Speaker 1: I won't let my body out outweigh everything that I'm made,
Speaker 1: won't spend my life trying to change. I'm learning to
Speaker 1: love who I am. I get I'm strong, I feel free,
Speaker 1: I know who every part of me. It's beautiful and
Speaker 1: then will always out way if you feel it with
Speaker 1: your hands in here, she'll some love to the boom.
Speaker 1: I get that. Let's say, good day at time? Did
Speaker 1: you even die out? Welcome back outweigh fam Lisa here
Speaker 1: and I'm here with the amazing Kathleen Cameron. Welcome Kathleen.
Speaker 1: Thank you so happy to be here. If you missed it,
Speaker 1: I had Kathleen on my podcast The Truthius Life, and
Speaker 1: we talked all about how this woman made fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars in two years. You heard that right, fifteen million
Speaker 1: in two years. And best of all, she did it
Speaker 1: by helping other women up level and live their best lives.
Speaker 1: So she is a woman that is is helping all
Speaker 1: of us, and her story of how she did that
Speaker 1: is really incredible. So I'll link that in the show
Speaker 1: notes below. And Kathleen, does that feel like an okay
Speaker 1: intro for you? Yes, that's a beautiful intro. You know
Speaker 1: the thing that really makes it so special is that
Speaker 1: there's nothing special about me. And so as you hear that,
Speaker 1: you're going to think, oh, there, there's something she's got
Speaker 1: this like crazy education that taught her how to run
Speaker 1: a business. No, I'm a registered nurse by background who
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to live an extraordinary life. And here
Speaker 1: I am creating a right before my eyes. So anybody
Speaker 1: can do anything. And hopefully that's the message you'll get today.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's that's kind of our audience. You know,
Speaker 1: we do have people that are nurses and every day,
Speaker 1: you know, people that are going to work every day
Speaker 1: and working really hard and feeling just stuck in so
Speaker 1: many ways. And the reason I wanted to bring Kathleen
Speaker 1: on Out Way. We talked a little bit of my
Speaker 1: podcast about it, but I wanted to save it for
Speaker 1: Outweigh is because Kathleen mentioned that she's been dieting and
Speaker 1: struggling with her weight her entire life. And it was
Speaker 1: the same time that she healed that that she also
Speaker 1: leaped forward in her business. So what is your relationship
Speaker 1: to your body and food and how long did that
Speaker 1: go on for? Oh my gosh, I have a book
Speaker 1: that I actually wrote a little bit about the transformation
Speaker 1: process in my perspective or perception of my body, you know,
Speaker 1: and the path that I took to retrain myself to
Speaker 1: see myself differently. But in that book I talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, the first time that I started to starve
Speaker 1: myself was when I was in grade seven, so like,
Speaker 1: what's that twelve years old. I remember somebody told me
Speaker 1: if you drink a lot of water, it will flush
Speaker 1: the fat out, and that you know, you eat an
Speaker 1: apple a day and you'll lose right, And so every
Speaker 1: single day would throw my lunch out and I drink
Speaker 1: water all day every day, and out of the bathroom
Speaker 1: all day, and then I would eat one apple during
Speaker 1: the day, and you know, I started to lose weight,
Speaker 1: and then I started to feel a little bit better
Speaker 1: about myself. But then I stopped doing that, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of reinforced this thing my whole life of
Speaker 1: just not having an ideal body. And I remember the
Speaker 1: first time, actually somebody told me that I shouldn't want
Speaker 1: to diet. I didn't know. My body wasn't good good
Speaker 1: air quotes. You can't see me if you're doing audio.
Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't know my body wasn't good
Speaker 1: until people started to tell me that. And so for
Speaker 1: years and years of my life right now and thirty nine,
Speaker 1: I'm almost forty years old, and up until thirty seven years,
Speaker 1: every single year on my birthday and I blew up
Speaker 1: that candle. The thing that I wished for was to
Speaker 1: be skinny every year. I think that started probably about
Speaker 1: eleven twelve years old, and my thirty seventh birthday was
Speaker 1: the first year that I didn't ask for that, and
Speaker 1: that was after I started to work on me. I've
Speaker 1: lost large sums of weight in my life. I've lost
Speaker 1: eighty pounds, sixty five pounds, I lost a hundred and
Speaker 1: two pounds. And after I lost that a hundred two pounds,
Speaker 1: I felt the best that I had felt because people
Speaker 1: were telling me they were proud of me. They were
Speaker 1: telling me that I looked good, that I was in inspiration,
Speaker 1: and it just reinforced a belief in me that I'm
Speaker 1: better thinner, I'm more successful thinner, I'm more liked thinner
Speaker 1: when I look this way, I'm more approved or enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I'm better on people's palates. And then I got sick.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing that many of you listeners
Speaker 1: probably have experienced where you do things to look a
Speaker 1: certain way that caused you to experience health issues. And
Speaker 1: so I lost so much weight so fast, and I
Speaker 1: was starving myself, I was over exercising. I started to faint.
Speaker 1: I started to faint three to five days a week,
Speaker 1: and I had to go off work and I couldn't
Speaker 1: be a with my kids, and I had my driver's
Speaker 1: license taken away for nine months. And I started eating
Speaker 1: more food and I was told I couldn't exercise. So
Speaker 1: guess what happened. The weight that I lost came back,
Speaker 1: But what also came back was all of the weight
Speaker 1: of other people's opinions and the judgments. And so I
Speaker 1: actually ended up feeling like a failure. And I started
Speaker 1: feeling worse and worse and worse. And so when I
Speaker 1: started studying manifestation the power of the mind, I started
Speaker 1: examining some of these beliefs, and I thought, where did
Speaker 1: this belief come from? That thinner is better? And I
Speaker 1: noticed that the conversation wasn't about my health, but about
Speaker 1: how I looked. And I realized that all those times
Speaker 1: that I had done things like eating healthier foods or
Speaker 1: moving my body or drinking lots of water. Even drinking
Speaker 1: something like green tea was always to make me thinner,
Speaker 1: to look different, and it wasn't actually about my health.
Speaker 1: So I spent a solid four weeks um really examining
Speaker 1: that one belief of why did I think that life
Speaker 1: would be better if I was thinner? Where did that
Speaker 1: come from? And what if I believe that I could
Speaker 1: be successful now? And so successful means money, yeah, it
Speaker 1: means success in my business, yeah, but it also means
Speaker 1: successful relationships. It also means expressing myself fully in my
Speaker 1: life and not hiding anymore. What would that be like
Speaker 1: to not hide anymore and hide on social media per se,
Speaker 1: but also to hide my body. You know, I had
Speaker 1: worn big, baggy clothes for years to hide something that
Speaker 1: I was ashamed of. And so I just started examining
Speaker 1: all these things. And then I started to notice all
Speaker 1: the successful women in my life and around the world
Speaker 1: that you can see on social media that were plus size. Well,
Speaker 1: how did they do it? If this belief was real,
Speaker 1: then how is it that all of these other women
Speaker 1: are experiencing so much happiness, enjoying their life and they're
Speaker 1: in a bigger sized body And so I changed that
Speaker 1: belief and I started telling myself, I am beautiful now
Speaker 1: in the body that I am in, I am successful now,
Speaker 1: and I just kept moving with that feeling. So so
Speaker 1: today I'm talking to you, and I am like, officially
Speaker 1: probably the biggest sized body that I have been in,
Speaker 1: and I love myself more than I probably have. The
Speaker 1: last time I loved myself like this was probably when
Speaker 1: I was like three years old. To just live freely
Speaker 1: in your body without that constant energy being put forth
Speaker 1: to change and no shame, you know, this is the
Speaker 1: biggest thing that's gone now, Lisa is like, I have
Speaker 1: no shame about my body whatsoever. I'm actually really really
Speaker 1: proud of it, and I, um, I don't want want
Speaker 1: to look thinner, you know. I actually now ask myself, like,
Speaker 1: what's it like to be healthy? Huh? Like wouldn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be nice? I'm playing around with, like what are
Speaker 1: my healthy habits? Not to get thin, but just to
Speaker 1: take care of my vessel, you know, And that's a
Speaker 1: completely different conversation. It is a completely different conversation. And
Speaker 1: you know, as a nurse by training, I know you're
Speaker 1: not practicing right now. I think that's a really blurry
Speaker 1: place because health and medicine, you know, so much as
Speaker 1: rooted in weight. So as a health practitioner, what is
Speaker 1: it like to really take a look at that number
Speaker 1: and say I can be healthy now, because health is
Speaker 1: about my behaviors, not that number. Oh well, you know,
Speaker 1: I look back at my time in healthcare and I
Speaker 1: do notice some underlying biases that were in the health
Speaker 1: care system around people in bigger bodies, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's this feeling like, well, you're sick because of the
Speaker 1: choices that you made in your life. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's a place of judgment. And I think when we
Speaker 1: remove all judgments of ourselves and of others, we truly
Speaker 1: come from a place where we just care. We just
Speaker 1: care about you. It doesn't matter how you ended up here,
Speaker 1: but we want to help you get to where you
Speaker 1: want to go. Um. I think that is holistic care
Speaker 1: is like helping the entire individual achieve whatever their goals are.
Speaker 1: But health for me has to do with the things
Speaker 1: that I do on a daily basis and not how
Speaker 1: I look. You know, I read this beautiful article a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and it really talked about that people
Speaker 1: really think that you can see someone's health on the outside.
Speaker 1: You can see um what's going on inside just by
Speaker 1: seeing their outside. But we know and more and more
Speaker 1: evidence is just suggesting just how much of your daily
Speaker 1: habits are tied to the health of your body versus
Speaker 1: what you look like. And so there are people that
Speaker 1: you know to this day will continue to judge me.
Speaker 1: And I think that I'm doing things is to make
Speaker 1: myself bigger on purpose, so that I'm really unhealthy. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anymore because I'm over here instead of
Speaker 1: eating my emotions about the judgments that people make on me,
Speaker 1: I'm over here just walking every single day, drinking a
Speaker 1: lot of water, getting sunshine, and just existing in a
Speaker 1: beautiful way by my own choices. So it's clear that
Speaker 1: your your mental state has really become free and disentangled
Speaker 1: from the realities of this world. But you are a
Speaker 1: modern woman living in a modern world, and I assume
Speaker 1: you are faced with reminders that the world wasn't created
Speaker 1: for you. On my podcast, you mentioned shopping at retailers
Speaker 1: and only being able to buy their accessories. That hit
Speaker 1: me like a like a ton of bricks. Can you
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that for a second, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, as I start to become more successful and
Speaker 1: as I start to love myself more, I want to
Speaker 1: express myself more, Like I am starting to fall in
Speaker 1: love with fashion. I love to wear like different types
Speaker 1: of outfits and look different and wear color and different
Speaker 1: patterns and stuff. And so the desire is there, but
Speaker 1: the actual attainment of it isn't as easy because of
Speaker 1: the stores right now in their sizing. So not a
Speaker 1: lot of designer stores have bigger sizes, and if they do,
Speaker 1: you have to get it custom made, which is like
Speaker 1: two to three times more money. Uh. And and the
Speaker 1: average woman doesn't have to three times more money to
Speaker 1: custom design their entire wardrobe. Um. And then those stores
Speaker 1: that are having the bigger sizes come in the plus size.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll buy a two X or a three
Speaker 1: X and it's literally an XL. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not actually true to size or true to form to
Speaker 1: all women bodies. And so you know, there are moments
Speaker 1: where it can be frustrating for me. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to stay in the muck of that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be upset about that and allow frustration to
Speaker 1: become the dominant feeling. I want to say, Okay, what
Speaker 1: can I do to contribute to them shifting it. How
Speaker 1: can I actually like start to advocate a little bit
Speaker 1: more in that, and then how can I encourage the
Speaker 1: industry to change a little bit more. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really starting to play around with the idea of
Speaker 1: maybe designing my own clothes in inclusive sizing, and you know,
Speaker 1: inclusive sizing, but we don't want to just take a
Speaker 1: size zero and make it a size twenty two or
Speaker 1: twenty four because the body shape is very different. So
Speaker 1: we want to really make sure that the shapes can
Speaker 1: fit all different types of bodies and so not just
Speaker 1: a standard approach, but truly individual. And so I see
Speaker 1: it like that, there's headway. You know, the industry is changing,
Speaker 1: and we have some people that are very vocal that
Speaker 1: are changing the industry in a beautiful way. I think
Speaker 1: Lizzo right off the hop, what she's doing is so
Speaker 1: beautiful to bring awareness to body positivity. But I think
Speaker 1: we we still have a ways to go. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: what about in the medical setting when you're faced with
Speaker 1: your own doctor's appointments and just knowing the medical field,
Speaker 1: and a lot of our listeners have mentioned that when
Speaker 1: they go to the doctor, even though they're, you know,
Speaker 1: making peace with their own body, the doctor will tell
Speaker 1: them that they need to lose weight. Even if all
Speaker 1: their markers of health such as cholesterol and their blood
Speaker 1: work are totally fine. The doctors are telling them to
Speaker 1: lose weight. Is that something that you've faced and how
Speaker 1: do you deal with kind of that incongruence of your life? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is something that still comes up, for sure, and
Speaker 1: so the best way to approach that is by asking questions.
Speaker 1: You know, the more inquisitive that you are, and the
Speaker 1: more that you challenge some of these things. You don't
Speaker 1: have to argue with somebody, but ask a question, you know,
Speaker 1: just have them open their mind a little bit, loosen
Speaker 1: the model, so to speak. So they've gone through schooling
Speaker 1: that has taught them to tell you that, you know,
Speaker 1: it is something that they have learned. And so the
Speaker 1: only way to unlearned something is for us to just
Speaker 1: loosen that model a little bit and kind of plant
Speaker 1: to see to something else. So I would ask the question, then, Okay,
Speaker 1: so my blood work was good, right? Yeah? I exercise regularly.
Speaker 1: You know, I have good mobility and flexibility. You know,
Speaker 1: I drink water, every day, I'm eating a fairly nutritious diet,
Speaker 1: So why do I need to lose weight? You know,
Speaker 1: I would just go deeper um and ask the question,
Speaker 1: and then if they provide you with some sort of
Speaker 1: explanation about X y Z and x y Z, just
Speaker 1: ask for more and and then I always ask, but
Speaker 1: what if that's not the case? You know, what if
Speaker 1: that's not true? So they may say to you. I
Speaker 1: remember this when I was working in long term care,
Speaker 1: they did this lesson for us about how people who
Speaker 1: carry extra weight on their body are more likely to
Speaker 1: end up in a wheelchair or a walker ten years
Speaker 1: earlier than someone that isn't carrying extra weight on their body.
Speaker 1: And so they were generalizing to teach you a lesson
Speaker 1: right of the importance of being in a thinner body.
Speaker 1: And at that time I was like, that's pretty convincing.
Speaker 1: But now what I would actually say is, Okay, how
Speaker 1: many people have had extra weight on their body their
Speaker 1: entire lives and are in their nineties and they're not
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair or a walker. That's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. I want to see that possibility. I want
Speaker 1: to see that explanation instead of the opposite generalization. So
Speaker 1: I'm always, uh, I look on the bright side of
Speaker 1: all things that I see all the possibilities, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to take on somebody else's assumption of how
Speaker 1: my life might look, So I want to build that
Speaker 1: for myself. So being inquisitive and asking questions is key.
Speaker 1: That is such a great tip and something I've become
Speaker 1: really passionate about in the last two years has been
Speaker 1: really finding my voice in the health care space. Being
Speaker 1: married to a doctor and also just being a patient.
Speaker 1: I've really realized that as somebody who is confident and
Speaker 1: knows a lot about health and and is empowered when
Speaker 1: mean that that doctor's office chair, I oftentimes lose my voice.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm afraid to look stupid. I'm afraid to
Speaker 1: question their demeanor and offend them. But I think that
Speaker 1: like the tool, the specific tools that you just provided,
Speaker 1: is a great place to kind of have those words
Speaker 1: ready to jump out of your mouth. Because I've personally
Speaker 1: shut down in a doctor's office and I've never experienced
Speaker 1: wait stigma, so I can only imagine what it feels
Speaker 1: like to know you're being judged, to almost know what
Speaker 1: they're going to say, and you know, just lose yourself
Speaker 1: in that moment. So thank you for those amazing tools
Speaker 1: to really show us that we can use our voice,
Speaker 1: because we certainly should be advocating for ourselves. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like doctors learn A plus B equal see right,
Speaker 1: But what if there's more to that equation that they
Speaker 1: don't see? And being inquisitive is the best way to
Speaker 1: disarm somebody and open up the conversation much more broadly.
Speaker 1: So I think that's great, ad Ice. I really really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I think our listeners are probably like breathing
Speaker 1: deeply for the first time, hearing you speak, hopefully going
Speaker 1: to your page already, Kathleen Cameron, feeling the energy that
Speaker 1: you're exuding, watching you take up space, hearing it through
Speaker 1: your voice. And as great as that is, I want
Speaker 1: to know, do you have bad body image days when
Speaker 1: you put on a pair of pants that don't fit,
Speaker 1: or you walk into a store to try something on,
Speaker 1: you know, do those thoughts creep back in for you?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, it's something that is still more natural
Speaker 1: because it was where my thinking was set for so
Speaker 1: many years, you know, looking at myself in the mirror
Speaker 1: was where I observed the most self hate in myself.
Speaker 1: And so when I started this journey, you know, I
Speaker 1: like to use the term like, become an observer of
Speaker 1: your own thinking. It will tell you a lot about
Speaker 1: how you see you. And so I would get in
Speaker 1: front of the mirror and I would just listen to
Speaker 1: the things that I would be saying to myself in
Speaker 1: my head, you know, about my body. And I realized
Speaker 1: I would never say those things to my worst enemy.
Speaker 1: Why am I saying them to myself? You know, if
Speaker 1: my best friend called me and said all these nasty
Speaker 1: things about herself like that, I would be like, what
Speaker 1: do you do and stop that? You know that's not nice? Like,
Speaker 1: but I would do it to myself. And so that's
Speaker 1: the kind of the natural thing that happens. But I've
Speaker 1: now made the decision to fight against it because those
Speaker 1: are not my thoughts. Those are the thoughts of all
Speaker 1: of the people around me over the course of the
Speaker 1: thirty years that told me that I should look this
Speaker 1: way and that how I looked was bad. The magazines,
Speaker 1: social media, TV, doctors, family and friends that told me
Speaker 1: I needed to go on a diet. That's all their
Speaker 1: thoughts that I took on. And so now I'm a
Speaker 1: creator of my own thoughts. So I intentionally go in
Speaker 1: front of the mirror and I look at all the
Speaker 1: beautiful things that I see when I look. And it
Speaker 1: might have just been my eyes the color of my
Speaker 1: eyes that first time. But now I can actually look
Speaker 1: at some of the roles and be like, well, this
Speaker 1: role is actually beautiful and this role might actually in
Speaker 1: fact look sexy, could it be? You know? So like
Speaker 1: playing around with that idea too is really key. But
Speaker 1: it does come back to me in moments. But I
Speaker 1: notice those moments where it comes back, it's not coming
Speaker 1: from inside me, It's coming from outside me. So it's
Speaker 1: a post, it's a comment somebody makes on my post
Speaker 1: about how I should manifest a thinner body or something
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I should manifest some white loss.
Speaker 1: We manifest what we want, good sir. And at this
Speaker 1: moment in my life, I don't want to look any
Speaker 1: different than I look today because today looks good, you know.
Speaker 1: And so that's how I kind of address it. And
Speaker 1: things like going shopping. I feel it when I go shopping. Uh,
Speaker 1: And so I tell myself that the fashion world and
Speaker 1: it's just not up to speed yet, and there will
Speaker 1: be a day soon where I can shop anywhere in
Speaker 1: any place, and maybe it's a in my own clothes,
Speaker 1: you know, my own clothing line that I can be
Speaker 1: sporting everywhere. But I just make sure that there's no
Speaker 1: judgment coming from myself. When we judge ourselves and when
Speaker 1: we shame ourselves for the way that we look, we
Speaker 1: truly don't understand that we are not our bodies. We
Speaker 1: are in our bodies, and so the way our body
Speaker 1: looks does not define us, doesn't define our intelligence, it
Speaker 1: doesn't define our personality, and it doesn't define our worthiness.
Speaker 1: And so I know I'm a spiritual being in this body,
Speaker 1: and so I need to recognize and give myself grace
Speaker 1: and just know that I'm worthy to exist here and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I take up a little bit
Speaker 1: more space than someone else, that I deserve it just
Speaker 1: as much. Yeah, I think it's a great image for
Speaker 1: all of our listeners to take a moment, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think we all want to arrive at the place
Speaker 1: that Kathleen clearly is in. And if you're not there yet,
Speaker 1: you know that's okay. But imagine what it would be
Speaker 1: like to exist within your body rather than from outside
Speaker 1: of it, because that is a great description of although
Speaker 1: I've always occupied a thin body with my relationship to
Speaker 1: food and and disordered eating, That's exactly how I describe
Speaker 1: how I was. I was outside of my body, and
Speaker 1: now I'm within it. And when you are living from within,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you need when you need it.
Speaker 1: You want to take care of your vessel. Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I love that word vessel, and the lens
Speaker 1: of life is just vastly different. And and to hear
Speaker 1: somebody like Kathleen really say that, I hope reminds us
Speaker 1: that it's really possible, and not just possible, it's possible
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. Kathleen, What is it
Speaker 1: like to really see that your most successful business, your
Speaker 1: your these last two years came with accepting your body.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful, actually, and and it makes me feel
Speaker 1: really proud because I've done a lot of things in
Speaker 1: my life that I was proud of, but the pride
Speaker 1: came from outside. It was it was from making other
Speaker 1: people proud of me, which then made me have pride.
Speaker 1: This time, I have pride that I took something that
Speaker 1: made me you know, I saw my body as a
Speaker 1: liability for much of my life, and it made me
Speaker 1: feel inferior. I allowed it to be inferior and made
Speaker 1: me less than, and I took it and I made
Speaker 1: it my superpower. And so I have a post actually
Speaker 1: coming up. I think it's tomorrow. You'll you'll see how
Speaker 1: I truly believe that being plus sized in this body
Speaker 1: is now my superpower because I have overcome something that
Speaker 1: has made me so much stronger. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: not to say that this body might look different later
Speaker 1: in life. You know, I may come to a point
Speaker 1: where some weight is released, but it will be released
Speaker 1: because I choose for it to be released because of
Speaker 1: my own desires. And it's a desire to be healthy
Speaker 1: and nothing to do with looking a certain way about
Speaker 1: vanity or about beauty or about appearance, but truly coming
Speaker 1: from a desire to take care of myself. And so
Speaker 1: if that day comes, amazing and if not, amazing too,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just releasing all the expectations. And
Speaker 1: to have built an incredible business inspiring other women to
Speaker 1: love the bodies they're in now and create the life
Speaker 1: of their dreams is really really beautiful. And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm honored to have been given this platform to be honest,
Speaker 1: and I've just stepped right into it. And you'll you'll
Speaker 1: see more of that from me for sure as we
Speaker 1: go through. And by the time this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: that post, if it comes out tomorrow, will already be live,
Speaker 1: so you could head to Kathleen's page to read it
Speaker 1: and learn more about her. You know, Kathleen, I did
Speaker 1: tell you, um when you were a guest on my podcast,
Speaker 1: that I was going to read The Secret again, which
Speaker 1: I know is like the very basic intro to manifestation,
Speaker 1: but I was getting a lot of signs that I
Speaker 1: should get to know manifestation a little bit more. And
Speaker 1: I remember reading this book when I was much younger,
Speaker 1: before my spiritual journey had begun, and just kind of thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is, you know, complete bogus hoguage. I don't even
Speaker 1: understand it. So I did reread it and I have
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts about it. But the one takeaway
Speaker 1: that pertains to this conversation was having the realization that
Speaker 1: so many of our listeners, so many people in this space,
Speaker 1: are so focused on not wanting to diet, that they
Speaker 1: end up dieting. Does that make sense, And I realized
Speaker 1: in my own messaging that I'm contributing to this conversation
Speaker 1: and I don't want to anymore. So by calling myself
Speaker 1: an anti diet dietitian something that I've done for the
Speaker 1: last couple of years to kind of let people know
Speaker 1: I'm a safe space. I realized that so many people's
Speaker 1: headspace are circling. Their focus is more I don't want
Speaker 1: to diet. I don't want to diet that they die.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, totally, it totally makes sense.
Speaker 1: And you know how I I've gotten to plates where
Speaker 1: I'm from, moved the idea that something is bad. So
Speaker 1: if something is bad, it has a negative energy. It
Speaker 1: holds a negative energy. So when I go out and
Speaker 1: get an order of French fries, let's say, and I
Speaker 1: say this is bad, I shouldn't do this right now,
Speaker 1: I'm in a negative energy and so as I eat
Speaker 1: that food in the negative energy, it is more likely
Speaker 1: to then make me feel sluggish and for me to
Speaker 1: feel really thirsty from the salt afterwards, and maybe to
Speaker 1: feel some indigestion or some heartburn after eating it, maybe
Speaker 1: not be able to sleep, and then have thoughts of
Speaker 1: guilt as I go. So for me, it's about eating
Speaker 1: when I'm hungry. It's about eating what I want to eat,
Speaker 1: but being in an energy of this is fuel for
Speaker 1: my body right now, and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: So no more this is bad or this is good,
Speaker 1: or I should eat this and I should eat that.
Speaker 1: It's what would I love to eat? I actually have?
Speaker 1: This is so funny. I'm gonna tell you what my
Speaker 1: salad story. But I have hated salad my whole life.
Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, I had a babysitter
Speaker 1: who forced me to eat salt caesar salad. I sat
Speaker 1: at the table for hours. I couldn't do it. I
Speaker 1: was like gagging on it. So I have not been
Speaker 1: able to eat salad my whole life. So this year
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, you know, people eat salads in
Speaker 1: front of me, and I think that looks good, but
Speaker 1: I can't eat it. I don't like it. And I thought,
Speaker 1: what would I love? I would love to like salad.
Speaker 1: I would not because I think salad is gonna help
Speaker 1: me lose weight, not because I think it's good for you,
Speaker 1: but because I just have a desire to eat a salad.
Speaker 1: It just looks really fresh and good, and so I
Speaker 1: told myself that I like salad over and over again.
Speaker 1: And then I went to dinner and my sister ordered
Speaker 1: a caesar salad and I said, let me try and
Speaker 1: buy to that, and she was like what I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I might like it now, and I tried
Speaker 1: to buy it and I was like, that's good. I
Speaker 1: think I might like that. So then the next time
Speaker 1: I went out for dinner, I got a caesar salad.
Speaker 1: I only ate about a third of it because it
Speaker 1: took me a little while to adjust. But now I
Speaker 1: love salad. It is like delicious, and so I actually
Speaker 1: feel like I go out and when I order a
Speaker 1: salad for lunch or for dinner, I feel so great.
Speaker 1: Not because I'm eating a salad to lose some weight,
Speaker 1: but because I love salad. I love this story so much.
Speaker 1: So many people in this space when they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to quit dieting. I want to be body positive.
Speaker 1: I've had people ask me I want to wear a
Speaker 1: one piece bathing suit, but is that not being body positive?
Speaker 1: Like do I need to wear the bikini? Because you know,
Speaker 1: give an f you to to diet culture and reading
Speaker 1: the book, it occurred to me to your same point
Speaker 1: here is like there is no good or bad. There's
Speaker 1: no bikini is good, one piece is bad. There's only
Speaker 1: what will be good for you and what makes you
Speaker 1: feel good from the inside out. And I had changed
Speaker 1: my bio to say mind body dietitian awhile ago, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't put the reasoning and words to use. But
Speaker 1: it was like, anti diet is negative. If we speak
Speaker 1: so much about what we're not, we are not what
Speaker 1: we are. And I think that that sorry to kind
Speaker 1: of go back there for a second, but I just
Speaker 1: want our listeners to know that when we focus so
Speaker 1: hard on on not doing something, we do it. So
Speaker 1: if you focus so hard on what you do want
Speaker 1: to do, that becomes it. And that was my huge
Speaker 1: takeaway from the book and from from your work and
Speaker 1: all of that. And it's funny because my story regarding
Speaker 1: making peace with food also involves a salad and two
Speaker 1: similar vein. It was this idea that I needed to
Speaker 1: have a salad every you know, Monday after I had
Speaker 1: a weekend of you know, more gluttony and indulgent foods,
Speaker 1: and then one day I woke up on a Monday
Speaker 1: after like actually listening to my body all weekend and
Speaker 1: I was like, I want a salad. This is not
Speaker 1: and I have to I was like, my body is
Speaker 1: craving a salad. And that's when I realized that our
Speaker 1: bodies can be trusted and that salad, you know, can
Speaker 1: be consumed for reasons other than punishments, right, Like we
Speaker 1: cant peace with food and flavor and enjoy it when
Speaker 1: we take away this idea that they need to be
Speaker 1: consumed for body manipulation as it was kind of initially
Speaker 1: served to you in that negative way. Totally, And I
Speaker 1: think the key messages with anything in life when it
Speaker 1: comes to your diet or how you move your body,
Speaker 1: or the fluids that you drink, even the way that
Speaker 1: you interact in relationships or in your business. What if
Speaker 1: you took the judgment away out of it all. So
Speaker 1: nothing is good or bad until you give it meaning,
Speaker 1: and so take away the meaning and you free yourself completely.
Speaker 1: The experience is only what it is based on your perception,
Speaker 1: and so change your perception and just change your whole
Speaker 1: entire life. So I wouldn't even be able to define
Speaker 1: how I am right now when it comes to body
Speaker 1: positivity or activist or advocate or whatever. I'm Kathleen Cameron
Speaker 1: and the body she's in right now. Just absolutely loving
Speaker 1: everything about my life, my body, my impact, and the
Speaker 1: things that I put into my body and the way
Speaker 1: I move my body. And it doesn't matter what anybody
Speaker 1: else thinks but me beautiful. And I just want to
Speaker 1: quickly end with one of your Instagram posts that says,
Speaker 1: stop fighting it, stop debating its truth. Just stop and
Speaker 1: allow it all to come. Believe in your own conviction
Speaker 1: and it will come. If you want to be free,
Speaker 1: stop thinking restriction. If you want to be healed, thank wholeness.
Speaker 1: If you want more good in your life, embody the
Speaker 1: good all around you. If you want more joy, you
Speaker 1: must first experience all the joy that is available to you.
Speaker 1: You cannot draw love into your consciousness through hate. You
Speaker 1: cannot see beauty through ugliness in or here harmony while
Speaker 1: your ears are filled with discord. And I think that
Speaker 1: kind of just sums up who you are and the
Speaker 1: work that you've done and the work that you are
Speaker 1: doing in the world. So thank you for your impact,
Speaker 1: Thank you for living your most honest life and really
Speaker 1: showing us that a life free of dieting outweighs at all.
Speaker 1: It really does. Thanks for having me. Of course, we'll
Speaker 1: put all of Kathleen's information below so you can check
Speaker 1: out her work, her website, her amazing Instagram platform. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this is an energy that we all want to be
Speaker 1: around so we can continue to attract the life that
Speaker 1: we deserve. Yes, absolutely, thank you, Thank you,