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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. It is Tuesday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Snowy Tuesday. Wake up to some snow. Yeah yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was snow during the show yesterday, but it didn't really

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Speaker 1: start to stick. And then wake up this morning and

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Speaker 1: it's covering the grounds.

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Speaker 2: Covering the ground. Yeah. My sixteen year old he's like,

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Speaker 2: I have to he's a new driver. Do I have

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Speaker 2: to drive any different in the snow. I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 2: don't just fly around the corners like you do. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to have a little talk. Yeah right, that's

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Speaker 2: what seasons are changing.

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Speaker 1: So my birthday comes November twentieth, and back when I

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Speaker 1: was a teenager in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: So you're young for your grade. Yeah yeah, yeah, very.

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Speaker 1: I was still sixteen when I was a senior in

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Speaker 1: high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I turned seventeen or seventeen. Well, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: still sixteen because I turned seventeen my senior year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I turned all your bodies that license. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were in the class behind me. You had, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, so I turned sixteen November twentieth. Back then,

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Speaker 1: you could get your license right away. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: that waiting period. Yeah, me and my parents because I

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Speaker 1: lived north of A eighty at the time. Why does

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Speaker 1: that matter because we always had snow.

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Speaker 2: Oh I thought there was different rules up there or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, rules, but we always had snow, always had snow,

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Speaker 1: always had snow. And my parents were like, you're not

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Speaker 1: getting your license until spring.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense, I mean I could see that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: a new driver is hard enough as it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: now they have to wait six months until.

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Speaker 1: Like we used to, like again north of A eighty,

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Speaker 1: you'd measure the snow by feet, not oh sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were in the snow belt and you know it

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Speaker 1: just that's just the way it was.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, though, Yeah, I mean kind of sucked.

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Speaker 2: I think I've said this on the air, but I

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Speaker 2: mean I spent almost all my life in Pittsburgh, and

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Speaker 2: when I got the Akron and then Brown's job, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: but there's the same not even close.

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Speaker 1: It's so bad. So I started college at Pit Pit

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Speaker 1: Titusville before going to Upga UPJ got some serious snow

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Speaker 1: though they always got up in the mountains. So I

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Speaker 1: still had a job in oil City. I worked at

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Speaker 1: the Giant Eagle in oil City because that was that

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Speaker 1: was about twenty minutes from from where I grew up at.

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Speaker 1: But it was also about twenty minutes from Titusville, so

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Speaker 1: I could keep the job school. Yeah, and in Titusville

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Speaker 1: the snow. The difference in snow and Titusville the Oil City.

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Speaker 2: How far is that drive? Just talk minutes about.

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Speaker 1: Twenty minutes about it's about twenty miles straight up out

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Speaker 1: Route eighteen. Yeah, and Rout eight or eighteen whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember now. I think it's eight. Anyways, we

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Speaker 1: would get some snow in Titusville, which is down in

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Speaker 1: the valley, and the snow would the clouds would just

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Speaker 1: there were times a couple of times I called in,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, look, I don't have a snowshovel.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm in college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in my.

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Speaker 1: Car, like the snow claws would come through and you'd have,

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Speaker 1: you know, six feet of snow plot up beside your car.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't get out of here. Like we

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Speaker 2: I hear you, Johnstound was fun because sometimes you'll just

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Speaker 2: be insane snowdrifts and stick a keg in it or whatever,

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Speaker 2: you know, and making a party with the fraternity brother

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Speaker 2: Yeah whoever throw them out the window. But man, I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget that year at the Browns. James was a

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Speaker 2: good buddy of mine. He was from Atlanta, North as

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Speaker 2: he ever got with basically Duke where he was a

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Speaker 2: defensive end, great guy, but it had never really been

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Speaker 2: there were probably twenty mornings where we both got up

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Speaker 2: and couldn't tell what car was watched. Oh yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: there were just bumps. You didn't know which cars were which.

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Speaker 2: And I've never seen many humans more petrified. He's like,

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Speaker 2: I got to get to the office from here, like

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Speaker 2: scared to death, and like I don't even know where

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Speaker 2: he was petrified to death. But it was overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: I had been at the Observer Reporter in Washington. I

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Speaker 2: I remember it was. I was at upg at the time,

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Speaker 2: but home, and it was one of the best parties

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Speaker 2: of my life because we were all at this one

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what happened to us. So I had to cover.

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Speaker 1: I lived, I was. I got my first apartment when

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Speaker 1: I came down here, out by Claysville.

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Speaker 2: I lived.

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Speaker 1: It was on a sheep farm I had. There was

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Speaker 1: a little house on the sheep farm and it was

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Speaker 1: like just a little on your road, no, And it

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Speaker 1: I it's you know, fully furnished. I didn't have to

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Speaker 1: do it, you know, for you. Yeah, it's perfect. I'm

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Speaker 1: It was a It was a wrestling tournament at Trinity

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Speaker 1: from the newspaper building and vice ursa. But the school

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Speaker 1: at the wrestling match all day long. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: an all day of most wrestling matches. Yeah, these things

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Speaker 2: You know, it's an individual tournament.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was snowing outside, but I hadn't gone outside.

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Speaker 1: I come out of there and there's like a foot

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Speaker 1: Took it took me twenty minutes to get down to

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Speaker 1: I parked, went inside, wrote, I come back out. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: going in. They're not plowing anything. They're doing nothing. It's

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Speaker 1: like a it's a Friday night. No, there's no school

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Speaker 1: the next day. So yeah, people had if I were

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Speaker 1: staying there were they took some of the wrestlers. They

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Speaker 2: Wow, they caught them to the tournament.

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Speaker 1: At the tournament, everybody who was working that night at

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Speaker 1: mind you again, I'm I'm at the paper maybe three

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? This is what we always do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we had I mean, we played bubble hockey

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure the sheep farm had so much snow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was back in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so not quite like that today, No on that avenue,

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Speaker 1: It seems like when we get snow here, though, we

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Speaker 1: but that was the norm, you know, north of I eighty.

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Speaker 2: So we've told a up for that. Yeah, upj was

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Speaker 2: a good snow belt, no doubt. We were just telling

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Speaker 2: the car to the front door of the new building. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we were just chatting with some folks from DV talking

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Speaker 2: about Man that wind and.

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Speaker 1: It's up here on the top of the mountain.

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Speaker 2: Brutal. Yeah, it's a short walk, but it's brutal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, we should probably talk some football here, not

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Speaker 1: the way things are going. Uh So, so we have

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Speaker 1: some practice news and stuff though, we do so. The Steelers,

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Speaker 1: of course, had their first practice today and uh not practicing.

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Speaker 1: We're safety Trent and Thompson with that neck issue. Wow,

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Speaker 1: running back Naugy Harris with that knee that's a shin

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Speaker 2: Remember, folks, they play Saturday. This is a little different

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Speaker 2: than usual. But yeah, usually they wouldn't be practicing Tuesday all.

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Speaker 2: But MIKEA.

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick with the knee, we already know he's out this week.

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Speaker 1: And then Isaac Sayamala with the shoulder that's been kind

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Speaker 1: of he didn't practice at all.

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Speaker 2: Last week at all.

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Speaker 1: Last week limited today Cam Hayward with a concussion, So

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Speaker 1: that's a good sign.

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Speaker 2: Step one.

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Speaker 1: That's step one good, or step three as it were

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Speaker 1: in a five step process. Pat Fryarmouth with a knee

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Speaker 1: Riley had his practice, he started practicing today. He's important,

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Speaker 1: all this all of a sudden. He yeah, takes on

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Speaker 1: some importance here. So they would have twenty one days

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Speaker 1: to activate him. I would expect that to probably. If

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Speaker 1: they're going to bring him up and reactivate him, that

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Speaker 1: would probably happen on Friday. So if it doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: before that, don't panic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he will best important, Uh, all things considered.

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Speaker 1: And then one can he Pickett limited today?

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Speaker 2: That's great? I mean if he doesn't play in this game,

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Speaker 2: you're going to see him again. Yeah. So sure sounds

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Speaker 2: like and maybe even this week. That's tremendous. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I am curious to give Rudolph a whole game, but

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Speaker 2: I'd much rather see Picket out there, I mean, just

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Speaker 2: for evaluation purposes and give you a better chance to

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Speaker 2: win all those things.

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Speaker 1: Could you see a scenario where let's Let's say it's

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Speaker 1: sixteen thirteen going into the.

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Speaker 2: Fourth quarter and the White Stallion comes out Picket.

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Speaker 1: Pickett comes out Picket all of a sudden, he's the

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Speaker 1: number two quarterback in this game, and he comes out

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Speaker 1: and just take.

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Speaker 2: Someone's warming up on the other sidelines, maybe especially with

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Speaker 2: a strong little Willis Reid. Actually yeah, yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So that's where the Steelers are at.

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Speaker 2: Right, here's a chance to start.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Tomlin didn't roll it out, he says.

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Speaker 1: I specifically asked him. I said, what do you need

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Speaker 1: to see from from Picket for him to play this week? A?

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Speaker 1: How does he You know he has to get medical clearance?

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Speaker 2: First, Yeah, that's first and foremost, Doxsy you say it's okay.

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Speaker 2: You move around you no baby thinks about that, Like,

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Speaker 1: They just get crushed.

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy to think that Mason Rudolph could be

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Speaker 2: I think he could be better than what happened to

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Speaker 2: been better suited. Really, I mean, I don't think Mason

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Speaker 1: I was right there with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely believe right now Rudolph gives him

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I've had to write some stories about

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Speaker 1: He was twelve to nineteen for one hundred and twelve yards,

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Speaker 1: The next week comes out in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: One half a play, that was one half. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: His next game, his first career start, came in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about a tough place to go, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Good at that point too.

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Speaker 1: They lose twenty twenty four to twenty. He was fourteen

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you could tell me the Steeld quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: His first career win came against the Bengals. They went

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Speaker 2: Right over two hundred yards completing a high percentage. I

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Speaker 1: Saturday, he would take it to Harpy.

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Speaker 2: It'd be one of the best quarterback games of the

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Speaker 1: It might be one of the best quarterback given what

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Speaker 1: best quarterback games we've seen. The following week against Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: he gets remember he got knocked out of this game

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Speaker 2: Or late.

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Speaker 1: And again it wasn't overtime. The fumble Juju Smith Schuster

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Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty three, and he's thirteen to twenty for

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Speaker 2: Some of these are getting thrown in or only a

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Speaker 2: has been all these games.

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Speaker 1: He misses the next game they beat the Chargers out

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Speaker 2: Ducolo did that.

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Speaker 1: They went at twenty seven to fourteen. He's twenty to

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Speaker 2: We even seen many multiple touchdown passing games and quite

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Speaker 1: Then he then he goes He throws for one hundred

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Speaker 1: the Rams. He throws for two forty two in a

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Speaker 1: Then we get to the Cleveland game.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that game, Juju Smith Schuster got hurt

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Speaker 2: Short week on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't have Yeah, he didn't have Cam Hayward

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Speaker 2: And we talked about yesterday. I mean, watching that game,

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Speaker 2: I really didn't care who the quarterback was. STROM mean,

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Speaker 1: Was it was they finished the entire second half of

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Speaker 2: And I just remember those guys not even ligning, right,

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Speaker 1: Then he gets clubbed over the head. Yeah, the racial

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. Like they bring him into a

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Speaker 1: it's you get that thrown at you. You have to

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Speaker 1: Then you get yanked. Hodges is okay, they win the

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Speaker 2: That's the one that really sticks with me.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen to twenty for one hundred and twenty nine yards

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Speaker 2: Because I remember, really, I'm sure we were doing the

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Speaker 2: Different, completely different, and it really has a much chance

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Speaker 1: Because all I've ever heard, well, he got pulled for

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Speaker 1: he had a crazy wort week.

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Speaker 2: Again, it contexted really the.

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Speaker 1: Worst seven days that anybody could have.

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Speaker 2: Well, you did see Patriots Arizona back to back. This

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Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. No, it's that's awful. I

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Speaker 2: remember all that, and I'm glad you laid it out

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Speaker 2: he was fine.

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Speaker 1: He started the right if you remember, he started the

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Speaker 1: next time we got to see him for an extending

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Speaker 1: The Browns, on the other hand, are playing for their

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Speaker 2: Wow, again, you'd take that Saturday in a heartbeat. One

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Speaker 1: Three hundred yard games since Ben Roethlison retired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even the game against the Lions. Again, he got

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Speaker 2: I mean, he puts up numbers like that. It always

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Speaker 2: There's two touchdowns, it's over two hundred yards, and that's

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Speaker 1: All be all, the only the only high interception game

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Speaker 1: if you're moving the football.

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Speaker 2: The games that really stick out to me or the

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett game and the Jets game, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I remember, just I'm bad at remembering individual games. I

441
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: don't hide that we do shows the Tim Benn's he

442
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 2: remembers like every play of every game, and you remember

443
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Speaker 2: history way better than I do. But I just remember

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Speaker 2: feeling for him in those occasions for two different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Like I felt like against the Browns on a Thursday night,

446
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Speaker 2: nobody had a chance to succeed, no matter who the

447
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Speaker 2: quarterback was. Ben in his prime would have been better,

448
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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't have been good. I mean they still lost,

449
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: be nasty again, guys didn't line up right, they couldn't

450
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Speaker 2: get in a huddle. And then the Jets game is like, wow,

451
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Speaker 2: he looked so comfortable. The time away probably did him

452
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Speaker 2: good after all the craziness he went through. He looks

453
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Speaker 2: like a good player now. And then he got hurt,

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Speaker 2: like my heart broke. For those are two things I

455
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Speaker 2: really remember.

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Speaker 1: So again, I think they can get league average quarterback

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Speaker 1: play out of him like I. So, during the game

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Speaker 1: against the Patriots, I know one of the Boston reporters

459
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Speaker 1: pretty well, and Trubisky was struggling early in that game.

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Speaker 1: He looked like he looked like a guy who hadn't

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Speaker 1: played in the year. And he texted me, he goes, boy,

462
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Speaker 1: Trubisky looks, he looks shaky out there. Who's the backup?

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Speaker 1: And I said, Mason Rudolph. He goes, oh, you know,

464
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Speaker 1: is Mason Rudolph worse than what the Patriots are playing at?

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Speaker 1: You know? Then Bailey's appy.

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Speaker 2: I would say the other thing about Rudolph that I

467
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Speaker 2: was gonna say before you had said that, is I

468
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Speaker 2: don't remember him looking flustered, uncomfortable, in over his head.

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Speaker 2: He may not be Brett Farve out there throwing lasers

470
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Speaker 2: or you know, Lamar Jackson make him plays, but I

471
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Speaker 2: never thought he looked unprepared, haired, uncomfortable. Yeah, you know,

472
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Speaker 2: he's a professional player.

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Speaker 1: He'll get the ball out of his hands. Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: he is. He's no worse than some of these other

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Speaker 1: guys that he tell me. He's not better than the

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Speaker 1: guy in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Badgin and all these dudes that have played

478
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Speaker 2: stretches and won some games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just look at it and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think especially and we've seen it, you know, take

481
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Speaker 1: you know, look at you know, Gino Smith in Seattle.

482
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Speaker 1: Gino Smith in Seattle early in his career was yuck.

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Speaker 1: Oh before Seattle. Yeah, his early career was Seattle yuck.

484
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Speaker 1: Even Drew Lock last night. I mean, but sometimes these

485
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Speaker 1: guys sit and they learn and they you know, they

486
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Speaker 1: know the offense. He's been in this offense now for

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Speaker 1: all three years, Like he's you know, this is not

488
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Speaker 1: something new to him.

489
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Speaker 2: Now, he'll know all the checks and all the adjustments

490
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Speaker 2: and protections and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's something about just having a professional level quarterback out

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Speaker 1: there who's not going to try to play hero ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I definitely think he gives them a better

494
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Speaker 2: chance to win, No reservations about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I expect pretty good play out of Mason

496
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Speaker 1: Rudolph this. I'll be surprised if Mason Rudolph doesn't at

497
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Speaker 1: least keep them in this game. Yeah, you know I could. Yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: they may not win it. We're all banged up on

499
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Speaker 1: defense and it's a mess right now. But I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that Mason Rudolph is going to be the reason

501
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Speaker 1: if they do lose this game, that he's going to

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Speaker 1: be the reason why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, boy, defense stood on its head and they

504
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: ran the ball like crazy. If the quarterback could just

505
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Speaker 2: complete a pass and knew what he was doing, Like,

506
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to be the story. Now,

507
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I was gonna say the exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: I bet he isn't the reason they lose.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we're gonna get to a break. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

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Speaker 1: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more right after this. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He

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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson and Matt I also have the

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Speaker 1: Bengals injury report here, and of course we know that

515
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Speaker 1: not gonna have DJ Reader. He went on I R

516
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Speaker 1: that's a big in many.

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Speaker 2: Ways, large human being. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, but Jamar Chase did not practice day with

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Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. Now. I know there's been some stuff

520
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Speaker 1: out there saying he's not going to play this week.

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Speaker 1: They're still saying he's day to day. It's yet Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nothing official but he's not practicing with that. He had

523
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Speaker 1: a separated shoulder.

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Speaker 2: It's painful, sounds like, you know, a pretty bad injury,

525
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it sounds like it's unlikely that he will play.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Guys who were limited for them were halfback Chase

527
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Speaker 1: Brown guard Alex Kappa, defensive end Cam Sample and then

528
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Speaker 1: full participation where linebacker Joe Batchie, quarterback Jake Browning with

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Speaker 1: a right four arm yeah, and then offense maybe and

530
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Speaker 1: then offensive tackle Jackson Carmen was was out with an illness.

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Speaker 1: The Chase injury to me is interesting because if you

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Speaker 1: look at what they've been doing offensively, yeah, it's they're

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Speaker 1: They're not asking Jake Browning to do a whole lot passing.

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Speaker 1: It's getting the ball out of your hands quickly. So

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Speaker 1: if you look at his average depth of target, is

536
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Speaker 1: you sent me this earlier today six point three yards,

537
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Speaker 1: which is low, low, very very low.

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Speaker 2: So to put that in perspective, I'm I had to

539
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Speaker 2: pull up my computer. I mean, that takes me a

540
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Speaker 2: little while here, so I don't know, say it okay.

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Speaker 2: As a team, the Bengals are the lowest average depth

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Speaker 2: of target this season. So to put that in perspective.

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Speaker 2: Their average throw, no matter who their quarterbacks spend this year,

544
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Speaker 2: it's only been two, but you know, is six point

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Speaker 2: four to three yards downfield, and it's by a pretty

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Speaker 2: wide margin. Kansas City's next, they're at six point eight three,

547
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Speaker 2: which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's almost.

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Speaker 1: A whole over the course of the season. That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And Browning is even less than the Bengals average.

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Speaker 2: You know, like he's at six ' three, so.

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Speaker 1: This is no longer a small sample size.

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Speaker 2: No, he's got four stars. Yeah, he's played a fair amount,

553
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: so it's coming down with him. But it's unbelievably efficient.

554
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's brock Purty like in terms of per

555
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: pass things like that. It's been really really good. But

556
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Speaker 2: it's they're not asking a lot of them. So here

557
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Speaker 2: was their breakdown from last week. He was twenty nine

558
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Speaker 2: to forty two for three hundred and twenty four yards

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Speaker 2: against Minnesota. Okay, of that, sixteen of his twenty nine

560
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Speaker 2: completions went to running backs and tight ends. That adds

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Speaker 2: up sixteen out of twenty nine. And they weren't using

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Speaker 2: any of those really with Burrow. Since Burrow's coming away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, because when you go into games

564
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Speaker 1: against the Bengals, you're worried about Chase, Higgins and.

565
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Speaker 2: Boyd in that order. In that order. Then they've rotated

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Speaker 2: tight ends and they don't throw the running backs much. No,

567
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Speaker 2: they've totally changed how they played ball.

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Speaker 1: That those sixteen completions to the tight ends and running

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Speaker 1: backs came on eighteen targets, short, short, easy throws. Anybody

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Speaker 1: can complete them. Extension of the run game, and they

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Speaker 1: convert the first downs and keep the chains moving.

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Speaker 2: Twelve different Bengals were targeted last week. Yeah, you know,

573
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Speaker 2: like they're just spreading it around to whatever you give them.

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Speaker 1: Chase, Higgins and Boyd combined so they were still involved.

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Speaker 1: They had They combined for ten catches last week on

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Speaker 1: seventeen targets for one hundred and seventy eight yards and

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Good those were both Higgins made both Higgins to score.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were kind of fifty to fifty hero balls.

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Speaker 2: Down wild a lot, especially to Higgins, and I think

581
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Speaker 2: that's part of the plan, right.

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Speaker 1: So to me, you know, if Chase can't play this week,

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Speaker 1: that's huge, that's huge. I mean he's their best player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for one thing, no matter how you play. You know,

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Speaker 1: they use him in that short passing game and hope

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Speaker 1: that he breaks a tackle or takes one. He just

587
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Speaker 1: runs past people because he's he has that capability, whereas

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Speaker 1: with Higgins and Boyd Boyd he's throwing a ball to

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Speaker 1: him if he's open, you know, one of those things.

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Speaker 1: But Higgins is the fifty to fifty guy.

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Speaker 2: Perc. Yeah, you nailed it. So it wasn't long ago

592
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Speaker 2: that the Steelers played against Browning or in the Bengals

593
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: and everybody listening remember and we did ten points. Yeah,

594
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: and we didn't know much about him, and you know,

595
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: scouting reports were a lot vaguer than and I think

596
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: the Bengals didn't know how to play with him as

597
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: well then as they do now. But I think he

598
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: nailed it. Like I had quoted Nate Tye from who

599
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: doesn't podcast on the Athletic Mike Tyson's son, he's very knowledgeable.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I never see Jamar Chase tackled by the

601
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: first guy, so they're throwing it to him like behind

602
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: the line, scream is now that makes a cornerback miss

603
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: and then five guys push him out of bounce or whatever.

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00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: But you pick up six yards, you know so, and

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Speaker 2: Higgins is healthy finally, you know, for much of the year,

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Speaker 2: Higgins has done very little and now it looks like

607
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: he's back. So he's the feature downfield, go be big

608
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: jump ball guy, which is his best attribute. And their

609
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: backs are good enough receivers, their tight ends are good

610
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Speaker 2: enough that they're getting the ball out of his hands amazing,

611
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Speaker 2: So many are accurate.

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Speaker 1: It's just difficult to cover everybody, and so you end

613
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: up playing a lot of zone against him, and so

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00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: he okay, he's just getting the ball out of his hands.

615
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: Much like we were just talking about with Mason Rudolph

616
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Speaker 1: not losing the games for them, then frankly, with the

617
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Steelers linebacker and safety situation doesn't doesn't match up well

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Speaker 1: at all now. I mean, even if it's just a

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Speaker 1: dump the mixing or Chase Brown in the flat, you

620
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: gotta get him on the ground.

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Speaker 2: You got to get people to them. They're big, strong guys,

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Speaker 2: you know so, And even if Minka were available, who

623
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Speaker 2: would you even put him on, you know, like, there's

624
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Speaker 2: not the McBride, you know, I mean, there's not one

625
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: threat from that area, but Chase being out would be

626
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Speaker 2: massive I mean he's a great player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because now, as we talked about yesterday, now you

628
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: can take Joey Porter Junior and put him on Higgins.

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Speaker 2: Which I think is a fun matchup. Yeah, good one.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have to worry about Chase. The other

631
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Speaker 1: guys are you know they if it's Usismus or whoever. Okay, yeah,

632
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: you know that's fine. At this point in his career,

633
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Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd is not a game breaker.

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Speaker 2: No, he's a nickel and dimer. Yeah, he always has,

635
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: but he is now less than ever to be honest

636
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: with you, So if you if you can, you know,

637
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: this is an other team, just like the Colts. They've

638
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: had four different tight ends played between one hundred and

639
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: seventy eight and three hundred and sixty four snaps. Yeah,

640
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: like there's not one. They just bring them in here

641
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: and there, and no one's great, but they're all okay.

642
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they might throw them an occasional pass. And

643
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: there's one who's taught the most passes of late has

644
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: been the converted quarterback.

645
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like I forget his name too, because he

646
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: kind of came out of nowhere.

647
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Speaker 1: But he never has It's never for very many yards.

648
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: But he'll have like five catches for thirty nine yards

649
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: what he had last moves to chains.

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Speaker 2: It's bah bah bah bah.

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Speaker 1: Where's he at? Tanner Hudson Hudson Okay, Yeah, I mean

652
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: he's a very nondescript, but he's effective. He's got thirty

653
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: three catches for two hundred and ninety eight yards and

654
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: a touchdown. T Higgins has thirty six catches for the season. Like,

655
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: this guy's almost got as many catches as T Higgins.

656
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: I need to dig into him more, but they clearly

657
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: like him. An opportunity has arisen for him and he's

658
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: taking advantage of it. As you said, he's a quarterback.

659
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks turned tight end is a good transition because you

660
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: don't have to run like the wind. And it's so

661
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: much like old man at the rec game, you know,

662
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: like I just know what that quarterback's looking at and

663
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: I know how to give him a good target sit

664
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: down in the zone, and oh yeah, yeah, I can

665
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: see the game through his eyes and my eyes. So

666
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: they may have something there. I don't think he's gonna

667
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: be the next Travis Kelcey, but I mean they may

668
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: have something there that is sustainable.

669
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Speaker 1: But he's their fifth leading receiver this year. If you

670
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Speaker 1: take you take Chase out of the lineup here, so.

671
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: Then everything drops though. I mean, like he's the straw

672
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: that serves the drink.

673
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: He's got one thousand, He's got eleven hundred and fifty

674
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: six yards. The next closest Bengal is Boyd with five

675
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: seventy five.

676
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote Anthony down. He was five hundred and

677
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: eighty one more yards than anyone else on the team.

678
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: You know, and Higgins has been hurt, but still you

679
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't expect that so real quick on Higgins. Between Week

680
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: three and week fourteen, he only appeared in seven games,

681
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: and he was in and out of lineups, and he

682
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: only averaged three point four receptions and just under fifty

683
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: yards per game, like all the way up until Week fourteen.

684
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: But now they get him at full speed. I mean,

685
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: he looked like himself last week.

686
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other part of that equation is that Chase

687
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: has seven receiving touchdowns. Yeah, Higgins is his next close.

688
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: Higgins has four, but remember he had two of those

689
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: last week, so going into last week's game, they didn't

690
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: have anybody else with more than two.

691
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: No, that totally adds up. I know, people around here

692
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: love Boyd even though he's a Bengal, but he's kind

693
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: of a shell of what he once was. I mean,

694
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: he's he's not hard to play against. I mean he's fine.

695
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna make plays. He's a route runner. Higgins is

696
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: now hard to play against. Chase is a nightmare to

697
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Speaker 2: play against.

698
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at those again, to go

699
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: back to that, those easy completions here, Mixon's catching eighty

700
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: three percent of the balls thrown his direction. Hudson's catching

701
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: eighty almost eighty five percent of the balls thrown his direction. Okay,

702
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Trenton Irwin seventy five catch percentage drew sample. They're other

703
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: they're blocking tight ends seventy seven point eight Mitchell Wilcox

704
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: one of the other tight ends eighty percent, Trayvon Williams

705
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven point eight percent.

706
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Speaker 2: The sure handed dudes that aren't making acrobatic catches.

707
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Chase Brown's at one hundred percent really every ball they've

708
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: thrown it, but it's all behind the line of.

709
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: Scrim their stuff super high. Yeah, one hundred percent right,

710
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: and Browning is accurate. That's his best trait is putting

711
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: the ball where it needs to be accurate.

712
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I think he's accurate within ten yards. Yeah, I don't

713
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: know if he's super accurate down the field.

714
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Deep digs over the middle, Matthew Stafford throws, Yeah, you're

715
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: not going to see that. Or I mean the stuff

716
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: outside is late career ben jump ball stuff, you know,

717
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean that kind of deal. But I found this

718
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: interesting too. So for the season, only the Commanders and

719
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: Jets have a higher past percentage of their plays. It's

720
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: sixty four point three percent. But over the last three

721
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: weeks they're throwing the ball fifty seven percent of their snaps.

722
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, so they're still third highest despite over the

723
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: last three weeks being like the lowest.

724
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: And they're they're running him, they're running the ball, and

725
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: everything's coming out quick.

726
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: And everything's coming out quick. Yeah, and it's short and

727
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: he's very accurate with it, and those guys are doing

728
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: a little bit after the catch, so very efficient.

729
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Looking at that. Is this a game where do the

730
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: Steelers being down safeties matter as much?

731
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Maybe not, I mean in terms of deep ball and

732
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: too high yeah, that type of thing. Maybe not.

733
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Linebacker, I mean, you've got to maybe put a guy

734
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: over top of Chase if he plays I'm sorry all

735
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: over top of Higgins. Yeah, but do you do you

736
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: worry about the does everybody else at the line of scrimmage?

737
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe you know, like for this one,

738
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: maybe you'd rather have HULKM than KZ. Yeah, you know,

739
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: like if you could add somebody back in the mix,

740
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: maybe the linebacker deficiencies worry more than the safety deficiencies.

741
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about that because you know, we always

742
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: talking about menco being able to put out fires. You know,

743
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: McBride starts killing the minco, go get him. There isn't

744
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: that guy on this team. But what's interesting to me

745
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: too is again it's only I filtered this for only

746
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: one hundred or more passing attempts because I wanted Browning

747
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: to be in there. If you look at yards per attempt,

748
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: the only one better than Browning is Perty. So they're

749
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: doing stuff after the catch too. So when the ball

750
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: comes out, it's.

751
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: Completing seventy three point six percent of the passes, which

752
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: helps that. Yeah, you don't have the incompletions.

753
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: Right, you know, but when the ball comes out of

754
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: its hands, they gain yards. Yeah that's what you have

755
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: to stop.

756
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's averaging eight point seven yards per attempt. Yeah,

757
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: but the average depth of target doesn't add up to that.

758
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: No, so they're getting stuff after the catch and the

759
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: ball's not hitting the ground very much.

760
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so tackling the catch is going to be hugely

761
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: important in this game.

762
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: So they're safeties and linebackers of course. Yeah. No, we

763
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: just said this isn't a great time to not have

764
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: safeties and linebackers. But you run the ball, you.

765
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: Have safeties and line you know, linebackers. The ideas are

766
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: they going to need to be because the ball's coming

767
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: out so quickly, you know, playing the pass or defending

768
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the pass. In terms of getting your hands on the football,

769
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen a whole lot.

770
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: No, I would think you don't blitz much.

771
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: But tackling the catch, on the other hand, which again,

772
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: if you're in the NFL, you should be able to

773
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: tackle the catch. It's just you know, yeah, you know

774
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: to me, so maybe I don't know.

775
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: Maybe play more man coverage and just lay it all

776
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: on the line, you know, impress, get a lot of

777
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: people near the line of scrimmage, bag them around, change

778
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: your drops for the underneath guys a little bit and

779
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: don't blitz because you probably won't get home. I don't know,

780
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: it's I'm impressed with what they're doing because I kind

781
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: of wrote this offense off for dead and they're finding

782
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: a way to make it work. I don't know that

783
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: it's super sustainable they'll do this forever, but it's been impressive.

784
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's benefficient somehow.

785
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: He has still been sacked thirteen times. Really, Yeah, so

786
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: that I mean, if you look at it for Burrow,

787
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: that sack percentage was six point two percent. For him,

788
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: it's eight point three. So maybe if you get him

789
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: off that first read, then.

790
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: He starts to not nobody's seeing. Yeah, their eyes drop.

791
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: So maybe to your point, maybe you do play more

792
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: press man and get him off that first ready to

793
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: pass rush time to get home.

794
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think their old line is great, But

795
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: much like the Steelers last year, it's been the same

796
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: five for like every snap this year. They've been remarkably lucky,

797
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, with injuries and things like that, so you

798
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: would think that they're good with their recognition and all that,

799
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's a great line.

800
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've also had six different guys, not necessarily at quarterback.

801
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: But they've tried to throw passes with six different guys. Really,

802
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: because you're chasing it's Burrow, it's Browning, Tyler Boyd Is

803
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: attempted to pass, Jamar Chase Is attempted to pass. A

804
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: G mccheron came in for one one snap and attempted

805
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: to pass, and then Hudson, the converted tight end is

806
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: also he was dropped back to pass but he got sacked.

807
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: So you kind of have to expect something crazy like

808
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: that in this.

809
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 2: Game, which makes sense because frankly, when Burrow's at his best,

810
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: this is not a very creative offense. I mean, it's.

811
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Joe, go make a play.

812
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: It's a lot like Peyton Manning, to be honest with you,

813
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: not a lot of prestap motion. Burrow wants to a

814
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: static front like Manning did, and I'm just gonna read

815
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: it out, you know, I'm I'm gonna wait till late

816
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: in the snap count and see what movement they give me.

817
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: People man remember like ray Lewis and Manning barking at

818
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: each other Burrows like that. You know where, I'm just

819
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: gonna put my guy, Reggie Way into one side, Harrison

820
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: to the other, Chase to one side, Higgins or the other,

821
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: read it out, find out what I like, and carve

822
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: you up.

823
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: I almost feel like they do that with this guy.

824
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: You know.

825
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: This offense kind of reminds me of the last few

826
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: weeks with Browning. It kind of reminds me of what

827
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: the Steelers did in twenty nineteen with Rudolph and Hodges.

828
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: A lot of easy, just piece it together. Yeah, throw

829
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: throws to the running backs, throws at the tight ends,

830
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: a little quick, quick, easy stuff wide receiver, screens, get

831
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands and let your playmakers

832
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: try to make a play.

833
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: And the Steelers are playmakers then, but they didn't have

834
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: jim More Chase. Yeah you know what I mean. And

835
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: now they might not Chase.

836
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: They have Higgins either, Yeah, exact those you know, those

837
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: type of guys.

838
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: So and Mixing's quality player. Yeah, tight Ends are coming

839
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: on a little bit.

840
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: You know. So you should know how to defend this.

841
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: If it's something that you've seen in the past, you

842
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: should know how to defend this. If you have the

843
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: right guys available, that's the that's the key.

844
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: No doubt. I mean, the personnel is a problem.

845
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: It's all the Jimmy's and the Joe's matter.

846
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: Big time, big time, and there the Bengals credit. They're

847
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: figuring out a ways to find out with new Jimmies

848
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: and Joe's to make this thing work. Now, can the

849
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Steelers counter because they're Jimmies and Joe's are problematic.

850
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, they're Jimmy's and Joe's aren't necessarily any of the

851
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: quarterback Jimmy is different. The Joe's are still the.

852
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: Same point point, and they're just asking the Joe's to

853
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: do different stuff.

854
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you don't have Chase, that's a pretty

855
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: big it's huge. That's a pretty big Joe.

856
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, he's the biggest Joe interesting anyway.

857
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to another break. He is the

858
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960
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Speaker 1: shop dot Steelers dot com. Matt just corner the corner,

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Speaker 1: head down to one of those pro shops and get

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Speaker 1: some get some nice gifts. Uh. Just Jordan Reed on

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Speaker 1: the ESPN updated his top fifty prospects.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it. I'm going to read it tonight.

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Speaker 1: Let's run through some of these real quickly. Here we

872
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Speaker 1: know the guys at the top. Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams,

873
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Drake may Fashanu from Penn State to Joe Alt Malik Neighbors,

874
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from LSU, Dallas Turner, the edge rusher

875
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Speaker 1: from Alabama, Rock Bowers, the tight end from Georgia Donze.

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Speaker 1: Am I pronouncing that right?

877
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Speaker 2: To Dounza, I'm gonna say yes, Okay, don't know.

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Speaker 1: The wide receiver from Washington number nine, Yeah, Lay to

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Speaker 1: the edge from UCLA is his ten. Jerson Newton, the

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Illinois is his eleven.

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Speaker 2: I bet he's the only one in the top thirty

882
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: or so.

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00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a tackle and he's undersized and he's verse

884
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: from the edge. Rsher out of Florida State, j C. Latham,

885
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Alabama.

886
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of tackles that could go projected first round.

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00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, the wide receiver from Florida wide receivers. Yeah,

888
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: the receivers are all big guys too.

889
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: There, that's so much different use here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen jayd and Daniels.

891
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: Okay, the quarterback, he goes higher than that. That's that's

892
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: actually the one profile I read and he basically said

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00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: he's rising up boards at a very fast.

894
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: And then we finally get to the defensive backs. At sixteen,

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Speaker 1: he has kool Aid mckissory.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean this this list will be much more

897
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: informative than I am, but it seems like there's a

898
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: log jam of cornerback one to cornerback five that needs

899
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: to get sorted out around this neighborhood in round one,

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Speaker 2: which is very steell irrelevant.

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00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: At seventeen, he has Cooper Dejon.

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00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a little different. I mean he's a bigger

903
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: return guy slot safety. Really appealing.

904
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then at eighteen is Nate Wiggins the cornerback and Clemson. Yeah,

905
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: so three in a row. A lot of these guys

906
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Speaker 1: have size too. Yeah, they're all they're all six one,

907
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: six to two. As you mentioned.

908
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Behind, when they all work out next to each other

909
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: will help the cipher things. Yeah.

910
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Well, Dijon is the kind of the wild card there

911
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: because he hurt his knee late in the season, but

912
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: a month and probably six weeks.

913
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: Ago now, so I haven't seen him in a while.

914
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I doubt he probably doesn't work out at the combine.

915
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: I don't know any of that, how serious it is.

916
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: But he hasn't played in a Wow.

917
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Great football player.

918
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, great football He would fit in here really well.

919
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do a lot of different stuff with him.

920
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Then at nineteen he has a Fatanu the guard from Washington.

921
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Then think he's tackled turn guard. I think he's kind

922
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: of a Scorronsky. Yeah.

923
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: At twenty is Braylan Trice, the edge rusher out of Washington.

924
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: Then we got Terry and Arnold the cornerback out of Alabama.

925
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: So two Alabama corners.

926
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Speaker 2: Something like him better than kool aid.

927
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Speaker 1: Yeah again the decent size, six foot one ninety six, Yeah, yeah,

928
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: good size twenty two is the tackle out of Georgia.

929
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Amarus Mims hasn't played a lot, but is incredibly talented.

930
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge at twenty three at donn A. Mitchell, the

931
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Speaker 1: wide receiver out of Texas again six four one ninety six.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the schools have two. Texas has two,

933
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: State has two, LSU has two.

934
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Speaker 1: Then more tackles, Telisi Fuaga, the offense tackle from Oregon State,

935
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Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, the offensive tackle from Arizona, Chop Robinson, the

936
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Speaker 1: edge rusher out of Penn State at twenty six, Tyler Geyiton,

937
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Oklahoma at twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing of this many tackles and receivers in a

939
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: top thirty.

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00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: At twenty eight is Brian Thomas Junior, the wide receiver

941
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: from LSU.

942
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: Tool you guys too. Yeah.

943
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Speaker 1: At twenty nine, Quinyam Mitchell, the cornerback out of two Toledo.

944
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: Interesting guy too, Yeah, Steel is gonna know a ton

945
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Speaker 2: about him. I think he's from what I've read and understand,

946
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Speaker 2: he's a very very high character guy. Big fish in

947
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Speaker 2: a small pond in a way too, you know. I mean,

948
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Speaker 2: he doesn't get tested much, but very very gifted. Interesting.

949
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: So that's five cornerbacks in the top twenty nine and.

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00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: Pretty much like fifteen to twenty. Yeah.

951
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: About well, we got Kingsley, Sue suem Taya the offensive tackle. Boy,

952
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: it was at thirty Michael Pennix is at thirty one.

953
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: His knee is going to be scrutinized. Yeah.

954
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: At thirty two, then you have Xavier Leget the wide

955
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: receiver out of South Carolinas. That's your first round.

956
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Got one. It's like two hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah, six

957
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: big boy.

958
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: A bunch of wide receivers, bunch of cornerbacks, bunch of

959
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: offensive tackles.

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00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Steeler related. You could structure your off

961
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Speaker 2: season around that. Oh pick him safety here, linebacker, whatever,

962
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: and you know, and draft accordingly.

963
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Because what tip happens. Then when you have that much

964
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Speaker 1: at the top of a draft, those second and third

965
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: round guys are also very good.

966
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: The depth, Yeah, you get values.

967
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: And you also if teams take a bunch of those

968
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Speaker 1: guys early, you're not taking two wide receivers.

969
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: Right. Thirty three is JJ McCarthy, the quarterback out of Michigan.

971
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Kamari Lassiter, the cornerback out of Georgia. At thirty four

972
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: one another one.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: Then you get the Graham Barton, the center out of Duke.

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00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: I think he's a tackle that they're projecting six three

976
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: four t yeah, yeah, yeah, just a really good player.

977
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, the wide receiver out of Texas. There's the

978
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: other one there. Yeah, he's six one. He's a small guy.

979
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Speaker 2: Yeaheah.

980
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Caitlin King at thirty seven, the cornerback at of Penn

981
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: State five to eleven one ninety one. He doesn't measure.

982
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: Up compared to this. The other guys played off supporter

983
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: last year.

984
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Cameron Kinchens, the safety at Miami is at thirty eight.

985
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Then you get to Jab think.

986
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: There's a slam dunk top safety there, three or four

987
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: fighting for it.

988
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Jatavian Sanders, a tight out of Texas, is an interesting

989
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: prospect as well. I mean he's the big reason why

990
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: they beat Alabama early.

991
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 2: In the YEA good point. Good point.

992
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Nuban the safety Adam Minnesota at forty.

993
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: People love him. His real solid plug and play type guy.

994
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: To DeAndre Sweat, the defensive tackle out of Texas. Is

995
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: it forty one for him?

996
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: What did they list? His height and way six four

997
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: three sixty two. He's kind of the Jordan Davis.

998
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: Yeah he has a nose tackle.

999
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's not a total stump you.

1000
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Know, forty two, you have Edgrin Cooper, the linebacker out

1001
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: of Texas A and m okay, that's our first true

1002
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: linebacker linebacker.

1003
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1004
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Amiki Eguba the wide receiver out of Ohio State at

1005
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: forty three.

1006
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: I don't think his stocks dropped as much as there's

1007
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: just so many other receiver that's going past them. Yeah.

1008
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: Then you got two of malalahu At, the dresser out

1009
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: of Ohio State. I'm not doing these names any kind.

1010
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, we'll get better at it.

1011
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: But at forty four, I think he's a good player.

1012
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. He gave the Penn State dude with

1013
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: a tough name a hard time. He's a great to

1014
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: beat him up. Yeah, I would think the Steelers won't

1015
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: be real interested in Edges, but there's you've named five

1016
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: or six of them so far.

1017
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: He's six four to two seventy. I wonder if he

1018
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: could bull him up a little bit.

1019
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: And different stuff with him.

1020
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle out of Texas Then

1021
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: at forty five, he's six one three oh eight, So

1022
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: it's all kind of shrunken down guys here. Uh. Patrick Paul,

1023
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle out of Houston at forty six.

1024
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: No one, I mean quality tackle in the second round,

1025
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: mid second round.

1026
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: Forty seven is Brandon Dorius, the defensive tackle out of Oregon.

1027
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: He's six three two ninety so he's got a little

1028
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: bit more of the Yeah what you're looking for there?

1029
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Uh forty eight the edge rusher Chris Braswell out of Alabama.

1030
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: At forty nine. Troy Franklin, another wide receiver out of Oregon.

1031
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: He's a skinny guy, six three seven, little angular. And

1032
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: then uh adisa Isaac the edge rusher out of Penn

1033
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: State at fifty six four two fifty four.

1034
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: So again there's two Penn State edge rushers, two Bama

1035
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: edge rushers.

1036
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Everything comes in twos this year.

1037
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: It's no Art. Yeahah, so I think he has position

1038
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: ranks he does. Can you used to be one favorite

1039
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: and go to centers because I hadn't seen Barton listed

1040
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: as a center, but I could see that he is

1041
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: the West Virginia kid, is highly thought of the Georgia

1042
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: kids highly thought. Looks like a lot of day two center.

1043
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got Barton as his number one. Cedric van

1044
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: Priyann out of Georgia. Number two Jackson Powers Johnson out

1045
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: of Oregon, three, Zach Fraser from West Virginia four, and

1046
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: then Matt Lee out of Miami is number five.

1047
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I know Fraser from WU is injured now. Nasty

1048
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: wrestler type. I mean, our buddy Wes Uler will tell

1049
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: you all about him, but he wants him to be

1050
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: a Steeler. But it looks like a lot of Day

1051
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: two centers.

1052
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: YEA, could be good, could be a good class there.

1053
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: So that's the the Jordan Reid. Yeah, that's ESPN's Top

1054
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: fifty rankings. Some new names in there that we hadn't

1055
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: really talked about yet. Again, we'll dive more and more

1056
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: into this as we get into the off season, but

1057
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for our number one. We'll

1058
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: be back with more in our number two of the

1059
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Speaker 1: Drive right after this