1 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I heard you talk the other day in a press 2 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: conference setting. I think it was about job pressure. Yeah, 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: and I loved it. I like punched the steering wheel 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: when you talked about it, because you know, someone brought 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: up this specific year. You know there's a lot of expectation, 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: You've made staff changes, you must be feeling a lot 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: of pressure, and you just you basically shared your life philosophy. 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: You basically shared your professional philosophy of Well, I felt 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: that way every day when I've walked into the office forever. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: And the way you metaphorically put it is, I just 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: pretend like someone's hold my head down underwater every day 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: and I got to fight to get air. And then 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: you said something I love. You said, Ah, you may 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: think that's coach speak, but that's the way I really feel. 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Have you always been that way? And then secondly, how 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: does that almost make it easier when you enter a 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: year where the outside world thinks, oh, you've got a 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on you because you're just kind of 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: used to it. 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great question. But I've always felt that 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: that's a lifestyle, that mindset, just a lifestyle. I'm very 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: comfortable in that space and on the flip side. If 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: you're doing life, if you're chasing passion things that you love, 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: if you're comfortable doing it, then you're probably doing it wrong. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: And so that where's that that balance. It's really hard, 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: the challenges of winning and being successful. But something I've 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: never shot away from. You know, I just looked at 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: right dead in the eyeball and have gone right at 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: it head first, not flinching. Again, got clear vision on 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, the things that it takes to be successful 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: and the things that I'm in control of, and there's 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: so many oponents that you're not in control of. And 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: so not getting distracted, not letting things that again I 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: can't control, affect you in any way, shape or form, 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: and be committed to doing things, living your life in 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: a certain type of way. And and so you got 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: to run right towards all the suffering that help shape 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: you and develop you. That's where you, you know, you 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: learn the most, and not through you know, successes of 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: life or the big wins in you know, your career. 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: It comes from you know, the failure and the tough 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: moments and the challenges and the hurdles that you gotta 43 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: climb through and over. And but got clear vision and 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: again very comfortable in that space. You ever, you ever. 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Think about the way you view you're the inside of 46 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: the football bubble, being a head coach, being a defensive coordinator, 47 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, and how aggressive and alpha 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: and on the edge of the clip. This existence is 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: compared to the outside world, where you could probably mail 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: it in on Tuesday and your job still going to 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: be there Wednesday. And so it's the way of thinking 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: makes sense logically, but yet it's not relatable for a 53 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of people because it's not fourth and goal every 54 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: day in many people's normal walks of life. But yet 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: you haven't been in a normal walk of life for 56 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: a long, long, long time. And so when you're talking 57 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: to I say normal person respectfully, but someone who is 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: working a normal, comfortable job and a normal comfortable existence, 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I guess it's probably not hard to understand why that's 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: not relatable to some people. 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a fourth and one mentality, and the 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: where you live your life is fourth and one. I 63 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: think honestly it comes from gratitude and gratefulness for the 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: opportunities that I have had through relationships, hard work, you know, resiliency, 65 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: growing up in a very dysfunctional home life and so 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: having an appreciation for some day. And so when I 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: got my opportunity, I was again a crawl on at 68 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: Kansas State, just finding a hole in the fence and 69 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I got inside. Man, I just I looked at things 70 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: from a perspective standpoint, from a different lens. I believe that. Man, 71 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm not the only one, but that's a very unique lens. 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: As you said that, it has always become has always 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: been a part of, you know, my way of thinking, 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: my way of chasing things that I've desired. And and 75 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't have fun in any way, shape 76 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: or form. That's you're having fun doing it even when 77 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: it's really hard. You my own you look right at it. 78 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: When things get really hot on game day, man, it 79 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: gets really quiet for me. 80 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: You you said something there. I don't want to gloss 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: over what you just said. You said, when it gets 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: really hot, things get really quiet. And so you're talking 83 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: about high leverage, high pressure moments, probably the moments that 84 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: people will remember the most. If I'm even watching the 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: highlight of a game, those moments, the third and nine 86 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, four and six, you're talking about that moment 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and you're talking about blocking out the noise, which again 88 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: would be labeled as coach speak except for the fact 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: that it's integral to you know, functioning at a high level. 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: How if you were giving me advice and I came 91 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: to you and said, coach, I'm really struggling blocking that 92 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: stuff out. Well, you're sitting here claiming to me you do. 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: So what's your advice to me? 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: How do you do that? I probably everything gets easier 95 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: when you stop expecting it to be easy. And I 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: think a lot of people are afraid of those hard 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: things because it's really hard at the demands of it. 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: But when you look at it from that lens, I 99 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: just think that, Okay, you have this confidence from reassurance 100 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: and purpose and focus that you're not focus on, you know, 101 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 2: the difficulties that you know you're facing. 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: When you were looking down the road for a long 103 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: time at the prospect of being a head coach and 104 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: then you finally got in the chair, how much did 105 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: you find in that chair that you could never have 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: envisioned or you could never simulate until you're actually a 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: head coach. 108 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean this might sound disingenuous, but it's exactly 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: what I thought and I've always marveled at, you know, 110 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 2: the head coaches that I've worked alongside with, how they've 111 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: handled all of it. And I've paid very close attention. 112 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't Yeah, I was focused in my lane over here, 113 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: but I always showed up, you know, to the workplace environment. 114 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: Like the head coach's success was reliant on what I 115 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: did that day and knowing that all the things that 116 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: certainly that they have in front of them, and you know, 117 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: and the responsibilities that I could take off of, you know, 118 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 2: their plate, and then where they don't have to worry 119 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: about me, but I've the depth of the demands every day. 120 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: It never stops. You're never off. You're literally on that 121 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: treadmill at ten and ten. And that's a lifestyle too. 122 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: You're you're busy in every role you know, on a 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: staff and college football as we see it now, it's 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: it's a little more complicated today than it was probably 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, twenty five thirty years ago ago. Yeah, that's 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: good now it is. There's things have many things are 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: the same, and there's several more things that you have 128 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: to deal with. But it's exactly what I thought and 129 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: many of the reasons that I like Okay, life is 130 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: simple quote unquote for me over here. But I also 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: knew that when you're at the right place, a place 132 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: that you love and you're passionate about, and there's a 133 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: great alignment in the leadership and you have you know, resources, 134 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: and maybe even a place that has a history of 135 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: being successful, you know, that's what I waited for too, 136 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: And when the opportunity came, I jymped all over it. 137 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking there about how everything's changed, which 138 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: it has, but everyone's dealing with that, so no one 139 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: wants to hear any one person complain because everyone's dealing 140 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: with it. But yet you're also sitting here with that 141 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: oh you logo on your polo, which means you get 142 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot of things at your disposal that maybe someone 143 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: down the ladder a little bit, even as a head 144 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: coach doesn't get. Yeah, And I was talking to someone 145 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: the other day, you know, I'm thinking about how the 146 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: portal works. I'm thinking about the upward mobility of talent 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: and how like if I'm at a you know, a 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: G five location, the better I do at evaluating and 149 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: developing guys, the worse off I'm probably going to be because 150 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: they won't be here next year. It Oklahoma, you don't 151 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: have to worry about that as much. I mean, I 152 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: guess how blessed a position is it to be in 153 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: this seat in this point in time, instead of being 154 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: somewhere where you're trying to work your way up, but 155 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: yet you're kind of being punished for your success down there. 156 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I've got a great respect and appreciation for 157 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: the opportunities that are here. You know, the issues that 158 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: we have a pale in comparison. I get that. I 159 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: have a clarity on that and whatever problems we have 160 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: here at the University of Oklahoma their first war in 161 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: this space, their first world problems. So I've got the 162 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: right perspective when it when it comes to that, I 163 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: have empathy, you know, I really do, because I know 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 2: at G you know, at the G five level, they 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: work every bit, if not harder, they have to be 166 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: more creative, they've got to do more with less. I 167 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: get the challenges without being there, I feel like I 168 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: have a somewhat of a perspective of what they have 169 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: to go through. I got immense appreciation respect for for them. 170 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: So that doesn't make it any easier, you know, and 171 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: the issues some of the issues that we deal with 172 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: here are different too than you know, maybe what uh 173 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: those programs are dealing with as well. 174 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: When you got to out of last season, everyone thinks 175 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: what they think, everyone writes what they write. I'll say 176 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: what I'll say. But you've got to do a full 177 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: quality control analysis, which you would do even if you 178 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: won the national title last year. What are some of 179 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: the things you saw? How critical an I do you 180 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: have to have and what does that as specific as 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: you can be, what does that process look like? 182 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're looking, as you said, you're you know, 183 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: pulling the curtain back on every area what you do 184 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: you know as far as your self scout and analysis, 185 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: and you're even when something was good, how can we 186 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: make it better? And you're always looking to make make 187 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: it best in class and but in regards to you know, 188 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: for me, all right, well, what are some things that 189 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: you can control some things you can't control? And you know, 190 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: so we immediately attacked the issues that we had on 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball with and we mid 192 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: middle of the season, had to replace our coordinator. Tough 193 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: difficult decision. Love Seth and they're family like a brother 194 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: and the rest of his family like family and uh, 195 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: and so managing and navigating that all the while uh 196 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: trying to find you know, the next offensive coordinator and 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: getting a head start on that. Uh. And so find 198 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: in a way for us to get back to playing 199 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: the kind of offense that this place has been used 200 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: to for one hundred years and the things that this 201 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: particular locker room and in this environment what we needed. 202 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: And so uh, you know, we we did that with 203 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: a coaching change and bringing in the right people with 204 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: the right plan that fit both our roster and then 205 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: what we needed to do moving forward from a talent 206 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: acquisition and retention standpoint. Uh. And then we looked at 207 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: again we had, you know, we're snake bit and had 208 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: several receivers and offensive linemen that we're injured, you know, 209 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: on it's all said and done, you know, nine star 210 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: orders that we're out, and that will affect your place certainly. 211 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: But I looked at, Okay, what what responsibility you know 212 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: is there in every area. And I've said this to 213 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: the staff staff several times, this doesn't happen all because 214 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: of one thing. And you can say it's bad, you know, 215 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 2: bad luck, and maybe you know that happens but how 216 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: can we be better you know in the areas of 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, keeping our players healthy and because to me 218 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: it leads over into every area. And uh so I 219 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: think the things that we looked at us you know 220 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: again your year round training certainly how you recover and 221 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: all the modalities that you have in those spaces. And 222 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: we have great resources here and you know, under the 223 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: circumstances when you when you lose, you know that many 224 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: maybe how how what are our process and we get 225 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: our guys back? You know, we turned to play, and 226 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: so we've looked at everything. We've made some subtle changes 227 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: in some things and you know in our pre and 228 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: post had both in our winter conditioning and our springball 229 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: now and look at to modify some things in the summer. 230 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: I do think that because of the fluidity of the 231 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: rosters in college football environment that we're in now, you 232 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: have to understand that the competitive depth that maybe you 233 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: had just two years ago is different now more than other. 234 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 2: And you've seen the different subtle changes that have affected 235 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: the players, the things that they desire and how it 236 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: affects you know, there's always a collateral damage and a 237 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: cause and effect to everything. So you know when the 238 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: first when Portal first came out, the real focus was 239 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: an IL came out, it was really on acquisition is 240 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: where you saw, you know, the biggest demands. And then 241 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: you said, well, the next several weeks and several months, 242 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: it's going to go right back to the locker room 243 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: and the retention. You'll have several guys when they came 244 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: out of high school just a couple of years ago, 245 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: within the last you know, nine, ten, twelve months, they 246 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 2: didn't have the same opportunities. Now they're going to look 247 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: at things different and their needs are going to be 248 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: need to be met. And then it's, uh, you know, 249 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: the scale without any real structure or you know, parameters, 250 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: it's only going to the demand's only going to grow higher. 251 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: And you really you were just one year of time 252 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: trying to figure that out. You know, financially, I'm really 253 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: talking about holistically, you know, with the athletic department and 254 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: the people that raise money and you know what your uh, 255 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, your salary cap is going to be from 256 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: one year to the next without any real blueprint you know, 257 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: to to go by. And but from the twenty three 258 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: where we felt like we had good competitive depth where 259 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: you you felt you had the old school, if not 260 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: even better, three and a half deep at each position. 261 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think in twenty four moving forward what 262 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: you saw or guys aren't willing to take as much 263 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: time to develop and have their opportunity and so. And 264 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: I don't think that this is a philosophical you know, 265 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: a broad philosophical change where guys are looking for the 266 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: easiest way. I don't. I still don't believe that. But 267 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: I think the ability to have patience and put in 268 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: a little more time to work for their opportunity in 269 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: the future, I think there's a little less patience for that, 270 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: and or maybe the opportunity if I'm not I don't 271 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: have a bigger role and I can't make as much 272 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: money and they have a very short term lens. And 273 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: I'm not casting blame in any way, shape or form. 274 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: The players didn't ask for this, right, you know, they 275 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: inherited this, and then you don't blame them. And if 276 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: you think about what these players, the players have come from, 277 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: you know, the backgrounds that they come from, the homes 278 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: they come from, the financial strain that comes from their homes. 279 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: I know. I think it's one of the coolest byproducts 280 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: of the environment that we're dealing with now with the 281 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: players are finally compensated, they can literally help their family. 282 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: They can influence, impact and enrich and whether it's short 283 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: term or not, it's in the real time right now. 284 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: They get an opportunity to maybe bridge some gaps financially 285 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: or help pay the rent, you know, help pay someone's tuition, 286 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: help pay for daycare, put food on the table, help 287 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: change quality of life. It's real and that's really a 288 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: cool thing to see, you know, our players have that opportunity, 289 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: you know, to do that. My job and our job 290 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: is to create an environment that we can help lift 291 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: or do some of the heavy lifting for them and 292 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: take some of those burdens off, help them be good 293 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: stewards financially in this space without uh stepping across any 294 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: you know, in reboundaries, you know, but try to be 295 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: a voice of reason, a voice of wisdom, a voice 296 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: of experience to help them manage this time in their life. 297 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: And as you know, it's always been really hard going 298 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: to college. It's one of the best, most impactful and 299 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: riching times of your life, and it's also one of the 300 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: most difficult and challenging. You a lot of discovery happens, 301 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of for the first time in 302 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: your life as a young person, you you face real 303 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: life crisis, you know, for the first time many times, 304 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: and so family members passing away, or family member getting 305 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: cancer or uh, you know, you have some real issues 306 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: going on at home, maybe parents split up, and how 307 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: devastating you know that can be. And just kind of 308 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: to name a few, or for the first time their lives, 309 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: they the game has become really hard their opportunities haven't. 310 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: You know, they're facing stiff competition every day, and the 311 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: distractions are there. There's more distractions, you know than there 312 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: ever been on a college campus, whether that's social media, 313 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: that's expectations. Through the recruiting process, everybody shows up and 314 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: they they look at value. I say, everybody, I'm painting 315 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: a broad bush or brush. But I think generally speaking, 316 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: so many look at their value attached to the ball. 317 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: They look at their value attached to a rating system 318 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: that they've been a part of, you know, whether it's 319 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: likes or stars or offers or now there's an nil 320 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: nil value and all these things and the expectations and 321 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: the burdens that go along with that can become enormous, 322 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: not expectations that they necessarily put on themselves. But that's 323 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: by you know, uh, that recruiting space that's with maybe 324 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: at home, and then certainly even you know, maybe a 325 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: fan base when you're getting somebody coming in with mak 326 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: an X or a coach make an X. You know, 327 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: the expectations. And I've always believed that focus on standards, 328 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: not expectations. Expectations are from the outside, and just focus 329 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: focus on doing things a certain way, a certain lifestyle, 330 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 2: is certain work ethic, a certain way that I prepare, 331 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: certain way that I respond, and you know, and giving 332 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: yourself some grace along the way. And so my job 333 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: is to create environment that's safe, that's enriching, that also 334 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: creates challenge and truth. But we got to meet them 335 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: where they're at at the end of the day, and 336 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: they're all in different places in their life, and our 337 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: job is to be a compass for them. And they've 338 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: never been twenty they've never been twenty two, they've never 339 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: been twenty five, they've never been thirty. And so we've 340 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: got to do a great job of planting seeds of perspective, 341 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: of vision of reality of today. You know, right here 342 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: right now the things that we really have an opportunity 343 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: to control and to have impact with and and and 344 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: let okay, some days cool for all of us, Right 345 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: someday that's cool. And I think playing the end game, 346 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: when you're talking about goal setting and achievement and chasing 347 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: you know, success, whatever that looks like for you, your dreams, 348 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: whatever that is, start with the endgame. And then okay, 349 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 2: if I want to get there, what was that? What 350 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: does that look like? You know? Or to get there someday. 351 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: And I think instead of getting paralyzed with someday and 352 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: you got one foot in, one foot on someday and 353 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: one foot today, you know you can't do uh, you 354 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: can't play the game this way. We play with a 355 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: wide base, what's going to happen to you? You're gonna 356 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: get knocked right on your face and every position. So 357 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: you got you know, you got to keep your feet 358 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: underneath you and uh right inside of your shoulder with 359 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: and underneath your hips to play the game that way. 360 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: And I think you've got to live life that way. 361 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: And that's not an easy place for young people or 362 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: old people too, and uh, but we've got to we've 363 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: got to be that Lens for them and uh and so, 364 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: and that's not an easy process. All the while, like 365 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: I said, challenging them and getting them to get in 366 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: the deep ed, you know, be fully immersed in this 367 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: moment in your life. And this is literally just a 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: vapor and before you know it is over. And I 369 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: want these guys to come here and get everything that 370 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 2: the college experience should be about. And so as some 371 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: things have changed, so much of it is the same 372 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 2: and the end goal in mind for us and so 373 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: we want to help maximize this this small window in 374 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: time for them. Uh. And but there's a development piece 375 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: that's that's critical in their babies, but it's his boyhood, 376 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: the manhood and everything that goes in between. We have 377 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: a saying kill the boy and let the man live. 378 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: And that's a that's a real thing. And you you're 379 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: born and you look like your mom and your dad, 380 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: but when you die, you look like your decisions. And 381 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: so we got to get our guys to really value 382 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: those decisions that you make daily. And that's that might 383 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: sound a little bit cliches, but that's, uh, that's that's 384 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: how it works. That's the formula you know for success 385 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: in my opinion, and so I want them to have fun, 386 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: but I want them to put in the work and 387 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: I want to strain them. And the things that, again 388 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: you value the most in life are always the things 389 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: that are hardest to get, not easiest to get. And 390 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: get our guys to to want to go there. And 391 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: I think our guys are are fantastic and uh, you're 392 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna coach them hard, you're gonna love them more 393 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: and uh and I'm a very we're very comfortable, you know, 394 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: in that space, and we try to attract that and 395 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: be very open and honest and transparent. Whether it's portal, 396 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, or that's out of high school. There shouldn't 397 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: be a change up, uh, in how you're recruiting guys. 398 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna get what you earn. This game 399 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: owes you nothing life, Oh you nothing, And you're gonna 400 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: get what you earn Oklahoma. No, we're gonna give Oklahoma nothing. 401 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: And uh and and I want our guys to to 402 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: to hold on to that. And if you do, man, 403 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: that's a real gift that the game will give you. 404 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: Too often guys want to, you know, in this environment, 405 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 2: what can the game give me? And instead of what 406 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: can I give? Back to the game and have a 407 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: be a giver and a do or not a talker 408 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: and a taker and are there does this environment sometimes 409 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: create I want something for nothing mentality? Yeah, I think that. 410 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: So I think waking up every day and your feet 411 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: hit the ground, you've got to constantly nurture the things 412 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: I'm talking about, and you know we're talking about more 413 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: faced in this environment, and you just be genuine and 414 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: be authentic, and you be consistent, you know, with your philosophies, 415 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: your values, your beliefs, you know your standards, and you know, 416 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: I don't. I think the guys will follow. They're looking 417 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: for something to follow that's good and that's strong and 418 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 2: it's consistent. And I know the value of words and 419 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: the value of belief, And I know a lot of 420 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: guys are in our our locker room where they're sitting 421 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: in front of me every single day in the team 422 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: meeting that you know, I might be the strongest male 423 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: in their life, the strongest influence from a from a 424 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: male perspective, and I know the value of that, you know, 425 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: and how impactful uh that that can be, you know. 426 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 2: So we want to be that for our players. And 427 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: but we want to strain them and we want to 428 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: squeeze them to the top and uh, and they're not 429 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: all not going to come in one you know, uh 430 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: pretty box bow uh, you know, and be everything that 431 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: everybody on the outside world expects them to be from 432 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: day one. It doesn't. That's not how it works. It does. 433 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: Literally take what it takes, and you can't change what 434 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: it takes. And so inspiring and motivating and getting the 435 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: guys on their edge of their seat foaming at the 436 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: mouth to go to practice and walk through and meetings 437 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: and recovery and compete. I mean, that's still coaching and 438 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: that's our responts why they call you coach and holding 439 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: my whistle up and that's that's your job as as 440 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: a coach, you know, is to bring out the best 441 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: in your players, don't bring out the worst, and don't 442 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: let the pressures of whatever we're all dealing with, you know, 443 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: affect your vision for you know, the things that it 444 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: takes to be successful and again the joy and you know, 445 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: the passion that you get, the enrichment that you get 446 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: as a byproduct of being a part of these young guys' 447 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 2: life and getting them to do really hard things and 448 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: chasing success. And you know what, washing them get punched 449 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: in the face, it knocked on the ground, and get 450 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: them to value the the opportunity to punch back. And 451 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: for the rest of your life, you're going to have 452 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: to do that. That's forever, you know, And so you know, 453 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: we try to create an environment that nurtures that. And 454 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: so you do that. Certainly, you do that in uh 455 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: in every opportunity you get to be in front of 456 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: the team, you know, at practice or certainly in our 457 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 2: meeting room space one on one in your office. But 458 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: you also how you do what you do, you know 459 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: where you strain them and take take them to the edge, 460 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: you know, get them to learn the value of going 461 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: to the edge, going to some dark places and take 462 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: yourself to those spaces and be comfortable there, like that's 463 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: a good thing. Challenge yourself, be real with yourself, push 464 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 2: expect more, want more. It ain't ever good enough. And 465 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 2: that again, that's a that's a mindset. It's a lifestyle. 466 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: And does it resonate with one hundred percent of your guys? No, 467 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: Can you get guys there and squeeze them to the top. Yeah, 468 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: if they stay and and I see, I see more 469 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: guys what we've seen is from the first year. The 470 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 2: first year, we didn't when I took the job in 471 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 2: December of twenty two, we didn't process anybody out. We 472 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: didn't say anybody you have to leave. It just let's 473 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: just figure this out and what we have and then 474 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: what we we know with the hard numbers, what we 475 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: have coming back with. Several guys come out early for 476 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. I think four or five guys on 477 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: defense came out early, the Nick Benito's, perryon Winfrey, Brian 478 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: Asimoa type of guys. And then we had several guys 479 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: in offense. I think maybe three offensive lineman left early. 480 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: I'm receiver to Kennedy Brooks. It came out early. And 481 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: then Caleb Williams left to sc and Spencer Rattler and 482 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: went to South Carolina. We'd have a scholarship quarterback left. 483 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: We just had to kind of figured it out. And 484 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: then after the first year, then we think we end 485 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: up having fifty three newcomers and then went like the 486 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: forty two newcomers, give or take, and then this year 487 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: we had just barely over thirty. And that's more what 488 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: you want. Twenty five to thirty new guys. That's more 489 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 2: of the norm give or take. You know, it is 490 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: opened in free agency twice a year, and I don't 491 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: want to lose any guys. But the environment has created 492 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: opportunity for the players to try to create more value 493 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: for themselves somewhere else, and so there's a give and take. 494 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: But you want something that is consistent and you have 495 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: great continuity. I think that's what lends to success. You 496 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: know any businesess organization locker room. 497 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: You were talking about something that I vividly remember clicking 498 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: for me. I was twenty nine years old when the 499 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: concept of process oriented thinking over just being goal oriented 500 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: made sense. I'd heard people say it, but as you said, 501 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: I thought it was cliche. I thought it was coach speak. 502 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: If I was listening to a coach say it, or 503 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: if I was listening to a motivational speaker, I'd say, yeah, well, yeah, 504 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: he gets paid to go around the country and say that. 505 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it was just the right person at the 506 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: right time, or the right confluence of events making it 507 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: make sense to me. But then I remember it's one 508 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: thing hearing it and believing it. But then if you 509 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: apply it watching stuff, not immediately but eventually start to 510 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: metastasize in the way that you want it to. But 511 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine years old, thirty years old, thirty one 512 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: years old doing that. And so what I'm marvel at 513 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: when I walk in a building like this is you've got, 514 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: by the product of the environment, there in eighteen or 515 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty year old guys who are really being 516 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: forced to learn that or else they're probably not going 517 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: to be here that longer. They're not going to fulfill 518 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: on their potential. And what it takes some people a 519 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: lifetime to understand. If they do it all, You've got 520 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: a twenty year old who, whether he's an All American 521 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: here and goes on to play fifteen years in the league, 522 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: or he's a serviceable player here, then he goes out 523 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: in the world. He's equipped, he's equipped to basically evangelize 524 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: that portion of life because they get it, because they 525 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: have to get it, because if they don't get it, 526 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: it's not really going to work out here. And I 527 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: remember when I finally started to understand that. I remember thinking, well, 528 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: some of those college kids have been understanding this for 529 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: like a decade. Here I am claiming to cover him 530 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: or talk about him and I had not the slightest 531 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: clue what all that stuff even meant. 532 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we try to talk in some way, shape or 533 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: form remind them, But first of all, we create structure 534 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: in our processes, our routine that kind of keeps him 535 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: down the bowling alley where kind of the bumpers form 536 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: on that bowling alley and kind of keeping them that 537 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: ball moving in one direction, that keeps him from getting distracted. 538 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: And and then I think, I think, are uh, you know, 539 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: and but to say that it's a safe place, that routine, 540 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: it should be a safe place for you. And so 541 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: they have to do it no matter what in order 542 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: to keep their head above water. But the older players, 543 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: the guys that have been here for three or four 544 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: or five years, you know, they're they're one of your 545 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: best conduits to get them to do it at the 546 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: highest level consistently. You know, Hey, man, I wish you 547 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: one day you look at R J. Spears and I 548 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: say this in front of the team, So I wouldn't 549 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: say anything that I in front of you that I 550 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: don't say, you know, to my own guys. But Robert 551 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: as a freshman, you know that just got here out 552 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: of high school, graduated early uh, you know, would constantly 553 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: just be falling asleep. You know, they get heavy eye, 554 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: you know, at the two ten team meeting and and 555 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: i'd you know, call him up and tell him he's 556 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: got to be prepared and get asleep and you know, 557 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: maybe have some chocolate covery coffee beans or something like 558 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: that and show up. You're prepared, you know, And you 559 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: can't do that and be be your best and be 560 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: prepared and go and perform the way you need to perform. 561 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: And so to see that maturation just two and a 562 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: half short years later, and he wouldn't do anything maliciously, 563 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: just that's more norm than not. And like, dang, when 564 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: do I get off this treadmill and that you don't, 565 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: you know, you just get better through it all. And 566 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: to see his growth, his development, the type of leader, 567 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: type of accountability. I mean, he's he's academic, you know, 568 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: achieving at the highest level. He's at one point in time, 569 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: he's the top rated PFF safety and call the College 570 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: football last year. He's going to have an amazing career 571 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: in this game, gonna played a long time after he's 572 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: done it here at Oklahoma. One of the best leaders 573 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: on our team. And to see that maturation, that growth. 574 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: He amongst many others, and we just lost you know, 575 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: three great ones on defense, Ethan Downs, you know, a 576 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: fourth year guy going to the NFL. Billy Bowman another 577 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: fourth year guy, and a Danny Stutsman another with your guy. 578 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: You know, all three of them chose to come back, 579 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, their fourth year get their degrees, finish what 580 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: they started. Impact, Have great self awareness, you know, not 581 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: live in La la land. You know, you got Here's 582 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: what they say I'm valued at. Here's where they say 583 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to get drafted. And but I know myself 584 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: better than anybody, you know, being honest with yourself, having 585 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: great self awareness and saying, you know what, I want 586 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: to go into the most unforgiving league on the planet. 587 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: I want to go in with some leverage, you know. 588 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: I want to go in and not not not play 589 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: in the NFL. I want to stay in the NFL, 590 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: and I want to have a career in the NFL. 591 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: And at the same time, those are the conduits for 592 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: young guys. It's one thing for the coach to say 593 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: it all right. They listen all right, some days better 594 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: than others. But when the players in the locker room, 595 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: the guys that are locked up with in the trenches, 596 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: with every day standing in the in the a gap 597 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: with every single day. When they say it and they 598 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: have had this career of success, it hits differently, and 599 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: so I have a great appreciation, you know, for the leadership, 600 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: guys that have paid the price, guys that have done 601 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: it at a high level. Those are your best resources, 602 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: you know, that you have in this this amazing building. 603 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: You. I mean, you strike me as more of a 604 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: traditionalist with the way you viewed the sport, the way 605 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: you may even view your job, and yet you're a 606 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: traditionalist and an ocean of change right now. And from 607 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: the outside I feel the same way in the inside. 608 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, you know, how much more amplified that 609 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: feeling must be. What are some of the areas that 610 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, obviously ten years ago would have seem crazy 611 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: to you that not only are realities now, but they're 612 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: ones where you're having to look and you're having to say, 613 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: I may not like it, I may have to hold 614 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: my nose a little bit, but we got to do this. 615 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: So we got to do that. We've got to go 616 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: this direction. We've got to have this conversation. 617 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I said it a little bit earlier. There's 618 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: a handful of things, but the player's ability to handle 619 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: this new environment and again seeking value through you know, 620 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: what they're making. And it's so easy because their agents. 621 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: It starts with their agents comparing them to somebody else, 622 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: and that can be you know, mental health is at 623 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: an all time high, and so being sensitive to that 624 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: and helping them, uh, consistently planting the seeds, you know, 625 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: the being open and honest with them daily about not 626 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 2: attaching again their their their value uh to that number 627 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: or to the game, or uh to to anything other 628 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: than you know who they are as a as a 629 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: person and uh, you know their commitment, their toughness there, 630 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: who they are as a teammate, as a brother. And 631 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: then you know, for me dealing with the guys every day, 632 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: knowing in the back of my mind and I'm not 633 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be who I am, uh, but knowing that 634 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: how long is is Johnny or Larry or Mike? How 635 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: long are they going to be here? You know where 636 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: in the past you didn't you you thought about when 637 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: they're a senior, you know, that's when they're gonna They're 638 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: gonna leave. After their senior. And now from the moment 639 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: they get here, the moment they sign on the dotted line, 640 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: you know that, Hey, after their first semester on campus, 641 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: they could leave. And I'm like, I'm laughing, It doesn't 642 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me, only because everybody in college football. 643 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: That's the new environment. So you deal with it. So 644 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: how do you do that? Well, may just continue to 645 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 2: be who you've been again, be real, be genuine, be honest. 646 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: Don't compromise your standards. Uh, don't compromise the things that 647 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,959 Speaker 2: you know it's going to take for him to reach 648 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: all of his goals. And so that's educationally, getting their degree, 649 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: becoming a great strong man through the game of football, 650 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: having an amazing college experience, being developed into an assassin 651 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: as a football player, and just being prepared for their life. 652 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: What that looks like well beyond the game. So start that. 653 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: Don't change any any of that up from the get go. 654 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: But no, byproduct of the environment, they might leave. And 655 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: you want to give them the things I'm talking about, 656 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: things to attach you know, you know, themselves to other 657 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 2: than a depth chart. And I don't worry about the 658 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: depth chart. That always takes care of itself. Create value 659 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 2: for yourself by how you do what you do, how 660 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: hard you work, your sacrifice, your ability to overcome, come back, 661 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: punch back, all those things we're talking about in the 662 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 2: day to day you know, demands and the grind of 663 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, this environment. And then so those two things 664 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: in particular, and and you know, but not lose sight 665 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: of the main thing and getting their degree. We just 666 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: had our fifth straight record setting semester academically over a 667 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 2: three point oh team GPA, and we have fifty one 668 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: business majors as the top major on our team. And 669 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: so when we started, you know, we were closer to 670 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 2: a two point oh than we were a three point 671 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: oh embarrassingly speaking. And but we've changed the mindset and 672 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 2: the goal and just having great habits. You know, we 673 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 2: we become whatever our strongest thoughts are and whatever our 674 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: strongest habits are. And so just developing great habits and 675 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 2: showing up every single day and and so again making 676 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 2: sure that there is you know, there is that life 677 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: you know after football, and there's there's a plane that's 678 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: you know, it's going to crash to some degree. Uh, 679 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: you know, what are these guys and this conversations that 680 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: I've literally had two team conversations in the last week 681 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: and a half that said something to the effect of 682 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: some of you we got over, you know, half of 683 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 2: our roster, you know, making six figures plus maybe three 684 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: quarters of it. And and that's cool, great, but guess what, 685 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 2: in a in a very short amount of time, there's 686 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: a better chance than not that that's not going to 687 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: be reality. Okay, And and so you better have the 688 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 2: right personive And I listen, man, I want to help 689 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: facilitate you. And there's no doubt we can help facilitate 690 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 2: this opportunity. You play this game a long time, but 691 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: that day's coming quickly when you got to hang the 692 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 2: cleet up. Now what and the what's what's on the 693 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: other side of it? None of us have ever been there, 694 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 2: but we know what's coming. And some of these guys 695 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 2: making three four, five hundred thousand dollars that you know, 696 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: you know, they might be a day three, you know 697 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: opportunity in the NFL at best, and then after that 698 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 2: it's one, two, three years max. And then and then 699 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 2: now what. And so we have a you know process 700 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 2: set up here in our life Skills and Development program. 701 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: We call it sole Mission. We have an internship opportunities, 702 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: and we we've got you know, several of our players 703 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: in the month of May. They've already interviewed, they prepped. Yesterday, 704 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: we had a we had a reveal to the whole team, 705 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: you know, as we're talking about six two miles miles 706 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: and what we're getting ready to do on practice six, 707 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: first day back from spring break, and you know, the 708 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: good and the bad and the other of what we've accomplished, 709 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: what we got to get better at all those things. Hey, 710 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: we're also gonna have a reveal. We're gonna have a celebration. 711 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: And so Caleb Kelly, our director of Career Development, senior 712 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: director of Soul Mission, you know, he's he's given these 713 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 2: guys layups, how to network, how to interview, resume prep. Uh. 714 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 2: And then all these fortune five hundred companies coming right 715 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 2: in this space that we're in right now, and they 716 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,959 Speaker 2: interviewed over a several day period and they have internship opportunities, 717 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: paid internship opportunities coast to coast, from Florida to California 718 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 2: to the East Coast and everywhere in between. To work 719 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: for with some of the best, you know, leaders in 720 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 2: every industry. You can imagine and I want to challenge 721 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 2: our guys. You know, what are your other passions away 722 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 2: from the game of football. I want to stir that up, 723 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, And this comes from somebody that in my 724 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 2: exit meeting with Bill Schneider, I knew I didn't know 725 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: what else I was good at. You know, I didn't 726 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: have comp I didn't haven't I don't have a resume, 727 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: I don't know how to network. I don't know how 728 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: to ask the right question. Junes and I was speaking 729 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: on behalf of a locker room, and I had an amazing 730 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 2: college experience, but through thirty years of being a part 731 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: of a college locker room, I know that this is 732 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: a bridge that I and we are responsible for and 733 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: we've got to build that bridge. And you do it. Oh, 734 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 2: you've got to go, and I make them go. I 735 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 2: make them all go to the networking and the career 736 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: development and then you got to decide from there. You know, 737 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: I can't want it more for you than you want 738 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: it for yourself. But I can be a light for 739 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: you because I have been twenty five and thirty and 740 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: thirty five and forty and so you don't know what 741 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: you don't know, but you know we want to inspire 742 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 2: and motivate and challenge and be honest and real. So 743 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: yesterday we had to reveal we had several guys. It 744 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 2: took thirty minutes to reveal these guys being drafted to 745 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 2: a company of some sort and what they would be 746 00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 2: doing in real estate, financials, professional sports, health care, and 747 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 2: everything you know in between. And so that was really cool. 748 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 2: And for the ones that didn't choose to do that, 749 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: I want to. I want to inspire them and get 750 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 2: them excited about what those opportunities look like like successful people. 751 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 2: They want to surround themselve their circle are successful people. 752 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 2: And but the people that show up here that love 753 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: Oklahoma football, they want to help you be successful. Man, 754 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 2: you gotta you got to learn how to endear yourself 755 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 2: to them. And so we are programming our processes from 756 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 2: a calendar year standpoint, are set up in such a 757 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: way to help them to have balance in their life, 758 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 2: to help them deal with a mental health and because 759 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 2: those are the weights that are really there that maybe 760 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: they're not honest about, or maybe those are some spaces 761 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 2: of discovery that have created some of the mental health 762 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 2: issues that Man, we've we've kicked the door in for them, 763 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 2: and they still takes action. You've got to step through, 764 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 2: and but we're going to really try to give them 765 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: alley oops that way and then that's a you're around 766 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 2: thing that I'm passionate about that and and that's my 767 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: responsibility is to get them excited. Okay, well I can't 768 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 2: make them do it, well, man, I can. I can 769 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: motivate them to do it. And it's not just me. 770 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 2: There's a there's a there's depths and layers of people here, 771 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 2: their coaches. We all have to buy into that and 772 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 2: be passionate about that. I'm excited about this. Some people 773 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 2: may not think that's our responsibility, and I think you're 774 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 2: crazy as hell, uh to think that's not our responsibility. 775 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 2: And I love that and I love the the people 776 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 2: that are passionate about that in that space. And that's 777 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 2: one way that we try to help them deal with. Okay, 778 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 2: the the money that they're making now and again the opportunities, 779 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: let's maximize that. That's great. But we also do budgeting, 780 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, in uh, investment, uh, you know, education every 781 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 2: single day at lunchtime with real professionals that are they're 782 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: just to to you know, to to help you out 783 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 2: and to help you have big vision and not a 784 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 2: short term, short turn mindset. 785 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: What's wild is if I'm watching this or listening to 786 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: this right now, you have talked about thirty seven different 787 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: layers of the job of head coach. We haven't even 788 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: talked about calling a defensive play. None of that has 789 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: even entered the conversation yet. But you're gonna do that 790 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: again this year. So you see it every now and then, 791 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: a guy who is very heralded on one side of 792 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: the ball to such a degree he gets a head 793 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: coaching opportunity. The first question is will hear won't he 794 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: call his plays? And then maybe you outsource it to 795 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator, and then you 796 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: reassume those reigns. But in today's world, you just mentioned 797 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: a mountain of extracurricular roles that you have that you 798 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: used to not have to worry about. And Larry and 799 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: Lawton are like Charles and Chickashet. They may listen to 800 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: that and say, does he even have time? Can he 801 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: even expend the energy to dedicate to all these buckets 802 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: to where they're as full as. 803 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 2: They need to be. 804 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: When you analyzed the entire landscape of your job and 805 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 1: then said, I'm reassuming this role. What was that process like. 806 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 2: Well, again, I'll just say this, and it's not. You know, 807 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 2: I'm not the director of Soul Mission and I'm not 808 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 2: in the interview process. So I've hired really good people 809 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: that are really good at in those different roles. Do 810 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,959 Speaker 2: I bear some responsibility there? Yeah, that's in the team 811 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 2: meeting that I'm going to be in no matter what 812 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,720 Speaker 2: as a as a coordinator, I'm in that meeting. Usually 813 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: I was. I was, you know, going through you know films, 814 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 2: they just do an extra work, paying attention to the 815 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 2: to the head man two. But instead I'm running the 816 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 2: team meeting and I'm planting those seats, and to me, 817 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 2: it's organically it's all one to me. So I've hired 818 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: good people that can do, you know, a great job 819 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 2: in those different roles. And but for me again, at 820 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 2: twenty three, I called the defense and we made another 821 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 2: big jump from twenty two to twenty three in every 822 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 2: category defensively, and that's a very comfortable space to me. 823 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,240 Speaker 2: But whether we're successful or not on offense or defense 824 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 2: or as a team, it's a collaboration of all of 825 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: us together. And but instinctively, that's a very natural space 826 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: for me. And I got a great staff that we 827 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 2: several of us have been together for a long time. So, uh, 828 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 2: there's a deep understanding of how we do what we do. 829 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 2: And so they give me a lot of layups in 830 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 2: my role. And and then there's a trust factor in, 831 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: you know, the people that I've hired to help me, 832 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 2: you know, do a good job in whatever role that 833 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: I have. But you know, when you're when you're calling 834 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 2: the defense, you know, I'm paying attention when the offense 835 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 2: is out there. I'm paying attention when the defense is 836 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 2: out there. When the defense is not, I say, hey, 837 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 2: don't forget, we got to cover X, y Z. But 838 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: the coaches already know what we got to cover, you know, 839 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 2: And so we've I've got position coaches, I've got linebacker 840 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 2: coaches that are fantastic at what they do. Wes Goodwin, 841 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 2: he's been a top fifteen, top ten, top five, a 842 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. He's done a fabulous job. I've been with 843 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 2: for over a decade. And h Nate Drowling, Uh, he's 844 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 2: just a winner. All he does is win. You know. 845 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 2: He won four state high school championships. He won uh. 846 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: He was a four time All American in college. He 847 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 2: was a fresh National Freshman of the Year. He led 848 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 2: college football and tackles as a freshman, and he was 849 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 2: a National Defensive Player of the Year, won a national 850 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 2: championship as a seen year. Alls he's done is win. 851 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 2: So those are my you know, hands on linebacker coaches. 852 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 2: I've got my fingerprints all over the whole defense. Always have, 853 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 2: always will, regardless of whatever role we have. But two 854 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 2: years ago I called it. We won ten games. We uh, 855 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 2: we lost two to one score games on the road. 856 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 2: We if we make a field goal and one of 857 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 2: them we played Texas again for the Big Twelve championship 858 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 2: and a chance to go to the playoffs. So whatever 859 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 2: we did that year was pretty It was decent, you know, 860 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 2: not good enough, but it was decent. And uh, and 861 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 2: I expect to be you know, even better, you know now. 862 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about this role. And I looked 863 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 2: at it like why why trust you know, a first 864 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 2: time play caller at Oklahoma more than me and for 865 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 2: a long time as a play caller here and and 866 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 2: and in college football, and it's just again a very 867 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 2: comfortable space, you know for me. But I've got a 868 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 2: tremendous staff that I always have. If I've been really successful, 869 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 2: it's because of the great players that we've coached and 870 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: the great staff that we have, and that'll be no 871 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,439 Speaker 2: different this year. 872 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: You got an offensive coordinator quarterback combo coming in doesn't 873 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: normally work like that. And I think even non Oklahoma 874 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: fans took notice when they saw the moves happen, and 875 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: given the way last year's trajectory went, and you know, 876 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: I correlated it was with struggle at the quarterback position. 877 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: John Mattier is the name everyone knows. They probably don't 878 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: know his profile as a player because most of America 879 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: probably hadn't watched him to the degree that you have. 880 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: So right, so now you've got him in the building 881 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: a little bit and you're going through as we're talking 882 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: the early portions of spring. He he's talented, or he 883 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. Beyond the talent profile, what have you 884 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: seen in him? 885 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 2: It's how competitive he is, got great self awareness, hard 886 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 2: and tough on himself, expects a lot, knows how to respond, 887 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 2: come back, punch back every day. But he's a he's 888 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 2: a gym rat. He's up here all day, every day 889 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 2: in a very comfortable place because he's he likes his coaches, 890 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 2: he likes to be around the game, and he's constantly 891 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 2: asking how can I be better? He's asking me, he's 892 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 2: asking everybody. You know, maybe it's how can I be 893 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 2: better as a leader? You know, who do I need 894 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 2: to connect with? On defense? How do I? How do I? 895 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 2: How can I be better as a quarterback? Versus this 896 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 2: certain look? You know, what are the answers. He's hungry, 897 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 2: he's thirsty, self deprecating, he's funny. He'll chop it up 898 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 2: with you so you can you can bust him up, 899 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 2: and he takes it well and give it back. And 900 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 2: then as a leader man, he's got incredible focus, laser 901 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 2: being focused when he's out there, incredibly competitive, but he 902 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 2: knows how to build relationships with people. That's a very 903 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,359 Speaker 2: naturally organic thing for him. 904 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: You know what's weird is a few minutes ago you 905 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: were talking about last year, and of the many things 906 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: that you identified, you wanted recovery less injurious. That's really 907 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: what you want, that's the goal. I don't know if 908 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: you feel this way. I've talked to coaches sometimes and 909 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: of course you can identify if your guys aren't ready, 910 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: if your guys aren't fresh, if he's not available, I 911 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,799 Speaker 1: can't win with him, he can't play. But yet they 912 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: fall well short of being able to diagnose what the 913 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: problem is. They're not a doctor, they're not a medical expert. 914 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: So you hope you have the right people in the 915 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 1: building to give you the proper feedback. 916 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 2: But how weird a spot is it? 917 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes when you're looking and you're saying, well, I know 918 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,240 Speaker 1: the problem, but the guy sitting at home knows the problem. 919 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: My left tackle's not starting. But then you're kind of 920 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: unless you're a medical professional, you're kind of out on 921 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: an island having to blindly trust people when they're giving 922 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: you the feedback. And then you got to determine, are 923 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: we here the changes we need to make so we 924 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: lessen the percentage chance that this happens in the future. 925 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: Does that feel like it's wheelhouse stuff or is that kind. 926 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 2: Of a little bit Yeah, I'd be lying if I 927 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 2: said it didn't. And uh, but that's no different than 928 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 2: it has been any other year. Just you had a 929 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 2: lout and it was kind of on one side of 930 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,879 Speaker 2: the ball, was you know, really didn't affect the defense yeah. 931 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 2: Uh so they were at the same practices and on 932 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 2: the same training regiment and things of that nature. So 933 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 2: I really believe uh, you know, mostly it was you know, 934 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 2: just being snaked. It just one of those years and 935 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 2: you have first year quarterbacks or squeezing the ball and 936 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 2: they you know, we we we something that was unique 937 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 2: that you know, we lost uh all five starting offensive 938 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 2: lineman from the previous year. Uh we had two guys 939 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 2: come out or three guys that came out early and 940 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 2: then and then we lost one to the transfer portal 941 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 2: and uh and then some of the next group of 942 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 2: guys we lost for those next five guys, and so 943 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 2: that was that's that's a lot you know when uh 944 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 2: so now you're you're essentially playing guys that were threes 945 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 2: uh the previous year. Maybe baptize them before they're they're 946 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 2: they're quite ready at protecting a quarterback. Going into this 947 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 2: league that had the the depth of uh and the 948 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 2: quality of defenses that you saw you know every single 949 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 2: week virtually, so very unforgiving league that we knew going 950 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,399 Speaker 2: in was a you know, it was it was one 951 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,879 Speaker 2: possession league and it and it played that way out 952 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 2: you know, throughout the course of the year, the challenge 953 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 2: is there and the course and then all your playmakers 954 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 2: at receiver UH as well. And so you got these 955 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 2: first year UH starting quarterbacks and there's a lot of 956 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,399 Speaker 2: challenges there, and so you're you're quick not to rush 957 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 2: to judgment, but you're always looking how can we be 958 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,840 Speaker 2: more efficient? You know, things you're are going to get leaner, 959 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, from a roster standpoint, a roster reti nsion standpoint, 960 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,399 Speaker 2: And so you know the season's going to lengthen if 961 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 2: it goes the way you want it to go, and 962 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 2: but you have less to deal with, and so how 963 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 2: can you be you know, more efficient? So you have 964 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 2: to you have to knew organically whether you had a 965 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 2: bunch of injuries or not. Organically, you had to think 966 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 2: differently and all your your methods had to slightly be 967 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 2: adjusted in whatever degree. But but this ain't the NFL. 968 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 2: These are babies, and most of these guys percentage percentage wise, 969 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,439 Speaker 2: they're not going to play in the NFL. You might 970 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, it might be a different percentage. Maybe it's 971 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 2: ninety percent would never make an opening day roster in 972 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 2: the NFL. And that's a lot of guys and so 973 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 2: there's a development piece. These are not twenty two, twenty three, 974 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty eight thirty year old NFL players, and 975 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 2: so they don't They have a lot of tread on 976 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 2: their tires. And and if you own to play tough 977 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 2: and learn how to tackle, then you got to do it. 978 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 2: But you have to be much more mindful. And so 979 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 2: we've tried to do that. We've we've we've done a 980 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 2: lot of re search and we'll continue to do that. 981 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 2: There's analytics that you're always looking at sports science. There's 982 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 2: a lot that goes in that. But your your sports 983 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 2: performance team, who I have you know, great faith and 984 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 2: trust in. I think we've got one of the best 985 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 2: in all of college football. There has to be a 986 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 2: synergy and a continuity there and a willingness to adapt 987 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 2: and pivot, you know, in the space that we need 988 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 2: to to be best in class, you know, moving forward. 989 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 2: So there's resources and people and an alignment you know 990 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 2: that needs to be on point. 991 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: I'll get you out of here on this outside of 992 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,279 Speaker 1: just result oriented stuff. Yeah, you'd love to just win 993 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: every game this fall. If I can't guarantee you that, 994 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: but I could guarantee you one intangible I'm gonna grant 995 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 1: you just one intangible wish. It's gonna go your way 996 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: for this team specifically, what would you love to just 997 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,240 Speaker 1: have guarantee. 998 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 2: That's we have an offense and a defense that compliment 999 00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 2: for one another, that compliment one another, not compensate you 1000 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 2: for one another. 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