1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Bobo bam here. You have no idea 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: what your DNA is up to right now. You might 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: not be able to see or feel it working, but 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: it is there, It never sleeps, and it's basically got 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: you hog tied. Your genetic material is an entire universe 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: of biological instructions, and a lot of the time they're 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: not even very good instructions. Your DNA could be making 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: coarse black hairs grow out of your palms right now, 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: or it could be nonchalantly protecting you from cancer. There's 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: no telling. Here's the thing, evolution doesn't have some great 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: plan for you personally, whether or not you have genes 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: that tell your palms to grow whiskers or your body 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: to fight cancer. That's mostly just happenstance, mostly, but from 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: time to time, DNA has been known to pull incredible 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: hail Mary's Take elephants, for instance, they very rarely get cancer. 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: An elephants cancer mortality rate is just under five percent. 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: For US humans it's between eleven and twenty five. Whales 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: have very low rates of cancer too. In fact, large 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: animals of all kinds seem to succumb to cancer way 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: less than one might imagine. This puzzled cancer researchers in 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties because the early understanding of 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: why cancer happens has to do with how many cells 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: an animal has, coupled with its longevity. Large and long 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: lived animals, scientists theorized, have lots of cells and more 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: time in which cells could potentially start doing their jobs wrong. Conversely, 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: small animals have fewer cells and generally don't live as 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: long as larger animals. Thus there are fewer chances and 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: less time for cells to mutate in the ways that 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: would result in cancer. This line of reasoning makes a 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: good bit of sense, right Yet in the nine seven these, 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: statistical epidemiologist Richard Peto observed that we don't see a 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: higher instance of cancer in humans than we do in mice, 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: even though human bodies contain a thousand times more cells 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: and we live thirty times as long. And so science 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: was introduced to Peto's paradox, the mystery that's bedeviled cancer 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: researchers for nearly half a century. Even though cancer reliably 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: shows up in larger individuals within a species more often 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: than in smaller ones. For instance, just a couple inches 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: of height on a human can significantly raise her chances 41 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: of getting some types of cancer. For whatever reason, huge 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: and long lived animals have cancer rates comparable to or 43 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: lower than our own. Because being humongous has evolved in 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: various animals countless times over the eons, there are probably 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: as many solutions to Peto's paradox as there are gigantic animals. However, 46 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: a study published in an August issue of Cell Reports 47 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: found the reason for Peto's paradox and elephants is in 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: reality completely bonkers genetically speaking. Previous research reported that African 49 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: savannah elephants have a whole bunch of copies of a 50 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: specific cancer fighting gene called t P fifty three. This 51 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: gene produces a protein that comb cells looking for potential 52 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: DNA damage. Humans and most other animals have only one 53 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 1: copy of this gene. Elephants, it happens, have twenty copies. 54 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: So t P fifty three lends the elephant a lot 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: of capacity to see that there is a problem, but 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: not really the ability to do anything about it. So 57 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: the University of Chicago research team rummaged around and the 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: elephant genome to see if they could find any clue 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: as to what would be carrying out the cell repairs 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: or cell destruction that gives elephants their cancer fighting powers, 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and they found something pretty obvious. Elephants have between seven 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: and eleven copies of a type of gene known as 63 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: leukemia inhibitory factor, or l i F. The problem was 64 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: these copies were evolutionarily old, and many of them had 65 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: probably been useful to the elephants distant ancestors, but they 66 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: were so degraded that they were probably useless. But this 67 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: is where things start getting weird. For the article this 68 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: episode is based on how Stuff Work. Spoke with the 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: studies lead author one Manuel of as Quez, then a 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: graduate student in the Department of Human Genetics at the 71 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: University of Chicago. He said, well, what we actually found 72 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: was a copy of l i F l i F six, 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: which had integrated into the genome in the common ancestor 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: of elephants and manatees. Manatees still have this piece of DNA, 75 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: but it's what would traditionally consider junk. But elephants took 76 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: this junk DNA and right before law lost any in 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: all coding potential for the correct protein. It evolved a 78 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: new way of inducing its activation and expression into a 79 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: functional protein. Again, it was pure luck. So as a 80 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: last ditch attempt to cut down on the accumulation of 81 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: bad cells, the elephant's body resurrected a piece of DNA 82 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: that's capable of killing cells that have been flagged for 83 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: execution by t P fifty three due to DNA damage 84 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: and put it to work culling those cells. L i 85 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: F six kill cells by poking holes in the mitochondria, 86 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: the power plant of the cell, and you know it 87 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: could have gone wrong. What's amazing is that the elephant 88 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: was able to both reactivate the gene and control it 89 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: to tell l i F six to kill not every cell, 90 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: but just the ones that seemed the most dangerous. You 91 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: can't control your DNA, but sometimes it can come out 92 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: with some pretty good tricks you'd never even think of. 93 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Today's episode is based on the article Zombie Jeane protects 94 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Elephants from cancer on House Tofworks dot Com, written by 95 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: Jesslyn Shield. Brain Stuff is production of I Heart Radio 96 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: in partnership with housetuffworks dot Com, and it's produced by 97 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Tyler Clang. 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