WEBVTT - Ep. 335: Long Beard 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast, coming at you, shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.640 severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening uncast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.360 You can't predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.920 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:35.879 for every hunt, first Light, go farther, stay longer. All right, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:37.720 but I'm gonna I'm gonna set the scene for you. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:44.040 We're in um hotel in Albuquerque, Chester Dirt and Rick 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:49.680 her own bed together, pretty nice. Carl's in his own bed. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.280 I gotta bed to myself. It's weird that, like, you 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.880 got your own bed, but then there's three of them 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.120 in that bed. I might still be smelling bad man. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.360 That could have something to do with it. Seth, Is 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.160 that that that that's car? That's that's a seemed frequent guest, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.880 Carl Malcolm. Seth is sitting on a little you call 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.479 that thing now ottoman. Yeah, using the bed as a desk. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.960 And I'm one of those little hotel desks, which I 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.920 can't bring myself to use generally. This is something kind 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.959 of depressing about him. I do it in bed, when 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.560 I got it, when I'm in a hotel, I type 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.840 in bed. She looked like it just looks like your office, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.399 I know, And I got this little coffee making you're 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.680 breaking a big story. There's a beautiful Uh. I appreciate 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.640 the pinon cone framed art on the wall over there. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.640 That's a nice touch for the Southwest. No, it is good. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.720 It's got a Southwest vibe in here. We're coming off 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.000 of a um, wonderful turkey hunt in the Helo Wilderness, 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.560 which we're gonna dive into the significance of that wilderness 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.440 and wilderness is in general. Um, first off, I got 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.720 to talked about a couple of things. Uh, someone Chester 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.040 how many tests my meat submissions came in? I heard 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.000 that just that I checked that morning the podcast came 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.320 out and we had Corey said we had test my 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.160 meat submissions. Is that true? Well, I don't get all 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.280 of them, and I actually haven't had a chance to 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.959 really go through all my emails yet, just because we're 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.920 on the road. Um, but on the trail, on the trail, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.320 this is the hotel creamer, I'm not I don't know. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.639 I probably have fifteen, but I don't think Corey sending 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.720 me all of them. Just and then you got, um, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.760 you got criticized by a Warner. What we're talking about 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.079 is our our metiat or laboratories, which we started out Jesse. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.920 You don't even know yet, buddy, I got a surprise 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:45.760 for you. When you see your lab coat. That would 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.760 be a good look for Chester. It is for some reason, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:55.000 I'm slightly afraid I went with the most appropriate Chester nickname. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.120 Oh you're gonna be very very happy. I wasn't gonna 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.360 tell you, but I can't keep bit of secret most appropriate. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.400 That's good, Chester the Tester me eat your laboratoryes patch 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.200 and chest of the tester embroidered on your life. Couldn't 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.799 I couldn't know. I'm not good. I couldn't keep the 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.640 secret an longer. That's killing me. So we have a 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.320 warm telling telling the machine we have Chester and what 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.600 we've been doing with it. It's a Warner Bratsler sheer 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.320 force machine. We do not have it in the hotel 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:31.520 with us. Basically, keep it real simple, it is it. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.640 It's like a scale and it's got a blade, and 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:40.240 the blade slices the meat or shears the meat, and 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.240 that scale will give you the pounds of force that 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.600 it takes two slice through that. And there's this whole 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.960 scale on tenderness, and we're getting a bunch of submissions 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.040 in for wild game testing out how tender your wild 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.720 game is. Some people are more interesting, how tough it 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:06.760 is personally? Yeah, yeah, well here's the deal, dirt. It's 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:14.680 a little tricky. So yeah, I'm gonna get there in 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.360 one second. Like you bide into your buddy comes home 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:23.800 and he's like, man, that elk I shot was tough. Hell, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.599 let's role play. You tell me, Um, you do it 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.880 to me, Steve, I shot at elk in New Mexico 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:36.120 in the wilderness, and I got that thing back, and man, 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:42.560 was it tough. Sit. It's not like that elk that 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.520 I shot up in Montana. You want to see tough, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.919 you should taste some of my aw dad. Oh shit, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.799 If you want to see tough, man, you should test 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.640 that twenty year old bear I shot. Well, you know what, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.240 let's send it to me either laboratories and find out 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.960 who's is actually tough. Te my meat? What is it 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:10.680 you send it to send it to? No, Okay, let's 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.160 keep the role play going. I'm gonna I'm gonna retort. Yeah, well, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:20.080 ship Chester, let's send it. Let's submit our proposal at 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.320 meat eater at the meat eater dot com with the 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.880 subject line all caps test my meat. I bet you 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.719 mine is going to be tougher than yours, and Chester 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.840 the tester will review your submission and decide if you 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.720 should submit your sample or not. Yep, and then we're 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.240 gonna give a prize to the toughest game meat that 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.880 we can get our hands on. It's gonna be a 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.400 heck of a good time. Hopefully I don't. There's I'm 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.960 already getting look at work on that one on the plane. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.159 Can you think of a better retort? It's gonna be 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.120 a heck of a good time. There's uh, you should 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.039 put that on his lap coat. There's already it's long, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.080 so down towards the bottom. I could say it's gonna 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:09.799 be a heck. There's already people writing in like saying 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.000 like we better do this right because there's so many variables. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.919 Oh yeah, Jess has already been accused in the in 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.840 keeping with the times, he's already been accused of spreading misinformation. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.320 But this isn't about COVID. This is about meat testing. Yeah, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.240 I mean, we tested a peep. How serious can it 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.479 really be? But I can guarantee you guys, I'm gonna 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.160 do my absolute best to make sure everything is as 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.120 accurate as possible. There's gonna be some bribery sent your 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.279 way there, chet, So what here's what they do. Here's 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.280 the conundrum, dirt. Then we'll move on just because just 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.320 keep you posting. This is a very expensive machine. Okay, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.640 So we can't just do it once in dropics. That 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.080 would be fiscally irresponsible. So we need to do it 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.920 a whole bunch to justify having bought this damn thing 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.120 very expensive. Um, here's the thing. Here's where you out 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:05.400 of conundrum. If you're doing it like for real. Um, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.280 Like you're like breeding cattle and trying to find like 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:14.000 what cow, what attributes whatever, diet genetics, whatever yields the 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:19.880 most tender blank t bone. You want great uniformity, So 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.000 they always cook the meat to the same temperature, Let 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.800 it cool overnight, cut the core, test the core, so 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.520 and doing the game meat thing. Do you stick to 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.360 that or do you do a thing where like, well, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.480 let's do it like how one would best prepare it. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.360 And then and then to tell people that because these 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.360 are two different interesting lines of inquiry. One is like, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.240 because this gives a numeric value to toughness. What's like 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:58.000 super ass tough chester five five is superasst I mean, yeah, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.480 five is tough. Unacceptable. Yeah, in industry terms, it's unacceptable. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.840 What's acceptable in industry terms? Um, I think around like 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:12.360 two point five? Like three. It's like, and I've seen 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.280 some bulls that are if five at the top, I've 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:22.680 seen some sixes. Okay, yeah, so you you you get it, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.720 and you test all these different game needs and be like, yes, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.680 cooked to like labs SPACs. It's this. But there's an 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.560 interesting line of inquiry where you let's say someone has 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.439 a the toughest bull in the world or buck in 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:44.319 the world. Okay, and you're like, let's suevied a steak 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:51.240 and then reverse syrit and tests that result versus putting 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:56.720 a cold, wet, half frozen steak on a five degree 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:04.679 grill and and then be like, right, like what strategies 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.120 does one? Like what what might be the outcome once 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.800 you have a tough ask bowl? Or we do this, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.440 you take the tough ask bowl. Let's say someone sends 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:20.000 you around off a really tough bowl. We'll test it 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:27.440 labs backs. Then we'd have like Kevin glaspie, cook it 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:33.200 a handful of ways and test those and see, follow me, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.160 that's a good idea. Yeah that man, that's the worst 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.680 case scenario, best case scenario, and in all these and 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.400 then tell them how you already got in trouble telling 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.679 the guy. Do you want to talk about the guy 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.840 that sent you a mean email? Real quick? Would you 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.000 compare a bear then to an elk or would it 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.080 be elk category? Here's what here's the beauty of the 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.520 thing is. You could then say, yeah, you could take 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.400 what do you gotta do, like, how do you you 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.120 cook it to? What? Acording to labs backs, Well, it 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.160 doesn't really matter. I mean, sure it does, but I 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.480 was cooking it medium rare, so I just did that 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.320 one last time. But I think all of them will 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.319 be cooked to what's medium rare temp typically on like 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:27.760 a steak. I'm sorry, medium rare or I think over there, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.040 I think I think what we'll do is like suvit 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.480 um to temp very similar size of meat and then 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.880 quick reverse serum so they'll all be very consistent. And 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:45.720 then you cut core samples. There's like a little mechanism 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.600 where you cut course samples out. You're supposed to cut 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.439 three cores. And here's the internet of thing we already 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:56.400 found out. Um, if you if it's rare in the 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.959 middle and you cut a core, you know, have a 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.160 core like imagine you have a cylinder. Let's say you 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.200 have a cylinder. Like let's just imagine it's your finger. Okay, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:10.520 your middle knuckle is pink, let's say, and the ends 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:17.200 are more brown where you sheer, you're getting different scores. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:23.800 Oh yeah, like that more cook shit is scoring to nose. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.360 So like taking a core sample out of that middle 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:35.160 parallel with the grain, not perpendicular, because then yeah, there 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.959 you're cutting cross obviously. But yeah, some guy wrote in 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.120 just I don't need to go into it, but he 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.439 was just saying, like, it's very difficult to do accurate 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.240 tests like this. Was he making a play to be 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.160 the person that was he making a play to be 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:58.160 Chester the Tester? No, he was just basically saying, like information. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:06.560 Someone wrote in, Um, this is interesting. He decided to google. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:13.120 He googled Chester the Tester, and I'm disappointed to find 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.720 in this will change over time. Disappointed. I'll disappoint to 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.680 find that when you google Chest of the Tester, you 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.520 do not find Chest of the tester. You find a 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:34.680 ceramic figuring of a rotund, pudgy little chef testing licking 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.240 a spoon that he has dipped into a vat called 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:45.600 Heavenly Chocolate. The figuring in like a little I got 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.400 to look it into it more. Chester is gonna we 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.480 need to get one of them son's bitches. Chester. Um, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.160 that's the logo Brandon Butler. Who. So, I'm gonna give 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.200 a Brandon Butler update to remind you guys who Brandon 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.920 Butler is one He's been on the podcast. Uh yeah, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.200 I need I have hunted turkeys for him. We would 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.600 call him very much a friend to the show. Sometime back, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.760 some friends of his were raising money for him because 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.280 he reported some poachers who then burned his cabin down. Whoa, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.520 the guy that burned his cabin down just went back 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:23.240 to prison on a five year stint. But not for 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.440 the arson Brandon. This is a This is a this 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.520 is a teaser because brand is gonna come back on 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.719 the show to tell this whole sort of is a 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.439 crazy story. It involves a five ft three pound guy 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:44.280 named Tiny Round. Now listen, I was gonna give you 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.960 I'm just gonna weet your appetites here for how if 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.360 you're gonna commit a crime, America is the country to 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:55.200 do it in, man America, Like, like, this is a 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.200 great place to be a criminal. They just don't do 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.360 anything to you here. So can we have murder in 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.680 this country? So none of this guy? This guy burns 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.240 down his place. How do you know that he's not 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.440 sleeping there? Burns down his place. He gets him on 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.160 trail cam burning it down, and he's not even in 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.520 jail for burning it down. Tiny's the arsonist or that 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.440 he'll he'll tell the whole story. I just like that 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:24.720 little detail. So he also broke into this other dude's cabin, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.920 was living in the cabin, left his pro left his 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.560 parole papers in the cabin after stealing a four wheeler 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.720 and a generator. Okay, pleads guilty of to that, and 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.960 that constitutes a Class C felon. But he's already fell anyway. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.320 But that constitutes a Class C felon. Burning Brandon's entire 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.520 house down, on the other hand, is a Class D felony. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.280 Have they convicted him on both? He get to serve 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:02.040 those things. Concurrently, great country to commit crimes in, Like, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.120 if you're gonna go do something bad, do too bad 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:10.160 things because you just do it concurrently. Anyways, it's ridiculous. Yeah, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.240 I'm gonna read like a pamphlet. You know, we're gonna 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.360 do that book. Um, hunters making the cover for the book. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.880 The book is called right if we talked about four? 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.640 But he's making the cover for the book. We're starting 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.360 with the cover. It's the books called how could I 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.880 Be Cold but my balls are balls are still sweaty? 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.160 How could I be cold but my balls are still sweaty? 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.440 The Untold Truth about Sleeping Bags? And this is gonna 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.680 be how could I be cold when my balls are sweaty? 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.360 Truth about Sleeping Bags? But I think I should write 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.920 a pamphlet like that, says UM. So you'd like to 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:49.840 commit some crimes, it would be tips for criminals. Apparently 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.720 if you do two really bad things, it doesn't matter 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.440 because you only get to go to jail for one 0:15:54.440 --> 0:16:00.760 of them. Oh my god, man, Um, he's gonna come 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.440 in and tell this is this story is great. Oh, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.280 just to titillate you a little more. Um. They also 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:14.040 burned down a ranger station like a Forest Service ranger station. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.400 Burned down a Forest Service ranger station. Same individual. They 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.960 felt like they were being persecuted when they started looking 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.960 into their poaching habitat and the just terrible people. And 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.080 they didn't He didn't get in trouble for that. You know, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.120 he's in five years. If you back, I'll burning more 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.360 ship down. Gosh, I would think, like destroying federal property, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.280 great country to commit crimes and it would be a 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.160 bigger deal. What a jerk. Well, you know, we're cleaning 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:36.840 that turkey the other day and I had blood. I 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.360 was plucking a turkey. I had blood in my hands 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.600 and the feathers kept sticking in my hands. Yeah, you 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.040 got me thinking about getting tired and feathered. Oh it 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.320 would be a good let's bring that ship back. But 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.160 I think cutting appendages and shipped off should come back. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.200 We talked about this in the car. For theft. Yeah, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.600 like for burning ship down, you should lose your your 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.720 thumb that you strike that you roll the lighter with, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.840 or maybe get a burn. Yeah, caught your thumbofs. You 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:07.560 can't work a big light anymore. Burn your other figure tips. Uh. Yeah, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.640 I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of hard on. I'm 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.000 hard on. Uh, you know, like that kind of like 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.000 potentially fate like burning people's houses. Now it feels bad, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.920 just old fashioned with on every everyone. Everyone should see 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.920 the same. Everyone should see that the same way you do. Well, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.840 it's it's personal to me too, because Um, he had 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.720 so many cool like hunting and fishing artifacts and stuff 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.000 in there that he lost, like really cool stuff in there. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.160 He built the place, but he built a place by hand. Man. Um, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.760 he's coming on top about that. Guy rode into This 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.200 is interesting because I've I've noticed this a bunch, I 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:50.200 haven't thought about it much. He um recently discovered, Um, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.960 a raccoon latrine. Uh, I'm sure the group was gonna 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.640 think of a bunch of animals that use communal latrines. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:05.000 Uh nil No, nil. Guy used communal latrines that are 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:10.240 as big as a queen'size bed and actually forms a hill. Yep, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.760 what's that? Llamas? Yeah, but I was gonna stick to 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:19.400 hunting animals. Um, Lamas do a communal latrine. Swamp bread, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.760 let's do a communal latrine, Otters do a communal latrine, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.639 and raccoons do a communal latrine. Um, what else is 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.960 the communal do you see when you're walking through the woods? 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.440 You'll find a pile of growl ship. M do you 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.200 ever see that? I'd like to have a growlse expert 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.840 answer me that. I don't know if it's a latrine, 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.879 but it's like that thing set there for a while. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.959 I often thought that it was in a bad snow storm. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.960 He was sitting there under the snow. Yeah, what do 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.679 you think, Carl? Well, the other place you'll see that 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.680 oftentimes is on the back side of a drumming log 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.200 where a male likes to hang out in the spring, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.359 strutting his stuff and you know, beating his wings to 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.600 attract a female. They'll pile up a retty significant little 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.439 heap of grouse droppings. Yeah, I've seen it where I 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.000 felt like, I said, because are you ever going out? Um? 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.159 We used to hunt grouse a lot in Michigan. If 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.680 you had a bad snowstorm and you'd go grouse hunting, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.119 you'd bust grouse where there's no tracks. Yeah, they just 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.320 come busting right out of the snow. Was there when 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.280 it snowed and stayed under the snow. You have out 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.240 of the snow and there's no thing coming in, it's 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.840 just exiting. Yeah, you'll have a hole and then you'll 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.240 have the spot where both wings beat down on the 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.840 side of the snow rocketing out of the snow pile. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.920 So it's kind of tube with a yeah, but I've 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.160 seen him, like you're saying, with dozens of dozens of pellets, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.600 well you get like a pile behind a drumming log 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.080 and a quick cool aside. When it comes to trying 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.240 to capture grouse like for research purposes, one of the 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.159 most effective ways to get him is at those drumming 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.640 logs because they're very territorial. This has a nice link 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.800 to talk in turkeys as well, um, because there we're 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.639 going to kind of I know that there's nothing that 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.720 a male grouse hates more than seeing another male grouse 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.520 somewhere near his drumming spot. And so the way you 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.679 capture him is throw a little mirror up in the 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.879 back of a trap where a grouse on the drumming 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.760 log will see his own reflection, and by and large 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.760 you're gonna have that that male grouse attack his reflection 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.160 in the back of that trail off the drumming log. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.320 We were out hunting bears of clay one time and 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.840 we made a mistake of camping at a drumming log 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.439 and that thing all night long really is walking around 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:42.280 like through the sleeping bags. I'm that kidney man. I 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:43.919 don't know if I've ever heard one drumming at night. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.840 It was going crazy. Then you guys there and remember 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:52.240 that we were on that. Yeah, so he was going 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.800 on like a little generator. When I was, before I 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.679 was old enough the bowl hunt, I was sitting in 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.359 my brother's tree stand around. My dad would set multiple 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.600 tree stands up so you can sit. I'll send with 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.520 my brother. Before I was on the bow hunting. He's 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.080 bow hunting and I'm hearing and I said to him 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.360 at one point, I always mad, I said, that guy 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:16.560 can't get that lawnmore started. So you know, we've we've 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.040 been talking a little bit about u the sort of 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.280 emerging turkey hunting opportunity up in the Upper Peninsula, back 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.960 in our native state of Michigan. And this past spring 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.840 um I spent a bunch of times stomping around up 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.800 there looking for looking for gobblers. And one of the 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.640 super cool things about turkey hunting up there is at 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.880 first light, right when it's like time to start hearing 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.480 birds gobbling on the roost the rough grouse are going 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.960 berserk as well, so you're they're listening for gobbles in 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.199 the distance, and meanwhile you've got drumming grouse all around you. 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.520 The geese are starting to head back north. So it's 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.520 just like this embodiment of spring reawakening. And this past 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.680 spring a seriously and this past spring I was hearing 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:06.159 so many drummers that it, you know, it was a 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.000 great indication for what the fall hunting season was going 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.480 to look like. And that's one of the ways, of course, 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.399 that they evaluate grouse numbers on the landscapes to do 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:17.280 these spring drumming. But while Turkey hunting, you know, I 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.800 was already starting to text my buddies, like, come mid October, 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.119 we're gonna have some real good grouse hunting based on 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:24.679 what I'm hearing out here in the Turkey Woods, and 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.600 that that definitely turned out to be the case this 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.800 past fall. I read once that with roughed grouse, a 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:36.359 limiting factor can be the prevalence or absence of drumming logs. 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:42.840 That's an interesting because they're so fussy about the height 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:48.160 and then visibility around it. Yeah, and that you could 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:55.320 you could mechanically improve your grouse habitat by making appropriate 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.440 drumming logs. If you don't have them, I don't know 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.600 if you believe that or not. I'm so I will 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.160 face my skepticism by saying that I'm not a rough 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.119 grouse expert. But when I think about the things, you know, 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:11.399 sort of driving reproductive success, typically it's it's limiting factors 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.159 on the female side of the equation more than on 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.439 the male side. Um. Now that being said, one of 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.000 the things I love doing when I was a kid, 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.240 um up in leland Ock County, the northwest Lower Peninsula, 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.439 Michigan in the spring, when i'd be out morale mushroom 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.120 picking and just being in the woods, if i'd hear 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.719 drumming roughies, I'd try to sneak in and see if 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.840 I could see the mail. And so I've looked at 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:36.440 a lot of drumming logs just out of my own 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.960 curiosity as a as a kid growing up. And there 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:43.480 is a striking consistency in the characteristics of the places 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.720 that those males like to show off their stuff, you know, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.639 in terms of height, in terms of having good visibility 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:54.320 around them, and obviously you know, not unlike a gobbling turkey. 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.000 They're making a heck of a lot of noise to 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.439 try to show off for the females. And that's a 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:01.040 very dangerous thing in a landscape where you've ut example, 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.480 predators who will love nothing more than a plump rough 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.920 grouse to snack on in the spring. Um people, folks 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:14.359 at home on what we're talking about. Yeah, that was 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.399 that was actually a perfect replication, was it? Anyhow? This 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.560 guy raccoon raccoon defecation piles, So he was renovating an 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.960 old cab and and and discovered one. It was blown 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:30.399 away by the smelling sight of the communal to trine. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.600 It's got him googling later that night, which led him 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:38.959 to the CDC page on raccoon roundworm war. Family has 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.280 ever had any experience of raccoon roundworm? Seems to be 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.720 extremely rare occurrence in humans, yet extremely common in our 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.040 Midwest raccoon population. I haven't had, and I've never That's 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:52.800 one of those many things I just choosing out to 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.639 paying attention to. Like the list of diseases you can 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.359 get from stuff is so we're gonna talk about a 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.359 nerd disease in a a minute is so long that you 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:06.080 just after a while, it just you know it sounds 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.880 gross though you don't want that ship. But now, I've 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.280