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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome on in. I'm jobless, so I got nothing

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Speaker 1: but time to stick to my podcasts. Off the edge

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Speaker 1: of podcast for me, Cam Jordan. Just know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about what it's like to be at Ghana because

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Speaker 1: I went to Ghana after across Ghana this last week.

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Speaker 1: Then of course we're going to talk about the games

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Speaker 1: that happened. I'm trying to you know, three two, three

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, I'm trying to watch the NFL

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Speaker 1: games as well as bringing my guy, you know, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Graham coming up. I'm excited, So let's get in with it.

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Speaker 1: First off, I went to Acra, Ghana. All my life.

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Speaker 1: I've been calling to Afra, Ghana, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: back to the Motherland. Dipped into Egypt a couple years

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Speaker 1: back and was like, I have to get back to Africa.

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Speaker 1: One day, had the opportunity to go to Acra. Wife,

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to go with me, her mom was

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Speaker 1: gonna watch the kids. A couple days before the trip,

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Speaker 1: her mom was like, can't watch the kids working. That's

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Speaker 1: a retire woman. You're messing up. You're messing up this livelihood.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you know, she's a strong a strong, independent

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Speaker 1: black woman. She refused to retire. It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: My wife had to stay home with the kids, and

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Speaker 1: I went to a crawl like. I was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hit Ghana. Then I was like, Lagos is

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Speaker 1: right there, Nigeria. There's an hour flight. I was like,

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Speaker 1: that I've been trying to get to all my life.

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Speaker 1: But it's okay. Once her mom wasn't able to watch

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Speaker 1: the kids, I was like, well, bab you know there's

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Speaker 1: there's Lagos Legos over there, and she was like, so

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna go extend your trip. I lost that

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Speaker 1: battle so fast. It's weird. It's just some hills aren't

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Speaker 1: worth climbing because if I get to the top of

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Speaker 1: the hill, I'm willing to die on it. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: willing to die on this hill, so I submitted. And

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Speaker 1: plus I had to get back to the cast. What

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't do from a magical majestic beach from Ghana side, No,

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Speaker 1: I got to be back here and doing this baby

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Speaker 1: with these beautiful, you know, portraits of myself here for

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I missed my family. After five days I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was in love with Ghana, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was. I got I went out there for a

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Speaker 1: quick little commercial shoot with the NFL, which means I

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Speaker 1: was on their time and their dollar, but I had

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Speaker 1: time to myself. Went out there. There was there was

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Speaker 1: some dope players out there. I was around a legend

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Speaker 1: of the game. I mean, I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: I can actually go into because you'll see the commercial

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Speaker 1: spot in a couple of weeks and you know, super bowlish.

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Speaker 1: So when I landed, they were like, oh, you're tired,

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Speaker 1: so we gave you the night off. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I took off at like four o'clock Wednesday. I think

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Speaker 1: I landed at like whatever that is, just call it

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, what are we getting into? And there,

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Speaker 1: you know, my guy Sekuan is there, say kuon Barkley, dope.

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Speaker 1: My guy Tim Ellis from the NFL is there? His titles?

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Speaker 1: What CFO whatever that is? You know, the crew that's

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Speaker 1: and I walk in and I'm like, yeah, we're going

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Speaker 1: He's like, no, man, you know going home down We

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Speaker 1: got an early shoot day and I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's cool it with me tonight. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: just forward of some room service and room services. It

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Speaker 1: never mind, I'm gonna crack open this book. I started

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Speaker 1: do whatever. I finished this book in acrawl the first night.

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Speaker 1: It's the Fourth Wing by I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: to say her name, Alyssa y Borrows, Alyssa whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: This is a dragon book, sci fi. This book. I

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Speaker 1: was walking and there was a store in Atlanta. I

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Speaker 1: picked up this book, The Fourth Wing again. This sci

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Speaker 1: Finished that book too, on the way back. But now

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Speaker 1: need to see what needs to be seen. So in

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Speaker 1: the independence market, I see our independence, the little you know,

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Speaker 1: So I saw that and I was like, all right, dope,

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Speaker 1: what next? I was like, I need to eat food

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Speaker 1: what I'm specializing. I can't go as hood as we

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Speaker 1: There was no such thing. So now my confidence at

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Speaker 1: So in this market I did them. I felt like Aladdin,

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Speaker 1: Just know, I was like, in my mind, this was

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Speaker 1: the rest of the day we walked the markets and

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Speaker 1: you know, it was good times. Great Ganan people are

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Speaker 1: I get to, you know, meet this amazing kid and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you're good name and he was like no,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nigerian. I was like, what, so we're shooting this commercial.

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Speaker 1: involved in this, like this situation. You know, the NFL

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Speaker 1: man yours there, the linebacker from the Browns, Jeremiah's there

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Speaker 1: and he's garbed out and got I said, I need that,

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Speaker 1: second day I was. There was a photo shoot. The

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I got I got real joll Off, not

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Speaker 1: where I need to be. You know, as I'm eating,

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Speaker 1: that in my plate of food. You know, they live

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Speaker 1: by it. They're like, oh, you have to try the plantains.

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Speaker 1: all the height that they get in different countries. Mid Now,

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Speaker 1: close thing I'm gonna get to a French fry. But

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Speaker 1: plantains make it so much better here here mid So

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Speaker 1: then they got this this green hobber Niro hot sauce

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Speaker 1: and I'm over here eating one of those ghost chili peppers.

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Speaker 1: But there's got so much flavor to it, Like it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't figured out now, when I'm traveling, I

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Speaker 1: really judge a place by the food that I consume.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of people like you know, my wife,

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Speaker 1: she's very up on the historic sites. Oh we went

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Speaker 1: of them things. It was like it was too easy,

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00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 1: Like over the top didn't even with the Cuddy. It

426
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 1: was the red zone. Over the top must need like

427
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: third down and like twelve or something like that. Like

428
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 1: and this is why you say that used to call

429
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: carp can't call Carot more like Jimmy g next next series.

430
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: You scored touchdown and was like what you came up

431
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: to the sideline, was like, I'm him, I was him,

432
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 1: I've been him. I am And I.

433
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, you know, and it's just like obviously

434
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 2: I love the game. That's what I'm gonna miss the most.

435
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: It's kind of that just the height with your teammates. Man,

436
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: there's there is nothing like that.

437
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: So that tweet all love whatever whatever you say.

438
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: Bro.

439
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: And I looked at I was like, oh, he just

440
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: met like scenes over.

441
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I mean nobody sent me up, you know.

442
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,719
Speaker 2: I mean obviously you know I was, I was an

443
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 2: active for a couple of games and whatnot, So you know,

444
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how people feel about me.

445
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: I mean I know that I know that I can

446
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 2: still run, I can still get open. You know, I'm

447
00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 2: still bigg.

448
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: So giving out work at practice.

449
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I was like first coming in

450
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 2: and not playing for a year. I knew the big

451
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: question was like can this guy even move? You know,

452
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't guy playing a decade ago? But with

453
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 2: all the biking I do. You know, I'm kind of

454
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: crazy when it comes to die and everything. Man, I

455
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: already knew it. I already knew like once my hamstrings

456
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: get used to the cutting, that that I was gonna

457
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: still be able to kill. And so you know, it

458
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: was just nice to be able to prove it kind

459
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: of basis, especially in practice.

460
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: Fact, I mean that's just it. You might have like

461
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: after taking a year off, there might have been a

462
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: cheat code, honestly, like let your body heal like an

463
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: off season. It takes you three and a half four

464
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: months to be like I'm good again.

465
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Speaker 2: I'm in onred percent. I mean really, so if you

466
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: can remember how kind of things went kind of in

467
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: the middle of my career, I get traded with the

468
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: knee brace. Yes, I mean I get traded for a

469
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: first round pick. I have some life stuff that went

470
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: down the off season and then we ten the highest

471
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: paid to ever live. I completely blow my knee up

472
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: and Victor Cruz called me and he said, hey, man,

473
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: this one's impossible. You know, we had the same injury,

474
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at my career and you know, I'm

475
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: trying to make it, you know, a Hall of Fame career,

476
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it like I might have even

477
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: play another snap. So to sit there and be on

478
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: crutches not way bearing for ten ten eleven weeks, I

479
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: had to learn how to walk, learn how to jog.

480
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: And in that season my patello actually wasn't healed completely.

481
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: But as you know, we gotta play, gotta meet, gotta meat,

482
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: gotta gotta be an FDL can miss games. So I

483
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: played the whole season with incomplete Patilla ended up making

484
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. But basically every every season after that,

485
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: I was having like minor surgeries just clean up some stuff,

486
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: just because I really wasn't able to let my knee

487
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: completely heal because the window and the off seasons just

488
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: so small, so I was just kind of always building

489
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: up for the seas and then this degradation of my

490
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: quad and my knee what happened during the season. So

491
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: taking that year off for me, man, it changed everything.

492
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: Like this is I mean my knee right now, it's

493
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: my knees are strong they've ever been and it was

494
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: from that year. And then obviously the bike, you.

495
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: Know right, Bi Yeah, man, you walked through the building.

496
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: You're like, You're like, bro, He's like, yeah, man, I

497
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: just a car hit me while I was on my

498
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: bike and I made sure the car was okay the

499
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: hell you're on Jimmy facts?

500
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: Well no all. I mean, well, obviously I lost a

501
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: little bit of a way, so I was wondering. So

502
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: once I got hit out of that car and just

503
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: ate it, I was like, man, I probably still do

504
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: this football thing.

505
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about this like this was an

506
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 1: off season. This is like, hey, I took you took

507
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: a year off, but like I don't know if I'm

508
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: coming back to football. So you're biking down and where

509
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: was it Miami?

510
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I'm bucking done in Miami, and I'm I'm

511
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: trying to prepare because I got some hundred mile races

512
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: uh to head to and then I ended up going

513
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: to I knew I was going to Italy to ride

514
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: across Tuscany, which is like three hundred miles, so I

515
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: was just training. I was on my way back to

516
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: boat and I had left the peloton, so it was

517
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of by myself. And about a week earlier there

518
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: was just like there's a there's a light where there's

519
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: kind of like a quick left turn, and every day

520
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: I used to go about it. I was like, man,

521
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: if somebody doesn't see me here, there's something dangerous. But

522
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of kept alert. And then literally

523
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: a week later, I'm just going on. I'm like hitting

524
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty five and I look and I'm like,

525
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: does this guy see me? And I'm like I don't know,

526
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: and he just yanks into me, and I mean that's

527
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: really all I could do is just kind of just

528
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: kind of brace for it. He hits me, I go

529
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: flying the bike. It was a it was a Mercedes Suv.

530
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: It hit me and then the whole bike ricocheted on

531
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: my right leg and I go flying through the air

532
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: land on my back. My helmet like splits open. I

533
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: think I was wearing helmet obviously around a bike. Always

534
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: wear a helmet. Never Never think you don't need a helmet.

535
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: And so at first I thought, I like, at first

536
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: I honestly thought that I broke my femur with the bike.

537
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: The bike was completely shattered. It shattered in like six places.

538
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: Everything was tore up.

539
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: But I know the street bikes is light and built

540
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: for speed.

541
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and the bike wasn't cheap. So the bike,

542
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: it was like a twenty thousand bike. But so we

543
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: got to replace. We got to crash replacement Specialized shoutout.

544
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, but you know, I ended up getting

545
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: stitches at the hospital. But you know, I was on

546
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: a bike two days later, you know, and everything was fine. Man,

547
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: always what type of bike is it?

548
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: Because now I want to know because like I've got

549
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: an orbea and I thought my orbeit was is a

550
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: beautiful bike, and I was like, yeah, man, seven thousand

551
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: dollar a bike. I was like, I'm top of the line.

552
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Like I had to work out to deal with them

553
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm not even.

554
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they're they're pretty and you got to think

555
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: about also the components. So my old bike was an

556
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: SL seven s work Specialized, but my new replacement was

557
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: a Slight, which is kind of their newer update, which

558
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: is beyond better, like in every way. The problem with

559
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: the SL seven for me, because I waste so much

560
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: is every time I would get up the sprint like

561
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: I have a My max wattage is two thousands, so

562
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: when I go to sprint, I could feel the bike

563
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: like flexing beneath me, like nasty, Like it just didn't

564
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: interesting and feel right. And then once I now with

565
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: the SLA, it's more, it's got more stiffness, it's more arrow,

566
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: It's like everything you want. And then my other bike,

567
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: my climbing bike is a is a Pinarella Dogma and

568
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: No one was the most expensive one.

569
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: Bro, you have a climbing bike, see this, I'm you know,

570
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm in Arizona, so I don't have heels, bro.

571
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So so basically in Miami, I have an

572
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: arrow bike which is really my SO eight now, which

573
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: is on a one by on the front, so I

574
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: got a big chain ring on the front because we're

575
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: just on flats, so I can just rip and and

576
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: really the object the object of that is because you're

577
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: pedlo constant for three hours, you're behind people, you're in

578
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: a peloton, you're trying to do these sprints. But a

579
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: climber needs to be lighter and also needs a completely

580
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: different gearing on the back because being this big, you're

581
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: going to be like when I'm up there in North Carolina,

582
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: or I go to Colorado, or I go to Europe

583
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: and bike, right.

584
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: No jokes. Mountains are no jokes, bro, I was I

585
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: told you about that.

586
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: I was.

587
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I was in Bilbao and I did. I died. I

588
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: died three times. I felt embarrassed. I was like no.

589
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I go fifteen twenty twenty five

590
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: miles in a day, like off just or whatever. He's like, yeah,

591
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna go for thirteen click and I was like

592
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: thirteen clicks. I was like, that's like six miles, seven miles,

593
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: whatever that is. It's like I got that, bro, I

594
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: had it three times, just like there's.

595
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, it's biking is the hardest, one

596
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: of the most competitive things I ever done in my

597
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: entire life. What these guys in the Twitter frances are

598
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: doing is I mean, it's there. They're basically killing themselves

599
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: every day through through a twenty one day period. Most

600
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: of those guys have like rabdough. They're completely wasted. They

601
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: lose all this. I mean, they're doing all they can

602
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: just to hold on. But when you're in the mountains, man,

603
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: especially guys our size, oh it's so much work. The

604
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: amount of watch it. So the mountains is wats per quilo.

605
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: That's how fast you know you can go off mountains.

606
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: And obviously we weigh way too much again a bike

607
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: doing a thing like that. So we're working ten times

608
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: hard than anybody that's molling ten times man.

609
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: Like I see the CAFs going, I'm like, bro, I'm pumping.

610
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm killing it, like I'm killing this right now. You're not.

611
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you take.

612
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: Off this, you know, the car takes you out. You

613
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: take out the car, You hit the ground, Bro, you splits,

614
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: you get up, you shake it off, and that makes

615
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: you be like, all right, I'm back, Like I'm ready

616
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: for football.

617
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: I think I can do this. But also because like

618
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: all the people I do and train with on a bike,

619
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: I kept telling everybody just how great my knee felt,

620
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, man, I feel unbelievable. And

621
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: plus I was I remember like I did like a

622
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: like a weak loading period before before I went down there,

623
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: just so I was like, because I hadn't ran or

624
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: cut since twenty twenty one, I had done anything. I

625
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: hadn't seen a ball in the air. I mean, I

626
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. I just showed up. So when I

627
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: was running, I felt bouncy like I used to, you know,

628
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: like back before the knee happened. I was like, man,

629
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I could do a backslup right now.

630
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 2: And so when I went down there, you know, obviously, man,

631
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: I still have the speed, still still could jump, and

632
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: I can honestly say it was because of the bike

633
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: and what it did for my name one hundred.

634
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Bro, you came, you came into what was that off season,

635
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever that was. You were like, you came to the building.

636
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you're not gonna text me and

637
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: let me know you coming back. I was like, I

638
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: was like, you want some jar like you want some

639
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: Jarry Jamonsko was like what you want? You're like, noah, Bro,

640
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm running this. He was like I think I got

641
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to run a forty at like eight. He's like, now,

642
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go run some browns whatever it is.

643
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: Or you came to practice the next day, Bro, I

644
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: was like, and Jimmy Matthews walked up to you like,

645
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you coached him, big.

646
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 2: Dog like you No, I'm out here. I'm out here

647
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: just just with you. It's funny to see. You know. Matthews, Man,

648
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: we we had battled so many times on separate teams.

649
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: You know.

650
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: I remember when I came his rookie year. He was

651
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: talking all this cash in the media before we played,

652
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: and Sean Payton was all over me about it. Sean

653
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Payton puts some like dB on me every down and

654
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: practice one on one and was like the honey Badger's

655
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: gonna be all over your honey budget. And and so

656
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: going to that game, I mean I was ready to die.

657
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm a murderous dude. We ended up

658
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: I ended up doing pretty well like that game, but

659
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: we ended up meeting up a couple of times in Seattle, Man,

660
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: and just have battles when he was in Arizona. Man,

661
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: I have so much respect for him and just how

662
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: he handles his business.

663
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: And because it comes up to your him.

664
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, DoD Is, it's like unbelievable how productive he's been

665
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: and how special he is, you know, I mean, especially

666
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: at his size or hype. You know, it's just like unreal.

667
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: His just his like his his intelligence of the game,

668
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: his like nose for the ball is just beyond special.

669
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy, Like I always just has a knack to

670
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: be where he's at. I've never had a I've never

671
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: got a chance to ask you out of you know,

672
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: you've you've seen what Jay Cunner, Aaron Rodgers, of course,

673
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you know, uh, you have Russ? Do you

674
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: have a favorite quarterback?

675
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: Man? I? You know, I have my favorites in different ways,

676
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like like like I break

677
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: things down on it, just just how they are as

678
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: a player, you know, and and and all three of

679
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: them are completely different, like human beings basically just how

680
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: they operate even on the field. Obviously, me and Drew

681
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: the connection, I don't think there was ever anything better,

682
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: you know, we uh you know, I think now when

683
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: you see guys like Travis, you know, and and san

684
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Fran you know, it's like that was also based on

685
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: a lot that me and Drew were able to do.

686
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: Obviously alongside of Gronk and Brady. You know, when me

687
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: and Drew together for those five years, the numbers we

688
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: put up and where we're able to do, and really

689
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: just the connection was so special. Man. He knew exactly

690
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: what I was doing and I knew what he was doing.

691
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: It was almost like we could read other thoughts and

692
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: then obviously went out of Seattle. They were more of

693
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: a run team, so you know, for me, they're like, hey,

694
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: I know you're used to getting the hundred balls the season,

695
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: but if you get sixty here, you're gonna break every record.

696
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I still have other records, but

697
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: it's it still was only like sixty. And they were right,

698
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: it was, you know, I mean it was different because

699
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: we just ran the ball so much and a lot

700
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: of play action, a lot of scrambling. But with Russ,

701
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean just kind of how we up. Like this dude,

702
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: he was like never down, like ever about anything, you know.

703
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: So we'd be down by three touchdounds, he said, all right,

704
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: one more we're gonna like he's always saying, and so

705
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: like it makes you believe it, you know. And and

706
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: there was times when we came back and when you know,

707
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: other times we would have just packed it up and

708
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: went to the next game. But man, he was he

709
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: was always so positive about everything. And then and then

710
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: Aaron when it comes. I don't think I've ever seen

711
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: anybody throw the ball at Aaron Rogers. No, you know,

712
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: my time there wasn't the greatest. Obviously, timing sucked. You know,

713
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: my first year, Mike McCarthy gets fired. That was an

714
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: absolute mess. And then the second year, you know, mattla

715
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Flour comes in with a new offense, doesn't really give

716
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Aaron any power to do what he wants. So we

717
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: made an MC championship. But our offense wasn't great because

718
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: basically he wouldn't let Aaron, you know, actually change the

719
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: right play and do these certain things. But when it

720
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: comes to tossing the rock, man, I don't I don't

721
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: think live I've ever seen anybody throw the ball like

722
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: he does ever. Just his just everything that he doesn't.

723
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like our work, Like the way

724
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: that comes out of his wrists and the way he

725
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: flips it. It's just stupid. I Like, we're doing like drills,

726
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: like like resilent drills. No, no, no, like two minutes and

727
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: we'd have like five seconds left. He moving on like

728
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: the logo, and this dude would just scramble around a

729
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: little bit. He'd be looking over here and he would

730
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: throw the ball to the right and not looking at

731
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: the receiver one on one on the to do that

732
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: like it's just and the ball was just sling right

733
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: to him. It's just crazy. I mean his arm, his arm,

734
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, his arm by part the best service.

735
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't want to just take

736
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: credit for that. You know, he'll probably call, He'll probably

737
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: claim is his junior college out out in California, but

738
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: bears guy, you know, University of California.

739
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: But you too. Who else right now is is you know,

740
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: at the top of the game like you guys are,

741
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: somebody would.

742
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: Say, like, you know, there's an NC championship game coming up,

743
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I think Detroit Lions are doing really

744
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: really well, coached really well by just a myriad of

745
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: great coaches. But you would say the face of that

746
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: would be a Colbert, you know, good old Jared Goff,

747
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: the last Yeah yeah, the last first rounder to be

748
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: drafted out of the University of California, Berkeley, number one. Yeah.

749
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm man. I'm so happy for him. Man,

750
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for him, him and and the head

751
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: coach that whole city deserves it.

752
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Man, did you play with Dan? You didn't play?

753
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: No, Come on, bro, come on, I'll saying no, but no, no,

754
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Dan was almost my coach because, uh, the year right

755
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: before I got traded. They had fired my tight end

756
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: coach and they brought him in, so I was supposed

757
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: to be talking to him and then I got traded.

758
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, obvious, Seattle.

759
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: You sue the NFL? Who do who? Do you know?

760
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: Sues the NFL and then sort of wins, like didn't

761
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: went to you like you wanted to be paid rivice money,

762
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: but you know, suit him because you were out in

763
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the slot like seventy percent of the time versus what

764
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: your tight end situation was. But sort of wins and

765
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: then you know, becomes the highest paid tight end, resets

766
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: the whole market the first t M tight end.

767
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: I reseaid it twice. But what was interesting. What was

768
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: interesting was, I mean none of that should ever really happened,

769
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like they never even offered

770
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: me a contract to start with. You know, they said that.

771
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: My agent told me, Hey, they're going.

772
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: To prate it.

773
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: No now now now you're welcome. You're welcome. Now. They

774
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: pay guys who deserve it. Early right back then, they

775
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: were playing harble, so you know, like guys, you know,

776
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: guys would basically be franchise school pre agency or they

777
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: would play horrible or you have to sign something that

778
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: wasn't really where your market was. But you know, basically

779
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: they said, well, the franchise SAG is so cheap that

780
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: we're not going to offer you like a contract. We're

781
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: going to franchise you twice that you'd be thirty, we'll

782
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: get rid of you. Right when they said that, I

783
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: was like, all right, Like there's no way that's happening,

784
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: especially well, especially the way I played. The way I played,

785
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: I was bound to get hurt. Like it wasn't it

786
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: wasn't a chance of if it was win and how

787
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: bad because you know, that was the old school over

788
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: the middle. All we ran was basically all go, I'll

789
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: go special, and I was getting tattooed across the middle,

790
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean I had to find guarantee money, so.

791
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: I had to and you got it though you be,

792
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: you being over Seattle for for extended period of time

793
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: and then now Pete Carroll, you know, retiring, did that

794
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: have any impact on you? Like what was what was

795
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's legacy?

796
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: Like man, I had a special relationship with Pete obviously

797
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: they were a big part of that trade. Uh P

798
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: was phenomenal with me as far as like letting me

799
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: fly into work. You know, he wasn't tripping about the

800
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: planes and the cars and all the extracurricular stuff.

801
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: When you say, when you say flying the work, what

802
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about?

803
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: Oh so uh So, my first week on a job,

804
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: John Northstrom, who used to own the team, he sold

805
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: it to Paul Allen, but he was still very close

806
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: because you know, his friend owned it so and so

807
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: he used to come into work all the time. So

808
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: he so he comes in. He's like, Hey, my name

809
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: is John Northstom. I's still on the team. I heard

810
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: you're a pilot and I was like yeah. He's like

811
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: you do you have your your seat plane license? I

812
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: said no, but I've been I've been thinking about getting that.

813
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: Jack Brown. He's like, oh, I flew in. If you

814
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: want to go out and see my seaplane. I was

815
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: like yeah. So we walk out to the dock and

816
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: literally right on the bottom of Lake Washington. He had

817
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: this thing called a beaver On Anthips, which is like

818
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: this old school warplane that Canada was built in Canada

819
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: a bunch and went to Vietnam. And so we got

820
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: this thing and we went flying over the city Man

821
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: and a week later I went and got my seaplane license,

822
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: and then a couple months later I bought one and

823
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: restored it. So I bought one that fought in Vietnam,

824
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: and so I had to fully rebuild. So the next

825
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: year when the plane was ready, like three times a week,

826
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: I used to fly into work. So I lived at

827
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: the top of Lake Washington. It's like a forty five

828
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: minute drive. It was kind of far, but it was

829
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: a five minute flight. So I used to just take

830
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: off sometime I would like live stream it and then

831
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: I would just land maybe five minutes and I get

832
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: out tied up, and you go to the go to practice.

833
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: It was nice, it was.

834
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: And then like connected to the facility and connected like

835
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the back of the facility or like.

836
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, like like where like.

837
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: You fly from the crib. So you drive to your

838
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: plane from your house, which is a couple of minutes,

839
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: and then you fly down.

840
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I literally fly down the lake literally five

841
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: minutes I land. It's like you have to talk to

842
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: one of the towers at the written the well's there's

843
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: a little one down there. There's a little one that

844
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: they make I think one of the one of the

845
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: boatings they make down there. And you just basically coast in.

846
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: You get on the radio. Then I just literally pull

847
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: up to the dock. I jump out tied to the

848
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: little floating duck and like I have my little like

849
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: parking space number like Jimmy Graham's Yeah, and then you

850
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: like go through and that connects right to the players

851
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: parking lot. And so you just walked up. So people

852
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: were like, like, coaches will watch me fly and lie in. Yeah,

853
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: it was kind of weird.

854
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy eighty eight, you don't see come on.

855
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: But it was also cool because that's that's when I

856
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: started doing the wounded warrior stuff. So we used to

857
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: bring in, uh sometimes on either Monday or Tuesday, we'd

858
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: bring in a wounded warrior and we give him like

859
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: a full tour the facility. We gear him down with ek,

860
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: we'd give him a jersey, and then I would take

861
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: them on the dock and I would fly them and

862
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: I would actually teach them how to fly. So we'd

863
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: be over like Washington, I'd be there woinded warrior flying

864
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: and then we go back, I drop them off and

865
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: go home. I mean it was it was a pretty

866
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: cool experience for sure.

867
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: So so he didn't come down on you, like the

868
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys came down on our dog. Brandon Cooks be Cooks. Hey,

869
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: you know with Dak and Mike.

870
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was like you didn't do that.

871
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: We didn't even hear, but like you doing that was like,

872
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: hey man, you guys. You know you guys flew before

873
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: I got you didn't take you on a plane.

874
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well the Saints when I was young, tried some

875
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: of that. That's that's why I was pretty quiet, Like

876
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 2: I didn't have Instagram, so like way later than most people.

877
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: And one of it because I was, you know, I'm

878
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: kind of private, but I was definitely being private about

879
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: the flying thing because I knew it was going to

880
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: be an issue. So basically I had had like four licenses,

881
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: four or five licenses by the time they found out,

882
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: and I already owned two planes. So because they were like, hey,

883
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: we want like you can't be in anything that isn't

884
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: a jet that doesn't have two engines or a co pilot,

885
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I already got an airbatic plane, bro,

886
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: So that's not happening. And that's it. That was really

887
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: the end of it, you know what I mean. I

888
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: told them, like an airbat Clane, I'll wear a parachute,

889
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: but that's about it. I mean. And then now you

890
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: know I'm a commercial multi single. You know, I've got

891
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: everything now to where I'm beyond proficient and basically everything

892
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: that fly or anything. And but I've taken a lot

893
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: of teammates. I mean, the.

894
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Coolest flight moment you say, I mean, I'm gonnay, I'm

895
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: gonna say Blue Angels when I saw what I was like, Yeah,

896
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: flew with the Blue Angels like there.

897
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: I would say. Last year in June. So I'm the

898
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: honorary commander of the home Homestead Air Force Base down

899
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: here in Miami, which is also the home to our

900
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: world renown macOS, which is our F sixteen fighter squadron.

901
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: They've been deployed in various things over many years. Right now,

902
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: some of them are working as presidential detail up in Washington.

903
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Canceled.

904
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's you could look up. You could

905
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: look all that up online. But we so so in

906
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: June they ended up having a D Model S sixteen.

907
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: So I got to fly with one of my good

908
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: friends from the macOS and it was incredible. You know,

909
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: the day or the week before I had to go

910
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: through all the like survival stuff and like in case

911
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: you get in the water, and all the cockpit stuff

912
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: and obviously it had a full live ejection seat and

913
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: all this, you know, the oxygen system. But you know,

914
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: to be able to take that down south we're right

915
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: over the keys Key westwork kind of out out over

916
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: the water. We had between the ground and sixty thousand

917
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: feet and man sixty sixty thousand. Yeah, and to be

918
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: able oh yeah in work, oh yeah, it's insane. And

919
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: to be able to go that fast, you know, do

920
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: the various things that we did, and the flybys that

921
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: we did was just magical. Man, it was everything that

922
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: I was Sue.

923
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: Perspective, Like a commercial flight. You get on you know,

924
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Delta Southwest, United fly you're going with ten thousand be

925
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: near are you in that eye?

926
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're between the thirties, so you're thirty to thirty

927
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: five thousand. Those are mostly where those fly. All the

928
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: bigger jets, like all the private jets still fly like

929
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: higher forties and then in the fifties, but you're on

930
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: the sixties. Yeah, well we're well, they had a block

931
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: out that amount of space for all the maneuvers that

932
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: we're doing and so we would have enough to be

933
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: able to climb and do some of these awesome, interesting

934
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: military maneuvers. That that was really cool. That's crazy, really cool.

935
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: All Right, So now I almost say football is out

936
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: the way, but it's sort of it's only a side, right,

937
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: it's only a side. You're not saying full retirement, but

938
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: you possibly could come back anyway. So if this is retirement.

939
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: During the season you talked about rowing across the world

940
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell that was. Are you still talking

941
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: about trying to sail across the world or continent to continent? No,

942
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: is that a thing?

943
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: Yes, So there's been an update or the most recent update,

944
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: and we're all in on this thing now. So apparently

945
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: someone had read that I was trying to sail around

946
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: the world, and so they ended up reaching out and

947
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 2: asked me if I would think about trying to break

948
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: a world record. And but knowls to me earlier last

949
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: year one of my very close friends, he's been a

950
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: seal for twenty three years. He just retired. He's working

951
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 2: private equity now. And I told him at a pub

952
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: at his graduation because he also got his NBA from Cambridge.

953
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: I told him, hey, because he've been asked me to

954
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: do this for eight years and I said, Okay, we're

955
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: getting a little banged up. And I said, he's like,

956
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: you're the only person that will do this with me,

957
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 2: So will you do what? I think it'd be incredible

958
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: experience for us, both very challenging and great opportunity. So

959
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: the person that reached out to us was on the

960
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: national the US National Open ocean rowing team, And so

961
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: now we are. We have a meeting in two weeks altogether,

962
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: and all of this is all the beginning stages of

963
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: what we're going to do and attempt. But we're going

964
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 2: to attempt in twenty twenty five to set a world

965
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: record by rowing across an ocean with a four person team.

966
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: And it's a four person mixed team, so.

967
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Mixed team being men and women.

968
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: Yes, it was going to be that, but now there's

969
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: that we're actually taking one of the shorter routes to

970
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: start with, and then the next we're probably gonna race.

971
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: So the first route that we just decided basically a

972
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: week ago, and our first training camp is gonna be

973
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: in two weeks because one it's gonna be hilarious because

974
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: my boy rode in college. The other guy who was

975
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: actually married to to to the girl we're doing it with. Uh,

976
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: well she's got a gold medal for the open ocean

977
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: rowing and the guy is actually two lanes rowing coach.

978
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: So it's so yeah, yeah, no, no, So I'm gonna be

979
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: back in New Orleans and we're gonna meet about where

980
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: some of these charitable contributions are going to go to,

981
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: which are probably going to be young kids in the

982
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: New Orleans area to expose them to certain things. But

983
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: we're all going to it looks like attempt to row

984
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: across the Arctic Ocean and that's gonna be twenty five

985
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: Now you know, I'm a Miami boy.

986
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: You know how cold this?

987
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's gonna be in the summer. It's like

988
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: twenty four hour day life. But obviously it's very dangerous.

989
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: And then after that we plan to possibly roll across

990
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean. Now that's that's all of these things

991
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: are very dangerous obviously, and we're gonna have to get

992
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: a lot of certifications. Yeah, but that's what's next for me. Man,

993
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: is how long?

994
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Bro like just guesstimate, like how long would that take

995
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: across an ocean?

996
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well, it just depends on which ocean you

997
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: cross and at what time of year, but most likely

998
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: if we do it, if we do one of these

999
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: open ocean races, We're most likely going to do the Pacific,

1000
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: which it would be from California to Hawaii, and that

1001
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: can take anywhere between thirty to forty some days. And

1002
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: the very interesting about this is I'm going to film

1003
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: a lot of this and most likely make a document

1004
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: out of it.

1005
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: One, Jimmy, Jimmy, can we just talk about this.

1006
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: One? You have? Everybody else knows how to row, but

1007
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: I've never rowed before. So that's where this is so interesting.

1008
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: Is it's gonna be comical because obviously I'm very competitive.

1009
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: My boy, he's beyond competitive, so it to just be

1010
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: us basically talking to uh, you know, also me trying

1011
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 2: to learn how to row, you know. I mean, I've

1012
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: never sustained rowing, I've never rowed in the open ocean.

1013
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 2: I've never been on a rowboat. All of these things

1014
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: are factors. But where I think this works in my

1015
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: favor is one, we're chasing world records and we're and

1016
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: we're doing it for a great cause. But two, if

1017
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: I can row across, if I can row across an ocean.

1018
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: Sailing a big yacht is going to be easy. So

1019
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: that's if.

1020
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: That's your motivation.

1021
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like practice for the for the solo sailing.

1022
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the way I see it.

1023
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: And and you know, it just really gives me something

1024
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: to look forward to, and you know something that athletically,

1025
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: I can push myself in a new direction, you know,

1026
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: and I don't have to take hits anymore. I can

1027
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: just sit there and just get to work.

1028
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: What the bro Me and Mark was like, you know

1029
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: we do like these family vacation you know, vacations whatever.

1030
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Bro.

1031
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: We were in the Caribbean on this yacht, and you

1032
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: know how they like dock it, like you know whatever

1033
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: that is they docate let's call it three four hundred

1034
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: yards out from the beach right depending on where it's at.

1035
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Me and him were like, hey man, you think you

1036
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: could make the other side. So we swam to the

1037
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: to the beach and we're like dog ass tired after

1038
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: a ten minutes swim. You're trying to row. You're trying

1039
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: to row for thirty to forty days technically.

1040
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, yeah, well, like what's also interesting about it

1041
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: is it pushes you in every way mentally physically. You

1042
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: know we are going to only get two hour breaks,

1043
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: so you know, basically you're off for two hours, and

1044
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: I think that means you don't get another time off.

1045
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: So you row for six and you're off another two

1046
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: and so over acular time, I think you get like

1047
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: six hours of sleep a day, maybe five. But within

1048
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: your two hours of responsibilities, you have to clean, obviously,

1049
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: do some It depends on what your job is as

1050
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: far as tracking goes moving. Obviously, you got to get

1051
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: some sleep during that period. So not only is it

1052
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: challenging like that, but it's also you're dealing with a

1053
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: lot of sleep deprivation. You're dealing with if you're doing

1054
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: the Pacific, you're dealing with storms obviously and being on

1055
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: a rowboat at night. So that's why I believe this

1056
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: is just prepare me for the sailing. I'll be able

1057
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: to use what I've learned in sailing and flying as

1058
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: far as weather and tracking to go to this rowing thing.

1059
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: But but but sailing you're like sort of you're by

1060
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: yourself on this right, So really.

1061
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: It's just you tracking you Yes, yeah.

1062
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: Rowing it's literally like a team. And as much as

1063
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: I love my teammates. I couldn't imagine being like me

1064
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: and you know Carl and Peyton Turner and Malcolm Roach

1065
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: for thirty straight days. Yeah yeah, well we're not catching

1066
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: sleep like that. Somebody, somebody's getting thrown off the rowboat.

1067
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: Somebody, We'll see. This is see, this is some of

1068
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: the most challenging parts of it is obviously the team

1069
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: personalities matter. You know, we're gonna do a bunch of

1070
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: team building activities just to make sure we're all the

1071
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: right people to be on the boat. But but then,

1072
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: but then, also you get super close to each other

1073
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: obviously because there's no bathroom on this boat. There's just

1074
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: gonna be. There's just gonna be a carbon pipper bucket.

1075
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: So you know, well I didn't even think about that.

1076
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one second, I gotta take a piss rowing

1077
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm going wait, somebody's getting missed on I'm calling it now.

1078
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Well, I mean, like imagine rough seas,

1079
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: big storm. Uh you know, it's it's this is gonna

1080
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: be the hardest thing I've ever signed up for, to

1081
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: be the hardest thing I've ever done, and it will

1082
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: be the most challenging. But I believe that, you know,

1083
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: obviously after I get done with this, and obviously being

1084
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: able to do this with uh, you know, one of

1085
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: my best friends, and to share this experience with him,

1086
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: and and to obviously do it for a cause I

1087
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: think there's nothing better I could sign up for immediately

1088
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: right after a football stunt.

1089
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Sign me up man.

1090
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: Fact.

1091
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean when you say what's next, most people thinking,

1092
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, are like the pe guys. They're like private

1093
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: equity or like, oh, I'm gonna start flipping houses. Oh

1094
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into you know whatever. That next phase

1095
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: is start a podcast boom, And here you are like, yeah,

1096
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go thirty forty days in the Arctic.

1097
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: Well, well, you know obviously with businessman, I'm you know,

1098
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: I've been always acting, you know, I don't think people.

1099
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that's not something you picked up. That's

1100
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: something that's you know, you've been on.

1101
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm obviously gonna keep doing that

1102
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: and scaling all of the things that I'm that I'm

1103
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: involved with all.

1104
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just be I'll be waiting for my phone call.

1105
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: It won't come, but it's okay. I know eficially he's

1106
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: gonna call.

1107
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: He will, so you and you.

1108
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: Between between you and John Wilma, I don't know who

1109
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: keeps more secrets from me. I'll be like bro, just

1110
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: I have liquid.

1111
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I've got some big things down on Popeline. Man,

1112
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: I'll definitely keep you to day.

1113
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Before I get you out of here. Man, you've been

1114
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: a tight end who's played at such at the highest level,

1115
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: at being all pro you know, pro bowler been you know,

1116
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: You've done so many miraculous things, seen so many playoffs.

1117
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: Who do you got winning this year? We're getting down,

1118
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: We're getting down to the to the to the f

1119
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: final final.

1120
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: That's it's a hard one because there's there's there's there's

1121
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: people I would love to win.

1122
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: Would there's four teams left? I hear you.

1123
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: I mean, man, I would love to see Baltimore doing

1124
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: you know, I mean I would love to see you

1125
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: know just I think personally Lamar, I feel like he's

1126
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: gotten so much black and so many people just don't

1127
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: believe in him and believe in the way that he plays.

1128
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: But I think he the way he's been playing, especially

1129
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: as of late, it's just special. And I think he's

1130
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: done a lot to change the game and continue to

1131
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: evolve the game. But you know it, how like to me?

1132
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: How believe it will be a Baltimore versus Line super Bowl,

1133
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: which is something that no one would have ever predicted,

1134
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: no doubt ever ever.

1135
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: Ticket sales been going crazy in Detroit. I don't know

1136
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: if you say that, like the highest retail value tickets

1137
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: to do that.

1138
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: It's crazy crazy, I mean because I played against the

1139
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: Lions over the last however long and those things were

1140
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: free and uh, but but not anymore. Man. It's it's

1141
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: it's just unbelievable what what dance men will do out there,

1142
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, obviously turning that place around to changing the culture,

1143
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: changing the environment, and just having people understand how poortant

1144
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: winning is, and you know, just kind of turning the

1145
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: team into the same exact blue collar, hard gritty type

1146
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: of community.

1147
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Dan Help said, we're gonna crawl and if we need

1148
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: to take bite me cats off.

1149
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly years later, they lie people. People thought it

1150
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: was crazy he said it, but he wouldn't line. He

1151
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't lie because that's what they're doing for sure.

1152
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Looking at him, like, what do you think about Nah,

1153
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: he's from a different error. He believes in doing all

1154
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: with that same he actually played the game for ten years.

1155
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: Like if there's coaches that can't say that he and

1156
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: he meant it, and the team bought in, and he

1157
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: would go get guys like you know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson.

1158
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, he would you know, he drafted a guy

1159
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: like Aiden Hutchinson playing lights out, just like a nitty

1160
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: gritty worker. You know, he brought it. Aaron glenn Is

1161
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: ah A G was a decordinator for was it uh

1162
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: dB coach for US and now DC over at Detroit. Man,

1163
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: great dude, but he has that old school mentality. They

1164
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: played and they're like when he said something like, no,

1165
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: that's probably gonna work.

1166
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: No, he's seen that, and you know, I mean, I

1167
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: think there's something to be said about that. You know,

1168
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, you know, uh, you know, bringing bringing

1169
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: the NFL back to a little bit of some of

1170
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: that old school stuff. You know, I mean, it's it's uh,

1171
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, we got introduced to it as young players.

1172
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: We knew on a crazy level. You know, my my

1173
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: rookie year was the last.

1174
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: Jeremy Shockey has your O G like and he was

1175
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: the last of the rock stars that you were like, man,

1176
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: legends about him.

1177
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: I mean, first it was two a days still too

1178
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: Patta practice of the day training camps in New Orleans

1179
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: with Sean Payton. I'll let you know what time it is.

1180
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: It was absolute hell. I was calling home like I

1181
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: don't know if I could do this. I mean I was,

1182
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean because Shocky. I mean, first off, being his

1183
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: rookie was like iconic almost because they just won a

1184
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 2: super Bowl. He was the rock star. He he was,

1185
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: he was a rock star. I mean everybody wanted to

1186
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: be around him. I remember just leaving a bar and

1187
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: running down the street because people are chasing us down

1188
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: the street like like rock stars, and it was it

1189
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: was so cool to experience. But also SHOCKI is hilarious

1190
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: and like I remember one morning he was like he

1191
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: was like, hey, big dog guy, Yes, seems like my

1192
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: backsim be going out today. But I was like, what, bro,

1193
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: really good, Bro, We're in stretch. This dude's back tightened

1194
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: up just like he said. And it was like the

1195
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: first BROT is too. So I had to go with

1196
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: the ones, twos, and threes. First time I was in

1197
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 2: the one huddle like just didn't know what he was

1198
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: talking about. And then we came back for that like

1199
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: two or three o'clock practice and the Debta heat another

1200
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: two hour practice, all me absolutely brutal, come get this work.

1201
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of Shaki, who's in your tight End Rushmore? If

1202
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: there was to be a tight End Rushmore, my Titan Rushmore,

1203
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: your tight End Rushmore.

1204
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: As far as like for my career or like complete.

1205
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: Like complete, however however you want to take that.

1206
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to say on who it influenced

1207
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: my career the most, as far as like the people

1208
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: had true influence on my career. Obviously Jimmie Shockey, you know,

1209
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean I was just rookie, and then it would

1210
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: I would definitely say Ben Watson. Ben Watson was a

1211
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: big part of that, you know, just kind of how

1212
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: he was, you know, how kind of his approach to

1213
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: the game and and just how he operated. And then

1214
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: I was, you know, obviously blessed enough to play with

1215
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: Mercedes Lewis. You know, he's he's his hands like it's

1216
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: it's insane what he's doing. And you know, I don't

1217
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: think he gets even enough credit for it. It's like

1218
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: when years it was eighteen or.

1219
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Something disgusting, I don't know.

1220
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: Something crazy crazy and he's in the I mean he's

1221
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: in the trenches.

1222
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: You know, he's putting hands on them. He's not really

1223
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: a receiver tight end the more east.

1224
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: No, No, and uh, it's I mean it's just like

1225
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: unbelievable to see. I mean truly truly unbelievable to see. Man.

1226
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, those are the guys that kind of had

1227
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: the biggest influence on my career. Obviously, obviously Dave Thomas

1228
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: A lot people know who he is, but he's the

1229
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: one who actually taught me.

1230
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: The like mental University of Texas.

1231
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, won a national championship, won a super Bowl, but

1232
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: he's the one who taught me the mental aspect of

1233
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: the game as far as understanding coverage, understanding all these things.

1234
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: And then Shaky taught me the attitude. You know. I

1235
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: remember something happened there was like a drop in practice,

1236
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: and Shaky ran up to me and he said some

1237
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: other words I'm not gonna say the podcast, but he

1238
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: basically boiled it down to you're from the you and

1239
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: we don't walk around and do like that. He said,

1240
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: we hold ourselves to a higher standard. And from that

1241
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: day on, yes, sir, oh yeah, no, no, I just cared

1242
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I carried myself like I was untouchable and

1243
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: and sure enough I think it translated to the field.

1244
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, okay, we'll take that. I appreciate you tapping in.

1245
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: You knows, mister pro bowler, mister allpro uh, mister sixty

1246
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,959
Speaker 1: thousand freaking feet in the air, flying planes, helicopters now

1247
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: wanting to roll across the ocean's nautical miles being added

1248
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: on to the experiences. I appreciate you so much, not

1249
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: only for the tight end that you are, but just

1250
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: like the overall phenomenal person that you are and everything

1251
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: that you know that you've done over your career does

1252
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: it will probably never get overlooked because you're a Saints

1253
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You know, your your character has spoken

1254
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: so much. Ba lumes By even coming back and if

1255
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: this is it finishing your career with the Saints, you

1256
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: know it's always black and gold forever. But just it's

1257
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm a Jimmy Graham fan, you know. Just I'm a

1258
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: big Jimmy g guy. And it's not Garoppolo, it's Jimmy Graham.

1259
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: It's him, him, Jimmy Graham. If you will, you know so,

1260
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate you tapping out, Tapping in with me Off

1261
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: the Edge podcast, my guy, Jimmy Graham. I appreciate him

1262
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: for everything that he's done. I can't I can't help

1263
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: but get excited for him to finish up his you know,

1264
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: if that's the end of his career, a hell of

1265
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: a career. You know, will always be a Saints Hall

1266
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: of Famer for all those thousand yard seasons that he

1267
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: put together, all those Pro Bowls, all pros. Him and

1268
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: Drew Brees clearly the most tight end quarterback duo to

1269
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: ever really be together until this new wave. You know,

1270
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: you alluded to the Niners, which was George Kittle of

1271
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: course as a tight end, and you know he's had

1272
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: a myriad so you can't say he the duo there,

1273
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: but Pat Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. You know, That's what

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Speaker 1: it was like watching Drew Brees and Jimmy Graham. It

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Speaker 1: was just like there's nothing stopping them. You know, where

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Speaker 1: the ball going, you can't stop it. It's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a beauty. It was a thing of beauty

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Speaker 1: to see. So I just appreciate you guys for tapping

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Speaker 1: in with Off the Edge. I appreciate everybody who's ever

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Speaker 1: listened to a episode and everybody whoever will listen to

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Speaker 1: an episode, thank you so much. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Jimmy for coming on to the show. Of course, that

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Speaker 1: being said, I just want to ask you for, you know,

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Speaker 1: a five star review. Tap in with us, leave us

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Speaker 1: a follow, you know, check us out on Apple Podcasts

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Speaker 1: the iheartray Apple wherever it get you podcasts. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's my spiel. I thank you so much sticking with

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Speaker 1: us Off the Edge the podcast with me, your host

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Speaker 1: cam Jay. God bless peace

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