WEBVTT - Success at ANY Size Ft. @kathleencameron 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.880 I won't let my body out outweigh everything that I'm made, 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.280 won't spend my life trying to change. I'm learning to 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.720 love who I am. I get I'm strong, I feel free, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:19.560 I know who every part of me. It's beautiful and 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.560 then will always out way if you feel it with 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.680 your hands in here, she'll some love to the boom. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.120 I get that. Let's say, good day at time? Did 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:37.360 you even die out? Welcome back outweigh fam Lisa here 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.120 and I'm here with the amazing Kathleen Cameron. Welcome Kathleen. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.440 Thank you so happy to be here. If you missed it, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.480 I had Kathleen on my podcast The Truthius Life, and 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:53.239 we talked all about how this woman made fifteen million 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.120 dollars in two years. You heard that right, fifteen million 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.440 in two years. And best of all, she did it 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.919 by helping other women up level and live their best lives. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.440 So she is a woman that is is helping all 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.679 of us, and her story of how she did that 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.199 is really incredible. So I'll link that in the show 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.120 notes below. And Kathleen, does that feel like an okay 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.520 intro for you? Yes, that's a beautiful intro. You know 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.480 the thing that really makes it so special is that 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.200 there's nothing special about me. And so as you hear that, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.040 you're going to think, oh, there, there's something she's got 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.360 this like crazy education that taught her how to run 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.000 a business. No, I'm a registered nurse by background who 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.800 decided I wanted to live an extraordinary life. And here 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.920 I am creating a right before my eyes. So anybody 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.600 can do anything. And hopefully that's the message you'll get today. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.679 And you know, that's that's kind of our audience. You know, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.440 we do have people that are nurses and every day, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.360 you know, people that are going to work every day 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.920 and working really hard and feeling just stuck in so 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.120 many ways. And the reason I wanted to bring Kathleen 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.160 on Out Way. We talked a little bit of my 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.160 podcast about it, but I wanted to save it for 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:07.440 Outweigh is because Kathleen mentioned that she's been dieting and 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.240 struggling with her weight her entire life. And it was 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.000 the same time that she healed that that she also 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.360 leaped forward in her business. So what is your relationship 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.320 to your body and food and how long did that 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.960 go on for? Oh my gosh, I have a book 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.760 that I actually wrote a little bit about the transformation 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.200 process in my perspective or perception of my body, you know, 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.240 and the path that I took to retrain myself to 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.720 see myself differently. But in that book I talked about, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.840 you know, the first time that I started to starve 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.400 myself was when I was in grade seven, so like, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.400 what's that twelve years old. I remember somebody told me 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.480 if you drink a lot of water, it will flush 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.800 the fat out, and that you know, you eat an 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.400 apple a day and you'll lose right, And so every 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.560 single day would throw my lunch out and I drink 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.680 water all day every day, and out of the bathroom 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.480 all day, and then I would eat one apple during 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.400 the day, and you know, I started to lose weight, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.600 and then I started to feel a little bit better 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.600 about myself. But then I stopped doing that, and it 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.120 just kind of reinforced this thing my whole life of 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.160 just not having an ideal body. And I remember the 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.600 first time, actually somebody told me that I shouldn't want 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.919 to diet. I didn't know. My body wasn't good good 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.360 air quotes. You can't see me if you're doing audio. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.679 But you know, I didn't know my body wasn't good 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.520 until people started to tell me that. And so for 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.440 years and years of my life right now and thirty nine, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.280 I'm almost forty years old, and up until thirty seven years, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.960 every single year on my birthday and I blew up 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.120 that candle. The thing that I wished for was to 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.000 be skinny every year. I think that started probably about 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.720 eleven twelve years old, and my thirty seventh birthday was 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.760 the first year that I didn't ask for that, and 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.920 that was after I started to work on me. I've 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.120 lost large sums of weight in my life. I've lost 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.640 eighty pounds, sixty five pounds, I lost a hundred and 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.240 two pounds. And after I lost that a hundred two pounds, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.760 I felt the best that I had felt because people 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.120 were telling me they were proud of me. They were 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.640 telling me that I looked good, that I was in inspiration, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.479 and it just reinforced a belief in me that I'm 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.960 better thinner, I'm more successful thinner, I'm more liked thinner 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:33.200 when I look this way, I'm more approved or enjoyed. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.400 I'm better on people's palates. And then I got sick. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.719 So this is the thing that many of you listeners 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.240 probably have experienced where you do things to look a 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.360 certain way that caused you to experience health issues. And 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.800 so I lost so much weight so fast, and I 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.480 was starving myself, I was over exercising. I started to faint. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.640 I started to faint three to five days a week, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.679 and I had to go off work and I couldn't 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.840 be a with my kids, and I had my driver's 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.679 license taken away for nine months. And I started eating 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.919 more food and I was told I couldn't exercise. So 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.640 guess what happened. The weight that I lost came back, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.880 But what also came back was all of the weight 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.760 of other people's opinions and the judgments. And so I 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.600 actually ended up feeling like a failure. And I started 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.560 feeling worse and worse and worse. And so when I 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.600 started studying manifestation the power of the mind, I started 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.640 examining some of these beliefs, and I thought, where did 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.800 this belief come from? That thinner is better? And I 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.920 noticed that the conversation wasn't about my health, but about 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.279 how I looked. And I realized that all those times 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.039 that I had done things like eating healthier foods or 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.160 moving my body or drinking lots of water. Even drinking 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.279 something like green tea was always to make me thinner, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:04.080 to look different, and it wasn't actually about my health. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:10.760 So I spent a solid four weeks um really examining 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.280 that one belief of why did I think that life 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.039 would be better if I was thinner? Where did that 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.799 come from? And what if I believe that I could 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:24.480 be successful now? And so successful means money, yeah, it 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.560 means success in my business, yeah, but it also means 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.880 successful relationships. It also means expressing myself fully in my 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.680 life and not hiding anymore. What would that be like 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.800 to not hide anymore and hide on social media per se, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.400 but also to hide my body. You know, I had 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.240 worn big, baggy clothes for years to hide something that 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.240 I was ashamed of. And so I just started examining 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.120 all these things. And then I started to notice all 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.200 the successful women in my life and around the world 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.240 that you can see on social media that were plus size. Well, 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.159 how did they do it? If this belief was real, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.000 then how is it that all of these other women 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.080 are experiencing so much happiness, enjoying their life and they're 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.760 in a bigger sized body And so I changed that 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.840 belief and I started telling myself, I am beautiful now 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.560 in the body that I am in, I am successful now, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.560 and I just kept moving with that feeling. So so 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.200 today I'm talking to you, and I am like, officially 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.880 probably the biggest sized body that I have been in, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.440 and I love myself more than I probably have. The 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.560 last time I loved myself like this was probably when 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.120 I was like three years old. To just live freely 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.920 in your body without that constant energy being put forth 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.480 to change and no shame, you know, this is the 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.720 biggest thing that's gone now, Lisa is like, I have 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.840 no shame about my body whatsoever. I'm actually really really 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.200 proud of it, and I, um, I don't want want 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.440 to look thinner, you know. I actually now ask myself, like, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:09.200 what's it like to be healthy? Huh? Like wouldn't wouldn't 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.240 that be nice? I'm playing around with, like what are 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.120 my healthy habits? Not to get thin, but just to 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.680 take care of my vessel, you know, And that's a 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.640 completely different conversation. It is a completely different conversation. And 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.040 you know, as a nurse by training, I know you're 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.560 not practicing right now. I think that's a really blurry 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.320 place because health and medicine, you know, so much as 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.640 rooted in weight. So as a health practitioner, what is 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.600 it like to really take a look at that number 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.520 and say I can be healthy now, because health is 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:45.720 about my behaviors, not that number. Oh well, you know, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.360 I look back at my time in healthcare and I 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.800 do notice some underlying biases that were in the health 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.360 care system around people in bigger bodies, and you know, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.280 it's this feeling like, well, you're sick because of the 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.960 choices that you made in your life. And that's you know, 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.560 that's a place of judgment. And I think when we 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.199 remove all judgments of ourselves and of others, we truly 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.200 come from a place where we just care. We just 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.280 care about you. It doesn't matter how you ended up here, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.600 but we want to help you get to where you 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.880 want to go. Um. I think that is holistic care 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:24.040 is like helping the entire individual achieve whatever their goals are. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.800 But health for me has to do with the things 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.800 that I do on a daily basis and not how 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.800 I look. You know, I read this beautiful article a 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.520 few weeks ago, and it really talked about that people 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.040 really think that you can see someone's health on the outside. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.839 You can see um what's going on inside just by 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.960 seeing their outside. But we know and more and more 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.840 evidence is just suggesting just how much of your daily 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.720 habits are tied to the health of your body versus 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.480 what you look like. And so there are people that 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.200 you know to this day will continue to judge me. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.320 And I think that I'm doing things is to make 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.240 myself bigger on purpose, so that I'm really unhealthy. But 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.560 it doesn't matter anymore because I'm over here instead of 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.040 eating my emotions about the judgments that people make on me, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.720 I'm over here just walking every single day, drinking a 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.120 lot of water, getting sunshine, and just existing in a 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:28.240 beautiful way by my own choices. So it's clear that 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.479 your your mental state has really become free and disentangled 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:37.040 from the realities of this world. But you are a 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.240 modern woman living in a modern world, and I assume 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.520 you are faced with reminders that the world wasn't created 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.640 for you. On my podcast, you mentioned shopping at retailers 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.040 and only being able to buy their accessories. That hit 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.920 me like a like a ton of bricks. Can you 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.800 talk a little bit about that for a second, Yes, yes, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.720 you know, as I start to become more successful and 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.360 as I start to love myself more, I want to 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.920 express myself more, Like I am starting to fall in 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:10.000 love with fashion. I love to wear like different types 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.560 of outfits and look different and wear color and different 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.280 patterns and stuff. And so the desire is there, but 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.360 the actual attainment of it isn't as easy because of 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.320 the stores right now in their sizing. So not a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.240 lot of designer stores have bigger sizes, and if they do, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.080 you have to get it custom made, which is like 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.480 two to three times more money. Uh. And and the 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.840 average woman doesn't have to three times more money to 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.040 custom design their entire wardrobe. Um. And then those stores 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.680 that are having the bigger sizes come in the plus size. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.040 You know, you'll buy a two X or a three 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.960 X and it's literally an XL. You know, it's it's 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.000 not actually true to size or true to form to 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.160 all women bodies. And so you know, there are moments 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.480 where it can be frustrating for me. But I don't 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.880 want to stay in the muck of that. I don't 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.600 want to be upset about that and allow frustration to 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.240 become the dominant feeling. I want to say, Okay, what 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.240 can I do to contribute to them shifting it. How 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.600 can I actually like start to advocate a little bit 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.600 more in that, and then how can I encourage the 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.080 industry to change a little bit more. So, you know, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.480 I'm really starting to play around with the idea of 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:24.480 maybe designing my own clothes in inclusive sizing, and you know, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.120 inclusive sizing, but we don't want to just take a 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.800 size zero and make it a size twenty two or 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.480 twenty four because the body shape is very different. So 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.480 we want to really make sure that the shapes can 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.200 fit all different types of bodies and so not just 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.960 a standard approach, but truly individual. And so I see 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.400 it like that, there's headway. You know, the industry is changing, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.160 and we have some people that are very vocal that 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.040 are changing the industry in a beautiful way. I think 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.000 Lizzo right off the hop, what she's doing is so 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.320 beautiful to bring awareness to body positivity. But I think 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.120 we we still have a ways to go. Yeah, and 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.679 what about in the medical setting when you're faced with 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.280 your own doctor's appointments and just knowing the medical field, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.719 and a lot of our listeners have mentioned that when 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.800 they go to the doctor, even though they're, you know, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.280 making peace with their own body, the doctor will tell 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.240 them that they need to lose weight. Even if all 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.040 their markers of health such as cholesterol and their blood 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.920 work are totally fine. The doctors are telling them to 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.760 lose weight. Is that something that you've faced and how 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:30.880 do you deal with kind of that incongruence of your life? Yeah, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.640 it is something that still comes up, for sure, and 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.880 so the best way to approach that is by asking questions. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.160 You know, the more inquisitive that you are, and the 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.040 more that you challenge some of these things. You don't 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.480 have to argue with somebody, but ask a question, you know, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.280 just have them open their mind a little bit, loosen 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.199 the model, so to speak. So they've gone through schooling 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.640 that has taught them to tell you that, you know, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.240 it is something that they have learned. And so the 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.400 only way to unlearned something is for us to just 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.040 loosen that model a little bit and kind of plant 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.439 to see to something else. So I would ask the question, then, Okay, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.840 so my blood work was good, right? Yeah? I exercise regularly. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.680 You know, I have good mobility and flexibility. You know, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.000 I drink water, every day, I'm eating a fairly nutritious diet, 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.520 So why do I need to lose weight? You know, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.560 I would just go deeper um and ask the question, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.280 and then if they provide you with some sort of 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.920 explanation about X y Z and x y Z, just 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.800 ask for more and and then I always ask, but 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.200 what if that's not the case? You know, what if 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.960 that's not true? So they may say to you. I 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.080 remember this when I was working in long term care, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.480 they did this lesson for us about how people who 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.440 carry extra weight on their body are more likely to 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.560 end up in a wheelchair or a walker ten years 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.120 earlier than someone that isn't carrying extra weight on their body. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.560 And so they were generalizing to teach you a lesson 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.840 right of the importance of being in a thinner body. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.360 And at that time I was like, that's pretty convincing. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.280 But now what I would actually say is, Okay, how 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.320 many people have had extra weight on their body their 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.960 entire lives and are in their nineties and they're not 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.840 in a wheelchair or a walker. That's what I want 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.440 to know. I want to see that possibility. I want 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.960 to see that explanation instead of the opposite generalization. So 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.320 I'm always, uh, I look on the bright side of 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.560 all things that I see all the possibilities, and I 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.840 don't want to take on somebody else's assumption of how 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.120 my life might look, So I want to build that 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.040 for myself. So being inquisitive and asking questions is key. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.480 That is such a great tip and something I've become 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.600 really passionate about in the last two years has been 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.040 really finding my voice in the health care space. Being 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.360 married to a doctor and also just being a patient. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.320 I've really realized that as somebody who is confident and 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.880 knows a lot about health and and is empowered when 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.200 mean that that doctor's office chair, I oftentimes lose my voice. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.240 You know. I'm afraid to look stupid. I'm afraid to 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:11.160 question their demeanor and offend them. But I think that 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.960 like the tool, the specific tools that you just provided, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.040 is a great place to kind of have those words 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.760 ready to jump out of your mouth. Because I've personally 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.600 shut down in a doctor's office and I've never experienced 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.400 wait stigma, so I can only imagine what it feels 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.880 like to know you're being judged, to almost know what 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.600 they're going to say, and you know, just lose yourself 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.880 in that moment. So thank you for those amazing tools 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.280 to really show us that we can use our voice, 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.520 because we certainly should be advocating for ourselves. And that's 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.040 the thing, Like doctors learn A plus B equal see right, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.520 But what if there's more to that equation that they 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.600 don't see? And being inquisitive is the best way to 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.720 disarm somebody and open up the conversation much more broadly. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.960 So I think that's great, ad Ice. I really really 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:10.600 appreciate that. I think our listeners are probably like breathing 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.440 deeply for the first time, hearing you speak, hopefully going 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.679 to your page already, Kathleen Cameron, feeling the energy that 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.400 you're exuding, watching you take up space, hearing it through 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.320 your voice. And as great as that is, I want 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.960 to know, do you have bad body image days when 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.560 you put on a pair of pants that don't fit, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.720 or you walk into a store to try something on, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.480 you know, do those thoughts creep back in for you? 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:39.520 Oh gosh, yes, it's something that is still more natural 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.880 because it was where my thinking was set for so 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.280 many years, you know, looking at myself in the mirror 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:52.080 was where I observed the most self hate in myself. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.439 And so when I started this journey, you know, I 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.199 like to use the term like, become an observer of 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.639 your own thinking. It will tell you a lot about 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.719 how you see you. And so I would get in 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.320 front of the mirror and I would just listen to 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.480 the things that I would be saying to myself in 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.879 my head, you know, about my body. And I realized 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.440 I would never say those things to my worst enemy. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.800 Why am I saying them to myself? You know, if 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.840 my best friend called me and said all these nasty 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.800 things about herself like that, I would be like, what 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.239 do you do and stop that? You know that's not nice? Like, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.679 but I would do it to myself. And so that's 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.160 the kind of the natural thing that happens. But I've 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.840 now made the decision to fight against it because those 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.879 are not my thoughts. Those are the thoughts of all 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.760 of the people around me over the course of the 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.120 thirty years that told me that I should look this 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.840 way and that how I looked was bad. The magazines, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.000 social media, TV, doctors, family and friends that told me 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.720 I needed to go on a diet. That's all their 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.520 thoughts that I took on. And so now I'm a 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.679 creator of my own thoughts. So I intentionally go in 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.560 front of the mirror and I look at all the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.600 beautiful things that I see when I look. And it 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.000 might have just been my eyes the color of my 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.920 eyes that first time. But now I can actually look 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.200 at some of the roles and be like, well, this 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.159 role is actually beautiful and this role might actually in 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:14.439 fact look sexy, could it be? You know? So like 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.560 playing around with that idea too is really key. But 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.119 it does come back to me in moments. But I 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.760 notice those moments where it comes back, it's not coming 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.880 from inside me, It's coming from outside me. So it's 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.280 a post, it's a comment somebody makes on my post 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.000 about how I should manifest a thinner body or something 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.040 like that. You know, I should manifest some white loss. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.439 We manifest what we want, good sir. And at this 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.000 moment in my life, I don't want to look any 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.240 different than I look today because today looks good, you know. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.600 And so that's how I kind of address it. And 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.240 things like going shopping. I feel it when I go shopping. Uh, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.159 And so I tell myself that the fashion world and 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.720 it's just not up to speed yet, and there will 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.560 be a day soon where I can shop anywhere in 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.080 any place, and maybe it's a in my own clothes, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.280 you know, my own clothing line that I can be 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.000 sporting everywhere. But I just make sure that there's no 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.040 judgment coming from myself. When we judge ourselves and when 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.879 we shame ourselves for the way that we look, we 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.879 truly don't understand that we are not our bodies. We 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.800 are in our bodies, and so the way our body 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.439 looks does not define us, doesn't define our intelligence, it 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.119 doesn't define our personality, and it doesn't define our worthiness. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.080 And so I know I'm a spiritual being in this body, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.400 and so I need to recognize and give myself grace 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.600 and just know that I'm worthy to exist here and 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.400 it doesn't matter if I take up a little bit 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.119 more space than someone else, that I deserve it just 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.600 as much. Yeah, I think it's a great image for 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.399 all of our listeners to take a moment, and you know, 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.160 I think we all want to arrive at the place 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.480 that Kathleen clearly is in. And if you're not there yet, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.040 you know that's okay. But imagine what it would be 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.600 like to exist within your body rather than from outside 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.480 of it, because that is a great description of although 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.800 I've always occupied a thin body with my relationship to 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.040 food and and disordered eating, That's exactly how I describe 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.719 how I was. I was outside of my body, and 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.520 now I'm within it. And when you are living from within, 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.040 you know exactly what you need when you need it. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.879 You want to take care of your vessel. Like you 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.800 mentioned earlier, I love that word vessel, and the lens 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.720 of life is just vastly different. And and to hear 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.359 somebody like Kathleen really say that, I hope reminds us 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.240 that it's really possible, and not just possible, it's possible 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.040 in a short amount of time. Kathleen, What is it 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:45.280 like to really see that your most successful business, your 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.600 your these last two years came with accepting your body. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.639 It's really beautiful, actually, and and it makes me feel 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.800 really proud because I've done a lot of things in 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.840 my life that I was proud of, but the pride 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.879 came from outside. It was it was from making other 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.640