Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened? Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock at
Speaker 1: the chin. He's still the twenty He's the twenty five
Speaker 1: party to the board of yarline to history, fifty forty,
Speaker 1: the thirty yards Michael Rock, Michael Run, Michael run to
Speaker 1: stop Tapola. There you go, and then sixty two yard
Speaker 1: field goal attempts. It is God, God, God, God, box
Speaker 1: be the Eagles, who can forget again? I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the already Derek Boks dilready touchdown table day, Derek Brooks,
Speaker 1: the lost pariotal player in the national football Like there
Speaker 1: it is the Daggers in where you're gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We call them the Salty Dogs. Welcome everybody
Speaker 1: to the Sunny Dogs Podcast, the Soup number five. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be bad. We are the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 1: And men boys. You just heard was Jeff Ryan and
Speaker 1: I am Scott Smith, and uh we you have a
Speaker 1: special one for you. They're all kind of special, kind
Speaker 1: of when you only have five of them. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like if you have five kids, if you're on this show,
Speaker 1: it's special. No matter if this is a show, or
Speaker 1: how many kids you have to have before like they've
Speaker 1: become not special anymore. I think every child is special,
Speaker 1: Isn't that nice? So these are our kids, and today's
Speaker 1: guest is the first time we've had a current player.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna get something, you want to tell stories.
Speaker 1: Let's start with a guy who's been around here the
Speaker 1: longest and one of the great all time guys, just
Speaker 1: really way back he is. He's always been one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. And I like him because he wasn't drafted.
Speaker 1: He's the underdog. He's proved himself over and over again,
Speaker 1: and you know, I like that, and I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: him about that because, um, he's got a really interesting
Speaker 1: origin story. So we'll get to that here pretty soon.
Speaker 1: But let's just catch up on what's going on. First
Speaker 1: of all, we've had another game since the last podcast
Speaker 1: of preseason. Very long game. Yeah, delayed by an hour,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jeff, I know it's a preseason game.
Speaker 1: I know it. And we went in six and that's
Speaker 1: really what mattered. Basically, our starters, both teams played all
Speaker 1: their stars of first half, and just because of the
Speaker 1: lateness and the delay, coach Cutter decided not to send
Speaker 1: his stars back out in the second half. The Lions did.
Speaker 1: The Lions did for a couple of series or two,
Speaker 1: and that's not there's that's not a problem for either side.
Speaker 1: That's just what it was. By the time that stretch
Speaker 1: was over, the Bucks were winning twenty seven six. That's
Speaker 1: what matters. Yet I'm sitting there in the press box
Speaker 1: and I'm getting so angry when they were coming back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why do I care? It doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: I couldn't help. But I was so mad because you're
Speaker 1: in a competitive individual. If we had to fight for
Speaker 1: that bottle of water, you'd have me on exactly No.
Speaker 1: But I knew, like ten minutes after the game, I
Speaker 1: knew it didn't matter. Maybe it's because I knew I
Speaker 1: was going to rewrite the intro to my story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just good to win, you know.
Speaker 1: And and if you ever take losing like it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: then then that's an issue. I know what happened. Remember
Speaker 1: last time we were saying we were talking about the
Speaker 1: two four no teams, the two teams that went oh
Speaker 1: in sixteen Detroit and uh and in Cleveland, last year
Speaker 1: and four season, so we said we need to lose
Speaker 1: one of these times. We didn' perfect. You did well
Speaker 1: enough to feel like you win, but you didn't win
Speaker 1: well brilliant. The thing is, though, the team played really,
Speaker 1: really well, and and I'm not the only one, there's
Speaker 1: a number of people are starting to agree on this.
Speaker 1: What we saw was very exciting. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: how good Detroit's going to be, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day that it was their starters also, so yes,
Speaker 1: and so I did like that. You know, if you've
Speaker 1: got three wide receivers who were killing it all at
Speaker 1: the same time, you can get excited about playing them
Speaker 1: all together. In the field. We have three quarterbacks who
Speaker 1: are playing really well, but you can only play one
Speaker 1: of them. You know, they're combined pass running for fits
Speaker 1: and Griffin and Jameis Winston is combined. There's six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: no interceptions, they're they're all playing fantastic, but only one
Speaker 1: of them is gonna play at the time unless we
Speaker 1: come up some crazy. But it is a nice feeling
Speaker 1: though that if something doesn't go right, you got someone
Speaker 1: ready to go. And and Ryan Griffin it's just really
Speaker 1: impressed me. It's It's been very exciting to watch him play.
Speaker 1: He's got some good touch. You know, the difference when
Speaker 1: you see and this year it's Austin Allen. When you
Speaker 1: see that guy who's new and he might be talented
Speaker 1: to um, but he's new to the NFL into the
Speaker 1: buck system, and it's the level difficulty is so much harder.
Speaker 1: And then you see Ryan Griffin. You know, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: never taken a regular season snaps, so in some ways
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of experience, but he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. When he's out there, he's in
Speaker 1: control and he's calm. And I know he's generally played
Speaker 1: against with reserves against reserves, and you have to factor
Speaker 1: that in, but he himself has looked calm and look
Speaker 1: like he can make the throws. And he also understood
Speaker 1: what the play was right. And then you get the
Speaker 1: rookie at the end, he's thrown in there. It's tough.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Austin Allen gets a chance to play
Speaker 1: two or three quarters on Thursday and acquits himself nicely.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets that opportunity. He's putting tape out
Speaker 1: there for thirty two teams as people are find of
Speaker 1: saying this time of the year and that you only
Speaker 1: way is you have to You don't know who's watching. Ever,
Speaker 1: It's kind of like doing a show like this. You
Speaker 1: don't know who's listening. You know, NBC could be calling
Speaker 1: you soon. Who knows. I think the mar is gonna
Speaker 1: be listening. Yes, I hope so. Yeah, he said he
Speaker 1: wanted to. He was. He was happy way at the show. Um.
Speaker 1: What else I liked from this game? The first drive.
Speaker 1: The one thing we hadn't done well to that to
Speaker 1: this point was run the ball. Ran the ball very
Speaker 1: well on that drive. It was all Peyton Barber and
Speaker 1: he every single one of his runs is good. I
Speaker 1: mean every play on that drive except for one to
Speaker 1: gather Let's say, you know how many how many players
Speaker 1: in the drive looks like there was eight eight plays
Speaker 1: and drive. Every play had at least got at least
Speaker 1: four yards except one that got three yards. If you
Speaker 1: can do that on a regular basis, you're going to
Speaker 1: move the ball to score points. What I liked even
Speaker 1: more about it is it was an hour before. It
Speaker 1: was an hour delay, and they came out and they
Speaker 1: started fast. That's what I like. All of our games.
Speaker 1: Our guys are starting fast this year, and that was
Speaker 1: so huge actually not just last year but for years
Speaker 1: now starting fast and and because and because of the disruption,
Speaker 1: and it is a disruption not only for the for
Speaker 1: the players. Something is a disruption for everybody. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I mean, we we were on the air
Speaker 1: for an hour. Well, and I'm happy because I've got
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that will talk forever with with
Speaker 1: the Gene and d J and David there we've had
Speaker 1: on our show. Sure, And then we were taking questions.
Speaker 1: So it was fun in that aspect. But you know,
Speaker 1: you want to kick off. When it's time to kick off,
Speaker 1: you're ready to go. And and so I did like
Speaker 1: the fact how whatever Dirk did with you know, getting
Speaker 1: the guys focus for that period of time because you're
Speaker 1: just they're just sitting around in the locker room. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know. Another problem with those like hour long delays
Speaker 1: before games is that the Bucks probably have the best
Speaker 1: Press Fox food in the league. It's certainly up there,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's a problem when you have an extra
Speaker 1: hour and around to eat. Yes, it's it's all good,
Speaker 1: but it was, But but all in all, it was
Speaker 1: a fun game. I enjoyed it. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Um, we've had a couple we've had a
Speaker 1: couple of guys go on. I R since the last
Speaker 1: time we talked, Charles Sims, he's had rough luck. So
Speaker 1: I think about Charles Simms in that two thousand fifteen
Speaker 1: season when he was able to play sixteen games and
Speaker 1: the offense was good. He looked great, and so he's
Speaker 1: he's got skills, he's had some he's had some rough
Speaker 1: luck and it happened to him again. I guess I
Speaker 1: should say Charles Sims third, right, Yes, Pete, don't start that.
Speaker 1: Unless your father played in the NFL. There's only a
Speaker 1: few that can go. As you know, the second it
Speaker 1: made sense for Kevin Winslow where yes, unfortunately he didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, play as well as his father did. Understates
Speaker 1: he's had trouble living up to he's had trouble just
Speaker 1: he just had the trouble living life. But that's a
Speaker 1: whole other story. But no, I I yeah, I I
Speaker 1: don't understand, and I mean I guess, I guess you're
Speaker 1: paying respect to your father and all of that, but
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know your dad, So if you're
Speaker 1: the third, I'm not going to confusion with your But
Speaker 1: that's a salty dog. I was gonna say. I had
Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to be salty. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And then it keeps me going. A
Speaker 1: fortunate thing for Sergio Bailey, the rookie wide receiver who
Speaker 1: was having such a good preseason in camp, he gets
Speaker 1: hurt in warm up. Scott, I watched it. I saw
Speaker 1: it happen. It was crazy because we were, you know,
Speaker 1: as they were starting to warm up. We're on the clock. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, we need to know when they're going to
Speaker 1: kick off. There's certain things in a broadcast that has
Speaker 1: to be done, has to be timed out. So I
Speaker 1: am looking on the field trying to figure out a
Speaker 1: couple of things, and I saw him go down, and
Speaker 1: uh immediately grabbed the binocular because I don't know who
Speaker 1: it was, and um, it didn't look good from the
Speaker 1: get go. It clearly wasn't because that night and my
Speaker 1: heart went out for to him because Dirk Hutter just
Speaker 1: got done sane the week before. He was a guy
Speaker 1: that was standing out and so here's his opportunity to
Speaker 1: perhaps if he doesn't make this squad, perhaps and on
Speaker 1: the practice squad or someone else picks him up, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was such a flukey bad luck. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of and I was tweeting about this before
Speaker 1: the game. Reminds me of um Paris Warren at the
Speaker 1: end of the two thousand seven preseason Uh. And he
Speaker 1: catches in the fourth preseason game, he catches the winning
Speaker 1: touchdown pass at the end of the game, flying over
Speaker 1: the goal line as he catches it, and but he's
Speaker 1: tackled in a weird way and he breaks his leg.
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. And Coach Gruden came out and
Speaker 1: said he had done enough, he was going to make
Speaker 1: the team. This is maybe a little bit different. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Sergio had a great shot at making the
Speaker 1: fifty three because it's so deep there, but I think
Speaker 1: he had a shot at well, yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: he had a shot at maybe the practice squad, but
Speaker 1: someone else could pick him up. It's still such a
Speaker 1: bad luck because coach Cutter said they kind of abbreviated
Speaker 1: their warm up and they only ran four plays. They
Speaker 1: did some their stuff, but full team plays are in
Speaker 1: four of them. It was them and it didn't. He
Speaker 1: was planting and it slipped and that was that ankle.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it just looked like he slipped. It's
Speaker 1: a shame. Silver lining for Sergio though, he got put
Speaker 1: on injured reserve. This time of year, when guys, especially
Speaker 1: young guys who who were long shots anyway, get injured,
Speaker 1: you evaluate their injury and if it's determined that's gonna
Speaker 1: take six weeks to get back, they're usually waved injured,
Speaker 1: and then you reach an injury settlement with them that
Speaker 1: basically pays them the amount of time it would have
Speaker 1: They would have been paid until they got back, and
Speaker 1: then they're allowed to go and find employment elsewhere. Um
Speaker 1: Sergio was actually and it's a new rule that allows
Speaker 1: us to happen, and I think it has to do
Speaker 1: with the severity of the injury. But he went directly
Speaker 1: to injured reserve so he didn't have to go through waivers,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't. He's not gonna be waived. He'll stay
Speaker 1: on injured reserve for the whole year, so he'll still
Speaker 1: be around, he'll get to rehab here, he could still
Speaker 1: learn from his coaches. Uh No, he won't get it
Speaker 1: has to be on the practice squad and hone his
Speaker 1: game and maybe at some point he promoted, but he
Speaker 1: certainly will have a chance to heal and be back
Speaker 1: again next year. So it's it's a blip for him,
Speaker 1: but he was doing so well that hopefully we're gonna
Speaker 1: we haven't heard the last one. I do like that,
Speaker 1: silver lining. I like that. I like that a lot
Speaker 1: from the dark clouds of Friday night, but there was
Speaker 1: there was a fun thing, and that was the what
Speaker 1: what would we call it? Six? It was a hundred
Speaker 1: nine yard not a pun returning, how yet, well we
Speaker 1: will that's why bringing it up. Yeah, I'm just uh,
Speaker 1: it's a field goal return. How do they I can't
Speaker 1: return up the missfield? Okay, they'll tell you's a hundred
Speaker 1: nine yards. It doesn't going to any stats, no, but
Speaker 1: it's an it was an electric play and it was
Speaker 1: an exciting play on what I was really happy about.
Speaker 1: We nailed it. When I say we, I say, Jean,
Speaker 1: he nailed it totally. And and I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: listen to it right now. It is. Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 1: It's really good. You're ready, all right? Here it goes sixty.
Speaker 1: Here's the spot. The kick is going to be short
Speaker 1: can be returned by Humphreys p frees Ros to the
Speaker 1: fifteen po Frees to the twenty Potfrees was to the
Speaker 1: left side of the Cowboy Huffres to the thirty five
Speaker 1: Humphreys to the forty Humphries to the fifty Parallels to
Speaker 1: the forty got a block to the thirty Huffres to
Speaker 1: the twenty Humphres to the Chad hop Frisba scar Hey
Speaker 1: touchdown Champa Bay one hundred of dine Yard sick returned
Speaker 1: by and I'm Huffrees. How about that bad portrayal? Oh man,
Speaker 1: you're right, that was great that he was. It was
Speaker 1: funny because it was I have to give credit. It
Speaker 1: was a group effort because um you you you have
Speaker 1: to be watching the whole field. And for him, he's
Speaker 1: got a set up. He's looking at you know, it's
Speaker 1: a sixty three yarder. He's got to set up every
Speaker 1: the whole play for you and uh in his ear
Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll give t J credit. T J
Speaker 1: was on the sideline and he goes Humphries underneath the
Speaker 1: goal post, which I saw, and I go to Jean
Speaker 1: in his ear, Humphreys under the goal post, for he's
Speaker 1: under the goal post, so when it comes when it
Speaker 1: came down, he knew exactly who was there at that time.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't get a gene call. That doesn't get
Speaker 1: any better, doesn't get anything. You probably know now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know at the time the sequence
Speaker 1: of events there. Um, they called the time out and
Speaker 1: before their field goal and then before we're gonna they
Speaker 1: were gonna kick, we called a time out, and and
Speaker 1: your first reaction is, are we seriously I seeing the
Speaker 1: kicker in a preseason game on a sixty two yard
Speaker 1: or at halftime. But that wasn't why Chris Conti I assume,
Speaker 1: alertly on his own had gone down to field a
Speaker 1: potential missed field goal because it's an opportunity and someby
Speaker 1: should take advantage. So kudos to him. But coach obviously
Speaker 1: recognized what was going on to call to play. But
Speaker 1: I mean called the time out and put Adam out
Speaker 1: there and the rest of his history, I mean, you cannot.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a preseason game, it's still
Speaker 1: electrifying and as alertly Greg Ahman of now, if the
Speaker 1: Athletic pointed out the previous week the Buccaneers practiced that
Speaker 1: specific situation in practice, and it's funny the different situations
Speaker 1: they practice. Dirk made a comment after the game that
Speaker 1: they almost had one last year, but he but he
Speaker 1: got yeah, and but he came out and got hit
Speaker 1: around the thirty. But it was the same setup. So
Speaker 1: it's it's not like, oh, you surprised the Buccaneers on
Speaker 1: this one. It's funny that they you don't think about it,
Speaker 1: but they practice those those things will happen by accident. Uh,
Speaker 1: they practice. You're up by six and you're it's fourth down,
Speaker 1: your backed up way by your own goal, and you
Speaker 1: get in punt formation, but there's hardly any time left
Speaker 1: in the game, so you might as well just take
Speaker 1: a safety so you can do a safer free kick
Speaker 1: because there's not much difference between being up by four
Speaker 1: and being up by six. That might happen once every
Speaker 1: three years to a team, but you still practice it
Speaker 1: because when it happens, you gotta be ready. In the
Speaker 1: punter has to know he's supposed to take the snap
Speaker 1: and run over here. And I mean for that play
Speaker 1: to work, there's a lot of things that have to happen.
Speaker 1: Everybody has to do their job. Everybody has to and
Speaker 1: what was perfect and the whole time is Jeans doing
Speaker 1: the call. I'm going no flag, no flag, because I
Speaker 1: mean that was all I was looking for, and no
Speaker 1: flag once Adam broke free and you could see he
Speaker 1: was gonna make it. I was looking at all ours
Speaker 1: so field trying to find that yellow. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was fun. The reason that play works is because
Speaker 1: a field goal team has made up largely of big
Speaker 1: blocking guys and they're not good at open field tackling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dave pointed that out that yeah, he pointed it out
Speaker 1: that he goes, Yeah, once it goes, you got a
Speaker 1: better shot at it, and you only I know we're
Speaker 1: running a little longer. But the other thing I want
Speaker 1: to bring up, and we talked about this and you
Speaker 1: actually tweeted it out during the game. If we run long,
Speaker 1: we can just we can just cancel the Mars part.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we don't need Yeah, sure that'll go that.
Speaker 1: That'll be a crowd please. Um. You brought up the
Speaker 1: fact that Mike Evans uh o p i um offensive
Speaker 1: pants interference and we talked about it and it was
Speaker 1: interesting because Dave Moore made a comment a he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to do that in that particular play. He does
Speaker 1: not need to do that now. O. J. Howard also
Speaker 1: got called for that, and Dave had a great explanation.
Speaker 1: He said, that shouldn't that should have not have been
Speaker 1: a penalty because he didn't push out. He kind of
Speaker 1: pushed to the side because the guy was grabbing him
Speaker 1: and that's a big difference. And he in watching the replay,
Speaker 1: he barely touched him at all. That's what we are, are
Speaker 1: are you? And he told us that he told us
Speaker 1: what happened because he went and talk to the reff
Speaker 1: and he's like, what happened there? And um, the guy says,
Speaker 1: from what I see you, you moved him too much.
Speaker 1: I have to your and so he's the ref basically
Speaker 1: told him, when you're ref and games with big guys
Speaker 1: with mismatches against smaller guys, and he referenced Gronk and
Speaker 1: the Patriots, you see the bigger guy and you see
Speaker 1: the smaller guy move a little more than you want
Speaker 1: to see a move, and you you have to throw
Speaker 1: in his mind, you have to throw a flag. And
Speaker 1: probably a majority of the times that's correct, and the
Speaker 1: particular case on him, he clearly didn't do it. So
Speaker 1: that's going to be the big key for Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: They're going to call it on him all the time.
Speaker 1: So he and I don't know if it's just a habit,
Speaker 1: you know, just that automatic before he catches the ball,
Speaker 1: he pushes. I'm a little bit more of an apologist
Speaker 1: on this than you and Dave are, because I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of plays where the dB has his
Speaker 1: hands on him and Mike finds the ball first, and
Speaker 1: when he finds the ball, he's going, he's preparing to
Speaker 1: catch it, so he has to disengage the hands. He's
Speaker 1: not a lot of the times, I'm sure Mike Evans
Speaker 1: is pushed off, but a lot of times I feel
Speaker 1: like he's not pushing off. He's just disengaging and he's
Speaker 1: slowing down, stopping, and the dB continues going. So it
Speaker 1: looks like he pushed him. This one. There was five
Speaker 1: of us sitting up there and we saw the replay
Speaker 1: and there was not a total agreement on whether it
Speaker 1: was a good call or not. So I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: they could be wrong. And that's the problem, and is
Speaker 1: that that he has to avoid the appearance and for
Speaker 1: at least for a little bit of time. He has
Speaker 1: to do that because they're going to call it on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just that's his Oh yeah, he listen. Mike Evans
Speaker 1: is a great receiver, and you know, I'm not downing
Speaker 1: him at all. It's just it's unfortunate because he has
Speaker 1: made some awesome catches and I and I think some
Speaker 1: of those calls are bad. But it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, perceptions reality that the perception is he pushes
Speaker 1: off all the time. He made a great catch there,
Speaker 1: absorbed a big hit, held onto it. Obviously it hurts.
Speaker 1: He was down for a while. Oh yeah, got caught
Speaker 1: right in a small on the back and I've had
Speaker 1: back surgery and I cringed. In fact, my back hurts
Speaker 1: after Seriously, you could tell, you could tell how up
Speaker 1: said he was because that whole time he was down,
Speaker 1: I don't think he realized yet that the penalty had
Speaker 1: been called on him. And then he rolls over and
Speaker 1: he realizes as an O P I And it was
Speaker 1: like it was it was like that scene in water
Speaker 1: Boy where they give given the water at the end
Speaker 1: and he pops straight up. That's what it looked like,
Speaker 1: straight up. He was mad. Yeah, in fairness, I think
Speaker 1: he should be. Yeah. Yeah, So so it's onward. Last
Speaker 1: preseason game and then uh, regular season begins. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know next week will be when we're recording this.
Speaker 1: I doubt we'll talk at all about the last preseason
Speaker 1: analysts or with some rookie you made such a great
Speaker 1: unless an be talking about cuts because after the game, Uh,
Speaker 1: there may be some on Friday, but they have to
Speaker 1: be done on Saturday. I think maybe it's six Eastern time.
Speaker 1: Get from to thirty to fifty seven players. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be easy, especially at some places like linebacker and
Speaker 1: wide receiver, in defensive line and offensive line. So that's
Speaker 1: a rough weekend for everybody. Coaches don't like to have
Speaker 1: to cut these guys. But the important thing to remember,
Speaker 1: and I did this research yesterday, the thirty seven guys
Speaker 1: that were trimmed from the roster on that Saturday last year,
Speaker 1: twenty five of them. We're in trading camps this year.
Speaker 1: So this isn't necessarily dreams. It's dreams being slightly deferred.
Speaker 1: In most games, guys will get another shot. We're going
Speaker 1: to use that. I'm sorry, Scott, your dream has been
Speaker 1: slightly deferred. Okay, well that doesn't In radio, we used
Speaker 1: to call that philosophical differences. We're parting ways, philosophic the difference.
Speaker 1: That's something new. I hope that never happens. Let's get
Speaker 1: dot in here. Yes, let's do that. We're gonna finish
Speaker 1: up here. You've heard enough from us. Let's hear some
Speaker 1: great stories from Demark Dotson on our next second, the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs. And welcome back to the Salty Dogs Podcast
Speaker 1: once again. I'm Scott Smith, and who there is? I
Speaker 1: am still Jeff And you're hearing a third voice now,
Speaker 1: the first current player we've ever had on our fairly
Speaker 1: brief history of the Salty Dogs Podcast. And it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's the most tenured player on the team. Tomorrow Dotson, tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. You should I think you just
Speaker 1: called you old. That's what Salty Dogs. Oh all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't help it. Yeah, keep moving there, you go.
Speaker 1: All right, we don't always we don't talk about just
Speaker 1: football in here. So I understand that you were until
Speaker 1: recently in the food truck business. Yeah, and tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. I bought a food truck
Speaker 1: about two and a half years ago. It was a
Speaker 1: barbecue truck and a good buddy of minds and he's
Speaker 1: a good barbecue So I decided to say, ay, you
Speaker 1: know you bibecue good. You know, I got the fun stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, put out a food truck. So we decided
Speaker 1: to go in business. And the food was good. But
Speaker 1: you know, somehow we just wasn't making no money. It's
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, it's a lot more to it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the money was I wouldn't say it was
Speaker 1: coming up missing, but it just wasn't making none. So,
Speaker 1: you know, good product, you know, just probably bad, you know,
Speaker 1: management of the business that we were doing. What was
Speaker 1: it called? Did I have a clever name? It was
Speaker 1: on called feal licking Barbecue? Good that it was good?
Speaker 1: I did try it? Oh you did? Yeah? What's that
Speaker 1: thinking about it? That that food truck cost me a
Speaker 1: lot of money? Like, like, who loses out of money
Speaker 1: in the food trucks? The fastest way to lose money
Speaker 1: is but a professional baseball team started start business. I
Speaker 1: started food. But there's a good way to losing money.
Speaker 1: Was it was it a struggle to try to find
Speaker 1: the right place to go with the truck. No, we
Speaker 1: had we had to actually we had it right there on,
Speaker 1: we had on there maybe one time. It was moving
Speaker 1: from there, putting on West Shore AGAINDA And I mean
Speaker 1: I think that was two good places I had it in.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just couldn't get couldn't get it gone.
Speaker 1: It's all about marketing, and that's that's that's that's one thing.
Speaker 1: I had a marketing guy and I paid him and
Speaker 1: he wasn't He didn't do everything he said he was
Speaker 1: gonna do. So you know, I lost all on that.
Speaker 1: But it just came at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I just it just wasn't making money. So I had
Speaker 1: to sell it. Well, now you know what you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do when your foot over and I sold it.
Speaker 1: I sold a truck for a faction on what I
Speaker 1: bought it for. Imagine that. Are you glad we brought
Speaker 1: this up? I lost a lot of money and it Actually,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be the first entrepreneur to start something and
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Your product was good, but it was
Speaker 1: really good. Product was real good. So you have to regroup.
Speaker 1: Maybe after you retired, you regroup a little bit. Think
Speaker 1: about it, because if the product is good, the product
Speaker 1: will do it. But you got to get the people there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not quitting on the bed and once on the time,
Speaker 1: I still want them a BUBLCA business, and I still
Speaker 1: want to sold for a bitness. That two things that
Speaker 1: I still want. And and and I just know that
Speaker 1: I got to be there. If you're not in your business,
Speaker 1: watching your business, your business gonna fall through. And that's
Speaker 1: what I kind of realized. Yeah, you couldn't really do
Speaker 1: that with you. Yeah, and so I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: spend the time now, I couldn't be there. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do everything I wanted to. And you know it shows
Speaker 1: that it failed. You know what you got that's gonna
Speaker 1: make it working a long er? Is you obviously have
Speaker 1: a passion for it. Yeah, oh yeah, that's important. Nobody
Speaker 1: he went to school. He went to the school of
Speaker 1: hard knocks. I can't I can't cook it, but I
Speaker 1: can show either though. All right, it's the final week
Speaker 1: of the preseason here. Um, you I'm sure are not
Speaker 1: going to play in that game, thank you. I doubt
Speaker 1: you're very upset about that. But you've been there before
Speaker 1: I have You've been going into that game. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure right, it's gonna happen have so that would be
Speaker 1: oh nine was the first year, right, Yes, First of all,
Speaker 1: before we get to that, you were playing basketball at
Speaker 1: Southern Miss and you only played like two thirds of
Speaker 1: one season of football, right, and you're a defensive tackle, defense,
Speaker 1: tacker defense in so tell us how the Bucks found you. Well,
Speaker 1: we think about it. Scouts used to come to to
Speaker 1: our practicing and stuff, and make a long story short.
Speaker 1: One of the scouts was dumb Green. He was a
Speaker 1: scout for the Temple Bay Buccaneers, and he came to
Speaker 1: my defensive line coach, you know, told me to go
Speaker 1: upstairs and take your head, and uh so I went
Speaker 1: up to his office and Dawn was in. Then the
Speaker 1: first thing he said to me said, man, you look
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, you know. And Doum just kind of
Speaker 1: like took interest in me because you know, I was
Speaker 1: a raw kid, basketball player, big athletic, you know, and
Speaker 1: he just took me as like one of the projects.
Speaker 1: So he took he took interest in me. He came
Speaker 1: down after prod and worked me out individual and then
Speaker 1: just stayed in contact with me. And then once the
Speaker 1: draft was over, you know, he called me up and
Speaker 1: it was like and The first thing he asked me
Speaker 1: said can you get the temple? And I told him no.
Speaker 1: Now imagine that. But but but the reason why you
Speaker 1: told knows you didn't have the capital to get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but but what when I think about the
Speaker 1: long run, like who tells a man you know, no,
Speaker 1: I can't make it a town. But he could have
Speaker 1: said okay, well forget it then, but no, he could
Speaker 1: said holdo, okay, I'll call you back, and then calling
Speaker 1: back in and said, okay, I gotta I gotta take
Speaker 1: it for you. We're gonna bring you up. But its
Speaker 1: like you started negotiating. But that wasn't smart on that's funny.
Speaker 1: So so did any other teams figure out what's going?
Speaker 1: Or was it the Bucks? The other one that looking
Speaker 1: at you? The Bucks was the only one that gave
Speaker 1: him an opportunity. So the fact that your coach told
Speaker 1: you to stick your head in that room, and that
Speaker 1: Don Green was there and took one look at your
Speaker 1: thought offensive tackle, those two things didn't happen. You're probably
Speaker 1: not here right. It was. It was a favorite and
Speaker 1: grace of God. I mean, I think that God had
Speaker 1: a purpose for me to be here. So I think
Speaker 1: you know, somehow, some way it would have happened because
Speaker 1: it was his well, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that that that that's how I played out. It was.
Speaker 1: So it's a it was a long, crazy story, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just glad that had happened. Were you
Speaker 1: ever skeptical about this offensive line thing or soon? Oh?
Speaker 1: When I first when I first got here, I didn't
Speaker 1: even bring clease the work out there, you know, that
Speaker 1: just did. I thought we're just gonna be doing like
Speaker 1: drills and stuff. So I bought tenants shoes they did,
Speaker 1: they did not. So when I go in there the
Speaker 1: first first practic, that's when we're doing two days for
Speaker 1: you know, on man account, so to get right for
Speaker 1: the purpose. Yeah. So I go in there and and
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously I don't have no cliques. I'm saying, man,
Speaker 1: I'm in Trump. So I go in there and asked
Speaker 1: for some clicks. They asked me one side of the way,
Speaker 1: and man cutting me out and talked to me all
Speaker 1: kind of bad, called me everything, but but but a
Speaker 1: child of God, you know. And then they say, hell,
Speaker 1: I got some side six teens. I'm gonna throw you that.
Speaker 1: So I go out there the first practice, way outside
Speaker 1: of the eight teams. Now I got these sides, six
Speaker 1: teams on my feet trying to play football, and I'm
Speaker 1: hurting and I'm messed up, and I come out out
Speaker 1: of the press. I can't do this. So what I did.
Speaker 1: I cut the toe out. I cut the whole toe
Speaker 1: at so my my toes taking out the shoes for
Speaker 1: the second practice, I'm not doing that and people stepping
Speaker 1: on my toes, my toes getting stuffed though. I said,
Speaker 1: I just rot to go out there my tenant shoes,
Speaker 1: so I would have had my tendance shoes for the
Speaker 1: next three and did that. It took him that long
Speaker 1: to find you a pair of eight teens. You think
Speaker 1: they'd run out to the store at that point, man,
Speaker 1: I was unaptif agent. That's trying out the run to
Speaker 1: the story and give me no shoes. You're doing one
Speaker 1: of these You're not gonna be here. And that's how
Speaker 1: the Crypment guy talked Shipment to that. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean it was just cutting me out and killing me
Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, but you know that was Jim at
Speaker 1: the time. You know, Jim and I and I still
Speaker 1: got gave Jim hell about that for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he own up to it, but I had to mess
Speaker 1: with him for years about that. But that's fair. What
Speaker 1: do you think about some of these uh young offensive
Speaker 1: London right now are playing out of position and filling
Speaker 1: in like a Mike ld King, Guys like that, depressive Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike doing a good job. Mike. Want of those hard,
Speaker 1: hard hat guys that that can play in a position.
Speaker 1: He can play left tackle alway the right tackle, you know,
Speaker 1: and and he's not a prototype left tackle, but he's
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's gonna go out there and scratch,
Speaker 1: You're gonna fight on bite you. He're gonna do whatever
Speaker 1: he can to get the job done. You know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of guys you need on this on this team
Speaker 1: that you know it ain't gonna look pretty at all times,
Speaker 1: but he'll go out there and stick his head and
Speaker 1: nothing and he'll do what he need to do to
Speaker 1: try to get the job done. So you know, you
Speaker 1: can't ask for too many guys like that, and it's
Speaker 1: not too many guys like that. So Mike, Mikeaels is
Speaker 1: a much needy guy, are you do you kind of
Speaker 1: just tell the guys, hey, just do what they're asking
Speaker 1: you to do. Just go out there and get it done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially um, you know, you know young guys like you
Speaker 1: undrifted fragents because you know, I was on drug fragent,
Speaker 1: so I got I got a heart for un drove
Speaker 1: the Frasers. But you know, the think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: when I came in as undriveed Fraser, I mean I
Speaker 1: was hungry. You know, I was trying to do everything
Speaker 1: that I could to make people, you know, recognize me.
Speaker 1: If I had to punch in the face, I punched
Speaker 1: in the face, if I throw you on the ground,
Speaker 1: thro going like I was hungry. But when I see undriving,
Speaker 1: I don't see that same hunger and that same determination
Speaker 1: and a lot of undriveed free agents that you know
Speaker 1: when I came there, you know, because I remember one
Speaker 1: one day in practice, you know, I was going to
Speaker 1: get games. Adams he was and I was starting to
Speaker 1: defense the end of time. Yeah, and we had one
Speaker 1: on ones where two you know, two rushes again and
Speaker 1: I locked them up and punched him in a face
Speaker 1: and threw him and just to him. And the next
Speaker 1: day and team meeting, you know, coach put me on
Speaker 1: the screen. They do anybody to know who this guy is,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know from then. Oh, I
Speaker 1: was just trying to get my name because but you know,
Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys they undrafted for agent,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, well, e's the sense that I
Speaker 1: just I don't see it. He sounds like a salty
Speaker 1: dog those young kids these days, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: is it a generational thing or is it just a
Speaker 1: certain group of guys that I wonder. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is that I've been trying. I've been trying
Speaker 1: to get it. I'm I'm not a big talking so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see a whole lot, so I
Speaker 1: kind of keep to myself, you know. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just looked from them and the outside, and I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at is that part though? If you go
Speaker 1: to college and you're in a college where where you're
Speaker 1: the star, so to speak, or you're one of the stars,
Speaker 1: so you get catered to, and then when you finally
Speaker 1: get to the NFL, not hungry or not as hungry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're coming as an undrived for
Speaker 1: agent and how I mean, how big of a start?
Speaker 1: What's you? Well, you know what I thought it was.
Speaker 1: But you sometimes driving to work and shake your head
Speaker 1: and go, damn, I can't believe this is happening all
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. That's what keeps me hunger,
Speaker 1: that's what keeps me driving, you know, every day. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't let out because I'm still a
Speaker 1: guy that came in through the bag though, so I
Speaker 1: still think they might come. Man, I still think I
Speaker 1: might get fired, you know. You know, but hey, that's
Speaker 1: that's stealing back in my mind, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: always thinking about that. Like, Man, I don't wan't nobody
Speaker 1: to ever say he don't work hard. I don't never
Speaker 1: want to buy to state. Man, he's not giving that
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. I don't want want nobody to say that.
Speaker 1: Bat Man. Well, and you, it's not like you just
Speaker 1: had to fight that first year in two thousand nine
Speaker 1: to make that position change and they make the team.
Speaker 1: You have to keep fighting for several years because you
Speaker 1: have to keep fight until you got at least one
Speaker 1: good contract, right. I mean, you know, I didn't get
Speaker 1: my first opportunity start to two thousand and twelve. It
Speaker 1: was my first year I had an opportunity to to
Speaker 1: start you know, and once I got it, man, I
Speaker 1: just try to you know, fighting and took the life
Speaker 1: out of it. But you know, every year from you know,
Speaker 1: two dollars nine and two ten, I got injured in
Speaker 1: two dollars ten in the preseason game and the fourth
Speaker 1: Pieceason game, you know, to mess and put me out
Speaker 1: for the whole season. So I had to come back
Speaker 1: that next year and two dollars eleven, improving and and
Speaker 1: and make this team all over again. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm used to it. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: mind going on hand working. That's that's the way I started,
Speaker 1: and I keep that same mantality to the day. This
Speaker 1: is kind of random, but this is an advantage or
Speaker 1: disadvantage to be six ft nine when you're trying to
Speaker 1: play offensive tackle. It's definitely a disadvantage, you know, but
Speaker 1: but it can be an advantage in the point of
Speaker 1: you know, you got long gone, so you know you
Speaker 1: can use your your lit to your advantage. But especially
Speaker 1: going to get short guys, it can be disadvantaged because, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always hear you get you're supposed to low man wins, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how do you get low on? I got that
Speaker 1: set my shorter. You gotta just you gotta bid, you
Speaker 1: gotta bed. I mean a lot of tall guys don't
Speaker 1: been well. You know what I'm saying. That's why you
Speaker 1: see a lot of you know, it's hard offense attackles
Speaker 1: a lot of them. You know, that's why the chaint
Speaker 1: over keep coming because a lot of them don't been well.
Speaker 1: And you've got guys that's short, that's coming around the edge.
Speaker 1: It's getting up on you. If you don't ben, it's
Speaker 1: gonna put you to the quarterback. You know. So is
Speaker 1: it harder for you to to um? I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you effectively do it to solve them, But is
Speaker 1: it harder to block Noah Spence than say JPP uh
Speaker 1: Noah Spence type caliber type player? Um? I mean, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get I wouldn't say. You know, one is
Speaker 1: more tougher than all. I mean, you know both obviously
Speaker 1: one gonna offer a different challenge than the other one.
Speaker 1: But you know, as often attackle, you've got to be
Speaker 1: at a block of JPP type caudle player. You gotta
Speaker 1: be a blocker. Um, I know what Spence type caliger?
Speaker 1: You just can't say, Well, I do good against JBP,
Speaker 1: and I don't do good against know what's you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna last, You ain't gonna be around too long that
Speaker 1: fourth season. Pret so you have to dress for the
Speaker 1: fourth game? Um I no, no, no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not dressing I don't think really unless
Speaker 1: you change it up. But you know, user typically it's
Speaker 1: not that you don't have to have to dress out.
Speaker 1: So your mindset now is the first game of the year,
Speaker 1: New Orleans. That's that's that's the mindset now. Nothing else,
Speaker 1: nothing else, That's the only thing that matters. Got for
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean all of us. You
Speaker 1: don't want to overlook this game because you still want
Speaker 1: to root your guys on. You still want to you know,
Speaker 1: you got a lot of young guys that's fighting for
Speaker 1: these teams and fighting out only for this team. You
Speaker 1: got thirty you know one other teams that's looking at
Speaker 1: this too, So you want guys to go out there
Speaker 1: and play well. So my mind set one and yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forard to on New Orleans. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see those guys on them, you know, because this is
Speaker 1: how I made my my my opportunity and the four
Speaker 1: pieces of the games. So you know, I want to
Speaker 1: tell those guys that, hey, this is where you make
Speaker 1: your living there right here, so go out and put
Speaker 1: on a good show. So, as a senior member of
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you've seen a lot. As we
Speaker 1: go into this season, you see anything different than you
Speaker 1: haven't seen before? Um, I do. Wow. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I don't know about never seeing for but I see
Speaker 1: something that I haven't seen last year. And I see
Speaker 1: a lot of focus, no, no, this year than I've
Speaker 1: seen last year. And actually we had hard knocks in
Speaker 1: hell and and and and even though you know everybody
Speaker 1: was raving about us and giving us all this big credit,
Speaker 1: you know you could just see that, you know, it
Speaker 1: just wouldn't hold a lot of focus because you had
Speaker 1: too many cameras in here, and people are trying to
Speaker 1: do things for the camera. And I just had a feeling, man,
Speaker 1: go and test with all these cameras and a young team.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just hard to you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just want to shy away from the cameras
Speaker 1: because guys want to be around it. They want to
Speaker 1: say stuff. You can see the camera over there and
Speaker 1: you know, and they coming around and now you're doing
Speaker 1: things that you know you typically could wouldn't do, but
Speaker 1: now you know there's no cameras around, there's no nobody's
Speaker 1: giving us a chancing in hell to be good. So
Speaker 1: now God's just kind of hungering and locked in, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to say, Okay, hey man, we
Speaker 1: got to really do it this year. The thing I
Speaker 1: keyed in on is you said we were a young
Speaker 1: team last year, so this year, almost everybody's back at it.
Speaker 1: A few more parts. The coaching staff has been there,
Speaker 1: so the familiar arty is there. So Scott and I
Speaker 1: will talk and sometimes you get so close to it.
Speaker 1: But the last game, last preseason game, watching the offense play,
Speaker 1: it was exciting, he's yeah, and and you kind of
Speaker 1: you had your bets because you've been involved in this
Speaker 1: for a long time, and of course you're hoping for
Speaker 1: the best. But but I I think there is a
Speaker 1: different feeling. So I was just curious if you were
Speaker 1: feeling the same thing. You gotta prove it, but I
Speaker 1: gotta prove yeah, but you can feel it to you know,
Speaker 1: guys more locked in, you know, and and and and
Speaker 1: and that's why. That's why I like about it and
Speaker 1: try to count with stuff. You know, it was a
Speaker 1: lot of physical. I think coach Man made it. I
Speaker 1: really something like in the in the off season, I
Speaker 1: guess John said something, boy, you know, tran camp was
Speaker 1: kind of soft for something, and I just ow, my goodness, man,
Speaker 1: what would he say something like that? Fun? So, you know,
Speaker 1: so so Coding made up in his mind like we're
Speaker 1: gonna make camp a little more physical this year. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna call yeah. Yeah, And the camp it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of competition defense, you know, defensive line,
Speaker 1: offensive line had a lot of competition, and it was
Speaker 1: a whole lot more physical training camp than its last year.
Speaker 1: So if the Bucks have a great season this year,
Speaker 1: you can just imagine how camp's gonna be next year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had had nothing. Yeah, speaking here in good shape,
Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, I'm doing a whole lot better.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's gonna be something that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to stay on top of, you know, doing the
Speaker 1: during the whole season, and you can't just don't let
Speaker 1: it go to waste. But you know, I mean overall,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, good, So that's that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: good thing, Jeff. As you know, we're recording this on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but it's really a Friday in a normal weeks football
Speaker 1: that we called that's Friday around here because everybody's practices over.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets to go fast. Let you go because we
Speaker 1: kept you paying for you. How's your son doing? Do
Speaker 1: you know he's actually playing football right now? My son
Speaker 1: he's seven now, it's nine years old. He looks like
Speaker 1: he's he's five foot eight, um eight and pals and
Speaker 1: weast side three ten shooting. I saw him. I remember
Speaker 1: when he probably it was like three yeah, and I thought, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's why he's been trying my playing. He playing off
Speaker 1: taco tackle right taco. You know, he's in the fourth
Speaker 1: grade and he's playing with the sixth grade. So he
Speaker 1: got my you know, so he excited about that. He's
Speaker 1: having fun. He'd been wanting to play for he wanted
Speaker 1: to play last and I was scared about letting the play.
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to play. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: play this year, but he was bugging bugg by it.
Speaker 1: So I said, you know, I just want to do it.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and do it, you know, so I tried
Speaker 1: to him take a man, said, listen, I didn't put
Speaker 1: on the hall man util I was twenty two years old.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well the good news is he wants to
Speaker 1: do it and he's having fun with it, and as
Speaker 1: long as that's the case, then it's all good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's definitely having fun. So I guess he kind of
Speaker 1: want to fall in. You know, Dadda steps still doing
Speaker 1: text messaging and stuff. You're talking about the old office Lineman,
Speaker 1: like Davin Joe's Up and Donald Pine and jeffan Zoo
Speaker 1: keeping all those guys down in touch with all them. Actually,
Speaker 1: I just take um daughter about a week ago, because
Speaker 1: you know, I got the you know news that he
Speaker 1: was switching off from left to the right Tigers. I
Speaker 1: told him like that. I told him, if you need
Speaker 1: any advice, then just let me know. I got you. Man.
Speaker 1: I just know that was a really tight group, and
Speaker 1: I like to see that. That was a great group.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm doing Jeman true Blood, Davin,
Speaker 1: Joe's Up, Donald and Per, I mean, Donna pan Zoo,
Speaker 1: Jeff Faine, you know that group. Man, that is a
Speaker 1: great group of guys right there. That's that's why I
Speaker 1: learned a lot from those guys. Remember this conversation because
Speaker 1: in the next segment we're gonna answer letters and somebody
Speaker 1: wants to know about the most underrated buccaneer of all time.
Speaker 1: So there could be some names in there, like, okay,
Speaker 1: most underrated I get right here, who do you think
Speaker 1: the most underrated buck player? You just not gonna let
Speaker 1: him go on. That's the only thing I don't think
Speaker 1: that's undervrated own Buck, like one of the most underrated
Speaker 1: Buck that would be that. That would definitely that would
Speaker 1: be my most underrated book. Like really Thumb, when you
Speaker 1: got a good guest, hang on to him as long
Speaker 1: as you got really that that was a great pro.
Speaker 1: I learned laugh from that guy. That guy was an
Speaker 1: excellent pro. I mean it wasn't a pro that came
Speaker 1: through here since Davn left that that can even get
Speaker 1: no way an It wasn't near that. It's pretty much
Speaker 1: great all around, great guy, great pro, great player. Guy
Speaker 1: got told me how to get rid of the game
Speaker 1: as just a great pro. You gotta get him on
Speaker 1: one day. Yeah, speaking of great, you gotta get that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of great, you've been a great pro here. You've
Speaker 1: been a good guy. It's one thing me and Dot
Speaker 1: always go down the hall. We always say hey, and
Speaker 1: that's not always the case with with all players. You
Speaker 1: guys gotta show man, I gotta watch listen to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get you back on when we get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We'll bring this up and say you called it early house.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks tomorrow, appreciate your thank you, sir the
Speaker 1: Salty Dog and we're back here on the Salty Dogs Podcast,
Speaker 1: our last segment. Yeah, thanks Dot, it's good. You know
Speaker 1: I listened to this in our so called breaks are
Speaker 1: like two seconds long. Yeah. I don't think it's believable
Speaker 1: that we got Dot out of here in two seconds.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the magic of podcasting. Yes, if I
Speaker 1: say it happened, it happened. Continue, my friend. All right,
Speaker 1: we have been talking for a long time, so let's
Speaker 1: zip through these questions. Okay, first one, gonna let you handle.
Speaker 1: It's not really a question, but I think it's important
Speaker 1: to bring up UM because in case you're piking this
Speaker 1: and you want to go back and find the links
Speaker 1: to the other ones. Um Ronald or Vic email me
Speaker 1: in the middle of Wen said I'm having trouble finding
Speaker 1: a link to your podcast and sent him some help.
Speaker 1: But you tell everybody all the way, Well, there's an
Speaker 1: easy way to do it. If you have the Buccaneers app.
Speaker 1: If if you go to the Buccaneers app and you
Speaker 1: you download it, well you just open it up and
Speaker 1: of course in the first few days we will be
Speaker 1: sitting on we'll be sitting on the front page. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the key, right. You go to the bottom of
Speaker 1: the page and it says more, and you hit more
Speaker 1: and then it says podcasts. You hit podcasts and then
Speaker 1: it loads as I did right now, and there's the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs, all of them. It's EASi to find on
Speaker 1: the laptop than the main side. Yeah, but on the app, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the app it works great, but it's also it's also
Speaker 1: on tune in. Tune In is a is a service
Speaker 1: that we find. Uh. If you subscribe the tune in
Speaker 1: you want know it's an app it and it'll go there.
Speaker 1: Um it's on iTunes. Yeah, yeah, so you can find it,
Speaker 1: you just you know. But the fastest ways if you
Speaker 1: have the Buccaneers app, go to more to find it
Speaker 1: on iTunes. I found out that there's already another Salty
Speaker 1: Dogs podcast really like a Christian podcast out of like cancer. Well,
Speaker 1: I could see how people would get us confused overlapping. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, like I said, we need to rush through these.
Speaker 1: I got three of the good. This is a two
Speaker 1: part question from Chris, but I don't think the first
Speaker 1: part matters for the second part. Well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do them both. Then Okay, how much of a chance
Speaker 1: is Todd m can have to call plays in regular
Speaker 1: season games and I'm not gonna continue the rest of it.
Speaker 1: He's thinking it's a good idea. I think. I think
Speaker 1: what happens there is that my personal opinion, and this
Speaker 1: is my personal opinion, is Dirk's going to call the place.
Speaker 1: I think what Dirk is doing is, um, you know
Speaker 1: the coaching has likes to come everybody together. They're basically
Speaker 1: calling the same place. Yeah, it's the same place. Um,
Speaker 1: but but here's the danger zone. If we don't do
Speaker 1: really well, then everybody's gonna say, well then it's should
Speaker 1: be Todd calling them and they're going to compare the
Speaker 1: points scored in the preseason against Yes, yes, but it's
Speaker 1: not going to be. But but I I totally understand
Speaker 1: why head coaches who are offensive mind didn't want to
Speaker 1: call plays. I totally understand why they want And it's
Speaker 1: important to remember that developing the game plan and having
Speaker 1: whatever chunk of players you're going to use that week
Speaker 1: is a collaborative effort between all of them, So they
Speaker 1: all all have a piece of it. They'll have little
Speaker 1: It's gonna not gonna be that big deal, all right.
Speaker 1: His second part was, do you think there's a chance
Speaker 1: that we see DeShawn Jackson lined at running back when
Speaker 1: Bucks are inside the red zone? The Chiefs did it
Speaker 1: with Tyreek Hill last year and seem to be successful.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think the problem with
Speaker 1: our red zone last year was play calling, was just
Speaker 1: executing those plays. Yes, he's got so many red zone
Speaker 1: weapons that I don't think we need to get cute
Speaker 1: with DeShawn Jackson in the backfield. And why would yes, no,
Speaker 1: maybe returning uh punts and he did that, and he
Speaker 1: did he did. Yeah, that's cool, al right. Next question
Speaker 1: from Bobby from l A Fantastic podcast last week, though,
Speaker 1: thank you, This is when we were just teasing, who
Speaker 1: do you think is the most underrated Buck of all time?
Speaker 1: My uh would be Brad Johnson. Yeah, he didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of He didn't get any credit for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. And if you look at his career,
Speaker 1: every team he was on, he got him to the playoffs, Minnesota, Washington, US.
Speaker 1: Of course he was a backup in Dallas, but his
Speaker 1: career prolonged. I think that when he got hurt in
Speaker 1: the Detroit game and he didn't play in that Monday
Speaker 1: night game against Pittsburgh, we got we got wiped out.
Speaker 1: Shaun King and the other Rob Johnson played and they
Speaker 1: did not play well. And I'll share a little bit
Speaker 1: with you. I was doing um Jon Gruden's show then
Speaker 1: and John told me that he said, if we don't
Speaker 1: get the bull back, we're not gonna win. We need
Speaker 1: to get We need to get the bull back. And
Speaker 1: the bull was Brad Johnson. And he had a back injury.
Speaker 1: He had a back injury and that was before social
Speaker 1: media that no one found out about it. He did.
Speaker 1: He fractured his back and that was kept secret because
Speaker 1: they wanted him to heal. And when he came when
Speaker 1: he came back, um um, he was all the difference
Speaker 1: in the world. So Brad Johnson's my underrat and you
Speaker 1: know what made that's so important that year we won.
Speaker 1: We won that game in Chicago, and another game went
Speaker 1: well for us. I think it was the Giants beating
Speaker 1: the Packers or vice versa, and we got the first
Speaker 1: round by I don't think Brad was gonna be ready
Speaker 1: for a wild card game, No, and we smoked San
Speaker 1: Francisco at after he had time to come back, and
Speaker 1: he actually got hurt early in the game. He was
Speaker 1: bleeding from or something. Yeah, and he's a tough guy,
Speaker 1: but he but because of that, that's my undergrad I
Speaker 1: like that choice. I wrote about this last week and
Speaker 1: wrote about Carl Williams The Truth. Yeah, I bet you
Speaker 1: didn't know. He's played more games than any other receiver
Speaker 1: in Bucks history. I did not know that. And then
Speaker 1: he's our all time leader in punt returns, and that
Speaker 1: in this he had five punt returns from two Only
Speaker 1: three guys in the entire league had five in that span. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him on the Salty Dogs, you know,
Speaker 1: like he had one more than Dion Sanders did in
Speaker 1: that span. So I don't think people realize that, but
Speaker 1: I have since thought of. To me, the answer to
Speaker 1: this question is guys that I think more highly up
Speaker 1: than I think they're generally valued. And I've got two
Speaker 1: names for you. Joey Galloway, I don't think he got
Speaker 1: credit for as good as he was. And Donnie Abraham,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no question, don five picks every year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think Donny Abraham has ever gotten enough credit
Speaker 1: for how good he was. Currently, you gotta say Lavante
Speaker 1: David because he should have been in five Pro Bowls
Speaker 1: by now question. And then probably the biggest name that
Speaker 1: should have gotten more recognition during his career, never went
Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl, but he's in our ring of honor.
Speaker 1: Paul Gruber, Oh, Paul Gruber was was Mr Buck and
Speaker 1: he was so good, but he can never make a
Speaker 1: probable because he was on terrible teams. And then we
Speaker 1: talked about this last week. He finally gets on good
Speaker 1: teams and he breaks and breaks a leg and it's
Speaker 1: but a happy note. Yes I got one more, but
Speaker 1: I'm a save it. That's up to you. We'll use
Speaker 1: it next time. I guarantee tease was from Kent, and
Speaker 1: I think I've teased that seas in a row. I'm
Speaker 1: keeping Kent listening specifically to have at least one listener.
Speaker 1: Everything all right, I appreciate that. Sorry, Kent, alright, very good.
Speaker 1: Well before you choke over there, i'm gonna say, since
Speaker 1: you did, thanks for this