1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: So not much has gone right this season unless you 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: talk about Trey McBride. Got Paul Calvc with me, Bird Gang, 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: and yes we will talk about Tremick Pride three more 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: records set both franchise and league marks, and yes we 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: will talk about the game. Overall, it was not an 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: enjoyable trip to Cincinnati. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: six five and it starts now. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart? 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: What rent? 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcast. 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: Right at the five hit the end zone for the 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: Cardinal touchdown. Dray McBride, he's been an absolute monitor. 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo. 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: So it's ever good, Paul when we start a Monday 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,639 Speaker 1: show talking about the weather. However, it is worth noting 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: that at kickoff it was warmer in Cincinnati than it 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: was in Phoenix. 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: Really, I knew it was warm, I didn't quite realize 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: it was that warm. I was just satisfied with the 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: fact that it wasn't the weather forecast from two weeks earlier, 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: the Bengals previous home game where the wind show was 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: sub zero. And so yeah, talking a lot of locals 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: on the sidelines, let's just say everyone soaked it in. 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I know how you feel about the official game books 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: when they put the temperature. 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: On fishy fishy. But according to. 31 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: The game book at kickoff sixty five degrees. Of course 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: it was overcast a little cloudy. However, in the studio 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: in Phoenix sixty degrees. So you had five more degrees 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, and it was I heard this on the 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: broadcast as well, the warmest dec zmbgame in stadium history. 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so I just looked up Cincinnati. This is less 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: than twenty four hours later. Do you know the current 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: high time writer in Cincinnati is twenty three degrees with 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: a windshill of nine. Wow. Twelve hours later, and I 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 3: tweeted out. Saturday night there was the local news and 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: here we are live late breaking local WCPO, and so 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: they had their weather forecast and they had a high 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: sixty seven forecast, and the high on Monday was a 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: forecast I have twenty nine, which just reinforces. And I 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: made a joke with Rob Frederickson, Michigan native. Anyone who's 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: lived in the Midwest. If you don't like the weather, 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: wait twenty four hours, it will change. That's the old 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: snarky saying if you live in the Midwest. But that 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: is ridiculous. I mean, we're talking forty five to fifty 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: degree difference from one day to the next. 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: You are this close, Paul, this close to having to 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: find extra clothing as opposed to trying to figure out, Hey, 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: is there any sunscreen here in Cincinnati? 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: Well, I almost went up to the booth and borrowed 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: Dave Passes scarf because Dave said he was overdressed. A right, 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: let me just say something. There shall be no whining 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: about the weather when you're in a climate controlled booth. 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: Don't give me any of that. I don't want to 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: hear that. That's where we draw the line. 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: That was part of the pregame discussion with he and 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Aq Shipley. Now I don't know, but did the press 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: box windows? Do those open? 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? Stay open? 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that was why. 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 3: And no, it doesn't matter, Craig, it still doesn't matter. 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: I don't care. I mean, AQ's the one who admonished 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: me on game plan JG's TV show earlier in the week. Paul, 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: There'll be no sleeves on game day. I don't care 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: what the game time temperature is. 70 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals in Cincinnati on Sunday lose to the Bengals thirty 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: seven to fourteen Trey McBride for the second time in 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: three games, sets three different records. We will get into 73 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: all of that first things first, because I'm sure you know, Paul, 74 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: but there might be some fans out there that do 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: not know because it was not announced until late Sunday night. 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: But the Cardinals now know when and what time they 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: will play. Their final game of twenty twenty five. Week 78 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: eighteen at the Rams will be Sunday at two twenty five. 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers and Seahawks for the NFC West 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: and the number one seed in the NFC will play 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday night, So Cardinals at the RAMS do The 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Rams have much to play for seeding. They could be 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: as high as the fifth seed or the sixth seed, 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: but they got a game tonight against the Falcons that 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: they're more concerned about. Talking about the Rams, and it 86 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: is an important game for the Rams because, as you 87 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: and I discussed before we hit record here on this 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Monday show, Paul, the Rams own the Falcons first round 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: draft pick, so it would be of advantage for Sean McVay, 90 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and company to win tonight, even though it 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter as far as the seedings are concerned, 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: or they're out of the mix for the NFC West. 93 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: That was made clear with the forty nine Ers win. 94 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: Last night, so GM less need he does care about 95 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: this pick. We surmise and speculate openly that he will 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: be rooting more than ever for a Rams win, not 97 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: only for playoff implications, but for in April so they 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: can maintain what they figure to be a top ten pick, 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: which he has Atlanta traded away for the right to 100 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: draft James Pierce Junior, which is interesting. James Piers Junior 101 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: good top rookie sack man in the NFL this year, 102 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: but top ten good. You could argue, it's interesting. You know, 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 3: Rams obviously had drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: year in twenty twenty four in Jared Verse, but hit 105 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: zoom out on the Rams going into week eighteen. All right, 106 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: what is the risk reward of playing a Matthew Stafford 107 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: who by the way, just got elected, just got stamped 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: into his third Pro Bowl. Isn't that remarkable? He was 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: only three times number one pick in two thousand and nine, 110 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: the year after Klais Campbell is drafted, and only three 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Pro bowls for Matthew Stafford. 112 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: Hey, that's what happens. And I think, Josh, what is 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: experiencing it right now? When you play for a team 114 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: that doesn't win year in and year out, like the 115 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions once upon a time, then it's hard to 116 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: get that high profile and say, hey, what is Matthew 117 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Stafford doing? Because he's been solid for his entire crew. 118 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: Now he's elevated his game since arriving in LA But yeah, 119 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: that's remarkable when you consider what he has accomplished and 120 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: only see three Pro Bowl selections on his resumes. 121 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: So is Jimmy Garoppolo capable answer? Yes? Do the Rams 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: still have enough players to be very formidable even if 123 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: they're resting some key guys in Week eighteen? Absolutely? And 124 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: then you're always dealing with the Sean mcvay's scheme and 125 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: you're dealing with how button up they are on both 126 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: sides of the ball. Obviously they just fire their special 127 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 3: teams coordinators, So that got everyone's attention. Yes, it will 128 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 3: still be a It'll still be a game against the Rams, 129 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: even if they're pulling players and looking towards the playoff game. 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: That'll be the following week. 131 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals again will wrap up the regular season in Los 132 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Angeles on Sunday. Now, as far as what happened yesterday 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, we mentioned the weather and that was an 134 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: enjoyable part of the game day experience. We'll get into 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts as far as the results, but 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: another enjoyable parts of Sunday. You see it right in 137 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: front of you every single week, Paul, and that is 138 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: Trey McBride, and we are losing. We are making it hard, 139 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: finding it difficult each and every week, much like Jacoby Brissett, 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: to come up with something different to describe what we 141 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: are witnessing in real time and hopefully we don't lose 142 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: sight of it and enjoy it in the moment because, 143 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, three different records sets two franchise records. 144 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Single season record for receptions by a tight end, which 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: was McBride's own record from a year ago. Single season 146 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: record for receptions period. DeAndre Hopkins previously held it one 147 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen and twenty twenty, and then the NFL 148 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: record single season mark for receptions by a tight end, 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: zach Ertz had that with one hundred and sixteen. Now 150 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: McBride is up to one nineteen this season as far 151 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: as receptions are concerned. And then yeah, he's got over 152 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: one thousand receiving yards. He's double digit in touchdowns, his 153 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: eleventh of the season on Sunday. So again it's it's 154 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: incredible to witness. But at the same time, as Trey 155 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: brought it up postgame, hey, I want to win first 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: and foremost, and there just haven't been as many of 157 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: those versus the records that McBride is setting. 158 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: Think about it. The Cardinals' first third down conversion was 159 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: with less than a minute ago in the third quarter, 160 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: and it was Jacoby Brissett too, Trey McBride. So in 161 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: that context, yes, it's deflating. It's depressing in some ways 162 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: because you went from a thirteen to seven game in 163 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: the second quarter to all of a sudden it was 164 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: thirty seven to seven. Now, was it a furious finished 165 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: by the Cardinals offense? Yes, to Trey McBride, keep balling 166 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: and keep producing, yes, not unlike Larry Fitzgerald did a 167 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: number of times in his career. You know the rest 168 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: of the guys might put it in cruise control, not fits. 169 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: He's still balling. And to me, Craig, we're looking for 170 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: different things to say about Trey McBride, things we haven't 171 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: said before. And my thought in the second half was, 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: you know what, I hope every single young guy, every 173 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: single guy that isn't going to the Pro Bowl, like 174 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: Trey McBride, is watching number eighty five, is taking away 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: just the want to the competitive fire. You know how 176 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: many times as Rob Frederickson said, look, you know there's 177 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: trying to make a play and then there's dying to 178 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: make a play. That's Trey McBride. And so I hope, 179 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: if nothing else not everyone else is gonna be as skilled, 180 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: not even close to a Trey McBride as athletic. You're 181 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: not going to be the playmaker. But you know what, 182 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: you can leave it all out there like Trey McBride. 183 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: That's a controllable. So to me, especially all the new guys, 184 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: the young guy's playing right now, I just hope that 185 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: rubs off that they can glean through us mosis you 186 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: know Michael Wilson plays, that's some same sort of attitude 187 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: and intensity. And guess what they are your two best 188 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: players right now on the field. 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Perfect example of what you're talking about with Trey McBride 190 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: is that fourth and seven after the Bengals had scored 191 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: to make it thirty seven to seven. For all intensive purposes, 192 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: the game was decided. But the Cardinals on offense trying 193 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: to maintain that drive and the Jacoby Brissett pass gets 194 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: batted up in the air at the line of scrimmage 195 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: and Trey jumps to go get that football. Now he 196 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: caught it well short of the line to gain, but 197 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: as he mentioned postgame, I did not want that pass intercepted. 198 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: And even though he knew, hey, this drive is done, 199 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: falls incomplete, or I catch it, but one, if it's 200 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: in your area, you want to catch it as a 201 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: pass catcher, and then hey, this is not a pass 202 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: that should be saddled as an interception on Jacoby. So 203 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: again talk about finishing as far as a play that 204 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: was basically meaningless in the fourth quarter. But there's Trey 205 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: McBride once again making a play. 206 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: And from field level, here's what I can add to that. 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: From field level. It was amazing how he elevated just 208 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: his athleticism in so many different ways. You know, a 209 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: the vertical he got up and above everyone. But then 210 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 3: b something that's a little more subtle is the timing 211 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: to be able to high point a ball like that. 212 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: How many guys miss time the jump and and Trey 213 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: McBride is just he's so naturally gifted in terms of 214 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: his athleticism. You know, like you go back to like 215 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: in high school he set a state record or maybe 216 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: a school record, school record for home runs, right basketball player. 217 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: I mean, none of that surprises me. When Mac Wilson 218 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: senior had his basketball charity event and there he is 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: like wheeling coming, you know, jumping off two feet and 220 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: two hands, slamming of basketball, making it look so natural. 221 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: That's Trey McBride, I mean, pound for pound, maybe the 222 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: most natural overall best athlete out on that field. So 223 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: when that ball was up and jump ball territory and 224 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: he grabbed it and separated himself from all the other 225 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: defenders on the field, I wasn't shocked at all, but 226 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: it was something to behold, no doubt. 227 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: You also like the self awareness for Trey and what 228 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: he accomplished in sixteen games, which he made mentioned postgame quote, 229 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to give me a hard time 230 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: about that, and then he added, it really doesn't matter. 231 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Would love to have won the game, would love to 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: have played better as an offense. And again that's that 233 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: team over you mentality. Yes, the individual numbers are great, 234 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: and you can reflect at the end of the season, 235 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: at the end of your career, but you want to 236 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: win games. And the Cardinals now have lost eight in 237 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: a row and are three and thirteen. 238 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: Right, So, once again to recap, he broke zach Ertz's 239 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: all time single season record for catches by a tight end, 240 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: which is now one to nineteen. He said, the Cardinals 241 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: team record for most receptions in a season, right, correct, 242 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: what was the third one. 243 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: And the franch all time single season record for receptions 244 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: by a tight end, So it's position, and then it's 245 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: overall okay, and then league wise it's position. Plus he's 246 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: also the first tight end with multiple seasons of one 247 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: hundred and ten or more receptions in a single season. 248 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: True, and then he's about fifty yards away from breaking 249 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: Jackie Smith's all time single season receiving yards record by 250 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: a tight end right in team history. So that's on 251 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: the line in week seventeen. So yeah, another week, another 252 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: trio of NFL or team records that Trey McBride is broken, 253 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 3: you know, just just another week in December for him. 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: You brought it up the thirteen to seven score in 255 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: which Michael Wilson with a touchdown catch. By the way, 256 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: great play by Michael Wilson hugging the sideline, tiptoeing making 257 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: sure it does not step out of bounds on what 258 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: was one of the few chunk plays in the game 259 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals offense. But early in the second quarter, 260 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: it's thirteen to seven. Okay, things are good, looking good. 261 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: The defense forces three and out, but then the offense 262 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: goes three and out. The Bengals respond with a ten play, 263 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: sixty yard drive to kick a field goal make it 264 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: sixteen to seven, and at that point it was okay. 265 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: The floodgates open and the Bengals scored twenty four straight points. 266 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: And again it was postgame, it was Cardinal talk and 267 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the discussion going into that game on Sunday, Paul, especially 268 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, and I know, sometimes 269 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: numbers don't always tell the story. Yes, the Bengals defensively 270 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: had been playing better but overall, and AQ Shipley brought 271 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: it up before they went on the air live during 272 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: their little twenty minute conversation before kickoff. He's reading off numbers. 273 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: It's either thirty two, thirty one, thirty or twenty nine. 274 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Those are the defensive rankings for the Cincinnati Bengals going 275 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: into that game yesterday. Yet the Cardinals offensively could do nothing. 276 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: And that's the frustrating, disappointing part about Week seventeen is 277 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: because everything was in front of you as an offense 278 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: to perform much better, and you arguably had your worst 279 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: performance offensively of the season. 280 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: You thought you could get a downhill rushing attack going 281 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: between the tackles akin to what you did against Atlanta. 282 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: Wasn't dominating, but it was effective. Against Atlanta, it did 283 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: set up play action. There was none of that against 284 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals for whatever reason. And it wasn't just 285 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: because you got behind once again. It was a thirteen 286 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: to seven game there in the second quarter. At the 287 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: half it was twenty three to seven, So it's not 288 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: at the point at which you would abandon the run 289 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: game entirely. But I saw an offensive line comprised mainly 290 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: of backups and depth guys that alternated between battling and struggling. 291 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: I saw an offensive line that allowed Jacoby Brissett to 292 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: be pressured on a season nine forty one plus percent 293 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: of his dropbacks. And after the game, Zach Taylor told 294 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: this Cincinnati media that that's basically where he started, was 295 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: the ability to affect Jacoby Brissett, ability to hit and 296 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: harass him and keep him on the move and you know, 297 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: speed up his clock. And whereas Joe Burrow had plenty 298 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: of time in the pocket except for a stretch in 299 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: the second quarter, two straight possessions, clay As Campbell had 300 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: a sack, got the Cardinals defense off the field, and 301 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: then the very next possession you had two in a 302 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: row of Cody Simon blitz and then a Dalvin Tomlinson sack. 303 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: But those were the only three sacks of the game. 304 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: It was just sort of like, you know, out of nowhere, 305 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the Cardinals got home defensively, whereas 306 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett was consistently running and trying to buy time 307 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: and keep his eyes downfield. And then, as I talked 308 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: to Brissett after the game, and I asked him, he 309 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: can go to the Cardinals YouTube page. You can see 310 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: the Q and A. And I asked him about what 311 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: they were doing defensively. Did they go with a lot 312 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: of the cloud coverages against Trey McBride that and Lanta 313 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: used the week before? I said no, it was really 314 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: more just a matter of them doubling tray shading towards 315 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson. And then you got to have an answer. 316 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: You know, if they're going to devote their resources and 317 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: assets towards your two best playmakers, then what And the 318 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: Cardinals just could not make them pay often enough, especially 319 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: via the run. 320 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: McBride ten catches seventy six yards in a touchdown, Michael 321 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Wilson five catches eighty nine yards and a touchdown. Marvin Harrison, 322 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: who was dealing with a heel issue going into the 323 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: game and in the game, did not play a ton, 324 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: was only targeted once, did not finish with a reception, 325 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: second time in his career in which he has had 326 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: a game in which we did not catch a football. 327 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: And if you don't have a run game, which the 328 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals have not and did not on Sunday, and all 329 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden you're taking away Trey or limiting him. 330 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: You're taking away Michael or limited him. There's not much 331 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: else for you to go if you are Jacoby Brissett 332 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: as far as trying to search for ways to get 333 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: the ball downfield and into the red zone and ultimately 334 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: score touchdowns. And that's why the Cardinals did not have 335 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: very many trips inside the red zone until the fourth 336 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: quarter went. At that point, again, Joe Burrow's watching on 337 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: the sideline, Joe Flacco's in the game for the Bengals, 338 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: and since then, a defensively is just trying to keep 339 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: things in front of them and keep that clock moving. 340 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: No doubt, it would have been a great game for 341 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior to be healthy, because okay, all right, Bengals, 342 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 3: you're going to vote assets and resources towards Trey McBride 343 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: and Michael Wilson. What are you gonna do against number eighteen? 344 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: But he came out of the game in the second half. 345 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 3: He was definitely battling that heel injury. And you know, 346 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: at this point, I'd be surprised if he played in 347 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: week eighteen. I have no inside intel, but you know 348 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: he's in a lot of pain. That is a tough injury. 349 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: So it'd have been great to have seen Marvin Harrison 350 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: Junior at full health and what could he have done 351 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: when the defense was shading towards the other guys. But again, 352 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: you know, whereas the last two weeks you've seen a 353 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: great passing game by the opponent to the running back 354 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: out of the backfield b Jon Robinson and then Chase Brown, 355 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: Cardinals just don't have that right now to try and 356 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 3: keep a defense honest when they're deploying, you know, cover 357 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: guys at the second and third level, Well, how about 358 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: a little swing pass out of the backfield to the 359 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: back to keep them honest in that way, try and 360 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: stretch the field, get defenders in space. That was Cincinnati 361 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: to me. They were so effective getting Chase Brown and 362 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: other weapons into space, making the Cardinals make open field tackles. 363 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: And that was a struggle for that Cardinals defense, especially 364 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: in the first half of the game. And so, you know, 365 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 3: Cardinals just haven't been able to keep a defense honest 366 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: in a similar manner. 367 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: And then something that Jonathan Gannon told you at halftime 368 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: and reiterated after the ballgame, and that was third down. 369 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: If there's a stat that you are. 370 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: Going to look at in this ballgame from Sunday, it 371 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: is what the Cardinals did on third down versus what 372 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: the Bengals did on third down. Cardinals went three to thirteen, 373 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: the Bengals ten of fifteen. As J G said, quote, 374 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: they converted a bunch, we didn't. They stayed on the field, 375 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: we didn't. And that was the other noticeable that stat, 376 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and Rob and I talked about it on Cardinal Talk 377 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't put a lot of 378 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: stock in time of possession. I mean, it's just okay, 379 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: you possess the football, but what are you doing when 380 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: you possess the football forty almost forty one minutes of 381 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: possession of the football and you score thirty seven points? 382 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals had the ball for just over nineteen minutes nineteen 383 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: oh four to be exact, and you score fourteen points. 384 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: So again it's it was totally lopsided the number of 385 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: plays and just how long Joe Burrow and company were 386 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: on the fill compared to Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals. 387 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: A Q. 388 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: Shipley, one of Bruce Arians all time favorite guys. He 389 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: cited that BA stat which we remember and I don't 390 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 3: really care about time possession. What I do care about 391 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: is point per minute. If you can score a point 392 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: per minute of ball possession. And at one point in 393 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: that third quarter, it was thirty to whatever, and they 394 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: had thirty something points on the board, So and they 395 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 3: almost matched the time of possession with points on the scoreboards. 396 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: So that's the sort of efficiency that a lot of 397 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 3: head coaches are looking for. You know, Cincinnati was able 398 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: to generate that. But as I asked, Jacobe were said 399 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: about the third down question after the game at his locker, 400 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: and again you can see it for yourself on the 401 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 3: Cardinals YouTube page rasycardinals dot com and asked them about 402 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: what how do you diagnose what didn't happen on third down? 403 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: He said, hey, you got to earn the right to 404 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: stay in the field. You know, it's not rocket science. 405 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: I'm quoting now. We just have to get out of 406 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 3: our own way. So, all right, translation, first and second 407 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: down or vital you gotta make it third and manageable. 408 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: Cardinals didn't do that often enough, obviously, and then in 409 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 3: those gotta have it downs, third down, fourth down. You 410 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 3: can't suffer this self inflicted. There can't be any communication errors. 411 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: There can't be then assignment and alignment errors. You saw 412 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: a legal formation again, you saw too much movement along 413 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. All the Cardinals putting themselves in 414 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: jeopardy via self inflicted mistakes. And I think that's what's 415 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: exasperating right now for a guy, especially a ten year vet, 416 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: a detail oriented guy like Jacoby Brissett. 417 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals are making it more difficult on themselves, both offensively 418 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: and defensively. When it comes to third down. You talk 419 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: about third down and manageable for you, is that you 420 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: go up to seven yards or is it more than five? 421 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: Six yards? 422 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: Is more manageable? 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: And when you say we know it and short is 424 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: that's typically three yards maybe four yards of fewer manageable? 425 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: Is what do you think of six yards? Seven yards? 426 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? Third and five in that vicinity? Sure? 427 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: All right here here, because I did a little bit 428 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: of a deeper dive on third down. What the Cardinals 429 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: had yards to go versus the Bengals yards to go? 430 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: So interesting? All right? 431 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals thirteen attempts on third down. Eight of the thirteen 432 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: they had to go at least eight yards. Wow, and 433 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: typically it was more than eight yards. The Bengals fifteen 434 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: attempts nine of those fifteen six or fewer yards, with 435 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: many of those three yards or less. So again, we 436 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: all look at third down, but what do you do 437 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: on first down? What do you do on second down 438 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: to keep that playbook wide open as opposed to defensively, 439 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: if it's third and seven plus nine times out of ten, 440 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna drop back and throw it, especially if you 441 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: don't have a run game, which the Cardinals have not 442 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: had for much of this season. So defenses know what 443 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: you're going to do, and you're going to backpedal as 444 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman to pass protect, and the defense is 445 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: going to press the issue and move forward, making it 446 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: much more difficult to either have time in the pocket, 447 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: especially as you noted how many backups and reserves that 448 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: are on that offensive line compared to what you began 449 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: this season with, and then you're able to just move 450 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: forward and move guys that you are just more talented, 451 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: then move them aside to get to wherever you need 452 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: to go in the backfield. 453 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, not enough mix downs where it's a viable threat 454 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: of the run or the pass. You know that that 455 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: was a big thing obviously, and that's a key for 456 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, you know, and then the other thing is 457 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: in those third down situations, Joe Burrow had the ability 458 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 3: to be really patient. And the one thing Jonathan Gannon said, 459 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: besides you know, being captain obvious about Joe Burrow, their 460 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: arm talent, the accuracy, the timing, the competitive fire, He's 461 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: a really patient quarterback all day long. He'll take what 462 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 3: you give him. He will not force things. And so 463 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: that's exactly what he did. That's why they were able 464 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: to sit on the ball, eat up time on the clock. 465 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: You know, forge ten and twelve play drives. Why does 466 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: this phone keep going off and giving me a ding? 467 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 3: I have no idea. I mean, I'm agreeing with whatever 468 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: you're saying at that point, right And you know, I 469 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 3: thought that ding was actually in my head. I thought 470 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 3: I was making a lot of sense, and unfortunately it 471 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: was just the phone and get off me. On Cardinals 472 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: game plan, We'll get to that a little bit later. 473 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: One assignment at a time, right now here on a Monday. 474 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: So you had Joe Burrow was able to have all 475 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: the time in the world. I mean, he targeted twelve 476 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: different dudes between him and Joe Flacco and then the 477 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: Cardinals as we cited forty one plus percent of Jacoby 478 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: Brissett's dropbacks. He was getting hit, harassed, pressured. So there's 479 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: a world of difference right there, and you know where 480 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: it manifests itself in the third down conversions three of 481 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: thirteen versus ten of fifteen. 482 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: And that's why the Cardinals were on the wrong end 483 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: once again of a thirty seven to fourteen decision in 484 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Cincinnati defense. A couple of things to note. One, you 485 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: spoke with Cody Simon postgame on the Cardinals' Locker Room show. 486 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was aware at that time 487 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: because at one point he did have his first career sack, 488 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: a full sack. Rob and I discussed this as well, 489 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: when that gets taken away from you and you have 490 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: to share that with a Zavon Collins, it's a half sack, 491 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: is yes, it's technically still your first career sack, but 492 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: are you able to enjoy it as much because you're 493 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: sharing it with someone else? Now? He did have talking 494 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: about Cody Simon a season best fifteen tackles. He has 495 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: had an up and down season as that defensive play 496 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: caller on the field, but I do think he's learning 497 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: a Ton, especially considering where this Cardinals team hopes that 498 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Cody Simon can be, whether that's next season or the 499 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: season after that, as far as being that anchor of 500 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: this defense and the quarterback of the defense. 501 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. Joe Burrow had a comment after the 502 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: game where he talked about, you know, look, momentum isn't 503 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: gonna have transferred in the next season, but he said 504 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: personal growth is transferable. That's Joe Burrow. Now, so don't 505 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: at me, because that's Joe Burrow saying, am I just 506 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: steal that? And so okay, you're looking to finish out 507 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 3: a season, all right, what goes into it? What are 508 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: you playing for? Well, Kalais Campbell doubled down on what 509 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: he said earlier in the year after this last game 510 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: as well, you're playing for your job. You need to 511 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: sign your work. Your game film is going to be 512 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: your application to stay in the NFL. So there's that. 513 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: But then those guys who are made men, if you will, 514 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: whether you a young guy in a high draft pick 515 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: or whomever, that personal growth quote is transferable from Joe Burrow. 516 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 3: I do believe in that. There's no doubt. I mean, 517 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: Will Johnson and Denzel Burke going against Jamar Chase and 518 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: t Higgins for four quarters, right, well three and a 519 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: half quarters. I mean, that's invaluable going into next year. 520 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: And I thought Will Johnson did a fairly job now. 521 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 3: Two games ago he had some issues against Nico Collins, right, 522 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 3: and especially against Pukainakua, But I think the last two 523 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: games he's been able to rebound and make more plays 524 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: at the point of attack, which is exactly what Jonathan 525 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: Gannon has been looking for. So yeah, some of these 526 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: young guys and what they're able to do here at 527 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: the end of the year. Cody Simon in particular, it's 528 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: not I'm not going to minimize or backtrack on what 529 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 3: I've been saying though for six seven weeks. The loss 530 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: of Mac Wilson Senior, maybe more than any other player 531 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: on the injured list right now, has been devastating to 532 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: the Cardinals defense. The more I talk to guys, the 533 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 3: more I realize how much he was responsible for, how 534 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: much this scheme puts into an experienced middle linebacker who 535 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: can get all three levels of the defense set, who 536 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: can play cat and mouse in chess games with the 537 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: quarterback the checks, and then also be a badass sideline 538 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: to sideline, come downhill, fit the right gaps. The way 539 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: I understand it, this cardinal scheme in two is really 540 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 3: demanding of a middle linebacker to have to fit a 541 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 3: variety of different run gaps, and you have to be 542 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: able to recognize Reid, seek and destroy and do it 543 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: in a millisecond. And if you don't, then the opposing 544 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: offense he is going to get to the second level 545 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: and beyond. And so you've seen that being consistent minus 546 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 3: Mac Wilson Sr. Now if Cody Simon, who seems to 547 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: have every single trait you're looking for to middle linebacker, 548 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: can gain some of that experience, and that's one of 549 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: the benefits here in the last two months and playing 550 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: out the string, then okay, all right, Now he knows 551 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: what he didn't know as a rookie and he can 552 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: work on that going into year two. 553 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: And that's what you hope is the lesson that has 554 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: learned here late in the season. I'm glad you brought 555 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: up Denzel Burke and Will Johnson because I think there 556 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: was a big spotlight on them considering Jamar Chase and 557 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: t Higgins. Certainly on that opening drive we saw Denzel 558 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: with a couple of passes. Defense, we also saw Jamar 559 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: Chase with three catches for thirty nine yards and a touchdown. 560 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: The numbers though at the end of the day for 561 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: Jamar and t Higgins really after three quarters, it wasn't 562 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: like two years ago when Jamar Chase lit up the 563 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: Cardinals defense. Now, what the Bengals have now, or what 564 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: they have found, is a running game and a running 565 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: back in Chase Brown, who is very good running the 566 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: football as well as catching the football. So that has 567 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: a different dimension with this Bengals offense. But there was 568 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: perhaps some concern going in. All Right, you got one 569 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best wide receivers in 570 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the game and Jamar Chase, and it's not just one rookie, 571 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: it's two rookie cornerbacks that will have to figure out 572 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: a way not to stop him, but to slow him down. 573 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 1: And Chase finishes with sixty yards and seven receptions and 574 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns. Yes, but it wasn't like ten 575 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: catches for one hundred and forty yards and multiple touchdowns. 576 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: By the way, Jamar Chase hadn't scored in like the 577 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: last seven games before Sunday, so he was due at 578 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: some point and they dould think again, what did did 579 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: you gain? What did you learn if you're Denzel Burke 580 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: and Will Johnson from matching up against Jamar Chasing company 581 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: going into next season. 582 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: And there were plenty of times, especially in that first half, 583 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: where they were one on one in press man against 584 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 3: t Higgins and Jamar Chase and with no real help 585 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: over the top. There was one deep safety, but you 586 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: know they were on an island against two of the 587 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: premier receivers in the league what john and the Ganner 588 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: referred to as one A and one A plus when 589 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: you're talking about those two guys and you are soul right, 590 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right here. Twenty twenty three, we 591 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 3: all remember what Jamar Chase did in that win by 592 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 3: the Bengals and when they came to the az fifteen 593 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: catches for one hundred and ninety two yards and three touchdowns, 594 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 3: one of the all time great receiver performances in the 595 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: history of State Farm Stadium. So he didn't wreck the 596 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: game to nearly the same magnitude, but he was good 597 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: and that one touchdown catch and run to start things 598 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: off where he was really elusive and was able to 599 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: get into the end zone that was very impressive. Bengals, 600 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: as Joe Burrows said postgame, were efficients offensively. Five of 601 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: their first seven possessions ended in a touchdown. On the 602 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: other hand, five of the Cardinals first seven possessions ended 603 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: in a three and out. So again, the inability for 604 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: this Cardinals team to stay on the field and defensively 605 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: get off the field ultimately cost them on Sunday thirty 606 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: seven to fourteen, the final eighth straight loss. The record 607 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: now stands at three and thirteen with one more game 608 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: to go. The question I ask you now, Paul is 609 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: final game potentially for Kalayis Campbell in his career. We 610 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: can dive more into that in the days and weeks 611 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: to come, but I bring up Kalais because he did 612 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: have a sack six and a half this season and 613 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: as was noted by the league, twenty ninth different stadium 614 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: for Kalais to record a sack over his eighteen year career, 615 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: and I believe there is an incentive bonus if Kalayis 616 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: reaches seven and sex this season. So again, what is 617 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: there to play for on Sunday in Los Angeles? Individual 618 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: numbers and maybe some extra help in the bank account. 619 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 3: I know he got an incentive for getting to five sacks. 620 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: That was earlier this year. I believe it was in Dallas. 621 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember exactly when that was metament earlier 622 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: in the year actually, so there's that. Yeah, another little 623 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: incentive in the contract always helps with the holiday credit 624 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: card bills. Good timing on that route for the big man. 625 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: But just the experience of him coming back this year, 626 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: if this is it, you got to soak this in, right, 627 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: you got to soak this in. And what he's been 628 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: able to do, and some of the ridiculous records in 629 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: the company he's keeping. The one stat I cited during 630 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 3: the game, he now has fifteen or more seasons of 631 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: five or more sacks and there's only three other guys 632 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: who have done that, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Julius Peppers, 633 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 3: all Hall of famers. So just the elite company that 634 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: he's keeping in so many different ways, and just the 635 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: ability to mentor guys. You see it during the week, 636 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 3: you see it on the bench during the game, you 637 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: saw Darius Robinson going up to him. I believe the 638 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: TV cameras caught that where it went up to Kalaiis 639 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: Campbell over the course of the game, trying to get 640 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: some advice and some in game tutelage. So all of that, 641 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: and then just the ability to be that spokesperson and 642 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 3: to be one of two knock on Wood team captains 643 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: still standing and we're in that game. It was Kalais 644 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: and Yolder Frohold right correct. Five other team captains injured 645 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: and out. And oh, by the way, if you didn't 646 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: appreciate Buddha Baker and his value to the Cardinals defense, 647 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: were you watching the tackling? Were you watching it? Was 648 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: sort of like Steve Nash two time when he won 649 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: his first NBA MVP Award. How did he clinch it? 650 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: It was the one week in January where he was 651 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: injured and the Sons were a hot mess without him, 652 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 3: and with him they were a sixty win team. To me, 653 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: that's the difference between Buddha Baker and the Cardinals secondary 654 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: and Buddha Baker out of the game. You saw it 655 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, Campbell quote. We missed a lot of tackles. 656 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: The effort was there, the execution. 657 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Was not, and the execution has not been there a 658 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: few times this season when it comes to the tackling, 659 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: whether it's guys eluding defenders or breaking away from tackles, 660 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a three or four yard 661 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: gain becomes thirteen, fourteen, fifteen yards and you're forced as 662 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: a defender to turn around and look because that guy's 663 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: running behind you. 664 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 3: And it is a skill set, There's no doubt. I mean, 665 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: to be able to take down a highly skilled elite athlete, 666 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: an offensive playmaker, and to do it in space, it 667 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 3: is a really hard skill. I know everyone talks about, 668 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: you know, so many offensive stats and how skillless skill 669 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: players well a dB to bring down an elite playmaker 670 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: in space and during an NFL game, to me is 671 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: an elite skill. Buddah Baker as it Galen Thompson's really 672 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: good at it. Cardinals have been blessed with that, you know, 673 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: and then as on it again and has talked about 674 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: the last couple weeks specially on his TV show. There 675 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: are tacklers and there are hitters. There are defenders who 676 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: make a ball carrier or pass catcher defend themself because 677 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: you're coming in so hot, you're coming in with such 678 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: ill intent, you're coming in with such physicality and violence 679 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: that you're making a guy defend himself first before he 680 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 3: is even thinking about yards after catch and then ultimately 681 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: according to Johnathan again, and you do the studies and 682 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 3: a lot of those type of players result in plays 683 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: that end up in takeaways, end up in balls on 684 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 3: the turf, and so those are valuable assets to have. 685 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: And you got to know, all right, when do I 686 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: not have any help? And I got to just bring 687 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 3: him down and just make a tackle, and then okay, 688 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 3: I have some help around me. I'm going for the 689 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 3: big hit and maybe separating the ball carrier from the 690 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 3: football before we clear you here and let you go 691 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: prepare for Cardinals game plan. The Angry Bird Award for 692 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: Week seventeen, Paul, I. 693 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: Know people anxiously await each and every week, especially the 694 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: last several weeks, because it is the one time we 695 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: can single out some positivity that happens on a Sunday. 696 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 3: No doubt it goes to the most salacious play or player. 697 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: And it'd be easy to give it to Trey McBride 698 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: in the other three NFL record set, but he's a 699 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: repeat winner. I'm gonna go with our postgame radio guest a. 700 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: He was a stand up guy and he was a 701 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 3: very tough locker room. It was raw, We had some 702 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: technical difficulties. He was patient, he was insightful. Cody Simon, 703 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: he also ended up atop the stat sheet, and I 704 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 3: think he's been making some significant enough strides and improvements 705 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 3: and that one blitz where he ended up with half 706 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 3: a sack was really well done. And you know, he 707 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 3: got his name called a ton of times. And obviously 708 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: that Bengals offense was all about ball control and running 709 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: a ton of plays, and guess what, he was at 710 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 3: the epicenter of bringing down the ball carrier more often 711 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 3: than not. So for that the fourth round rookie linebacker, 712 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 3: this week's Angry Bird Award winner. 713 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: And props to all those that joining you postgame, Paul, 714 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: especially after a loss, because that's not easy. Typically it's 715 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: someone who did have a good performance, or it's a veteran, 716 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: a team captain. Much more difficult when it's your first 717 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: year and you have been thrust into this position as 718 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: a leader defensively, even though you just got out of 719 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: Ohio State in this case. But Cody Simon, we've been 720 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: around him long enough. Yeah, you are a Day three pick, 721 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: but he carries himself more. I wouldn't say like a 722 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: first or a second round pick. But he just carries 723 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: himself more like an established player who's been in the 724 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: league more than just the seventeen or sixteen games that 725 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: he has played so far. 726 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 3: You know, and talking to him a little bit. When 727 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 3: you come from Ohio State and any game you play, 728 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 3: there's so many Ohio State alums out there. Well, guess 729 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 3: what he practiced against a lot of those guys, right, CJ. 730 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: Stroud for example, a couple of weeks ago. Well, he 731 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 3: went against CJ. Stroud every day for three years in practice. 732 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: So you can get out there with some of the 733 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 3: best football players in the world and you can say, well, 734 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 3: I remember when dot dot dot and just have that 735 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 3: the confidence that you belong and I know a couple 736 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 3: of guys. Isaiah Adams talked about it in the off 737 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: season coming off his rookie year. Every rookie goes through this. Okay, 738 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 3: am I suffering from imposter syndrome? Do I belong here? 739 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: All? 740 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 3: Right? I made plays in college, doesn't necessarily mean that 741 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to earn a living in the NFL. You 742 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 3: have to prove it to yourself more than anything else. 743 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson has talked about that in year three, proving 744 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 3: it to himself. Now it goes in with that superior confidence. 745 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 3: I've been there, had done that, I've made plays against 746 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: some of the best dudes in the league. I'm going 747 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 3: to continue to make plays. And so that's the sort 748 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: of elevation you can see rookie from year one to 749 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,479 Speaker 3: year two and then like year three if you keep 750 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 3: working hard, and Cody Simon, you know, from all indications, 751 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: appears to be that guy who has that work ethic. 752 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you hope there are more than just the Cody 753 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: Simons or the Michael Wilson's. Isaiah Adams is a perfect example. 754 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: Someone that had us arting job, lost it, regained it, 755 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: and I think is playing much better and feeling much 756 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: better about himself as well. 757 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 3: Just need more of those players. 758 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Going into twenty twenty six season finale of Cardinals. Game 759 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: plan this week, Paul or is there are we gonna 760 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: leave on a cliffhanger? Or do you know what? Do 761 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: you know what your your the rest of the schedule 762 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: is for you because I know you're you're very very busy. 763 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 3: The uh okay, the light detector just went off. We 764 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 3: need instead of a ding, we need a buzzer. I 765 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 3: believe this is the last one, so get it well 766 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 3: last It'll be Wednesday night, which is otherwise known as 767 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 3: New Year's Eve. So yes, I. 768 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: Can't think of a better way to spend the final 769 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: day twenty twenty five than with Paul Calvey see Danny Surek, 770 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: a q Shipley, and the head coach of your Arizona Cardinals, 771 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gett. 772 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: I mean, when a q Shipley's on, we might have him. 773 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have a tumbler out there with a fine 774 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: whiskey on the rocks for him, you know, as he's 775 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: wont to enjoy and somebody we'll have that up there, 776 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 3: and maybe we'll have a streamer, a couple of horns 777 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 3: and nice New Year's festive at for a q Shipley. 778 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 3: That'd be good. 779 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: You know. 780 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure he didn't he'd enjoy that. So yes, one 781 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 3: one to go there. We'll get the thoughts from the 782 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 3: head coach, not only on Cincinnati, what's coming against the Rams, 783 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 3: his thought on the season, what's most important going into 784 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 3: the off season. Yes, that is all coming our way. 785 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 3: And then but remember bird Watch, the cardinals other weekly 786 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 3: TV show is fifty weeks a year, so Boom. Birdwatch 787 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 3: will continue and we'll continue to get your weekly Cardinals 788 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 3: news and features with Danny Surrek each and every week. 789 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: Just cannot get enough of Paul Calvc, even in the 790 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: off season, bird Gang, even in the off season. 791 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 3: Again, the live detector went off. You know, you were 792 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 3: doing really well, Craig, to the very end here and 793 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 3: then you know, Finish. 794 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: Then we got Finish Finish. 795 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 3: I just finished Drive, Finish Games, Finish Podcast, you know, 796 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 3: and then right now you've got something to work on 797 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 3: going into the off season. 798 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: Fair enough, how about we finished this edition of Cardinals 799 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cards. 800 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamhandre 801 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig 802 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: real Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on 803 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.