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Speaker 2: But is he a black German? He actually grew up.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Germany too, I'm not German? Hold

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Speaker 3: His last name is shrewder? Is he he's got the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do a big, big, big compell me to win.

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Speaker 4: I do him big, big, big, singing a kid. I

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Speaker 2: I do a big.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do a big, big big say it again,

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 3: What is good? How you living, how you're feeling, how

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Speaker 3: you're doing it? As a playoff version of the Big

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Speaker 3: Podcast where Shack we always do it big. Thank you sir,

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Speaker 3: it is left going. We are joined by a very

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Speaker 3: special guest today, Shack. As always, I will ask for permission.

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Speaker 3: Can I do the intro with the voice?

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Speaker 2: Please? Yes? Okay?

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Speaker 3: One of the greatest power forwards of all time. This

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Speaker 3: man's shot was always pure. If you tried to contest it,

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Speaker 3: his raised knee would put you in the floor. A champion,

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Speaker 3: He's one of the main reasons we've got so many

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Speaker 3: euros here playing ball. He's got one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: more points than will nearly three thousand more than Shack.

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Speaker 3: And when it comes to the city of Dallas, he

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Speaker 3: The Wizard of Warsburg, Germany, the Berlin Tall Dirk Novitski.

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Speaker 2: Now, now hold on, let me give that intro in German.

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Speaker 2: But I can see Hell brought worst friends worst Alvita saying,

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Speaker 2: choose Novitskid. Let's go on, Dirk, How you doing having me? Guys? Dirk?

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to ask you this question twenty one years?

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Speaker 2: What was it about Dallas that made you play all

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Speaker 2: twenty one years? Because you know it was sometimes when you, guys,

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Speaker 2: weren't really that good and then you know you emerged to,

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Speaker 2: in the two thousand and six five, but you came back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what made you want to stay in Dallas? Twenty one years.

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Speaker 1: No, it was just at the beginning, I didn't really

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Speaker 1: having a great relationship with Mark, and I just sort

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Speaker 1: and so there were some tough years early and then

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Speaker 1: We had unbelievable you know, ten years of fifty plus wins.

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Speaker 1: That was a heck of a run. But I always say,

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Speaker 1: you know. And the franchise definitely had some tough years

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see the franchise through. And you know,

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Speaker 1: then we drafted your Boy Luca my last year and.

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Speaker 1: So you know that was that was the turning point

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about that first. So, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Was there something about Luca being there that you like? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, before camp, he got there a few

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Speaker 2: So that was really my first Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this kid is built different and he is built

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Speaker 2: The confidence about him. But like I said, I.

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Speaker 2: About five years ago, I went to my first euro

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting I'm like, this is nothing compared to our game.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's been playing against grown men since probably

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Speaker 1: And he's basically everything you throw at him, every coverage,

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Speaker 3: I'm curious about this. One thing I love about Shaq

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Speaker 2: And I looked it up.

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Speaker 3: So Shaq was that wild flecking with Germany. And I

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Speaker 3: You fifty three minute drive up the A seven, so

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Speaker 2: I remember, I remember when I when we well, like

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Speaker 2: Damn here. But I remember the first time I spoke

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Speaker 2: I get a lot of flack for that. I judge

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I think he could. I mean, you've seen

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Speaker 2: You know the. Words you better make some poking decisions

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Speaker 2: okay not being brocket do super calif got to. GO i, Know,

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Speaker 2: yeah those are the good old. Days how?

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Speaker 3: Old how old were you when you were listening to? That,

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Speaker 1: WAS i graduated high school in ninety. Seven So, shaq

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Speaker 1: when did you get in the. League, yeah so basically

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Speaker 1: Fan Got shaq's thirty Two Orlando jersey pinstripes.

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Speaker 2: Hanging in the, house so, YEAH i. WAS i was

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Speaker 1: THERE i LOVED i loved how they played and you,

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Speaker 3: Shack i'm realizing now here you have young, dirt grown,

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Speaker 2: Boys you know, WHAT i didn't. KNOW i didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Boys, yeah, no They're they're, great and you, know because of. Them,

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Speaker 1: so that was big thanks to. Them, Obviously franz The

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Speaker 2: Germany is He? German? Germany his last name Is?

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Speaker 3: Shrewder is he he's got the dots over the?

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Speaker 2: No is He? African and then placed In? Germany is he?

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Speaker 2: Born he was born In? Germany and, yeah so he's

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Speaker 2: to know which mass player other Than luca o'kyrie has

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Speaker 1: Run in your, Opinion, WELL i think who is at

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Speaker 1: WASHINGTON i think that that deal really put us over the.

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Speaker 1: Guys he's he can make a. Shot he brings, toughness

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Speaker 1: funn and he's here From. Dallas you, know he grew

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Speaker 2: Team this episode Of The Big podcast With shack is

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Speaker 2: brought to you By The. General you, Know shack loves The.

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Speaker 3: GENERAL i can Ask dirk, something uh AND i Need

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Speaker 3: shack to kind of weigh on it. FIRST i remember

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Speaker 3: WHEN i first Met shaq my now my fiance was.

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Speaker 2: There it's my. Wife, Now i'm not shock right, Now

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Speaker 2: I'm dark. Now SO i said my name, Right? Dark Perfect?

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Speaker 2: Dark what do you think of his?

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Speaker 3: Nickname? Dark novitzky.

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Speaker 1: Laughing WHEN i saw that a while? Ago AND i

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Speaker 1: Think i'm THE NBA Tv so many people send me That.

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Speaker 3: DARK i remember the first time you met my, Wife.

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Speaker 3: Dirk my wife Is nigerian And shaq looked at me

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Speaker 3: and he was, like, oh, okay AND i have heard

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Speaker 3: SHAQ i a you first when you heard That dirk's

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Speaker 3: And i'm, Curious, dirk how did the rest of the

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Speaker 3: completely different when they find that information.

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Speaker 2: OUT i found out accidentally AND i don't know If

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Speaker 2: dirk knows, this but we all leave the same. Way

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Speaker 2: so one day it was just gorgeous person standing back.

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Speaker 2: THERE i was, like, oh it was like That's DIRK'S

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Speaker 2: i was, like, oh, okay. Bad but after, THAT i

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Speaker 2: CHOCOLATE i knew that he likes see chocolate. Bos, YES

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Speaker 2: i knew that it was.

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Speaker 1: GOOD i was getting over punch because you, know every

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Speaker 1: on social, MEDIA i mean the. COOKOUT i was invited

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Speaker 3: Media wait WITH jrk what was on that? Plate what

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Speaker 1: Statements it wasn't even. FANCY i was JUST i wouldn't

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Speaker 1: to make sure back in The. Dame when you're in

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Speaker 1: of your body so you, can you, know you, know

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Speaker 1: keep up with the young, boys and SO i just

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Speaker 1: wanted to know exactly what was in my. Food you,

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Speaker 1: know of course we had catered. Food and stuff after the.

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Speaker 1: Games but it was usually restaurant, food AND i didn't

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Speaker 1: know was it a lot of butter in?

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Speaker 2: It was? It what was it made?

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Speaker 1: In and and SO i just wanted to know exactly

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Speaker 1: what the what the ingredients wasn't, Oxtail it wasn't anything super.

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Speaker 1: Fancy it was usually just a piece of fish or you,

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Speaker 1: know some. Vegetables and BUT i.

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Speaker 2: Knew how it was. Prepared, yeah it. Wasn't it wasn't anything.

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Speaker 2: Fancy so you always heard these people the Next, joor

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Speaker 2: the Next, check the Next, lebron Next. Kobe who's the Next?

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Speaker 2: DIRK i want to hear it from the original, dirt

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Speaker 2: who is the Next? Dirk?

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Speaker 1: Well, there you, know there's a lot of guys out

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Speaker 1: there now that's that can spread the floor and. SHOOT

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Speaker 1: i mean we were both part of this change where you,

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Speaker 1: know early in late nineties two, thousands still a lot

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Speaker 1: years you, know everybody started. Shooting they started putting some

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Speaker 1: different rules in and just now the skill level of the,

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Speaker 1: bigs it's just it's been incredible to watch how now

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Speaker 1: everybody could. Shoot now they initiate the, offense they bring

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Speaker 1: the ball, up play through the bigs at the high,

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Speaker 1: post and, SO i mean the skill level of the

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Speaker 1: that's been it's been fun to. Watch I'm i'm not

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Speaker 1: quite sure WHO i guess the Next durk, is BUT i,

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Speaker 2: Now AND i knew you were going to say. THAT

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Speaker 2: i knew you were going to say. THAT i played

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Speaker 2: You tim AND kg for all and sabonas for all

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Speaker 2: the stuff that we're going through THAT i used to

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Speaker 2: hate to try to guard you guys on that picking. Problem,

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Speaker 2: Shit oh, man we used to try. Everything, Hey i'll never.

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Speaker 1: FORGET i think it was my second year or, something

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Speaker 1: And nelly came in and was, like we're going to

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Speaker 1: try to Guard shack a little different. Today and he

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Speaker 1: looked at, Me he's, like you're Guarding Shack AND i was,

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Speaker 1: like what are you? TALKING i thought he was. Joking

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Speaker 1: so he's, like, no as soon As shack crosses half,

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Speaker 1: soon as they throw the ball, over he Comes Sean,

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Speaker 1: bradley and then, well you guys trap.

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Speaker 2: Him it'll be. Fine he's going to pass the ball.

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Speaker 1: Up the first time the ball goes over my, HEAD

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Speaker 1: i turned, around he Elbowed sean out of the. Way

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Speaker 1: he elbowed me out of the, way and dunked it so.

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Speaker 2: Hard that strategy was it did not.

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Speaker 1: Work so we obviously we couldn't Match shack's, physicality so

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Speaker 1: Death BUT i mean there was anything really we. Tried

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Speaker 1: it didn't. Work we had to.

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Speaker 2: Do we couldn't out physical, him so that was for.

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Speaker 3: Sure Sean, Bradley oh my, Goodness.

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Speaker 1: Bradley, yeah we had we had a squad there in

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Speaker 2: Thousands all, right you, KNOW i gotta ask you one

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Speaker 2: more silly, question Surerk dirk and his prime And luca

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Speaker 2: one on one for one hundred Million german. Mocks forgive,

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Speaker 2: me you, KNOW i does it make? It take?

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Speaker 1: It BECAUSE i think neither one of us could get a.

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Speaker 1: Stop who's who's got the ball?

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Speaker 2: First?

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Speaker 3: YOU i got the ball?

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Speaker 1: First it's gonna be. TOUGH i, MEAN i know for

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Speaker 1: a fact THAT i would have a hard time guard.

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Speaker 1: THEM i, mean he's got the whole. Package LIKE i mentioned,

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Speaker 1: earlier he can drive me both. Ways he's got to step.

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Speaker 1: Back BUT i do know in my prime he would

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Speaker 1: that's a match up with a lot of buckets and

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Speaker 2: Stops you, know it's crazy and Watching lucas game Because

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Speaker 2: i've been sitting on the flooria his scope of game

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Speaker 2: and as a, fan forget check the basketball. Player his

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Speaker 2: shot looks like it's easy to. Block but it's not Like.

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Speaker 2: Adam he's out, there he's not, fast he's not. Slow

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Speaker 2: he's just going doom to do when he gets to

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Speaker 2: the turnaround. Way but like it just, Yeah dirk was like.

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Speaker 2: THAT i Think bird was like. That you know us like.

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Speaker 2: That Chris moman was like, that played at his own

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Speaker 2: face that you can never get. It he's, Incredible yeah he.

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Speaker 1: Is he's so big and physical he bumps you off

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Speaker 1: and then you know and he's really he's actually not super.

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Speaker 1: Fast end to, end but he's super quick changing. Directions

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Speaker 1: so you, know he got you leaning one, way he

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Speaker 1: some point he's got you a little off balance and

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00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: then he steps back and then you Can't you just

432
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: can't recover fast. Enough so's he's really quick changing, directions engined,

433
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: speeds and then he hits you with a step, back

434
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: and then he's almost always. Open and even if you contest,

435
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: IT i, mean he just doesn't really see you as.

436
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: Big he's, tall you can shoot over. You so half

437
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: of the contests he doesn't even. See he's still going

438
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 1: to make.

439
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: Those, Man he's.

440
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 3: Tough Dirk shack AND i have talked about this a few,

441
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: times And i'm Curious shack can do his sales pitch

442
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: if you. Want should there be two pro Basketball hall Of?

443
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: Fames should there be The hall of the baddest mfors

444
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: That i've ever played and The hall of the people

445
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: that fit the criteria that they should be? There And,

446
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: shaq if you want to flesh this out, more.

447
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: You can please lush it. Out what do you? Mean

448
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: which you? Mean, Okay, dirk you were a bad, motherfucker

449
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: so you have that. Classification some of these people that

450
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: they're putting. IN i don't, Know LIKE i don't want

451
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: to make this a, thing AND i know my people

452
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: from playmakers gonna make it o. Pain kimbe has Four

453
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: Defensive players of The year he's. In Ben wallace has

454
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: for Defensive players of The year he's. In Rudy gobert

455
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: just got his For so is he A hall Of

456
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: fame right? Now i'm just asking, him not trying to be,

457
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: FUNNY i just because you, know as any time it

458
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: said to, me he said that there should be. Too

459
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: it's a bad mother effort that you're. IN i, mean of,

460
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: course and then there's a you, know because you know

461
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: some some some analytical. Guy it's not THE Nba hall Of,

462
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: fame it's The Basketball hall Of, fame whatever that. Means

463
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: so do you think it should be two Two hall Of?

464
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: FAMES i mean that's a tough one to pull. Off,

465
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: yeah nice about.

466
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: It just say SOMETIMES i don't quite understand the, criteria

467
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: and you know who, Votes they always make it a

468
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: big secret on so we don't really know what what

469
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: is the real criteria to get it? In and is

470
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: it just, okay now you're in a class that might

471
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: not be as good are you then getting in because

472
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: there's nobody else it's it's there's no real transparency. THERE

473
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: i think that's at, TIMES i think a little bit

474
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: frustrating for for everybody because really nobody knows what the

475
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: criteria really. Is but SO i Think i'm gonna leave

476
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: it at.

477
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: That so Smart, Shack was there any more things you

478
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: want to say about?

479
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: THAT i JUST i think we heard. It The Big

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485
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,040
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486
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: streams behind the scenes, Content join the. Family see you,

487
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: There Passes. BABY i want to give my condoless To Luke.

488
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: WALTON i said last night that me and his father

489
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: didn't have a great relationship to be one of those

490
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: guys that we had a respectable, relationship and what he

491
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: was trying to do was get me through the big

492
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: man rights of, passage AND i admitted last night that

493
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: our relationship wasn't as good BECAUSE i probably was a little.

494
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: Sensitive you, know a lot criticized a lot boom boom.

495
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: Boom but one day WHEN i was getting ready to,

496
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: EXPLODE i just told my, mom next TIME i See

497
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: Bill walton or somebody that said something about, me to

498
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: punch him in his. Face my mother says to, me

499
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: before you go off when people are, criticizing you see

500
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: if there is any truth inside the. Criticism so AFTER

501
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: i learned to take what these legends were saying about

502
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: me and put it all, together it just formed that

503
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: shock that got all of those. Championships so you, know

504
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: we saw each other last year at The final. Four we.

505
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: Hugged we've got our, differences BUT i didn't want to

506
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: be one of those guys on the. End, oh because

507
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: people know our relationship was up and. DOWN i thought

508
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: about it last, night was, like why was it up and?

509
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: Down probably BECAUSE i was, Sensitive and that's What i'm.

510
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: Doing all these big guys, Now i'm trying to put them,

511
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: through you, know the rights of, Passage Like. Dirk they

512
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: tried to make a big thing out of it with

513
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago with me And, joker And

514
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: joker is my favorite big. Man he's my favorite. Player

515
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: BUT i told, HIM i, Said, Joker i'm telling you

516
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: now because IF i say it ON, tnt by the

517
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: time it gets back to, you it's gonna be, LIKE

518
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: i don't like, you BUT i love, You. Joker But

519
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 2: i'm SAYING i think they should have went TO, sga

520
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: and they tried to make it a big oh shocks

521
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: jealous A, joker and you, KNOW i was, like, NO

522
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: i just wanted to be a man and tell you

523
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: face place you my, Guy BUT i THINK sga should

524
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: have got it this. Year SO i just wanted to

525
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: say that on my podcast THAT i send my condozers

526
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: up To luke and his. FAMILY i talked To. Luke

527
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: bill was tough on. ME i appreciate. IT i loved,

528
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: it AND i respect. It and he's definitely gonna be Missing.

529
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: Shack you've you've stay shared those stories before About kareem

530
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: and and guys like, That. Dirk did you have former

531
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: players and all that that were criticizing you earlier in

532
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: your career that gave you extra?

533
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: Motivation, well you know it was hard for me my first.

534
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Year you, know back in the days there were not

535
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: that Many europeans. Around and you, know every TIME i

536
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: was guarding somebody front you opposing, bench.

537
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: They were go at him his SOFT i MEAN i

538
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 3: heard all.

539
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: THAT i heard all, that and it's just but that's

540
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: part of.

541
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: It you.

542
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Know you have to you have to kind of learn

543
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: how to hold your own and get you, know draw

544
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: motivation out of the out the naysayers and.

545
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Doubters and ALL i want to do is just keep.

546
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Working every, SUMMER i try to add, something get, better

547
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: get get a little. Stronger uh so you can hold

548
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: my own a little bit and readbound a little.

549
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: Better and just uh that's WHAT i try to, do

550
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: is always just just. Better but there were there was

551
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: guys that would go at me all the. TIME i

552
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: MEAN kg WAS kg was one of. Them he was.

553
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: WILD i mean he would SOMETIMES i would get out of,

554
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: huddle he would already pick me up out of the

555
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: huddle and. Follow he knows and knows EVERYWHERE i, went

556
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: and he was he was hard on me early. On

557
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: he tried to go at me all the. Time and

558
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: we even had battles later in our careers when we

559
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: played against other for a decade plus and we still

560
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: he still had that, intensity and so he was one

561
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: guy that always drive me and motivated.

562
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Me two follow ups to, that BECAUSE kg literally makes

563
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: me laugh every TIME i see clips of him yelling at.

564
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: People Number, one do you remember any of the reckless

565
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: shit that he said to? You, like is there one

566
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: that still makes you laugh that he said it to?

567
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: You, NO i mean it was a lot about you

568
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: soft and this and. That so that's that's WHAT i.

569
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: Remember and then BUT i don't really want the. Specific

570
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of, like you, know you go in one

571
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: ear one out of here and you just yes the.

572
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: Other the other question was do you remember when you

573
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: earned his respect and he gave you THAT kg like

574
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: head nod where instead of like thinking you're, soft he, realized,

575
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: Oh i'm going to be battling this guy for a.

576
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: DECADE i think it well WHEN i was my First

577
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: All star, game and that WAS i think my third

578
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: or fourth maybe fourth. Year now back in The west

579
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: in The All star my First All. Star i'm in

580
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: The West shacks in, There kobe's in, THERE, Kg Tim.

581
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Duncan i'm, Like i'm literally walking. Around this is the

582
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: coolest Thing i've ever. Seen so me And Steve nash

583
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: obviously who played with. Me we got to be first

584
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: Time All stars, together and so to go through that

585
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: with with my one of my best friends Was i'll

586
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: never forget my First All. Star and THEN i THINK

587
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: kg respected me a little more after that and we

588
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: had some good discussions and around The allstar, game he's completely.

589
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Different he's.

590
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Fun you, know he talked to him and he also

591
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: in the locker room he's joking the whole. TIME i

592
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: did not know he was like this because when you

593
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: see him in the regular, SEASON i mean he's all

594
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: business and all hard and all wants to just lb

595
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: you the whole time. Down but in THE alsar game

596
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: and he's such a fun. GUY i mean he's joking

597
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: around all. Time so that one surprised me a. Bit

598
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: BUT i would say after my First All star, GAME

599
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: i WAS i THINK i was accepted a little.

600
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: More which lay was past or? Present would you have

601
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: liked to have played with before you?

602
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Retired, Well i'm the Biggest Michael jordan. Guy that was

603
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: my that was my hero growing up in the. NINETIES

604
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: i MEAN i would have loved to obviously play. With

605
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: and then funny thing, is you know when he Made

606
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: game six in in uh the shot to win the

607
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: sixth title In. Utah he retired the following, year and

608
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: that next year was my first, year SO i didn't

609
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: get a chance to SEE mj In. Chicago and then

610
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: of course he came back a few years later with

611
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: with The, wizards which was still, amazing great, experience but

612
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: of course it wasn't THE mj of The bulls. Anymore

613
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: so he'd be my. One AND i always, say of,

614
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: course uh, shack a, dominant big guy like, THAT i

615
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: think you would. Have you would have helped me get

616
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of looks from the, outside you, know as

617
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: as you, KNOW i was a Big kobe fan as.

618
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: Well you, KNOW i think you know that those are

619
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: the sort of top. Players.

620
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Kobe it was the closest thing to me the M.

621
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: J you know how he how his kill instinct.

622
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Is, athleticism is this confidence level on the, COURT i

623
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: mean his skill. Level it was just he was to,

624
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: me it was the closest thing we've ever, seen the M.

625
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: J so someone's obviously some of the these are some

626
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: of the all time. Greats SO i would love to play.

627
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: WITH i trust. ME i tried to get To dallas many.

628
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: Times me And mark was working behind the, scenes but

629
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: like right, up, yeah, yeah like right uf L. A

630
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: mark was the first PERSON i, called But, mark SO

631
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: i ended up it never.

632
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Worked, YEAH i remember there were a few rumblings around

633
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: at the, time and then and then you obviously went

634
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: To miami and then you got to beat us In

635
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: all six so that was that was a tough whatever.

636
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: You gotta do to get me, there and he's, like

637
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: The lake won't do. It. MAN i was, like fucking

638
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: make him do, It, mark and they wouldn't do. It

639
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: but that would have been nice BECAUSE i Love, dallas

640
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: as you, know two houses, Here, yeah.

641
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: What the hell Would dirk And shack been, Like, shack

642
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: that would be crazy.

643
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Twenty More, Dirk i'm mad at. YOU i would have

644
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: been a decent comb what. HAPPENED i didn't know you

645
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: fucking passed me up Until adam told me one. Day

646
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: he's like and he's, like, hey your, Boy dirk's about to.

647
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: PASS i was, Like, dirk Who he's, LIKE i was,

648
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: like and THEN i went. BACK i was, Like, god,

649
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 2: damn are you shooting at motherfucker like? That because now

650
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: because Now i'm what number nine around, There, Yeah i'm

651
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: gonna be a fucking, BUM i don't believe. It, Yeah

652
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: i'm gonna be at the.

653
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: TOP i played a long. TIME i kept EVEN i

654
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: kept hooisting those. Jumpers, hey and if you shoot, threes

655
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: that is a point every. Time more, So, yeah that does.

656
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Help that does.

657
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: HELP i have Heard chuck tell the story of them

658
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: facing you when you were like eighteen nineteen and like

659
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: you're tearing Up Scottie pippen and then they come to

660
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: you and they're, like who the hell are? You And you're, like,

661
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: LISTEN i gotta go serve in the. Army did you

662
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: really think you were about to go serve in the? Army,

663
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: like was that like a real?

664
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Possibility SO i actually did it was it was mandatory

665
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: In germany for a. While so when that team came

666
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: over To, GERMANY i was actually in the, army and

667
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: SO i did two months of regular basic training where

668
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: this was like a couple of months before that those,

669
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: games and then for like six seven MONTHS i was

670
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: in a thing called a sports company WHERE i could

671
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: train then full. TIME i could train in the, morning

672
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: train the evening and just that's really WHEN i started being.

673
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Professional but at the time was still in the army

674
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: and so were there were These nike organized these, games

675
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: AND i was able to get free from the from

676
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the sports company and go for these two. Games And

677
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: i've Heard charles tell the story a million times against

678
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: a million times with His auburn and WHICH i would

679
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: have never gone To auburn of, course.

680
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: Uh and the.

681
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Choice the story changes a few times over the. YEARS

682
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: i think one TIME i had fifty at. Halftime OBVIOUSLY

683
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: i didn't even have that, many but it was it

684
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: was fun to to to basically compete against some of my.

685
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: HEROES i, mean they had a great team there and

686
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was super fun for us and

687
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: a huge, honor not knowing that basically a year LATER

688
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: i would.

689
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: Be in the n B. A i MEAN i had

690
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: no idea what was going to happen like.

691
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: That, yeah the punchline Of, dirk you're seven feet, tall

692
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: you're not going to be in the, army you can't

693
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: hide is.

694
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: Always good for, Sure, yes that's always the.

695
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: Hit what would you have done if you had to

696
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: go to? Combat like what would have been your? Specialty you?

697
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: KNOW i was The secrets Of Deamine, army The German.

698
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Army it was a GOOD i THINK i WAS i

699
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really on the front line kind of.

700
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: GUY i think what WE i don't think so.

701
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: Well we were training was more in the, back coming

702
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: in and you, know serving and replacement off machines and

703
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: stuff like. That, that's, uh that's WHAT i was trained to.

704
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Do but we still had to learn how to march

705
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: and you, know shoot a, gun clean your, gun take

706
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: your gun. APART i mean we do all that in

707
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: basic training and, uh and then for the other eight

708
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: MONTHS i WAS i was able to train like a

709
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: like a true professional.

710
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: Man just imagine like that wall climb and everyone's trying

711
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: to climb up and you just like grab the top

712
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: and lift yourself AND i just think train there'd be

713
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: moments of training that'd be.

714
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Hilarious. Uh last, question do your children know who you?

715
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: Are my children don't know who Are, WELL i guess

716
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: a little. Bit they. UNDERSTAND i mean they were young

717
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: when WHEN i, retired and so do They, No but

718
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: do they ask you about basketball? STUFF i mean they

719
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: understand THAT i.

720
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Played they understand THAT i, played but they're not REALLY

721
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: i think everybody else was always. BETTER i guess they

722
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: saw me at the end WHEN i could barely move

723
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: and now you KNOW i have some ankle, issues So

724
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: i'm hobbling. Around they're, Like, paba you're way too. Slow

725
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: you never really played in THE. Nba so THEN i

726
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: pull up a couple of YouTube clips and they're so.

727
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: Grainy back in the, days the footage was so, awful

728
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really help my. Case so maybe one

729
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: day they understand a little.

730
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: More Because i'm still getting bills for trainers And i'm,

731
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: like this guy played in THE. Nba, no he didn't,

732
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: play but but he's what MOTHERFUCKER i played in THE

733
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: nba thirty. Years but, okay, whatever whatever you, need, son that's, funny.

734
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: Dirt last, question who was the Biggest Shia dounkov in THE.

735
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Nba, hey, LISTEN i played with twenty twenty one.

736
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: Years there were some some dub cop UH i THINK

737
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: i have.

738
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: Honestly in, TOTAL i had about two hundred teammates in

739
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: my twenty one years and they.

740
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: Were, yeah, OKAY i can't tell you what that main.

741
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: Left go look it. Up all, Right i'll be that

742
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: saying juice ish libby di je jeue so.

743
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: FUN i appreciate, it, alright love, you, buddy congrats on.

744
00:38:35,840 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: Everything thank, you. Guys let's do it. Again do, yeah mmh.

745
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: Mh I'm Dark. Newhitzky SO i said my name, Right

746
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: Got Dark newitsky