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Speaker 1: We bring in Chris Simms on the show pretty regularly,

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Speaker 1: and then there's Matt Simms. He's working at the other place.

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Speaker 1: But you know who I relate to is Phil Simms,

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Speaker 1: because now we're both at the age where we wake

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Speaker 1: up and we go to the pill closet and the

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Speaker 1: vitamin closet. And Phil Simms, host of SIMS Complete on

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Speaker 1: the Believe Network. He's joining us fifteen years. We just

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Speaker 1: talked about nad magnesium and Omega three pills during the

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Speaker 1: break and I've never felt better about my decisions. You

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Speaker 1: and I do the the same life. I just go

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Speaker 1: off a little more than you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting there. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I take this in the morning and that, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking, it's working, Okay,

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Speaker 3: does that feel good and not sleep great.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Same thing. So fifteen quarterbacks right now

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Speaker 1: right have one hundred plus passer rating. Two years ago

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Speaker 1: Some of it phil is because I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot more good offensive coaching. There's a lot of sharp

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Speaker 1: young guys out there. And I also think everybody plays zone,

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Speaker 1: so it's a little throw to a spot. You lived

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Speaker 1: in a world where it was man to man coverage.

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Speaker 1: Now it's zone and you just throw to a spot.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these young guys are strong and

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Speaker 1: throw to a spot. But when you look at your

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Speaker 1: era and this era of quarterback play, do you see

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Speaker 1: some of the rule changes.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think yeah. The first thing you say, throw

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Speaker 3: it to a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want

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Speaker 3: to stop the big runs down the field. And if

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Speaker 3: you play zone in the NFL, it's the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 3: we're seeing out there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: You say fifteen, I would probably say more. They're gonna

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Speaker 3: pick you apart, and that's what defense is want. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna let you complete the passes, but we're gonna run up,

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Speaker 3: sustain a lot of plays to score. That's what you see.

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Speaker 3: And these quarterbacks they just keep getting better every year.

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Speaker 3: And to answer your question, Colin, my era that I

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Speaker 3: played in, I don't know what to say. This whole

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Speaker 3: group that plays now, they are remarkably different and better

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Speaker 1: So I love watching the old films with you and Parcels,

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Speaker 1: and it's just that confrontational stuff. It's funny, it rights itself.

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Speaker 1: But Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis. They

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Speaker 1: don't know what they are. Back with Parcels, did you

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Speaker 1: guys even use the word identity or is that one

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Speaker 1: you just like, listen this every week was a different

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Speaker 1: game plan or did Bill believe in, Hey, this is

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Speaker 1: We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't

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Speaker 1: and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to

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Speaker 1: your six years Giant Super Bowls dominant team, was identity discussed.

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Speaker 3: Never never I don't know. You know, hell, you know

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Speaker 3: these player only meetings. I will say this, we did

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, gosh, almighty, you've won so many games,

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Speaker 1: So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships you know, the

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Speaker 1: I think Big Ben and Tomlin it just worked because

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Speaker 1: Big Ben was so damn talented. But I look at

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Speaker 1: Shanahan and outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle shab

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Speaker 1: Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when

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Speaker 1: you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan?

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Speaker 1: What named I screw up Matt Shop. When you look

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Speaker 1: at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had.

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret, Sauce,

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Speaker 1: What do you think he does? The language he speaks,

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Speaker 1: the touch, the feel he has. What is it with Kyle?

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Speaker 1: Because I'd argue today Phil, no coach is winning with

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Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about

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Speaker 3: mac Jones, people ask me, Hey, whatever all this? Howd

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Speaker 3: he play. I said, yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the

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Speaker 3: Mac Jones offense. That's what he did. Who's my quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to adapt to him and call and design

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Speaker 3: plays that fit him. And everything they did in that

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Speaker 3: of the book. Hey, Mac Jones special. Well, he's a

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Speaker 3: big guy, can stand in there, he can get rid

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Speaker 3: of the football quick, He's a good decision maker. Everything

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Speaker 3: that's good for him Kyle Shanahan put into that game plan.

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Speaker 3: If it had been Rock Perdy playing that game, we'd

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Speaker 3: have seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving, and many more

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Speaker 3: throws deep down the field probably. But that's the one

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Speaker 3: thing about Kyle. You can go through all the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: basically they all play well. So that's not luck. That's

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Speaker 3: him designing plays and knowing how to call it.

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Speaker 1: So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay, many

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Speaker 1: of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at times.

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Speaker 1: Now now, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first where

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Speaker 1: you got the upside without the interceptions. But Nameth and

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Speaker 1: Elway and Peyton threw a lot of picks and Eli did,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean, but I mean Baker Mayfield has

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Speaker 1: the most turnover worthy plays so far in the league,

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Speaker 1: according to PFF. And my take is, well, that's Baker's style.

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Speaker 1: He plays through his chest. He's a big emotion guy.

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Speaker 1: I think if you try to change Baker, you lose

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Speaker 1: who Baker is. What do you make of him as

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down

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Speaker 3: him and because he is a fun watch and let

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Speaker 3: me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football.

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Speaker 3: He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it

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Speaker 3: I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who

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Speaker 3: describe Baker Mayfield? And Todd Bowles took a quick second

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Speaker 3: the fan? He would do it, And that's who he is.

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Speaker 3: He's just tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football,

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Speaker 3: and he's He's great for the team because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get a little update your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got to look

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Speaker 3: And what I like about it is he's reading the

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Speaker 3: They had a chance to beat to the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 3: I thought they were the better team, but the mistakes,

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Speaker 3: that's what you're going to get with the young quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You don't pull him back too much. You just kind

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Speaker 3: of go all right, settle down a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive gives

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Speaker 1: So when you were with a Giant, so was Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: and I know on the defensive side. I never thought

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Speaker 1: Bill's a pro guy to me. You know, I never

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Speaker 1: got it. Are you surprised it's been this big of

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we were together thirteen years with the Giants.

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Speaker 3: He came in in seventy nine, I think the same

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Speaker 3: year I did. But yeah, I listen, I'm very surprised.

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Speaker 3: I thought he would go down there and kind of

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Speaker 3: show college football there's a little different way to do this.

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Speaker 3: Well he did it a different way, but it's not working.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend thirteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah that changes a year, Colin. I mean, just think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even

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Speaker 1: Phil as always we talked about once every couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I always loved chatting with you. Great wisdom, and you

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Speaker 1: look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people

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Speaker 3: Well Hill, all right, well my wife never tells me that.

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Speaker 3: this would be the last thing I say real quick.

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Speaker 3: The quarterbacks. I know you like the guy at Oregon,

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Speaker 1: So there you go, Phil Simms. We will bring you

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Speaker 1: back on and I mean it, We're going to bring

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Speaker 3: It'd be great if you bring me back and then

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Speaker 1: Fox is doing well, the stock prices up. We got

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you, thanks for having me on, Colin.

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Speaker 8: Well, Colin, let's start with the Cleveland Browns, the Factory

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Speaker 8: of Sadness. They've got a quarterback situation. Everybody's waiting to

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Speaker 8: Kevin Sefanski is not showing his cards. Will it be Schador,

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Speaker 4: Out of Cleveland. Who's going to be the backup? And

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Speaker 9: I always have to be mindful of our players and

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Colin, this is if you listen closely players development.

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Speaker 8: That's my read from this quote. Maybe I'm reading between

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Speaker 1: It's so funny there's this contingent in Cleveland that thinks,

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Speaker 8: So my take and I this probably isn't going to

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Speaker 4: I think this speaks to the media environment right now. Colin.

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Speaker 8: So is he going to be the backup coach? What's

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Speaker 1: So I just followed the act of Stefanski's real bright

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Speaker 1: He can't play. And again in my life, I do

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Speaker 4: bye in the desert. This is six and a half.

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Speaker 4: It's five and a half for Fox here. It's heading up.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be probably a touchdown. What is it

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 8: I saw six and a half in the desert on

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Speaker 8: the screen. We got five and a half because you know,

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Speaker 8: we put this up earlier. But I like a lot

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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh here, and I don't like Aaron Rodgers, you know,

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Speaker 8: so I don't want to give away Friday headlines, but

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Speaker 8: I like Pittsburgh here a lot. Let's move on, Colin

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Speaker 8: to the Detroit Lions. This is an interesting one. So

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Speaker 8: a report surface that the Lions complained to the league

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Speaker 8: office about Aiden Hutchison, their star defender, being blocked illegally.

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Speaker 4: Okay, got story, got a lot.

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Speaker 8: Of attention, including Hutchison just you know, came back from

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Speaker 8: that nasty leg injury. Well then Dan Campbell talked about it,

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Speaker 8: and uh, here we go.

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Speaker 7: That's a bogus report. I don't know where that came from.

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Speaker 7: Nobody from here ever did that. That's bold.

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Speaker 3: I was just curious if you saw any different.

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Speaker 7: No, man, Oh, games played a certain way. That's the

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Speaker 7: way it goes. Man, it doesn't matter whether we're doing

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Speaker 7: or somebody else is doing it to our guys. We

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Speaker 7: know that and we play accordingly.

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Speaker 4: You've been in the media a long time.

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Speaker 8: When the number one ESPN NFL newsbreaker has this and

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Speaker 8: Dan Campbell's calls it bogus.

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Are the Lions complaining in the league office?

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Speaker 4: Are they not?

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Speaker 8: Is much as his agent doing it? Something fishy going

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Speaker 8: on here. But Dan Campbell was like pointing and fired

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Speaker 8: up in that video.

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Speaker 1: I believe it. I am a Dan Campbell is authentic,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's incredibly emotionally honest. So is I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Dan Campbell's trying to manipulate the media.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I think he's one of the nicest

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Speaker 1: guys in the league. I think he's one of the

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Speaker 1: more honest guys in the league. There are very few

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Speaker 1: guys like Rabel. What you get you get, Campbell, what

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Speaker 1: you get you get, todd Ball, what you get you

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Speaker 1: get Like some of these guys they played to the media.

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Speaker 1: Those guys don't Cannibell's all these all facts, all honest,

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Speaker 1: all raw. He just lets us see all. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean he gets emotional talking about football, he comes to tears.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care. He's just an honest guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I will say, you know, you do the segment where

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Speaker 8: Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, I was wrong

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Speaker 8: on Campbell.

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Speaker 4: I remember remember that one. I like, he's not a

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Speaker 4: top twenty coach.

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Speaker 8: And you were like, oh wait, wait a minute, all

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Speaker 8: these Lions fans came after me.

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Speaker 4: I was wrong. He's good.

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Speaker 1: Dan Campble's a coach. I still have my issues with

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Speaker 1: Nick Siriani. I have none with Dan Campbell none. He's built.

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Speaker 1: He's a very very good coach, very good. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: just does it differently. Shanahan's the scheme guy, and I

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Speaker 1: think Dan's the emotional culture builder. I mean, Detroit doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to have great defenses. They are still physical. They

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Speaker 1: just do it on the offensive.

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Speaker 8: So I remember they weren't good. I think they started

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Speaker 8: like Ohen seven or Oen eight. They had it, but

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Speaker 8: did they let him bake? And he built a culture

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Speaker 8: which leads up to our final story, and that's the

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Speaker 8: Jets who Aaron.

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Speaker 4: Glenn is supposedly building a culture there. I don't know.

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Speaker 8: The Jets are winless, they stink, and bo Nicks is

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Speaker 8: not overlooking Aaron Glenn's Jets this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think in the in the league, quite honestly,

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Speaker 10: it's a little disrespectful to consider anybody a trap team.

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Speaker 10: I think you know, they're an NFL team and they're

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Speaker 10: gonna have some really good players on their defense, and

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Speaker 10: it's it's not really, you know, a trap game. I

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Speaker 10: think any game you can walk in and slip up

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Speaker 10: and lose. That's just the league. So you know, if

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Speaker 10: you're not careful in a way, all of them could

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Speaker 10: be because they're that good of an opponent.

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Speaker 1: Plus that you remember. I'm staying away from this game

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Speaker 1: smart because my take is the Broncos come off a

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Speaker 1: huge win, the Jets get humiliated. These are pro athletes.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a touchdown game. I like Denver to win,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's really close. I am this is

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I stayed away from the

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Speaker 1: Chargers over the Giants, and the Bills over the Saints,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers blowing out the Cowboys. Looks so obvious.

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Speaker 1: This looks too obvious. Stay away.

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Speaker 4: Half the battle is dodging landmine.

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Speaker 1: This is a landmine game. Yeah. One team off a

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Speaker 1: wildly emotional win on the road in Philly. The Jets

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Speaker 1: get humiliated. Jets have players, Jets have good players.

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Speaker 8: Looks like some of their defenders are trending back from

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Speaker 8: injury this week.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that. Are you waking up at six

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Speaker 4: thirty am? Yes, yes, well he actually you'll be yeah, you.

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Speaker 8: Won't have to wait eighty six thirty for my team.

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Speaker 8: Might be a late Saturday night for old j Mack

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Speaker 8: boozing it up.

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Speaker 1: I will be up at eight thirty Chicago time watching

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Bowneck.

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Speaker 8: I do like waking up to a bunch of texts

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Speaker 8: about the London games.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how did I bet on this crap?

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Speaker 1: You know, like bad bad quarterback. I was in living

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, out of college. College football wasn't as popular,

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Speaker 1: so you would at the best games in the country,

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Speaker 1: like the Miami Hurricanes and the Florida State Seminoles Bobby

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Speaker 1: Bowden at nine in the morning and on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: I would do the local sports and then I would

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Speaker 1: go to the Palace Station and I would bet all

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Speaker 1: those early Florida games and party all night and sleep

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Speaker 1: in and I'd wake up and I'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I hit a couple of bets where I lost, but

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Speaker 1: I was like that was that was my first wave

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Speaker 1: of bets. It was the early morning Pacific time bets. Boy,

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Speaker 1: forget it right, that's what they say, bet and forget y'all.

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Speaker 1: Don't stress over every down, which some of us tend

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Speaker 1: to do occasionally. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: It has been a thinking of Phil Simps. It has

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Speaker 1: been a bad stretch for New York sports teams. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. Now there's a story out there today that

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Speaker 1: Yannis is leaving the Bucks, and legitimate people are reporting

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Speaker 1: the league's been notified Yannis is leaving. Now I would

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Speaker 1: have done this two years ago. New York gonna get

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Speaker 1: a lot of New York nick talk. Keep your eye

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Speaker 1: on the Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Keep your

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Speaker 1: eye on Orlando and Minnesota. They got the pieces and

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Speaker 1: the picks, and they've got stars who need another equal

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Speaker 1: star next to them. Ant and Yannis, Pablo Boncaro and Yannis.

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Speaker 8: Just remember Kevin Durant was traded to the Sun. That

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Speaker 8: came out of nowhere. A few years ago, we were

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Speaker 8: at the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Golden State wants Giannis. They'd have to give up pods

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Speaker 1: coaminga four first round picks and some expiring contract.

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Speaker 8: One of the smart guys on staff who shares my

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Speaker 8: name is floating the Minnesota Timberwolf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that's if you go look at the herds. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you go look at picks and yes, that's that's nasty.

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Speaker 4: Those are two top six players in the league.

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Speaker 1: Keep your eye in Houston.

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Speaker 4: Houston's good. They might win the title this year.

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Speaker 1: You gotta give up, You're gonna you gotta give up

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Speaker 1: Aman Thompson. Though I don't know he's good, you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're not getting this guy for an end table. You

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Speaker 1: gotta give up something to get something. H