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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming

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Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.

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Speaker 1: As we continue to uh host the show here and

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Speaker 1: review things that happened in season, we'll be we'll be

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Speaker 1: doing this off and on here throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: the next several episodes in several weeks. One thing that uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it as the season one along,

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Speaker 1: but we haven't necessarily crystallized it into a definitive list.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of guys on this Packers team, as

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Speaker 1: disappointing as a seven and nine record was, I think,

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Speaker 1: qualify as surprise players in terms of how they jumped

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Speaker 1: out made a contribute, and that maybe wasn't expected when

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Speaker 1: training camp started with the ninety man roster and then

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Speaker 1: we saw it get whittled down after that. Who were

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Speaker 1: some guys that that you think would make that list

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Speaker 1: of surprise players for the Packers in it would be

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Speaker 1: so easy just to start off with Justin mccravi, but

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Speaker 1: you and I have talked so much about him or

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Speaker 1: during the stretch in which he started eight games in

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Speaker 1: an amazing story to come from where he came from.

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Speaker 1: We heard the story New Year's Eve. He's sitting there,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a bellman at a resort down in Orlando,

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Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, he's starting, you know,

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Speaker 1: meaningful football games for the Green Bay Packers. He'll have

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Speaker 1: a chance to compete for a starting job next year.

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Speaker 1: But then you look at a guy like Lucas Patrick,

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Speaker 1: and that's the guy I want to start with on

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Speaker 1: my accord um. And it comes back to this, Mike.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy that had one tryout opportunity coming

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Speaker 1: out of Duke one. It was almost a joke, the

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Speaker 1: fact that he sat there knowing he probably wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: get drafted. But then the phone doesn't ring after the draft.

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Speaker 1: And remember him telling me near the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: just said, well, my football career is over. The next

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Speaker 1: day he gets a try out opportunity with the Packers.

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Speaker 1: But you and I both know we see that rookie

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Speaker 1: five trial players they might sign to three. Well that year,

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Speaker 1: going to go there. He knew Kenny Clark was the

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Speaker 1: big rookie. He's gonna go up against him and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna block him to the best of his ability. He

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Speaker 1: didn't get the contract, but two weeks later the Packers

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Speaker 1: The guy played his whole first first training camp with

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Speaker 1: practice squad for the year, came back this year against

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Speaker 1: really really long odds to make the roster, but thanks

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Speaker 1: to some injuries and some opportunity, he ends up accomplishing that.

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Speaker 1: And then Lucas Patrick ends up starting I think two

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Speaker 1: even if you get a contract, that still means you're

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Speaker 1: facing a really uphill battle to get on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and Lucas Patrick managed to do it. Yeah, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to him. He's very well spoken, he's an intelligent guy,

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Speaker 1: a duke education. He could he could do go do

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Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to do. But history teacher. Yeah, the lure,

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Speaker 1: the lure of this game, and and and it's not

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Speaker 1: just the money. Yes, you can make more money playing

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Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick is one of these guys that it's you know,

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Speaker 1: legitimate candidate to make the fifty three man roster again

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Speaker 1: next year. But there is also going to be potentially

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Speaker 1: all kinds of competition there. But now Lucas Patrick has

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Speaker 1: to bet against him really, And Mike, think about it,

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Speaker 1: you've covered this team for ten years now with with

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Speaker 1: Now a completely different story than a guy like Lucas Patrick,

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Speaker 1: But this kid held his own in in a tough,

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Speaker 1: not saying the Packers are just gonna hand Justin Vogel

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't, Mike. And again, you go back to that

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Speaker 1: And also throw in one more thing, like, you're right, accolades,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Vogel was selected as a Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: So and and you know, this as well as I do.

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Speaker 1: That's not a big fan balloting thing. I mean, people

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Speaker 1: With that, we're going to toss it to a breakback

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Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford sitting here, Wes hod Kuwitz

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Speaker 1: is perched all the way over there, um West. Last

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Speaker 1: amidst all the news last week with Ted Thompson and

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Speaker 1: Some interesting thoughts always come out of the locker room

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Speaker 1: So a guy that I really was looking to speak

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Speaker 1: I think this next offseason. Well. And it's interesting too

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Speaker 1: he would have gotten a chance this year. And certainly,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to put the bar that high

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Speaker 1: him to keep that NFL dream you don't true and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely with that. Uh, that's a wrap on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our

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Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks

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