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Speaker 4: Tow truck driver. That's a hard one, Okay, that's the

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Speaker 4: I tried to tell you guys, there's a two player draft,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, one until what time?

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Speaker 6: Looking for a career?

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Speaker 5: Yeah all right. Uh, it is Tuesday here at Jills Stadium,

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Speaker 5: and it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, and

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Speaker 5: we're talking Patriots. We're getting closer to the draft. I

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Speaker 5: can't believe next week, next week is the draft. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: I'm ready for the draft. I'm ready for the draft

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've I've been grinding away at my wide receiver,

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Speaker 6: Okay, look forward to that. Maybe on Thursday, maybe next Tuesday,

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Speaker 6: next week, next Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: I could have it for this Thursday. But I want

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Speaker 5: I'll have my back of the envelope players.

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Speaker 6: All right, I look forward to us.

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Speaker 1: It's good coming.

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Speaker 9: You're coming in with the can get your dose of

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Speaker 6: The show though. It's back at the envelope guys. We

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's new to me.

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Speaker 1: It's a guy named Travis Hunter. I guess he plays

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Speaker 5: Like the competitiveness full time or does did he not

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Speaker 5: It's crazy crazy, you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 6: And I think it would be team dependent. Cincinnati probably

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Speaker 6: You seem to be in the majority. A lot of

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Speaker 1: That's the wild cars have a workout.

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Speaker 6: So we were going to have a guest, so I'm

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Speaker 5: It's Marcus jest. What's up, Marcus good? Good? So you're

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Speaker 10: That's great, something that's awesome, something like that.

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Speaker 5: Well, welcome to Patriots unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate first.

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Speaker 5: We might have had you on draft after the draft.

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Speaker 1: A while, but his parents are of the show for sure.

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Speaker 5: So Marcus, Mike Evan, you know these guys, you've had

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Speaker 10: Right, Oh yeah, how was that? It was great? Spent

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Speaker 11: I was happy to end up seeing just flag football

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Speaker 9: Well I got as because this year we had New

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Speaker 5: But it's not just music. I saw you doing color

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Speaker 10: For sure where you're gonna get into it. Like I said,

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Speaker 5: Are you paying any attention to the draft or are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I left him off my big board. We me

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Speaker 9: I've done like fifteen years, Like here are my fifty

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we're inducting an old coach into the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when it comes to coach Rabel and this defense,

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Speaker 5: You know, well, listen, we could talk to you all day.

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Speaker 5: I know you got other things. We appreciate you stopping by,

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Speaker 5: and you know, you get your music, you got your

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Speaker 5: color you're a colorists, you're doing all that stuff. If

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Speaker 10: Okay, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we'll do the Marcus Jones podcast whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 10: Definitely make that happen. I appreciate you guys so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 12: You, Marcus Jones.

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Speaker 5: Everybody nice. Nice to see him here. See the rest

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Speaker 9: I just get a kick out of this because it's

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Speaker 1: It is great, right, we're in the name stop in. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I can't believe you had him off your big board deuce. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: how did that?

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Speaker 9: It was one of my regret ones. You know when

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Speaker 7: Dis messing with you.

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Speaker 4: But the three phases, right, I mean, especially you know

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Speaker 7: I was like, how could this guy not be a Patriot?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what did he say.

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Speaker 7: He said, it'd be tough.

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Speaker 5: he's a three way player, right, Yeah, you know for sure.

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Speaker 5: So we don't need I have a Hunter, right.

445
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,080
Speaker 9: We need all the weapons we can get. I'm excited

446
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,320
Speaker 9: to just see what Josh.

447
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 1: Thinks of him, what Josh is gonna do with him

448
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 1: a little bit maybe, you know.

449
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

450
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,040
Speaker 4: In like the Gadget game, like the screens and things

451
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,080
Speaker 4: like that, like that, that touchdown against Buffalo like always

452
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,720
Speaker 4: stands out to me, just even if it's just once

453
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 4: or twice a game, we throw a screen to him

454
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 4: and then you can use him as a decoy once

455
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,479
Speaker 4: you set up the fact that you will throw him

456
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Speaker 4: a screen every once in a while. So he's he's

457
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,359
Speaker 4: a useful player, and you know he's not. He didn't

458
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Speaker 4: play quite as much full time on both sides like

459
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter did, but in the league, he's probably the

460
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,320
Speaker 4: closest thing that we have a cornerback, you know, wide

461
00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000
Speaker 4: receiver on offense to Travis Hunter.

462
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Speaker 2: Yep.

463
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Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know if too many other guys.

464
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Speaker 6: I can't even think of one off the top of

465
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Speaker 6: my head playing both ways.

466
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Speaker 5: All right, So what were we talking about before we

467
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Speaker 5: came in. We're talking about the draft back of the envelope. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 5: and so we were about to start talking about the

469
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 5: latest that the Giants are going to have another private

470
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Speaker 5: workout with Shoudorce.

471
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Speaker 9: Paul's got this all laid out right now. He's got

472
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Speaker 9: the complete beat on what we just did our I.

473
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Speaker 6: Think it's great though. I think it's it's great. Uh

474
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Speaker 6: you know, I think people are trying to make too.

475
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Speaker 6: That's part of my reasoning. I think this is sort

476
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Speaker 6: of the Giants putting a big sign saying open for

477
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Speaker 6: business at the top.

478
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Speaker 5: I think so too.

479
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 6: I know, yeah, because I don't think that they have

480
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Speaker 6: a lot of interest in drafting Shudeau Sanders at three. Now,

481
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Speaker 6: the news with the Saints that came out over the

482
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Speaker 6: weekend about Derek Carr. You know, maybe they're trying to say, hey,

483
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,640
Speaker 6: you you really need him now, we'll take them. We're

484
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 6: interested in Sanders, so if you, you know, don't rule

485
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Speaker 6: it out. I think it's hard to convince someone that

486
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Speaker 6: you're going to take them if you're looking to trade

487
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Speaker 6: with that, you know what I mean. Like so, I

488
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 6: think they're trying to just sort of drum up some

489
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Speaker 6: some business patriots.

490
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Speaker 9: Last year a little bit when they probably knew they

491
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 9: were taking Drake May. But they're at least putting out

492
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Speaker 9: there like I don't know, we'd be open to here stuff.

493
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Speaker 6: But yeah, And the difference with that is there were

494
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Speaker 6: other options, Like you could legitimately convince somebody, well, I

495
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 6: really want Jayden Daniels. But if I can't get Jayden Daniels,

496
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 6: then it makes no difference to me whether it's Drake

497
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 6: may or JJ McCarthy or Bo Nicks. You could convince

498
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Speaker 6: someone of that this if if I don't want Shadas Sanders,

499
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 6: you know, does it Jackson Dart I think that's a

500
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 6: tough sell.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

502
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Speaker 5: So I'm wondering, like, has there ever been an incident

503
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Speaker 5: in the history of the draft where a team went

504
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 5: for this private workout and changed their mind, Like like

505
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,439
Speaker 5: something in the private workout change their Yeah, I just

506
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 5: don't know, Like I know it's you know, Famously, Dante

507
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 5: Scarnakia went out and worked out Nate Solder in Colorado

508
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 5: like two days before the draft and then came back

509
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 5: and suggested that they take him, and they did in

510
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 5: the second round. But this is first round. Walmar was

511
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Speaker 5: a first round pick. Oh, Solder, I'm sorry, Yeah, Solder

512
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 5: was a first round pick.

513
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Speaker 6: You're good, You're doing good. Yeah, doing good.

514
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Speaker 5: But I'm but this is a little bit more drastic

515
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 5: than that. If if they ended up because of this

516
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 5: taking him high in the first round.

517
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Speaker 6: Uh so, I don't know if it's been a smoke

518
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 6: screen all along.

519
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

520
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 6: Maybe they have really been interested in I'd.

521
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 5: Love to know if there was a team that that

522
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 5: last workout did it for them.

523
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Speaker 1: Well, I ask you, Fred, You've interviewed a lot of people.

524
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Speaker 9: Have you ever had somebody you think you like, you

525
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 9: get to a final interview, You're like, let's just bring

526
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 9: this guy in to make sure and then yeah.

527
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: They kind of pooped the bed.

528
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 5: Yeah sure, yeah, both ways. Yeah, some people wow in

529
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 5: that interview, but it wasn't like you can't compare it

530
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Speaker 5: to him.

531
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Speaker 9: Yeah, really you know physically, I mean you think it'd

532
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 9: be more physical or mental like Yeah.

533
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 5: So I guess the second part to my question is

534
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Speaker 5: what could Shadoor Sanders do at this last meeting to

535
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 5: actually flip their mind and say, you know what, he's

536
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 5: our guy.

537
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

538
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Speaker 4: What I wonder is this them at the top of

539
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 4: the second round doing homework on Shador to potentially trade

540
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Speaker 4: back into the first round and draft shed Door at

541
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Speaker 4: the end of the first round.

542
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Speaker 7: I think there's just as much of a.

543
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: Possibility that that is the scenario here that there could be, oh,

544
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: you know, kind of going through in their heads and

545
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: him going at the top of the first And you know,

546
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Speaker 4: the team that I continue to look at in that

547
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 4: respect is Pittsburgh, who's sitting there I think twenty one

548
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: somewhere around there, And I feel like, if you're gonna

549
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: do that, then you have to get above Pittsburgh. Like

550
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that he's going to get past Pittsburgh. So,

551
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Speaker 4: you know, to the question about this visit and all that,

552
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: it does smell.

553
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 7: Like ownership involvement.

554
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Speaker 4: And we talked a little bit about this on the

555
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Speaker 4: Draft Show last year. They passed on Bonnicks, they passed

556
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Speaker 4: on Michael Pennix, They passed on JJ McCarthy who didn't play,

557
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: But those two other quarterbacks had promising rookie seasons. And

558
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Speaker 4: if you're the Maras and you're the Giants, do you

559
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 4: look at your your football people and say, why isn't

560
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 4: Bonnicks on our team right now?

561
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Speaker 2: Right?

562
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Speaker 4: And are let's make sure one hundred percent that we're

563
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Speaker 4: not passing on a starting quarterback two years in a row,

564
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Speaker 4: And I just wonder if that that's what's coming up now,

565
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: is ownership has gotten involved and said, wait a second, like,

566
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Speaker 4: we're not going to draft the quarterback again like we

567
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: just did this last year that we passed on all

568
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Speaker 4: these quarterbacks. We're not going to draft the quarterback again. Like,

569
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: let's make sure, let's go back and make sure that

570
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Speaker 4: we're one hundred percent.

571
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Speaker 5: How do the Giants view their team currently? The roster

572
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,239
Speaker 5: they like, you know, last year we went into we

573
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 5: went into this the same we need talent. Like what's

574
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Speaker 5: the Giants assessment of their own roster? Like do they

575
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Speaker 5: feel like we've got talent, We just need a quarterback

576
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Speaker 5: because they've got the receiver, you know, or a receiver anyway,

577
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Speaker 5: they have.

578
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Speaker 6: Some talent, but they're a long way away. Yeah, I think,

579
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 6: I mean just watching neighbors that who else? Yeah, I mean,

580
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 6: and that's they had a promising rookie running back last

581
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 6: year that played pretty well for them. I think their

582
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 6: offensive line has improved, but it's still not what I

583
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 6: would consider really good. They had to move a inside

584
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 6: to guard Evan Neil, right, But so.

585
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 5: The reason I asked is, like, if Evan's right and

586
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 5: ownership stepped in. I could see the reason they stepped

587
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: in is, you know, hey, you know my front office,

588
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 5: you keep telling us that we've got a pretty good roster,

589
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 5: let's get the quarterback, and maybe they do put pressure.

590
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 6: On them to do that. Yeah, I mean, I think

591
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 6: Evan's right that that happens. I'm just not sure that

592
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 6: it's going to happen at three. I just feel like

593
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Speaker 6: if they liked him, I think you I don't think

594
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 6: you'd have all of this question about where Shadas Sanders

595
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 6: is going to go if one of those two teams

596
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,959
Speaker 6: really liked them.

597
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: No.

598
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: No, But what I'm saying is this, at this point,

599
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 5: ownership said, you better do more due diligence on this

600
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: guy before you rule, because you keep telling me that,

601
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: we keep telling me that we're not that far away

602
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 5: roster wise, Well, then get back and take a second

603
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 5: look at this guy. I don't know.

604
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: I was thinking, if you pass on your door and

605
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't, but if

606
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: you pass on Chador and you run the risk of

607
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: him going to Pittsburgh, New Orleans wherever, if he has

608
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: a great rookie season, you're out.

609
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 7: Like here, that's it, because you're.

610
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Never going to let you live it down either. He's

611
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna bring that one up, right, Like twice, these guys.

612
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 5: Lose their jobs if that happens, don't you think?

613
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 7: Right?

614
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you if you're Brian Dable and you're Joe Shane,

615
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 4: you have to be one hundred and ten percent sure

616
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: that Chador is not the guy, right, that he's not

617
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: that level of quarterback. And if you're wrong, then you're

618
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: probably out of a job.

619
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Speaker 5: So back to my question, what could he do at

620
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Speaker 5: this last meeting to flip their mind? Is it? Is

621
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: it more forget about the on field stuff and he

622
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 5: convinces them with his personality?

623
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's it to me because you know with

624
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 9: practice that he's going to present is one of confidence.

625
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: Of of course you guys should pick me. Are you crazy?

626
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 9: And that's why, Like I don't know, maybe they will

627
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 9: be turned off by his over confidence or his maybe

628
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 9: he sweeps under the.

629
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Speaker 1: Rug some of the things that he has to work on.

630
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 6: I don't know, But but does he project a lot

631
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 6: of intangibles like this guy might not be the most

632
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 6: talented passor that that's come up out, but man, he's

633
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 6: a leader. He can do. In New York media, people

634
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: people want to play for him. Maybe that's what you

635
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 6: could Yeah, you know, yeah.

636
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: Throwing the ball against air is not going to make

637
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: you all of a sudden think that this guy is

638
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback. It's we're going to take him out

639
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: to dinner and we're going to get him, you know,

640
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: out of his comfort zone a little bit, get him

641
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: out of his shell.

642
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 7: You know, what kind of person is he? What kind

643
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 7: of personality does he have?

644
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: Could you guys see like if you were in the

645
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: position of the Giants, could you see someone doing that

646
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 5: to you, like having that type of impression. We say,

647
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 5: you know what, any shortcomings that we saw in film,

648
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 5: this guy can overcome it.

649
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: For me.

650
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 9: Like, what I would love to see if I were

651
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 9: in an interview with him is to see the other

652
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 9: side of him, To not see the presentation that obviously

653
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 9: Dion always had the prime you know that the character

654
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 9: that he kind of plays.

655
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: I'd love to just see the real guy.

656
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 9: And really, you know, the the guy that understands that

657
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 9: no matter how good he is or isn't going to

658
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 9: be or is, it's he's going to have to work.

659
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 9: He's going to have to go through some ups and downs,

660
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 9: you know, like the overly confident just projecting like you're

661
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 9: an idiot if you don't take me like to me

662
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 9: that I find that a little bit off putting. I'd

663
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 9: like to see more of like, look, I understand there

664
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Speaker 9: are things I got to work on. This is what

665
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Speaker 9: I'm you know, like that kind of perspective on his

666
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 9: career rather than just this unstoppable confidence that that he

667
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 9: has that he needs.

668
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that's a big.

669
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 6: Part of the whole thing. One of the main reasons

670
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 6: why I kind of feel like this is just sort

671
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 6: of window dressing is because of the reaction over the weekend. Like,

672
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: first it was Derek Carr, the news that he First

673
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 6: of all, you know, Eva and I talked about this

674
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 6: a little bit earlier too. The Derek Carr news didn't

675
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: come as a surprise to the Saints. You know, maybe

676
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 6: people you know, like us didn't know that he potentially

677
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: would be out for the whole year. But the Saints

678
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 6: knew that he's dealing with something significant, did they. Yeah,

679
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 6: this didn't come out of nowhere for them. The second

680
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 6: part of it is all of us and all of

681
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 6: a sudden. You know that the reaction, the Twitter reaction

682
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 6: of like the shifters and the field. Yeah, oh, and

683
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 6: who's broadcasting that draft? Oh, ESPN might stand to get

684
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 6: a little drama out of it. And then you know,

685
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 6: you coincide that with the news that the Giants are

686
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 6: bringing in Sanders and how many people tweeted, it just

687
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 6: gets more interesting. Oh, there's you know, this is I

688
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 6: believe there have been no everybody is slated to have

689
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 6: a first round pick. There's nobody has two right now, right,

690
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 6: and that's never happened.

691
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 7: Everybody has their own pick.

692
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 6: Everybody has their own pick now in general, I don't

693
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 6: know there's like more, it's not never, but it's also

694
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: very uncommon for no trades. And they're all starting to

695
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 6: tweet it out now like that will change coming. That's

696
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 6: kind of like, you know, this to me is a

697
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 6: combination of you're promoting your television show, which you absolutely

698
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 6: should be doing. I don't think there's nothing wrong with that.

699
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 6: And I think they're also promoting don because I think

700
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 6: that it's important to these guys to have an ally

701
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 6: and Dion Sanders, he's a pretty important guy to have

702
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 6: a new corner. I would think if you're one of

703
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 6: these guys, you know you're tweeting, it doesn't it's not

704
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 6: going to hurt your standing if you have him in

705
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 6: your corner. And I think that's part of this, because

706
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 6: I think the NFL is telling you that they're not

707
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 6: sold on Shadoor Sanders, right, or they would do. You

708
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: hear people saying that cam Wood may not may or

709
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 6: may not go in the top three, right, But you're

710
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 6: hearing everybody say some people are suggesting you could get

711
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 6: pulled in the second round, right, And I think that

712
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: the people that is, you know, the Giant, you know,

713
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 6: Diana Russini, The Giants are still still interested in you know,

714
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 6: they're very strongly interested in quarterbacks in this draft, even

715
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 6: before the Saints. They're very strongly interested, even before the

716
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 6: Derek Carr news. Like, yeah, if they were strongly interested

717
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 6: in Shadua Sanders, the Browns and the Giants have no

718
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 6: real long term solution at quarterback, right, right, they're not

719
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 6: convinced about Shadoor Sanders, are they be taking them?

720
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

721
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 7: That's what I get back to.

722
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 4: It's the top of the second round thing, because that

723
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: would make more sense to me just based off of

724
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: everything that we've heard about this quarterback class basically going

725
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: back to last fall, that this wasn't a quarterback draft

726
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: and it wasn't a great quarterback class at the top.

727
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: And you know, the reporting down in New Orleans is

728
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: that they're not very high on Shador either of the Saints.

729
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: So like they might be a mill Row team or

730
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: a Jackson Dart team or something like that. And like,

731
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: all these quarterbacks to me, like Dart, mill Row, maybe

732
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: even Chador or and of the first early second round talent.

733
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: So maybe that's where they all end up going. And

734
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: these teams at the top of the draft that need quarterbacks,

735
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: maybe they draft them all with their second round picks

736
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: instead of their first round picks. And yeah, you know,

737
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: this workout could be just as much about you know,

738
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: the thirty fourth pick in the draft as it is

739
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: the third pick in the draft.

740
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked. I'd be shocked if he makes it

741
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: past fifteen.

742
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 9: I just think any NFL team that passes on him

743
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 9: has to kind of thumb their nose in the conventional

744
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 9: wisdom in the NFL. Like last year, we didn't expect

745
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 9: all those quarterbacks to go. I mean, we were talking

746
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 9: the same thing about Bo, Nicks and Penix as early

747
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 9: round two guys, I think the NFL valley's quarterbacks too much.

748
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: Right now, he's going to if that's true, Mike.

749
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: If he does go top fifteen, two of the most

750
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: neediest quarterback teams are in the top five.

751
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it doesn't make I'm not expecting him to

752
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 6: go in the top fifteen. I think Devons. I think

753
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 6: Devon's twenty one. Pittsburgh might have to think long and hard.

754
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 6: But I if I had to pick right now, top

755
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: fifteen or second round, I'd pick second round.

756
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is good, this will be interesting. I mean,

757
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm a good pier.

758
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 9: I feel pretty strong about progress about I think he'll

759
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 9: go in the top fifteen.

760
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: I really do.

761
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if anybody liked him, he'd be going

762
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 6: two or three.

763
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 9: But did you think but do we really hear I

764
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 9: mean maybe do we hear that about Nix? Of do

765
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 9: we have any kind of sense that Nick and Penix

766
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 9: were gonna go as high as they did?

767
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 6: Pennix, yes, Nicks, no, But a lot of people there

768
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: were people in Boston that liked Penix the most out

769
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: of all the quarterbacks. Now no one, But.

770
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: It wasn't like Eldred.

771
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: No, but I mean like people on my shows, and

772
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: admittedly they watched so little, and all of a sudden

773
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 6: they watch like the National semifinal game, and they become

774
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 6: enamored with him, you know, But bo Nicks, I don't.

775
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 6: I didn't hear it. To Mike's point, I didn't hear

776
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 6: anybody talking about bow Nicks as a.

777
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I just I think they're terrified.

778
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 9: I think the giants are terrified. I think they're terrified.

779
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 9: Like Evan said, a missing on him, and not only

780
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 9: would you miss on him, you're then going to hear

781
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 9: it from Deon Sanders and from Sugar Sanders the rest

782
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 9: of their careers about how you.

783
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Passed on him.

784
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 9: So many of these NFL teams operate the draft from

785
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 9: a place of fear, and this is the position.

786
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 6: So what would be the biggest What would be the

787
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 6: bigger mistake? Missing on him if he's good, well, taking

788
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: him if he's bad it's another good.

789
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: Taking a good one.

790
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I think taking him if he's bad.

791
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 6: Just let me know when you want me to just

792
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 6: take over as a PD here missing him, if you

793
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 6: facilitating the.

794
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: Play you end up picking is really good. Alleviate's missing

795
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: him if he's good. But if you take him, you're

796
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: stuck with him, and he'd better be good. If he's not,

797
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: that's you've just waited.

798
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: Like if abdul Cotter turns out to be Miles Garrett

799
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: and they take abdul Cotter instead of Sanders and Sanders

800
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 6: is good, you're okay.

801
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we took a you know, pro bowler.

802
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 6: But if you take him any stinks you're screwed. And

803
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 6: you know, like everybody keeps saying, yeah, Shane and Dable

804
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 6: are out. If they pass on him and he turns

805
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 6: out to be good, well they're out. If they they

806
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 6: take him and he turns out to be bad, Yeah,

807
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 6: I don't know.

808
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: But like last year, they took Neighbors, who's a great player,

809
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: and we all agree is a great player.

810
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 7: But if bow.

811
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: Knicks's rookie season wasn't just a one off and he's that,

812
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: that's bo Nicks.

813
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 7: You're in and you're out.

814
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 6: You're in trouble.

815
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 7: You're in trouble like that, you're gonna be the team.

816
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 6: That might Sanders is good. They're in trouble, no doubt,

817
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: Like I think is bad and they take him.

818
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if they do take Sanders, do they buy

819
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: a couple of years.

820
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 6: I don't think so. No. I mean I think I

821
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 6: think they take Sanders because I don't think they're gonna

822
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 6: win any games, and I think they're gonna get shown

823
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 6: the door in some ways.

824
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 9: Sanders is the perfect guy to test this though, just

825
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 9: because he's so confident and he just exudes somebody who

826
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 9: seems assured that they're going to be a top NFL player.

827
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 9: So it's it's a collision of NFL teams maybe overvaluing

828
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 9: the quarterback position and taking dumb chances on it, and

829
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 9: a quarterback who exudes like, if y'all don't take me.

830
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 6: The document for your top fifteen is that the NFL

831
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 6: has often done done things when it comes to quarterbacks.

832
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: Now your ilk online the bloggers, as soon as this

833
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 5: giant story started circulating, they got all excited because this

834
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: is the pathway to abdul Carter.

835
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: Right.

836
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: I guess I've been riding that roller coaster.

837
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 9: Of I gave him up like two weeks into my

838
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 9: draft research because I'm like, he's way too good. There's

839
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 9: no way he's getting a four, and somehow.

840
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Like, now, no, there's a chance.

841
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 6: But now they're putting all this stuff out about the

842
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 6: bad guy he is, and I and I was like

843
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 6: looking for specifics as to with the bad you know,

844
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 6: like I saw that Phil not really he probably won't

845
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: be a captain any time. Okay, I mean terrible guy.

846
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 9: I only lead right who played through crazy injury and

847
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 9: he played with one arm once.

848
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 6: If I heard, all I hear about is that football

849
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: is not all that important to him. He's he's kind

850
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 6: of selfish. And I saw a guy in college when

851
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: in an era of college sports where guys are bagging

852
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 6: out of games left and right to protect their quote brand,

853
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 6: he's out there playing with one arm and playing at

854
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: a very high level with one arm, and evidently with

855
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 6: a foot injury that I don't know may or may

856
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 6: not be career ending. I got a little if you

857
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 6: can't tell, I've gotten a little annoyed with how bad

858
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 6: of a person Abdul Carter.

859
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: Suddenly I think you'd be crazy to draft him in

860
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: the top three ball.

861
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 7: What are you talking?

862
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 6: And this isn't really even like a like normally that's

863
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 6: that's where I would go, Oh, big surprise the Patriots.

864
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 6: You know, Cartel is putting it out there. I don't

865
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 6: think this is like gaining steam. Yeah, Like, I don't

866
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 6: think that he's the ideal football guy. Like I told you,

867
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 6: I talked to a teammate of his who said he's

868
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 6: a little different, but he's really committed to being great.

869
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 6: And when you put something about like how important football

870
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 6: is to him, and Mike hit the nail on the head,

871
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 6: like his postseason performance playing the way that Boise State

872
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 6: game in the Notre Dame in game, like he couldn't

873
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 6: even stay on the field. He's running off the field

874
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 6: with one arm like drape down the whole time. That's

875
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 6: a guy who wanted to win. I'm sorry. That was

876
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 6: a guy who was given max effort and wanted to win.

877
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 9: He's also just a guy that you can tell is

878
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 9: so loaded with just natural talent that he's not one

879
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 9: of those guys that has to be the you know,

880
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 9: for better or worse.

881
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be the first guy in, last guy

882
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: out putting all.

883
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 9: He's just naturally gifted and you're hoping that when he

884
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 9: gets into an NFL program where he's now being pushed

885
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 9: by players who are maybe not quite as good but

886
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 9: have similar talent sets, and now he puts a little

887
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 9: work in now he's going to go even farther.

888
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: But he's just so freaking talented.

889
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: It's risk.

890
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: I mean, you never know what these guys.

891
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 4: But I just look at this the same way as

892
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: you're listening to Christian Gonzalez talk now in hindsight about

893
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: how people thought he was.

894
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 7: Quiet and he wasn't like an alpha and.

895
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: He wasn't that like number one corner with the with

896
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: the outward personality and all that stuff. And you know,

897
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: year two he's his second team All Pro. It's really

898
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: the best. Like this is like teams overthink this kind

899
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: of stuff. I don't know if it will happen with

900
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 4: Abdul Carter, but I hope it does, like go ahead

901
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: like they did.

902
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 6: I hope it does too, because I'll take him at Yeah,

903
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 6: I feel a lot better about that pick up four

904
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 6: than really any of the other options they say.

905
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: You know, Monday through Saturday, he's not always like as

906
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 4: locked in as you would like. Well on Sunday when

907
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: the game comes around, I know, point like, I know,

908
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 4: I know what I'm.

909
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 6: Saying, right, Yeah, he's never locked in.

910
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 5: He Alex cause somebody helped Evan with his microphone. It's

911
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 5: about to molest them, so it's like, yeah, it's it's drooping,

912
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 5: like nobody home just tightening.

913
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: It just doesn't want to one of the joints.

914
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 6: But I will say, like we started off the whole

915
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 6: show with saying like the draft is right around the corner,

916
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 6: and it is. It's starting to get that sort of

917
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 6: anticipation appreciates, which I think this stuff has been really

918
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 6: good for that, you know, the the meeting with Sanders

919
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 6: and the giants, the news about Derek Carr Abdul Carter's

920
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 6: red flags, like this is good for that is it's

921
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 6: good it We just.

922
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 5: Need somebody with a gas mask.

923
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 6: Lends some entry, you know.

924
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we'll be we'll be on on air live

925
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 5: next Thursday starting. I think we start at seven.

926
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: Seven.

927
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 6: We're starting at seven.

928
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: Maybe we started. I think we start at seven. We

929
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: do an hour and then we do go into the.

930
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 6: Check on that.

931
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: I don't know.

932
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 6: I don't think we do it. I don't think we

933
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 6: started well. I think we have some don't we have

934
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 6: some like.

935
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: Well, the draft party starts at seven here, right, I

936
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 5: have no idea, and don't we take star Yeah, we'll

937
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 5: start at seven. It'll be fine, great, But you don't

938
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: you don't want to start at seven, Fred, we start

939
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: when you say to start.

940
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 6: When you say jump, we're.

941
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: Going to have the desk.

942
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 6: I say, no, we'll have the desk so better kills.

943
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: You know, you can have your your printed out.

944
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 6: We will have the seven.

945
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: We're starting at seven.

946
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, seven. I don't believe we've started.

947
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: At the draft party. You know, Rabel will come up,

948
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: probably Elliott Wolfe will probably come up with the Robert Kraft.

949
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: So we want to get all that live.

950
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, I said whenever did you say the start?

951
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 6: That's when we're starting.

952
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: So excited about that?

953
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 6: Can I just uh, what do we what do we

954
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: want to do on Saturday? We talked about this a

955
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 6: little bit.

956
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh, we like it. We like what we're doing.

957
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what are the hours?

958
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: I think we're usually on like twelve to two.

959
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 5: I think you two to four.

960
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 9: I kind of like twelve to two, but I think

961
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 9: it starts at twelve on Saturday.

962
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 7: On Saturday, it starts at twelve.

963
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: You got a couple they have a pick at the

964
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 4: top of the fourth round.

965
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, we want to be on for that.

966
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's it's it's top one hundred pick

967
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 4: one six all right, A good player six top hundred

968
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: pick six, I said, a top one hundred pick, uncounting

969
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: it as a top one hundred.

970
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 5: All right, Oh, just a programming note. Mike Rabel will

971
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 5: be going live with a press conference at one o'clock,

972
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: so we're gonna throw. We're gonna yeah, we're gonna throw

973
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 5: to that. You'll hear him live and then we can

974
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 5: do our reacts to the press conference. And we should

975
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 5: mention last night we found out that Don Hasselback passed away.

976
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: Uh Patriot, tight end local guy. Now your dad knew him.

977
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 9: At yeah, yeah, So we went to work at Rebok

978
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 9: after his football career, so my dad worked with him

979
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 9: Rebock a little bit. Matt and Tim both worked in

980
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 9: the Reebok warehouse under my uncle Doug, which I talked about.

981
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 9: I talked to Matt Hasselback I went.

982
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: Up to before or after the plumbing career in Scotland.

983
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 9: This is well out to the plumbing career, but my

984
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 9: uncle Doug would run the you know, the warehouse here

985
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 9: where they box up the shoes and ship monts. He

986
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 9: had the young Hasselback boys, uh, boxing stuff up. I

987
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 9: went up to Matt last year at the owners and he's.

988
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 10: Like I remember your guy, Doug.

989
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: Yeahs my guy. He was We're gonna box it up,

990
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 5: We're gonna ship it out, ship it Uh.

991
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 9: But no, my dad loved Don Hasselbeck was was a

992
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 9: great guy and and you know, had a little bit

993
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 9: of a relationship with him. So yeah, that was sad,

994
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 9: but good career. And then obviously his legacy lives on

995
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 9: through the litany of Hasselbacks that are now all over

996
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 9: the sports scene.

997
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 6: What's the high Schooliaverian?

998
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could remember which one was.

999
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I met Don a few times because he was

1001
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 5: involved with the alumni club, so he would come to meetings.

1002
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was six seven.

1003
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he was tall.

1004
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: And met him at some point at the rebock, but

1005
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1006
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 6: It was a good tight ends set with him in

1007
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 6: rest Franco six seven.

1008
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Just long guy.

1009
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: But don't care for Zavarian though, No, you don't care

1010
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 5: for Yeah, I can imagine coming from I need.

1011
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 6: Him public school.

1012
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, cool to cheat.

1013
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: They recruit, they.

1014
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: Recruit now they have seventh and eighth grade as a variance,

1015
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 5: so they don't need to recruit my kid early.

1016
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 9: My friends kid couldn't even make like the sixth hockey

1017
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 9: team as a freshman.

1018
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: It's very like they have like.

1019
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 7: Six seven eight hockeysru it's.

1020
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: Crazy, and they're not even that good in hockey.

1021
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 7: We still beat him.

1022
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: It's fine.

1023
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 5: It is a good school. It's whatever. It's a tough school.

1024
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 7: I don't have any respect for those schools.

1025
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 6: All right, yeah, so all right, you hear what you're saying,

1026
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 6: John passive aggressive shot at me right there?

1027
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 5: All right? What else? We got vrabel at one that

1028
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: we're going to go to. We saw Marcus Jones. If

1029
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: you miss that, if you tuned in late, we'll have

1030
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 5: that up on demand. Always good to see Marcus. He

1031
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 5: is like so involved in everything.

1032
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the interests.

1033
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of those renaissance men. He puts Eric

1034
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: Scallavino to shame.

1035
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 6: He does that mean he's a renaissance man that actually.

1036
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Does a lot of it.

1037
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: He actually does it, yeah, instead of thinking about it.

1038
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 5: By the way, somebody posted on one of the uh

1039
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 5: PU it unfiltered uh social accounts that we don't run

1040
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: the unofficial ones. It was hic. It was someone that

1041
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: looked just like Eric scallao with his girlfriend and a

1042
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: dog and meg update. It was like this funny thing

1043
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: where the dog actually picks the man instead of but

1044
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 5: like I had to take a double take. I'm like, oh,

1045
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 5: that's Eric. Like he found a girlfriend and he's got

1046
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: a dog, Like life is great. Didn't this guy look

1047
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 5: just like him?

1048
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: That was good?

1049
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 6: I had hope, like my action figure that.

1050
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Set the internet a blaze by Alex on that great job.

1051
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just I I she got some Northeastern in there.

1052
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: That was my only, my only.

1053
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 6: A lot.

1054
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 9: I had a lot of people, but otherwise out of

1055
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 9: the out of the park on that one.

1056
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, diet pepsis and good stuff.

1057
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: So my brother texted me a picture of one. Have

1058
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 6: you seen this? He wanted one for a shelf a.

1059
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: Lot of people.

1060
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 5: I guess you can go online and do it yourself

1061
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: like that. It's like a thing where you can create

1062
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 5: your own.

1063
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: Actions and get a printed like and everything.

1064
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: She didn't like, Yeah, well she did it. Yeah, that's

1065
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 6: how you make it. You go online. It's a big

1066
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 6: supposed to be the head of supposed to be cutting

1067
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 6: edge fread even I knew about this trend.

1068
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

1069
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know about it.

1070
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, she I thought it was like Alex, uh, you're

1071
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 9: telling me right.

1072
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, you, no, I.

1073
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 6: Know it's less about this stuff than I.

1074
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. She said it to me.

1075
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is brilliant. I thought she just came

1076
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: up with it all on her own. And then she's like,

1077
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: I didn't realize.

1078
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: That's a definite burgeoning trends.

1079
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Now, make yourself an action pauls a cool kid.

1080
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 6: I am not a cool kid. I am as uncool

1081
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 6: as you can get. As the action figure would show you.

1082
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 9: You're very happy in it, though, Yeah, very happy action

1083
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 9: figure Paul.

1084
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 6: And someone said way too much hair?

1085
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: All right? A five five past five hundred is the

1086
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 5: hot Line podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address.

1087
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 5: We're gonna go to vrabel at once, so let's try

1088
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: to it's a big days and phone calls before he does.

1089
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 5: We'll start with everyone's favorite caller, Christian in l A's

1090
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 5: on the line. What's up, Christian?

1091
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 13: It's bizarre, you guys. If I don't call, people say

1092
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 13: you should call. If I call, they say, why the

1093
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 13: hell of the la? Your calling?

1094
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 5: That means you're doing it right?

1095
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: You got you're doing it right.

1096
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: You're all right?

1097
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: Thanks for calling? Christ All right, what do you got?

1098
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 13: And so you guys know the reason why I haven't called,

1099
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 13: it's because I've been at my house in Italy. Yes,

1100
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 13: don't hate me, but we have. But I want to

1101
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 13: say to see you guys. If you guys ever want

1102
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 13: to come on to La we have the house and

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00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 13: palaced the house and vennis in the house Cata though.

1104
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 13: You have a place to stay anytime you guys want

1105
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 13: to come, please take me up on the invite. And

1106
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 13: if you're out there in patriot Land, if you can

1107
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 13: get to me, you guys would welcome Pee lifestyle.

1108
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 9: So the rich and famous offer my in laws place

1109
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 9: in Sherman Oaks as well for anyone nice spot.

1110
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 6: Christian, can I hit you up for a loan?

1111
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a palazzo.

1112
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: I heard there's nothing available because it's all Tuscanyan.

1113
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 6: There's nothing you were fighting to throw exactly where.

1114
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 13: George place in Parma.

1115
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, Parma like that like Paul's pray love. You

1116
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: know you could do your version of that.

1117
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: He knows you guys, remember Papa Whimpy and Papayeh gladly

1118
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 5: pay you a dollar tomorrow for a hamburburger day.

1119
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 13: Yes, I'll pay you tuesday for a dollar today. That's

1120
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 13: what I'm saying. So you guys can see me tuesday

1121
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 13: for a stay in LA today to football.

1122
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 5: All right, So what do you got? We got to

1123
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 5: get some more calls on.

1124
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 13: Yeah that you guys to have my back anyway, So

1125
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 13: there you go. I think that this is the year

1126
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 13: that even though we have a staunch history of doing

1127
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 13: things by the book, we always go straight down the middle,

1128
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 13: we go to the best value, We do the right thing.

1129
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 13: When it's not anybody idea, we trade down. But I

1130
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 13: think this is the year that we have to grab

1131
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 13: the bull by the horns. And I know you guys

1132
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 13: are going to say it takes trading part in the

1133
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 13: police sauce, but I think we owe it to the

1134
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 13: development of Drake May and to the fandom to do

1135
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 13: something radical and excitement that's an exciting I think we

1136
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 13: should package our number three pick because I don't think

1137
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 13: in this draft anybody from the third round it's gonna

1138
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 13: help us put wind in the in the win column.

1139
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 13: But I do think that we do something radical and

1140
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 13: we package that third guy, we trade up and get

1141
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 13: Travis Hunters. I don't care what it takes this is

1142
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 13: the year we just do something crazy and radical like that.

1143
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 13: I believe Drake May deserves it. I believe it's going

1144
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 13: to be a decade long thing where you can look

1145
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 13: back and go who they take at three, four or five.

1146
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 13: You won't remember it, but you would be able to

1147
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 13: go who they take at number four, And if it's

1148
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 13: a Travis Hunter or you know, something like.

1149
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 5: That, it's a risky move. And thanks for the call, Christian.

1150
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 5: You know a lot of people agree with you, but

1151
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 5: I wouldn't.

1152
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 6: Be supposed to move.

1153
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 5: It's a revue move though, because A you're losing those

1154
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: extra picks and we need more guys, and B if

1155
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 5: you're doing that, it's because you think he can be

1156
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 5: a wide receiver. So it's risky and on two fronts.

1157
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 6: I just I mean, he answered his own question. I

1158
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 6: just don't see someone saying, oh, I don't I don't

1159
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 6: need Travis Hunter.

1160
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 9: Well that's it for me. And we talked about it

1161
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 9: being a two player draft. What would it take for

1162
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 9: you to move out of the top two picks. Yeah,

1163
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 9: it'd be a lot if we were in that position.

1164
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 9: I don't know if there's anything that would really move

1165
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 9: the needle unless it was one of those transcendental offers

1166
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 9: of future first and everything.

1167
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just disagree a little bit with the

1168
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: third round pick not being valuable. I think this is

1169
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: a draft where third round picks are valuable. Like, this

1170
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: is not a top heavy draft. This is a deep

1171
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: draft where there are players in the second, third, and

1172
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 4: fourth rounds that people project to be starters at the

1173
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: next level. I would say it's the opposite, Like, this

1174
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: is a draft that doesn't have the blue chip talent

1175
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: at the top, but has the depth throughout the draft

1176
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: at certain positions. So you know, when you look at

1177
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: the board, I think there's a lot of players in

1178
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: the third round that could be useful.

1179
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 5: I'm seeing that, you know, Like I said, I'm kind

1180
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 5: of crunching the wide receivers now, I'm seeing that at

1181
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 5: the wide receiver.

1182
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, there's a lot.

1183
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 5: Of guys like you if you believe that they can

1184
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 5: be coached up. They've got the raw talent that you know,

1185
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 5: they've got some upside. It's just a matter of can

1186
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 5: they learn, do they take the coaching and you find

1187
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 5: those guys and that's who you're going to take out

1188
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 5: of this draft.

1189
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like we're so quick to label

1190
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 4: a draft bad because there's no the blue chip talent

1191
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: at the top is not necessarily there. But to me,

1192
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: this is a This is a starter draft, not a

1193
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: star draft like.

1194
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: How you put that.

1195
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: It's a really it's a really good draft. If you

1196
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: are just looking for starting caliber quality NFL players, you

1197
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: can fill out a roster in a draft like this. Now,

1198
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 4: you're not going to get a Hall of Famer most

1199
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 4: likely out of a draft outside of those two guys

1200
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: or maybe genty. But I think you know, the receiver

1201
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 4: positions a great example. There's a lot of great third

1202
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 4: and fourth round receivers in this draft. You know, there's

1203
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: a lot of guys that probably have ceilings as like

1204
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: wide receiver twos in the league, but are considered to

1205
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 4: be pretty solid all round players. But they're just not

1206
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 4: Mike Neighbors and Marvin Harrison junior.

1207
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 5: Right. Ryan's in New Hampshire.

1208
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 14: Hey, Ryan, Hey, everyone thinks first time caller, glad to

1209
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 14: call in quick question and I'll take it off air.

1210
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 14: You guys actually were just talking about the wide receivers

1211
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 14: and being in the third and fourth round. There a

1212
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 14: lot of time, but with all these defensive players that

1213
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 14: I'm saying drop and all these mock drafts that I've

1214
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 14: looked at, would you be opposed to skipping on wide

1215
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 14: receiver in the draft and just taking a look at

1216
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 14: maybe some free agent options that we could find for

1217
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 14: a year and just fill a gap until next year?

1218
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 13: Thank you?

1219
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 5: Okay, I wouldn't, I am, And I guess he means

1220
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 5: going defense heavy, yeah.

1221
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: Just or just not.

1222
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 9: I mean, I think they need to tackle, for sure,

1223
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 9: that's the piece of it. But I mean, Evan, I

1224
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 9: just did our last mock draft. We both took a

1225
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 9: Day two or sorry, Round two, round three kind of guys.

1226
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 9: There are flyer guys that we like there. But ultimately,

1227
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 9: are any of those guys really going to come in

1228
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 9: and truly move the needle? I don't know if I

1229
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 9: can make that case.

1230
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I could see.

1231
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 9: Letting this giant wide receiver group flush itself out this year,

1232
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 9: and you know I could see it.

1233
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I could see it.

1234
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear the thought process. I just think that

1235
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: they're in a position where they have to keep throwing

1236
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: darts at that position, like until you solidify a wide

1237
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 4: receiver room that is a legit NFL wide receiver room

1238
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 4: with talent that can be on a playoff caliber type

1239
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: of offense. I think you have to keep on on

1240
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: taking lottery tickets, even if it's you know a little

1241
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: bit later then maybe they went last year at receiver.

1242
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: I would still do it, you know, in rounds two

1243
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: through four at some point, to just add another person

1244
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: to that room that has some upside and has has

1245
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: some you know talent, you know, special talent.

1246
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 6: I would agree with you, you both, and I would

1247
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 6: just say that I don't think there are different difference making. Uh,

1248
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 6: free agent wide receivers now to be had. Now, if

1249
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 6: you want to talk about a trade, you know of

1250
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 6: someone that maybe we don't necessarily know. You know a

1251
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 6: lot of people have thrown out Brandon Ayuk, but you

1252
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 6: know Aj Brown, I don't see those kinds of moves happening.

1253
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 6: But I could be convinced that those guys would be

1254
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 6: difference makers. You know, Aj Brown is you know any

1255
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 6: almost anybody in the league's number one wide receiver. There's

1256
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 6: probably five teams in the league that wouldn't consider their

1257
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 6: number one option that would make a difference. You know

1258
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 6: at this point, who's still out there, Like Amari Cooper,

1259
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 6: so he's still available. I think he is. Yeah, yeah,

1260
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 6: I mean that's where you're good players, but they're not

1261
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: gonna solve your issue. They're not gonna be even really

1262
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 6: stop DAPs for you need someone to develop.

1263
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's it for me.

1264
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 5: Eric in Rochester, New York on podcasts at Patriots dot

1265
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: Com the email address. After hearing the back and forth

1266
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 5: about where Shador Sanders will get drafted and hearing both

1267
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 5: Paul and Mike's takes, there needs to be some sort

1268
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 5: of bet placed on it. The wagers should be something fun,

1269
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 5: like having to wear the jersey the team he gets

1270
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 5: drafted to during the post draft uh Patriots Unfiltered twenty

1271
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 5: five push ups to see if either could actually do

1272
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 5: it or something equally emasculating. Love the show can't wait

1273
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 5: to see who the Patriots draft in the first round,

1274
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 5: So what would the I don't.

1275
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 6: Feel strongly enough to bet anything because I don't follow

1276
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 6: this crap.

1277
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 9: Now, Like I not even the jersey Mike's Yeah.

1278
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 6: I mean sure, I mean just to have fun with it,

1279
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 6: but like I I just don't want this to come

1280
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 6: off as like, oh, you were wrong, Like yeah, if

1281
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 6: he gets taken in the top fifteen, yeah, I'd be surprised. Yeah,

1282
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 6: but you know, I'm not going to sit there and

1283
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 6: sort of, you know, stake my clian to you know,

1284
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: like when Vernon Golston was coming out and I was like,

1285
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 6: this guy is I can't miss and he's he's like

1286
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 6: he looked that was different I was. I was in

1287
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 6: on Vernon Golston. I was anti the Richard Seymour pick

1288
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 6: turned out to be a Hall of Fame player, Like, yeah,

1289
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 6: that's different than this. I don't know where should Douay

1290
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 6: Sanders is going to get taken?

1291
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: Just for the record, I could do twenty five push ups.

1292
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 6: Oh, I could do twenty five puss now after lunch

1293
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 6: now maybe not this time last year.

1294
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 5: This might be worth the push ups challenge twenty five.

1295
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 6: I'd have a harder time doing the sit pull up,

1296
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 6: oh pull ups because.

1297
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: Can I just hang for a minute?

1298
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: Though I might be able to do one based on

1299
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 6: the jump up to the bar, which at the momentum.

1300
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 9: Going, well, you do the pull ups easier, you know

1301
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 9: that the chin ups are easier.

1302
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 5: It's Alex jacket. He's wearing like a sequin jacket on

1303
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 5: air with his number sixteen. Yeah, it's cool. Hypercolor Alex

1304
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 5: from Newmarket, UK, longtime first time absolutely love the show

1305
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: as well as Catch twenty two. I've been back and

1306
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 5: forth on what the pacher should do it for. It

1307
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 5: looks like the draft will open with Ward than some

1308
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 5: combination of Hunter and Carter. For me, the right move

1309
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 5: is to run the card up for Will Campbell. Short

1310
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 5: arms be damn. It might be a need pick, but

1311
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 5: I think he's closest to a sure thing at a

1312
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 5: position of value at the top of the draft, and

1313
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: I love the attitude and toughness. I think he's the

1314
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: best effort and finished guy available. Assuming they take Campbell,

1315
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 5: how likely do you think it is that they trade

1316
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 5: into the back end of the first round for a receiver.

1317
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: Trying to gauge how long I should stay helpful.

1318
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it, probably for receiver.

1319
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 9: I'd probably do it for an edge, though I think

1320
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 9: that you're going to have an edge that falls to

1321
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 9: that territory that would be appealing to me. Those are

1322
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 9: the two positions I feel like if you could get

1323
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 9: a left tackle with that first pick, and then you

1324
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 9: could get one of the really good edges that you know,

1325
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 9: really probably day one, first round kind of grades that

1326
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 9: fall into the twenties thirties in that area.

1327
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: That to me, the receiver's tough.

1328
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 9: I don't think you could trade up for a Mecha Abuka,

1329
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 9: you know, or what's the guy from Missouri's name, you know,

1330
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 9: Uther Burden. I get what people want to get with

1331
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 9: the receiver position, and I understand why.

1332
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: And I don't want to get carried away with.

1333
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 9: The fact that they have ten receivers on the roster

1334
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 9: right now, and that just seems like an absolutely.

1335
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 6: I'd be interested in Golden or Burden, but I don't

1336
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 6: know if it's I don't know if you want to

1337
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 6: give up. Like with Fred's theory of those picks could

1338
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 6: be valuable like that at some point you need to

1339
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 6: restock your roster with players that are going to be here,

1340
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 6: you know, yeh, longer term. I don't want to say

1341
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 6: the long term because you never know. And I'm not

1342
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 6: suggesting that they need to hit on the second round

1343
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 6: to pick the third pick. Therefore, these guys need to

1344
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 6: be the pillow. Yeah, ideally, yes, but that's hard. They

1345
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 6: need to find some players, and I think the more

1346
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 6: dart throws you give yourself, the more opportunities you have to.

1347
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 5: They need to have some similar drafts that they had

1348
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 5: end of the nineteen nineties and early two thousands, where

1349
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 5: they had two or three guys that ended up being

1350
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: foundational guys.

1351
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: You know every year, every year you start stacking it.

1352
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean, like you know, one, you

1353
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 6: get Seymour and Light you know, the two guys that

1354
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: were fixers for you for a decade. That's I mean, yeah,

1355
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 6: that's how you you have to fix this. Yeah, that's

1356
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 6: the that's the best way to fix this.

1357
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1358
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: Let's go to uh sal in Connecticut on the hotline.

1359
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 5: What's up, Sal?

1360
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 15: Hey, how you guys doing good? So look, listen up.

1361
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 15: Will Campbell's there at for in the past. Think he

1362
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 15: can play tackle. I don't think there's any hesitation. They

1363
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 15: should take them. This team needs tackles more than anything else,

1364
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 15: including receivers.

1365
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 6: And I agree with that that I took.

1366
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 15: A second tackle somewhere on Day two or late Day

1367
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 15: two or early day three. Receivers. They you can acquire

1368
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 15: every good receivers, as we've learned from history, later than

1369
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 15: the first round, and some of the best have come

1370
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 15: from beyond the first round. Some of the ones in

1371
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 15: the first round has fallen flat That's all I have

1372
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 15: to say, and you hear your comments off.

1373
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 6: Thanks, Okay, I really agree with his first overall premise.

1374
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 6: I think if they're convinced that he's a I said

1375
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 6: this last last week when you guys were all banging

1376
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 6: the table for Will Campbell, I am fine with Will

1377
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 6: Campbell as long as they think he's a tackle. I

1378
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 6: am not fine with Will Campbell because well, if it

1379
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 6: doesn't work out a tackle, he's a good guard. I'm

1380
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 6: not fine with that. But if if the way that

1381
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 6: Sal said that, I'm with him. I disagree about the

1382
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 6: wide receivers.

1383
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 5: Well, certainly it hasn't been easy for this team.

1384
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 6: There's been a lot of good but there's been a

1385
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 6: lot of good wide receivers taken in the first round too.

1386
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like I you know, there's bus at every position.

1387
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: I go through this rant every year when everybody tells

1388
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 6: me that you know the safe picks, so you know, X,

1389
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 6: Y and Z, there's bus at every spot. There's been

1390
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 6: a lot of good wide receivers taken in the first round.

1391
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 6: I mean just look last year. Yeah, there was four

1392
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 6: good ones taken in the top fifteen picks. Yeah, three

1393
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 6: of them were really good.

1394
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

1395
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 5: Just a reminder, as soon as Mike Rabel comes to

1396
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 5: the podium live, we'll be going to him, so we'll

1397
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 5: cut away with him.

1398
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 6: But in the meantime, the first question to Mike Rabel

1399
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 6: will be in another word yet to get inside the

1400
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 6: mind of Karen Gardy.

1401
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, I think probably just maybe. I mean, I mean,

1402
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 9: how's it all going? You have the players back in

1403
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 9: the building for two weeks, how's it all coming together?

1404
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 9: Or something like that.

1405
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 5: Let's see this is Jarald writes in Where Is He From?

1406
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 5: He doesn't say Eric wouldn't like that. Matthew Slater spoke

1407
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 5: at my company in Boston last Tuesday. He spoke about

1408
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 5: the Patriot Way. I have something to ask about that,

1409
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 5: and how it wasn't about Bill or Tom Brady but

1410
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 5: about the men who downed the uniform and united together

1411
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 5: to give it there all day after day.

1412
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 6: It's really about the men who.

1413
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 5: Iron sharpening iron. He spoke about his first meeting with Brady,

1414
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 5: his journey into the NFL, and how Bill called him

1415
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 5: out for the first time during a meeting that says Slate,

1416
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: can we do this correctly or so I don't have

1417
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 5: to call your mom to say you're in the hospital.

1418
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 5: My question is what do each of you think will

1419
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 5: be the culture of rabel implements and how do you

1420
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 5: think he will implement it with the team who accountability? Yeah,

1421
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 5: I was gonna that was the word I was thinking.

1422
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: Yep.

1423
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 9: Thing I've heard from Trust that Will Compton and Tyler

1424
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 9: Taylor Luan was that he likes to question guys, keep

1425
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 9: guys on their toes and meetings. I know that was

1426
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 9: a big Bill thing, and I think if you're gonna

1427
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 9: ask you guys to study and know your opponent and

1428
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 9: putting guys on the spot, and I think there's a

1429
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 9: level of respect so that you want to answer those

1430
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 9: questions from Mike Rabel correctly, so well you.

1431
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: Keep them on their toes like I could be asked

1432
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 5: something ready.

1433
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 9: I hope you get a team that it's locked in

1434
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 9: and plays tough, and I think all the cliches of

1435
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 9: a good I.

1436
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 6: Think what you're going to get is something very similar

1437
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 6: to the mentality of Belichick, with a different personality, a

1438
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 6: vastly different personality, and hopefully it blends those two things. Well,

1439
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 6: here we got Mike right now, go to Mike.

1440
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 16: Send our condolences to to Betsy Hasselback, to Matthew, to

1441
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 16: Tim and Nathaniel obviously their grandchildren. One thing I would say,

1442
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 16: you know, talking about a successful man is someone that

1443
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 16: raises genuine, caring, thoughtful children, and that's something that that

1444
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 16: Don certainly did. So our thoughts and prayers are with

1445
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 16: the Hassleback family, former player here, former NFL player, Rep,

1446
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:52,959
Speaker 16: Union Rep.

1447
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: And then you know, just it's always around town when

1448
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: I was here and God have.

1449
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 16: Interactions with him, know as children, So I want to

1450
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 16: send our regards to them. A bit exciting here with

1451
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 16: the with the players being in town, it's kind of

1452
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 16: unique with the draft prep and the timing of all this.

1453
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 16: So there's certainly a great energy that's that's around our

1454
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 16: building and uh I want to continue to take advantage

1455
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 16: of that, to build on that, to grow uh that

1456
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 16: and and then you know, excited about bringing you know,

1457
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 16: great young players or great you know some of them,

1458
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 16: I think with the COVID years are a little older

1459
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 16: now than what they used to be. But rookie players

1460
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 16: onto our football team through the draft.

1461
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: And the post draft process. So with that, Karen, what

1462
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: do you got.

1463
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 7: Uh that's with the draft?

1464
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 17: Uh week or start away?

1465
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: I was curious if if.

1466
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 17: You have received many many calls from teams looking to.

1467
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 13: Move up to numbers.

1468
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 16: Well, I'd say it's probably a little early for that,

1469
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 16: in my experience, probably a little early for those conversations.

1470
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 16: A lot of those happen uh next week as we

1471
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 16: get a little closer to the draft.

1472
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: I think there's still some prep.

1473
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 16: And some you know, some managing that goes on and

1474
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 16: the coaches reports, and so it's probably a little early

1475
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 16: for some of those conversations that happen.

1476
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 13: Like kind of ball that.

1477
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 12: Up with Karen what she said in those situations to you,

1478
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 12: you know, past drafts, have you've been a guy that's

1479
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 12: like if you see a guy that you want to

1480
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 12: really to trade up to see guy, you know, maybe.

1481
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 16: Well as far as manipulating the draft and the board

1482
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 16: and and the value, and we've gone up, when we've

1483
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 16: gone down, and you know places that I've been, you know,

1484
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 16: I think you're just looking for the best value and

1485
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 16: you're trying to find players that that are you know,

1486
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 16: obviously talented and what we feel like are great fit

1487
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 16: here for us and can help our football team at

1488
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 16: different levels.

1489
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: And so that happens at the top of the draft.

1490
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 16: That will happen, you know, in the middle parts, and

1491
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 16: then obviously as you get towards the end and there's

1492
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 16: somebody that you want and you may get or somebody

1493
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 16: gives you an offer, and you know you're trying to

1494
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 16: get a little bit more draft capital, like the fact.

1495
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 17: Dad character previous, more character honests the agency also difficult players.

1496
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: I think that's the most important thing. But yes, does

1497
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: that translate to the draft?

1498
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 3: Do you feel like.

1499
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 16: Because you got him as that Morgan moses, maybe you

1500
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 16: can take a risk in the draft because you feel

1501
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 16: like they're a lot of us from well, we don't

1502
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 16: want to take risks. I mean we want to take

1503
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 16: I think we want to be aggressive. I don't think

1504
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 16: I think there's a difference between taking risks and being

1505
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 16: aggressive and and adding quality players and people uh to

1506
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 16: the roster that that'll happen throughout player acquisition. I think

1507
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 16: that that's something that's important. But you know, certainly the

1508
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 16: talent of the player, you know, has to be evaluated first,

1509
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 16: and then you go through a lot of different exercises

1510
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 16: and conversations and you know to try to figure out,

1511
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 16: you know, the type of person. But you know, you

1512
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 16: can't win and you can't do what we want to

1513
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 16: do with with just a bunch of good dudes.

1514
01:04:59,200 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: That's not gonna get it.

1515
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 7: You might have to a part of its. Uh See.

1516
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 18: I'm just curious what you've seen from him on speed

1517
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 18: and just what's happened, what you've learned.

1518
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 16: From people happening to say, Well, we're not going to

1519
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 16: discuss any of the the interactions in the thirty visit,

1520
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 16: but I appreciate, you know, the knowledge of him being

1521
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 16: in here. I don't think he took too many of them.

1522
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 16: But I would say that the tape is dynamic. There's

1523
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 16: a lot of great qualities of a disruptive pass rusher,

1524
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 16: you know, very slippery, loose, sudden uh player, and uh,

1525
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 16: it was a it was a fun tape to watch.

1526
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 5: What's what's your overall goal and what do you hope

1527
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 5: to accomplish with the first draft?

1528
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 16: Last week here and means the overall goal for our

1529
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 16: for the draft, well, I mean I think it's to

1530
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 16: add as many you know, quality players and in quality people.

1531
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 16: You know, you want to come out of it with

1532
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 16: some starters. You want to come out of it with

1533
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 16: some depth role players that that can that can build

1534
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 16: the strength and the you know, the depth of the roster,

1535
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 16: the backup players and the situational players, and you know,

1536
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 16: there's just trying to find a fit for all these

1537
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 16: different players where they are and what we see them doing,

1538
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 16: and then ultimately they'll come in and define our role,

1539
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 16: define their role.

1540
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: And then also in the in the post.

1541
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 16: Draft processes is trying to find some players that that

1542
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 16: may have fallen through the draft that that we have

1543
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 16: an affinity for or we feel like that we can develop.

1544
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 16: They have some traits that we can develop, and that's

1545
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 16: something that we believe strongly in as well.

1546
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: You know, once you get through the draft.

1547
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 4: Like the fact that you're the one doing the pre

1548
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 4: draft press congress, does that reflect reflect that you have

1549
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 4: final say.

1550
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: Over the draft?

1551
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 10: H No.

1552
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 16: I think that would just reflect that I was the

1553
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 16: person chosen to to talk to you guys today. We're

1554
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 16: we're excited about where we were in free agency, and

1555
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 16: Elliott and myself and and and Ryan and Matt and

1556
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 16: and Caim. I want to thank all of them for

1557
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 16: their efforts thus far. The scouts, I've always enjoyed sitting

1558
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 16: down with them asking them questions. I mean, these are

1559
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 16: the men and women that have been around, you know,

1560
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 16: these players and at practices for the last two years

1561
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 16: and have seen them interact with their teammates, They've seen

1562
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 16: them practice.

1563
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: So I want to thank them.

1564
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 16: I want to thank the coaches for their involvement in

1565
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 16: the draft process and in free agency and evaluating them.

1566
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: It's you know, they're getting.

1567
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 16: Ready for our players to come in and they're evaluating players.

1568
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 16: And you know, as a coach sometimes at an assistant coach,

1569
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 16: you evaluate players and you don't end up getting the

1570
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 16: guy that you you know, spend a bunch of hours

1571
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 16: evaluating and you might have liked, and that's how it goes,

1572
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 16: and then you go to the next year.

1573
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1574
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 16: But we're always trying to bridge that gap, getting around

1575
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 16: to that between coaching and personnel. And the longer that

1576
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 16: I do this, I always see that there's players that

1577
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 16: the personnel side may really like and there's players that

1578
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 16: the that the at the coaching staff.

1579
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: May cove it for different reasons.

1580
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 16: And so my job, an Eliot's job, and Ryan's job

1581
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 16: is to bridge that gap and then to come up

1582
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 16: with the player that we feel like is best for

1583
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 16: our football team at that particular level. So there's been

1584
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 16: a great alignment and we're all excited about what we've

1585
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 16: been able to do in free agency. Have only I think,

1586
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 16: reaffirmed that by by seeing these guys in the building

1587
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 16: for the past just six days.

1588
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 2: But it's been but it's been awesome. Like how we

1589
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: feel is if you're going to be.

1590
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 5: More aggressive instead of just letting the draft come to you,

1591
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 5: like can you see something?

1592
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: Do you think that you as a group of saying, look,

1593
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: we gotta make something. Yeah, I don't know if you

1594
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: can answer that.

1595
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 16: I think we we always when we coach the football team,

1596
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 16: we asked the players to play.

1597
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: We wanted to be aggressive. We don't want them to

1598
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 2: be reckless.

1599
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 16: There could come a time and I think there's a

1600
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 16: lot of possibilities there could be players that maybe we

1601
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 16: covet on on the board that are are there at

1602
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 16: a certain point and we have to determine, you know,

1603
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 16: how far we are away from where that player is.

1604
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 16: And you know that'll be the same thing when you

1605
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 16: talk about trading back, like how far do you want

1606
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 16: to trade back? Are there still going to be players there,

1607
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 16: uh that that you want at that particular level. So

1608
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 16: I think we all have experience enough doing that of

1609
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 16: going up and going back and presenting. You know, every

1610
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 16: time you pick, there's probably a are we gonna stick

1611
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 16: and pick or what's the what's the best offer that

1612
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 16: we have? And that's that's the role of the personnel's

1613
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 16: staff is to kind of feel those calls as they

1614
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 16: come in. And sometimes they're they're good offers, and sometimes

1615
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 16: there's they're not so good.

1616
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 5: Offers, Like what's you feel like there's a tackle on

1617
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 5: this class that will be worthy to be taken in

1618
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 5: the world off.

1619
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 16: I think there's some starting tackles that certainly will come

1620
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 16: in and start uh in the NFL. And I think

1621
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 16: that that's, you know, really what you start to look for,

1622
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 16: right as impact players when you start picking that high

1623
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 16: you know what they're gonna do for you? What what's

1624
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 16: the impact? What's the position? You know, you talk about

1625
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 16: premium position, you know, and so then that's where you

1626
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 16: kind of weigh all the circumstances and end up, you know,

1627
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 16: making that pick. So do I think that they're starters

1628
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 16: in this draft at left tackle?

1629
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: Yes? I do.

1630
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 5: What's the role of analytics in your process and how

1631
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 5: you balance what the numbers tell you, what your eyes

1632
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 5: tell you and.

1633
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,440
Speaker 2: What your scouts doing. Yeah, we've.

1634
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 16: You know, I think you rely on analytics to help

1635
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 16: you ask questions about what you see on tape, and

1636
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 16: not only ask questions, but but answer and get them answered.

1637
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 16: And so I think that it's a quick, very good

1638
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 16: snapshot of what you need to talk about.

1639
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: Durability.

1640
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 16: You talk about height, weight, speed, measurables. You know, time

1641
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 16: missed does that correlate to potential time missed UH in

1642
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 16: our league?

1643
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: And the durability.

1644
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 16: So those are all things that that they can give

1645
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 16: you. You could talk and you can look at certain positions

1646
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 16: right analytically as it relates to the receivers and their

1647
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 16: drop percentage or their ability to gain yards after the

1648
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 16: catch or their contested catch, or how much separation yards right,

1649
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 16: and then you go to the next position. So every

1650
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 16: position has a different analytical number or value that we

1651
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 16: would kind of look at. And then you go back

1652
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 16: and you watch the tape, and you know, when those

1653
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 16: things are highlighted, you certainly want to make sure that

1654
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 16: all those things are accounted for and.

1655
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 5: Are there any traits that maybe are translate more to

1656
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 5: success in the league, or there's somewhere you think you

1657
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 5: can work and kind of work them out when they.

1658
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 2: Get to the wings.

1659
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 16: I mean I think position, I mean production. You start

1660
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 16: with production and see, you know, guys can make plays

1661
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 16: at in the college level. You know, usually that's a

1662
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 16: good place to start. And then you would obviously just

1663
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 16: translate to certain things that edge rushers may have.

1664
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: You can look over the course of.

1665
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 16: You know, the last ten drafts, let's say, and see

1666
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 16: how those players did with with certain scores and numbers,

1667
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 16: and you know, some of them maybe were more productive

1668
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 16: and maybe in the NFL than they were in college.

1669
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 16: That's always one that you know, I have to, you know, really,

1670
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 16: you know, focus on and ask you know why, and

1671
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 16: you know, maybe it's a different scheme that you know,

1672
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 16: maybe a guy's just rushing against the team that throws

1673
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 16: a bunch of RPOs and the balls out, or you know,

1674
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 16: then not doing is you know where the passing game

1675
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 16: is a different passing game. And and I just go

1676
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 16: back to like Daniel Hunter, right, I always use this example.

1677
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: You know, watch him at LSU.

1678
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 16: Wasn't a very productive by by numbers, but he tested

1679
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 16: well and he had the height, the weight and speed

1680
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 16: and certainly when you look at what he's done in

1681
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 16: the National Football League, it's been very impressive. So I

1682
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 16: always go back to that and make sure that you know,

1683
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 16: if the productions maybe not off the charts, then what

1684
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 16: else is there that we should be looking at that

1685
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 16: that would translate to being successful in the National Football League?

1686
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: You have better talk to you last two years ago.

1687
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 6: Do you have a better vision what the top of

1688
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 6: draft might look like and who might not be on

1689
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 6: the board when you guys heard, I think.

1690
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 16: No, I mean I think that you know, we we

1691
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 16: probably know as much as everybody else.

1692
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 2: And what gets reported.

1693
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 16: I mean Tennessee is not calling or Cleveland's not calling,

1694
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 16: even though I was a consultant there last year. I

1695
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 16: haven't heard their their plans on who they want to pick.

1696
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 16: So you know, we'll we'll see as we get closer.

1697
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 16: If any of that information is available, we would love

1698
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 16: to have it.

1699
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 12: Philosophy on what has generally been your philosophy in the

1700
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 12: past on drafting best available as opposed to position a.

1701
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 16: Need, and how does that evolve, maybe round by a

1702
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 16: round or even year to year. What would love for

1703
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 16: them to align having a need and having the best

1704
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 16: player be there that that doesn't always happen and We

1705
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 16: certainly want to pick the best play as many times

1706
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 16: as we can and the player that we think at

1707
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 16: that point is the best player, and then we'll figure

1708
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 16: it out.

1709
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: You know.

1710
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 16: Maybe you look at one position and then we may

1711
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,839
Speaker 16: have some returning starters or we feel like our starters

1712
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 16: or there's depth of that position. But to add premium

1713
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 16: players when available is something that you should probably always

1714
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 16: try to do.

1715
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 7: Players are ingraded, you know similarly on the board, like what.

1716
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 4: What are some of the time rankers that you guys

1717
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 4: put into account and off the film, you know, maybe

1718
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 4: they have similar grades.

1719
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 16: Yeah, there's kind of the ranking system within the grade,

1720
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 16: right when you start stacking players horizontally amongst their position,

1721
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 16: and then when you see me vertically amongst their position,

1722
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 16: and then you start to look at it horizontally that

1723
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 16: other players at another position with the same grade would

1724
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 16: would rank higher. You know, so maybe one player over

1725
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 16: here would lose out to another play.

1726
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: Over here even though they're on the same line.

1727
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 16: To kind of give you an idea that then within

1728
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 16: the position, versatility, the ability to play another position, you know,

1729
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 16: some of the probably the testing numbers or what we

1730
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 16: feel like on film, but we try to go through

1731
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 16: and you know that that's done and finished. As far

1732
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 16: as the vertical process of where we see each player, well,

1733
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 16: you think.

1734
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 10: Back specifically the first round picks.

1735
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 13: They hadn't tend to see what lessons.

1736
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: About what worked with those players.

1737
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 17: Maybe you didn't will inform how you approached this pick

1738
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 17: a number four because it's the highest you've ever had met.

1739
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we you know what kind of injury.

1740
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 16: We took a couple of guys with injuries that we

1741
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 16: thought were talented and maybe what injuries you know, as

1742
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 16: they fell and that value got, you know, to the

1743
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 16: point where we were comfortable taking it. I think that's

1744
01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 16: something that's critical. You know what, you know, what's the

1745
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 16: ability for players to recover from one injury vers versus

1746
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 16: another injury? I think is something that that I learned,

1747
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 16: you know, the impact that that that player makes and

1748
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 16: and demands on a quote unquote first round pick, you know,

1749
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 16: I think is something that's you know, just like the

1750
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 16: quarterback and I have to be the the face of

1751
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 16: a franchise, but everybody's gonna be talking about the first

1752
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 16: round pick from from the time that we pick 'em

1753
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 16: til you know, for as long as they're here. So

1754
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 16: that kind of gets carried with 'em, and I think

1755
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 16: you have to have the the attitude and and the

1756
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 16: demeanor to to handle some.

1757
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 19: Of that sort of dance.

1758
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 13: I'm just curious, saying you having it from visit everything.

1759
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 11: This is kind of the first time you're gonna see

1760
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 11: it actively working out the group since the Celtair.

1761
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: And all that.

1762
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 7: I I'm just curious what you're seeing is recovering.

1763
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 14: How much do they do that.

1764
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 16: I think he's doing everything, uh, you know, like everybody else.

1765
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 16: He's working hard, and I think he's excited about being

1766
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 16: here and being a patriot.

1767
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: He's a motivated player, he's a hungry player, just.

1768
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 16: Like everybody else that that's here and that's working. And

1769
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 16: that's been the most exciting thing I think for me

1770
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 16: is that they're asking good questions, that they're into it.

1771
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 16: They know that there's some things are going to be different,

1772
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 16: and that that change happens every year.

1773
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 5: Card and you have something.

1774
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: Gone when you saw it before it? Do you know

1775
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do? You want to say? What? Do

1776
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: you know? What?

1777
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 16: You Well, we're in the process of going through what

1778
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 16: you know. Everybody calls these these simulations, and that's been

1779
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 16: and will continue to be good exercises.

1780
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 2: You know, it's just.

1781
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 16: Running scenarios and what we would do based on those scenarios.

1782
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 16: So to say that we have a definitive answer on

1783
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 16: those scenarios, no, But those are processes that are ongoing,

1784
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 16: and you know we'll be done here shortly.

1785
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 17: Like is listening to you with hearing the right things

1786
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 17: from these players.

1787
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 6: They should talk to them and ask questions.

1788
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: And you know the fact, how much does that sink

1789
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: in with you?

1790
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: But you go both the process.

1791
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 16: What sinks in the most with me is the first

1792
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 16: exposure to the second exposure, to maybe the third exposure.

1793
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: And it's difficult, I think, just.

1794
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 16: You know, you don't really know what you're going to

1795
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 16: get in the first exposure, and I think that's kind

1796
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 16: of not very fair either to be walked. Some of

1797
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 16: these guys don't even know what room they're in at

1798
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 16: the combine, Like if there's not like a Patriot logo

1799
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 16: somewhere in the room, it would be hard for them

1800
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 16: to every single time know which room they're in because

1801
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 16: it's just the hallways tight and there's a bunch of

1802
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 16: people out there and they get shuttled into a room. Hey,

1803
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 16: this is so and so, Like I could tell them

1804
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 16: I'm Tom Current and they'd be like, hey, nice to

1805
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 16: meet you. At that point, they just really they just

1806
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 16: there's a lot there. But then the next exposure they

1807
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 16: get a little bit more comfortable. And then the next exposure,

1808
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 16: whether that it's at Pro Day or the thirty visit,

1809
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 16: you start to see maybe who they are and and

1810
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 16: and you know kind of what their personality is.

1811
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: Like.

1812
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 6: Do you have any philosophies or opinions on running backs

1813
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 6: generally speaking, and whether were.

1814
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 2: They that's what I tell the running backs.

1815
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 5: Whether they're worth like a top ten pick.

1816
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 7: Do you have any thoughts on that kind of topic?

1817
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: You know, No, I don't.

1818
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 16: I think that that's individualized based on how good the

1819
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 16: player is, I mean, how talented, and what impact that

1820
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 16: he's going to make, his ability to play and you know,

1821
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 16: all all three downs, his.

1822
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: Ability to catch the football, his ability.

1823
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 16: To to create mismatches, and and and obviously.

1824
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: Then what the team covets. I think that's the most.

1825
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 17: Important earlier and you just use it again relatively speaking,

1826
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 17: were you drafting, how many guys are we talking or

1827
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,440
Speaker 17: under that sort of realm.

1828
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think where we're drafting. You know, there's a

1829
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 2: handful of guys.

1830
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 16: You know, we're not in the market for a quarterback,

1831
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 16: so you know that that o'll eliminate anybody that throws

1832
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 16: the football. But I do think that there is certainly

1833
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 16: players that we covet at every level. I think that's

1834
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 16: the thing that we're finding as you go through.

1835
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 2: And so.

1836
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 16: It's a it's a package, it's a complete package. It's

1837
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 16: it's about the player, it's about the person and most importantly,

1838
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 16: I think for me, the vision that we have for

1839
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 16: him and the impact that they're going to make in

1840
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,440
Speaker 16: the locker room and make in the community.

1841
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: Please to stop being so nice.

1842
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 6: We're just under twenty minutes.

1843
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 7: Joe Milton, Why why trade for him?

1844
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 2: Why trade him?

1845
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 16: When you guys med Well, we felt like that his

1846
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 16: reps were going to be decreased as we worked through

1847
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 16: the off season, and we like, it's like every other decision,

1848
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 16: and we're going to try to do what's best for

1849
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 16: the team. And that's what we the decision that we

1850
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 16: ultimately made and so excited to move forward with with

1851
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 16: Drake and Josh. And you know that's going to be

1852
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 16: a tough one for me to continue to say over

1853
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 16: and over as Drake and Josh, so I appreciate it

1854
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 16: guys again. Want to thank our scouts, want to thank

1855
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 16: our personnel department forgetting I think me brought up to

1856
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 16: speed in this process.

1857
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: And and our and our coaching staff. So thanks.

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Speaker 5: History.

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Speaker 6: I think he goes by yet he's the quarterback a

1891
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Speaker 6: Houston and Miami. Oh boy, oh wow?

1892
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Speaker 7: Fall put down the cigarettes.

1893
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Speaker 6: Fall, excuse me, it's really I mean, I mean pretty much.

1894
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 6: He's such a good port there. I don't know why

1895
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:44,799
Speaker 6: I haven't complimenting any of his points. I haven't compliments

1896
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 6: any hard to argue with that induces.

1897
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Speaker 5: We don't know it, but Paul goes home. He's a

1898
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 5: chain smoker. It's just like one after another after the draft.

1899
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Speaker 7: Can a guy get a light value.

1900
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Speaker 2: Safe home?

1901
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Speaker 7: Honey, I'd rather fight than switch.

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Speaker 5: That's another great moment back here and Patriots Unfiltered. You

1903
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 5: just heard from Mike Vrabel. He filibusters very well.

1904
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, pre draft press conference is one of the more

1905
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 6: fruitless activities necessary. I mean, everybody does it. Everybody around

1906
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 6: the league has somebody speak at this time of the year.

1907
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 6: But you can certainly understand the position that whoever is

1908
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 6: to whether it's a GM or head coach, is in,

1909
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 6: Like what are you going to say? Yeah, oh jeez,

1910
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 6: you know, we we have our.

1911
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Speaker 1: Guy phones ringing off the hook.

1912
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Speaker 5: I mean, well, Karen's first question is a good question.

1913
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 5: Has anyone shown interest in a in a move, which

1914
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 5: is when maybe you can answer even if you want

1915
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 5: it out there, like oh yeah, we're getting a lot

1916
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 5: of interest. You know, you could use that as an

1917
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 5: opportunity to drum up business. But he chose to say

1918
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 5: that it's a little early for those calls.

1919
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 9: But so don't you think like it's on other teams

1920
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 9: like shouldn't they absolutely be calling the Patriots just to

1921
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 9: find it out, like to find what.

1922
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 5: I want to wait a little bit.

1923
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Mike's answer was just not necessarily that it

1924
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 6: won't it just maybe he said a little early for

1925
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 6: those conversations yet. But yeah, I think that was a

1926
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 6: good question. And again, Mike isn't really going to be

1927
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 6: in a position where he's going to be able to

1928
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 6: say a whole lot. That's why I think it's one

1929
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 6: of the more fruitless exercises that we do. But you're right,

1930
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Speaker 6: he filibusters.

1931
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so that was Mike Vrabel. If you have

1932
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 5: any comments about that, you can obviously call or email

1933
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Speaker 5: in eight five to five past five hundred is the

1934
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Speaker 5: hotline or the pot The email is podcast at Patriots

1935
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 5: dot com. But one thing I wanted to bring up

1936
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 5: at his draft time. Bill Belichick is coming out with

1937
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 5: a new book and excerpts are already out or you know,

1938
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 5: some reviewers have already read it. And in one of

1939
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 5: his chapters mistakes, one of the few that he believes

1940
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 5: he's ever made is that he didn't he passed on

1941
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson. You're buying that?

1942
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: No?

1943
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 6: No, I mean, like that's one of the biggest mistakes. Yeah,

1944
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe, but do.

1945
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 5: You believe that he was if they passed on him?

1946
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 5: Because at the time, wasn't it Josh McDaniels who was

1947
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 5: high on the Marjack?

1948
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 6: That was the story, That was the narrative, as the

1949
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 6: kids like to say.

1950
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 5: Right, So I'd be interested maybe off record, Hey Josh, so.

1951
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Speaker 6: Here's my feeling on some of these things. And listen.

1952
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 6: I take the book and face value for what it is.

1953
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 6: I'll probably try to read it when it gets made

1954
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 6: available to the peasants. But it's almost never like who's

1955
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 6: your biggest what was your biggest regret passing on well,

1956
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,919
Speaker 6: you know, actually we dodged a bullet in twenty seventeen.

1957
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 6: We were going to draft might do so and he

1958
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 6: turned out to be out of the league, And like

1959
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 6: it's always like, oh, a two time MVP, right who,

1960
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 6: Like I knew he was good. Yeah, I should have

1961
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 6: taken him, you know, like I was in on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: eighteen was.

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Speaker 1: That the year of the Mark?

1964
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, eighteen to pick before they used on Sony Michelle.

1965
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, and what would I what would a Brady's reaction

1966
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 9: have been like at that one? Like that's to me,

1967
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 9: is well, it would have changed things.

1968
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 6: Right, But at that point he's the true successor. Yeah, right,

1969
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 6: because Brady was only here for two more years, right,

1970
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 6: eighteen and nineteen.

1971
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 9: But it seems like just such like you think, like

1972
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 9: Jimmy G in the second round is one thing, but

1973
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 9: Lamar in the first round just a few years after.

1974
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 6: Just after you probably only about ten picks difference, like

1975
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 6: thirty two. What was Jimmy G like forty yeah, forty

1976
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 6: one something like that.

1977
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: Still though, just the perception of this is what I.

1978
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 6: Lean on you, I come to you one time, can't

1979
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 6: come through, and then this is the manutia I've spent

1980
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 6: from you.

1981
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 5: And then the other one of the few mistakes he

1982
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 5: thinks he ever made winning Robbie Gold. No, well he

1983
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: said that before.

1984
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: He didn't.

1985
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 5: I guess he didn't.

1986
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 6: Another one like it wasn't too. It wasn't cutting the

1987
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 6: kicker who couldn't kick. It wasn't you know, cutting a

1988
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 6: guy who's no longer in the league and you never

1989
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 6: heard of. It was cutting a guy who turned out

1990
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 6: to be one of the best kickers in football.

1991
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 5: Right, but he mentioned, he says in the book, and

1992
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 5: I didn't read it, so I hope I'm getting it.

1993
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 5: But he said that there really was no such thing

1994
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 5: as the Patriot Way. It was something they made up

1995
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 5: and they probably made a lot of money off of it.

1996
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 5: Wasn't that Scott Pioli that came up with the Patriot Way.

1997
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 6: I don't believe. So, no, but don't hold me today.

1998
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 6: I don't listen because Peoli was very similar when he

1999
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 6: did the Pats from the Past with Matt and I.

2000
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Patriot listen, no disrespect to our marketing department,

2001
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 5: but it didn't come from there. It came from the

2002
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 5: football area, either a player or a coach or or Poli.

2003
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 6: I always thought it kind of came from the media.

2004
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 5: It might have come from the media, but it did

2005
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 5: not come from It did not come from I've heard

2006
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 5: or anything like.

2007
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 6: I've had football people several times make comments similar to

2008
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 6: No one inside this building has ever referred to the

2009
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 6: Patriot Way, right, Yeah, in any regard, right Bill, I think,

2010
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 6: like I said, I'm pretty sure Appeoli did. Maybe it

2011
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 6: wasn't on the podcast. It might have just when Matt

2012
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 6: and I were talking to Scott. Okay, but I've heard

2013
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 6: a lot of people in football really pushback that they've

2014
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 6: never and we sort the Patriot ways to push back too.

2015
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 9: I think Robert Kraft has yeah right for me, Like

2016
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 9: I understand why he wants to distance himself from it,

2017
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 9: but I see that as such a sign of respect

2018
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 9: for him in the program that he created, that it

2019
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 9: had its own personality that they had to find a

2020
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 9: name for right or not right.

2021
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: The perception of.

2022
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 9: This team was that they were doing something special here

2023
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 9: and it was the Patriot Way was about having guys

2024
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 9: step up into roles that you know and right or wrong.

2025
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 9: That's the perception of this team in the Dynasty. So

2026
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 9: to me hearing the Patriot Way, I get why Bill

2027
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 9: doesn't want to be put under that name, but I

2028
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 9: see that as the ultimate sign of respect for what he.

2029
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 5: But I think his intention was like it was kind

2030
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 5: of a shot, like it was like a marketing.

2031
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: Like somebody's making money off I can tell you.

2032
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,719
Speaker 5: It was not. It came organically either from a player

2033
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 5: like Bruski or but it did not come from like

2034
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 5: the marketing people you know that come up with the slogans.

2035
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen a stat slogan on the shirt. I've

2036
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: seen do your job once.

2037
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 5: He was out there. They might have adopted it, but

2038
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 5: it did not originate from like, you know, a non

2039
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 5: organic way. It either came from, like Paul says, somebody

2040
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 5: in the media or a player said it.

2041
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: No question, somebody's got to get to the bottom of that.

2042
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Where is the origin of the Patriot Way? Yeah? Where

2043
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: did it start?

2044
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 6: I'll let you you guys can do that. You can

2045
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 6: put that on your hoodie database.

2046
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 5: This stuff I think. I think anytime like a team globally, well,

2047
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 5: like you know the curtain, Yeah, like something happens, difference.

2048
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here for that.

2049
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm here for the steel character, like the Purple

2050
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 6: people eaters, the Orange Crush like not as much. Maybe

2051
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 6: that might be my for the Raiders.

2052
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 9: That because it's describing the program of the.

2053
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 6: But like slogans that you're specifically like like the New

2054
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 6: York Sack Exchange. That was fun. This was a fun nickname, right,

2055
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 6: the Patriot Way, the like do your jobs kind of stuff.

2056
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 6: And I understand, you know, I'm not criticizing anyone, and

2057
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 6: we all have different jobs to do. I just those

2058
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 6: have never really resonated with me.

2059
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 5: I like to do your job.

2060
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 6: I thought that was kind of silly. Really, you know, Bill,

2061
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 6: you know I'm probably gonna be like made fun of Now,

2062
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 6: Oh Bill's not here anymore. Like no, I felt like

2063
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 6: that at the time, like he's a brilliant coach, and

2064
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,480
Speaker 6: he was like, you know, I have this this coaching philosophy.

2065
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 6: Ev from now on, I just want you to analyze football.

2066
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 6: I want you to do your job. But put me

2067
01:31:59,120 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame.

2068
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 5: Push back on you, Paul, and I go back to Purcels.

2069
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 5: Players need to know who they are and their role.

2070
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 5: I mean, players get in trouble on the field when

2071
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 5: they go outside of what they've been asked to do

2072
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 5: and they try to freelance and like ty Locke and

2073
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 5: get away with it.

2074
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 6: I agree with that, and so I think Bill.

2075
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 5: Sees that in like in those critical moments he's on

2076
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 5: the sideland going just do your job.

2077
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, I totally I thought that was perfect.

2078
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 6: I totally agree with all of that. Yeah, but let's

2079
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 6: not make it out to be this revolutionary philosophy. Like

2080
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 6: every coach that's ever coached says that. Now, like all

2081
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 6: of a sudden, he happened to get caught, as you said,

2082
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 6: on the sidelines, just do your job light bulb.

2083
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 5: Well, now that's where I will say that our marketing

2084
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 5: department did adopt that, yes and took it off.

2085
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 9: Yes.

2086
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that's one.

2087
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 6: Where I agree with your like your philosophy and like coaching. Yeah,

2088
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 6: you can get in trouble by trying to do too much.

2089
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 6: Just do what you're supposed to do. Don't worry about

2090
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 6: what Mike's doing. Just do what Paul's doing.

2091
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll be fine. I kind of like taking over

2092
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 5: that one. I think that was a good one to leverage.

2093
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2094
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 9: I put to your job on a T shirt and

2095
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 9: I got seasoned assisted by the NFL circuit twenty ten.

2096
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 9: I was that was one of the first ones I

2097
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 9: popped on there.

2098
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 6: But I love hearing these stories about Mike almost being.

2099
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 9: A legal document from I'm just writing my little blog,

2100
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 9: you know, my mom's basement, I guess.

2101
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 6: I mean.

2102
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 5: We still have the series on pages dot com of

2103
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 5: the behind the scenes jobs that happen on football in

2104
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 5: the stadium. Do your Job? I like that one. I

2105
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 5: don't mind it. I don't think it's silly.

2106
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of though it was

2107
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,480
Speaker 6: big with a it is what it is. I like nicknames.

2108
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 9: It is that was that was one of his earlier

2109
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 9: it is what it is.

2110
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 6: What it is like that's unbelievable to me that something

2111
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 6: as benign as that could take on a life of

2112
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 6: its own.

2113
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 5: Well, when you say so few things, you know, I

2114
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 5: just wish so we could get like something.

2115
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 4: Maybe it will happen once he's truly retired from coaching,

2116
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 4: but like something that's truly candid and like truly authentic

2117
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: of Bill. Like you know, I kind of agree with Paul, like, oh,

2118
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 4: now you liked Lamar Jackson and regret passing on him,

2119
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 4: like you know, not that there was people calling into

2120
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 4: shows like this saying that they should draft Lamar Jackson

2121
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 4: a lot of people in eighteen, right, Like so, I

2122
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 4: don't know, but I always look at Lamar as an

2123
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 4: interesting case study because I think if he had come

2124
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 4: around now instead of back in eighteen, he's the number

2125
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 4: one over he would.

2126
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2127
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 5: But the thing about drafting Lamar Jackson, especially when you

2128
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 5: have Tom Brady, he's how are you developing and getting

2129
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 5: him ready? Yeah you can't not in your offense?

2130
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 6: Well, Driving Baltimore did it, yeah, yeah, but they.

2131
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 5: They made a commitment to him, right, away.

2132
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 6: No, they did not, Yes, they did. They absolutely did not.

2133
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 6: They made a commitment to him in year two. Okay,

2134
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 6: after he replaced in Flacco, they did nothing to cater

2135
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 6: to him. In year year two Flacco was the incumbent

2136
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 6: Flacco I.

2137
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 7: Think you.

2138
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 5: I know he's right. In year two they were ready

2139
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 5: for him.

2140
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 6: And then they committed to him, but they did nothing

2141
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 6: to prepare to do that. They took he fell in

2142
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 6: their laps. They took him. Flacco ran the very conventional

2143
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 6: ravens he had to come in, and then he ran

2144
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 6: around and made places as an athlete, and they said,

2145
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 6: now we need to cater.

2146
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 5: I'm not arguing with that. But in year two they

2147
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 5: were ready for him, they were ready to make that commitment.

2148
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 5: They that would not have happened if the Patriots had

2149
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 5: because they had Tom Brady for a year, two more years.

2150
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 6: So the one year is the year they did nothing.

2151
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 6: Now it's one more year that Brady's the quarterback, and

2152
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,759
Speaker 6: there was Why would they not have said Brady's going

2153
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 6: they knew he was going.

2154
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if they knew he was going. I

2155
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 5: don't know about that. That's what they I don't know about.

2156
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 6: This is what I would push that. That's the only

2157
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 6: part that I found even interesting in any of those years.

2158
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,719
Speaker 5: They did know Flacco was going and no they didn't,

2159
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 5: and anybody drafted Lamar Jackson had to be ready to

2160
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 5: make that commitment that we're going to change our offense.

2161
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 5: I think they made like that at the time.

2162
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 6: I think they made the commitment on the fly. I

2163
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 6: don't think that they were.

2164
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,679
Speaker 5: Made the commitment when they drafted.

2165
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 6: I don't think they did Greg Roman. I'm pretty sure

2166
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 6: Greg Roman came in the year.

2167
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 7: After I don't remember the year, but they knew that if.

2168
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 5: We draft this guy, and I get I give them

2169
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 5: all the credit in the world. I did it at

2170
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 5: the frontime for Harbaugh, and I do it now. They

2171
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 5: were the only team that had the I'll take you

2172
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 5: to go and take.

2173
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 6: Your word for it, because, as I've said millions of times,

2174
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 6: the CTE kicks in. I think Greg Roman came in

2175
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 6: in nineteen I think they changed their whole offense. I

2176
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 6: think when they drafted and there were still people that

2177
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 6: thought he might not even be a quarterback.

2178
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 5: No, I do not think that they guy in the

2179
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 5: first round. I don't know if we're going to use him.

2180
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 7: Or not Greg was on the staff. They knew, but

2181
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 7: he was not.

2182
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 10: Right.

2183
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 6: So that was a complete switch.

2184
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 5: But they exactly they knew when they drafted him, we're

2185
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 5: going to have to switch our wes a lot sooner

2186
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 5: than eventually they go to have been two years, just

2187
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 5: like it's just like here. Yeah, I don't know, I

2188
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't think so much anyway, I see.

2189
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 5: I give them all the credit. I don't think any

2190
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 5: team had the nerve to do what they did.

2191
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 7: I just don't think it just credit.

2192
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 4: I don't ever think it was ever that big of

2193
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 4: a change. And I think that that was what got

2194
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 4: overrated about Lamar when he was coming out, was that

2195
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 4: he wasn't going to be able to throw from the

2196
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 4: pocket and he wasn't going to be able to do

2197
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 4: the things that traditional quarterbats.

2198
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 6: That's what I remember.

2199
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 5: It was a big change. It was a huge change.

2200
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the read option and everything was

2201
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 6: a change from what Flacco was running.

2202
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I mean like what they were

2203
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 4: doing in Baltimore. Sure, but I'm talking about like more

2204
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 4: like the development of football and where the game was

2205
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 4: headed in all those because nowadays all these quarterbacks.

2206
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but not back then.

2207
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 7: But but we were.

2208
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 4: He was the first of the you know, not the first,

2209
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 4: but one of the first in the curve. And I

2210
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 4: just like, you know, if he was if he was

2211
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 4: in this draft or even last year's draft, like he

2212
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 4: might be the number one pick in the draft, because

2213
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 4: everybody does all.

2214
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,719
Speaker 6: Right, but this is today, this was I I agree

2215
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 6: with all the stuff you're saying about Baltimore. I would

2216
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 6: agree with they did it. No one else did. They

2217
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 6: did it, so they do deserve credit for that. My

2218
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 6: bigger picture thing with the Belichick comment is back to

2219
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 6: kind of the way Evan was talking. It's not even

2220
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 6: so much that Lamar Jackson is really good. It's like,

2221
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 6: let's say Lamar Jackson was Tim Tebow and he really

2222
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 6: wanted Tim Tebow and he regretted taking Sony Michelle instead

2223
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 6: of Tim Tebow at thirty two. Do you think that

2224
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 6: that would have been the example he used.

2225
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 5: It's hindsight.

2226
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 6: It's hindsight, that's my point.

2227
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 9: Well, it's also like I didn't regret not playing Malcolm

2228
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 9: Butler in the Super Bowl.

2229
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: There's none of like those those Well, that.

2230
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 5: Wasn't in the mistake. That wasn't a mistake.

2231
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 6: He didn't even yeah, it's not a mistake. He didn't

2232
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:49,839
Speaker 6: even mention.

2233
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 9: Well, what if you could you trade Brady in nineteen,

2234
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 9: then if he won the Super Bowl in eighteen, you

2235
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 9: got lamar and then you just say, we just won

2236
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 9: a super Bowl. Tom's stock is pretty high. Let's get

2237
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 9: let's move him now and just make the switch now

2238
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 9: to Lamarga.

2239
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 6: I think they could.

2240
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 7: I don't think.

2241
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 6: I don't think they ever would have done it, But

2242
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 6: like it was apparent heading into the nineteen season that

2243
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 6: there was a I don't call it ninety percent chance

2244
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 6: that Brady was gone. Mike, you and I were sitting

2245
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 6: there listening to Tom. I want to say, in Detroit,

2246
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 6: say go ask mister Craft. Or it might have been

2247
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 6: it was either Nashville or Detroit, one of those trips.

2248
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 13: That I.

2249
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 6: Wasn't in Detroit, you know, go ask mister Craft. Like

2250
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 6: the writing was on the wall. Bill didn't want him anymore.

2251
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 6: I think Tom had tired of playing for Bill. He

2252
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 6: deserves blame too, he said. And it was money related

2253
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 6: to That's all all part of it.

2254
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: All this stuff is true in this book.

2255
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 6: So if you take a quarterback in the first round

2256
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: in eighteen, he's going to be the quarterback within the

2257
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 6: next three years. I don't think there's any problem there,

2258
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:52,879
Speaker 6: but in terms.

2259
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 5: Of breaking but even that might like so Bill says

2260
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 5: in the book it was money related, it was, but

2261
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't all money related, you know, like he just

2262
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 5: can't admit like, yeah.

2263
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 6: Maybe anything, Yeah, you can never.

2264
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 5: Maybe I should have done differently.

2265
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 6: He's very clever. He's a very very bright guy. And

2266
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that ironically. He's a very smart guy.

2267
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:21,839
Speaker 6: He has a way of my mistakes, if you really

2268
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,719
Speaker 6: parse it out, aren't really mistakes, right, there are signs

2269
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 6: that I always knew what I was doing, but I

2270
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 6: regret this. This is you know, like fred Fred has

2271
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 6: hit back me up. There was a time like in

2272
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 6: eight or so that his biggest regret personnel wise, was

2273
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 6: allowing Robbie Gold to leave kicker. Who was the kicker

2274
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 6: at the time, Adam Vinitari. Do you think anyone's going

2275
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 6: to criticize that move, like, well, you didn't kick Adam

2276
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 6: to the curb for Robbie Gold.

2277
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 2: No.

2278
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 6: He has a way of saying, my mistakes, even my mistakes, I'm.

2279
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 5: Signs of brilliantly understandable.

2280
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 6: They're all understandable, and there are all other examples of

2281
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:05,759
Speaker 6: my brilliance, right right, that's he That's what he's all about.

2282
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 6: It's never like, you know what, I came up with

2283
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 6: this game plan in week four and it got absolutely eviscerated.

2284
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 6: I blew it, and I cost our team the game.

2285
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 6: The players all did their jobs. It was my game.

2286
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 5: But Steven Jackson could win us a game in Miami.

2287
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 6: Never right, He'll tell you that the blocking broke down

2288
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 6: in that game. That was a great game plan. The

2289
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 6: blocking broke down.

2290
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 5: And we're not And I'm not saying that Bill isn't

2291
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 5: brilliant and he's best coach, but like even the best

2292
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 5: make mistakes, you know.

2293
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 6: But his mistakes are other examples of how good he is.

2294
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 6: They're not really mistakes.

2295
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,879
Speaker 1: I think we probably would all agree that Josh probably really.

2296
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 9: Liked Lamar, and you just wonder how I understand was

2297
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 9: Bill that's how I high on Lamar and and then

2298
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 9: couldn't really just get there with him?

2299
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 1: Or was he dismissive of Lamar?

2300
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 9: And he had staff that all wanted him, and like,

2301
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 9: what was the mistake?

2302
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 6: Really knowing his core? Bill's core? Like he doesn't think

2303
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 6: that's right football.

2304
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 4: Which is so funny to me because it's the beer.

2305
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 4: It's like like, isn't that supposed to be?

2306
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 10: Right?

2307
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 7: It's like as a football.

2308
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 5: Like school football that we have run counter bash, which

2309
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 5: they did what.

2310
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:18,480
Speaker 6: They run at North Carolina.

2311
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. I I mean, well, I've never

2312
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: known Jordan's cheek the staff, no.

2313
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 6: I I will be curious to see what kind of

2314
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 6: offense and what kind of quarterback they have. This is

2315
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 6: a true dual threat guy because even after you know,

2316
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 6: like Lamar's you know, success that takes off, they never

2317
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 6: really had a guy that could run that. You know,

2318
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 6: Mac Jones and Bailey is Appy weren't running that, so

2319
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 6: I wonder, right, and that's what he would do.

2320
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,799
Speaker 7: Those are the guys that he drafted.

2321
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 4: You know, let's take Cam out of it, because it

2322
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 4: Cam was kind of but like, but they drafted guys

2323
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 4: that were not any clean close to Lamar. They drafted

2324
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 4: pocket pass, trying to recreate.

2325
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 6: Tommy jam Gill couldn't throw. Unfortunately, he ran well that year,

2326
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 6: but he couldn't ever consistently throw. So you never really

2327
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 6: got that.

2328
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 7: But you look at it.

2329
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 4: Bil would have done what Josh did with Cam, and

2330
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 4: you said, Okay, Well, if Josh were doing that with

2331
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson instead of you know, Cam Newton at that

2332
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 4: stage of his career, you can see how that offense

2333
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 4: would be have been highly successful for mar Jackson.

2334
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 5: All right, let's go back to the hotline. Jasper's in Summerville.

2335
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 2: What's up?

2336
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 5: Jasper?

2337
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 6: Jasper wasting away?

2338
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Patty and am what's up Patty?

2339
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

2340
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up?

2341
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 5: Guys?

2342
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm wondering if enough build list of mistakes.

2343
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,560
Speaker 15: He he lists going forward on fourth and thirteen and

2344
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 15: the Super Bowl as opposed to attempting a forty eight

2345
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 15: yard field goal.

2346
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's a good example, Patty. Like that, to

2347
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 6: me would be an example of, you know, one of

2348
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,600
Speaker 6: my biggest regrets, passing up a field goal in a

2349
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 6: field goal game. But go for fourth and thirteen.

2350
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 5: But in all fairness, maybe he still doesn't think that

2351
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 5: was a mistake.

2352
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm quite certain he doesn't think it was a

2353
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 6: mistaken That's my whole point. He doesn't think he's ever

2354
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 6: made one.

2355
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 5: I know, but I would, you know, but I mean, honestly, sincerely,

2356
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 5: he doesn't believe it's a mistake.

2357
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 6: I think that that kind of ego does not ever

2358
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 6: think they make a mistake.

2359
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,560
Speaker 5: Maybe he should have called the second guesses instead of

2360
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 5: mistakes and then maybe would get some more you know.

2361
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 9: Well, it's like you said, Paul, you're not going to

2362
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 9: hear a contact decision that cost the team a win,

2363
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 9: which is probably a lot of them.

2364
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 6: And that's a great example that Patty brought up. Like

2365
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 6: the fourth and two at Indye, to me is not

2366
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 6: because I think you can make a really strong argument

2367
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 6: that you.

2368
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 2: Couldn't stop him.

2369
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 6: We can get two yards and win the game. I'm

2370
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 6: going to do that. I think a lot of teams

2371
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,560
Speaker 6: do that now. The Lunatic in Detroit does it on

2372
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 6: a weekly basis, even if he can win the game.

2373
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 6: Dan Campbell does it all the time.

2374
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 5: I think you can.

2375
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 6: I at the time, and I still would say that

2376
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 6: that was a mistake. He should have just punted. But

2377
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 6: I think you can make a very wrong argument for that.

2378
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a really good argument to go

2379
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 6: for fourth and thirteen when you're in field goal range.

2380
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:09,839
Speaker 6: Fourth and thirteen is not a high percentage play. Coaches

2381
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 6: like that generally try to play the percentages. You got

2382
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 6: to tell me that he had a better chance of

2383
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 6: making a forty eight yard field goal than converting fourth

2384
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 6: and thirteen.

2385
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, at the time, was Gostkowski having trouble

2386
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 5: with the longer kicks?

2387
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 6: Again, this is the narrative that comes out because this

2388
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 6: is what happened. I know, and you know Gostowski's now

2389
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 6: had the worst pregame warm up ever, right, and he

2390
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 6: was scared. He was skittish in the Super Bowl in

2391
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 6: his rookie year and or whatever second year or whatever

2392
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 6: it was. Yeah, Like I don't know, maybe he was,

2393
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 6: Maybe he was, But like I just feel like that's

2394
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 6: a great example of and I don't think that that

2395
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 6: would come up for him. No, got to make the play.

2396
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 6: Brady should have made the throw. That's the way he'd

2397
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 6: look at it. Need to tell me we don't have

2398
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Speaker 6: a guy Foxborough he could make that throw.

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01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 5: Floyd and Redford Michigan writes in Albert Breer said you

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01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 5: don't pass on great for very good to fill the

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01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 5: need right now. He also said the Patriots are in

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01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 5: no position to draft for twenty twenty five, in other words,

2403
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 5: need now over long term. Do you agree with Albert Breer?

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01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 4: I think it's a nice sentiment, I don't think it

2405
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 4: necessarily applies to a draft like.

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01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 6: This, correct. I think in theory I would agree one

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01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 6: hundred percent with Breer's statement. I wouldn't pass on Abdul

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01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 6: Carter or Travis Hunter to fill the need now. But

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01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 6: I think Evan's gonna be right. I think you're gonna

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01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 6: be deciding between similar players, and you go with the

2411
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 6: one that fills the biggest need. And if that's Will Campbell,

2412
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 6: it's Will Campbell.

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01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: That's how you're horizontally stacked. If I tried.

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01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 6: Did you get it?

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01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 7: I tried to that that wasn't what I was looking for.

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01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 7: He knew though he knew how he knew what I

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01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 7: was going for, and he he didn't.

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01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: How was the mood in the in the in the

2419
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: press conference there, ev it was?

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01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 7: It was interesting.

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01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 4: It was like it was kind of you know, the

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01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 4: same people, like a couple people got multiple questions and

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01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 4: like it wasn't like as contentious.

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01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 7: To get a question off as like even.

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01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,600
Speaker 5: I got a question and usually I try to what

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01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 5: was your question?

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01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 7: Didn't He asked about the.

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01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 4: Tie breakers in terms of, you know, if you have

2429
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 4: guys that are graded similarly on the board, like how

2430
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 4: do you how do you stack them?

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01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 7: You know, how do you grade them? And he got

2432
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:20,600
Speaker 7: into the vertical.

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01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 5: And the horz I caught the tail in. I was

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01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 5: out yelling less.

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01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 9: About the running backs there at the end.

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01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 7: I believe that was ben Volan.

2437
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 6: That's my guy, Benny. Benny asked about the running back,

2438
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 6: how do you value the great question?

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01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 7: You know, it was a little a little subdued, trying.

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01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was was my buddy Mike there. I didn't

2441
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 6: hear a question from Mike, Yes, he was there. I

2442
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 6: didn't hear. Yeah, I did hear Mike asked a question.

2443
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 4: And sometimes you get into those press conferences and they

2444
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 4: kind of pepper the guy a little bit, you know,

2445
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:52,679
Speaker 4: and it's it's a little bit more.

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01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 7: Some media groups do no I think our media group

2447
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 7: does it. But I just don't think that this was

2448
01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 7: one of those. This was a little bit more.

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01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, laid back, And I do think that that's a

2450
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:03,640
Speaker 6: hard I think it's a hard press conference. I think

2451
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 6: there's a million questions that are really good questions that

2452
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 6: you know, you're not really going to get answers to

2453
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 6: because of the position that the guy's in, Like I

2454
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 6: can't give away too much here my line of thought.

2455
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I think I think those are kind

2456
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 6: of chicky on both sides. What you're going to ask

2457
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 6: you to answer?

2458
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 5: Did they feed the media today?

2459
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 7: Well, the groundbreaking up at Chick fil A.

2460
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 5: They're giving away food there.

2461
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 1: They bring some food down or is it all up

2462
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: in the ground.

2463
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 7: It's all up at the ground. You gotta go get it.

2464
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 5: So they're trying to get media over there, ye, trying

2465
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,560
Speaker 5: to get probably work because wherever this food will go, Michael.

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01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 2: A swing back, take a walk.

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01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the receptionist makes fun of me.

2468
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:45,639
Speaker 1: And then will go if they have a lemonade.

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01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never do.

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01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 4: That was that was told to us last week was

2471
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 4: no lunch, But Chick fil A up the street is

2472
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 4: doing the groundbreaking. If you all want to go get

2473
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 4: lunch there.

2474
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 6: Oh very nice.

2475
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 5: Is it still raining out?

2476
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no rain.

2477
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 6: Maybe a little bit might be able to play a

2478
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 6: little golf might be a rainout.

2479
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 5: Rick writes in He's in Dallas. Have a draft question

2480
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 5: specifically for Evan No, why wouldn't the Giants draft? Asktroon genty?

2481
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,759
Speaker 5: If cam Ward goes to the Titans and the Browns

2482
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 5: take Travis Hunter, then based on expert consensus, there are

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01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 5: two blue chip players left, Abdul Carter and Genty. The

2484
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,839
Speaker 5: Giants already have solid defense, including two phenomenal edge rushers,

2485
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 5: and both the GM and coach are in a win

2486
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 5: now mode to save their jobs. If they truly are

2487
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 5: punting on quarterback until next year, then pairing Genty with

2488
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 5: Molik Neighbors, a serviceable Russell Wilson, and a solid defense

2489
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 5: would certainly improve their record and set up whatever rookie

2490
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 5: quarterback they take next year. Makes complete sense to me.

2491
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 5: But I haven't heard anyone talking about this. Am I

2492
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 5: completely living in a fantasy world? Or is this a

2493
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 5: plausible draft scenario?

2494
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 4: I think that the main reason why people aren't talking

2495
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 4: about it is because the Giants did this with Saquon

2496
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 4: Barkley and they've been this road, but you draft him, Yeah,

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01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,799
Speaker 4: And I don't think that even though it's different regime,

2498
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 4: different decision makers, is not a different owner.

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01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 6: And I think I would push back and say they

2500
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,879
Speaker 6: have a terrible defense, not a not a pretty good defense.

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01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 6: And I don't think Cavon Thibodeau has proven himself as

2502
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 6: a standout defensive end either.

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01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 4: I would agree with that, But yeah, I think that

2504
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 4: the main reason is is probably some you know saquon.

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01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just watch.

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01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 9: That's a great point, right, And so much of Hard

2507
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 9: Knocks is them kind of convincing John Marra about why

2508
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 9: we don't need him, why we should move on, what

2509
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 9: we should do, and then yeah, to turn around one

2510
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 9: year later and then be like, Andy, we're going to

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01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 9: spend the fourth overall pick on the rend.

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01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 6: You were right, you were right, You're right, John, I'm

2513
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 6: going to take this right.

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01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't ever rule anything out because I

2516
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 6: see teams make enormous mistakes all the time. But I

2517
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 6: just feel like there's not really a I don't think

2518
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 6: that Genty and abdul cotter a comparable blue chip prospects.

2519
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 6: I think Carter is much better.

2520
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 7: But he's bat he's better.

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01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 4: I would say that right now, Gent's sweet spot is

2522
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,640
Speaker 4: in that six to ten rage somewhere.

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01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 6: Whether it's Vegas Raiders take you know someone.

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01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 4: Most people rule out Jacksonville because they have a nerd

2525
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 4: running their team now, and most likely the analytics guys

2526
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 4: are not going to take a running back that high.

2527
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 4: So you know that most people have ruled Jacksonville out.

2528
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 4: But Jacksonville is a weird team to me because I

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01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 4: because of that, like I'm not really like sure who

2530
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 4: they're gonna draft. It's kind of weird to kind of

2531
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,600
Speaker 4: project because you know, they could do something that's a

2532
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 4: little bit out of the ordinary at five because they're

2533
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 4: going based off of a different grading scale than yeah, yeah,

2534
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:48,640
Speaker 4: like you know, conventional wisdom would say it's gent d

2535
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 4: it's Mason Graham.

2536
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,799
Speaker 5: How cool would it be for ESPN and NFL Network

2537
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 5: if the Jaguars trade Trevor Lawrence on draft Day.

2538
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna happen, but that'd be cool.

2539
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 1: To do what I don't know because of analytics?

2540
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 6: Then who plays quarterback? Oh man, what a tough SELLI is.

2541
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:23,640
Speaker 4: But like if if Shamar Stewart went to Jacksonville, just

2542
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 4: the the the rod, but the athletic upside is just

2543
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:32,440
Speaker 4: off the charts. And I'm sure all of the analytics

2544
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 4: models love the projection and all that stuff. Like I

2545
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 4: could see that over like Mason Graham, when you walk

2546
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,680
Speaker 4: off the buzz, You're like, this guy's a top ten

2547
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 4: pick in the draft. Like I just can't see an

2548
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 4: analytics guy drafting drafting his drafting genty.

2549
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 6: You just put the jinks on us.

2550
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 7: What does the spreadsheets say?

2551
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: Gla'm not picked behind him? You're kind of like, what

2552
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 1: are they gonna do?

2553
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 6: I could see, Yeah, I mean the Jacksonville thing is

2554
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 6: interesting trading trading. I mean, I'm not ruling out to

2555
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 6: trade Trevor Lawrence, but like then, what do you do?

2556
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:10,640
Speaker 6: You have to have some kind of plan. Well, like

2557
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 6: you're playing. Can't be I'm trading Trevor Lawrence to replace

2558
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 6: him what she was saying, plus.

2559
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 7: Locked, I'm pretty sure.

2560
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 6: I mean that even makes it more dire.

2561
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm pretty sure Liam Cone is there to

2562
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 4: fix to fix Trevor Lawrence and tournament to Baker Mayfield.

2563
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 1: Last year.

2564
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 5: Most interesting Patriots fan of the world, James Pettigrew writes

2565
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 5: in going back to Bill's Mistakes, I want Bill to

2566
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 5: tell me how he felt as the Wildcat unfolded a

2567
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 5: few times where he might have been overwhelmed, that that

2568
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 5: was a great one. James, I was like, I was overwhelmed.

2569
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Yeah, why can't we stop this?

2570
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 6: That Miami game was surreal?

2571
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 1: What was it like in there?

2572
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 9: It was like frustrating you neede, there was no to

2573
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,560
Speaker 9: be like, this is the wildcat, guys, like you just

2574
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 9: stop it.

2575
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 6: Oh no, everybody called it the wildcat, but like no

2576
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 6: one really understood why the Patriots couldn't get in the

2577
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 6: way extra gap Well, I mean, who knew it was

2578
01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:08,879
Speaker 6: that simple? Very good if you remember, and you probably

2579
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 6: won't because you're not losers like me. They went to

2580
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 6: Denver in the Tebow era and the same thing happened

2581
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 6: for about a quarter and a half and then Bill went.

2582
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 5: And that was it.

2583
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 6: It ended. But I do still wonder, like, why was

2584
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 6: it so difficult to adjust to and stop.

2585
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 9: With so many veteran players on defense who had by

2586
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 9: that point seen everything you would think. I mean, the

2587
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 9: Teddy Bruski's of the world look like they're like you know.

2588
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 4: I feel like they had problems with mobile, dual threat

2589
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 4: quarterbacks throughout his tenure, and I don't know if this

2590
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 4: stas necessarily backed that up, but just anecdotally, it feels

2591
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 4: like those types of guys always gave them some problems,

2592
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 4: and I always chalked it up to personnel, like they

2593
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 4: had heavier.

2594
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 6: But those two games were not examples of that. Like

2595
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 6: Chad Pennington was not a obal dual threat quarterback, and

2596
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 6: Tim Tebow was not a dual threat quarterback. I'll just

2597
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 6: leave it at that. Yeah, he only had a quarter

2598
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 6: he was. He was a half a threat quarterback. He

2599
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 6: was a good fullback. He could not throw. But I

2600
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 6: I just when he was when he was a Patriot.

2601
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 7: I wasn't but I went to training camp that summer.

2602
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you've never seen You've never ever seen

2603
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 6: a quarterback throw the ball more poorly?

2604
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 2: Then?

2605
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 6: How could it be that bad?

2606
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: Like That's what I always wondered. I'm like, this guy

2607
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 1: played college football.

2608
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 10: You wan't like.

2609
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 6: He didn't just play college football. He's arguably one of

2610
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 6: the five best college football players of all time, and

2611
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 6: he couldn't throw.

2612
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 5: That's what we got to ask Josh Tebow was like,

2613
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 5: what a Josh?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's another like Josh truths here and we

2615
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: ever get him in here?

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01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think we should.

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01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 6: It was a blown opportunity. Last year we had him,

2618
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 6: We could have asked him anything like he was he was.

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01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 6: He was all over me and Mike last year. We

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01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 6: could have asked him anything.

2621
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 5: Al from Wisconsin back to I'm surprised one of his

2622
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 5: mistakes wasn't bowing to the pressure to get rid of Patricia.

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01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, that's friend.

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01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 6: That's a that's a really really good example of what I'm.

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01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 5: Talking right exactly.

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01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, because he would have run it back in

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01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 6: twenty three with you know, he would have if he had,

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01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 6: if he had no pressure to do anything. He thinks

2629
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 6: it would have worked. Oh yeah, I didn't make a mistake.

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01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 7: Look at the last game of the season. We had

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01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 7: our best offensive performance of the year. That's what he

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01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 7: would have said. The game in Buffalo where they for

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01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 7: half they looked like a real offense.

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01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 6: Not the game that Rager returned to kick for a touchdown.

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01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 7: I don't believe so two years ago.

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01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the Jets game, right, and now

2637
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 1: they lost the Jets last year.

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01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 6: It was a Bills game in Buffalo, right, So yeah,

2639
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 6: but it was a different game. It wasn't the game

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01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 6: that it.

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01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 5: Might have been.

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01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 7: But I remember that that half.

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01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 4: There's a Patricia year in Buffalo. I believe it was

2644
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 4: the last game of the season where they actually looked

2645
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 4: like a Yeah that.

2646
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,839
Speaker 5: Rehett says his biggest mistake was saying Brady couldn't play anymore.

2647
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 6: I don't think that and his Roun. I'm going to

2648
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 6: be strange. I don't think that was a mistake. I

2649
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,400
Speaker 6: think he said that the guys in his forties and

2650
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 6: at some point he's not gonna have like he obviously

2651
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 6: knew he could still playball, like how long.

2652
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 5: Like.

2653
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 6: I don't think that had any I don't think that

2654
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 6: had a ton to do with his ability.

2655
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: And he's probably ready for something new, just like Tom

2656
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: is ready for something.

2657
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 6: And I don't think that I've said this a million times.

2658
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 6: I would have treated it like the Big Three for

2659
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 6: the Celtics, and I would have let them all get

2660
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 6: old together and let them go off into the sunset

2661
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 6: and whatever, let them call this a shot. But I

2662
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,440
Speaker 6: don't think it's wrong to say, you know what, for

2663
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 6: the best, the best thing for the football team is

2664
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 6: to let Brady go and start over again, because whether

2665
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 6: it's this year or next, he's not going to be

2666
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 6: able to do this any any longer.

2667
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 5: Well, and here's the thing. You know, we talk about

2668
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 5: Parcels getting into the Patrios Hall of Fame, and I'm

2669
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 5: famous for saying I would not vote for him, but

2670
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 5: he's getting in good. Good for him. But the dar

2671
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,240
Speaker 5: between Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells in that respect is

2672
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 5: Belichick wasn't for the long haul. He was thinking five

2673
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 5: years down the road, parcels every year, didn't know if

2674
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 5: he was going to come back.

2675
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 6: I found a way to take a shot at Parcels.

2676
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm just saying that. I'm actually trying to

2677
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:24,360
Speaker 5: compliment Bill Belichick are and likes as much of a

2678
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 5: pain in the ass he is to an owner and

2679
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 5: owner like having a coach who is thinking down the

2680
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 5: road is comforting for an owner.

2681
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean I just begs the question, and

2682
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 9: why were they someone prepared at the quarterback position after

2683
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 9: Brady if he knew he was getting older.

2684
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 6: That's the mistake. The mistake is not having a plan.

2685
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:49,920
Speaker 5: Well, no, the Garoppolo was the plan, and Brady screwed

2686
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 5: it up.

2687
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 10: Okay, so you have four more years to have to

2688
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 10: do another plan.

2689
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 5: I get it. I get it. But I think at

2690
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 5: that but yeah, we don't know all the stuff that

2691
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 5: went that happened after that. But then I think started

2692
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 5: things started to get real contentious between the owner, Brady

2693
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 5: and Belichick.

2694
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 6: But I'm just talking in the grand scheme of in

2695
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 6: his largest mistakes, the mistake isn't letting Brady go while

2696
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 6: he could still play. The mistake is not having a plan.

2697
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 6: He traded Garoppolo in seventeen. It was apparent long before

2698
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 6: that that Brady was going to outlive his plan, his

2699
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 6: original plan from fourteen. You had ample time to figure

2700
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 6: something out, so you know, maybe I should take it

2701
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 6: more at face value, going back to the beginning here

2702
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 6: with Lamar Jackson. Well, maybe that's why that's his mistake,

2703
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,480
Speaker 6: is that would have been my well succession plan part two.

2704
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

2705
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 6: Sorry, two point zero.

2706
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 5: But here's the thing. So now about the draft, Brady

2707
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 5: doesn't trust me anymore, you know, And so if I

2708
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 5: draft this other guy, or if I reveal this other plan,

2709
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:54,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lose Brady. The Owner's going to be against me.

2710
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 5: It's gonna be two against one. So now all I

2711
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 5: can do right now is to suck at otch with

2712
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 5: and what and and play it out, let him play

2713
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 5: it out, and you know, if the owner forces me

2714
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 5: to keep him and pay him, that's what I'll have

2715
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 5: to do. But I'm just gonna wait it out. At

2716
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 5: this point, I think it was there was a lot

2717
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 5: going on behind the scenes that I'm not saying that

2718
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Belchi gave up, but it was like,

2719
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna get go through that again.

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02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 9: You know, everybody was in their own corners and the

2721
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 9: lines of demarcation have been set, and I just I

2722
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 9: don't like the you know, just that he watched it

2723
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:28,960
Speaker 9: die and and didn't try it. I mean, I like,

2724
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 9: I keep thinking of Joe Milton. Not that Joe Milton

2725
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 9: would have been the answer this year, but like they

2726
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 9: had nothing when Brady left, Like even somebody like Joe Milton.

2727
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 9: You can imagine the whole fan base being like Joe Milton.

2728
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 6: That was Jared Stidham, right, he never.

2729
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,040
Speaker 5: Let them like right, one more quick quick call then

2730
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 5: we have to wrap it up. Matt's in Mississippi. What's up, Matt?

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02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, love to hear you, guys. I'm excited for

2732
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 3: the draft. Just a quick draft question. I know everybody's

2733
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,800
Speaker 3: focused on wide receiver and lineman and that's very important.

2734
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:01,560
Speaker 3: Is there a physician on that thing that people might

2735
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:04,040
Speaker 3: feel comfortable about, that you might feel a little weary

2736
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 3: about that we should a dread later in the draft.

2737
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone except quarterback, safety or maybe maybe not corner back.

2738
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 5: Now because I feel with Davis Gonzo that's become less

2739
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 5: of an area of need. But other than that, like

2740
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 5: best players.

2741
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just I wonder how the safety position plays

2742
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 9: out with Epps coming in more of a free safety type,

2743
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 9: do they want to get back to more traditional roles.

2744
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 9: I just I'm not sure what the safety position looks like.

2745
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,160
Speaker 9: You have a lot of guys, mostly strong safety box

2746
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 9: type guys. Ideally I could see Epps kind of playing

2747
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 9: and maybe they move on from Peppers or Dugger, or

2748
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 9: maybe they all three of them play.

2749
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely as Matt. If you want to go

2751
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,080
Speaker 4: like real sneaky, I'd say safety is probably on the

2752
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 4: top of the list. And you know, obviously less sneaky

2753
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:58,120
Speaker 4: but still important. I mean, center is I think a

2754
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 4: really big one at some point. I would assume that

2755
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:05,200
Speaker 4: they're going to pick a center at least a draft

2756
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 4: one at the end of day three at the very least.

2757
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens there. But I think Garrett

2758
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 4: Bradberry is a one year thing. Like I don't look

2759
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 4: at Garrett Bradberry as a long term answer there.

2760
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 5: All right, that's going to be it for this edition

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