Speaker 1: And you know, I think the ability to be alone
Speaker 1: and play alone has kind of been my biggest asset
Speaker 1: as a as an actor, but also as like a
Speaker 1: person growing up. And maybe that's also, you know, an
Speaker 1: attribute of some serial.
Speaker 2: Killers being able to.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying here, hide something for you.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm Isabelle Ferban. I'm an actress and barbecue enthusiast.
Speaker 4: Hi, everybody, thank you for joining me once again on
Speaker 4: well my favorite podcast, Off the Beat. This is your host,
Speaker 4: Brian Bomgartner. If you are a horror fan, well, guess
Speaker 4: what you probably have known my guest since she was
Speaker 4: ten years old. Isabelle Furman started her career very young
Speaker 4: by being the absolutely terrifying Esther in the horror film Orphan.
Speaker 4: Since then, she has continued her reign of terror in
Speaker 4: movies like Don't Let Me Go Down a Dark Hall,
Speaker 4: The Novice, Stephen king Cell, and she even returned to
Speaker 4: the role of Esther as an adult in Orphan First Kill. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she was twenty five playing a nine year old. We
Speaker 4: discussed that today and much much more. Isabelle also well,
Speaker 4: she was a fan of the Hunger Games and we
Speaker 4: were all a fan of the Hunger Games. She played
Speaker 4: Clove in The Hunger Games, then Tessa in a series
Speaker 4: I adored, Masters of Sex. Then she's even cleansed our palets,
Speaker 4: if you will with some lighter fair salvation Boulevard Dear
Speaker 4: eleanor Shiros. And now you can see her in The
Speaker 4: Wild Wild, Western Epic Horizon and American Saga, Kevin Costner's
Speaker 4: latest work. There will be four films. The first one
Speaker 4: is out, the second one is right around the corner.
Speaker 4: Isabelle and I grew up in Atlanta. We were both
Speaker 4: Westminster Wildcats, and then we made our way to Hollywood
Speaker 4: for this thing we call acting. I feel like we
Speaker 4: can both still pass as children. Some may not agree
Speaker 4: with me. There here she is. I have enjoyed getting
Speaker 4: to know her today. Isabelle Furman. Everyone, Bubble and squeak.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Bubble and Squeakna, bubble and squeak.
Speaker 4: Cook it.
Speaker 3: From the people. What's up as a Belle?
Speaker 2: What's up? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great? I'm really excited to talk to you today.
Speaker 4: Actually, well, I mean thank you one. I am excited
Speaker 4: to talk to you. I've heard a lot about you.
Speaker 4: You know full disclosure for those of you listening, we
Speaker 4: we work with similar people, though to my knowledge we
Speaker 4: have never met before.
Speaker 3: Is this is this correct?
Speaker 2: We've never before, but we do work with similar people.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you've heard you've heard good things
Speaker 1: about me, because I've heard great things about.
Speaker 2: Our people. Are doing good jobs.
Speaker 3: They're doing they're doing a good job. You know.
Speaker 4: I I have researchers. They deep dive into every corner
Speaker 4: of your being, and on the document they apparently researched you,
Speaker 4: but have forgotten about me. There's no acknowledgment about this.
Speaker 4: So let's you're born in Washington, d C. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: moved to Atlanta. Yeah, and you attended.
Speaker 3: The Westminster Schools.
Speaker 4: Now, I attended the Westminster Schools as well. We're roughly
Speaker 4: the same age, so we must have run into each
Speaker 4: other there.
Speaker 2: So you went to Westminster too, I did, Oh what
Speaker 2: I mean, how long?
Speaker 4: We don't ask? Don't ask? Okay, all right, well that
Speaker 4: must be why you never heard of.
Speaker 3: Me there, because you're only in elementary school.
Speaker 4: I mean, I do you know? My intention was this
Speaker 4: is a funny story. My intention was, it's not in
Speaker 4: this room. My intention is to bring today to show
Speaker 4: to you the Hall of Fame trophy that I had.
Speaker 4: It's very large. In fact, it's so large it doesn't
Speaker 4: fit on my shelf. My Hall of Fame trophy from
Speaker 4: the Westminster Schools. But let's be honest. They gave it
Speaker 4: to me. They gave it to me. You know, Ed
Speaker 4: Helms went to the Westminster Schools as well, both of us,
Speaker 4: and well so she knew.
Speaker 2: That and now.
Speaker 3: Oh got it, got it.
Speaker 4: So you know, they they gave us awards basically so
Speaker 4: they could raise money.
Speaker 3: Let's be clear about this. I believe that the awards were.
Speaker 4: Not uh I don't know, I don't know what do
Speaker 4: you call it. That It wasn't out of the kindness
Speaker 4: of their heart. They were trying to raise some money.
Speaker 4: But I have it, and I still have it. I
Speaker 4: was going to show it to you, but you were
Speaker 4: only there in elementary school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was only a wildcat for a short time.
Speaker 3: Wildcat. I'm surprised you remember wildcat.
Speaker 2: I do because high School Musical was the first time
Speaker 2: wildcats were like in a movie, and I remember being like,
Speaker 2: but I'm a wildcat, a wildcat.
Speaker 3: A Westminster wildcat. So why only elementary.
Speaker 1: School So when I went to Westminster, I was in first, second,
Speaker 1: and third grade, and when I was in third grade,
Speaker 1: shout out to Miss Milly Priles. That was when I
Speaker 1: first went shout out Milly Priles. I went first went
Speaker 1: to LA during my third grade year at Westminster, and
Speaker 1: that was when I started acting. And Westminster actually was like, look,
Speaker 1: you can't just leave in the middle of the year
Speaker 1: for like two months to go and pursue your dreams.
Speaker 2: Even if she's doing school work.
Speaker 1: So they said that they would like hold a place
Speaker 1: for me the following year if I wanted to leave
Speaker 1: for fourth grade and then come back. And ended up
Speaker 1: kind of negotiating a deal with my parents to go
Speaker 1: to LA for a year and if nothing happened, I'd
Speaker 1: just go back to being a wildcat.
Speaker 2: And I ended up booking.
Speaker 1: Orphan and Miss Millie Prile told me that I have
Speaker 1: to give her a shout out because it's because of
Speaker 1: her that she fought to allow you to go and
Speaker 1: pursue my dream while I was installed in school.
Speaker 4: So so you did, so you moved to LA.
Speaker 3: So you were that at that young of an age,
Speaker 3: you knew what you wanted to do.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: I've always known that this is what I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: which is really crazy. My I have a I have
Speaker 1: an older sister, and so anything that she did I
Speaker 1: subsequently did because I was just the tag along. So
Speaker 1: like she was going to be a professional professional tennis
Speaker 1: player and then a swimmer and an ice skater and
Speaker 1: I did all of that. But I started singing in
Speaker 1: school at Westminster funny enough, and ended up doing musical theater.
Speaker 1: And that was how I kind of got introduced to acting,
Speaker 1: was through like a musical theater camp. And that musical
Speaker 1: theater camp, one of the women who ran it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, Cartoon Network in Atlanta is always casting kids
Speaker 1: to do little shout outs and for TV episodes, and
Speaker 1: my mom took my sister and I. I was too
Speaker 1: little to audition, but they thought I was cute, so
Speaker 1: they cast both of us, and my sister just hated it,
Speaker 1: and I just loved it because I just got to
Speaker 1: play pretend with a bunch of adults who were I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I wasn't getting paid, but they were getting
Speaker 1: paid to play pretend with me, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was amazing. And then through that I actually the casting
Speaker 1: director there set up, you know, which he said was
Speaker 1: an appointment, but it ended up being an open call
Speaker 1: for an agent in Atlanta, which was the only agency
Speaker 1: Atlanta in Atlanta at the time. Hot Shot Kids and
Speaker 1: I went for an audition there and got signed and
Speaker 1: ended up one of my audition tapes ended up in LA.
Speaker 1: It really kind of like all happened in a really wild,
Speaker 1: crazy way because both my parents had full time jobs.
Speaker 1: This was not what they probably set out for their
Speaker 1: seven or eight year old.
Speaker 3: To be doing.
Speaker 4: Right. Were they into it though? Did they?
Speaker 2: They were supportive?
Speaker 1: I mean I think that my mom thought that my
Speaker 1: mom and dad thought that it was kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, kids go horseback riding after school and my
Speaker 1: sister was playing tennis, so like, yeah, she does, you know,
Speaker 1: acting and auditions after school, like the thing crazy, And
Speaker 1: then I don't. I don't think it was until I
Speaker 1: actually booked Orphan, and this was after I had done
Speaker 1: some commercials and we had been in LA for a
Speaker 1: couple of months in my third grade year that I
Speaker 1: think that was the first time that my parents kind.
Speaker 2: Of were like, oh, this is like a real thing,
Speaker 2: Like this is like a real job that people have.
Speaker 1: A Yeah, and it was actually I think that my
Speaker 1: mom's is the big moment was so Leonardo DiCaprio produced Or,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't really know, and he
Speaker 1: is the reason that I did that, Like he he
Speaker 1: was the reason that I was cast. He saw my
Speaker 1: audition tape and he said that he would pull the
Speaker 1: movie from the studio if they didn't hire me, and
Speaker 1: I had no experience at all, and because he stood
Speaker 1: by my audition, I was cast. And so over the
Speaker 1: winter break, halfway between filming, he took my mom and
Speaker 1: I to lunch, and I think the look on my
Speaker 1: mom's face when he said, you know, yeah, she could
Speaker 1: actually have a career doing this was like huh, Like, well,
Speaker 1: if Leonardo DiCaprio's saying that my daughter could have a
Speaker 1: career to maybe this could be a thing.
Speaker 2: And they've always believed it.
Speaker 3: How old How old were you here?
Speaker 4: Because of course I see when the day when you
Speaker 4: filmed it, I mean I see the date that it
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 3: How how old were you when you were filming? Third grade?
Speaker 3: So you're like you were ten?
Speaker 2: I was ten and I turned eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We moved to la for a year when I was nine,
Speaker 1: and it was like kind of running out of time.
Speaker 1: I booked Orphan when I was when I was ten,
Speaker 1: we started filming. I turned eleven while we were filming,
Speaker 1: and then came out when I was twelve, which.
Speaker 4: Is now your parents have full time jobs. Now see,
Speaker 4: now there's something that's not quite sinking up here about
Speaker 4: what you say, because they they have full time jobs.
Speaker 3: And I get what you're because see for me, when I.
Speaker 4: Was a wildcat at Westminster, yes, it was exactly what
Speaker 4: you're saying.
Speaker 3: It was a hobby. Like for me it was hot.
Speaker 4: It was at this is a hobby that I'm doing
Speaker 4: these plays and I wasn't in film and television at all,
Speaker 4: Like I'm doing these plays and this is this is
Speaker 4: a hobby. And then for me happened much later, between
Speaker 4: junior and senior year of high school. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a job like that. Much later later for you,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh wait, like oh like building characters
Speaker 4: and like creating. Oh yeah, I could get into this.
Speaker 4: So then I made that decision, which again is still
Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of people and careers at a
Speaker 4: relatively young age. But here's the Okay, you're doing these auditions,
Speaker 4: but your parents do they quit their job? Are they
Speaker 4: working remote? Are they how are you moving to LA
Speaker 4: for a year. They must have known that it was
Speaker 4: at least somewhat serious.
Speaker 1: So my dad and my sister stayed in Atlanta for
Speaker 1: that year. My mom and I went just the two
Speaker 1: of us to LA. My mom at the time, she
Speaker 1: used to be like a war journalist and did you
Speaker 1: know broadcast for CNN in Afghanistan. She was like a
Speaker 1: you know, very series journalist, and then transferred into kind
Speaker 1: of writing travel, lifestyle and celebrity pieces. And because of
Speaker 1: that she was able to come to LA And I
Speaker 1: remember when I was there, she was interviewing like Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian when the show was just coming out, remember Paris Hilton,
Speaker 1: And we got her album before it came out, And
Speaker 1: we're listening to like Stars Are Blind as we were
Speaker 1: driving through Lang auditions, which now is so funny when
Speaker 1: I think about it. She interviewed Jessica Simpson when her
Speaker 1: clothing line launched. Like all of this stuff was happening
Speaker 1: while I was, you know, auditioning.
Speaker 4: All the people that are your friends now, all the
Speaker 4: people that are your friends now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've actually crossed I think I've
Speaker 2: crossed paths with Kim Kardashian once because she's a big
Speaker 2: fan of Orphan, which is really funny. But I haven't
Speaker 2: actually met Paris Hilton or Jessica Simpson since.
Speaker 3: But Paris, Paris is great.
Speaker 1: My mom said that she was one of the smartest
Speaker 1: women that she ever interviewed in coming from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: She had no She was like, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I was like, only expected like what you see of Paris,
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, she is smart.
Speaker 4: Okay, so now this is starting to make more sense.
Speaker 4: So really, your mom used you as an excuse to
Speaker 4: further her career as as an entertainment celebrity writer, using
Speaker 4: you as an excuse to move to.
Speaker 3: La for a year. Yeah, all right, I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: So you book Orphan, this is this is a big deal.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a cute. How do you What
Speaker 4: do you remember about the audition? Did you meet Leah?
Speaker 3: I asked you like seven questions.
Speaker 2: I didn't meet Leo. I didn't meet Leo during the audition.
Speaker 3: I just saw your tape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I remember like the first audition the script.
Speaker 1: First of all, I remember reading it because my mom
Speaker 1: had to black out all the like at words and
Speaker 1: like bad words in it. And I do a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff in the movie, my character. And I remember
Speaker 1: reading that script and there was so much sharpie in it,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't really decay for like what was going
Speaker 1: on in certain parts. And I did my audition. I
Speaker 1: remember my mom and I bought a dress at ross,
Speaker 1: like a frilly, girly dress, and she curled my hair
Speaker 1: and we put like a ribbon around my neck. Because
Speaker 1: the description of the character was so specific, they were
Speaker 1: asking people to dress up and the main descriptor was
Speaker 1: like blonde hair, blue eyes. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: had no shot in hell, but may as well try.
Speaker 1: So dressed up, went for the audition, and I.
Speaker 3: Remember the ribbon in the script too, the.
Speaker 1: Ribbons on the neck. Yeah, the ribbon was very specific.
Speaker 1: They really had like an idea of what they wanted
Speaker 1: and and that'sd all of that up for them, you know.
Speaker 1: But I went in for the audition and I did.
Speaker 1: There were like three scenes. It was like fourteen pages,
Speaker 1: which was a lot when I was nine. I remember
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, when I was ten, Sorry,
Speaker 1: that was like a big amount to be memorizing.
Speaker 3: And did you memorize it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, word for word, every single bit of it.
Speaker 1: And after doing the three scenes, the casting director got
Speaker 1: up and left the room and she came back with
Speaker 1: like two other people, and then we did him again,
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I ever.
Speaker 2: Had that happen in an audition.
Speaker 1: And she called my mom into the room, of which
Speaker 1: they do when you're little. They're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: bring your mother back here, and they said that they
Speaker 1: were going to bring me in for a callback and
Speaker 1: that this was probably going to be a long process
Speaker 1: because it was a big studio movie and I had
Speaker 1: nothing on my resume and all of that.
Speaker 2: So went home.
Speaker 1: Was you know, got the callback, curled my hair, went
Speaker 1: and met with the director Drama, who was still a
Speaker 1: dear friend of mine to this day.
Speaker 2: I laughed so much because I remember after my.
Speaker 1: Audition scene he had me like scream like you know
Speaker 1: horror movie scream, like in the trailer, and we did
Speaker 1: like some kind of like an improv where he had
Speaker 1: me like try and keep the Bible away from him.
Speaker 1: It was so funny, you know things you do like
Speaker 1: I gi'd like, really it would be good.
Speaker 2: For this job. I don't know, and then I went
Speaker 2: home and my mom went on a work trip.
Speaker 1: She was writing about a safari in Africa a little
Speaker 1: far away, and I was with my dad and my
Speaker 1: sister at home and I remember doing my English homework
Speaker 1: when my agent called and said that I booked the
Speaker 1: movie and I then, you know, the best was my
Speaker 1: dad wanted to call my mom and because she was
Speaker 1: out in the middle of in the bush in Africa,
Speaker 1: there's like, you know, they run to her with the
Speaker 1: phone in the middle of nowhere, and she thinks, like
Speaker 1: something horrible happened, because it's like, why would my family
Speaker 1: be reaching out to me in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: on this trip, And it was just really really exciting.
Speaker 1: I just remember being it shocked, but also completely unaware
Speaker 1: of what that meant, like what was yeah, what was
Speaker 1: going to be? And it and it really was probably
Speaker 1: the most rewarding but the hardest working like work I'd
Speaker 1: ever done to that point, and even still to this
Speaker 1: day sometimes I work on movies and I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did I do that?
Speaker 2: When I was ten, I had.
Speaker 1: Dialet coaching, I had stunt training, I had you know,
Speaker 1: like all of these crazy costumes.
Speaker 2: I was the lead in the movie. I was acting
Speaker 2: every single day.
Speaker 1: I was working six days a week, and I was
Speaker 1: doing school and I still to this day don't know
Speaker 1: how I did that. When I was a kid, fuddy,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of help and support.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, so your mom has sharp eyed
Speaker 4: out parts, but you're aware of what the movie is about,
Speaker 4: like you're okay, like from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, My mom actually was really freaked out by the
Speaker 1: fact that I came to her room after I read it,
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, so, what did you think?
Speaker 1: And I said, she just wants someone to love her,
Speaker 1: and my mom's like, that's what.
Speaker 2: You got from? And I think it was because I
Speaker 2: just I just saw this character who was like so
Speaker 2: mangled and animalistic and sad that she was like having
Speaker 2: to go through such lengths to get somebody else to
Speaker 2: love her, and how sad that must be. And maybe
Speaker 2: that's what got me the job.
Speaker 1: Was like this is just very human, childlike response to
Speaker 1: like someone's trauma.
Speaker 4: You know, well, you have you have to be able
Speaker 4: to identify with the characters that you're playing, regardless of
Speaker 4: what they do. Yeah, I mean I think that's I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that's vitally important and likely Yeah, why why
Speaker 4: why you didn't end up getting it? This is like boring,
Speaker 4: stereotypical question time. Now, I'm sure I've been asked this
Speaker 4: a million times, which I'm very sensitive about this.
Speaker 3: But did you have.
Speaker 4: Like what did you play with as a child, Like
Speaker 4: were you into barbies? Were you or was there like
Speaker 4: a darker to you as a kid. I'm not obviously
Speaker 4: you're not the character, but like did that? Were you
Speaker 4: drawn to that?
Speaker 1: All I know is that I loved playing with dolls,
Speaker 1: but primarily my main play like playtime was just my imagination.
Speaker 1: I mean I my mom and my dad always used
Speaker 1: to say that, like they could leave me in a
Speaker 1: room for five hours and know that I could entertain myself,
Speaker 1: which is true.
Speaker 2: I loved to play pretend.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say that I had imaginary friends per se,
Speaker 1: because I don't like not to call out like inside out.
Speaker 2: I didn't have like a big bong for example, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just could like sit in a room and imagine
Speaker 1: scenario and play and talk to myself and all of
Speaker 1: that for hours on end. And I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of been something that I still do to this day
Speaker 1: when I'm preparing for a movie or I'm even writing
Speaker 1: scripts and things like that. Is you know, the ability
Speaker 1: to just kind of sit on your own and imagine
Speaker 1: a completely different world or a different scenario and step
Speaker 1: into like a completely other realm. And I find that
Speaker 1: that has kind of as I've gotten older and I've
Speaker 1: gotten into like meditation is like a sort of spiritual thing,
Speaker 1: you know, where you can like call in different sorts
Speaker 1: of energies and things that don't necessarily exist. And I
Speaker 1: think that's that's something I feel like with every movie,
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of create this person within
Speaker 1: me that kind of takes over for a bit and
Speaker 1: it's not like they are, you know, running around with
Speaker 1: a hammer and and I have killing people every time,
Speaker 1: you know, but like I'll take on certain attributes of
Speaker 1: like a character. I remember when we were doing when
Speaker 1: I was filming Orphan, I painted all the time. I
Speaker 1: was painting constantly, and like when I did, you know,
Speaker 1: the novice, Like I had to row for the movie.
Speaker 1: But I also was like working out like a mad
Speaker 1: woman every single day. Because I think that those things
Speaker 1: kind of anchor you into the character that you're playing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the ability to be alone
Speaker 1: and play play alone has kind of been my biggest
Speaker 1: asset as a as an actor, but also as like
Speaker 1: a person growing up. And maybe that's also, you know,
Speaker 1: an attribute of some serial killers to being able to.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just saying, just here, Brian had
Speaker 2: something for you.
Speaker 4: Well, part of I mean, part of why I ask
Speaker 4: is for me, and you know this is this has
Speaker 4: not been a significant part of my work at all.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, this is very weird. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if I've talked about this before.
Speaker 4: But so when I was a kid, I was obsessed.
Speaker 3: With the villains, all of them.
Speaker 4: And now so at my time and my age weirdly,
Speaker 4: which I'm not going to get like social political on
Speaker 4: this or whatever, most of the time, not even my age,
Speaker 4: because but stuff that came out and that I was
Speaker 4: watching was all women. It was all the bad guy
Speaker 4: was all women. So you like you talk about the
Speaker 4: and I'm not that old, but we're watching like snow White,
Speaker 4: there's the Witch, There's Cruel Deville, there's you know, Maggan,
Speaker 4: there's all these like bad guys, but even the wicked
Speaker 4: Witch in the Wizard of Oz, Like we're watching that
Speaker 4: once a year when it's on TV. For me, the
Speaker 4: reason why, which is fascinating to me that even as
Speaker 4: a child, you were saying this about this character.
Speaker 3: Like for me, those are the characters that are interesting, right,
Speaker 3: So for me it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Really about like horror or being bad or like any
Speaker 4: of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I could see those.
Speaker 4: Characters and they were so much more interesting to me
Speaker 4: than like Prince Charming or whatever, like I don't know,
Speaker 4: like there's just much more going on. There's a backstory
Speaker 4: like how did they get this way? That was always
Speaker 4: just very interesting.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of why I'm drawn to those
Speaker 1: sorts of roles or movies is that I think in general,
Speaker 1: you want to try and find the humanity in people,
Speaker 1: even people that have done horrible things. There's always this
Speaker 1: question of why would they do that? Or how did
Speaker 1: they get to be this way? And I think very
Speaker 1: often in life we actually don't get that answer, And
Speaker 1: in a movie, you have the ability to give an
Speaker 1: audience that answer, which I think is something that's pretty
Speaker 1: cool about a movie is that you can really dive
Speaker 1: into the world of another person and show show a
Speaker 1: different side of someone's terror and why they are that way,
Speaker 1: you know, but not necessarily make them the good guy.
Speaker 2: You know, they're still the bad guy. It's just you
Speaker 2: kind of have a little.
Speaker 1: Bit more of an intrigue and understanding of like who
Speaker 1: they are, and you're more fascinated and intrigued by them
Speaker 1: and the villains gets have so much more fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Were you able to see the movie when it
Speaker 3: came out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1: I I remember my parents covered my eyes during the
Speaker 1: sex scene that for me and Peter sarsgart out.
Speaker 2: That was like the only thing I wasn't allowed to see.
Speaker 1: But I remember going to see the movie in the theater,
Speaker 1: and I saw it at the premiere, and I the
Speaker 1: first time I saw it was actually at a screening
Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers with my parents and my sister, And
Speaker 1: that was really cool because you know, I got to
Speaker 1: go to the lot and where I had the audition
Speaker 1: and sit in the theater and they presented it to
Speaker 1: me and I just I remember seeing the credit and
Speaker 1: my credit at the end and being like, this is
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 2: I made this. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very magical experience for me, and
Speaker 1: I've been really fortunate that that movie as successful as
Speaker 1: it was, and it kind of found this like cult
Speaker 1: following after the fact, and I really feel very thankful
Speaker 1: that as much as it would have been great for
Speaker 1: it to be this like huge number one hit, I
Speaker 1: still got to have a teenagehood and childhood right even
Speaker 1: though to this day, Orphan is still what people recognize
Speaker 1: me for everywhere, Like I will go to the store,
Speaker 1: I'll go to the restaurant or yeah, and I mean
Speaker 1: just even yesterday, I'm in the middle of nowhere in
Speaker 1: Switzerland and I picked up, like I picked up a
Speaker 1: like a takeout order, and the woman's like, are you
Speaker 1: in that movie Orphan? I'm like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna look ten years old forever hopefully.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That is fascinating that they are picking you out now.
Speaker 4: I mean, you did go back and do the prequel.
Speaker 4: You reprised your role prequel. I was gonna say, seql
Speaker 4: and I knew that was wrong. Orphan first kill. How
Speaker 4: was that for you going back playing a role that
Speaker 4: you had played when you were ten And obviously there's
Speaker 4: a lot of exterior factors to you being in a prequel,
Speaker 4: but yeah, go ahead, I mean.
Speaker 2: It was first I was.
Speaker 1: Questioning if it was even possible, And then the entire
Speaker 1: time I was filming the movie, like you know what
Speaker 1: it's like on set, So Julia Stles, who I love
Speaker 1: and adore as a human but also was like obsessed
Speaker 1: with her when I was younger. It's playing my mom,
Speaker 1: and then you know Ross of seven one who plays
Speaker 1: my dad, and we're like in scenes together and they're
Speaker 1: wearing like stripper boots, like giant platform because you can't
Speaker 1: buy them just playing black. No, they're fringe or glitter
Speaker 1: or something like that. And I'm like squatting or I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in this like chair that they made me where
Speaker 1: I'm you know, on like a butt dolly, and I'm
Speaker 1: having like very serious scenes with them, and I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking constantly, this is gonna look either great or this
Speaker 1: is gonna be horrible. Like I'm either gonna look back
Speaker 1: at this movie and it's gonna be like Snakes on
Speaker 1: a Plane where it's so bad, where it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be like no.
Speaker 2: One's gonna buy it. And yeah, I remember the first
Speaker 2: time seeing the movie. I was so scared.
Speaker 1: I was sweating so much when I went to see it,
Speaker 1: and then I was like turned to Alex our producer,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, we did it,
Speaker 1: like it actually actually does make sense. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I felt like there was this sort of magic. So
Speaker 1: many people came back. We worked with a lot of
Speaker 1: the same crew, which was really cool. We used a
Speaker 1: lot of the old you know, original costumes is inspiration.
Speaker 1: And I had the same dialect coach that I had
Speaker 1: when I was ten, which was really cord. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was actually something I really I really thought for
Speaker 1: I was like, we can't do it without Eric because
Speaker 1: he he made that accent and he remembers what I
Speaker 1: sounded like when I was ten. He had all these
Speaker 1: audio recordings of working with me, so I was like,
Speaker 1: we have to have him. And yeah, and every single
Speaker 1: day I just felt like we were we were trying
Speaker 1: to make it, like we were trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if this was gonna work, and and it really was
Speaker 1: like a creative, collaborative process. And when the movie was done,
Speaker 1: I was just really really genuinely proud of us, but
Speaker 1: I was also semi shocked.
Speaker 2: Really, I was like.
Speaker 1: You know what, I was like, I'll do it for
Speaker 1: the fans, but you know, hopefully it was COVID I
Speaker 1: hadn't worked, and like the whole year, I was like,
Speaker 1: if this is the one thing I do, better go
Speaker 1: out in a bang.
Speaker 2: You know this will be it. And it worked.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like, well, look, I mean you're the
Speaker 4: lead of an iconic well now I can say horror franchise.
Speaker 4: It's brought you other opportunities in this realm as well.
Speaker 4: Do you like working in horror? I'm talking about Don't
Speaker 4: let Me Go down a Dark Hall Sell.
Speaker 1: You know it's I do and I don't. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like a combination of both. I like it because
Speaker 1: you get to you get to explore the things that,
Speaker 1: like I said, darker parts of humanity that you don't
Speaker 1: really often see. And I love the characters, Like sometimes
Speaker 1: I find the most interesting characters and movies are written
Speaker 1: in those films.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: About people being like, look, we don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about scaring anybody.
Speaker 2: We could just do whatever the heck we want.
Speaker 1: That, Like, all these characters come out of nowhere that
Speaker 1: are like wild and crazy, and sometimes you see you
Speaker 1: read movies and you're like, this person's just so blah,
Speaker 1: Like they're just kind of you know, you need an
Speaker 1: actor to like come in and create something within that.
Speaker 1: And I love when I read something on a page
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, I know I can make this
Speaker 1: so much better too, Like this could be really fun
Speaker 1: to play with and sink my teeth into.
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny. I don't watch a lot
Speaker 2: horror movies, believe it or not, but I've gotten I
Speaker 2: don't know either, by the way, Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Why don't you.
Speaker 1: I don't really love being scared, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But I love working on them. I really love working
Speaker 1: on them, and I love that. I love the fandom
Speaker 1: of horror films. I actually think horror movie fans are
Speaker 1: unlike any other fan base there is. They they really
Speaker 1: love these movies because they, you know, they experience a
Speaker 1: journey with these characters. And uh yeah, I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I would love to do more horror genre stuff. But
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's a genre that I've explored
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm I'm right now trying to see
Speaker 1: if I can try other avenues and see what other
Speaker 1: you know, what other avenues I can explore.
Speaker 2: I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I did a movie called The Novice that was not
Speaker 1: a horror movie, but it did. It was pretty psychological,
Speaker 1: and that's something I really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like a psychological thriller maybe we would
Speaker 4: call it. Yeah, but a sports movie. You mentioned before
Speaker 4: working out really really hard for that role. Was that
Speaker 4: was that difficult for you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love exercising, and I did that.
Speaker 1: I had run a marathon like marathon before, and then
Speaker 1: I had done an ultra marathon and I actually part
Speaker 1: of I think what helped me get the job is
Speaker 1: I wrote a letter to Lauren, the director who wrote
Speaker 1: the script, who's a dear friend of mine now, but
Speaker 1: I wrote her this note after I sent her the audition,
Speaker 1: which is basically like, you have to hire me because
Speaker 1: not only am I going to do a great job,
Speaker 1: but I have a positive attitude and I know what
Speaker 1: it's like to be exhausted physically. And I sent her
Speaker 1: like pictures from this race. I had done an ultra
Speaker 1: marathon relay race from Santa Monica to Las Vegas with
Speaker 1: my friends was three hundred and forty four miles, and
Speaker 1: so I sent her, Yeah, I sent her pictures of
Speaker 1: myself like literally sweating and crying in tears and then
Speaker 1: smiling and like all of this stuff just to be like,
Speaker 1: look see, we're gonna have a great time together even
Speaker 1: though we're going to be exhausted. And when we talk
Speaker 1: about it to this day, she's like, as much as
Speaker 1: your audition was very impressive, she's like that note was
Speaker 1: exactly the try hard kind of attitude that I wanted
Speaker 1: for that character.
Speaker 2: That is kind of who I am, you know.
Speaker 1: I really just wanted her to know that I was
Speaker 1: I was the best person for the job. And there
Speaker 1: were a lot of moments on set where I think
Speaker 1: it came in handy that we were, you know, in
Speaker 1: the freezing cold and the dam had been opened by
Speaker 1: the by Peterborough, Ontario, and all the boats were floating
Speaker 1: downstream and we're like way behind, and I would just look.
Speaker 2: At Laura and I'd be like, we're gonna be fine,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh wait, I'm like, we're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be totally fine.
Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome. We don't know each other well enough
Speaker 4: for this, but I got a joke for you. How
Speaker 4: do you know if someone's ran a marathon, what they.
Speaker 2: Don't stop talking about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they tell you about it, which in this particular
Speaker 4: situation worked out perfectly for you.
Speaker 3: But I literally don't.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it.
Speaker 3: I just heard that joke yesterday. It just suck. Perfect timing.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: The reason why that's so true, though, is because when
Speaker 1: you're training, for one, you literally are waking.
Speaker 2: Up every day and that's all you do.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's funny, since I don't do that anymore,
Speaker 1: I'm so much more aware of my friends that do that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, was I like that?
Speaker 1: Was I like, you know, I see someone for breakfast
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I woke up at five and.
Speaker 2: Ran six miles and I totally was that person. Which sucks.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it is all right, oh god, sorry Jack, I can't.
Speaker 3: I mean the luck about you're a joke and being
Speaker 3: able to tell the next day to the person who
Speaker 3: said it, it's amazing. All right.
Speaker 1: I'll have that thing where I'll think of a joke
Speaker 1: and I'll write it down and then I'll you know,
Speaker 1: have to save it until I can use it again.
Speaker 2: I'm not as quick on it.
Speaker 3: No, let me tell you something. No, this is not
Speaker 3: this is not a joke. I'm horrible. I'm horrible at it.
Speaker 4: And it's the worst because one I play golf, I'll
Speaker 4: tell you about Yeah, you talk about people who like
Speaker 4: to talk about what they do.
Speaker 3: John, let me let me go, let me go, let
Speaker 3: me go through my eighteen holes. I played today. I'm seventeen.
Speaker 3: I had this shot. It was really weird. I had
Speaker 3: the awkward life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, but that and you know what I
Speaker 4: do for a living.
Speaker 3: People expect me to be a joke teller. They're like, hey,
Speaker 3: give us a joke. I'm not. That's not what I do.
Speaker 3: I don't do.
Speaker 4: That, and I don't and I don't remember them, which
Speaker 4: is why this was just so perfect. I don't remember
Speaker 4: them ever, and so yeah, it's just it's it makes
Speaker 4: things very difficult. So I have actually wrote down jokes
Speaker 4: as well my notes on my phone and I have it,
Speaker 4: and so then I won't tell anyone. I guess I'm
Speaker 4: telling people now. I don't typically tell people at the
Speaker 4: time that I'm like that I write it down because
Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed about it. So like I'll be like, you know,
Speaker 4: they'll ask for a job. I'll be like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'll give me that phone let me look, let me see.
Speaker 3: If I can one that's appropriate. Is this appropriate? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I think this is work anyway.
Speaker 4: All right, well you guess what You've also done non
Speaker 4: horror roles as well. We're going to talk about your
Speaker 4: latest project. But you you were.
Speaker 3: In the Hunger Games.
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, that was really fun.
Speaker 3: Was that was a big That was a big deal.
Speaker 1: Also it was also a massive deal for me because
Speaker 1: I was such a huge fan of the books.
Speaker 3: I remember when were you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a huge fan of the books,
Speaker 1: and I it was really my audition process was so
Speaker 1: confusing because I auditioned and met for Primrose for Catness's
Speaker 1: little Sister, and then I was too old to be Primrose,
Speaker 1: and then they had me auditioned for Catness, but I
Speaker 1: was too young to be Catnus. And I remember, I
Speaker 1: just really think that I was lucky that Debraz and
Speaker 1: the casting director, I think she just liked me and
Speaker 1: she just kind of she's awesome, and she she was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you come in for Clove? And I just
Speaker 1: felt so lucky to be a part of that cast,
Speaker 1: to be a part of that group. I mean, to
Speaker 1: work with Gary, to work with Jen I mean, it
Speaker 1: really was. It felt like summer camp. I was fourteen
Speaker 1: and we were out in North Carolina in the mountains
Speaker 1: with you know, everybody was like, you know, age thirteen
Speaker 1: to nineteen, and I think Jen was nineteen or twenty
Speaker 1: ath time, and we just had so much fun. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like, I honestly, it's really cool that
Speaker 1: that movie, in that whole series is so huge. But
Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan of it that I forget
Speaker 1: very often that I was in the first one because
Speaker 1: I just so loved those movies that in those books.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's really cool to have been.
Speaker 1: A part of that, and I loved working on it.
Speaker 4: Masters of Sex was a show I don't even I
Speaker 4: can't even explain why. I was very very into it,
Speaker 4: And I'll be honest with you right now.
Speaker 3: I thought there was a lot flawed about it. I
Speaker 3: thought there was a lot of stuff that didn't fully
Speaker 3: work about it. But I loved that show and the
Speaker 3: performances in it. This for you kind of your first
Speaker 3: major recurring role on television. Did you enjoy working in television?
Speaker 3: What was that like and how was it different for you?
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think what you learn and
Speaker 1: being on a TV show is if you're not like
Speaker 1: a part of the main cast all the time, like
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen with your character.
Speaker 1: And I think that was you know, I loved being
Speaker 1: a part of the show. I loved working with Lizzie
Speaker 1: and Michael, and I.
Speaker 2: Was lucky to my scenes were with them.
Speaker 1: I felt like every time we went on set, you know,
Speaker 1: you would work with a new director who was so
Speaker 1: great and learn something new, and as you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like I learned a lot from them. I also
Speaker 1: feel like I learned, though, too, that when you're working
Speaker 1: on a show, if you're if you're not like a
Speaker 1: part of the principal cast, you really don't know what
Speaker 1: happens to your character. And I think that was like
Speaker 1: the sad thing that I started to realize is like
Speaker 1: I was kind of I came into the show with
Speaker 1: a specific kind of arc that they had spoken to
Speaker 1: me about and I was really excited with it. And
Speaker 1: I think as the show was evolving, they started to
Speaker 1: change it. And there's nothing you can really do. You
Speaker 1: just you know, go to set and you say your lines,
Speaker 1: and you stand on your mark and you do your thing.
Speaker 1: But I really I loved being a part of that cast,
Speaker 1: and I think it just kind of gave me a
Speaker 1: little bit more of an understanding of like when I
Speaker 1: do a TV show, because I would really love to
Speaker 1: do a TV show. I would love to be a
Speaker 1: part of, you know, what creates the show and telling
Speaker 1: that story with the writers and being able to talk
Speaker 1: to them, because I remember sometimes I would get a
Speaker 1: script and I was like what.
Speaker 2: I was like, she's doing what in this episode? And
Speaker 2: it was just like there's something you can do.
Speaker 1: You're just like, Okay, well, you know at this point
Speaker 1: you just go in and have a good time. But
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the the story of you know,
Speaker 1: the two of them, and how how they you know,
Speaker 1: kind of were in charge of the whole modern sexual revolution.
Speaker 2: I mean that was what really got me into the show.
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the show before I
Speaker 1: got to be a part of it, and Lizzie Kaplan
Speaker 1: is probably one of the funniest people I've ever met
Speaker 1: in my entire life. We had I had one of
Speaker 1: the first scenes I had in the show was like
Speaker 1: the day after my eighteenth birthday with Michael Sheen, and
Speaker 1: I had to like kiss him, and he's like pushing
Speaker 1: me off of him because I'm drunk. And she was
Speaker 1: outside the door when I opened the door to the soundstage,
Speaker 1: spoke a cigarette and she.
Speaker 2: Goes, Happy eighteenth birthday, kid.
Speaker 1: I love Lizzy Chaplin's awesome.
Speaker 4: You start a production company if now, is that what
Speaker 4: you want? You want to develop television? What kind of
Speaker 4: projects do you want to do? I mean movie because you.
Speaker 1: Want to have a hand in it, Peter, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think right now, I'm I'm just kind of getting
Speaker 1: started with, you know, producing projects that I've that I'm
Speaker 1: acting in and my I've written some projects, but I'm
Speaker 1: also developing some things myself as well. And my my
Speaker 1: hope is to kind of create my own sort of
Speaker 1: lucky chap Like Margaret Robbie. I really admire what she's
Speaker 1: been able to do with not only creating projects for herself,
Speaker 1: but producing projects for other people too. You know, I
Speaker 1: really love storytelling. I loved love what I do, and
Speaker 1: I love being around you know, people who have creative
Speaker 1: ideas that are way smarter than me. So I really would,
Speaker 1: you know, hope that in the next couple of years
Speaker 1: I can kind of not only create some of the
Speaker 1: projects that I've written myself, but also help make some
Speaker 1: products for people that I know, friends of mine, people
Speaker 1: that I think are really talented. Scripts that I've read
Speaker 1: that I mean, there's so many scripts. I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: probably read scripts that you loved and then the movie
Speaker 1: never got made and they're still dancing around sometimes. And
Speaker 1: there's you know, a number of them that I've kept
Speaker 1: tabs on because I'm like, this would be an amazing movie.
Speaker 1: And I'm not fifteen anymore, so I can't be in it.
Speaker 1: But I think this would be an amazing movie. And
Speaker 1: and my go for you to make some of those Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if.
Speaker 2: You know that name?
Speaker 1: I came up with a really long time ago, and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, maybe I should change it, But I
Speaker 1: think it's you know, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Is it right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Well, I know, I mean I think it does speak
Speaker 4: to what you just said. What if what what if
Speaker 4: we just make the damn thing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What if we just make the damn thing? Yeah? Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe that's that's the missing ingredient. Ingredient.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean that's what it implies. I think,
Speaker 4: based on how you've explained that, I think that's I
Speaker 4: think that's.
Speaker 3: Great, thank you.
Speaker 1: It was the Isabelle was the you know, but I
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it is the dream, the dream?
Speaker 3: Why did you get that?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I like it? Now I like it better.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what Isabelle Furman?
Speaker 2: I'm glad?
Speaker 3: What if? All right? Yeah? Do we have a do
Speaker 3: we have a logo for what if? You know?
Speaker 1: I probably should ask my sister to do that. She's
Speaker 1: really good at doing those things.
Speaker 3: You can incorporate.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, Yeah, you can incorporate a lot
Speaker 4: of this Isabelle Freman in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can. You can do a lot of things
Speaker 3: with you know what.
Speaker 2: I want to actually do a barbecue collaboration with you,
Speaker 2: because I love barbecue and I love.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware, but you know what
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: I know you do.
Speaker 4: I just held it up. Why you you do you
Speaker 4: make barbecue? Are you like eating it?
Speaker 2: I a first love, love to eat it.
Speaker 1: I also I make very good side dishes for barbecue.
Speaker 1: I make very mac and cheese, I make very good
Speaker 1: corn bread, I make really great desserts.
Speaker 2: What if you know? I just think there's collaboration that
Speaker 2: we could totally make. I really do I.
Speaker 3: Think there is side dishes? Yeah? What if?
Speaker 4: What if we collaborate on this? I think this is no.
Speaker 4: I think this is really this is going to be
Speaker 4: really good. Are you a TikTok star?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I actually I don't have a TikTok. My grandma has
Speaker 2: a TikTok.
Speaker 1: I made a TikTok for my grandma, but that's because
Speaker 1: my my grandmother is probably one of the most flarious
Speaker 1: people I know. And she's eighty two and she reviews alcohol.
Speaker 1: That's that's what she does. She loves she loves to
Speaker 1: enjoy different kinds of wine, and I just record what
Speaker 1: she says about it, and she kind of says the
Speaker 1: same thing about everything, which is kind of awesome, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of cut it together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Does grandma have a big following?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think if I was more dedicated to this I
Speaker 1: would it would probably grow.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: How many followers she has.
Speaker 1: I'm really not so social media savvy in this time
Speaker 1: of social media savviness being important.
Speaker 3: Well, I was.
Speaker 4: I've been told for years to make a TikTok page
Speaker 4: and I finally did. And who knew that people liked barbecue?
Speaker 4: So much on the TikTok. They love barbecue cookbook. Oh,
Speaker 4: they love it on the TikTok. I just posted a
Speaker 4: video this morning that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I feel like I get a lot of recipes from Instagram,
Speaker 1: which are all TikTok videos because I love I love
Speaker 1: to cook. I love food, and I love to eat
Speaker 1: food that I make, especially so it's.
Speaker 3: Like, you do you book mark them the recipes you
Speaker 3: find there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I save all.
Speaker 3: Do you ever go back and make some?
Speaker 1: I do, actually, And you know the best what I
Speaker 1: do is I usually like change and modify things, like
Speaker 1: so good. Right now, I'm in Switzerland and I want
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make like I have this mac and cheese
Speaker 1: recipe I found, but I'm going to change it and
Speaker 1: use the cheeses that they use in fun do here,
Speaker 1: which is greir vast honk, because I think that it
Speaker 1: would be really good. And I also think Swiss people
Speaker 1: are really snobby about their cheese. And when I said
Speaker 1: I was gonna make mac and cheese for our next barbecue,
Speaker 1: my friend said with cheddah. I said, yeah, with cheddar
Speaker 1: cheddar cheese, American cheddar cheese. They were like, oh, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like you know what, fine, I'll use the
Speaker 1: green air, I'll use the local.
Speaker 3: Wait, so you have barbecues in Switzer with people.
Speaker 2: Love a barbecue Switzer. It's very very common here. It's
Speaker 2: you know, what's funny is a lot it's a lot
Speaker 2: of little villages and like the things that I typically
Speaker 2: do and with my friends on the weekend is we'll
Speaker 2: go over to someone's house and will barbecue, and we'll
Speaker 2: just sit in the backyard and drink wine and eat
Speaker 2: barbecue for a long time. It's great.
Speaker 3: Wow, all right, I'm happy to hear that. What to
Speaker 3: you is a.
Speaker 2: Barbecue, What to me is a barbie?
Speaker 4: Like if if someone says, I want you to come over,
Speaker 4: We're going to have a barbecue.
Speaker 3: What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2: If it's at my house?
Speaker 3: No, if someone invites you, what is your expectation.
Speaker 1: My expectation is good classic hits on the radio. Okay,
Speaker 1: the grill going for a long time usually typically typically
Speaker 1: it's like you know, the you know, the gentlemen of
Speaker 1: the group, of the ones usually that are doing the grilling.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is about a grill that
Speaker 2: attracts men, like lots of a plan, you know, like
Speaker 2: all around, you know.
Speaker 4: And we look at it, but what what kind of meat?
Speaker 4: What kind of meats?
Speaker 1: Usually burgers, like you, I usually think the burger meat
Speaker 1: because I really like to fix things around, make it flavorful.
Speaker 1: I don't particularly love a veggie barbecue, but sometimes like
Speaker 1: a good like plant on the barbecue is really good
Speaker 1: with some onions, those.
Speaker 2: Really don't go well. Sausages are always good.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a hot dog person, but I really
Speaker 1: love like, you know, the Mergez sausages or like here
Speaker 1: the they call it so ces devot like veal sausages
Speaker 1: really pop here and really.
Speaker 3: Good yeah, and sounds delicious.
Speaker 1: I love a good grilled steak, like a good big
Speaker 1: yeah steak with the bone. I always eat the bone.
Speaker 1: That's like my I always take the bone. I'm that
Speaker 1: person when I go to a restaurant actually, because it's
Speaker 1: not it's not really appropriate here in Switzerland or in
Speaker 1: Europe to like take the bone and eat it at
Speaker 1: the table. People look at you really funny. So I'll
Speaker 1: usually ask them to wrap it up for the dog.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a dog, and I go home
Speaker 1: and I eat.
Speaker 3: It a lot, eat the bone. There you go.
Speaker 2: It's the best part.
Speaker 4: So I had a person that said to me, this
Speaker 4: was in coming out with this book, that if someone
Speaker 4: asked me to come to their house for a barbecue, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a woman. She said, that means you're doing.
Speaker 3: A whole hog.
Speaker 2: WHA.
Speaker 3: I was like what she.
Speaker 4: Was like, Yeah, barbecue means whole hog. I was like,
Speaker 4: that is a that's a huge expectation to bring to everyone. Now,
Speaker 4: what she's referring to is which I know and have
Speaker 4: learned and discussed in the book. Barbecue is slow cooking. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: so really barbecue all of the things. See, I think
Speaker 4: of a barbecue the way that you think of a barbecue,
Speaker 4: which is like just calm, you're gonna hang out. This
Speaker 4: girl's gonna be going we're gonna be cooking a bunch
Speaker 4: of different things. Barbecue is like it's got to be
Speaker 4: on the fire for like six hours. So that's what
Speaker 4: we're gonna do. What if what if we collaborate, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we make up, we make up. We make a barbecue
Speaker 4: a slow cooked item your choice. Cool, and then you're
Speaker 4: gonna put the sides because we're gonna have plenty of
Speaker 4: time because it's gonna take like six or seven hours,
Speaker 4: put the sides together, and then we're gonna and then yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Then then I'm gonna launch your TikTok
Speaker 4: page and you're gonna be a TikTok star based off
Speaker 4: our one barbecue.
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be amazing.
Speaker 3: What if?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 3: What if? Uh?
Speaker 4: Your newest project so exciting, Horizon and American Saga, the
Speaker 4: newest adventure with Kevin Coosner Western Epic.
Speaker 3: If you will. Were you at Cohn?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was Potato Potato? Did you see this standing ovation
Speaker 4: that happened that everyone talks.
Speaker 1: About was the craziest was My view was like Kevin
Speaker 1: and like all of our cast was on one side
Speaker 1: and his whole family was on the other side and
Speaker 1: watching his kids, his grown up kids cry watching him
Speaker 1: receive that standing ovation.
Speaker 2: I lost my shit. I was like and then you know,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, they're going to take pictures.
Speaker 1: It was leaving and I've been with Scarel running everywhere
Speaker 1: down my face because it was just such an emotional
Speaker 1: moment for him, but for us too. I mean, these
Speaker 1: movies were are so big, and we've read all four scripts.
Speaker 1: We filmed two out of the four of these movies.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been like a huge undertaking. It's
Speaker 1: been a part of his life since the eighties, since before.
Speaker 2: I was born. He's been working on these movies.
Speaker 1: And I think that for him, that applause was more
Speaker 1: like this, you know, kind of culmination of all of
Speaker 1: this hard work that he's had and that he's done.
Speaker 1: To be there and to celebrate the movie in such
Speaker 1: a way was just it was so cool. It was
Speaker 1: like one of those moments that you don't really believe
Speaker 1: is happening in the moment, and then you're like sitting
Speaker 1: afterwards and being like, wait, that was real and.
Speaker 2: That just happened, and that's pretty cool that I was
Speaker 2: a part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that made its way back here to
Speaker 4: the States. That was a very very cool moment to watch.
Speaker 4: So you guys have filmed parts one and two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know that you have a significant part of the
Speaker 4: story in part two.
Speaker 3: When are we releasing it?
Speaker 2: Weird and this film festival for part two next month?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, when is it out for the rest of us?
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I gotta ask, I gotta ask.
Speaker 2: I have no clue, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I do know that we're going September seventh, the movie's
Speaker 1: premiering in Venice Film Festival.
Speaker 2: He's really excited about that.
Speaker 1: I think this movie for him has been a lot
Speaker 1: about like full circle moments with his career, and Can
Speaker 1: was something that he always said he wanted to release
Speaker 1: the first movie in Can because that was a festival
Speaker 1: that always really you know, honored him and took good
Speaker 1: care of him. And he had never been there for
Speaker 1: a movie of his He'd only ever been to the festival,
Speaker 1: and it was just important to him that the movie
Speaker 1: presented there and for Venice. Venice was the first film
Speaker 1: festival that really kind of you know, took a liking
Speaker 1: to his movie Fandango, and that was he was there
Speaker 1: for Silverado doing press when everyone kind of went crazy
Speaker 1: about Fandango, and that was the movie that kind of
Speaker 1: launched his career. And so he's very very proud and
Speaker 1: very emotional as well about the movie going to Venice.
Speaker 1: I think he feels like this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: big full circle moments happening one after the other, and
Speaker 1: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Really proud of them too. I Mean, there's something cool
Speaker 2: about watching.
Speaker 1: Someone that you've looked up to for so many years
Speaker 1: as an actor, as a creator, as a director, and
Speaker 1: watching them like pour so much passion and love into
Speaker 1: something and be such an incredible person to work for,
Speaker 1: and then to see them, you know, celebrate something that
Speaker 1: they made and really feel like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like honored for what work they've put in. And then
Speaker 1: to have seen that behind the scenes, I think really
Speaker 1: just it's emotional for me too, because you know, I
Speaker 1: think we all kind of feel like Kevin's kids working
Speaker 1: on the movie, Like he's got to like dad for
Speaker 1: all of us just want to do them proud every
Speaker 1: day and you know, make sure that you're up to bat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no pun intend there's going to be four.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be four. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so when are you filming the Are you going
Speaker 4: to film the other two back to back as well?
Speaker 1: I think we're going to film them back to back,
Speaker 1: That's the conversation, and probably gonna go next year. I've
Speaker 1: had all four scripts since before that, right before he
Speaker 1: cast me, So I'm really excited. My character spans the
Speaker 1: whole saga, and I start movies one and two as
Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen year old teenager and grow into a
Speaker 1: thirty year old woman, and so there is this you know,
Speaker 1: huge kind of you know change that I get to
Speaker 1: show and kind of like we were talking about with TV,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm like not knowing where my character is
Speaker 1: going to go. I know where my character's going, so
Speaker 1: I get to like plant all these little easter eggs
Speaker 1: throughout parts one and two, and right now, I'm just
Speaker 1: very excited to get back to doing part three. I
Speaker 1: think Parts two and three are really big for my
Speaker 1: character in a huge way. And I'm so honored that
Speaker 1: I get to work with Kevin but also Will Patten
Speaker 1: and Giovanni Ribisi. I get to have scenes with some
Speaker 1: of the most talented actors ever, and it's I just
Speaker 1: really feel really lucky and grateful that he picked me.
Speaker 4: You know what an awesome opportunity. You ride horses, I do.
Speaker 1: I didn't I ride horses until I was you know
Speaker 1: as well as I do now.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a difference. There's a difference between riding
Speaker 2: a horse and like riding a horse like it's a car.
Speaker 1: That was the big thing that our wrangler, Scottie was
Speaker 1: amazing and Anne, who taught me how to drive my wagon,
Speaker 1: they kept reiterating is like, this is your primary means
Speaker 1: of transportation, the same way that you get in your
Speaker 1: car and you like, you know, sit back in the
Speaker 1: seat and you know your rear view mirror and your
Speaker 1: signals and everything. You don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I'm just getting in the car every
Speaker 1: day like I do every day. That's how comfortable you
Speaker 1: have to be on a horse or driving this wagon.
Speaker 2: And that was a really.
Speaker 1: High benchmark to achieve in such a short period of time.
Speaker 1: But now I feel really comfortable on a horse and
Speaker 1: driving a wagon. I mean I could probably drive a wagon,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of miles I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know, on the street.
Speaker 1: You know, the wheels are not exactly super robust. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say. The wheels are like wood and a
Speaker 1: little bit of steel, and they do not handle.
Speaker 2: Like the suspension on those things is not.
Speaker 3: There's not a great suspension.
Speaker 2: Especially in LA.
Speaker 1: You hit one pothole, I feel like that wheel is
Speaker 1: just going to bounce right off, you know, horses a breakout.
Speaker 4: It's actually I love that story that you just told
Speaker 4: about that because that is so much about what we do.
Speaker 4: There's oh, I can ride a horse yeah, or I
Speaker 4: can swing a golf club. We talked about golf or
Speaker 4: or whatever, but like can you do it? Like it's
Speaker 4: what you do. And I think that is that it's
Speaker 4: a very interesting distinction and something that I think would
Speaker 4: be really cool, Like, yeah, there is no car to
Speaker 4: take you home. This is how you're getting home, So
Speaker 4: own it, live it, you know, be there. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's very cool.
Speaker 1: Even to the point where like Kevin legitimately had his
Speaker 1: horse that he rides in the movie at Video Village
Speaker 1: and when he would want to direct us, like we're
Speaker 1: in these massive landscapes in the middle of nowhere in Utah,
Speaker 1: and if you drive a gator across the set, you're
Speaker 1: going to see the tire marks.
Speaker 2: So he would get on his horse and he would
Speaker 2: gallop across the field towards us, and you're just staring
Speaker 2: at Kevin Costner's hair blowing in the wind, galloping across
Speaker 2: the field to tell you what to do, and you're
Speaker 2: just like, gosh, this is crazy, like like he's that
Speaker 2: comfortable up there. This is just what he does, Like.
Speaker 3: He just didn't right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty pretty insane.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of moments where I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is really my life right now, this is really happening.
Speaker 2: Like I've always looked at doing movies.
Speaker 1: And since I was a kid, is like playing pretend
Speaker 1: with a bunch of adults who are just like, you know,
Speaker 1: joining in on my delusion and you know, appreciate it
Speaker 1: as well and like to co create this like imaginary
Speaker 1: world in landscape. But I still to this day cannot
Speaker 1: believe like the people I've gotten to work with, the
Speaker 1: places I've gotten to go with this job, and just
Speaker 1: how much fun it is, Like truly.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. Congratulations on Horizon. I can't wait to
Speaker 4: see part two whenever you decide to give it to us.
Speaker 4: And good luck with three and four. And uh yeah,
Speaker 4: we got a collaboration. We gotta we gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1: We've got a barbecue just like it's just like what
Speaker 1: you do, you know, six hours.
Speaker 3: Just like what you do?
Speaker 4: I mean, how long are you in Europe? I don't
Speaker 4: know if I can do this in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: This is honestly, the metia is incredible and the cheese
Speaker 1: is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: Well maybe so then.
Speaker 2: I'll be back in the US.
Speaker 1: In September after Venice. All right, so it's totally possible,
Speaker 1: be I mean, I will say sw cows.
Speaker 2: There's there is something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like appropriate for the podcast,
Speaker 1: because it's when we barbecue you at my friend's place.
Speaker 2: One of my friend's parents every year.
Speaker 1: Buys buys half of a cow because it's cheaper than
Speaker 1: buying yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3: So that's what you do in Nebraska here.
Speaker 1: And when it's really good, we're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is amazing and he's like it's margerite and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no.
Speaker 3: No, oh, no, delicious.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you can't say that though in the
Speaker 1: US people people get really touching out in the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, there's it's a little different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, congratulations on Venice, good luck, have a great time.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of water there. I'm just gonna warn you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear, I hear, maybe sinking my I went
Speaker 1: to Venice as a kid, and my only other memory
Speaker 1: of Venice is standing in the square with my arms
Speaker 1: stretched wide with food on my arms so that way
Speaker 1: all these pigeons could like it on me.
Speaker 2: And now I look back at your memory with such.
Speaker 3: Like God, oh no, because.
Speaker 2: A kid, it's so cool, But when you grow up
Speaker 2: you're like.
Speaker 4: Who seriously, seriously, seriously, I have one favor to ask
Speaker 4: of you. Would you please recreate this photo? Would you
Speaker 4: please recreate this photo? It has to be recreated side
Speaker 4: by listen as a TikTok try to make you a
Speaker 4: TikTok star.
Speaker 3: You have to recreate this photo.
Speaker 1: I think it would be best done if I could
Speaker 1: somehow do it in my dress that I'm wearing the premiere.
Speaker 1: That would be iconic.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would make me TikTok famous. If I you
Speaker 2: sit premiere?
Speaker 3: What time is the premiere?
Speaker 1: I actually all I know is we get there by boat.
Speaker 1: I know that because because there's a lot of water.
Speaker 3: In ves Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard there's a lot of water. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of water in Venice. Congratulations on not just
Speaker 4: the movie, but the series, the saga.
Speaker 3: That's what we're.
Speaker 2: Calling it, the American Saga.
Speaker 3: Congratulations. It was so nice talking to you.
Speaker 2: It was great chatting with you too. It's really good
Speaker 2: to beat you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Isabelle. It was so nice getting to know you.
Speaker 4: Let's barbecue when you're back in the US of a
Speaker 4: Let's Barbecue. I look forward to our collaboration What If
Speaker 4: Horizon and American Saga Part one is out. Now go
Speaker 4: check it out, and then also come back next week
Speaker 4: and check this out another episode of Off the Beat.
Speaker 4: Until then, everybody, have a great week. Off the Beat
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