1 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Well we have come out y'all site. 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Donna, may I get to saying you a common sound 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: will be as I am high Lena tell. 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: And if you want a little banging and ye I 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: come along. 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: There's no evidence to support the allegations that my father 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: was financially involved in my business because it did not happen. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ask the press to step out so 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 4: we can begin a brief thank you, thank you, thank you. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: Mister President. 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Mister President, sure your son had the father Usu Poenafradom. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Is back in style, Welcome to the revolution, coming to your. 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Site, want to play against and saying you a conscious sungn. 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: Henny the New Sean Hennity Show, More me I'm the scenes, 16 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: information on freaking news and more bold inspired solutions for America. 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: Always an honor to be in from my friend Sean 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: Hennity taking the well deserved day off today in with 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: Linda McLaughlin, the executive producer of course, and Ethan is 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: on the board. 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Get done for us. 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: It is your boy. Joe Paggs Go to Joe PAGs 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: dot com j O E. 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: P A. 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: G s dot co. On the power of this radio show. 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: We gained like five hundred followers on X Little while 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: ago Joe Joe Talk Show on X j O E 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: t A l K S h O w over on Instagram, 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: it's also Joe Talk Show. If you just want to 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: check out everything that we do, Joe PAGs dot com, 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: and of course everything Sean Hannity is at is at 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: Hennity dot com. Linda, we're up and running, and we 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: know about Michelle Woo out of Boston. For some reason, 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: all of mausets it's run like through one central hub, 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: which is Harvard. She's a Harvard person, she's a protege 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: of Elizabeth Warren. This Claudine Gay thing, which is which 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: is big news. We're gonna have doctor Carl Swain on 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: about that. Harvard has its teeth in everything in that area. 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: It was leaked out that an assistant to the mayor, 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: Michelle Wu, sent out an email by accident to everybody 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: which was only meant to go to electeds of color. Linda, 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: had you ever heard the word elected used as a 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: noun before. 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 5: There's a lot of things I haven't heard before. 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 3: That's definitely in one of them. That was I was like, 46 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: what is this electeds of color were invited to the 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: holiday party, and when they were caught because the assistant 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: accidentally sent it to everybody, Michelle Wu said, listen, we 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: have inclusive parties for everybody. We're gonna enjoy that party 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: and enjoy the next party. And the one thing that 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: she forgot to tell everybody is that the no whites 52 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: allowed holiday party. Well, she brought her husband, and her 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: husband's a big white guy. 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 5: I love you saw this, So he doesn't identify as 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: a white guy. Clearly, he just identifies as a person 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 5: of color's husband, because I mean, really, otherwise it wouldn't 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 5: be not allowed in I mean, it's just ridiculous. 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: This is why I learned so much from you. Well, 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: as I'm known to do, I couldn't not do a 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: pag's parody to bring the season and write about this again. 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 3: Keep them on. Here are the details. This is in Boston, Massachusetts. 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: The mayor there is an Asian American or American of 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: Asian descent, Michelle Wou. She sent out a letter to 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: the electeds of color, which means no white people allowed 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: to come and enjoy a holiday party just for them. 66 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: So we're going to segregate and I had to do 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: a song on this because I found it to be 68 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: hilarious what they're trying to do, and the fact that 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: her husband is white and she brought them. This is 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: we're ending all your white privilege a PAGs parody. Let's go, we. 71 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Ending all your privilege. We'll keep your wide as out 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: of him. 73 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: You can't kill it. The white guy will have food, 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: horn and spirits. That whidiness will clear out of. 75 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: Our eyes sighted without. 76 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: Thee Come on, now we ending all that? Why ribleved? 77 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: We'll leave you out with all our minds. We will 78 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: ally deep. 79 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Into the night knowing a skin tone? Is it? Why? 80 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: And then we noticed that she brought her husband. We 81 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: gotta go there. 82 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Who screwed up and brought some bread? Why do? Who 83 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: is that? Cats for looking guy? 84 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: You could see him calling his skin on becoming Why 85 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: he wearing that dumb tie? I don't not him in 86 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: front of the guy's tie. I don't know why bringing 87 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: up what do you mean that is her husband she married? 88 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: That just ain't ride? Turns out geese not shop. 89 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Nor ride? 90 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: Was she drunk? 91 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: Did she not? She? Why? 92 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: I think it brings joy for the holidays at PAGs 93 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: parody ending your white privilege, little sum sum for you, 94 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: then the thumbs upper, thumbs down. 95 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: You can be honest. 96 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 5: Listen, man, it's you singing, it's Christmas, and it's calling 97 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 5: out wokeness. I give it a ten out of ten 98 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: all day every day. 99 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: I well, judge, well, jes, thank you so much. If 100 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: you want to see that, you can go to rumble 101 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: dot com slash Joe Pegs. We actually have it up 102 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: there as we aired it the other day on my show. 103 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: I want to get into an interview quickly. I'm going 104 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: to give you a part of my interview with doctor 105 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: Carrol Swain. Doctor Swain is is somebody who's been honored 106 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: and renowned as an incredible mind when it comes to education, 107 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: when it comes to calling out a wokeness, when it 108 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: comes to telling the truth about what's happening in our society. 109 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: Since the early nineteen nineties, she had no idea that 110 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard, was accused of plagiarizing her. 111 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: In fact, before he played the parody, I saw Fox 112 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: News had a headline there are forty new allegations of 113 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: plagiarism against Claudine Gay that just came out today. So 114 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: I want to give you a part of my interview 115 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: with doctor Carol Swain. Talk to her just the other 116 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: day about this. She is in the center of a firestorm. 117 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: She didn't even know what's coming. Great to have you 118 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: along for the ride. Thanks lot for stopping. I'm really 119 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: sorry about what's going on right now. You told me 120 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: before we started that you're a bit exhausted, as you 121 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: should be. You've been in the media for a week 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: or so now because this whole Claudine Gay thing from Harvard. 123 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: I did not realize until probably four or five days 124 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: ago that the person she allegedly stole from was doctor 125 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: Carol Mswain, who, by the way, he's got a book 126 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: got called Adversity of Diversity, How Real Unity Training can 127 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: promote healing in a post affirmative action world. Go and 128 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: get that book. I urge you to do that. When 129 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: did you find out that you were sort of in 130 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: the middle of this whole thing. 131 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 6: Sunday evening a week ago, right after church, I got 132 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 6: a phone call from I guess it's okay to say, well, 133 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 6: I won't say his name, but a famed economist who 134 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 6: when he called I said, what's wrong? 135 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: You know I didn't know. 136 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 6: He doesn't normally call me at home, so I didn't 137 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 6: know what was going on. And he said, the president 138 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 6: of Harvard University has been has when she's been accused 139 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: of pleasurism, and guess who she pleasurized you? 140 00:08:59,520 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: Wow. 141 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 6: I got several phone calls, one from a former student 142 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 6: who was living in Hong Kong, and also texts and emails, 143 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 6: and I went to Chris Ruffo's Twitter page and I 144 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 6: read the articles. And until then I was not aware 145 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 6: of the controversy, nor had I read her dissertation or 146 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 6: followed her work. I didn't realize how closely her work 147 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 6: paralleled my work, and initially I did not want to 148 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 6: rush to judgment. People asked me about it, and I 149 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 6: said something like imitation is the highest form of flattery 150 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 6: and if this is true, her committee, her colleagues, and 151 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 6: other people bear some responsibility. That was my Sunday evening response. 152 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 6: I said, I need to investigate. Monday morning, I had 153 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 6: articles pulled some of her articles. Did not get the 154 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 6: dissertation until yesterday, But with the articles, I saw that 155 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 6: she was actually writing by congressional representation and descriptive representation 156 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 6: in areas where my work was considered path breaking. She 157 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 6: would have a citation in the bibliography, but there was 158 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 6: no way if you were reading her work, you would 159 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 6: know that she was building on my work in Black Faces, 160 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 6: Black Interests, the Representation of African Americans in Congress. 161 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: It was my first book. 162 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 6: It won three national prizes, was cited by the US 163 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 6: Supreme Court, and Library Choice magazine selected it as one 164 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 6: of the outstanding books of nineteen ninety four, and it 165 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 6: was considered a path breaking book, which you had to 166 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 6: have at that time in the Ivy League to get tenure. 167 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 6: I got early tenure on the basis of that book, 168 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 6: and I was say it on Monday when I realized 169 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 6: that she had plagiarized. But I was saved for myself 170 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 6: because I felt like she had cheated me out of 171 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 6: citations and in that demi acetations matter, she's not citing 172 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 6: my work adequately than other people are not aware of 173 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 6: it that come behind her, her students, and then it's 174 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: a ripple effect. So I went from you know, trying 175 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 6: to be calm on Sunday. I was very calm on Sunday. 176 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 6: I joked about it, said on Monday and lived on Tuesday. 177 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 6: When the Harvard Corporation said that they were going to 178 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 6: stand behind her. 179 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: She was gonna get to do a do over. 180 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 6: She's not gonna be held accountable. 181 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: Then I was livid. 182 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 6: I almost never get upset, almost I'm always calm. I'm 183 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 6: telling you, I had a rough twenty four hours of anger. 184 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 6: I was seething at the whole idea that they would 185 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 6: try Harvard would try to redefine what his fleagerism just 186 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 6: to keep someone. When I looked at her tenure record, 187 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 6: the articles she would have put forth, it was mediocre. 188 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 6: There's no way that should have gotten hurt tenure in 189 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 6: the Ivy League, much less arise to the rank of 190 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 6: the Harvard president. I was pretty upset, well. 191 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: I can imagine, and rightfully so. The latest book from 192 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: doctor Carrol Swain is Adversity of Diversity, Go and get that. 193 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 3: So nobody's ever plagiarized me. So I just want to 194 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: figure out how it works from what I understand, And 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: the definition of plagiarism is you're taking somebody wholesale, taking 196 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: what they did and calling it your own. But you said, 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: cited me a few times? Had she done that and 198 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: then cited you in the bibliography or in the index? Whatever? 199 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: Would that have been enough or should she not have 200 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: done what she did to begin with. 201 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: Joe, let me say that she I was not the 202 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 6: only scholar affected, and she stole from the best of them. 203 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 6: Most of the people she stole were people she took 204 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 6: ideas from, with people that were prestigious universities like me. Yes, 205 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 6: in my case, there are two passages that are pretty 206 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 6: much verbatim. One is from the prize winning book Black 207 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 6: Faces Black Interest, and another is from an article that 208 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 6: I published in Congressional Quarterly Press in nineteen ninety seven. 209 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,119 Speaker 6: And so my larger argument, the one that I've outlined 210 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 6: in Today's New York Times, well, yeah, in Monday's New 211 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 6: York Times, is that because I was the person who 212 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 6: had completed the similar work in that area on black 213 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: representation districting, my book was considered, you know, the pathbreaking book, 214 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 6: her not acknowledging it adequately. I don't think it's adequate 215 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 6: just to have it in a strang of citations when 216 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 6: you're writing articles on the exact same area. So part 217 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 6: of my complaint is not just two instances of verbatim. 218 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 6: And I've been told by some people that there are 219 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 6: more instances of her pleasurism of my book, But I 220 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 6: have not completed reading her dissertation, so I can't say. 221 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 6: But some people are saying that there's more evidence. But 222 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 6: it's clear that her whole dissertation, her early research record, 223 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 6: was motivated by my work, and I don't think that 224 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 6: she gives sufficient attribution. In fact, there are places where 225 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: she down plays and says that, you know, the work 226 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 6: has not been done in this area. 227 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: Wow. 228 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 6: But I am listed in the I'm listed in her bibliographies. 229 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 6: But the particular places where it was pleasurized, they were 230 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 6: not cited. And pleasurism the way we defined it most 231 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 6: is if you take verbatim from someone, or if you 232 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 6: a paraphrase and not cite, you know it's a loose paraphrase, right, 233 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 6: And in the cases where she got in the most trouble, 234 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 6: cases where it was just direct pleasurism, it seems to 235 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 6: have been laziness as much as anything else. 236 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: What's amazing about the story to me is that Claudine 237 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: Gay is being supported by the left in the country 238 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: because she happens to be a black female for those 239 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: who aren't watching, those who are just listening, and that 240 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: entire interview is up on Rumble Rumble dot com slash 241 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: Joe Peggs, Doctor Carol Swain happens to be a black female, 242 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: but she's the wrong kind of black female for those 243 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: who were attacking her and those who are attacking the 244 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: idea that you should get rid of Claudine Gay. She's 245 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: not left wing, she's not woke, she's not social justice warrior. 246 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: She tells the truth and she's an incredible, incredible professor 247 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: who deserves to have the stuff that's being used that 248 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: she wrote and came up with of her own mind 249 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: and her own research. She deserves to have that recognized 250 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: and sighted the right way. That entire interview again Rumble 251 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: dot Com slash Joe Peggs really enjoyed having her on. 252 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: I had no idea when this first broke that she 253 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: was who Gay is alleged to a plagiarized from, and 254 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: it blew my mind. Joe Pegs in for Sean Hannity. 255 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 7: We're back after this, Sean Hannity, Jocks and the people 256 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 7: involved in the top stories of the day every day. 257 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: Sean Hannity is on is of along for the ride. 258 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: Thanks lot for stopping. I'm glad to have this man back. 259 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: It is, of course, the former US representative, former judge 260 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: Ted Poe, Ted, how are you going to see you 261 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: doing great? Joe? Thanks merry? Almost Christmas? Can you believe 262 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: it's almost Christmas? 263 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: What is that? It's hard to believe. 264 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: You wake up, You wake up and it's Christmas time. 265 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: That's right, very very odd. 266 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: How fast the year is gone. But it's been a 267 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: year jam packed full of stuff. We want to talk 268 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: to Ukraine, we want to talk about Israel, we want 269 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: to talk about Hamas and has Bellah and how many 270 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: hostages do we have? 271 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: It not? 272 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: But I want to start with a legal question for you. 273 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: As President Trump faces ninety one counts in four different indictments, 274 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: they're all really stupid. I mean, on their face, they're 275 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: just dumb. But Jack Smith is probably the guy, the 276 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: prosecutor assigned in Washington that has the best chance of 277 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: getting anything as far as the conviction, probably on a 278 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: document that Trump allegedly showed some reporter and he said, hey, 279 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: I probably should have classified this, although he still allowed 280 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: to have all those documents. But the one case about 281 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 3: January sixth, how he somehow incited what happened on January sixth, 282 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: the Trump can't keep saying that the president had immunity 283 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: because January sixth, twenty twenty one, he was still the 284 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: President of the United States. Jack Smith, I guess tired 285 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: of hearing that claim, takes it to the Supreme Court. 286 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: Ed I think he's going to lose. Why would this 287 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: guy take it to the Supreme Court if he wants 288 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: a conviction. 289 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's Jack Smith. I think the 290 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: president had immunity. It has to be that way, that 291 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: the president had immunity, because if he did not have immunity, 292 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: all future presidents are going a lot of trouble by 293 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: decisions that they make that somebody doesn't like. Specifically, the 294 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: Justice Department or some state attorney general or some local 295 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: DA can indict president he had immunity. I think that's 296 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 2: the rootin that the Supreme Court will take well. 297 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's actually kind of simple. All you have 298 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: to let's say he didn't have immunity. As he's standing 299 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: there giving that speech that day, he says, I know 300 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: you're going to go to the Capitol, go patriotically, go peacefully. 301 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: At what point does somebody take away the First Amendment 302 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: rights of the president of the United States He had 303 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: the right to say those words. He had the right 304 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: to gather and do something peacefully. He had the right 305 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: to say, hey, I know you're going to go do this, 306 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: Go do it peacefully and patriotically. Let's say the Supreme 307 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: Court is all drunk that day and you never know, 308 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: and they decide he didn't have immunity. What's the case? 309 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Do you know? 310 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: There is no case. 311 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: There's still no case even if he didn't have immunity, 312 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: because he did not. In my opinion, his words did 313 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: not create an insurrection. The left says, well, he thought 314 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: about some things that might have caused insurrection. Thoughts are 315 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: not criminal under our law. So I don't think that 316 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: I think he had immunity. The words that he used 317 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 2: has free speech. But you know, people see it differently, 318 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: and that's where we are in this country. 319 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: Jed, is there something that you could do, if you 320 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: were still the congressman that would make the judge, this 321 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: department stop this. Clearly they're interfering with the election next year, 322 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Nobody who's got a brain thinks otherwise. 323 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: They're clearly interfering, trying to hurt this guy as he's 324 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: on the campaign tral. I mean Jacksmith has a court 325 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: date that's the day before Super Tuesday. For God's sakes. 326 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: I mean they're clearly trying to affect the outcome next year. 327 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: Can Congress do anything. 328 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 2: Well, they can. They can stop the money. They can 329 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: cut off all the money to the Justice Department. But 330 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: they won't do that because they don't have the spine 331 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: to do that. But that is the power of Congress. 332 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: Cut off the money. It's a rogue Justice Department. In 333 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: my opinion, it looks like that they are going after 334 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: conservatives and conservative office holders, conservative individuals, whether it's parents 335 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: in the school of situation or religious individuals. Cut off 336 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: the money. That can be done, Joe, But I don't 337 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: think Congress has the intestinal fortitude to cut off the 338 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: money to the Justice Department. 339 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: It's always hard to it's a former representative, Ted Poe. 340 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: Go follow them at Judge Ted Poe on on Twitter. 341 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: It's always confusing to me. Can the House of Representatives 342 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: that we keep hearing has the purse strings they control 343 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 3: the money. Can they specifically say we're taking Jack Smith's 344 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 3: money out individually? Can they do that or do they 345 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: have to do what you just said and defund the 346 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: entire Justice Department. 347 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: I think in the situation, they would have to defund 348 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: the Justice Department, specific agencies in the Justice Department. But 349 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: they can do that. They can pass legislation to not 350 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: allow any taxpayer funds to go to specific parts of 351 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: the Justice Department or all of the Justice Department. But 352 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: they don't do that. They have had that power since 353 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: the Constitution was written, and my opinion, they're spineless. They 354 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: won't take the avenue that they have to stop this 355 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: rogue Justice Department from going after conservative individuals in the 356 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: United States and people basically through our exercising their free 357 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: First Amendment free speech rights. 358 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: It is Ted Poe. We appreciate the time of the access. Ted. 359 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: Let me ask you another question about Congress Hunter Biden 360 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: was subpoenaed by the House. I believe it's the Oversight Committee. 361 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: Do if I get a subpoena from Congress? I guess 362 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: I just learned something new this week. Am I allowed 363 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: to say, I'll come, But you've got to do it 364 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: the way I say do it. You gotta put it 365 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 3: on camera. You gotta have all the cameras in there. 366 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: I've got to be able to say anything I want 367 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: to say, and if you want to do it some 368 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: other way, I'm just gonna get in the car and leave. 369 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 3: Can I do that? 370 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, you can't say that in your arrogance, like Hunter 371 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: Biden said it right, is arrogance. 372 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: But that's not the rules. 373 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: The rules are when Congress subpoena is somebody they got 374 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: to show up and they have to have first Normally 375 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: the situation is it's a closed hearing by Congress, as 376 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: was done in the January sixth hearings, and then there's 377 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: an open hearing. That's the way it is normally done. 378 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: You don't set the rules when you're subpoened, nor does 379 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: your lawyer. 380 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: Congress sets the rules, Ted, I thought that they were 381 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: doing it because Hunter Biden thought he would look sympathetic 382 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: to the public. But it turns out that's not why. 383 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: If you look at procedure as you know better than 384 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: I do. Certainly, if you do it in public like that, 385 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: it's five minutes for this person, five minutes for that question, 386 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: five minutes for the other one. When you do it 387 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: behind closed doors in a closed session where all the 388 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 3: testimony is going to come out eventually anyway, they're not 389 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: going to hide it they can take as much time 390 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 3: as they want. When Ivanka Trump was brought in, she 391 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: had to testify for eight straight hours. So he's trying 392 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 3: to avoid these members of Congress going through with tooth 393 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: and nail, just going through every single item. He wanted 394 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: to do it five minutes here, five minutes there, and 395 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: he'll come out looking good. 396 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to change the rules, but he can't 397 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: change the rules. And you said it exactly right. The 398 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: reason it's behind closed doors is because those hearings are 399 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: very lengthy and the witnesses are questioned by both sides 400 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: for a long time without the news cameras watching what 401 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: everybody is saying, and so he can get into more 402 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: detail and then but then there is the open hearing later, 403 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: and it works that way. It normally works that way. 404 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: But Hunter Biden is special Joe. He wants to change 405 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: the rules. So he goes out and he holds a 406 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: press conference and he gives his statement. Rather than face 407 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: the subpoena and follow the subpoena and show up in 408 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: front of the House of Representatives, he just he's arrogant 409 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: and he doesn't think the law applies to him. 410 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: Imagine that, Well, we have precedent ted. We have Peter Navarro, 411 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 3: we have Steve Bennin. They both you know, were in 412 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: trouble for not abiding by a subpoena. So what does 413 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: this mean that he's in conduct of Congress? Can he 414 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: be arrested? Can he be forced to come and testify? 415 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 3: What's the next step? 416 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, the next step is that the Congress can has 417 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: to be a vote by all of Congress, first the 418 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee or the Oversight Committee, and then it's the 419 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: all of Congress votes on whether or not the person 420 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 2: can is inheld in contempt. Then what Congress says, yes, 421 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: you're held in contempt, then the person has to show up, 422 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: but the person has a right to have that case 423 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: removed to federal court and let a federal judge decide 424 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: if the subpoena was accurate. Remember this all happened with 425 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: mister Withholder back when he was Attorney general. He was 426 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: held contempt at Congress. It was upheld by a district judge. 427 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: He was ordered to produce the records then of the 428 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 2: Benghazi situation, fast and furious, maybe and furious, fast and furious, 429 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: and he did. He did the Justice Department they complied. 430 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: So that's the way it normally works. But he didn't 431 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: show up in front of Congress. We'll see what they do. 432 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 3: One last thing on Hunter Biden with former US Representative 433 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: Ted Poe. Did you watch what he said outside because 434 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: he said something that was very very interesting to me. 435 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: Did you see it? 436 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: Yes? 437 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: I did. He said his father has never been financially 438 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: involved in his businesses. Now, we started with Joe Biden saying, 439 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: I didn't I know that Hunter, he is even on 440 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: the Forasona board. I don't know anything about his business 441 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: dealings overseas. And then he said, well, I have no 442 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: involvement in his business dealings overseas. Then he said, well, 443 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: I've never talked to his business partners. Then the picture 444 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: of him playing golf with them and Devin Archer of course, 445 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: testifies that Biden was involved at least twenty times he 446 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: can remember. And now it's he's never financially been involved. 447 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: They're moving the goldpost, aren't they. 448 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're changing the stories because they You know, when 449 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: you don't tell the truth all the time, sometimes you 450 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: forget it. Yeah, and then you say something else. And 451 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: that's what he's done. But I don't think I think 452 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: it's important that we don't lose sight of who the 453 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: investigation really is about. It's about the president. It's not 454 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: about Hunter Biden. It's about the things that the President 455 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: may have done, and I think that we need to 456 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: continue to focus on that. Hunter Biden is just one 457 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: episode in the conduct of the President. 458 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: Well, we have been talking about the border here in 459 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: Texas at former US Representative Ted Poe for three years now, 460 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 3: since Biden came in. Trump shut it down just by 461 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: following the law. The laws on the books that you 462 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 3: guys voted for in Congress are still very very good, 463 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: very very effective, as long as we enforce them. Biden 464 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 3: came in bunch of executive voter is not going to 465 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: enforce anything anymore. And the border is more porous than 466 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: we've ever seen. All of you saw the video out 467 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: of Eagle Pass, just like yesterday, which blows my mind. 468 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: Thousands of people just ready to walk on in and Ted, 469 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: it's not going to stop anytime soon. So Texas has 470 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: finally taken the step you and I have talked about, 471 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 3: which is if you come into Texas illegally, we're going 472 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: to We're going to trespass you and send you back. 473 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: This is a long time coming. You know, Biden is 474 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: going the administration is now going to sue Texas for 475 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: doing this. What's the outcome going to be? Can Texas 476 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: do this? 477 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: I think they can. I'm not sure how the federal 478 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: judges will rule. But isn't it interesting that you have 479 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 2: the federal government taken the side of people illegally entering 480 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: in the United States, and you have the state of 481 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: Texas taken the side of the citizens of the State 482 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: of Texas and the rest of the people affected by 483 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: illegal entry. Here's the way I think it might work. 484 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: It's a crime to trespass if you're illegally in the country. 485 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: It's a crime to test trespass on Texas soil, especially 486 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: private property, makes that a crime, and therefore the uhuh, 487 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: the court can send the person who came into Texas 488 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: illegally right back across the border. You know, it's a 489 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: good idea because the Mexican president has all been out 490 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: of shape and screaming and hollering about this procedure, but 491 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: it's I think it's something that can be done, especially 492 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: if the individual voluntarily returns to across the border. So 493 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: we'll see how that plays out. I think it's it's proper. Uh. 494 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: You may remember, maybe you're too young. But when I 495 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: was a judge, I had a guy in court who 496 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: was from Michigan. That was back when everybody from Michigan 497 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: was coming to Texas. He committed to crime. I gave 498 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: him the option to go to go to prison, or 499 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: go back to Mexican go back to Michigan. He took 500 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: the option reluctantly to go back to Michigan. He thought 501 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: maybe the being in prison might be worse than or 502 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: not as bad as going back to Michigan. But he 503 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: went back to Michigan. Voluntarily went back. And so that 504 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: that's a form of that when the people basically volunteer 505 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: to go back. I think that will work on the 506 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: not volunteering to go back as the consequences of the crime, 507 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 2: and Texas did change the law, so the consequence can 508 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: be taken right back across the border at the international 509 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: bridge and go back into Mexico. We'll see how that works. 510 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: But it's interesting the federal government takes the side of 511 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: the illegal trespasser into our country and not the side 512 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: of Americans and naturalized citizens and legal immigrants down on 513 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: the Texas border. And it's only going to fly to 514 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: the border. It's not applying all over the state of Texas. 515 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: It's not going to be up there in Amarilla or 516 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: any place like that. It's only at the border. I 517 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: think they can be sent back and we're going to 518 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: find out if if whose side the federal government is 519 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: on America's side or somebody else's. 520 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: It's Ted Poe again, former US representative, also former judge 521 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: expert Skydiver. People don't know this about Tedpoe. I don't 522 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: remember that case. I'm wait too. I probably wasn't born 523 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: when that case happened. But having said that, it doesn't. 524 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: Isn't it Article four, Section four, Article four, section two 525 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: of the Constitution that says the United States government shall 526 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: protect the borders of this country, and if they don't, 527 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: the citizens can. We're allowed to literally we can. I'm 528 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: not telling people to do this, but a militia can 529 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: be formed and go to the border and say you're 530 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: not doing it, We're going to do it. 531 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: I think the state of Texas has that right to 532 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: do that because of the seven million, seven million people 533 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: that have just crossed over the border under this administration. 534 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: Seven million. That's the size of New York City, seven million. 535 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: That's how many Jews are in Israel. Seven million have crossed. 536 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: It doesn't include the getaways or the Gutaways. 537 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: Test absolutely. When is it an invasion? You know, an 538 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: invasion doesn't have do it whether you have weapons or not. 539 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: It's an invasion of people coming into the US. I 540 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: think Texas and the other border states are within their 541 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: rights to protect the sovereignty of their state. If the 542 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: federal government not only refuses to do it, they say 543 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: they will. 544 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: Not do it. 545 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: It is a Ted Poe, former US representative. Follow them 546 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: at Judge Ted Poe kind of got like twenty thirty seconds. 547 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: Just tell me what should this administration be doing when 548 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: it comes to the proxies of Iran that are attacking 549 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: Americans around around the globe right now? 550 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: Not just tell them no, show them no. You cannot 551 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: mess with us. When they fire a missile into at 552 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 2: one of the American bases, as they have done now 553 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: over seventy five times, there needs to be a response 554 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: immediately we can do. We know where those missiles come where, 555 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: you're smart enough to know exact spot where those missiles come. 556 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: Lob another one over there, lob more than one. Make 557 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: them stop that's the only thing they understand. 558 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: Always appreciate the knowledge of the friendship. Merry Christmas, Tad, 559 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Joe. Thank you all right, brother, we're back 560 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: after this. Stay right here.