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Speaker 1: Play In Tournament. It's not the play In Tournament, it's
Speaker 1: the State Farm NBA play Tournament. Isn't exactly Starting out
Speaker 1: with a bang tonight, Pacers host the Hornets Eastern Conference
Speaker 1: nine ten battle. Then you have the Celtics. They will
Speaker 1: host the Wizards the seven eight matchup do or die
Speaker 1: for Indian Charlotte, loser of the Boston Washington game gets
Speaker 1: another shot to advance to the playoffs. But this certainly
Speaker 1: pales in comparison to what we have tomorrow night, the
Speaker 1: featured matchup Lebron and the Lakers versus Steph and the Warriors.
Speaker 1: If you're a true NBA fan, there's always a reason
Speaker 1: to watch. Maybe this is your first chance to watch
Speaker 1: the Hornets. Rookie LaMelo Ball, he missed a long stretch
Speaker 1: with a broken wrist, still has a chance to be
Speaker 1: the Rookie of the year. Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal
Speaker 1: make the Wizards interesting, and the Celtics are probably fascinatingly inconsistent.
Speaker 1: As for Indiana, Oh they seem like nice guys. All right,
Speaker 1: it's not Lebron and Steff, but it's still postseason basketball.
Speaker 1: It's here to stay and I'll take it. Mcleven you
Speaker 1: got a pull quite and for me today, Well let's
Speaker 1: start right there. Do you think the NBA should keep
Speaker 1: the play in tournament moving forward? Yes, because I think
Speaker 1: they have to with the regular season being viewed as
Speaker 1: not a necessity of where you end up. You know,
Speaker 1: your seed doesn't matter. I think if you feel like
Speaker 1: you're good enough team, I think the Lakers probably thought,
Speaker 1: what's the worst case scenario, all Right, we got a
Speaker 1: play in game, all right, we get two chances here.
Speaker 1: I think they felt pretty comfortable with that. But I
Speaker 1: also like that Washington season was over with COVID issues, injuries,
Speaker 1: they made a trade, they brought in Russell Westbrook, and
Speaker 1: then they sort of brought the franchise back to life
Speaker 1: here and they're sort of in the playoffs, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a really intriguing matchup there. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: watch that game. I truly am, because of Bradley Beale
Speaker 1: and Russell Westbrook, and I don't know what the Celtics
Speaker 1: are doing because they got so close and it feels
Speaker 1: like they're so far away. I think you have to
Speaker 1: have if there's gonna be load management, then I think
Speaker 1: you have to have something that says, how do we
Speaker 1: make the you know, the end of the regular season interesting.
Speaker 1: How do we get a few more fan bases involved
Speaker 1: in it. It's gimmicky, but I understand it. And I
Speaker 1: think that maybe allowing sixteen playoff teams you sort of
Speaker 1: watered down the playoffs. Now having the play in tournament
Speaker 1: spices it up just a little bit more. It's here,
Speaker 1: it's here to stay. You've got a sponsor, State Farm,
Speaker 1: and you know we're not going to have the Lakers
Speaker 1: versus the Warriors every year, and most of these play
Speaker 1: in games are going to be like the play in
Speaker 1: games for the NCAA tournament, where you're gonna go, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll watch, but doesn't really count. Like if the Lakers
Speaker 1: were healthy, they wouldn't be in this position. If Golden
Speaker 1: State was healthy, they wouldn't be in this position. These
Speaker 1: positions are for teams like Memphis, New Orleans, Washington, Boston's
Speaker 1: a disappointment this year, but for the most part, when
Speaker 1: you see the play in teams, these are teams that
Speaker 1: really need something like this just to keep their season alive. Yeah, McLevin,
Speaker 1: I understand that there's less tanking because of this, and
Speaker 1: that's huge. That's a huge benefit. But it kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me how in college football, since every game seems
Speaker 1: to matter because you need to win to get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but in college basketball regular she's a college
Speaker 1: basketball game doesn't mean much because everyone gets in the tournament. Now,
Speaker 1: two thirds of the NBA is in the playoffs. So
Speaker 1: why does a one versus two seed in February on
Speaker 1: a Saturday night, Why is that game really going to
Speaker 1: mean a It feels like it's watering down. Well, let
Speaker 1: me go back to college football, because you say, hey,
Speaker 1: every game matters. Well, once you lose twice, then you
Speaker 1: have no chance to be in the final four. Right
Speaker 1: if you're an average team or a team that doesn't
Speaker 1: get recognition, or you're an outlier not in the Power
Speaker 1: five conference, then you have no chance. College football needs
Speaker 1: to expand if they want to have their regular season
Speaker 1: mean more. I don't think I don't think it takes
Speaker 1: away from the regular season college football because let's face it,
Speaker 1: how many schools have a legitimate chance to win the
Speaker 1: national title every year? Like eight maybe? Now if I
Speaker 1: have a twelve team playoff, now I have how many
Speaker 1: teams now I have twenty maybe even more that have
Speaker 1: a chance to get into the playoffs. Maybe they get
Speaker 1: in as the eleventh or twelfth seed, but they get
Speaker 1: in and then they can share in that money the
Speaker 1: revenue that will come, you know as a result, because
Speaker 1: for the most part, the richer getting richer when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Final four in college basketball. I don't
Speaker 1: like gimmicky things, and hey, we got to have everybody
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But I think, first of all, money
Speaker 1: speaks like you got to start there. You know, these
Speaker 1: owners lost a lot of money and they want to
Speaker 1: get that money back somehow, some way. And I think
Speaker 1: if you're the commissioner of the NBA Adam Silver, all
Speaker 1: ideas should be on the table, like how do we
Speaker 1: generate more excitement and more revenue here? And I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's here to stay THEAMI club, Well, what
Speaker 1: about a midseason tournament? Is well, that's coming. Isn't that
Speaker 1: a line too far? Less tell you about cutting out
Speaker 1: the regular season that I think is on the way.
Speaker 1: Wog Is hinted about this, and I think that we're
Speaker 1: going to have a midseason tournament. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it means. I don't know what it would mean for
Speaker 1: the end of the regular season. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it would mean for the playoffs. But I do think
Speaker 1: trying to spice up the regular season because of load management.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Marquee players. Now, you did
Speaker 1: have injuries sort of, but I felt like guys were
Speaker 1: staying out longer than they really needed to. Did Lebron
Speaker 1: need to stay out that long? If it was a
Speaker 1: playoff game, he would have been back. Anthony Davis, James Harden, Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. These are the Marquis players on the Marquee teams,
Speaker 1: and they didn't play no kawai that used to be.
Speaker 1: It was no big deal. Hey, I might play sixty
Speaker 1: two games here, sixty two out of eighty two, and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh yeah, okay, load management. But if I'm
Speaker 1: a fan, I want to know when I tune in?
Speaker 1: Am I what am I seeing when I tune in?
Speaker 1: And this is the dangerous part I think for the NBA,
Speaker 1: because I've tuned in before. First of all, I don't
Speaker 1: recognize the uniforms. And then second of all, I go, okay, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: oh it's the Pelicans. Okay, no Zi okay, no Zion, okay,
Speaker 1: no Lonzo Ball. All right? Now? Do you stay watching
Speaker 1: a game like that, let alone the Marquee games because
Speaker 1: these players are going you know, why am I killing
Speaker 1: myself here? We're gonna make the layoffs. I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: get paid. I'm not gonna get fined for sitting out
Speaker 1: because I have a high ankle spraying or I got
Speaker 1: something wrong with my shoulder. Okay, but I think the
Speaker 1: NBA has to you know, it's like baseball's regular season,
Speaker 1: Like do you tune how many times have you tuned
Speaker 1: in recently? Where you go, I have to watch this game?
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about your local team because they
Speaker 1: used to have a game of the week and that
Speaker 1: was on Saturday and it was a big deal. Now
Speaker 1: every game is on And how many tune in factor
Speaker 1: games do you have? Must see TV? It's really rare,
Speaker 1: unless if it's a pitching matchup like shohey Otani. If
Speaker 1: he was on at a time when I could watch,
Speaker 1: I would watch. But how many of those players are
Speaker 1: there anymore? Now? You do have talent, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of young talent, but I don't you need tune in
Speaker 1: factor Like the NFL is fortunate now they're going to
Speaker 1: expand eventually to eighteen games. Now it's seventeen now, just
Speaker 1: so you know that they'll be going to eighteen games.
Speaker 1: At what point do they water down their playoff system?
Speaker 1: Because they keep adding more playoff teams, more revenue. Everybody
Speaker 1: seems to be happy. I don't know if they get
Speaker 1: to that point where, hey, it doesn't really matter if
Speaker 1: we win our division. Maybe it doesn't matter if we
Speaker 1: have home field advantage. But I think all of these
Speaker 1: sports really are. They tinker with the regular season. And
Speaker 1: as much as I don't like the expansion of playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think college football needs it to add more teams
Speaker 1: in Therefore, the regular season is far more interesting in
Speaker 1: a bigger picture because if I lose two games, I
Speaker 1: could still be the twelfth seed, eleventh seed, and the
Speaker 1: amount of money that would be at stake, and you
Speaker 1: could still have your secondary bowl games if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: But I think that would be the way I see
Speaker 1: college football going pretty soon. Yeah. Point, And like you said,
Speaker 1: with college football last year, a team like Indiana would
Speaker 1: have made an eight team playoff and they were threatening.
Speaker 1: They could play with the big guys, Coastal Carolina, whatever
Speaker 1: you think of them, they would have had a shot.
Speaker 1: They would have had That would have been a fascinating
Speaker 1: game to tune into. It may not second half may
Speaker 1: not have been great, but Coastal Carolina in a playoff,
Speaker 1: it would have been cool. You just want a chance,
Speaker 1: like when I my You know, childhood is all about
Speaker 1: that Wow, that moment or you didn't expect that. Like
Speaker 1: sports is about the unexpected. That's why Hollywood loves sports
Speaker 1: because they write endings that Hollywood would never think of.
Speaker 1: You just want a chance, you want to face somebody.
Speaker 1: You never get that chance. Oh right, you might get
Speaker 1: blown out. Maybe the end results aren't very pretty, but
Speaker 1: I think anybody who competes just once that chance. And
Speaker 1: we love the underdog story. I mean, that's why we
Speaker 1: love March Madness. Underdog story. And then we get to
Speaker 1: the final four, the Elite eight, and we say, all right, now,
Speaker 1: let's kind of resume things. Let's get back to our
Speaker 1: regular scheduled program where we have the blue bloods in here.
Speaker 1: But when you get that outlier, that's what's fun. When
Speaker 1: you get introduced to a player that you wouldn't normally
Speaker 1: get introduced too, that's fun. And I think sometimes that's
Speaker 1: lost on us when it comes to sports. New Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point it's funny though, because even though other teams have
Speaker 1: a chance, small teams have a chance, we always say
Speaker 1: in the media and people on social media, that team
Speaker 1: has no chance. Like I saw a lot of people
Speaker 1: in sports media and others saying the Lakers have no
Speaker 1: chance to lose tun in a row. There's no chance
Speaker 1: the Lakers lose. They're facing Steph Curry tomorrow night. That
Speaker 1: could one thing can happen. They're only a favorite by
Speaker 1: four points. Now, I know they'd probably a big favorite
Speaker 1: over the Spurs of the Grizzlies, but this is Steph
Speaker 1: Curry season and the Spurs of the Grizzlies if they
Speaker 1: somehow get the Lakers in that next game. If the
Speaker 1: Lakers lose, that's their season that upset. There's there's always
Speaker 1: a chance that would scare the hell to me if
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Speaker 1: Their mclovin. Okay, I have an MVP pole and I
Speaker 1: have numbers to back it up real quick. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you these players their team's records
Speaker 1: when they're on the bed when they don't play. The
Speaker 1: Warriors without Steph are two and seven Nicola Jokes played
Speaker 1: every game for the Nuggets, so he's out of this poll.
Speaker 1: The Knicks are undefeated when Julius Randall doesn't play, so
Speaker 1: he's out of this poll. The seventy six Ers are
Speaker 1: ten and eleven without Embiid, the Bucks are six and
Speaker 1: five without Jannis. The Blazers have a winning record without Lillard,
Speaker 1: and the Clippers have a winning record without Kauhai. So
Speaker 1: based on that stat is there a good argument to
Speaker 1: say since the Warriors are two and seven without Steph
Speaker 1: and they have a winning record, a huge winning record
Speaker 1: with him, he's the MVP. I wonder if the Warriors
Speaker 1: had gotten to the sixth seed, maybe the seventh seed,
Speaker 1: what would we look at Steph curry season differently because
Speaker 1: they overachieved. We we love a story. This was a
Speaker 1: great story with Steph Curry. And I know I've been
Speaker 1: a big proponent of him being the Most Valuable Player
Speaker 1: this year, but I thought they were going to challenge
Speaker 1: for the NBA title this year if everybody was healthy.
Speaker 1: I think because he's sort of on the fringe, you know,
Speaker 1: with the play in tournament that it's all you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of got there. It's gimmicky plus he's got
Speaker 1: a couple MVPs. You know, maybe that factors into But
Speaker 1: if they had the sixth seed, I think I think
Speaker 1: the voters might look at Steph Curry differently. And it's
Speaker 1: not an exact science. They don't give you anything. There's
Speaker 1: no like, here are the rules, here's the christ When
Speaker 1: you vote for the MVP, it's just you're what you
Speaker 1: think MVP stands for. Is it the best player on
Speaker 1: the best team. Is the guy who has the best stats.
Speaker 1: Is it the best story of the guy who's on
Speaker 1: a playoff team. Greek Freak was wonderful this year. If
Speaker 1: the Bucks had won the title last year, Greek Freak
Speaker 1: might have been the MVP this year. I think that
Speaker 1: it was probably held against him that well, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was really good, but they bow out early. Okay, Joe
Speaker 1: lmbid if he was healthy, if he played all okay,
Speaker 1: but he didn't like give credit to Yo Kitchen. He
Speaker 1: played every game this year, so that has to factor in.
Speaker 1: We might not look at them as championship worthy, certainly
Speaker 1: losing Jamal Murray, but he did everything you ask a
Speaker 1: great player to do. I know he's not exciting. I
Speaker 1: know a crisp bounced pass, backdoor cut, you know, a
Speaker 1: nice fifteen footer. Nobody cares about that. But that's it.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be honoring, you know, people with style points.
Speaker 1: It's what do you do for you to your team?
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray goes down, so they lose an All Star
Speaker 1: and what did Denver do? They won nine to ten.
Speaker 1: That says something about Yokich. And I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be the MVP, you know, the second half
Speaker 1: of the season, even though I'd been pushing for Steph Curry. Yeah, pull,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna win the MVP, we gotta get his
Speaker 1: name down before the end of the day show. McLellan said, Nicola.
Speaker 1: So is it Nicola or Nicola? And it Yokich or Joki?
Speaker 1: Because there's four different options you could have for his
Speaker 1: name because you don't we don't know how to pronounce
Speaker 1: either first name or last name. Well, if I just
Speaker 1: go Joker, then I'm good. But it could be Yoker
Speaker 1: because it's Yoki. Yeah, but that's like TIBs in Thibodeaux Nicolai, Nicolajoki, Nicola, Yokich.
Speaker 1: There's four different options. I'm going Nicola Yoki. Let's call
Speaker 1: it officially sounds right. That's the one I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds right, that's all. It's not Nicolai Nicolai, but
Speaker 1: he's called Joker. Then Nikolas has a little Italian the
Speaker 1: way you guys are saying. But it doesn't sound like Rikola.
Speaker 1: I think it's a hard Kola. Nicola, not Nicola, not
Speaker 1: Nikola Nicola. I think it's a hard Kola. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: can I bash NBA MVP voters through the years and
Speaker 1: I hope this. I don't know the last time you voted. Well,
Speaker 1: can I take a break here? Yeah? I have a
Speaker 1: huge issue every year with the way they do this. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me take a break. And then Mannix has a vote,
Speaker 1: so I'll ask him later on who he voted for.
Speaker 1: Anybody want to guess Mannox probably voted Joker. He can't
Speaker 1: vote for a Celtic. But I'd about to say Tatum
Speaker 1: put in Larry Bird right in. Yeah, Yoker is a
Speaker 1: better nickname, just saying yoker, the yoker. Oh definitely, No, No,
Speaker 1: just yoked, yoked, that's what you want to But he's
Speaker 1: not yoked. That's the problem. All right, Let me take
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Speaker 1: I gotta make way for Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter,
Speaker 1: lead content strategist for the Monday Morning Quarterback. Albert, let
Speaker 1: me start with what we think is the truth that
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reported on the night of the draft that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, once out of Green Bay, told the team
Speaker 1: that we haven't heard anything. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: confirmed by anybody, but it's become fact. Has Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1: Has anybody confirmed that Aaron Rodgers said to the packers
Speaker 1: I won out. I mean, I can tell you that
Speaker 1: they've had like numerous conversations over the last few months,
Speaker 1: which has included trips to California. Matt Lafleur, Brian Goodacous,
Speaker 1: the people in charge in Green Bay to try to
Speaker 1: eradicate the issue between the team and the player. And
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers, like I've said this to you
Speaker 1: all along, I think Dan is that like we should
Speaker 1: listen to him. We should have listened to him in January.
Speaker 1: We should listen to him, you know, when he's said,
Speaker 1: when he's confirmed a lot of what he's said initially
Speaker 1: to Pat McAfee. You know. And I don't think anything
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers does as a mistake. He's calculating. He's
Speaker 1: very intelligent. He understands the media. Like I just I
Speaker 1: failed to believe that any of this stuff is by accident.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, the Packers are very well aware
Speaker 1: that they've got a situation on their hands that they've
Speaker 1: got to find a way to fix. They've got a
Speaker 1: team that's in a position to win right now. You
Speaker 1: look at the age of their core too, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that are smack dab in the middle of
Speaker 1: their prime on big contracts. You know, they're gonna do
Speaker 1: everything they can to try to get Aaron Rodgers back
Speaker 1: in house. There's an awareness there that Jordan loves not
Speaker 1: ready to go. And you know, I really think that,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you just watch the way the
Speaker 1: packers of operator over the last three or four months.
Speaker 1: There's no questions, a very serious problem there. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it is what Aaron wants,
Speaker 1: which you know, it looks a lot like I think
Speaker 1: what Tom Brady has now in Tampa. But the trade discussions,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really feel like there's any firmness to the
Speaker 1: reporting on it. It's it's almost like we're wishful reporting here,
Speaker 1: or we're wishful speculating. Well, you know, what would Denver
Speaker 1: have to offer? What about the Raiders? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what his market value is. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they've made an offer. Has Denver called green Bay? Has
Speaker 1: you know the Raiders? Have they called green Bay? I'm
Speaker 1: assuming everybody's called them now. You know, when I talked
Speaker 1: to Brian Goodacoons on draft weekend, you know, he said
Speaker 1: that he had just gotten one call the day of
Speaker 1: the draft and that was it. And obviously John Lynch
Speaker 1: acknowledged that the Niners made a phone call, So you
Speaker 1: can put two and two together on that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I would assume, at the very least, and I don't
Speaker 1: know this for a fact, that the Broncos GM. George
Speaker 1: Payton picked up the phone and called that the Raiders GM.
Speaker 1: Mike Mayo picked up the phone and called, if you
Speaker 1: see that Aaron Rodgers going to be interested in you
Speaker 1: would be almost irresponsible not to make those phone calls.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing you can look at here, Dan,
Speaker 1: is a lot of these teams have left their options open,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean Denver and Carolina really like Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: they wind up passing on him, their options are open
Speaker 1: to go and get veteran quarterback. We see, you know, Miami,
Speaker 1: I think still sitting out there with a lot of capital,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe they'd be more in the Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson sweepstakes than the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes, if these sweepstakes
Speaker 1: ever happened, you know. But there are, you know a
Speaker 1: number of teams out there that have left their options open,
Speaker 1: and you know, at this point, like they I think
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers thing is where the Deshaun Watson thing
Speaker 1: was three months ago, where back then Nick Assario was
Speaker 1: getting phone calls and giving everybody a flat. Now the
Speaker 1: Packers response to anyone calling has been We're not trading
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. We'll see if that changes over Well, that's
Speaker 1: a dangerous game that some of these teams played on
Speaker 1: draft night that you love that quarterback, it's a young quarterback,
Speaker 1: and you decide that, hey, we're not going to take
Speaker 1: a quarterback that we think could be our future because
Speaker 1: we might be in the in the chase for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: just that. I mean, like, look for both Denver and Carolina,
Speaker 1: it was literally the top defensive player in the draft
Speaker 1: in their opinion J C. Horn for Carolina, Patrick's for
Speaker 1: Denver versus going all in on Justin Fields And if
Speaker 1: you take Justin Fields, then you're tied to him, like
Speaker 1: your job security, if your Matt Rule, your job security,
Speaker 1: if you're Vic Fangio and George Peyton, it ties directly
Speaker 1: to those guy, to that guy if you draft him
Speaker 1: that high. But I do think that a piece of
Speaker 1: it for both those teams was maintaining flexibility at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, knowing how quickly things have changed at that
Speaker 1: position over the last six months. And I think there's
Speaker 1: an acknowledgement there too, Dan, and this is league wide.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you talk to any general manager, they'll
Speaker 1: acknowledge this. The like the way quarterbacks are being handled
Speaker 1: is starting to change. And I think a huge part
Speaker 1: of that goes back to Tom Brady and the way
Speaker 1: that the Bucks have built around Tom Brady and the
Speaker 1: way the Bucks have mortgaged contracts to win in a
Speaker 1: certain window. Was Tom Brady and the fact that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady took the risk of changing teams so late and
Speaker 1: a career and it worked and they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think that there are some
Speaker 1: teams that are looking at like the landscape right now
Speaker 1: the NFL and saying if these high end quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to be available, if Deshaun Watson or Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is going to be available over the next four or
Speaker 1: five months, maybe we're best off taking a really good
Speaker 1: player at the top of the draft and keeping our
Speaker 1: options open at the most important position. But if I said,
Speaker 1: if you were going to I guess it's a hunch,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's not fair to you. Who's the quarterback
Speaker 1: Week one for the Packers? Who's the quarterback Week one
Speaker 1: for the Texans? The quarterback Week one for the Packers,
Speaker 1: I believe is going to be Aaron Rodgers. I think
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to fix it. Now. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be complicated because I think what Aaron wants, like the
Speaker 1: ship sort of sailed on that, you know. I think
Speaker 1: what Aaron wants is again like the Packers, to build
Speaker 1: with the same sort of urgency that the Bucks have
Speaker 1: built around Tom Brady, and you know, I think, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: how do you do that now? Right? Like free agencies over?
Speaker 1: The draft's over, I mean, you're into You're into the
Speaker 1: end of May. Like, I mean, maybe you can trade
Speaker 1: for Julio Jones, But what can you do other than
Speaker 1: make promises to Aaron Rodgers that we're gonna take the
Speaker 1: way that we've done business for the last thirty years
Speaker 1: and we're gonna throw it out starting in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Is that how you get him back in? Maybe it is,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think that something like that has
Speaker 1: to happen. And then the Texans, like, I think the
Speaker 1: likelihood right now is that Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback there.
Speaker 1: And I also think there's a likelihood that Deshaun Watson's
Speaker 1: played his last game as a Texan. I think, whenever
Speaker 1: you have whenever we get clarity on the legal situation,
Speaker 1: in the league situation. You know, I do think Houston's
Speaker 1: gonna wind up moving him, and I'm not sure where,
Speaker 1: but you know, I do know that the tone in
Speaker 1: that building changed a whole bunch from January to the
Speaker 1: end of March into April. You know, I talked on
Speaker 1: my podcast to the GM there, Nick Kissario, and I
Speaker 1: gave him, you know, a half dozen different chances to say,
Speaker 1: you know, Deshaun Watson is our quarterback, Deshaun Watson's going
Speaker 1: to be our starter, and he wouldn't do it. And
Speaker 1: that was a very marked change from where they had been,
Speaker 1: even like three or four weeks before that. And so
Speaker 1: I think that there's a likelihood that Deshaun Watson gets
Speaker 1: moved whenever the league and the legal system give us
Speaker 1: clarity on of where he stands. He's Albert Breer's senior
Speaker 1: NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned this yesterday, which is part of
Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted to have you on that.
Speaker 1: You know, don't count out Miami with DeShawn Watson. It
Speaker 1: feels like that has been the destination that he wants,
Speaker 1: and that's the quarterback they want, even though they have
Speaker 1: two a tongue of iolois, So why do you think
Speaker 1: that that's still a possibility. He gives them a chance
Speaker 1: to get a lot better at the most important position
Speaker 1: on the field without blowing up there what they've been
Speaker 1: doing for the last three off seasons. I do know that,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian Flores is confident in the culture that
Speaker 1: he's built and the ability to absorb, you know, a
Speaker 1: story like that. I think he feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the organization in a place where where they
Speaker 1: can do that. And if you look at the capitol
Speaker 1: they've got to offer Houston. Think about this, Dan, like
Speaker 1: Nick Assaria comes from New England. What college program is
Speaker 1: New England closest too closest to Alabama? Right, So you
Speaker 1: would think that nickos Sario probably has good information on Tua.
Speaker 1: So I think Tua in a Miami Houston deal could
Speaker 1: wind up becoming a really interesting chip where maybe Nickossario
Speaker 1: looks at and says, we get Tua in here. Now
Speaker 1: we got Tuah and Davis Mills who we took in
Speaker 1: the third round, throw them into a competition behind Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have something at quarterback, then that can that
Speaker 1: they can you know, answer the question long term for us.
Speaker 1: And then Miami has a first round pick next year
Speaker 1: and two first round picks in twenty twenty three to offer,
Speaker 1: So you add all of it up, and with the
Speaker 1: capital that they have, you could really offer something enticing
Speaker 1: to Houston without completely blowing up what you've been building
Speaker 1: for the last three years. And when you're talking about
Speaker 1: trading for a player like a Deshaun Watson or and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, like in most cases, you've got to completely
Speaker 1: blow up your timeline, right Like you've got to all right, like,
Speaker 1: we're getting rid of all of this draft capital. We're
Speaker 1: going to build our team a different way. Miami doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do that. Miami is set up in a
Speaker 1: way where they could go and get Deshaun Watson, give
Speaker 1: Houston something really good, and come out of it still
Speaker 1: sort of on the same timeline they've been building on
Speaker 1: for the last three years. Urban Meyer and his decisions
Speaker 1: that he's made, whether it's bringing in the strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning coach from Iowa and that didn't do well, drafting
Speaker 1: a running back Travis Etn and maybe making him a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Now you have Tim Tebow here, is there
Speaker 1: a perception of Urban Meyer that's forming in your opinion
Speaker 1: of just what he's doing as a NFL coach as
Speaker 1: opposed to a college coach. So like, if you look
Speaker 1: at his staff, there are a lot of NFL assistants, right,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys who are plainly NFL coaches. Now,
Speaker 1: there are some guys like Charlie Strong on the staff
Speaker 1: that go back with him, but there's you know, Chris Ash,
Speaker 1: you know, But there are like guys that are you know,
Speaker 1: like Daryl Bevil, like Brian Schottenheimer, like Joe Cullen that
Speaker 1: are strictly NFL assistants. I think what you look at
Speaker 1: when you see some of the moves you're talking about
Speaker 1: is maybe Urban is going to adjust some, but he's
Speaker 1: also going to bring a lot of what he already
Speaker 1: was at the college level with him. And I think
Speaker 1: the proper comparison for Travis Eten, if you want to
Speaker 1: really look at it, is Percy Harvin at Florida or
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuelt Ohio State. Like That's what I think they
Speaker 1: envisioned Travis em being. And it also explains why you
Speaker 1: take a ten even though You've got James Robinson and
Speaker 1: and Carlos Hide at tailback already, so like you see
Speaker 1: him in sort of that h back role. Then go
Speaker 1: over to Tebo. What's Tebow? Well, if you look at
Speaker 1: what Urban Meyer became the last few years at Ohio State,
Speaker 1: really he's more of a culture coach than anything else.
Speaker 1: He's a program builder. And what do coaches like that
Speaker 1: do Well, they value guys who can sell what they're
Speaker 1: bringing into a program in the locker room. And Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow can do that over the next three or four
Speaker 1: months for Urban Meyers. So maybe he makes it, maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but at the very least he's got a
Speaker 1: guy who has some name recognition in the locker room
Speaker 1: who can help Urban try to sell the program that
Speaker 1: he's bringing to the NFL. And so I think when
Speaker 1: you add those things up, Dan, I think you see,
Speaker 1: you know, While Urban is willing to bend some you know,
Speaker 1: and that shows in all the NFL assistance he's brought in,
Speaker 1: he's also got his own ideas that have worked for
Speaker 1: him for the last twenty years that are absolutely coming
Speaker 1: with him. Why is Tebo so polarizing to people? It's
Speaker 1: fascinating because I don't even know how to answer this, Dan,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's weird, right, like, But I think a
Speaker 1: big part of it is he was on the front
Speaker 1: end of playing quarterback in a different way, right And
Speaker 1: he was sort of on the front end of the
Speaker 1: NFL game changing to adjust to allow quarterbacks like this
Speaker 1: to play in the league, you know. And around the
Speaker 1: same time that, like a Cam Newton came into the NFL,
Speaker 1: a Robert Griffin the third came in the NFL. Now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're Tommy Frazier's and your
Speaker 1: Scott Frosts from thirty years ago, We're getting a shot
Speaker 1: in the league. And so you had this guy coming
Speaker 1: from Florida who didn't really look like you play the
Speaker 1: quarterback position in a conventional manner, but was such an
Speaker 1: a plus guy from an intangible standpoint, and had such
Speaker 1: a large following. And there's the religious thing, and so
Speaker 1: I just think he became polarizing because he was so
Speaker 1: popular with a certain group of people that automatically that's
Speaker 1: going to make you sort of another group of people
Speaker 1: sort of skeptical of who you are as a player.
Speaker 1: And I like, I probably just did a horrible job
Speaker 1: of explaining that to you because there's so much there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I like it's weird, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'll give you this. I went back and so I
Speaker 1: talked with John Fox a couple days ago about about
Speaker 1: Tebow as a tight end, and he brought to light
Speaker 1: to me, said like, well, you know, we actually put
Speaker 1: him in a game as a tight end. And I
Speaker 1: didn't even remember this at all. His second game in Denver,
Speaker 1: John Fox's second game in Tember, they put him in
Speaker 1: the game at tight end and he played three plays
Speaker 1: and Fox he said to me, He's like, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like he looked functional out there. So I
Speaker 1: went back in my game pass and I looked it up.
Speaker 1: You know. The first thing I noticed about it, Dan
Speaker 1: was was when he came on the field, the crowd
Speaker 1: had been quiet, right, and it popped and it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And here's a guy coming into an emergency situation and
Speaker 1: like he like he's wearing receiver gloves, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's wearing elbow pads. It's like like I almost forget
Speaker 1: how how just insane that story was. So uh that's
Speaker 1: like I said, I've done a horrific job of answering
Speaker 1: that question for you. But it's hard to explain, right,
Speaker 1: Like you just know when you see it. But it's
Speaker 1: it's gimmicky. But then there's so many things in life
Speaker 1: that are gimmicky. You know. I go, like this, uh,
Speaker 1: guy fighting Floyd Mayweather, you know, Jake Paul or whatever,
Speaker 1: Logan Paul, Like he's nobody, but it's a gimmick and
Speaker 1: he gets a chance to get in the ring with
Speaker 1: one of the great fighters of all time and make
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. Uh, you know, we take chances, give chances,
Speaker 1: we do favors. All of this is just the ninety
Speaker 1: man roster. And I'm going if a guy is going
Speaker 1: to lose his roster spot on the ninety man roster,
Speaker 1: then he deserves to have it in jeopardy if you
Speaker 1: Tebow comes in and takes it from you, right, And
Speaker 1: I guess it's the I immediately when you when you
Speaker 1: bought all that stuff up, immediately thought for some reason
Speaker 1: about Chad Johnson racing the horse Um well, DK metcalf.
Speaker 1: They gave him a spot to run in that race. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it's some but you know what, like
Speaker 1: like now that you mentioned it, it's like kind of
Speaker 1: I guess what we're talking about is seeing something that
Speaker 1: seems absurd on its face, right, And that whole thing
Speaker 1: was absurd, Like you remember that Bears game, right, like
Speaker 1: where like the ball goes out of back like and
Speaker 1: she's like the weirdest stuff was happening and it was unexplainable,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like backed up like this guy,
Speaker 1: Like there's just something intangibly intangible about this guy that
Speaker 1: like you can't explain it, and it may look like crap,
Speaker 1: but somehow, at the end of the day, at the
Speaker 1: end of the game, you look up at the scoreboard
Speaker 1: and his team has more points than the other team, right,
Speaker 1: And so it was just like, I guess that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's like we we we all witnessed something
Speaker 1: that was so like just on its face absurd in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, and maybe like in the back of
Speaker 1: our heads, we're all wondering if some version of that
Speaker 1: could play out again ten years later in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's the best way to explain it, I guess, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy almost the guy almost made the
Speaker 1: forty man roster with the Mets, and he hadn't played
Speaker 1: baseball since high school. I like, he's like the real
Speaker 1: life Forrest Gump. But you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: gimmicky as well. And they they used him and he
Speaker 1: used them, so there was reciprocation there. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Jacksonville's doing that that Hey, come on in. I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine when he goes into a game in Jacksonville, in
Speaker 1: his hometown, he'll get a bigger roar than Trevor Lawrence will.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing. Ninety minutes from Gainsville,
Speaker 1: I think, right, Like, I mean, like maybe this wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a circus in Kansas City, but in Jacksonville, where
Speaker 1: like everyone who covers the Gators can just get in
Speaker 1: their car and drive over, right, Like, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the thing about it. Like that's that to me is
Speaker 1: what's so interesting about this calculation for urban Meyer is
Speaker 1: like it'd be one thing if he was bringing in
Speaker 1: a guy who was maybe a good player for him
Speaker 1: at Florida Ohio State and it has like a nominal
Speaker 1: chance of making the roster, right, But the stuff that
Speaker 1: you're inviting in with tim which and again like this
Speaker 1: isn't even his fault. It just comes with him, like
Speaker 1: the circus that you're bringing with him, and then the
Speaker 1: other players constantly having to answer questions about it. Like,
Speaker 1: I think the real risk here, and this part's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. I think the real risk here for Urban
Speaker 1: is does it chip away your credibility at all? Like
Speaker 1: if you're bringing him in and you're asking the team
Speaker 1: to accept him as an NFL tight end, right, and
Speaker 1: it just looks awful and then you hang on like so, like,
Speaker 1: let's say we get to training camp and it looks
Speaker 1: terrible the first three days of camp, right, and remember
Speaker 1: people like didn't look good in practice a quarterback in Denver.
Speaker 1: So like let's say, like it just doesn't look right
Speaker 1: the first three or four days. Does Urban have to
Speaker 1: get rid of him? Right? Because the guy's done on scholarship? Like,
Speaker 1: does does Urban have to get rid of him? Right? Like?
Speaker 1: Like so like at that point, like do you get
Speaker 1: rid of him? Or and if you hang onto him
Speaker 1: for another couple of weeks, does that chip await your credibility?
Speaker 1: Because there are other guys trying to make the team there, right,
Speaker 1: that are looking at it and saying to themselves, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like this guy, like what is this, like,
Speaker 1: why is this happening over here? The guys? I mean,
Speaker 1: And it's not like he's twenty three years old. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're projecting three years into the future, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, like, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: real upside here? The guy's not going to become Tony
Speaker 1: Gonzal It's at least I don't think so, you know.
Speaker 1: Like so that's the thing about it, Like that the
Speaker 1: credibility part of it. I think it's really interesting because
Speaker 1: Urban takes that stuff so seriously, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like having credibility with his players, and that's why so
Speaker 1: many of his guys believe in him so deeply, is
Speaker 1: because he's brought such credibility to the table and everything
Speaker 1: that he does. And that's what's so interesting. And you
Speaker 1: sort of wonder, like, what's the plan for him and
Speaker 1: deserve and just have a blind spot for this guy,
Speaker 1: or is there something more to it? Great to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Albert. Thanks, We appreciate your time. All right,
Speaker 1: great to talk to you, Dan. That's Albert Brier the
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Speaker 1: Albert Poohole's postseason stats with the Cardinals he played in
Speaker 1: seventy four games, three hundred thirty one plate appearances, three
Speaker 1: World Series appearances. Albert Poohole's postseason stats with the Angels
Speaker 1: three games, thirteen plate appearances, zero World Series appearances. Stat
Speaker 1: of the day, stat of the day, that past out
Speaker 1: of the day, stat of the day he comes that
Speaker 1: what stat of the day? Basically ten years in both places.
Speaker 1: Ten years with the Cardinals, he was a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer after ten years, and then that second half was
Speaker 1: he was just marginal average. Yet do we need a
Speaker 1: sounder for sort of a negative stat of the day?
Speaker 1: That one was a little bit of a downer, okay,
Speaker 1: and then to have on Burgundy comes swinging in with
Speaker 1: the stat of the day. Sound oh no, okay? Uh?
Speaker 1: The RBI for pool holes two thousand, one hundred and thirteenth,
Speaker 1: third most behind Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth. How is that?
Speaker 1: Seaton posit positive? Okay? The day? Okay, beast stat of
Speaker 1: the day, stat of the day? Here comes that? What
Speaker 1: stat of the day? Pooh Hols is now played in
Speaker 1: two thousand, eight hundred eighty seven career games, the most
Speaker 1: of any active player in Major League Baseball. This is yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, out of the day, day, start of
Speaker 1: the day. But let's say we need one that's like
Speaker 1: a great stat of the day, okay, like a negative yeah,
Speaker 1: negative negative day negative stat of the day, yes, polling. Shockingly,
Speaker 1: I worked up the first stat of the day of
Speaker 1: this segment that was more negative against Pools, but it's
Speaker 1: complimentary towards the Cardinal organization. Look what they did. They
Speaker 1: got the best out of him, and they were financially
Speaker 1: smart and said, look, we're not going to pay for
Speaker 1: a second half. I wondered if the Cardinals were going
Speaker 1: to bring him back. I wonder if Tony LaRussa was
Speaker 1: going to have him go to Chicago. The surprising aspect
Speaker 1: is going to the National League where you don't have
Speaker 1: the DH That was the one part of this that
Speaker 1: surprised me that National League teams would have been interested
Speaker 1: in pools. But you know, Dodgers got him. If he
Speaker 1: can provide a couple of moments for them, big moments
Speaker 1: facing left handed pitching, then you know, maybe this is
Speaker 1: all worth it. And you know, maybe Albert just wants
Speaker 1: to let people know what he used to be, who
Speaker 1: he was. Maybe get a chance to play in the
Speaker 1: postseason again. Yeah play you think poolholes anytime in the
Speaker 1: next few months. Gets up in the morning, he a
Speaker 1: little tire for the night before, head, has coffee and
Speaker 1: starts driving to the Angels Ballpark. He's like, twenty minutes
Speaker 1: towards Eiesel barg God damn it, I've done that with
Speaker 1: ESPN when I when I'd be like, I'm going towards
Speaker 1: the highway and all of a sudden, I'm going, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it what am I doing? Just you know,
Speaker 1: it's muscle memory or mental memory. NBA MVP voting opened
Speaker 1: May fifth. It ends tonight at eleven fifty nine Eastern.
Speaker 1: If it opened yesterday, that might have been a little
Speaker 1: bit better for Steph Curry. If it ended at like
Speaker 1: you know, it would even help Tomorrow night at eleven
Speaker 1: fifty nine eastern. You know, maybe he's gonna be top five?
Speaker 1: Is he top three? Maybe? I don't know why it
Speaker 1: matters to me so much. Coming up a little bit,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Chris Mannox, we'll get his MVP ballot.
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