when I do things wrong, I try to be

1686
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 5: a stand up person, own them and ask for forgiveness.

1687
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 5: And you know what, sometimes those things are going to

1688
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 5: be so big that they will take you out. And

1689
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 5: other times you may get you know, bumped and bruised

1690
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 5: a little bit and then continue on your merry way,

1691
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 5: on the same path that you've been on. But for

1692
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 5: me personally, I find that my spirit gets degraded for

1693
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 5: the more of those things that are happening that I

1694
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 5: just kind of go, well, that wasn't a very big deal,

1695
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm going to push that off to

1696
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 5: the side for now. But those things add up really

1697
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 5: quickly too. And so I'm not about airing all of

1698
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 5: your dirty laundry in public. I don't think that that's

1699
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 5: a solution either. But I think to have accountability people

1700
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 5: in our lives that we can go to and we

1701
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 5: can explain a situation and we can ask them for

1702
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 5: their wise counsel. That would be more objective than me

1703
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 5: looking at my own situation and trying to figure it

1704
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 5: out and then trusting those people enough in the council

1705
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 5: that they give you and following that path to making

1706
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 5: things right again. I believe in my heart of hearts,

1707
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 5: and this is true of the way that I look

1708
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 5: at other people. Is that if you came to me

1709
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 5: and you told me an egregious lie, intentionally or unintentionally,

1710
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 5: or you told me a small lie intentionally or unintentionally,

1711
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 5: and then you realized after the fact, and you came

1712
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 5: back to me and you said, Wendy, I need to

1713
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 5: tell you this, I would have so much respect for

1714
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 5: you for having done that, because that takes a lot

1715
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 5: of courage to own the things that we've done in

1716
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 5: this life that have been less than our best. Whoever

1717
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 5: wants to to show that side of themselves, but the

1718
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 5: humility and the level of honesty, those things are going

1719
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 5: to to lend themselves to filling our tank, our integrity tank.

1720
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 2: You know that's what's un empty.

1721
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 5: And well, maybe for some people, I'm feeling pretty good

1722
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 5: about myself.

1723
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 2: Because I'm talking about in the political m oh oh, absolutely,

1724
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 2: or even in the professional realm. I mean, if you

1725
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 2: take a look at the professional states, doctors, lawyers, architects, priests,

1726
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean that tank's a little bit empty after the

1727
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 2: last whatever. And now in the political realm, I mean

1728
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 2: twenty billion, fifty billion, you know, I mean, who knows.

1729
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: I mean, let's try this and figure out what's going on. Tanner.

1730
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 2: Did you see that thing on X where that Somali

1731
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 2: woman was going through the airport just in the last

1732
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 2: month and she had seven hundred thousand bucks in cash

1733
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: in her suitcase?

1734
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know when did that happen? I sided

1735
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 3: it was.

1736
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 2: Supposed to be recent, was supposed to be very recent. Okay,

1737
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 2: so the cash is still leaving. Where's the cash coming from?

1738
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 2: You know?

1739
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 5: So now we're talking about it openly, but we're still

1740
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 5: letting them will fly it out of the country.

1741
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 2: What's really changed so far? So far? Really, what has changed?

1742
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean structurally structurally in the state of Minnesota. Nothing.

1743
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 2: In fact, we've seen a huge organized effort to stop

1744
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 2: whatever changed that the administration was trying to create. So

1745
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 2: and what's interesting, and we've said this on the podcast

1746
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 2: many times, the off ramp offered to the state of

1747
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 2: Minnesota to remove Ice from the state was just turn

1748
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 2: over the voter rules, and people went crazy like it

1749
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 2: was some kind of extortionist plot. Yes, politics, that's why.

1750
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 2: What do you think It's like, there's rules here? There's

1751
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: no rules right now. We're living in a moment where

1752
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: the rules are really obscure, obscure suspended. And so you're

1753
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 2: going to you're running for secretary of State, You're running

1754
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 2: a state wide race. I presume you're going all over

1755
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: the state. Is that? How's that going for you?

1756
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 5: A lot of miles on the car. But you know what,

1757
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 5: I'm a people person. I actually enjoy people. I love

1758
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 5: meeting them, I love talking with them. I like it

1759
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 5: because I feel like I can go out there and

1760
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 5: be myself. Not everybody appreciates me in my authenticity, and

1761
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 5: that's fine. I'm not everybody's cup of tea. But I

1762
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 5: like going out there and being real and going home

1763
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 5: after the event and doing kind of an inventory of

1764
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 5: what took place in that space, not time, and when

1765
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 5: I can look at that event and I.

1766
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 2: Can go Wendy, you were honest. You know.

1767
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 5: People challenged you on certain things. Rather than telling them

1768
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 5: what you know that they wanted to hear from you,

1769
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 5: you told them the truth, you know, And that's all

1770
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 5: I can do. That's the best thing that I can do.

1771
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 5: And if it's God's will for me to actually serve

1772
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 5: in this office for the next four years, I'll do

1773
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 5: it with my whole heart. I'm already building the team

1774
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 5: of amazing election integrity people of Professor Emeritis and Constitution

1775
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 5: and law that I've got on board. There are different

1776
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 5: peopleople that I'm having conversations with that are kind of

1777
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 5: the election integrity lawyers around the state, and it's just

1778
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 5: the adventure of going out there and doing it and

1779
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 5: being a really straight shooter and trusting God with the outcome.

1780
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 5: That's the thing that keeps coming to me over and

1781
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 5: over again. If I'm going to be able to do

1782
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 5: this and actually stay in this for the long haul,

1783
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 5: I have to be who I am. People have to

1784
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 5: know what they can expect from me and where I

1785
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 5: stand on certain issues. And if people come to me

1786
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 5: and they present me with a valid argument that would

1787
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 5: actually influence me, then I'm open for that as well.

1788
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 5: Because once again, I don't have all the answers to

1789
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 5: all the questions. What I do have is a good

1790
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 5: head on my shoulders. I have common sense. I believe

1791
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 5: that my eyes are open to the reality of what's

1792
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 5: going on in government right now, even though it's been

1793
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 5: heartbreaking and at moments in time has made me sick

1794
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 5: to my stomach as I find certain things out, you know,

1795
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 5: But I'm in this and I'm being real, and I

1796
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 5: will serve with my whole heart.

1797
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things we talk about a

1798
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 2: lot on the podcast, there's a certain bias towards professional

1799
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 2: degrees and experience, and what I've learned, much to my dismay,

1800
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 2: is that just means you're a culturated into a business

1801
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 2: model of deceit, abuse, and fraud, in my opinion. So

1802
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 2: what we talk a lot about on the podcast is

1803
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: this is only going to change when every day regular

1804
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 2: American citizens to use a biblical reference, pick up their

1805
01:45:56,439 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 2: cross and go into politics, which is not fun all

1806
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 2: the time. Sometimes it's fun, This is fun, but I

1807
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 2: mean having a good time. Yeah, I mean it's fun

1808
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 2: to meet people. I mean it's great, but you have

1809
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 2: to do things. It's a lot of work, and we've

1810
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 2: outsourced that work to a political class of people that

1811
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 2: are skullduggerous criminals in my opinion, And I just want

1812
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 2: to get the eight by ten glossies and start putting

1813
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 2: these people away. And that's where I'm coming from. I

1814
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: don't want anybody, I don't want to impugne anybody unless

1815
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 2: they're criminals, and I want to prove their criminals if

1816
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 2: they know I'm not. But I mean, this thing that

1817
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 2: happened to you and the party, I mean, it's not

1818
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 2: really criminal. Maybe it is criminal, I don't know, but

1819
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 2: it is definitely an ethical and it's immoral in undermining

1820
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 2: what you said was so true. All those regular everyday citizens,

1821
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 2: when they saw what happened to you, disappeared. They don't

1822
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,600
Speaker 2: come to the meetings anymore. They gave up. And the

1823
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 2: hierarchy knows that. They know if they shut on people enough,

1824
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 2: people of goodwill and good conscience will give up because

1825
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 2: they're not really trained to put up with battle, and

1826
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 2: and you know, have the endurance to keep going till

1827
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 2: the end, as it says in Matthew ten thirty four,

1828
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: don't give up. Keep going. You know, you go till

1829
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 2: the end, you'll get saved. There's no off there's no

1830
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 2: off ramp. Oh man, this is tough. I think I'm

1831
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna quit. And that's not what you did. I mean,

1832
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 2: you took really a I saw that film. You were

1833
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 2: not happy, you were scond actually and hurt. You were hurt.

1834
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 2: You were hurt after that, and you know you've managed

1835
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: to get back in to the game. You're doing something

1836
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 2: very valuable. I personally think, and when I'm in this

1837
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 2: interview role, I try not to editorialize too much, but

1838
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: I think your presentation of self in everyday life is

1839
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 2: pretty right for this job. Because these people go in

1840
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 2: there and they disappear. They've never seen again. Secretary of State,

1841
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 2: name the guy before, Steve Simon. You know, we don't

1842
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 2: this is We see this as not being an important

1843
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 2: thing really, and actually it's the center of the thing.

1844
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 2: So if someone is going to confront this, they have

1845
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 2: to have the right personality to do it, the right look,

1846
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 2: the right tone. Like for me, I'm not the right

1847
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 2: guy for this. I get pissed. You're a little bit

1848
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 2: more even keeled than I am. But I'm just gonna

1849
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 2: because you haven't seen my irish come up yet. It is.

1850
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm very happy you came in, and

1851
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,440
Speaker 2: you're welcome to come back during the course of the campaign.

1852
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 2: Come in when we do the morning morning show. It'll

1853
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 2: have a huge audience. And we never talked about tire yet,

1854
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: Tanner beat on me next time, wad you we pay

1855
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,600
Speaker 2: the bills around here with a little tire strategy we

1856
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 2: have called tire get dot Com where people can get

1857
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 2: any tire that they need for their consumer vehicles at

1858
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: the right price, and we mount and balance them right

1859
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 2: by your house. So anybody that needs tires. Oh, and

1860
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 2: Tanner now is pulling up here, we can all go

1861
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 2: to the Free People's Store, which is Free People Radio

1862
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 2: Upward Slash Store, because we want to get this out

1863
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 2: there just right. We're not far right, we're just right.

1864
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: We're just right. So it's great to meet you. We

1865
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 2: have never I mean, I hope this is the start

1866
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 2: of a friendship and association for us. I don't dislike

1867
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,600
Speaker 2: the person who's working against or trying to get the

1868
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 2: endorsement also himself. I mean, I don't dislike him because

1869
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 2: I don't know him.

1870
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't know him either. He seems like a nice man.

1871
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,879
Speaker 5: I have no problem to be a democrat. I understand

1872
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 5: very very establishment. The establishment seems to like them. They

1873
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 5: pull him out like a rabbit out of the hat. Geez,

1874
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:00,040
Speaker 5: who are going to get for this called Tad? No,

1875
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 5: we don't want that. And Tad, you're welcome to come

1876
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 5: on here. And Tad and I get along when I

1877
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 5: see him. We're very cordial with each other. You know,

1878
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 5: the only time I get mad at people is when

1879
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 5: they lie. Tad's never lied to me, so I don't

1880
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 5: have a bone to pick with them. But he's welcome

1881
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 5: to come in. And I want to know Tad. Back

1882
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 5: there in the day, when Randy Sutter and David hann

1883
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 5: were telling me never discuss election integrity, they muzzled me

1884
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,559
Speaker 5: so that I could be a party participant and put

1885
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 5: on events.

1886
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 2: Where were you? Where were you all? Now everybody's at Now,

1887
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: everybody's a hero because Donald Trump's coming and he's taking

1888
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 2: all the slings and arrows for these folks. I watched

1889
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 2: Alex Pleckish call somebody on my committee. We were on

1890
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 2: the same BPOU for two years. I know Alex will

1891
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 2: oh so well. I watched him insult someone, I mean

1892
01:50:55,960 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 2: really verbally insult them because they had can concerns about

1893
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 2: election integrity and he was insulting to shut him up,

1894
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean really insulting. So, I mean, I know where

1895
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 2: the hierarchy stood back in the day before it was fashionable. Okay,

1896
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: well what's fashionable now is not enough to get the

1897
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 2: job done. Now we got a whole new set of problems.

1898
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Go forward, and what do people have the courage to say.

1899
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 2: That's why I brought up the digital ID. I don't

1900
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 2: want there to be I don't want this election integrity

1901
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 2: thing to be the trojan horse through which we all

1902
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 2: have a digital ID. So I'm just going to not

1903
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:39,680
Speaker 2: be a solution. I'm just throwing that in there as

1904
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:41,520
Speaker 2: a constituent. I'm a constituent.

1905
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 5: Well, maybe you need to be part of the team

1906
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 5: that is figuring out how we get eligible voters.

1907
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 2: You bring the whole team in at the table here

1908
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 2: that we don't have to go into it. I would love,

1909
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 2: I would love to delve into that. We got four

1910
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 2: seats here and bring them on because where is that

1911
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 2: conversation I'm not hearing. It seems to be a seems

1912
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:05,919
Speaker 2: to be a rather important issue.

1913
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 5: We'll tell you what I think that everything hinges on elections,

1914
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 5: and if we cannot get that component right, it's going

1915
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 5: to be really tough to straighten out anything else.

1916
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 2: There's a couple of people running for governor that say

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Speaker 2: The rest of the folks not so much, you know,

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Speaker 2: not trying to put my thumb on the scale. I'm

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Speaker 2: just calling them like I see them. I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: been listening to Phil talk about these issues for a

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Speaker 2: very long time. I've been watching Michael Lindale give up

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Speaker 2: a lot, that's right. I mean, it's one thing to talk.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what Phil gave up. Phil might

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Speaker 2: have given up a lot too. I know what I'm

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Speaker 2: giving up. So you know the rest of these people,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they really put it on the

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Speaker 2: line for this issue. And I agree with you, very

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Speaker 2: important issue.

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Speaker 5: I'm putting it on the line and I'm teeing it

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Speaker 5: up to fix it.

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Speaker 2: All. Great, we could have a dream team election. I

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Speaker 2: would love that, you know what. And they tell me

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Speaker 2: the establishment that this candidate's not electable or that candidate's

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Speaker 2: not electable. Let's all get behind Michelle Tafoya and you know,

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Speaker 2: we had this thing. And I'm going to end on

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Speaker 2: this and I'm going to delve on this Thursday. You know,

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Speaker 2: bad Bunny, Bad Bunny. I haven't watched the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: many years because I realized bread and circuses are not

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Speaker 2: for me. Now, if you like football and you like athletics,

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Speaker 2: that's great. But I'm a protester I don't known any

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Speaker 2: four one K money either, because I know what makes

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Speaker 2: that stock market goal, you know, around my campfire at home,

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Speaker 2: I got some people that are not happy with me.

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Speaker 2: But I'm a man of at least on my own

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Speaker 2: way of thinking some principle, so I'm not big on

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Speaker 2: But I did watch it because I want to see

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Speaker 2: what the hullabaloo was about Bad Bunny, and I watched

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Speaker 2: it and I read all the stuff on X and

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Speaker 2: I want everybody to know the same people that paid

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Speaker 2: Bad Bunny to do that, if you didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say if I did or I

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Speaker 2: didn't like it. I'm just going to say, if you

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Speaker 2: didn't like it, you know fifteen minutes of Spanish and

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Speaker 2: lyrics that you know, peel the paint right off the wall,

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Speaker 2: and you know it was insulting for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: You know who paid him to do that, the same

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Speaker 2: people that paid Michelle de Foyer for thirty years. The

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Speaker 2: money is exactly the same, The people are all the same.

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Speaker 2: So I asked myself, I asked myself, if you're able

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Speaker 2: to stay on that payroll for thirty years, how did

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Speaker 2: you do that? I couldn't have done it, I would

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Speaker 2: have said, hey, you know what, you I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to do that. That's me. So how are we going

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Speaker 2: to go from where we are today and fix our

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Speaker 2: elections and restore our republic with people that are on

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Speaker 2: the payroll of the very folks that ran Bad Bunny

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Speaker 2: up everybody's asked last night or this weekend. I asked

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Speaker 2: myself questions like that, and I'm waiting for the citizens

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota to put the dots together instead of impugning

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Speaker 2: me for the obvious critique which cannot really be denied.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all have a master. Bob Dylan said,

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Speaker 2: it could be the devil, it could be the Lord.

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Speaker 2: We all got to serve somebody. Who are we serving

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Speaker 2: when we work for comcasts in NBC. Who are those people?

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Speaker 2: They're the people that put Bad Bundy up there, That's

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Speaker 2: what they are, and who paid them. They're just to

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Speaker 2: pass through. It's the billionaires that own these teams that

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01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 2: had a little consul and said, let's let the whole

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Speaker 2: world know who our constituents are. And yet we're going

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Speaker 2: to continue to watch football, right because we love football.

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Speaker 2: We got to get serious about beating this evil.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it is a battle of good versus evil. It's

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Speaker 5: not Republican against Democrat, it's not grassroots against establishment. It

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Speaker 5: is absolutely good versus evil.

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Speaker 2: And that's a great way to end because I like

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Speaker 2: to say this for the Michelle Tafoyas and the Tom

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Speaker 2: Emmers and the Bobby Bensons. I'm not a judge, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be a judge. When people drop

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Speaker 2: their baggage and give over there, I love them. Everything

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Speaker 2: is forgiven. Right.

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Speaker 5: If you add that, you talk about clean slate, that's

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Speaker 5: when it happens.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: I've experienced it, you know, I came to Christ in

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Speaker 5: my forties. I have a very clear delineation between life

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Speaker 5: without Christ and life with Christ. And it is absolutely

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Speaker 5: transformative and anybody can experience it. They just need to

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Speaker 5: put their faith in Jesus and ask him for his help,

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Speaker 5: and it's going to be a brand new ballgame.

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Speaker 2: And you know, this is why I say that the

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01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 2: New Testament is such a great guidebook for the times

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Speaker 2: we're in because it says, if you have faith, you

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01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 2: can throw a mountain into the sea. People go, how's

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01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 2: that supposed to work? Well, you know, the mountain is

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01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 2: all the money that these NFL billionaire owners possess and

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Speaker 2: the Pure Charitable Charitable Trust, and the Rockefeller Charitable Trust,

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Speaker 2: and the Ford Foundation and the MacArthur Foundation, and all

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Speaker 2: these NGOs and all this media all arrayed against us

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Speaker 2: to break our brains so that we do what give

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Speaker 2: up our faith?

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Speaker 5: Do you know what else the mountain is? Though, it's

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Speaker 5: all the sin in my life that ruled me before

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Speaker 5: I put my faith in Christ and he changed everything.

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Speaker 2: That's the mountain for me. The mountain has a lot

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Speaker 2: of different interpretations. It does. That's what's great about the Bible.

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Speaker 2: It's always also written. It's living and breathing right right

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Speaker 2: here for us. So what we're trying to do, and

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Speaker 2: we say in the podcast, Republicanism not the party, the

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Speaker 2: philosophy is looking for that same baggage drop where we

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: give over. It could be for Christ, but Republicans are

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01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 2: so bad ass. It doesn't have to be for Christ,

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01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 2: but give over to our country, for the institutions of

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Speaker 2: our country, for our institutions of our faith in our country,

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Speaker 2: which is based on George Washington couldn't tell a lie,

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Speaker 2: honest dable Lincoln. We got to start at the very

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Speaker 2: basic let's not lie to each other. We don't have

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Speaker 2: to agree, we don't have to like each other. We're

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Speaker 2: looking for a lined interest and you miss Wendy Phillips.

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Speaker 2: It's got a great issue. You've really given me something

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Speaker 2: to think about because both the left and right agree

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Speaker 2: on something you wouldn't think they agree about. Which they

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01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 2: want voter id. They want their votes to count. They

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Speaker 2: don't want the appearance of a choice. They don't want

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Speaker 2: fake freedom, they really want free will want authenticity. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you got a great issue. If you can get that

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Speaker 2: out there like that, well you get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Democrat votes. I'm counting on it. Wow. What a great

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Speaker 2: way to add was very, very very fun. Look, we

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 2: went through two hours. It went'mised so fast. It was great,

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Speaker 2: wasn't it. It was wonderful. You're welcome to come back

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Speaker 2: to Anner. Let's try to have Wendy back when she's

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Speaker 2: up in town. Okay, and Tanner, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for staying late tonight to do this. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thankith Tanner. Yeah, it was really great to meet youa

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Speaker 5: it's good to me. And thanks for becoming a delegate. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: going to caucus, that's amazing a.

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Speaker 3: Little scary, but well we'll make our way. I got

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Speaker 3: a good support night here.

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